Rumored T&N Signing

[Jason Tate]

Rumor is The Classic Crime (http://www.theclassiccrime.com) has signed to Tooth and Nail Records.

[maledixtion]

Why is this a rumor? You have a T&N employee on staff, you should have this as a verifiable fact. In fact, why doesn't Scott fill us in on tracklistings, signings and other news before any one else knows about them? You have an edge, you should use it.

[Frank Giaramita]

I've been recommending this band for months... I'm happy they're finally getting recognition. Also, in response to Maledixtion, a lot of our "rumor" posts are just posted as rumors bc we'd get in trouble with the label if we actually posted it as fact. Not to say that's the case in this instance... but in general, yeah.

http://www.absolutepunk.net/showthread.php?t=63913
http://www.absolutepunk.net/showthread.php?t=67220

[maledixtion]

Also, in response to Maledixtion, a lot of our "rumor" posts are just posted as rumors bc we'd get in trouble with the label if we actually posted it as fact. Not to say that's the case in this instance... but in general, yeah.

Thanks, that's what I assumed, but I think Scott should post these, so even though he says "rumored", we all understand that he has the inside scoop. Kind of a winkwinknudgenudge sort of thing.

[KevInept]

This band is good.

[smalltownsburn]

This band impresses me, haven't had that happen for awhile.

[MoneyMaker]

signing to labels like tooth and nail, drivethru/rushmore, victory mean almost nothing anymore. All the labels just sign w/e is half decent(i actually never heard this band but referring to how many bands labels sign now and quality in general) budget accordingly so that they won't lose money and if one out of 30 bands get big they consider it a success and all the other bands get no promo or are just dropped. fuck indie labels are almost becoming like major.

[Jason Tate]

signing to labels like tooth and nail, drivethru/rushmore, victory mean almost nothing anymore. All the labels just sign w/e is half decent(i actually never heard this band but referring to how many bands labels sign now and quality in general) budget accordingly so that they won't lose money and if one out of 30 bands get big they consider it a success and all the other bands get no promo or are just dropped. fuck indie labels are almost becoming like major.
Okay, I won't comment on the other labels - but this is PURE bullshit about Tooth and Nail .. because they really care about the bands they sign .. I know for a fact.

[irthesteve]

hmmm, this band actually has some potential... i like

[weworemasks]

Okay, I won't comment on the other labels - but this is PURE bullshit about Tooth and Nail .. because they really care about the bands they sign .. I know for a fact.

you can tell by the countless amazing bands on their roster. same goes with solid state. even though both labels have a few bands i dont particularly like, they are the best indie label in "the scene" in my opinion. fucking solid.

[Sink2TheBeat]

still tippin'

dude mike jones rules, that shit gets me so pumped for some reason...
i don't understand half of his slang, i know this is off the subject, but since you're from houston, can you tell me what "purple drink" is?

[dumbcorey]

hmmm, this band actually has some potential... i like

most bands on this label doo

T&N taking over the world

[pleasedontpanic]

Tooth and Nail is hands down one of the greatest labels of all time. their variety is unlike any other label. they're the best of the best.

[AreTwoKay]

you can tell by the countless amazing bands on their roster. same goes with solid state. even though both labels have a few bands i dont particularly like, they are the best indie label in "the scene" in my opinion. fucking solid.
Agreed

[watashi-revenge]

Okay, I won't comment on the other labels - but this is PURE bullshit about Tooth and Nail .. because they really care about the bands they sign .. I know for a fact.

Sometimes with Tooth and Nail it seems like they have around 3 cd's come out around the same time and whichever band starts selling the most theyll throw all their money into them. I know some bands like The Fighting Jacks and Watashi Wa hardly ever got promotion by the label, and now theyre gone, well Seth is still there but you get the idea.

[christianP]

dude mike jones rules, that shit gets me so pumped for some reason...
i don't understand half of his slang, i know this is off the subject, but since you're from houston, can you tell me what "purple drink" is?

