Racism

[are fkng dead]

Just sitting here, thinking about stuff in general....and racism is definitly one of the things I hate most in the world today. I still don't understand fully how, in this era and stage in human development, people can still hate a specific group of people, race, sex, religion, colour, etc...

Thoughts? Opinions?

[Andy]

Is there racism in Canada?

[ArTkY_]

Racism is one of the worst things in the world today.. or ever.

[are fkng dead]

Is there racism in Canada?
I don't know if this is sarcasm or not...

But, I guess as opposed to the United States, you don't see it in the mainstream as much (ie, comedians, racist groups, christian evengelists, etc) but I do see it every single day in school. I hear kids my age saying "n.igger", "paki", "jew" (in a 'you fucking jew idiot" kind of way, and stuff like that.

[still]

i'm still waiting for someone to reply and say ******.

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[Andy]

I don't know if this is sarcasm or not...
If ever in doubt, assume what Im saying is sarcastic.

[Love As Arson]

Racism is just another facet of the tendency humans have to stick with people that look like them, share their values and beliefs, and be averse to those who do not. It's really not all that unbelieveable, actually. In high school kids do it daily. You identify with a group, stick with them, you don't really hang with others, and you may even make fun of them for belonging to a different group. It's simply human nature. Racism just happens to be an extreme of that facet of our nature.

[are fkng dead]

Racism is just another facet of the tendency humans have to stick with people that look like them, share their values and beliefs, and be averse to those who do not. It's really not all that unbelieveable, actually. In high school kids do it daily. You identify with a group, stick with them, you don't really hang with others, and you may even make fun of them for belonging to a different group. It's simply human nature. Racism just happens to be an extreme of that facet of our nature.
This is very true. You see it on the smaller scales in high schools, too everyday.

But, theres people out there who feel no prejudice towards any group of people out there. I like to feel that I think this way 100%.

[Kif]

Something I really hate is hate crimes (Irony?)

Like I forgot the story, but basically these 4 white girls wanted to use the basketball court, and there were a gang of black girls there. They said fine, and left. Then they came back and kicked the shit out of the girls, and it wasn't a hate crime. If it was opposite positions, I bet it would've been classed as a hate crime

[Love As Arson]

No one is free from prejudice. It's foolish to believe that you are.

[are fkng dead]

Something I really hate is hate crimes (Irony?)

Like I forgot the story, but basically these 4 white girls wanted to use the basketball court, and there were a gang of black girls there. They said fine, and left. Then they came back and kicked the shit out of the girls, and it wasn't a hate crime. If it was opposite positions, I bet it would've been classed as a hate crime
Yeah, thats pretty shitty.

I live in a small town, which up until maybe 5 years ago was mostly white people. Then new developments were getting built, and kids from cities were coming in. So, there became a higher black/spanish/ethnic in general population here. So, one day at school a bunch of black kids were pissed at some dude, so he said (in front of the whole school) "We don't need any fuckin n.iggers in this school" and got the shit kicked out of him. Good.

No one is free from prejudice. It's foolish to believe that you are.
Explain.

[YoungNastyMan]

Why is it ok to call people white trash/trailer trash in America?

[Jra1]

although i don't agree with racism, it won't go away - ever

the only thing i get really annoyed about is how 1-sided racism is...

[Anton Djamoos]

How is racism such a difficult concept to fathom when people hate each other on this message board so easily based on their musical tastes?

[Love As Arson]

Yeah, thats pretty shitty.

I live in a small town, which up until maybe 5 years ago was mostly white people. Then new developments were getting built, and kids from cities were coming in. So, there became a higher black/spanish/ethnic in general population here. So, one day at school a bunch of black kids were pissed at some dude, so he said (in front of the whole school) "We don't need any fuckin n.iggers in this school" and got the shit kicked out of him. Good.


Explain.
There is nothing to explain. Everyone in this world has prejudices. No one is free of them. It is simply a matter of the degree and the object of the prejudice.

