PC or Mac?

[BackInTheJox]

Which one do you like better? I like Macs waaaay better. I have a 1.42 GHz Mac Mini with 512 MB of RAM. It is so fast that Photoshop opens in less than a second. I also have a 1.5 GHz PC with 2 GB of RAM and I can only download spyware with it. Seriously.

[Love As Arson]

I prefer Macs, as there is no problem with viruses. The majority of people here use PC's, so I doubt Macs are going to win this one.

[when 4ever ends]

I prefer Macs, as there is no problem with viruses. The majority of people here use PC's, so I doubt Macs are going to win this one.
if the question is what one do you prefer.. mac i think will win

thats what i voted for, but i use a pc :(

[BackInTheJox]

if the question is what one do you prefer.. mac i think will win

thats what i voted for, but i use a pc :(

You should visit http://www.wincustomize.com/ (wincustomize.com) for ways to make your PC look just like a Mac for $50 and not slowing it down. And, Mac Minis are really cheap with a student discount. I reccomend upgrading the RAM to 512 MB, though.

[when 4ever ends]

You should visit http://www.wincustomize.com/ (wincustomize.com) for ways to make your PC look just like a Mac for $50 and not slowing it down. And, Mac Minis are really cheap with a student discount. I reccomend upgrading the RAM to 512 MB, though.
how much is a mini with a discount?.. i just got a shitload of birthday money

and i have object dock.. and a mac skin frmo style xp or windows blinds whatever it is

[BackInTheJox]

how much is a mini with a discount?.. i just got a shitload of birthday money

and i have object dock.. and a mac skin frmo style xp or windows blinds whatever it is


$524 for a 1.25 GHz Mac Mini with 512 MB of RAM. It has free shipping. It doesn't include a monitor, but you can use one you already own as long as it is VGA or DVI. It doesn't matter how old it is. I'm using a 17" monitor from 1993 and it works perfectly. You won't get a lot of more speed by buying a 1.42 GHz, but you HAVE TO upgrade the RAM. Also, you can overclock it to up to 1.58 GHz.

[Kif]

I prefer my PC, purely because I'm used to it. We use Macs at the studio at school, and I find it very quirky and awkward to use. I'm sure if I got used to it though, I could think it's better. I hear they are great for media

http://www.ctrlaltdel-online.com/images/comics/20050608.jpg

[BackInTheJox]

I prefer my PC, purely because I'm used to it. We use Macs at the studio at school, and I find it very quirky and awkward to use. I'm sure if I got used to it though, I could think it's better. I hear they are great for media

http://www.ctrlaltdel-online.com/images/comics/20050608.jpg


Go into your nearest Apple Retail store. You'll immediately change your mind once you try out one of the computers. Trust me. OS X Tiger is amazing. I think every version below Panther is a little weird. Also, Apple has amazing support. They'll replace your computer for free if they can't fix it and it is still under the warranty, but you can always extend it for just $100 with a student discount.

BTW, in that comic, the computer is a PowerMac G4.... those are like 5 years old and run OS 9, unless if you upgrade.

[Vincewithouthee]

PC fo sho.

[BackInTheJox]

Aah.... PCs are winning! That's complete BS!

PC fo sho.

Ha, you can't even spell correctly and you listen to the Backstreet Boys. :animateds

[Trainsaw]

PC's most def.

[when 4ever ends]

Go into your nearest Apple Retail store. You'll immediately change your mind once you try out one of the computers. Trust me. OS X Tiger is amazing. I think every version below Panther is a little weird. Also, Apple has amazing support. They'll replace your computer for free if they can't fix it and it is still under the warranty, but you can always extend it for just $100 with a student discount.

