Fall Out Boy - Folie à Deux

[Tony Pascarella]

Fall Out Boy - Folie à Deux
Record Label: Decaydance/Island Records
Release Date: December 16, 2008

Hey, did you hear? Fall Out Boy released an album with a funky French album title. What's up with that? Their third major label release, Folie à Deux, harnesses the band's darker, more experimental side musically without sacrificing one shred of the sing-along choruses that shot them to stardom. As fans scramble to Google to figure out what the title means, here's the short version. Did Pete Wentz, Pat Stump, and the gang spend too much time imitating hipsters and thumbing through French dictionaries at Starbucks? Nah. Simply put, folie à deux is a "madness shared by two," when two people develop the same delusional disorder due to a close relationship with the other. The more you know...

Despite a lukewarm fan reaction to the lead single, "I Don't Care," it is part of a hard-hitting three-song intro to Folie, an intense joyride through some of the catchiest hooks you'll hear all year. "Disloyal Order of Water Buffaloes" is a potential single choice, with its carefree chorus just bursting at the seams to invade the airwaves. "I Don't Care" opens with an intro somewhere between boogie-woogie and "Tainted Love." The album's lead single seems to nod at listeners' intense love-hate relationship of the band, pointing out that as long as people talk, the band continues to thrive. "She's My Winona" is the first track that the band's lead singer Patrick Stump really gets to wail, showing that he is no limited-range pop punk vocalist. The song is a bit "whoa-oh" heavy and repetitive, but still not particularly disappointing. In fact, the next four songs all manage to leave a lasting impact on listeners, with swirling hooks from "America's Suitehearts" and "The (Shipped) Gold Standard," while "Headfirst Slide Into Cooperstown on a Bad Bet" is a moody track with several tempo changes, fusing shadowy funk and piano interludes. This is the most musically inspired we have seen Fall Out Boy as a band, and those expecting a (no longer sophomore) slump this time around will have to wait a bit longer.

Take This to Your Grave is a distant memory as the band has traded eff-you songs for flippant lamentations about their newfound fame, for starters ("I don't care what you think/as long as it's about me"). For those questioning the legitimacy of contemporary pop punk, they need only to look at arguably the biggest active band in the genre not fronted by a guy named Billie Joe. The songs have gotten darker musically yet a touch lighter thematically. Not quite as sugary sweet as From Under the Cork Tree, this album swaps cavities for Costello, who guests on "What a Catch, Donnie." While a number of the guest appearances on Folie à Deux don't add much to the original song (see: Saporta, Gabriel, Beckett, William, et. al.), Costello's gig really shines on "Donnie's" down-tempo sing-along, dovetailing nicely with Stump's crooning. In fact, as Costello had The Attractions and now his solo career, it's not much of a stretch to see Stump heading down that road at some point with his distinctive delivery and penchant for musical experimentation. The new album leaves Infinity on High in the dust amid gloomier musical overtones and a much stronger initial response from fans.

The carnival escapee, "20 Dollar Nose Bleed," is a sharp contrast with the Pharrell Williams-produced/guested "W.A.M.S.," which is sure to be a fan favorite, and the Lil Wayne-featured "Tiffany Blews," which could have done with a little less whine and cheese from the mega-rapper. The bouncy piano parts of "20 Dollar Nose Bleed" channel Panic (no exclamation point) at the Disco. Throwing listeners for a loop, spliced into the middle of the song is a Kipling reference that flows into a political critique ("The man who would be king goes to the desert/the same war his dad rehearsed/Comes back with flags on coffins and says 'We won, oh we won'"). It proves quite an interesting pairing of light and dark, and is a reference that many will miss the first time through the album. Considering the band's political activism (this album was originally scheduled to drop on Election Day), it's not surprising, yet at the same time, it shows that they refuse to settle for being known for clever hooks and magazine covers.

The revolving door of guests--including Fueled By Ramen favorites Gabe Saporta, William Beckett, Travis McCoy, Brendon Urie, along with Costello, Debbie Harry, Lil Wayne, and Pharrell Williams--fail to spruce up the album much more than the band could have done on their own. On the other hand, fans of those named above should get a kick out of spotting the slew of guest spots throughout Folie à Deux. Fall Out Boy could have played it safe and delivered a dozen hooky yet bland cuts to sell a solid million records. Instead, they push the musical envelope without losing what makes them both memorable and marketable. As sometimes happens with musical experiments, some of the songs almost have too much going on, with pulsating guitar and bass combos, several vocal layers at a time, and pummeling drumbeats that at times get lost in the mix—and that's not even touching the drum machine, hand claps, strings, and piano. Neal Avron again did a stellar job making Folie à Deux sound crisp and refined, however, and it shows that a band can be on a major label and produced without being over-produced.

To quote Stump in the album's third track, "We didn't come to compete/this is a demonstration." He and the rest of the band have written the album that fans have been looking forward to but not expecting would actually happen. Folie is the result of Fall Out Boy's continued maturation, to use the well-worn cliché. They reach across genres, touching upon elements of R&B and funk, complementing them with complexly arranged pop songs, tongues firmly planted in cheek the whole time. This is Fall Out Boy at their most creative, their most honest, and their most hopeful. Folie à Deux makes this much clear--get on or off the bandwagon or you can bet your ass is getting run over by this F.A.D. and the trailer towing the platinum plaques that are sure to follow.

01. Disloyal Order of Water Buffaloes
02. I Don't Care
03. She's My Winona
04. America's Suitehearts
05. Headfirst Slide Into Cooperstown on a Bad Bet
06. The (Shipped) Gold Standard
07. (Coffee's for Closers)
08. What a Catch, Donnie
09. 27
10. Tiffany Blews
11. W.A.M.S.
12. 20 Dollar Nose Bleed
13. West Coast SmokeriTunes (http://click.linksynergy.com/fs-bin/stat?id=PjIvm57kicI&offerid=146261&type=3&subid=0&tmpid=1826&RD_PARM1=http%253A%252F%252Fitunes. apple.com%252FWebObjects%252FMZStor e.woa%252Fwa%252FviewAlbum%253Fi%25 3D299508615%2526id%253D299508502%25 26s%253D143441%2526partnerId%253D30 ) | Amazon MP3 (http://tinyurl.com/folieadigital) | Amazon.com (CD or vinyl) (http://tinyurl.com/fobfad)Band Members:
Patrick Stump (Vocals, Guitar)
Pete Wentz (Bass)
Joe Trohman (Guitar)
Andy Hurley (Drums)

Producer:
Neal Avron

[tait]

i would be lying if i said i wasn't waiting for a review of this

[trustmeimokay]

Very few times do you say what YOU actually THINK of the album. This is just a track-by-track description of every song.

[beau blood rush]

awesome review, completely agree.

[Paulb-182]

Great review, good read to pass 5 minutes at work

[Tony Pascarella]

Very few times do you say what YOU actually THINK of the album. This is just a track-by-track description of every song.I disagree; it's definitely in the language I used. I just strive not to use "I" in reviews unless I absolutely have to.

[Paulb-182]

"The new album leaves Infinity on High in the dust"

to me, that sounds like a personal statement.. plus i agree, couldnt stand infinity on high

[Chris Fallon]

The first half is definitely stronger to me; I feel like the hip-hop cuts really kill the momentum. However, I love the hoopla on "20 Dollar".

The lyrical content really strikes me upon a few more listens. Comparing the content between their first releases to now is a tremendous parallel to four dudes living in a van to four dudes splitting hotel suites.

Good to have you back, Tony. Good work, my friend.

P.S. Costello had the Attractions; the Police were Sting's band :-)

[calystarose]

Thank you for writing this review. It's so refreshing to see a review about the music itself.

[mr chainsaw]

I absolutely cannot stand even one song on this album. Way too overproduced. Good review, but this band is not for me anymore and I would not call this album experimental, I would call it they are a pop band now. Their drummer is so good and his talent is being wasted in this band.

[3eb23]

i started listening to the stream a few days ago and only got through like 4 or 5 songs. none were memorable and i didn't get excited about any of them. i just kind of got bored and the songs seemed to just fade into the background. i just went ahead and started listening to other music. i need to give this an honest chance, but after streaming those songs i have zero motivation to.

[Tony Pascarella]

The first half is definitely stronger to me; I feel like the hip-hop cuts really kill the momentum. However, I love the hoopla on "20 Dollar".

The lyrical content really strikes me upon a few more listens. Comparing the content between their first releases to now is a tremendous parallel to four dudes living in a van to four dudes splitting hotel suites.

Good to have you back, Tony. Good work, my friend.

P.S. Costello had the Attractions; the Police were Sting's band :-)Thanks, and durrrrr on the PS; that's what I get for editing it for the tenth or so time at like 7 AM, so I didn't catch that. Fixed it.

[Chris Fallon]

i started listening to the stream a few days ago and only got through like 4 or 5 songs. none were memorable and i didn't get excited about any of them. i just kind of got bored and the songs seemed to just fade into the background. i just went ahead and started listening to other music. i need to give this an honest chance, but after streaming those songs i have zero motivation to.
Same thing happened for me. I think the first half has the best material, but once I got to "Donnie," I zoned out. However, I've given it more listens and think it's a grower. Give it a chance -- out of the two major releases today, this is the best one to choose from.

[Tony Pascarella]

The lyrics on this album had more relevance to me than on any of their albums since TTTYG. Maybe it's where I am in my life, maybe it's where they are in their careers, but I actually really enjoyed and agreed with some of the things they said in some lines on FAD.

[DI Pistola]

What? No mention of "Coffee's for Closures?" The strongest song on the record and arguably one of FOB's biggest anthems to date?