[are fkng dead]

There is nothing to explain. Everyone in this world has prejudices. No one is free of them. It is simply a matter of the degree and the object of the prejudice.
I don't agree with that. I think its only close minded individuals who have that mindset.

[Jra1]

prejudice is a basic human emoiton imo...
racism isn't going to go away just because it's bad - it'll just be supressed

[are fkng dead]

Personally, I hold no prejudice against anyone. I think that the differences people have is a beautiful thing that should be shared, instead of feared.

[Jra1]

ok, you have a choice between dating a pretty girl or a pretty girl with no legs... which are you going to go for?
i know the answer to that already, and it's prejudist

[Clarett'sGreyGoose]

because the a large amount of the people in the United States who live in trailers are greasy, unhygenical people with body odor, and therefore smell....like trash.


At least that's how the trailer parks around here go....I don't know about other places.

[Love As Arson]

I don't agree with that. I think its only close minded individuals who have that mindset.
It's not closemindedness. It's just human nature. We are prejudice. It could be something as small having a prejudice against a certain type of food, or it could something as big as having a prejudice towards an entire group of people, but it's still a prejudice you hold, and we all have this within us.

[still]

meh. people will always be racist. like it or not. i'm not at all, last year my 3 best friends were all minorities. i don't know what to say..racism will always exist..so it's pretty pointless.

[Jra1]

also, businesses get paid for a certain percantage of their workforce being ethnic or disabled (atleast they do here in the UK..) why isnt that called prejudice against non-ethnics?

and come to think of it, since when was 'white' not an ethnicity anyway?

i'm not really bothered by this in principal, im just bothered that people ignore the other side of the racism coin

[Love As Arson]

meh. people will always be racist. like it or not. i'm not at all, last year my 3 best friends were all minorities. i don't know what to say..racism will always exist..so it's pretty pointless.
I love it when people say, "I'm not racist, I have black friends".

[still]

I love it when people say, "I'm not racist, I have black friends".

i love it when people misquote me.

[dretti]

"i'm not racist, i own a color tv"

I can't really say that I'm that racist, but Dom's right, there will always be that seperation somewhere.

[richter915]

also, businesses get paid for a certain percantage of their workforce being ethnic or disabled (atleast they do here in the UK..) why isnt that called prejudice against non-ethnics?

and come to think of it, since when was 'white' not an ethnicity anyway?

i'm not really bothered by this in principal, im just bothered that people ignore the other side of the racism coinya it's called Affirmative Action or Equal opportunity. I dunno if keeps get paid more, but colleges are required to fulfill a certain quota for all minority groups. The reason this is not prejudice/racism is because in the US, we have had many laws, yes laws, passed which were solely meant to keep minorities (mainly blacks) from getting into colleges, voting, getting good jobs, etc. These were known as Jim Crow Laws. Now society is trying to make up for that I guess. It's not just minorities though, women fall under this too I think.

White is very much an ethnicity. Look at most any form you fill out, there IS a space for White/Caucasian. If you wanna argue, I'll tell you that I've seen maybe two forms (out of the dozens I've filled out) that have said "Indian Subcontinent" as an ethnic group.

[are fkng dead]

ya it's called Affirmative Action or Equal opportunity. I dunno if keeps get paid more, but colleges are required to fulfill a certain quota for all minority groups. The reason this is not prejudice/racism is because in the US, we have had many laws, yes laws, passed which were solely meant to keep minorities (mainly blacks) from getting into colleges, voting, getting good jobs, etc. These were known as Jim Crow Laws. Now society is trying to make up for that I guess. It's not just minorities though, women fall under this too I think.

White is very much an ethnicity. Look at most any form you fill out, there IS a space for White/Caucasian. If you wanna argue, I'll tell you that I've seen maybe two forms (out of the dozens I've filled out) that have said "Indian Subcontinent" as an ethnic group.
One time my teacher told me only 25% of the world is white/caucasian. I dont know if she was being real, or....a lieing bitch.

[AShannon04]

I agree. racism sucks

[richter915]

One time my teacher told me only 25% of the world is white/caucasian. I dont know if she was being real, or....a lieing bitch.
I heard that like...by 2050...white/caucasian will be the minority in the US.