Purple drink, or just Purple, is southern slang for mixing robotussin in with sprite and jolly ranchers, there are alot of variations but basically it's like that. You hear that alot in southern rap songs, although the people I know who are actually crazy enough to do it just drink the robuotussin straight.

signing to labels like tooth and nail, drivethru/rushmore, victory mean almost nothing anymore. All the labels just sign w/e is half decent(i actually never heard this band but referring to how many bands labels sign now and quality in general) budget accordingly so that they won't lose money and if one out of 30 bands get big they consider it a success and all the other bands get no promo or are just dropped. fuck indie labels are almost becoming like major.

This isn't totally true for all the indy's IMO, just a certain few (cough Victory cough)

[dontfront]

yep its true... true true true. Congrats homedawgssszzzz

[intoyourarms]

dude mike jones rules, that shit gets me so pumped for some reason...
i don't understand half of his slang, i know this is off the subject, but since you're from houston, can you tell me what "purple drink" is?
all i hear these days is MIKE JONES MIKE JONES. i hate that shit. i was always like who is mike jones and none the less they have whoismikejones.com wtf. that dude really brainwashed some people into a damn good promotion for himself.

[maledixtion]

Sometimes with Tooth and Nail it seems like they have around 3 cd's come out around the same time and whichever band starts selling the most theyll throw all their money into them. I know some bands like The Fighting Jacks and Watashi Wa hardly ever got promotion by the label, and now theyre gone, well Seth is still there but you get the idea.
Holland, Slow Coming Day, Watashi Wa, Mae, and Anberlin were all signed at the same time. Only Mae was promoted. Anberlin's second release was finally promoted, but their debut wasn't pushed very hard.

[bnrocks]

rumor is...tooth and nail will sign any band

for example...i have two friends (in two different bands) that were signed by tooth and nail.

[weworemasks]

Purple drink, or just Purple, is southern slang for mixing robotussin in with sprite and jolly ranchers, there are alot of variations but basically it's like that. You hear that alot in southern rap songs, although the people I know who are actually crazy enough to do it just drink the robuotussin straight.





HAHA WOW!!!!!! your not even from texas!!! :love:

[Sons_Of_Saturn]

I don't know. I think T&N are a good label. I do, however, hear a lot of similarities of sound recently within their label (ie Number One Gun and Terminal). Nevertheless, I like em.

[Jason Tate]

within their label (ie Number One Gun and Terminal

Woah. I never would say they sound alike .. interesting.

[weworemasks]

I don't know. I think T&N are a good label. I do, however, hear a lot of similarities of sound recently within their label (ie Number One Gun and Terminal). Nevertheless, I like em.

i disagree. nog and terminal dont sound anything alike in my opinion.

[bluekey]

more like emery and dead poetic are the same

[Sink2TheBeat]

all i hear these days is MIKE JONES MIKE JONES. i hate that shit. i was always like who is mike jones and none the less they have whoismikejones.com wtf. that dude really brainwashed some people into a damn good promotion for himself.

it's fun shit to listen to, no one gives a fuck about the lyrics, i think the "who?? mike jones" shit is fucking hilarious, i thought it was ridiculous the first time i heard it and then i just listened to it and was mesmerized by the nonsense that dude says...his slang is more fucked up than any other rapper i've ever heard, half that shit's not even on urbandictionary

[intoyourarms]

terminal sounds like recover bred with armor for sleep. and dead poetics new cd will sound nothing like anything emery ever thought of releasing.

[hometownzero]

you can tell by the countless amazing bands on their roster. same goes with solid state. even though both labels have a few bands i dont particularly like, they are the best indie label in "the scene" in my opinion. fucking solid.

you know that's because they're the same label, right? solid state is t&n's sister label that they put all their hardcore stuff on.

more like emery and dead poetic are the same

I wouldn't say that, especially not when DP was first signed.

I think they do a fairly good job of promoting most of their bands, but yea, some of them don't get too much press. Evidence = As Cities Burn & Far-Less. ASB is getting lots of promo now because the CD comes out in a week, but Far-Less had a release right after they got signed that had almost no attention. Both bands were signed on the same day.

[ChrisPlunket]

Speaking of T&N.. I heard some of The Fold's new album this weekend at their studio in Long Island.. fuckin incredible. The Buzz on them should begin now. Their record drops in the fall. So good. And, I agree with most of this thread, T&N is a very high quality label. They do good business and good work.