Did we get the same cd?

[Tony Pascarella]

What? No mention of "Coffee's for Closures?" The strongest song on the record and arguably one of FOB's biggest anthems to date?

Did we get the same cd?Honestly, I already talked about the vast majority of the songs, perhaps a bit more than I originally intended to. If it didn't convince the reader to check it out, talking about one more probably won't change his or her mind. If they do listen based on this review, then it's a surprise for them to find.

[billyboatkid]

Nice review.

Love the cd.

[derian2219]

Great review Tony. This album is boosting up my top 10 for the year. Not sure if it knocks out Lydia though.


This ranks up there with TTTYG because it has so many different elements in the songs and it all works. Phenomenal CD.

[parawhore10]

love this album.
haven't been able to stop listening to it since i got it.

[Kill_the_radio]

Good review Tony,
i am a great fan of your reviews!

[Drew Beringer]

great review Tony! I <3 this album

[MusicTalks]

I got it before work this morning and after one spin, it's sitting well. That's definitely a good sign. IOH took several times before I could pick out some songs that made the purchase worth it. So far, I like the $10.00 that I spent on it. In reference to the User ratings, I think that those numbers will go up, but I could never see giving Patrick Stump a 7.39 on vocals. He is always, at worst, an 8. An album might blow, but his vocals never will. Ever.

[Broclee]

Too bad the whiners have already crawled out of the woodwork.

Amazingly good, diverse, and exciting album.

[Blakebear]

I got it before work this morning and after one spin, it's sitting well. That's definitely a good sign. IOH took several times before I could pick out some songs that made the purchase worth it. So far, I like the $10.00 that I spent on it. In reference to the User ratings, I think that those numbers will go up, but I could never see giving Patrick Stump a 7.39 on vocals. He is always, at worst, an 8. The album might blow, but his vocals never will. Ever.
Agreed.

Patrick Stump's vocals are the only reason I listen to this band. If any other singer was singing this album I wouldn't give a fuck.

Stumps got soul.

[thursday8605]

bad album, good review tho

[ninjanewblet]

yeah this new shit sucks... I liked the new AAR cd better.

[MusicTalks]

Stumps got soul.

Damn right. And if Tony is on target with some sort of solo project on Stump's part, in the future, he'll have a fan right here. In fact, when it's all said and done, I might even prefer his solo stuff to FOB. Who knows.

[rckstr29]

I think that this album is so much like Cork Tree. It even has the spoken poem by Wentz in it. While I don't dig the poetry reading, that is definitely a compliment for this album.

[HandsDown28]

Love the album; I think Stump as a vocalist shines, and he's able to enunciate more than in previous albums - I'd give him a 10 for vocals.

Well done on the review.

[Blakebear]

yeah this new shit sucks... I liked the new AAR cd better.
Why?

[sjb2k1]

"she's my winona" is a terrible song. i skip it every time.

[DI Pistola]

yeah this new shit sucks... I liked the new AAR cd better.
I think this says more about you, than it does about FOB or AAR.

Ouch.

[Tony Pascarella]

"she's my winona" is a terrible song. i skip it every time.It's so repetitive and some of the lyrics are bizarre; I wish it was a lot better. :-/

Don't really care for West Coast Smoker.

[Broclee]

Can someone helped me out with Pharell's guest part in "w.a.m.s.?" Does he actually do vocals in the song? If so, I can't pick him out from Patrick to save my life.

[Liter-O-Cola]

I absolutely cannot stand even one song on this album. Way too overproduced. Good review, but this band is not for me anymore and I would not call this album experimental, I would call it they are a pop band now. Their drummer is so good and his talent is being wasted in this band.
I actually do like FOB's stuff, excluding about half of Infinity on High and this entire album, but I definitely agree with you on a few things. This is overproduced to the point that it sounds about as artificial as the lyrics, and I would absolutely not call this "experimental"...unless they are experimenting with what it feels like to strip all emotion/creativity/sincerity out of their music. I'm all for change, hell pop-punk isn't even my favorite type of music, but this album's lack of...anything just makes it boring.

[MusicTalks]

Oh, and as far as the guest vocals from Lil Wayne - they were pointless. I'm a big Lil Wayne fan. He has the ability to do so many things with a track, but sticking him towards the end of the song with the little part he had? Might as well just left him off. I was excited to hear the track and then disappointed when it was over.

[Blakebear]

I think the problem people have with FOB is that they remain under the impression that FOB is some kind of "pop-punk" band.

They are a pop band. If you don't like pop, you don't like FOB.

If this is the case, I guess you'll just have to keep lamenting TTTYG. Unfortunately for you, thats just not FOB anymore.

[TyroneShoolaces]

Quoting somebody else, "If you don't like the new Fall Out Boy, you are trying too hard to be cool."

Love, love, love the Elvis Costello.

[MusicTalks]

Patrick Stump's vocals are the only reason I listen to this band. If any other singer was singing this album I wouldn't give a fuck.

And the User ratings for vocals are going down. It's at 7.32 now. Unbelievable.

[Un'Aria Ancora]

2 listens was a chore, Headfirst is good at least, good for them.

[c_rob2700]

thank you soooo much for not making the whole review center around Pete. Best review of this album i've seen

[WishYouAway]

This review felt... unstructured. You're giving a song-by-song summary, then you bust into talking about how they've changed from TTYG, then right back to a song summary, except it's incredibly more detailed.

I dunno.

It also feels like it suffers from "wall of text" syndrome at times, especially in the 5th paragraph.

[MusicTalks]

This review felt... unstructured.

I agree with this. After I read the review, I was like "Um, okay?" I've pretty much forgotten what he said about the album.

[refgirl23]

The lyrics on this album had more relevance to me than on any of their albums since TTTYG. Maybe it's where I am in my life, maybe it's where they are in their careers, but I actually really enjoyed and agreed with some of the things they said in some lines on FAD.

Same thoughts here. I absolutely love The (Shipped) Gold Standard for the line can "You can only blame your problems on the world for so long, before it all becomes the same old song."

[The Personist]

Amazing album, and the review does it much justice.

Well written, sir.

[Phil507]

I think TTTYG might be their most consistent but it doesn't really differ from track to track. The major label releases feature what I feel are their best songs (Hum Hallelujah, Sugar, Sixteen Candles, Don't you Know Who I Think I Am, Disloyal Order of Water Buffaloes, Thnks Fr Th Mmrs, Tiffany Blews, The (Shipped) Gold Standard, etc.) However, I think most people are stuck in a constant state of adolescence and only like the bird-fingered to the ex-girlfriend/boyfriend songs.

[ReadyForAction]

Disloyal order of the waterbuffalos is easily one of the best FOB songs I have ever heard

[ShoeSh1ne]

84%, really?

I think it's closer to the 67% the members gave it.

It's bad.

However, I think most people are stuck in a constant state of adolescence and only like the bird-fingered to the ex-girlfriend/boyfriend songs.

You can still have the music there from those songs that the people enjoy and change the lyrics. THAT'S what people enjoy, the music.

[stop snitchin]

great review

[*crying stars*]

I am very content in how this album turned out; there are good songs and a few songs that aren't, but overall it still feels like a Fall Out Boy album.

[MusicTalks]

I think TTTYG might be their most consistent but it doesn't really differ from track to track. The major label releases feature what I feel are their best songs (Hum Hallelujah, Sugar, Sixteen Candles, Don't you Know Who I Think I Am, Disloyal Order of Water Buffaloes, Thnks Fr Th Mmrs, Tiffany Blews, The (Shipped) Gold Standard, etc.) However, I think most people are stuck in a constant state of adolescence and only like the bird-fingered to the ex-girlfriend/boyfriend songs.

So underestimated, but one of my favorite FOB songs, ever. Nice choice. I also agree with what you said about the albums somehow having to live up to TTTYG. At some point it's like "Alright people, let's move on." So far the album is good. It does remind me a lot of IOH, however.

[Mitch]

The production on this is huge.

[ashiex3]

good review.
this album really grew on me, and i like it.
but there are still songs that i skip over.

[superichie]

couldn't have said it better myself. I actually like the album a lot. cheers, FOB!

[Broclee]

All the haters in the house, say "YEEEEE-aaaaaaaaah."

Seriously.
So so so so so so so many.
But what can you expect when only the coolest and most elite gather to discuss the new Fall Out Boy disc?

[klawansie7]

your description of "20 dollar" is dead on; the first time i listened i was wondering why a panic song had come on when i was listening to fob.

[FayeQC]

20 dollar is my favourite by far

[MusicTalks]

All the haters in the house, say "YEEEEE-aaaaaaaaah."

Seriously.
So so so so so so so many.
But what can you expect when only the coolest and most elite gather to discuss the new Fall Out Boy disc?

You seem to be taking people's comments personally.

"If they hate, let'em hate, and watch the money pile up."

[jimjam32]

fucking amazing cd. it is right up there with tttyg

[Big_Guy]

I'm sure this sucks.

That first album was pretty good and the second one had a few good tracks, but pretty much everything they've releases since sucks ass.

[BuyMyIntention]

Nice review. I love this album. I would have been pretty bummed if both this AND the AAR records were bad. 1 out of 2 isn't bad.

[The Marc]

I'm sure this sucks.

That first album was pretty good and the second one had a few good tracks, but pretty much everything they've releases since sucks ass.
You're not gonna like this one, dude. "America's Suitehearts" is mammoth, but nothing else really comes close to that kind of kick. Props for doing their own thing, and I don't think anything is really bad per se, I guess it's just not for me.

[eMart]

At first listen I thought this was a pretty mediocre album, but after a few more spins it definitely grew on me. Also, I think w.a.m.s. is one of the best songs they've written to date.

