Yellowcard Article

[Jared Kaufman]

You can read an article here (http://www.mtv.com/news/articles/1504125/20050614/yellowcard.jhtml?headlines=true#Sce ne_1) on the recording of Yellowcard (http://www.yellowcardrock.com)'s new album.

[xearlynovemberx]

this will be alot better then people think it will be im calling that now

[nfggc10]

Why is it everytime a band is recording a new record they always say how shitty their last recording experience was? They were already on Capital for their last cd so it couldn't have been that bad. And you also never hear these things when they're actually recording. I'm sure they'll complain about this recording experience while they record their next cd.

[justanact]

I saw them perform on the MTV movie awards....and it was just bad. I usually wouldn't care enough to have an opinion on the matter, but they definently butchered a classic. :headshake

[Cocky Caucasion]

they look like rock stars in that picture. It seems they have really grown up a lot since their last record so I'm expecting this to be a hell of a lot more mature than ocean avenue. jk. this will probably suck.

[UncleRico]

I saw them perform on the MTV movie awards....and it was just bad. I usually wouldn't care enough to have an opinion on the matter, but they definently butchered a classic. :headshake

Agreed. They are an awful live band vocally. Thank god for Capitol's production budget...

[ThisIsSoBrandNw]

so is it safe to say this will come out this year for sure?

[xearlynovemberx]

so is it safe to say this will come out this year for sure?

yes its coming out this year

[tommyhaych]

i wanna hear that cover though, mmmm

[elemenohpe]

I finally netflixed the live dvd. It was good. Not too great. I expected a lot more.

I saw them at warped tour two years ago (and last year) before Ocean Avenue came out and nobody knew who the fuck they were (for the most part). The YC crew was trying to pimp them hard. They put signs up all over the event saying where and when YC would be playing. Handed out stickers to the first 50 of us or so that got to the show. I'll be honest, I had never heard them up to that point. I'd heard of them but never bothered listening. They blew me away though. They had such an awesome stage presence.

Ocean Avenue was a descent album, I won't be anxiously awaiting this next release but I'll def be interested about hearing it.

[tooemoformycat]

I actually do have positive feelings about this because it seems like so many bands go through this weird cycle where they have one (or a few) really great cds then they make the big, expensive, main stream one that gets them hugely popular, but usually it kinda sucks, and then they make a good one again...just a theory i came up with...ex: Blink 182, Sum 41, Green Day....well then based on my logic, i guess we can all expect the next senses fail, taking back sunday, and ataris cd to be pretty rockin!

[anxiousarms]

this band sucks, their music sucks, the violinist sucks, their hair-doo's suck, everything about them is terrible

blow me

[Nate_RAWKS]

this band sucks, their music sucks, the violinist sucks, their hair-doo's suck, everything about them is terrible

blow me


You belong here: www.punknews.org you fuckin' prick. You're 26 years old and still haven't learned to have respect for other peoples opinions and tastes on music. Your parents must be so proud of you. :headshake

GROW UP!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

[bnrocks]

yea i just caught their 'performance' on the movie awards last night. wow....dudes voice is embarassing.

[yousack]

I just want to know what he thinks of "One for the Kids"...seeing as how that's their best album to date. [That and the Underdog EP...]

well then based on my logic, i guess we can all expect the next senses fail, taking back sunday, and ataris cd to be pretty rockin!

I don't think Senses Fail will ever come out with a good album.

[xearlynovemberx]

You belong here: www.punknews.org you fuckin' prick. You're 26 years old and still haven't learned to have respect for other peoples opinions and tastes on music. Your parents must be so proud of you. :headshake

GROW UP!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!


this is why i am in love with u

[morte]

this band sucks, their music sucks, the violinist sucks, their hair-doo's suck, everything about them is terrible

blow me
Their drummer is good.

[unwritten]

Please sound close to the Underdog EP. I loved that. I think it contains their best songs to date.

[underdawg1119]

Their drummer is good.

LP owns

[justanact]

OH NOES MY SCENE POINTS!!!!!!!!!!!! :ugly_tock

i stick to my opinion. the cover blew ass.

[wixmmm]

Why is it everytime a band is recording a new record they always say how shitty their last recording experience was? They were already on Capital for their last cd so it couldn't have been that bad. And you also never hear these things when they're actually recording. I'm sure they'll complain about this recording experience while they record their next cd.

why is it everytime a band blows up some asshole has to find some stupid thing to point out that allegedly happens "every time."

You know what DOESN'T happen every time? every time a band blows up and hits TRL they DON'T all start a CLUB TOUR to coincide with their latest release.

Stop taking the easy path and finding shit to negetively point out and find the shit in the article that IS impressive. THE BAND WAS YOUNG when they recorded their last album... of course their musicianship has grown since then... they didn't say it was a shitty experience, they just said they've gotten better musically.



You fucking moron. How long you been listening to this shit? congraduations on your big 'theory' but all you have done is make an observation about how fucked up people's opinions of bands become after they become popular. Whether a follow up is good or bad is another issue, but everyone loves to make the assumption that every band ever that gets big sells out on their next album.

First off, senses fail have had the same average sound their whole, short careers. They haven't 'blown up' but haven't done anything different than they have been doing the past couple years (aka their bands existence).

Taking Back Sunday lost half their band members, and in turn, its heart. That's why their second cd wasn't that great.

Ataris' So Long Astoria was the bands first release in a very long time... to say they sold out is bullshit, that band would have been content staying in the same place their whole lives... they didn't 'change' their sound, it just evolved over a long period of time... and if you have a real ear for music you can notice that.

The problem people here have is that everyone has a million opinions about bands that they don't like or care enough about to actually make their opinions worthwhile. The point of mentioning the three bands and their respective reasons above is because NONE OF THEM share a single reason for having an allegedly 'main stream' album.