One thing I do like...is that since the 50s or so...the number of mixed/interracial couples has really gone up and I think that that's the way society should go. Stay true to your roots but realize that when ur in the US...you're an American and part of being American is taking up some of it's culture...not sitting around all the time acting like a typical :: insert minority group::. And this would work for most any "western" nation where people immigrate to.

[Jra1]

White is very much an ethnicity. Look at most any form you fill out, there IS a space for White/Caucasian. If you wanna argue, I'll tell you that I've seen maybe two forms (out of the dozens I've filled out) that have said "Indian Subcontinent" as an ethnic group.

what i was pointing out is the use of the word 'ethnic' when referring to people who aren't white when commenting about racism... and how it's left out when talking about racism towards whites

England doesn't have those Jim Crow laws as far as i'm aware yet preference is still given to minorities even when qualifications aren't as good...
equal oppurtunities would mean giving preference to those with the best qualifications regardless of ethnicity or sex or disability... but the meaning has been distorted by political correctness

[richter915]

what i was pointing out is the use of the word 'ethnic' when referring to people who aren't white when commenting about racism... and how it's left out when talking about racism towards whites

England doesn't have those Jim Crow laws as far as i'm aware yet preference is still given to minorities even when qualifications aren't as good...
equal oppurtunities would mean giving preference to those with the best qualifications regardless of ethnicity or sex or disability... but the meaning has been distorted by political correctness
that's right and there have been cases of reverse racism that have gone all the way to the Supreme Court. Didn't Britain used to have slavery? If so, racism definitely existed on a large scale in your history and now your society is trying to make up for those crimes. Also, look at the admissions boards or hiring committees of schools and firms. It will mainly be white, and it's sad but chances are they'll hire a white guy before they do a minority. You recognize racism and this is where it happens. Because this began happening so much, the gov't is trying to help the disenfranchised. But hopefully as time moves on society won't need these sorta programs.

The word Ethnic just refers to where you "come" from...what group of people you'd be regarded as.

[are fkng dead]

I heard that like...by 2050...white/caucasian will be the minority in the US.

One thing I do like...is that since the 50s or so...the number of mixed/interracial couples has really gone up and I think that that's the way society should go. Stay true to your roots but realize that when ur in the US...you're an American and part of being American is taking up some of it's culture...not sitting around all the time acting like a typical :: insert minority group::. And this would work for most any "western" nation where people immigrate to.
Do you actually believe that when a person immigrates to the Uinted States they shouldn't celebrate their own customs? No wonder the US is in the shape its in. In Canada, our government and Canadian culture would rather you be who you are, than form to fit being Canadian. You're a dick for saying that. Plus, the US belongs to the natives. So, why don't you go and take up the customs of real Americans?

And what is "American Culture" exactly?

[richter915]

Do you actually believe that when a person immigrates to the Uinted States they shouldn't celebrate their own customs? No wonder the US is in the shape its in. In Canada, our government and Canadian culture would rather you be who you are, than form to fit being Canadian. You're a dick for saying that. Plus, the US belongs to the natives. So, why don't you go and take up the customs of real Americans?

And what is "American Culture" exactly?
no dude you're not understanding what I'm saying. You obviously didn't read where I said "stay true to your roots"...I think it's necessary to maintain the traditions and practices of your own culture. But also think it's important to assimilate because this is where you're gonna be the rest of your life. If you really are only here for the money, that won't be good in the long run. Like my dad, we know he has shit loads of money...but he also hates american/western society so he doesn't know how to spend it. I really think you misread what I was saying buddy. And you're right, the genocide of the natives was horrible...I don't think it was right in the least bit...it was wrong and I hate knowing that the history of this nation involves so much violence and bloodshed.

By "american" I was referring to the "western" lifestyle...a life where faith doesn't dominate everything...things are more "liberal/progressive"...independence among children is vital...the concept of chivalry, filail (sp?) piety is dead...thinks like that. It's not the best in my opinion.