[Hainzey X]

the guest appearances on this album did nothing for me. i didn't even notice half of them.

[xashkox]

Quoting somebody else, "If you don't like the new Fall Out Boy, you are trying too hard to be cool."

Love, love, love the Elvis Costello.

love this. thank you. :)

[sweetforever]

very well written review. I enjoy this record more each time I listen to it.

[Broclee]

You seem to be taking people's comments personally.

"If they hate, let'em hate, and watch the money pile up."
Nah, I'm not taking anything personally. I respect people who really don't like this album and can back it up. It just seems like it's all of a sudden KA-BOOOOM time for the haters to come on out. A lot of folks don't even have a reason as to why it's no good except that it's not the same as Take This To Your Grave.

I mean, I couldn't really care less. It was just an observation.

[caityconundrum]

i was a little nervous to read this after seeing what you said about the album the other day, but good review.

[MorningStar10]

Much better than Infinity on high, thats what matters.

What a catch, Donnie
Disloyal Order of Buffalos
She's my winnona
The (Shipped) Gold standard,

Are all serious good songs, but too many weak songs just let this album down, think this is tottally fair album 85% around is fair.

[bobcatbob18]

Good review. I dig track-by-track type reviews.

I think the album is phenomenal. The production is heavy (but hey, wasn't Infinity?) which will probably turn some people off, but I personally love it. It's definitely a headphones album, for sure.

[TheSkyline]

Great album, good review.

[bladerdude360]

solid review, i love the record. i'm actually wearing all the stuff i got with my pre-order today, wristband and all haha.

[billl]

so did they "borrow" lyrics again on this one from American Nightmare?

[PopPunkKid]

Great great review, but I have to disagree strongly with the "leaves IOH in the dust" thing. IOH is such a great album. FAD is great as well, but I don't think it really stacks up to IOH.

[MXkillerPX]

Did someone say "hip hop cuts?"

Oof

[caityconundrum]

Great great review, but I have to disagree strongly with the "leaves IOH in the dust" thing. IOH is such a great album. FAD is great as well, but I don't think it really stacks up to IOH.
riiiiiight.

[kylecrowe]

I absolutely cannot stand even one song on this album. Way too overproduced. Good review, but this band is not for me anymore and I would not call this album experimental, I would call it they are a pop band now. Their drummer is so good and his talent is being wasted in this band.
Compared to Fall Out Boy's previous works, this is most certainly experimental, as Tony said FOB has never done anything remotely close to Headfirst Slide...Not sure how you would consider this not experimental

[alann]

great album, great review

[S9Dallasoz]

"She's My Winona" is quite awesome.

[WhoSaidThat?]

Thanks, and durrrrr on the PS; that's what I get for editing it for the tenth or so time at like 7 AM, so I didn't catch that. Fixed it.
Your greatest review and avatar yet, Tone! :-)

[MXkillerPX]

Lil Wayne? guh.

I'll admit I am writing off this album before even listening to it. I'm sure I'll like a few songs, but I don't want hip hop anywhere near my underproduced pop punk, so it sounds like this is a little outside of my tastes. I'll take up that amazon deal though.

Also, I really want Patrick to start a solo career, stat.

[WhoSaidThat?]

Great great review, but I have to disagree strongly with the "leaves IOH in the dust" thing. IOH is such a great album. FAD is great as well, but I don't think it really stacks up to IOH.
Are you sure?

Are you HIV-Positive?

[Broclee]

Lil Wayne? guh.

I'll admit I am writing off this album before even listening to it. I'm sure I'll like a few songs, but I don't want hip hop anywhere near my underproduced pop punk, so it sounds like this is a little outside of my tastes. I'll take up that amazon deal though.

Also, I really want Patrick to start a solo career, stat.
Well, this isn't even underproduced pop punk, so if that's what you wanted, then certainly, stay away indeed.

And I figured a Patrick solo career would venture more into hip-hop and r&b, that's some of his favorite kinds of music.

[MusicTalks]

Nah, I'm not taking anything personally. I respect people who really don't like this album and can back it up. It just seems like it's all of a sudden KA-BOOOOM time for the haters to come on out. A lot of folks don't even have a reason as to why it's no good except that it's not the same as Take This To Your Grave.

I mean, I couldn't really care less. It was just an observation.

Well, other than bands like Metro Station, We the Kings, Plain White T's and The Maine; Fall Out Boy is probably the most discussed/trashed/shit-talked bands on this site. And that's because of sheer volume of fans and shit-talkers alike. Because FOB is the band they are, haters are gonna pop up. I laugh at people that continue to compare each album to TTTYG. It's like they are living on that first, strong album and forever want to trash FOB for not being as "pop-punk" as that album. FOB is pop now, everyone knows it and FOB is okay with it. The TTTYGers need to be okay with it too. There's no going back.

[PopPunkKid]

riiiiiight.
Maybe its just because IOH came out at a really pivotal time in my life, but for me that album just has some of the best pop-rock songs I've ever heard, and some of the lyrics on it really hit home with me as well. FAD is a great album on it's own, but for me personally it'll never match up to IOH or TTTYG.

Edit: Plus I want to add that I've Got All This Ringing In My Ears And None on My Fingers is a WAY better closer track than West Coast Smoker (although I do like that song as well).

[oldschooljedi]

I must say that being an FOB fan since TTTYG, I, and all of us, have watched this band change. I can't say I necessarily like the change. I can't say I necessarily like Fall Out Boy a lot anymore. But I will say, after giving this album a few listens, I still enjoy listening to FOB's music. I have found myself, unexpectedly, wanting to listen to this album a lot.

[caityconundrum]

Maybe its just because IOH came out at a really pivotal time in my life, but for me that album just has some of the best pop-rock songs I've ever heard, and some of the lyrics on it really hit home with me as well. FAD is a great album on it's own, but for me personally it'll never match up to IOH or TTTYG.

Edit: Plus I want to add that I've Got All This Ringing In My Ears And None on My Fingers is a WAY better closer track than West Coast Smoker (although I do like that song as well).
i didn't dislike as much as some people but i liked the new one more than IOH the first time i heard it all the way through. :shrug:

[SungDuck88]

What? No mention of "Coffee's for Closures?" The strongest song on the record and arguably one of FOB's biggest anthems to date?

Did we get the same cd?
agreed.
solid review though. been enjoying this one a lot.
they have exceeded my expectations on this one and made a great album.

[Broclee]

Well, other than bands like Metro Station, We the Kings, Plain White T's and The Maine; Fall Out Boy is probably the most discussed/trashed/shit-talked bands on this site. And that's because of sheer volume of fans and shit-talkers alike. Because FOB is the band they are, haters are gonna pop up. I laugh at people that continue to compare each album to TTTYG. It's like they are living on that first, strong album and forever want to trash FOB for not being as "pop-punk" as that album. FOB is pop now, everyone knows it and FOB is okay with it. The TTTYGers need to be okay with it too. There's no going back.
That's right, there is no going back. And I mean, if the new sound really isn't what some people like, then so be it. But I loved Take This To Your Grave too, even though I was a kid at the time, but I've still dug everything they put out, even Infinity On High.

[Uwe Blab]

I really enjoy this album, and the review did it justice.

But I think I'm the only person who doesn't really like "What a Catch, Donnie"

[Short-Lived]

Maybe its just because IOH came out at a really pivotal time in my life, but for me that album just has some of the best pop-rock songs I've ever heard, and some of the lyrics on it really hit home with me as well. FAD is a great album on it's own, but for me personally it'll never match up to IOH or TTTYG.

Edit: Plus I want to add that I've Got All This Ringing In My Ears And None on My Fingers is a WAY better closer track than West Coast Smoker (although I do like that song as well).

It's the same way for me. I love this record but I still enjoy IOH a lot more.

[MusicTalks]

That's right, there is no going back. And I mean, if the new sound really isn't what some people like, then so be it. But I loved Take This To Your Grave too, even though I was a kid at the time, but I've still dug everything they put out, even Infinity On High.

I still like TTTYG and Cork Tree most, but I don't dislike IOH. This new one will catch on and will catch on quicker than IOH. Overall, IOH was my least favorite, but I still like them all.



But I think I'm the only person who doesn't really like "What a Catch, Donnie"

No, it's not catching on like the reviews have said. Prior to hearing it, and reading that it could be a single, I thought it was a faster paced song. When I heard it, I was like "Hmm, okay, I guess." I liked it better the second time I heard it, but still not feeling it as much as I thought.

[tommy's ghost]

An 8 On Vocals!?!?!? Blasphemy!!! Xd

[Alextisonfire]

Great review.

[Broclee]

I still like TTTYG and Cork Tree most, but I don't dislike IOH. This new one will catch on and will catch on quicker than IOH. Overall, IOH was my least favorite, but I still like them all.

Yeah, that's a pretty good description of how I feel about it.

[Uwe Blab]

I still like TTTYG and Cork Tree most, but I don't dislike IOH. This new one will catch on and will catch on quicker than IOH. Overall, IOH was my least favorite, but I still like them all.



No, it's not catching on like the reviews have said. Prior to hearing it, and reading that it could be a single, I thought it was a faster paced song. When I heard it, I was like "Hmm, okay, I guess." I liked it better the second time I heard it, but still not feeling it as much as I thought.

That's pretty much exactly how I feel.

[tommy's ghost]

I'm sure this sucks.

That first album was pretty good and the second one had a few good tracks, but pretty much everything they've releases since sucks ass.
Only if awesomeness has an ass.