BTW, in that comic, the computer is a PowerMac G4.... those are like 5 years old and run OS 9, unless if you upgrade.

dude i agree.. i had to use like OS 9 in my summer school what a piece of junk it was so cunfusing, but then my friend got an ibook and it had a dock and the buttons were similar (he had panther).. it was really good and a lot easier to use then those emacs at summer school ..

but yeah we used to use macs at my house like version 2 .. i dont know oneof the earliest ones.. it was a apple quadra. with like 3 mb of ram.. then we met windows 95. and now my family wants to switch to mac becaue its compatable with windows now and its a better and safer OS

[xchug chug chug]

I only used mac in school, but never really did anything on it...so i don't really know what does mac has to offer.
so PC is my choice

[THEfall of Kyle]

yeah, honestly
i have a pc, but macs are sooooo much better

im getting a mini mac pretty soon

[when 4ever ends]

windows never comes up with anything original.. when the new windows OS comes out it will be such a rip off of tiger

[BackInTheJox]

PC's most def.

What is it with PC users and spelling???

[when 4ever ends]

What is it with PC users and spelling???
leik tHt iss suchhhhhh a g00d ?!

[Trainsaw]

What is it with PC users and spelling???

its an abbreviation

[BackInTheJox]

its an abbreviation


Yeah, mhm, sure.

[when 4ever ends]

althoth what i really desire is this

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v645/avertdisaster/carbon.jpg
http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v645/avertdisaster/Jet_Black.jpg

or

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v645/avertdisaster/midnight.jpg

[BackInTheJox]

althoth what i really desire is this

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v645/avertdisaster/carbon.jpg
http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v645/avertdisaster/Jet_Black.jpg

or

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v645/avertdisaster/midnight.jpg

My iPod is black (not U2)

[when 4ever ends]

nice i wana send mine in for this paint job

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v645/avertdisaster/midnight-smoke.jpg

[TheMan]

Macs are better. Reliable. No Virus's. Simple.Aesthetic.

[Rebs]

i have a mac at one house, a pc at the other. i hate the mac. its such a giant piece of crap. ahhh. it keeps going haywire.

[slickwataris]

I like PC.

[Scott Weber]

windows never comes up with anything original.. when the new windows OS comes out it will be such a rip off of tiger
Except that Longhorn has been in production far longer than Tiger has been out. PCs > Macs simply because of compatibility and the fact that you can do so much more on a PC. Macs are easy, and you don't get viruses, sure...but if you're smart, you'll have virus protection on your PC anyways and it won't be a problem. The Mac OS is pretty, but everything takes longer to do.

I'll take capability over an aesthetic look any day of the week. Trend setters seem to be the ones keeping apple in business.

[Jerm]

Macs are superior to pcs in many ways but macs are just so expensive, but i still voted mac

[when 4ever ends]

Except that Longhorn has been in production far longer than Tiger has been out. PCs > Macs simply because of compatibility and the fact that you can do so much more on a PC. Macs are easy, and you don't get viruses, sure...but if you're smart, you'll have virus protection on your PC anyways and it won't be a problem. The Mac OS is pretty, but everything takes longer to do.

I'll take capability over an aesthetic look any day of the week. Trend setters seem to be the ones keeping apple in business.

compatibilty is a lot better between mac and windows..and macs are better for graphics/music/photo editing and on a mac you dont need virus protection

[AShannon04]

I prefer Macs by far

[ThoseAnarchPunx]

I prefer my PC, purely because I'm used to it. We use Macs at the studio at school, and I find it very quirky and awkward to use. I'm sure if I got used to it though, I could think it's better. I hear they are great for media

http://www.ctrlaltdel-online.com/images/comics/20050608.jpg


you know, why don't you get out of your moms house and into the real world. Go use a mac for five minutes and find out what a real computer is like. If you're too lazy to do so, just think about the top 10% of all video makers, even students in film school. Take a poll there...do you think one person is going to use an obsolete IBM computer. Apple has taken over the media world when it comes to art. So I guess if this pole is for the people who want to go out, spend a small amount of money on a cheapo consumer computer so they can talk on AIM, then go buy a PC. Want a computer that you can use to actually do something with your life? Go buy a mac.