[goughjustin]

I love how this thread turned into a who the fuck is mike jones post....
mike jones is one of the few Hip Hop artists who started completly independant, releasing albums on swizz beats... then he got picked up by a major... but why would we expect anyone on this site to know about more then one style of music.... it would be too hard to ask i guess


PS... the classic crime probably did not want people to know about the signing before it was final...

yes the classic crime has just got signed to tooth and nail! i was just with them tonight!and yes you can be expecting alot of great things from them ive heard whats going to be on there full cd that will be recorded soon! and i have to say there will not be a bad song on the whole cd!

[hideyourheart]

I love how this thread turned into a who the fuck is mike jones post....
mike jones is one of the few Hip Hop artists who started completly independant, releasing albums on swizz beats... then he got picked up by a major... but why would we expect anyone on this site to know about more then one style of music.... it would be too hard to ask i guess


PS... the classic crime probably did not want people to know about the signing before it was final...

yes the classic crime has just got signed to tooth and nail! i was just with them tonight!and yes you can be expecting alot of great things from them ive heard whats going to be on there full cd that will be recorded soon! and i have to say there will not be a bad song on the whole cd!
Sorry, but Mike Jones is just straight-up wack.

That Houston-style of southern rap is going to dry up and disappear faster than pagers going out of style. "Chopped and screwed"?? Please...

[overtsilence]

I love how this thread turned into a who the fuck is mike jones post....
mike jones is one of the few Hip Hop artists who started completly independant, releasing albums on swizz beats... then he got picked up by a major... but why would we expect anyone on this site to know about more then one style of music.... it would be too hard to ask i guess


PS... the classic crime probably did not want people to know about the signing before it was final...

yes the classic crime has just got signed to tooth and nail! i was just with them tonight!and yes you can be expecting alot of great things from them ive heard whats going to be on there full cd that will be recorded soon! and i have to say there will not be a bad song on the whole cd!

well if they didn't want anyone to know yet why would they post it on their purevolume page saying they did?

[Morphnaddict]

yep its true as the other dude said...........imho they arent great at all atleast not worth signing

[gtxpunkxguy]

I love how this thread turned into a who the fuck is mike jones post....
mike jones is one of the few Hip Hop artists who started completly independant, releasing albums on swizz beats... then he got picked up by a major... but why would we expect anyone on this site to know about more then one style of music.... it would be too hard to ask i guess


PS... the classic crime probably did not want people to know about the signing before it was final...

yes the classic crime has just got signed to tooth and nail! i was just with them tonight!and yes you can be expecting alot of great things from them ive heard whats going to be on there full cd that will be recorded soon! and i have to say there will not be a bad song on the whole cd!

this website is called absolutepunk, so i'd assume people that come to talk about music on this site know about punk or some form of it. i've never heard of mike jones before this. i may not be able to understand what some of my favorite bands are saying without lyrics, but at least, it's englilsh not some made up gibbirish.

oh yeah, and you've got to be pretty messed up to drink dimatap for kicks and giggles.

[bennyspictures]

Holland, Slow Coming Day, Watashi Wa, Mae, and Anberlin were all signed at the same time. Only Mae was promoted. Anberlin's second release was finally promoted, but their debut wasn't pushed very hard.
slow comming day got barely any promotion now, or even when their cd came out. they are excellent and T and N should not eltr them get away by lack of promotion, but overall T and N does a decent job and trying to promote all their bands. the classic crime is awesome, i got into these guys the first time frank brought them up on this site. also its no rumor anymore they have it on their purevoume site that they signed

[thecraig]

they have it says on theyre myspace as much

[SLADE775]

This is unexpected.....T and N / solid state has the strongest line Up of any label.

[MoneyMaker]

PURE bullshit t.

Ok, yea they have to care but I happen to know for a fact they are trying to find the next big thing regardless, and what happen to it being a christian label? They all love music im sure but, yes when it comes down to it, they want to make money so if they have to sign some bands that they think have a chance and drop if they don't sell they will.

[Brandon Herbel]

Okay, I won't comment on the other labels - but this is PURE bullshit about Tooth and Nail .. because they really care about the bands they sign .. I know for a fact.