[tommy's ghost]

I agree with this. After I read the review, I was like "Um, okay?" I've pretty much forgotten what he said about the album.
It's a travesty, I know.

EDIT: NOT the thing I wanted to quote. I meant the one about the user ratings going down.

[SandManTEND13]

I have been awaiting the review of this album for a while and It was a great review, I am surprised it didnt get a higher rating but oh well. I know this will be on somes AOTY! I am glad that this came out, but I will have to check it out acouple of times but it sounds like I wont be disapointed

[MusicTalks]

EDIT: NOT the thing I wanted to quote. I meant the one about the user ratings going down.

Well, it's up to 7.9 now, so that's a good thing. I'd give it an 8.75 for vocals. Anything less than that is nothing short of a travesty.

[thesiz]

by far their weakest effort to date.
i honestly cant think of a whole song that i like, though there are some parts of songs i like.

[relaxrelapse830]

*brendon :]

i love this album. its definitely my favorite since tttyg. my favorite songs so far would have to be "coffes for closures," "27," and "disloyal order of the water buffaloes."

[WhoSaidThat?]

by far their weakest effort to date.
i honestly cant think of a whole song that i like, though there are some parts of songs i like.
Seriously? All right. To each their own.

[just.Starla.]

Great review.
I have been listening to Folie all day, and I really like it.

[tommy's ghost]

Well, it's up to 7.9 now, so that's a good thing. I'd give it an 8.75 for vocals. Anything less than that is nothing short of a travesty.
I'm pretty sure that was me lol. Patrick's voice is like sex for the ears (not sex IN the ear, mind you), I love it.

[Uwe Blab]

This and the new AAR were already on the shelves at wal mart yesterday around noon.

[CarouselBoy]

this a good review, although as far as stylistic writing goes, if you ever have to qualify a cliche by saying "to use the cliche" then you probably shouldn't use the cliche.

Anyway I've always been a so so fall out boy fan. I'd like half an album and the rest was just blah to me but this album has me at full blown fan status. I love it all the way through and it's just so catchy, and Patrick's vocals are his best so far IMO. I had been debating about doing it or not, but def I'm glad a got one of the preorder packages. Great effort guys.

[Moritz421]

What? No mention of "Coffee's for Closures?" The strongest song on the record and arguably one of FOB's biggest anthems to date?

Did we get the same cd?
this

[Drew Beringer]

Just to mention again, I really enjoyed your review Tony, really similar thoughts. The only thing I would have changed is the score for vocals, probably would have given them a 8.75-9. :-)

[sargentlgfuad]

i like it a lot,
although some of the latter songs seem to fall flat, i should be able to get into them with more listens.

[airik625]

Love this CD, love the new layout!

[Shieldyoureyes7]

I really like the new cd and I'm too lazy to search back and quote it but a guy earlier had said how the lyrics to this album really spoke to him (or at least a few did). I haven't listened to TTTYG in a long time and with all of the anticipation around this cd being released I decided to go back and listen to kind of get a feel for what everyone has been saying. I have to say, as much as I loved that cd in high school, it doesn't pack the same punch for me lyrically or really musically as FAD. I think if people quit looking for them to release anthems that they could put an ex-gf's face to then maybe they'd be able to take a more honest look at the new music, maybe not though.
Musically, this cd is far better than TTTYG. And for people giving negative ratings on Patricks vocals, I can't even imagine what you see to be good vocals? I admit, the way he sung threw me off in IOH, but I think he really masters that new style on FAD.
Great cd, been stuck in my head all week. Hopefully this is a direction Fall Out Boy will continue to go for further releases. They really roped me back in with this one.

[Tony Pascarella]

Just to mention again, I really enjoyed your review Tony, really similar thoughts. The only thing I would have changed is the score for vocals, probably would have given them a 8.75-9. :-)The reason I didn't do that is because Pat doesn't always enunciate very well, so it's hard for me to give (any of their CDs really) them a super-high vocal rating. He does some really cool stuff with the vocals though in terms of his delivery.

I thought about not giving the album number ratings at all but I figured that would invite more argument. Although so far it looks like most people are reading what I had to say versus just the number score so I can't and won't complain too much.

[hi_itsme]

love the vocals on the albums, but live shows--they're a letdown

[evan324]

this album is amazing, i was so surprised, i forgot how much i like fall out boy.. i'm pumped i bought it at best buy as well cause it came with 5 extra songs and a bonus and the stem tracks for america's suitehearts, i cant wait to mix it myself.

great review also, i agree with everything that was said.

[hi_itsme]

i'm not feeling the connection between the artwork and the music really. Obviously, the name and art go together, but i can't say the same for the music. Although IOH didn't live up to my expectations the music did have this mystical, beautiful, alone feeling that the artwork left me with as well.

[r0ckl0bster]

Album's great, I'm also super excited to see them on Fuse tonight.

[benn10]

ehh, I wasn't as impressed with this album.

[foisol]

The single sounds A LOT like "Personal Jesus". FOB keeps writing catchy albums, I like this better than the last one.

[PopPunkKid]

Heard "Disloyal Order" on a Philly rock station today (104.5), thought that was pretty sweet.

[PopPunkKid]

i'm not feeling the connection between the artwork and the music really. Obviously, the name and art go together, but i can't say the same for the music. Although IOH didn't live up to my expectations the music did have this mystical, beautiful, alone feeling that the artwork left me with as well.


I get the exact same vibe from IOH, almost like the music perfectly matches the artwork or something, which is another reason why I love it so much.

[hi_itsme]

I get the exact same vibe from IOH, almost like the music perfectly matches the artwork or something, which is another reason why I love it so much.
yeah..i feel like it glorified lonliness

[jaspersleftleg]

Hmm. I really liked this review, but one thing that didn't satisfy me the way it seemed to do for you was the line "The man who would be king goes to the desert/the same war his dad rehearsed/Comes back with flags on coffins and says 'We won, oh we won'."
This gave me the impression that Fall Out Boy is afraid to be a political band. On an entire album, originally planned to drop on election day, for there to be only one little line concerning their rage at the current administration frustrates me. The line is clearly loaded with sarcasm and anger, yet it's the sole mention of anything political (unless you count the vague, "I will never believe in anything again."). In an interview, Patrick mentioned that he felt self-conscious about how 'open' he felt both the line was, and who it was directed toward. But we've also seen that the band themself are a group of politically aware and astute boys- I just can't get really get past the self-censorship.

[ExplodingStereo]

I don't know, I listened to most of this album and didn't really get the same feeling you did. "Disloyal Order", "I Don't Care", and "Cooperstown" are catchy, but after I listened to them, I didn't really want to listen again. The album is miles away from their old stuff, and I guess it's "more mature" for them, but it feels really empty to me (if that makes any sense).

[Dan CiTi]

WOW Fall Out Boy still sucks.

[friskycurtain]

This album further continues my disappointment with FOB...just like someone said earlier they now are a POP band which seriously is sad...I fell in love with From Under The Cork Tree and then I was given the 180 degree change that was Infinity On High...that album and this album are ghastly...yes yes Patrick gets to show his range, they get to throw in new musical styles, and FOB gets to jab at the haters lyrically but I seriously think as FOB continues their career as a POP band they are going to have a revolving door fan base...with each album they are going to piss off a once loyal branch of their fans and the place of those fans will be filled in with new fans that heard and loved FOB's latest single on the radio...they will lose lots of fans (such as myself) as the years go on but do to their pop-culture popularity their records will continue to sell like crazy

[Clark]

Solid album. Bad review. I agree with your numerical ratings, though.

[c_rob2700]

BLAH BLAH (i hate fall out boy because this album doesn't sound like take this to your grave) BLAH BLAH - obligatory "tehy s0ld 0ut" post

[SanePsychotic]

Nice review. I'm going to have to pick this album up once I get the chance.

[ZoSo1886]

I thought Coffee's For Closer's is one of the stronger tracks, and that the middle of the album - Shipped Gold, Coffee, What a Catch is the strongest part.

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[Gleebo]

Decent review. I would probably end up around 90% to 92% if I was ambitious enough to do a full review. Its better than Infinity on High and I really liked it for the most part.

There's no one in the business that does what FOB does better than them. In fact no one even comes close....addictive pop music that appeals to 40 year old soccer moms, 14 year old teenage girls, meat headed frat boys, self pitying loners, trendy indie music lovers, and probably even Jesus himself.

[Gleebo]

Nice review. I'm going to have to pick this album up once I get the chance.
Shipped Gold is definitely my current favorite.

[c_rob2700]

Just glad the whole review actually focused on the music and not Pete's presonal life

[demondays524]

I liked this CD a lot.

[Ryzenfall]

Very few times do you say what YOU actually THINK of the album. This is just a track-by-track description of every song.

This entire review, like all other reviews, was an opinion. Just less "I"s and "me"s.

[Chris Fallon]

I really enjoy this album, and the review did it justice.

But I think I'm the only person who doesn't really like "What a Catch, Donnie"
I don't really like it either. Too much going on in the song (particularly by the end) and I'm not big on the tone of the song. Suppose ballad material by FOB is not really my cup of tea.

[borborygmus]

This is a shitty review that is trying too hard. That said, this record is fucking amazing, FOB's best yet.

[Until The Bombs]

Not going to disagree too much on the scores, except for the production. Despite the fact the he's the strongest thing FOB has going for them, Stump's vocals are so much more prominent than the music, to the point where it hinders the songs a little.

[Goat01]

I really like this record.
"What A Catch, Donnie" is probably my favorite, but the record as a whole is very good.
And this is the first time they've sworn on cd, right?

[dru]

Wow -- That's so weird. 84% was the exact overall score I gave this album myself back when I first heard it.