[are fkng dead]

Then if you think that you can't possible believe in total freedom. That isnt being free at all if you say people are expected to be something.

[richter915]

Then if you think that you can't possible believe in total freedom. That isnt being free at all if you say people are expected to be something.
wait...what? I don't get what ur saying. I'm saying that assimilation is important in helping stop things like racism...I really don't understand what ur saying.

[are fkng dead]

wait...what? I don't get what ur saying. I'm saying that assimilation is important in helping stop things like racism...I really don't understand what ur saying.
Forming to the systems of another place obviously would get totally rid of racism, in a bad way. Why not share our differences and celebrate our similiarities instead of saying "Ok, you live in the US now, you shouldnt be wearing your Turban, ohhhh and stop worshiping you're polytheistic religion, because in America we're one nation under god"?

Does it really make a difference to you personally if someone comes from, say India to the US and acts as if they're still in India? What does it matter? We're all humans.

[richter915]

Forming to the systems of another place obviously would get totally rid of racism, in a bad way. Why not share our differences and celebrate our similiarities instead of saying "Ok, you live in the US now, you shouldnt be wearing your Turban, ohhhh and stop worshiping you're polytheistic religion, because in America we're one nation under god"?

Does it really make a difference to you personally if someone comes from, say India to the US and acts as if they're still in India? What does it matter? We're all humans.
ok you're obviously think I'm like one of those typical americans who loves gun-toting nascar racing Jesus. I'm not that at all...I HATE those kinda people who say "you're in America, fuckin speak English" (which is a complete hypocricy since that language was imported)...anyway...I will repeat cause you obviously didn't hear me the first two times...Maintaining your roots is a necessity...that means practicing your faith, wearing ur traditional clothes, eating ur traditional foods...all that...but what I'm saying is that like...you can also do the stuff practiced in America before you came...for example...dating in my culture is like...sin...my parents completely forbid it but I think it's fine and is much better than our way of doing shit. But at the same time, I want to date a girl who I know my parents will approve of because in my native culture...making ur parents proud and happy is above your own happiness. So do you see how I'm combining elements from both cultures? You should never forget where you're from...hopefully u get what I mean now.

[richter915]

His brain is too small.
his penis is too small.

[are fkng dead]

And his ant testicles are 10 sizes too small.
I'm glad you two could take making legitimate, intelligent comments and then reducing yourselves to that. Bravo!

[richter915]

I'm glad you two could take making legitimate, intelligent comments and then reducing yourselves to that. Bravo!
you weren't understanding the things we made clear several times. I posted what I had to say...reply to that.

[are fkng dead]

Too bad you're an incompetent stooge.
Oh shit. I think we just solved the race war. Thanks.

[are fkng dead]

Too bad we're both (most likely) white.
Awesome assumption.

[Love As Arson]

Why don't you go back to page three, and reply to Richter's argument.

[are fkng dead]

I agree with what he is saying, but not fully. I don't believe that it is necessary or something you HAVE to do if you were to immigrate to the west. I would have to guess that if someone from India, for example again, was to move here and start acting "American" it wouldn't be because they WANT to, it would probably be because they feel they have to or they won't be accepted, which again can bring us back to your argument that "no one has prejudice" because you could easily say that this Indian man has a prejudice of what Americans will think of him. But, really in the end, you can't deny that there are people out there who hold no prejudice to people. I myself am very interested in other cultures, beliefs, and socities, so maybe thats why I think the way I do.

[are fkng dead]

You live in Canada.
I live in the GTA which is 51% non-white. Canada prides itself on being multi-cultural, and is known to most (unignorant) people around the world as an multi-cultural society.

[are fkng dead]

GTA?

I want to live in Grand Theft Auto. Which version?
Excuse me...

I live in the Greater Toronto Area.