I was just going to say the same thing, Tooth and Nail hasn't singed a band in sometime other then Terminal.. They really pick their bands wisely and they do a good job.

[UncleRico]

This is unexpected.....T and N / solid state has the strongest line Up of any label.

I would put The Militia Group right up there with T/N...

[ForeverInADay]

I love how this thread turned into a who the fuck is mike jones post....
mike jones is one of the few Hip Hop artists who started completly independant, releasing albums on swizz beats... then he got picked up by a major... but why would we expect anyone on this site to know about more then one style of music.... it would be too hard to ask i guess


PS... the classic crime probably did not want people to know about the signing before it was final...

yes the classic crime has just got signed to tooth and nail! i was just with them tonight!and yes you can be expecting alot of great things from them ive heard whats going to be on there full cd that will be recorded soon! and i have to say there will not be a bad song on the whole cd!
heres their statement on myspace

HEY Guys and girls!!! we have just signed to Tooth&Nail Records! we would like to thank all of you for your support and for listening to the music we love to make! we will be playing warped tour 05 this year at the gorge in washington then going into the studio for a little bit to record our full record, after we will be heading out on tour stopping all over! so keep in touch all of you and we will be keeping you updated all the time!

love
The Classic Crime

[SLADE775]

I would put The Militia Group right up there with T/N...


I like a lot of the milita groups bands.....but I mean VARIETY man VARIETY!!!

[intoyourarms]

yeah right T&N is always signing bands. shit they just signed SULLIVAN like two - three weeks ago.

[I.O]

Okay, I won't comment on the other labels - but this is PURE bullshit about Tooth and Nail .. because they really care about the bands they sign .. I know for a fact.


I dont think mxpx would agree.

[rawkmandale]

Things have changed A LOT since the MxPx thing when T&N was still very small. I know some bands are disappointed with the lack of T&N "push" that they felt they received (including some of my favorites like The Fighting Jacks), but I think T&N has reached a whole new level through their impressive marketing in magazines and through web boards like this one. The annual advertizing budget for all bands combined must be HUGE.

I wish they weren't so busy promoting their bands, in order to answer letters and e-mails I send them - but, oh well - they are a very impressive label anyway.

[hometownzero]

I'm very proud of how T&N has turned around the way they do business with bands. In the past couple years they've undergone a revolution in the way they treat their bands, I've talked with some bands about the label and they've said they couldn't be happier now. Project 86 was especially happy about the turnaround.

[weworemasks]

you know that's because they're the same label, right? solid state is t&n's sister label that they put all their hardcore stuff on.
.

yes, i said the best indie label, not labels. thats that best thing imo about t&n/solid state. they have the biggest variety of bands i can think of. unlike DTR or the worst, victory records.

Sorry, but Mike Jones is just straight-up wack.

That Houston-style of southern rap is going to dry up and disappear faster than pagers going out of style. "Chopped and screwed"?? Please...

its been around since ive been in 5th grade, (about to be soph in college) and is HUGE here in houston. it may be out of the spotlight, but people will never stop wanting to listen to music when they are high. hahah.

[Scott Weber]

Just to insert my two cents here - as many of you know, I am an intern at Tooth & Nail, and I go into the offices and interact with the people there on a regular basis. I have to say that the people who work there have more integrity than anybody else in the biz I've met. The A&R's live and die for the bands they represent, everybody gets super pumped about signings or new demos (people are in love with the new unmastered Emery album)...I can honestly say in a completely unbiased manner that Tooth & Nail is the dream label to work for. And to the people who say they don't promote their bands, I'm suprised because of how much T&N advertises - I mean look around, there's banners on this site for Solid State releases, there was a Mae contest, go on over to our friends at punkrocks.net and you'll see banners for Waking Ashland and Discover America, there are at least 2 or 3 full page ads in every Alternative Press magazine...John Frazier works in marketing and he's always trying to scheme up new sweet ways to promote the bands (waking ashland shopping carts, big foam #1 fingers for Number One Gun.)