[mrskinnyarms]

you know, why don't you get out of your moms house and into the real world. Go use a mac for five minutes and find out what a real computer is like. If you're too lazy to do so, just think about the top 10% of all video makers, even students in film school. Take a poll there...do you think one person is going to use an obsolete IBM computer. Apple has taken over the media world when it comes to art. So I guess if this pole is for the people who want to go out, spend a small amount of money on a cheapo consumer computer so they can talk on AIM, then go buy a PC. Want a computer that you can use to actually do something with your life? Go buy a mac.
amen.

[AsianPunker]

macs are very incompatible. hard to upgrade. and when they say "these mac programs are cross-platformed"...half the time its not true. i do my work at home on a pc and go to uni and nothing works.

[ThoseAnarchPunx]

macs are very incompatible. hard to upgrade. and when they say "these mac programs are cross-platformed"...half the time its not true. i do my work at home on a pc and go to uni and nothing works.
i have to admit, for the mainstream business world, pcs surpass macs only because Bill Gates was able to steal the idea of the computer better, and was able to monopolize the computer industry.

[CircaEnder]

Yeah, mhm, sure.
whats up with mac users and being so damn smug about it?
its not that special.. Tiger is a great os.. but i dont understand how you can be so proud of using a apple comps..they arnt as good as pcs.

[Alex Djaferis]

i prefer using PC just because im not too knowledgable with MACs. Although I started using OS10 at work sometimes...and so far the MAC is far superior.

if your a gamer, your gonna get an AMD Athlon PC. If you use graphic tools more then anything else, MAC is for you

[IAmCountryMusic]

pc because i hate using macs. i had to use them at school and my sister has one.

macs may be more attractive, but they arent as user friendly as a pc.

[Kif]

you know, why don't you get out of your moms house and into the real world. Go use a mac for five minutes and find out what a real computer is like. If you're too lazy to do so, just think about the top 10% of all video makers, even students in film school. Take a poll there...do you think one person is going to use an obsolete IBM computer. Apple has taken over the media world when it comes to art. So I guess if this pole is for the people who want to go out, spend a small amount of money on a cheapo consumer computer so they can talk on AIM, then go buy a PC. Want a computer that you can use to actually do something with your life? Go buy a mac.
So basically, you just told me in a quite obnoxious rant what I already knew; that Macs are better for media?

In the end man, it's just a computer. My PC is fine, it does everything I want it to. Sadly, I do not have enough money for a decent media kit like Pro Tools so I can record music well, and sadly I do not have enough money for your precious Mac. If I did, you'd be damn sure I'd get one. The Mac and the PC have both good and bad qualities, so don't judge a Mac as if it has no bad qualities

[sweethypocrisy]

Pc

[TJ Wells]

pc

[BackInTheJox]

Wow... someone here doesn't use computers.

[MrChainsaw389]

Wow... someone here doesn't use computers.
ESP mothafucka....no I voted PC.

[THEfall of Kyle]

i believe we should call Mr. Tyson Soelberg to the stands

[marrost]

i believe we should call Mr. Tyson Soelberg to the stands
Who the hell is that?

[Scott Weber]

you know, why don't you get out of your moms house and into the real world. Go use a mac for five minutes and find out what a real computer is like. If you're too lazy to do so, just think about the top 10% of all video makers, even students in film school. Take a poll there...do you think one person is going to use an obsolete IBM computer. Apple has taken over the media world when it comes to art. So I guess if this pole is for the people who want to go out, spend a small amount of money on a cheapo consumer computer so they can talk on AIM, then go buy a PC. Want a computer that you can use to actually do something with your life? Go buy a mac.

I use a Mac. All the time. At work. It's a piece of fucking shit. I can't do anything on it. The minute you know how to use a REAL computer, you're insanely limited by Macs. Way to bring up Macs for video making - that's ONE aspect that Macs do better. It's the ONLY one Mac users ever bring up, because there's nothing else. what do you think programmers use? PCs. What is the most code written for and on? PC. I have used both systems a lot, and PCs are far superior - don't act like all PC users are ignorant about stuff. If anything, it's Mac users that are ignorant, simply because Macs are easy to use, they're cute, and they get the job done. If that's all you want, FINE. That doesn't make it a better/more powerful computer.