Also, this may not be the case with most of the people on this thread, but I liked IOH better. For some reason, upon first listen of the album I was completely blown away, and was not expecting what was coming. I thought they were very creative and inventive with that album, I listened to it all the time and still do from time to time. I just felt like that album was much stronger; for me it seemed like they mixed elements from TTYG and FUCT, and I loved that about the album. Folie is good, it's creative and it seems like FOB's most personal effort. At first listen I was a little disappointed, but the album grew on me, especially "Buffaloes". However the album gets progressively weaker as "27" starts IMO; I feel like after Donnie the album kind of lost its touch. I thought they had the opportunity to do something else with the last half of the album, but they did what they wanted with it. Can't wait for another record when it comes.

[ericsounds41]

good review.

[Mochem]

A score in the low eighties seems pretty accurate. No doubt it's a good album with some great songs, but its greatness doesn't really stay consistent throughout the whole thing. I wouldn't call any of the songs BAD, but there are some mediocre ones.

[StartAngry&Mad]

I can't call it a bad album, obviously their music has grown more mature, creative, layered, diverse, etc., and I respect them for being a driving force in pop music, but do I enjoy it? is it still fun? Unfortunately not (for me). Maybe one day it'll hit the mark for me though, I want it to

[xtheaudition]

good cd

[Mattylikesfilms]

i cant find half of those damn guest spots. half are pointless. i dont see someone seeing in the background faintly a guest spot. like bemis on "ready" by starting line.... unneccesary

[tommy413]

Awful CD

[Mattylikesfilms]

Wow -- That's so weird. 84% was the exact overall score I gave this album myself back when I first heard it.

Also, this may not be the case with most of the people on this thread, but I liked IOH better. For some reason, upon first listen of the album I was completely blown away, and was not expecting what was coming. I thought they were very creative and inventive with that album, I listened to it all the time and still do from time to time. I just felt like that album was much stronger; for me it seemed like they mixed elements from TTYG and FUCT, and I loved that about the album. Folie is good, it's creative and it seems like FOB's most personal effort. At first listen I was a little disappointed, but the album grew on me, especially "Buffaloes". However the album gets progressively weaker as "27" starts IMO; I feel like after Donnie the album kind of lost its touch. I thought they had the opportunity to do something else with the last half of the album, but they did what they wanted with it. Can't wait for another record when it comes.


uhhhh "20 dollar nose bleed" yeah its ok i know you forgot about that gem ;)

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[Gleebo]

The beginning of Cooperstown sounds like songs that Martin Gore would use his lower voice on occasionally in some of Depeche Mode's earlier stuff.

[FragileFuture]

I have never been a huge fall out boy fan but after reading this review this album looks really good. I totally got pick it up

[mr chainsaw]

Compared to Fall Out Boy's previous works, this is most certainly experimental, as Tony said FOB has never done anything remotely close to Headfirst Slide...Not sure how you would consider this not experimental
Folie a Deux is about as experimental as someone trying Pepsi for the first time. Everybody else already has had a taste and you can find it everywhere.

I do not see what is so experimental about crafting your music so that a wider slice of the population will find something they like in it.

[mr chainsaw]

I have never been a huge fall out boy fan but after reading this review this album looks really good. I totally got pick it up
Don't do it dude!

[Broclee]

This album further continues my disappointment with FOB...just like someone said earlier they now are a POP band which seriously is sad...I fell in love with From Under The Cork Tree and then I was given the 180 degree change that was Infinity On High...that album and this album are ghastly...yes yes Patrick gets to show his range, they get to throw in new musical styles, and FOB gets to jab at the haters lyrically but I seriously think as FOB continues their career as a POP band they are going to have a revolving door fan base...with each album they are going to piss off a once loyal branch of their fans and the place of those fans will be filled in with new fans that heard and loved FOB's latest single on the radio...they will lose lots of fans (such as myself) as the years go on but do to their pop-culture popularity their records will continue to sell like crazy
I don't think Fall Out Boy has gained any new fans that have never heard of them with "I Don't Care."

I don't think anything like that has happened since "Sugar, We're Going Down," before they were on the radar of the common man and woman.

The problem is that so many Fall Out Boy fans want to keep the same Fall Out Boy that wrote Take This To Your Grave, and when it doesn't happen, they get pissy and leave. It's been happening for two albums now.

But I don't think it's true to say that with every album they gain new fans based off the singles. Thnks Fr Th Mmrs may have been a huge single, but I would personally think that most of the world knew about Fall Out Boy before its release, it just happened to be a chart-topping hit.

If you live in the world today and know anything about true pop music, you know who Fall Out Boy are.

That's just my opinion.

[muzikool]

wow! the first unbiased review of fall out boy's new album, nice!

[SeanEBoy2686]

I agree about this album leaving Infinity on High in the dust... it is a far superior because of it's quality throughout. Great lyrics, catchy beats, smooth vocals... everything we've grown to like about these guys. However, the biggest reason this album stands out to me is the use of Lil Wayne, Pharrell, Elvis Costello, Debbie Harry, and Brendan Urie. Their guest parts fit perfectly with the sound of the album. Overall it has greatly exceeded my expectations.

[hockeyguitar99]

I absolutely cannot stand even one song on this album. Way too overproduced. Good review, but this band is not for me anymore and I would not call this album experimental, I would call it they are a pop band now. Their drummer is so good and his talent is being wasted in this band.
Are you saying that ab album can't be experimental and pop at the same time?

[iszy25]

Good review, and I agree with the statement about a little too much going on in certain places, but overall I think this was a pretty solid album for them.

[Jason Tate]

This album further continues my disappointment with FOB...just like someone said earlier they now are a POP band which seriously is sad...I fell in love with From Under The Cork Tree and then I was given the 180 degree change that was Infinity On High...that album and this album are ghastly...yes yes Patrick gets to show his range, they get to throw in new musical styles, and FOB gets to jab at the haters lyrically but I seriously think as FOB continues their career as a POP band they are going to have a revolving door fan base...with each album they are going to piss off a once loyal branch of their fans and the place of those fans will be filled in with new fans that heard and loved FOB's latest single on the radio...they will lose lots of fans (such as myself) as the years go on but do to their pop-culture popularity their records will continue to sell like crazy
Fall Out Boy have always been a pop band.

[justinmfi]

Very Good Review....and as far as the album goes for me....Awesome...been waiting awhile for some good FOB to listen to, and here it is!!

[Bakerofpies17]

Liking the new album more than I expected. Only listened to it a few times but it will probably be my favorite since Take This to Your Grave.

[Dm!tr! the !st]

I personally love this album. It may not be the same FOB sound that you were listening to on TTTYG but it is still a great sound. If fans want to leave this band becasue they want them to stay the same then they should leave. FOB is obviously not a static band, and is still a very decent band, they make great pop songs and they made great pop-punk.

On a side note I was very impressed with Lil Waynes vox on "Tiffany Blews". I thought he'd ruin but I prefer it to Pat singing it (its on youtube) and he says one of my favorite quotes. Kudos for a good guest spot. But "w.a.m.s." is the only song I have a problem with. The interlude "Mama" at teh end coudl have been scrapped it doesnt flow to teh next track IMO. And lastly "Pavlove" should have made the cut. To me it seems like IOH & FUCT track perfectly evolved (it has not synth either so I guess Avron may not have produced that track.)

[friskycurtain]

Fall Out Boy have always been a pop band.
take it you have never heard Take This To Your Grave or Evening Out With Your Girlfriend

[fishingthe_sky]

I feel like this cd mirrors the format of the old 12' records. Side A is every track up to "What a Catch," side B is everything after. That being said, I think that the side A of the cd is topped only by TTTYG. "Disloyal Order" is their best opening track yet, "Coffee's for Closures" is one of the best songs they've ever written, "What a Catch" is a great closer, and all the other tracks not mentioned are pretty solid. Side B, on the other hand, sucks. I get that Fall Out Boy is transcending genres in ways that haven't been done before, but it just doesn't click for me. The only track that's really worth listening to is "20 Dollar Nosebleed," which I love for it's big band jazz feel. It's like the b-side gem that should have been on the actual album.

[friskycurtain]

But I don't think it's true to say that with every album they gain new fans based off the singles. Thnks Fr Th Mmrs may have been a huge single, but I would personally think that most of the world knew about Fall Out Boy before its release, it just happened to be a chart-topping hit.

I'm sure people knew of FOB before Thnks Fr Th Mmrs (how couldn't you know) but I think people that had never really listened FOB or weren't into the Sugar We're Going Down sound soon gravitated to Infinity on High because it was something new from them

[bloodyr0mance87]

very, very good review. not like i wasn't going to pick this up anyway, but now i'm really intrigued.

[Jason Tate]

take it you have never heard Take This To Your Grave or Evening Out With Your Girlfriend
Yeah, what are those? :rolleyes:

[Broclee]

I'm sure people knew of FOB before Thnks Fr Th Mmrs (how couldn't you know) but I think people that had never really listened FOB or weren't into the Sugar We're Going Down sound soon gravitated to Infinity on High because it was something new from them
I guess I can understand that. I just don't think that Fall Out Boy gains an enormous amount of new fans just with their singles. Then again, I could be completely wrong about that.

[mr chainsaw]

Are you saying that ab album can't be experimental and pop at the same time?
No, I am saying that just because you change the style of music you make, it does not make it experimental. Radiohead after The Bends I would consider experimental. Folie a Deux does not present anything groundbreaking.

Folie a Deux is about as experimental as someone trying Pepsi for the first time. Everybody else already has had a taste and you can find it everywhere.