Bottom Line is that Tooth & Nail is full of honest people who have a real passion for what they do. They do care about the bands they sign, they do care about promoting their artists, and they aren't just another face in the crowd - Them and Solid State have the best roster around right now, in my opinion - and I thought that before I was an intern.

[Contortionist]

They do care about the bands they sign, they do care about promoting their artists, and they aren't just another face in the crowd - Them and Solid State have the best roster around right now, in my opinion - and I thought that before I was
Also I can't find any of their releases instores and their not sold out, i check and they don't order any shipments and Im from nj, I was pissed about waking ashland not being anywhere but whatcha gonna do :unfair: who are they distroed through again?

[Scott Weber]

Also I can't find any of their releases instores and their not sold out, i check and they don't order any shipments and Im from nj, I was pissed about waking ashland not being anywhere but whatcha gonna do :unfair: who are they distroed through again?
that is seriously bizzare because I have ALWAYS been able to find Tooth and Nail releases, I mean like....everywhere - Best Buy, Target, Sam Goody, everywhere. That's very strange to hear. You can order Waking Ashland at bestbuy.com - they have free shipping and it's pretty quick.

[Contortionist]

o yea its EMI i believe. Yea idk either but you do live in settle which where the label is from which probably makes a difference.

[Scott Weber]

o yea its EMI i believe. Yea idk either but you do live in settle which where the label is from which probably makes a difference.
It shouldn't make a difference at places like Target.

[WeDreamOfDays]

It says on their purevolume site that they signed

[goughjustin]

Also I can't find any of their releases instores and their not sold out, i check and they don't order any shipments and Im from nj, I was pissed about waking ashland not being anywhere but whatcha gonna do :unfair: who are they distroed through again?

Tooth and Nail is distro'ed by EMI. The responsibility of getting CD's to stores is EMI. not tooth and nail. If T&N wants to sell more they should resolve the problem, but dont blam T&N....

on a side note, EMI does have the smallest market share out of the 4 major distro companies.... so that means their releases probably have a lower priority.

Also, T&N is not an indie like FBR or Fearless. this should be noted when everone refers to them as Indie, they are as independant as DTR was under Geffen/Universal

Just to insert my two cents here - as many of you know, I am an intern at Tooth & Nail, and I go into the offices and interact with the people there on a regular basis. I have to say that the people who work there have more integrity than anybody else in the biz I've met. The A&R's live and die for the bands they represent, everybody gets super pumped about signings or new demos (people are in love with the new unmastered Emery album)...I can honestly say in a completely unbiased manner that Tooth & Nail is the dream label to work for. And to the people who say they don't promote their bands, I'm suprised because of how much T&N advertises - I mean look around, there's banners on this site for Solid State releases, there was a Mae contest, go on over to our friends at punkrocks.net and you'll see banners for Waking Ashland and Discover America, there are at least 2 or 3 full page ads in every Alternative Press magazine...John Frazier works in marketing and he's always trying to scheme up new sweet ways to promote the bands (waking ashland shopping carts, big foam #1 fingers for Number One Gun.)

Bottom Line is that Tooth & Nail is full of honest people who have a real passion for what they do. They do care about the bands they sign, they do care about promoting their artists, and they aren't just another face in the crowd - Them and Solid State have the best roster around right now, in my opinion - and I thought that before I was an intern.


Scott does speak the truth... they really do care about every band and their A&R's pull for each signing...

[cheeze]

hey i just waned to say i love this site!!!!! hahahahaha all the posts just jump allover the place its rad! haha

[hometownzero]

It says on their purevolume site that they signed

somebody's late.

[goughjustin]

somebody's late.

who?

[Merchsquad]

I would put The Militia Group right up there with T/N...


The Militia Group was started by Chad Pearson who got his start at T&N in the mailroom. F.Y.I.

[graffitihearts]

It seems everyone's a little off topic. The Classic Crime is a good band and that's MY two cents. They're also really good live. And as far as everything else, everyone is signing bands like crazy. But who cares, music is big, and it's not like you have to like all the bands that have contracts or even listen to them for that matter. Give new bands a chance. Just because one recent addition to the same label sucked, doesn't mean the next one is going to as well.

[wassupgirl]

I wouldn't say T&N gets pumped about all of their bands... eager seas?