Nobody has mentioned this either, but if you're a computer gamer, you can pretty much kiss Macs goodbye because of the compatibility issue..

Also - who SELLS computers with mouses with ONE click button? are you kidding me? That is proof that the main demographic that Apple sells to are people who want simplicity over performance.

[dretti]

i love my mac

but scott is right, i have not played counter-strike in a year which causes me sadness

[heyRomanticA__x]

Ah..when will people see that they don't have to settle
for Bill Gates and his crap.

Mac/ Linux /build your own.

[ThoseAnarchPunx]

I use a Mac. All the time. At work. It's a piece of fucking shit. I can't do anything on it. The minute you know how to use a REAL computer, you're insanely limited by Macs. Way to bring up Macs for video making - that's ONE aspect that Macs do better. It's the ONLY one Mac users ever bring up, because there's nothing else. what do you think programmers use? PCs. What is the most code written for and on? PC. I have used both systems a lot, and PCs are far superior - don't act like all PC users are ignorant about stuff. If anything, it's Mac users that are ignorant, simply because Macs are easy to use, they're cute, and they get the job done. If that's all you want, FINE. That doesn't make it a better/more powerful computer.

Nobody has mentioned this either, but if you're a computer gamer, you can pretty much kiss Macs goodbye because of the compatibility issue..

Also - who SELLS computers with mouses with ONE click button? are you kidding me? That is proof that the main demographic that Apple sells to are people who want simplicity over performance.
alright, so if you want to go play your little kiddy games head out to best buy and buy a nice family PC

[Kif]

alright, so if you want to go play your little kiddy games head out to best buy and buy a nice family PC
What kind of argument is that? It's not even an argument

You implied that he played "kiddy games", and then told him to buy a "family pc" at Best Buy. How the fuck does that say the Macs are better than PCs? Do me a favour and get the fuck out of this shit for a thread

[ThoseAnarchPunx]

What kind of argument is that? It's not even an argument

You implied that he played "kiddy games", and then told him to buy a "family pc" at Best Buy. How the fuck does that say the Macs are better than PCs? Do me a favour and get the fuck out of this shit for a thread
if you actually read what I said and maybe took the time out of your busy life and read what I quoted you would have seen that the person I quoted stated that "Nobody has mentioned this either, but if you're a computer gamer, you can pretty much kiss Macs goodbye because of the compatibility issue.." so why don't you read up before you start accusing me of saying something that has no relevence to the issue at hand

[heyRomanticA__x]

Screw what I said earlier..they both have their drawbacks. But if Macs were
more well known, then maybe more software (games..) would be made for them

[ThoseAnarchPunx]

Screw what I said earlier..they both have their drawbacks. But if Macs were
more well known, then maybe more software (games..) would be made for them
this is possibly the best point I have seen on this thread yet. If Macs licenced their stuff to anyone that wanted it (like windows did) then maybe there WOULD be more software out there for macs. But Apple wanted to maintain dignity and consistency with their products, so they make them all themselves.

[Scott Weber]

"Want to know the difference between Mac OS and Windows? Put a piece of software in your computer. If it runs, it's Windows."

- Bill Gates

[ethicka]

Mac users are obsessed with their computers (e.g. myself and everyone else with an apple). Go ahead and buy a PC for college kids. The people with Apple's will be the only ones who never visit IT. Trust me. I saw it happen.

And yes Tiger is fucking amazing and I got it for free from School.

[allofmeoliveme]

Pc.

[mrskinnyarms]

What? Windows is unstable? It sucks with networking? It has a shitty development environment for programming and design work? Not to mention you can develop applications for PC on the mac

A computer is first a tool and a toy second.

And Macs are hard to upgrade? What the fuck are you talking about. I could upgrade my Mac's video card, processor, RAM, hard drive, network card, you name it in a snap.

I use 3 operating systems. Mac OS X, Linux, and Windows. Mac is my favorite. Linux is my server. And I don't trust Windows with anything beyond gaming.

[ummmmmmmmm182]

I use a crappy PC, though I like Macs better...