I do not see what is so experimental about crafting your music so that a wider slice of the population will find something they like in it.

[Imperfektion]

Good review. This album is so damn catchy.

[mr chainsaw]

Fall Out Boy have always been a pop band.
What do you mean by "pop band?" Just curious.

[Tony Pascarella]

No, I am saying that just because you change the style of music you make, it does not make it experimental. Radiohead after The Bends I would consider experimental. Folie a Deux does not present anything groundbreaking.

Folie a Deux is about as experimental as someone trying Pepsi for the first time. Everybody else already has had a taste and you can find it everywhere.

I do not see what is so experimental about crafting your music so that a wider slice of the population will find something they like in it.Wah wah wah. The music in several cases on this album is the band EXPERIMENTING with styles they haven't explored before. You're just arguing semantics in an attempt to bolster your argument against the album.

Is the band forging a new genre or subgenre? Of course not, but nobody claimed they were.

[hockeyguitar99]

No, I am saying that just because you change the style of music you make, it does not make it experimental. Radiohead after The Bends I would consider experimental. Folie a Deux does not present anything groundbreaking.

Folie a Deux is about as experimental as someone trying Pepsi for the first time. Everybody else already has had a taste and you can find it everywhere.

I do not see what is so experimental about crafting your music so that a wider slice of the population will find something they like in it.
It's experimental simply because it's the band exploring genres that they haven't before, even if they all have a pop sense to them. While it's certainly not experimental music, I think it shows the band experimenting, even if they aren't being necessarily original.

[hockeyguitar99]

What do you mean by "pop band?" Just curious.
As in they've always made pop music.

[Young Machetes]

This band has definitely upped the ante in terms of making music in the pop/rock genre. I know almost no band who can release solid album after solid album and still retain the integrity they had before it. I absolutely love this album.

I hope they release as many videos for this as they did for Infinity On High.

[mateoman]

I honestly feel like this album end at "Coffee's for Closers". Those first few songs are excellent, but everything after is as big a waste of time as most of Infinity on High was. And many might disagree, in comparison the new AAR album is EXCELLENT. I'm going to go out and just say that it's better than their original, and easily on par with Move Along. And yes, I've been a fan since the old days haha.

[mateoman]

And pardon my frequent typos. My USB keyboard is never kind to me.

[3eb23]

i saw the cd in target today. why are all the album tracks written backwards? that was just annoying.

[Jason Tate]

I honestly feel like this album end at "Coffee's for Closers". Those first few songs are excellent, but everything after is as big a waste of time as most of Infinity on High was. And many might disagree, in comparison the new AAR album is EXCELLENT. I'm going to go out and just say that it's better than their original, and easily on par with Move Along. And yes, I've been a fan since the old days haha.
:lol:

Sorry, but that's just crazy talk.

[mr chainsaw]

As in they've always made pop music.
I was not asking you.

[mr chainsaw]

Wah wah wah. The music in several cases on this album is the band EXPERIMENTING with styles they haven't explored before. You're just arguing semantics in an attempt to bolster your argument against the album.

Is the band forging a new genre or subgenre? Of course not, but nobody claimed they were.

I am probably just pissed that they have changed so much too. I just can't believe everyone on this site loves the new album so much. I can't stand it...and it sucks cause I know how they started first hand and I really wish I could get into their new sound, but I can't.

[Jason Tate]

I am probably just pissed that they have changed so much too. I just can't believe everyone on this site loves the new album so much. I can't stand it...and it sucks cause I know how they started first hand and I really wish I could get into their new sound, but I can't.
They did start a pop-punk revival.

[Drew Beringer]

take it you have never heard Take This To Your Grave or Evening Out With Your Girlfriend
are you stupid?

[Chris Fallon]

I honestly feel like this album end at "Coffee's for Closers". Those first few songs are excellent, but everything after is as big a waste of time as most of Infinity on High was. And many might disagree, in comparison the new AAR album is EXCELLENT. I'm going to go out and just say that it's better than their original, and easily on par with Move Along. And yes, I've been a fan since the old days haha.
AAR is"excellent"? Really? I fail to see how that album does pop better than this one does. And to be fair, I would have scored this a bit lower -- however, it's certainly a solid pop album... better than the phoned-in effort AAR delivered.

Why are people arguing about FOB's standards of being a pop band? I have the feeling people arguing this have no idea what pop music is, and suspect it's strictly radio-made music, correct? Unfortunately, just about anything with a verse-chorus-verse formula and a hook is pop in some way.

FOB is taking their blueprint and messing around with it, and frankly, no matter your opinions on this disc, it's pretty evident the evolution would come to this. While I may not like some of the more R&B flavored tracks, I like the fact they are tinkering with their sound a bit. Listening to T3YG and then this doesn't throw me off in the least: essentially, it's still the same band doing what they always have, just a few changes in how it's presented.

[firecrackaaa!]

This was an awesome review, Tony. Good job.

[c_rob2700]

I really enjoy FaD, but it's anticlimatic. Everything before "What A Catch, Donnie" is simply amazing. "(Coffee's for Closers)" might be my favorite FOB song. Patrick's vocals outshine the music on every track. But after that the rest of the songs are kinda "mehh" IMO. But i've only had the album for a day so maybe the second half will grow on me

[The Personist]

AAR is"excellent"? Really? I fail to see how that album does pop better than this one does. And to be fair, I would have scored this a bit lower -- however, it's certainly a solid pop album... better than the phoned-in effort AAR delivered.

Why are people arguing about FOB's standards of being a pop band? I have the feeling people arguing this have no idea what pop music is, and suspect it's strictly radio-made music, correct? Unfortunately, just about anything with a verse-chorus-verse formula and a hook is pop in some way.

FOB is taking their blueprint and messing around with it, and frankly, no matter your opinions on this disc, it's pretty evident the evolution would come to this. While I may not like some of the more R&B flavored tracks, I like the fact they are tinkering with their sound a bit. Listening to T3YG and then this doesn't throw me off in the least: essentially, it's still the same band doing what they always have, just a few changes in how it's presented.
This.

[Jake Denning]

you see, the only thing that REALLY matters is that Tony knows that Kenan and Kel was one of the greatest shows ever to be aired.

anyways, Folie is currently duking it out with Tree for favorite FOB album.

right now itd go: Tree, Folie, Infinity, Grave

The only disappointing thing so far on Folie was the Weezy part on Tiff, it could've been ALOT better. And secondly, Pat's vocals are a 9 at worst, goodness gracious.

[friskycurtain]

are you stupid?
Believe that is a question I need to be posing to you

[singyoutocoma]

The single sounds A LOT like "Personal Jesus". FOB keeps writing catchy albums, I like this better than the last one.
I knew it reminded me of something, but I couldn't place it...Good call.

[singyoutocoma]

Don't do it dude!
Excellent usertitle.

[DividingByZero]

Good review, the cd was great.

[jimmyeatblink]

good review

[xoMASONxo24]

01. Disloyal Order of Water Buffaloes this is a weird name 4 a song:-p

[mateoman]

Okay, okay. I mean, I do love the first half of the album. But I really think that the second half is just a weak listen. It's totally true that I dislike R&B, so if that seems like a justification for it, then it probably is. And yes, AAR has produced an album that doesn't completely redefine pop-punk, but I see no reason to say that it sucks. Without fail, each track is enjoyable, and has the feeling of being big while still staying true to the bands' traditional style. But IMO, I don't see something "new" and "fresh" as necessarily good. In the R&B world, I'm sure the later songs on the album would be laughed at too. There's a difference between innovation and a real, good song. Maybe they were innovative here, but when it comes down to actually listening, it's a snoozer.

[vandalroyale]

Wasn't sure if I would pick this up, but took advantage of Amazon's deal yesterday. I'm glad I did. Good stuff

[mike_aaron]

With FOB being my favorite band, I had to pick this up yesterday morning. I've been a die-hard fan for years now, and I think it's amazing that a band can make changes to their music style, while keeping it similar enough to keep the old fans wanting more and more.

I love this album, plain and simple. I'd be lying if I said that part of me missed the older sound of Grave and Cork Tree, but that's the sign of a great band; Evolve and to be able to have your fans evolve with you.

And I honestly think this album is closer to the style of Cork Tree than Infinity was.




Btw, did anyone notice inside the cd case, it says "Your art is being controlled" on one side, and "by you" on the other?

[borborygmus]

Okay, okay. I mean, I do love the first half of the album. But I really think that the second half is just a weak listen. It's totally true that I dislike R&B, so if that seems like a justification for it, then it probably is. And yes, AAR has produced an album that doesn't completely redefine pop-punk, but I see no reason to say that it sucks. Without fail, each track is enjoyable, and has the feeling of being big while still staying true to the bands' traditional style. But IMO, I don't see something "new" and "fresh" as necessarily good. In the R&B world, I'm sure the later songs on the album would be laughed at too. There's a difference between innovation and a real, good song. Maybe they were innovative here, but when it comes down to actually listening, it's a snoozer.

you're an idiot, and not just because I disagree with your opinion on this phenomenal album.

This guy:

01. Disloyal Order of Water Buffaloes this is a weird name 4 a song:-p

is a musical genius when placed beside you. R&B SUCKS HURRRR I HOPE THEY MAKE TTTYG AGAIN stfu

[fadedmemories]

Completely agree with the review, I love this album and I will always support FOB

[c_rob2700]

Why the hell does the genre of this album even matter. Who cares if it's a "pop" or a "pop/punk" record? Listen to it because you want to, the whole "i will only listen to one certain genre of music" lifestyle is an ignorant and horrible way to experience music. There is over a gazillion different genres of music that have grown and expanded over time. It makes no sense to me why some kids limit themselves to one or two genres

So FOB experimented with a more mature sound, what is wrong with that? If you honestly wanted them to release TTYG over and over again, then you fail at being a music fan. Expand your fucking musical limits or relinquish your opinion on anything outside of your niche

[Chris Fallon]

Fall Out Boy has found their niche in writing pop music that is both catchy and a bit different each time.