[Love As Arson]

I agree with what he is saying, but not fully. I don't believe that it is necessary or something you HAVE to do if you were to immigrate to the west. I would have to guess that if someone from India, for example again, was to move here and start acting "American" it wouldn't be because they WANT to, it would probably be because they feel they have to or they won't be accepted, which again can bring us back to your argument that "no one has prejudice" because you could easily say that this Indian man has a prejudice of what Americans will think of him. But, really in the end, you can't deny that there are people out there who hold no prejudice to people. I myself am very interested in other cultures, beliefs, and socities, so maybe thats why I think the way I do.
There isn't a single person in this world that has no prejudice whatsoever.

[Alex Djaferis]

There isn't a single person in this world that has no prejudice whatsoever.

i surprisingly agree with that.

[SonEric84]

GTA?

I want to live in Grand Theft Auto. Which version?


hahaha I knew that was coming.


and personally I agree with Dom, everyone has their own prejudice.

[are fkng dead]

There isn't a single person in this world that has no prejudice whatsoever.
Explain that. I seriously don't understand that, unless you're referring to something other than race, religion, creed, sex, sexual orientation, etc.

Because personally, I couldn't give a fuck what someone is in regards to those.

[Alex Djaferis]

Explain that. I seriously don't understand that, unless you're referring to something other than race, religion, creed, sex, sexual orientation, etc.

Because personally, I couldn't give a fuck what someone is in regards to those.

but those are extreme cases of prejudice. it doesnt always have to be in its upmost outright sense...

[Love As Arson]

Explain that. I seriously don't understand that, unless you're referring to something other than race, religion, creed, sex, sexual orientation, etc.

Because personally, I couldn't give a fuck what someone is in regards to those.
No one is without prejudice. For example, if there was a food of some sort that looked disgusting, but you never tasted it, and based simply on it's outside appearance you decide not to eat it. That is prejudice.

[are fkng dead]

When I originally started this post, it was in regards to racism. Not in regards to small, petty prejudices. I fully agree that people judge things (food, movies, music) before they see them, but that isn't a totally bad thing. I'm not even sure if thats what you're referring to. But, for the sake of arguement, if thats what you mean, I don't see anything wrong with thinking "Oh, that band has a screaming in it...I won't even bother" because that's more personal opinion than anything.

But I do believe that there are people in the world who hold no racial prejudices against anyone.

No one is without prejudice. For example, if there was a food of some sort that looked disgusting, but you never tasted it, and based simply on it's outside appearance you decide not to eat it. That is prejudice.
It's not a negative prejudice. It doesn't lead to crime, wars, hate...etc...

[are fkng dead]

That's just close mindedness and prejudice.

Everyone has a prejudice. Believe it or not.
I can accept stupid little prejudices like that exist, but it's not a big deal. What IS a big deal is hating a group of people bases on what I listed above. There's nothing wrong with looking at some type of food and thinking "Ugh, that looks like shit. No thank you." There's going to be no genocide as a result of that.

[Love As Arson]

When I originally started this post, it was in regards to racism. Not in regards to small, petty prejudices. I fully agree that people judge things (food, movies, music) before they see them, but that isn't a totally bad thing. I'm not even sure if thats what you're referring to. But, for the sake of arguement, if thats what you mean, I don't see anything wrong with thinking "Oh, that band has a screaming in it...I won't even bother" because that's more personal opinion than anything.

But I do believe that there are people in the world who hold no racial prejudices against anyone.


It's not a negative prejudice. It doesn't lead to crime, wars, hate...etc...
If you saw a black guy wearing Ecko or Fubu, and someone asked you, "Hey, what kind of music do you thing he listens to", what would you say?

[are fkng dead]

If you saw a black guy wearing Ecko or Fubu, and someone asked you, "Hey, what kind of music do you thing he listens to", what would you say?
The first thing to enter my mind, would obviously be rap, or hip-hop, but I wouldn't dwell on it and set it in stone. I know kids at my school who wear those brands of clothing, and listen to bands like The Used. That is, however a good point. But generally when people wear brands like that they WANT you to look at them and say "OK, that guy listens to 50 Cent."

[Love As Arson]

The first thing to enter my mind, would obviously be rap, or hip-hop, but I wouldn't dwell on it and set it in stone. I know kids at my school who wear those brands of clothing, and listen to bands like The Used. That is, however a good point. But generally when people wear brands like that they WANT you to look at them and say "OK, that guy listens to 50 Cent."
That's prejudice.