[ThoseAnarchPunx]

What? Windows is unstable? It sucks with networking? It has a shitty development environment for programming and design work? Not to mention you can develop applications for PC on the mac

A computer is first a tool and a toy second.

And Macs are hard to upgrade? What the fuck are you talking about. I could upgrade my Mac's video card, processor, RAM, hard drive, network card, you name it in a snap.

I use 3 operating systems. Mac OS X, Linux, and Windows. Mac is my favorite. Linux is my server. And I don't trust Windows with anything beyond gaming.
theres someone with a little common sense in this thread. The only argument PC users seem to have is that most of the US uses PCs and theres more software compatible with it...even though its the most unstable piece of shit ever invented

[Kif]

this is possibly the best point I have seen on this thread yet. If Macs licenced their stuff to anyone that wanted it (like windows did) then maybe there WOULD be more software out there for macs. But Apple wanted to maintain dignity and consistency with their products, so they make them all themselves.
Dignity and consistency? This is the same company that has re-released the Apple iPod in so many ways it's fucking ridiculous, and you are telling me Apple don't want to lose dignity by licensing software?

For fucks sake, you realize that this company is a company because they want to make money? So making software for the Mac would in turn get them money, right?

[sunpoison]

Macs. SO much more user-friendly. *pets iBook*

[ajackwithoneeye]

I prefer mac's, but I'll probably always stick with a pc purely for compatibility. Most software/hardware is made for Windows.

[Scott Weber]

Macs. SO much more user-friendly. *pets iBook*
*rolls eyes* - learn how to use a real computer instead of settling for the oversimplicity of a mac.

[Jesse2]

Way to bring up Macs for video making - that's ONE aspect that Macs do better. It's the ONLY one Mac users ever bring up, because there's nothing else. what do you think programmers use? PCs. What is the most code written for and on? PC. I have used both systems a lot, and PCs are far superior - don't act like all PC users are ignorant about stuff. If anything, it's Mac users that are ignorant, simply because Macs are easy to use, they're cute, and they get the job done. If that's all you want, FINE. That doesn't make it a better/more powerful computer.


As a matter of fact, there is a lot of programming done on macs. Definitely not more than on a PC, but what you stated is a common misconception.

In my scripting for visual fx/programming class (masters program at NYU) we used macs and didn't encounter one problem the entire semester. That was until we moved to the PC lab where NYU had installed Pixar's Renderman. The entire class had nothing but problems, and almost all of my classmates were strict pc users. The professor who taught the class was one of the lead programmers for Blue Sky Studios, working on "Robots". He does all of this work on a mac, and he said that nobody at Blue Sky uses windows.

You don't like macs, and that's fine, I'm not knocking you for that. I had a job that put me on a pc 40-70 hours a week, and I hated it. It's all personal preference. It is true that if you're a hardcore gamer you have little choice but to run it on a pc, due to available titles for the mac platform. It is, however not a performance issue at all.

The bottom line is, this debate could go on forever. It all comes down to what you feel most comfortable using.

[JuneRock]

Macs are great machines but if you don't use a PC with shitty ass Windows XP on it, then you've never lived lol...

[when 4ever ends]

if macs made programs more compatable then they would hold more of the market shate. im not a genuis but now tha tmacs moved to intel processors.. will it be easier to make progreams more compatable for macs? i know there different operating systems but certian programs hve to work with processors too

[Jesse2]

*rolls eyes* - learn how to use a real computer instead of settling for the oversimplicity of a mac.

A real computer? I'd put money on my computer smoking 99% of the computers used by kids on this site, with my "toy" mac.

And, since when is simplicity a bad thing? Why should using a computer be a challenge?

[Scott Weber]

As a matter of fact, there is a lot of programming done on macs. Definitely not more than on a PC, but what you stated is a common misconception.

In my scripting for visual fx/programming class (masters program at NYU) we used macs and didn't encounter one problem the entire semester. That was until we moved to the PC lab where NYU had installed Pixar's Renderman. The entire class had nothing but problems, and almost all of my classmates were strict pc users. The professor who taught the class was one of the lead programmers for Blue Sky Studios, working on "Robots". He does all of this work on a mac, and he said that nobody at Blue Sky uses windows.