When I was listening to AAR, all I could think about was how much it sounded like Good Charlotte and Simple Plan's new material.

[c_rob2700]

"America's Suitehearts" has such a huge chorus and is a good choice for the next single. I also think "The (Shipped) Gold Standard" should be a single as well


And for the record, I can't make a judgement on the new AAR because i haven't and don't plan on really listening to it. I thought "Move Along" was decent but i have no intrest in Gives You Hell

[Gleebo]

"America's Suitehearts" has such a huge chorus and is a good choice for the next single. I also think "The (Shipped) Gold Standard" should be a single as well


And for the record, I can't make a judgement on the new AAR because i haven't and don't plan on really listening to it. I thought "Move Along" was decent but i have no intrest in Gives You Hell
Did Pete confirm that "America's Suitehearts" would be shooting a video soon? "The (Shipped) Gold Standard" is easily my favorite track after a couple days. Although its not to the level of "no brainer hit single" that "Thnks Fr Th Mmrs" was on first listen it definitely stood out on the album. There might be better songs on the album after track it at #6 but I haven't been able to get past it without wanting to start all over and listen to 1 thru 6 again.

As for AAR I can't say that I was thrilled with "Gives You Hell" but it does make a damn good middle finger to a girl who hurt you better than anything I have heard in a while. I wasn't crazy about "Dirty Little Secret" when Move Along came out but the album quickly became a favorite after just a few listens through it. I just kept hoping they would release "Move Along", as a single and they wisely did so. I still consider "Top of the World" my all time favorite AAR track and it could have been bigger if they wouldn't have half hearted a video and promotion for it as a single.

Im holding out on listening to the new one because I am gonna get it for Christmas and anticipating that I don't want to ruin the fun. To anyone who has it do you think its what we've got from them on the first two discs or have they evolved their sound some since Move Along?

[arson]

Great review, I agree with most of it. This record has some really strong songs. It's so much better than "Infinity on High" but not as strong as "From Under the Cork Tree".

[Chris Fallon]

Did Pete confirm that "America's Suitehearts" would be shooting a video soon? "The (Shipped) Gold Standard" is easily my favorite track after a couple days. Although its not to the level of "no brainer hit single" that "Thnks Fr Th Mmrs" was on first listen it definitely stood out on the album. There might be better songs on the album after track it at #6 but I haven't been able to get past it without wanting to start all over and listen to 1 thru 6 again.

As for AAR I can't say that I was thrilled with "Gives You Hell" but it does make a damn good middle finger to a girl who hurt you better than anything I have heard in a while. I wasn't crazy about "Dirty Little Secret" when Move Along came out but the album quickly became a favorite after just a few listens through it. I just kept hoping they would release "Move Along", as a single and they wisely did so. I still consider "Top of the World" my all time favorite AAR track and it could have been bigger if they wouldn't have half hearted a video and promotion for it as a single.

Im holding out on listening to the new one because I am gonna get it for Christmas and anticipating that I don't want to ruin the fun. To anyone who has it do you think its what we've got from them on the first two discs or have they evolved their sound some since Move Along?
You might already know my opinion, but I think it's a steep progression. If you like AAR as much as you seem to, maybe you'll still dig it. I just found the lyrical topics to be juvenile, the production to be shoddy and a pop downturn from Move Along, which sounded huge & was chockful of huge hooks.

[Gleebo]

That doesn't sound good. Those hooks on Move Along could have caught sharks. I can deal with sophomoric lyric if the songs are catchy enough. Who produced the album if you know off the top of your head....kinda sad that I can almost tell what to expect from people's albums by who produced them. Chris and Tom Lord Alge are fucking gold.

[fadedmemories]

That doesn't sound good. Those hooks on Move Along could have caught sharks. I can deal with sophomoric lyric if the songs are catchy enough. Who produced the album if you know off the top of your head....kinda sad that I can almost tell what to expect from people's albums by who produced them. Chris and Tom Lord Alge are fucking gold.
QFT

[Chris Fallon]

That doesn't sound good. Those hooks on Move Along could have caught sharks. I can deal with sophomoric lyric if the songs are catchy enough. Who produced the album if you know off the top of your head....kinda sad that I can almost tell what to expect from people's albums by who produced them. Chris and Tom Lord Alge are fucking gold.
Eric Valentine produced it, who worked with Taking Back Sunday on their last album. He's also produced Good Charlotte & Smash Mouth. He has a very filtered sound to his technique, which I'm not a particularly big fan of.

[wordslikeknives]

Anyone else think it's ironic the album title abbreviates to FAD?

[punkrockmedic]

The lyrics on this album had more relevance to me than on any of their albums since TTTYG. Maybe it's where I am in my life, maybe it's where they are in their careers, but I actually really enjoyed and agreed with some of the things they said in some lines on FAD.
Exactly, I fell in love with them when TTTYG came out and it's like I'm falling in love all over again.

[Chris Fallon]

Anyone else think it's ironic the album title abbreviates to FAD?
Not really, considering a fad doesn't last as long as the band has.

[firecrackaaa!]

Not really, considering a fad doesn't last as long as the band has.
Hahaha. Nice.

[c_rob2700]

Actually theres was a viral FOB website made by Friends or Enemies at itsonlyafad.com
I think it's still up actually.....

But anyway i have new thoughts on this album. Yes, the first half is definetly stronger than the second half, but i have discovered that the second half is still very strong. I am absolutely falling in love with this album. Right now it's only behind TTTYG as my favorite FOB album, and i can easily seeing it passing it before the year is over. The lyrics are never clear so it forces you to actually think through them, i think they're written brilliantly. And of course Patrick's vocals are still top-notch

[ILiveInMyCar]

I have to agree with all of those people who are saying that the lyrics on this album related to a time in their life, much like TTTYG did. That first album got me through my 2nd year of med school and my life then, and now this one is helping me finish up my residency.

I do think the guest spots with Lil Wayne and Pharell (where is he in the song) could have come off a little better, but I don't they necessarily detract from the songs.

I think "w.a.m.s." could have simply ended with the faster drumming.

Great review overall Tony.

[silentblueyes]

First off - Nice review.
I have to say I love this album. It's basically been on repeat since I got it on Tuesday. I am actually a little surprised at the luke-warm reception it's been recieving though (but I guess I shouldn't be...). For me, personally, I'm sort of a TTTYG-Purist. I've been listening to this band practically since they came out but Grave always "hit home" harder then anything before it. That will probably always be my favorite FOB album and while I haven't actively disliked the two albums since, they haven't been albums that I've fully loved either. From the first spin Folie jumped right into 2nd place for me.

I've also never understood the "hate" for FOB (maybe being in the same age-brackett, and surrounded by a lot of the same experiences, has the band has helped me? Rather then being a snotty teenager who is perpetually mad at the world? Definitely don't miss those days.)

Bands need to grow and progress or they'll stagnate and break up. And call me crazy, but I'd rather have an experimental, interesting, poppy Fall Out Boy...then no Fall Out Boy at all (though I do agree that I'm dying to hear a Patrick solo project). And that's coming from a person who just saw them on Tuesday and suddenly realized "Sugar" is the big sing along...not "GTA". Yet, a mere 2 summers ago "Grand Theft Autumn" was the song the kids freaked out about. Are there new fans who probably don't even know Grave exists? (or *shock* Don't like Grave?) Yes. Is this annoying? Yes. Is it worth it (for the music)? Yes.

Ironically, I think this album actually sort of hits closer to Grave then even Cork Tree did as an overall piece of art. Despite the difference in sound and tonality - this is the first record that really flowed one song into the other almost telling an on going story like Grave did.
This record also hit me as a 25 year old, working (ok, laid off - damnit) in a dying (and hopefully ressurrected soon) music industry very much the same way Grave hit me as a 19 year old college sophmore, just starting out in a (at that time) thriving and exciting "underground" scene - but still doubting if I'd be able to do anything worthwhile with it....

Ok, I just rambled to avoid doing anything productive for a short 10 minutes...

[black hole sun]

Wow, great review Tony. Really enjoyed reading this.

I've only heard "Headfirst Slide Into Cooperstown on a Bad Bet", "What a Catch, Donnie" and "I Don't Care", which I bought as they were released on iTunes. Gonna wait until payday to go out and buy a physical copy of the album... based on what you wrote, I'm psyched :D

Hope all is well in Florida!

[driftsandpulls]

They should have made the album intro the lead single...

edit: good job on the review =]

[birtcho]

awesome album

[Rob Hrx]

Fantastic album!

[the_unbirth]

In my opinion this album is great, all Fall Out Boy albums are great, dating all the way back to Evening Out. Folie A Deux is very experimental but it's good, The Best tracks are, Disloyal Order (The Detox Just To Retox Chant ia A-Ma-Zing), Coffees For Closers, 27 (I Don't Know Why people don't like this song i think it's really catchy), 20 Dollar Nose Bleed (OMFG!) and West Coast Smoker (people say its too noisy and overproduced but i think it's great. Honorable mention to Tiffany Blews, Alex Deleon in the last chorus is hilarious. :D

[albertofernande]

20 dollar nose bleed!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

[xjdizzle]

The album is mediocre. The new sound is what brings them down. If it wasnt For Patrick Stump they'd be done for.Its a shame they wrote u bunch of good songs and did nothing with them.