[are fkng dead]

Shitty.


Those little prejudices are what lead to full fleged racism.

You totally missed his analogy. He wasn't talking about food, he was using it as an analogy.

You proved my point of how stupid you are.
It was a terrible analogy then. Because I started this post to be about racism on the large scale. You can't compare hating oriental people to hating cheese.

That's prejudice.
It's not an unwanted prejudice. Black people don't walk around just hoping someone is looking at them saying "Oh I bet that guy has a gun on him, and is about to rob a bank."

Wouldn't you agree that there are two types of prejudice then? Wanted by the individual being judged, and unwanted by the individual being judged?

[are fkng dead]

You don't get the point. You were talking about people having no prejudices. How is prejudices large scale racism? It isn't. And yes, you can. If it's an analogy.

No one wants to have close minded people make up stories about them in their head.
You can't if its a terible analogy.

Anyway, I didn't say prejudice is large scale racism, I'm saying that racism is large scale prejudice.

Obviously we all have different ideas of how people see other people. It's a shame that neither of you have any hope.

[Love As Arson]

It was a terrible analogy then. Because I started this post to be about racism on the large scale. You can't compare hating oriental people to hating cheese.


It's not an unwanted prejudice. Black people don't walk around just hoping someone is looking at them saying "Oh I bet that guy has a gun on him, and is about to rob a bank."

Wouldn't you agree that there are two types of prejudice then? Wanted by the individual being judged, and unwanted by the individual being judged?
For one, a guy may wear Ecko simply because he likes the style, not because he is making a statement about his musical taste, and whether or not there is one or two types of prejudice is irrelevant, as it is still prejudice. You hold a prejudice against black people, that is, that you think that if they wear a certain brand of clothing, they listen to a certain type of music.

[are fkng dead]

For one, a guy may wear Ecko simply because he likes the style, not because he is making a statement about his musical taste, and whether or not there is one or two types of prejudice is irrelevant, as it is still prejudice. You hold a prejudice against black people, that is, that you think that if they wear a certain brand of clothing, they listen to a certain type of music.
But clothing like that is linked directly to that type of music. If you see someone wearing a swastika, you're going to know "Hmmm, must be a Nazi."

[are fkng dead]

Hahahahahahahah.

You're the biggest moron ever.
That's one person's opinon.

Prejudice, even?

[are fkng dead]

So if I wear camo pants, I'm automatically a hardcore kid? If I wear bondage pants, I must be a goth or industrial kid, right? Oh, and if I wear baggy clothes then I must love rap.

Clothing doesn't repressent music.
Clothing represents a lifestyle, and each and every lifestyle has it's own type of music associated with it.

So if I wear camo pants, I'm automatically a hardcore kid? If I wear bondage pants, I must be a goth or industrial kid, right? Oh, and if I wear baggy clothes then I must love rap.

Clothing doesn't repressent music.


One?

More like 230957356.
I'm really glad you balance out intelligent, worthy comments with inane, childish ones.

[marrost]

Clothing represents a lifestyle, and each and every lifestyle has it's own type of music associated with it.That doesn't mean that they have to coexist with one another. I wouldn't say that I dress to the music that I listen to.

[Love As Arson]

But clothing like that is linked directly to that type of music. If you see someone wearing a swastika, you're going to know "Hmmm, must be a Nazi."You link it to that based on your own prejudice. And yes, I would think that person was a Nazi, but I accept that prejudice, and it may very well turn out that I was wrong, that the person was using it as a the sign for good luck.

[are fkng dead]

Well, I disagree with you, but accept that you have your own opinions on the subject different from mine. If I thought either if you were idiots for thinking that way, I'd be a hypocrite. That doesn't make me an idiot, dumbass, or an "assclown".

[are fkng dead]

Yes it does.
Awesome, thanks. Very mature way of handling a situation. I'll look forward to seeing you run a primitive Baptist church in the near future.