You don't like macs, and that's fine, I'm not knocking you for that. I had a job that put me on a pc 40-70 hours a week, and I hated it. It's all personal preference. It is true that if you're a hardcore gamer you have little choice but to run it on a pc, due to available titles for the mac platform. It is, however not a performance issue at all.

The bottom line is, this debate could go on forever. It all comes down to what you feel most comfortable using.
respect. I just hate the mac OS..i can't get used to it. Plus, everything takes so much longer on a Mac. My Maxthon browser has so many customized mouse action things on it, I have hotkeys set up everywhere, its just like...sure it's easy to use, but I already know how to use a PC so to me, it feels dumbed down.

[Jesse2]

respect. I just hate the mac OS..i can't get used to it. Plus, everything takes so much longer on a Mac. My Maxthon browser has so many customized mouse action things on it, I have hotkeys set up everywhere, its just like...sure it's easy to use, but I already know how to use a PC so to me, it feels dumbed down.

See, that i can respect 100%. I have the same thing set up with my mac. It's perfect for what i need (3D, Special FX, Video, Graphics, etc), and it is set up amazingly well. I will never knock someone for liking their PC more, but I feel like too many people don't give macs a chance because of shit they hear from pc people, that's all.

The mac os is perfect for my mom, who is unbelievably terrible with computers, but it offers plenty for a high-end user, such as myself.

respeck!

[Scott Weber]

See, that i can respect 100%. I have the same thing set up with my mac. It's perfect for what i need (3D, Special FX, Video, Graphics, etc), and it is set up amazingly well. I will never knock someone for liking their PC more, but I feel like too many people don't give macs a chance because of shit they hear from pc people, that's all.

The mac os is perfect for my mom, who is unbelievably terrible with computers, but it offers plenty for a high-end user, such as myself.

respeck!
Once the Mac has the same compatibility as a PC, I will give it a more serious look. But I use Macs on a regular basis and just can't get into it.

[Avert disaster]

Linux!

[Vanity__Dearest]

i chose i don't use computers....cuz it's funny...i'm getting an ibook as soon as i start paying off the payments...so late this month...the memory and sheer fact that it runs super flawless, is reason enough to pick mac...just cuz ur impartial to pc's doesn't mean that they work better.

[GoodCoreRecords]

Macs all the way. I've never been happier with a computer and I'm a programmer. I use the thing everyday. It just works and it works the way I think it should work. You can't beat that. On top of it all it looks cool. :)

[Vanity__Dearest]

and as of late, you can get a great ibook with an apple credit card ,and lease it off...for 40 or so dollars a month, i can own an ibook, and it will help with my audio recording.

[VinnyVegas]

Macs simply can not compete with my 3.2ghz P4, and 4gigs of RAM. Also, I have never had a virus/spyware in the last 9 years. People who complain about PC's simply do not know how to use them correctly.

Macs are subpar machines with a strong cult following. The whole "Macs are for graphics" statement is pile of bullshit. They are not specifically designed for graphics, they are designed to look cute for all of the fashion/trend whores.

[GoodCoreRecords]

Macs simply can not compete with my 3.2ghz P4, and 4gigs of RAM. Also, I have never had a virus/spyware in the last 9 years. People who complain about PC's simply do not know how to use them correctly.

Macs are subpar machines with a strong cult following. The whole "Macs are for graphics" statement is pile of bullshit. They are not specifically designed for graphics, they are designed to look cute for all of the fashion/trend whores.

Microsoft Windows has so many security holes you have to be mighty lucky not to get any viruses or other problems. Mac OSX is so streamlined and powerful compared to Windows its a joke to even put one up against the other. That's not just my opinion since I use a Mac, since I've used and currently use both platforms, that's quickly becoming an industry wide opinion. My Mac doesn't break, doesn't stop working, doesn't display the good ol' blue screen of death, doesn't do anything Windows does all too often. It simply works and is easy to use.