[GregisXcore]

this album has a really good feeling to it which I like to embrace

[gmurdak]

great review! ill have to keep spinning the record to form my final opinion, but so far its pretty good. One thing though, i really wish the song w/ Wayne used him more. If your going to bring him onto a track let him loose, that track really was a let down. i guess i expected more.

[c_rob2700]

Now that the dust has settled i can clearly state that this is a fantastic record

[Dm!tr! the !st]

After listening to thsi for about 2 weeks I have to say I love the different moods each song brings. Each song has it's own style and I like that, didn't really notice that on my first listens.

[777BL4d3]

GREAT CD!!!!! Loved the music, loved the album cover, loved the HIDDEN TRACK! Yes, that's right, there's a hidden song before track 1, rewind from track and you should be able to hear it. I did it on an oldschool walkman that Ive had for years. But I listen to the music on my iPod of course =]

[Broclee]

GREAT CD!!!!! Loved the music, loved the album cover, loved the HIDDEN TRACK! Yes, that's right, there's a hidden song before track 1, rewind from track and you should be able to hear it. I did it on an oldschool walkman that Ive had for years. But I listen to the music on my iPod of course =]
We've all known about the hidden track for a while....

[hollyh0x815]

I've loved FOB for a long time..since the beginning pretty much, and honestly I like the new album. They're changing as a band, but what band doesn't do that? I think they did well, it's different, but they still pulled it off. And hell yeah I enjoy dancing to it in my car, it's a jammin' time

[chriskobes]

FOB has an awesome sound but all you here in their lyrics is a bunch of random words with no direction in what they are feeling. go listen to folie a duex and you will get lost in what pat is singing about. which is probably why the title of the songs arent even close to what the song is saying. but they have a great bass and guitarist which why the beginning of the songs sound so cool. i dont care is the only track that makes sense, someone else probably wrote that for them. you can relate to AAR songs much more and can actually understand what they are feeling. patty should go toke another one because i think they are stoned when they write their songs. i give folie a deux a 6 and when the world comes down an 8.

[oh...rly]

FOB has an awesome sound but all you here in their lyrics is a bunch of random words with no direction in what they are feeling. go listen to folie a duex and you will get lost in what pat is singing about. which is probably why the title of the songs arent even close to what the song is saying. but they have a great bass and guitarist which why the beginning of the songs sound so cool. i dont care is the only track that makes sense, someone else probably wrote that for them. you can relate to AAR songs much more and can actually understand what they are feeling. patty should go toke another one because i think they are stoned when they write their songs. i give folie a deux a 6 and when the world comes down an 8.

No direction in what they're feeling??? Sure you are listening to the right album...

[WhoSaidThat?]

GREAT CD!!!!! Loved the music, loved the album cover, loved the HIDDEN TRACK! Yes, that's right, there's a hidden song before track 1, rewind from track and you should be able to hear it. I did it on an oldschool walkman that Ive had for years. But I listen to the music on my iPod of course =]
lul

[sargentlgfuad]

this cd is phenomenal.
some really outstanding lyrics.

but i can't find a way to listen to lullaby, and i have the cd!
does anyone know i can get it on my iPod, or at least listen to it?

[The Personist]

FOB has an awesome sound but all you here in their lyrics is a bunch of random words with no direction in what they are feeling. go listen to folie a duex and you will get lost in what pat is singing about. which is probably why the title of the songs arent even close to what the song is saying. but they have a great bass and guitarist which why the beginning of the songs sound so cool. i dont care is the only track that makes sense, someone else probably wrote that for them. you can relate to AAR songs much more and can actually understand what they are feeling. patty should go toke another one because i think they are stoned when they write their songs. i give folie a deux a 6 and when the world comes down an 8.
Fail. You suck at listening to music, then.

[josepablo32]

FOB has an awesome sound but all you here in their lyrics is a bunch of random words with no direction in what they are feeling. go listen to folie a duex and you will get lost in what pat is singing about. which is probably why the title of the songs arent even close to what the song is saying. but they have a great bass and guitarist which why the beginning of the songs sound so cool. i dont care is the only track that makes sense, someone else probably wrote that for them. you can relate to AAR songs much more and can actually understand what they are feeling. patty should go toke another one because i think they are stoned when they write their songs. i give folie a deux a 6 and when the world comes down an 8.
You can't interpret anything then. That's what lyrics are for, not just to follow them,but for you to dig them, go deeper and deeper into them, find the writer's meaning and also your own. Same goes for the titles.

[Broclee]

FOB has an awesome sound but all you here in their lyrics is a bunch of random words with no direction in what they are feeling. go listen to folie a duex and you will get lost in what pat is singing about. which is probably why the title of the songs arent even close to what the song is saying. but they have a great bass and guitarist which why the beginning of the songs sound so cool. i dont care is the only track that makes sense, someone else probably wrote that for them. you can relate to AAR songs much more and can actually understand what they are feeling. patty should go toke another one because i think they are stoned when they write their songs. i give folie a deux a 6 and when the world comes down an 8.
No...just....no.

[FallOutFreak27]

The Lyrics should have gotten a higher score

[Akissforher]

by far their worst album, highly dissapointed.

but thats just me.

[patrickstump728]

How could you not like this album? I thought it was absolutely mind blowing. Best one they've ever done. Though, I love all of their albums.

But tell me this: Why is everyone so keen on Take This To Your Grave? Personally, that's my least favorite album. Why? Because it's not as original as the other albums. It sometimes felt like I was listening to the same song over and over again.

Also, I don't think you can put a lable on Fall Out Boy. That's right, Fall Out Boy doesn't have a genre. I think they should have a genre to themselves. That's how amazingly unique they are.

Hmmmm... favorite song off the album? That's a tough one. I guess one of my faves is 27. Can't believe you guys didn't talk about that one. Love it. But also, hasn't anyone heard the hidden bonus track, Lullaby? It's such a sweet song, Pete wrote it for Bronx.

What? Patrick only has an eight on vocals? How is that even possible? Were you even listening to the songs at all? Now, his vocals have always been amazing, but he really out did himself this time. The vocals on What A Catch Donnie and America's Suitehearts send chills up and down my spine.

Last note before I shut up: Check out Pavlove if you got the delux edition of the CD. It's also a great song. It's a shame that it was only a B side.

[3eb23]

i don't think i'll ever be able to get into this album. i've tried a few times without success. it's kind of sad but this sound just doesn't interest me or hold my attention like it used to.

[WhoSaidThat?]

i don't think i'll ever be able to get into this album. i've tried a few times without success. it's kind of sad but this sound just doesn't interest me or hold my attention like it used to.
I don't have the same problem, but I honestly know where you're coming from.

[chelseaxsmilexD]

Fall Out Boy has found their niche in writing pop music that is both catchy and a bit different each time.

When I was listening to AAR, all I could think about was how much it sounded like Good Charlotte and Simple Plan's new material.
Which is a horrendous standard for any band.

[chelseaxsmilexD]

Besides Take This To Your Grave, From Under The Cork Tree, FOB's A Night Out With Your Girlfriend, and Infinity On High this is their best album.


The only good song off this album is Headfirst Slide Into Cooperstown On A Bad Bet.

[chelseaxsmilexD]

Fall Out Boy have always been a pop band.
Take This To Your Grave was complete pop-punk. F.U.T.C.T was mainstream pop-punk. I.O.H. was pop and so is this album. It's saddening to see a change from "Saturday" and "I Slept With Someone In Fall Out Boy and All I Got Was This Stupid Song Written About Me." to "I'm like A Lawyer The Way I Keep Putting You Off" and "America's Suitehearts."

[chelseaxsmilexD]

Lil Wayne? guh.

I'll admit I am writing off this album before even listening to it. I'm sure I'll like a few songs, but I don't want hip hop anywhere near my underproduced pop punk, so it sounds like this is a little outside of my tastes. I'll take up that amazon deal though.

Also, I really want Patrick to start a solo career, stat.
i desise his vocals live... it's completely made in the studio.

[Broclee]

Besides Take This To Your Grave, From Under The Cork Tree, FOB's A Night Out With Your Girlfriend, and Infinity On High this is their best album.


The only good song off this album is Headfirst Slide Into Cooperstown On A Bad Bet.
That's just not even true.

[chelseaxsmilexD]

That's just not even true.
my opinion. America's Suitehearts was boring. She's My Winona was okay at best. Ummm... that Donnie one wasn't striking my interests until one of the guest performances, and i forget which one so that shows how much i like the song. i don't care was so mainstream and generic.,... erggg

[Broclee]

my opinion. America's Suitehearts was boring. She's My Winona was okay at best. Ummm... that Donnie one wasn't striking my interests until one of the guest performances, and i forget which one so that shows how much i like the song. i don't care was so mainstream and generic.,... erggg
It's musically the best they've ever recorded, and I think that lyrically it's also the best.
:shrug:

[chelseaxsmilexD]

It's musically the best they've ever recorded, and I think that lyrically it's also the best.
:shrug:
di du not hear the amazing arpeggios that were downplayed in F.U.T.C.T.? Like in Champagne.... I Slept With... Sophomore...
The lyrics seem a little less personal now, but less retarded in ways. "i've found the cure to growing older." plz share

[Broclee]

di du not hear the amazing arpeggios that were downplayed in F.U.T.C.T.? Like in Champagne.... I Slept With... Sophomore...
The lyrics seem a little less personal now, but less retarded in ways. "i've found the cure to growing older." plz share
FAD has more layers and more complex music than anything else, it's beautiful. As for the lyrics, that's just a point of personal preference for me, but I'm referring to FAD, not FUCT.