Not to mention when I want to edit a movie I can, when I want to upload pictures from my digital camera I can just plug it in and download those pictures. I don't have to fool with drivers or anything of the sort. Now, I know how to do that so for me it wouldn't be a problem but that said I shouldn't have to.

Funny enough too Microsoft Office for Mac OSX is better than the PC version.

[VinnyVegas]

Microsoft Windows has so many security holes you have to be mighty lucky not to get any viruses or other problems. Mac OSX is so streamlined and powerful compared to Windows its a joke to even put one up against the other. That's not just my opinion since I use a Mac, since I've used and currently use both platforms, that's quickly becoming an industry wide opinion. My Mac doesn't break, doesn't stop working, doesn't display the good ol' blue screen of death, doesn't do anything Windows does all too often. It simply works and is easy to use.

Not to mention when I want to edit a movie I can, when I want to upload pictures from my digital camera I can just plug it in and download those pictures. I don't have to fool with drivers or anything of the sort. Now, I know how to do that so for me it wouldn't be a problem but that said I shouldn't have to.

Funny enough too Microsoft Office for Mac OSX is better than the PC version.

MAC OS10 is no more secure than Microsoft WindowsXP SP2. Both of the operating systems have an equal amount of bugs http://www.securityfocus.com (check the vulnerabilities section). Many of the issues concerning security have been dealt with, with the release of SP2.

I also think that all of the crap that manufacturers pre-install on new PCs causes a lot of problems. People who build there own systems (me included) never seem to have any of the issues/problems that you bring up.

MAC OSX is not nearly as perfect as everyone makes it out to be. However, with the advent of http://www.pcmag.com/article2/0,1759,1824704,00.asp , I must admit that they will dominate Windows based machines.

[Avert disaster]

i kno this is little off topic, but 3 of the top pc companies wanted to license apple OS tiger (read it a while ago.. if i find the link i will post it) but of course, apple said no. this is what i dont understand about apple, why did they reject that offer, it would probally have let the mac os rule more of the market

[GoodCoreRecords]

MAC OS10 is no more secure than Microsoft WindowsXP SP2. Both of the operating systems have an equal amount of bugs http://www.securityfocus.com (check the vulnerabilities section). Many of the issues concerning security have been dealt with, with the release of SP2.

I also think that all of the crap that manufacturers pre-install on new PCs causes a lot of problems. People who build there own systems (me included) never seem to have any of the issues/problems that you bring up.

MAC OSX is not nearly as perfect as everyone makes it out to be. However, with the advent of http://www.pcmag.com/article2/0,1759,1824704,00.asp , I must admit that they will dominate Windows based machines.

The majority of people don't babysit their systems to make sure IIS isn't running rampant or IE is all updated or even if they're on the newest service packs, which for NT there was like 108. (ok really there was 6) They turn it on, surf porn, download random attachments and do generally dumb things. Now, maybe Mac users on the whole don't do that and it helps with the reputation. For ease of use, Macs are far better day-in, day-out than any PC.

Point is, for an everyday Joe Schmoe user, Mac OSX is perfect as compared to Windows. For an everyday computer things just work. Now there's bugs and flaws and problems, sure. Granted the market is less and that could contribute to Mac lack of press for flaws, that said I've used both, I continue to use both and the amount of random crap I have to deal with on Windows is plainly unacceptable.

[Jesse2]

Macs simply can not compete with my 3.2ghz P4, and 4gigs of RAM.

Macs are subpar machines with a strong cult following. The whole "Macs are for graphics" statement is pile of bullshit. They are not specifically designed for graphics, they are designed to look cute for all of the fashion/trend whores.

Oh really?
http://images.apple.com/powermac/performance/images/photoshop20050427.jpg

[BackInTheJox]

Now let's continue.

[when 4ever ends]

Oh really?
http://images.apple.com/powermac/performance/images/photoshop20050427.jpg
pwnt

[Tanooki Suit]

I love how all the Apple users tout their operating system and say how unoriginal Microsoft is, when OSX would not exist if not for the fact it's a pretty graphical interface of unix.