[QUOTE=this band sucks, their music sucks, the violinist sucks, their hair-doo's suck, everything about them is terrible

blow me

But THE BIGGEST oversight here is that when this album was released, I was here, on these boards, which is something not many people can say. If you were here, than you know, people FLIPPED OUT over Ocean Avenue. They loved it to death. THeir was a pop up review every time you logged on to the site. Then, a year later, they blow up and EVERYONE FORGETS.

This place just disgusts me sometimes. I just come because it DOES have the best news and I actually think Tate has more integrity than 99 percent of this place gives him credit for.

That guy LOVES his music, and ain't no one gonna stop him from loving it. All he does is tell us about it... that's doing something positive for the scene. He never turns his back on a band, but at the same time will admit it when its true (taking back sunday's weak album without john nolan's help)



It's become trendy to say one for the kids was better... Underdog EP was better than Ocean Avenue, in my opinion, just because it really did have some great tunes, but honestly... OftK was not that great of an album... Ocean Avenue was better... I've tried to like OftK more just because I always hear people say it is... but I have a feeling most do it because it's 'the thing to say to prove you're scene.' That's not to say that there aren't people out there who DO like it better, as I like Underdog better than everything else... it's just I find it hard to beleive that SOOOO many people overwhelmingly like a mediocre pop punk album better than the new release which does have better melodies and hooks, imho.

It's just when Ocean Avenue came out, barely ANYONE here was saying, "eh, I like One for the Kids better," it was all people loving it and the few obligatory people that hate all catchy pop punk in the thread saying how much they hate the band, when really they mean "i hate all of this music you all suck and I'm punk." I just don't understand why so many people say One For the Kids was way better... it's not like they were popular when Ocean Avenue came out... they didn't blow up for a year, when I saw them at warped a couple weeks after their album release there were like 35 people MAX at their stage.... the only explanation I find is that people want ever so desperately to sound scene and cool here.

My opinion? moral of the story? Let the registration dates, not post counts, be the true measure of ones 'scene power.'

/rant
mike

[lesto17]

why is it everytime a band blows up some asshole has to find some stupid thing to point out that allegedly happens "every time."

You know what DOESN'T happen every time? every time a band blows up and hits TRL they DON'T all start a CLUB TOUR to coincide with their latest release.

Stop taking the easy path and finding shit to negetively point out and find the shit in the article that IS impressive. THE BAND WAS YOUNG when they recorded their last album... of course their musicianship has grown since then... they didn't say it was a shitty experience, they just said they've gotten better musically.



It's become trendy to say one for the kids was better... Underdog EP was better than Ocean Avenue, in my opinion, just because it really did have some great tunes, but honestly... OftK was not that great of an album... Ocean Avenue was better... I've tried to like OftK more just because I always hear people say it is... but I have a feeling most do it because it's 'the thing to say to prove you're scene.' That's not to say that there aren't people out there who DO like it better, as I like Underdog better than everything else... it's just I find it hard to beleive that SOOOO many people overwhelmingly like a mediocre pop punk album better than the new release which does have better melodies and hooks, imho.

It's just when Ocean Avenue came out, barely ANYONE here was saying, "eh, I like One for the Kids better," it was all people loving it and the few obligatory people that hate all catchy pop punk in the thread saying how much they hate the band, when really they mean "i hate all of this music you all suck and I'm punk." I just don't understand why so many people say One For the Kids was way better... it's not like they were popular when Ocean Avenue came out... they didn't blow up for a year, when I saw them at warped a couple weeks after their album release there were like 35 people MAX at their stage.... the only explanation I find is that people want ever so desperately to sound scene and cool here.

My opinion? moral of the story? Let the registration dates, not post counts, be the true measure of ones 'scene power.'

/rant
mike


Dude.....people say that they like One For the Kids and The Underdog EP more than Ocean Avenue because they are better. I'm sick of kids like you saying shit like this, saying that people hate on all these bands because they have gotten bigger. The people who say shit like this are just as bad as the few ignorant people who really do dislike bands strictly because of their popularity. I like Yellowcard, but Ocean Avenue was a huge dissapointment the day it came and that hasnt changed. Ocean Avenue is the boring and watered down version of One For the Kids. One For the Kids is excellent pop-punk, with great fast riffs, lots of energy, awesome hooks, and catchy melodies. This was the sound that made Yellowcard a popular "underground" band. Then they released The Underdog EP, which for the most part kept the same feel and formula as One For the Kids, but added some improved songwriting and deeper lyrics. In my opinion if you took the strongest track from Ocean Avenue and the weakest track from either of the two earlier releases, the worst track from whichever of the two earlier releases beats the track from Ocean Avenue.

To address the fact that some people may have changed their opinion on Ocean Avenue for the worse....has it ever occured to you that people might get themselves worked up about an album, and then when they hear it are still so glad to hear new material from a band that they love that they automatically love the album. however after this excitement wears off people might say, what was i thinking? this album isnt nearly as good as i thought it was when i first heard it.



And to the guy who said that Yellowcard is weak vocally live, id actually have to disagree. ive seen them live quite a few times and have always been really impressed with ryans voice, with the exception of one of the days i saw them at warped last year and he was sick (not only did he say he was sick but he could barelly even talk). i do agree that the performace was a little weak, but it seemed like the whole thing was kinda thrown together last minute to me. It sounded like they simplified the song as much as they possibly could.



EDIT: Although I really do prefer the earlier two releases I still enjoy Ocean Avenue for what it is and dont hate it nearly as much as i might have made it seem to some people.


oh yeah and dude....if the kids were just worried about being "scene" they wouldnt say they liked Yellowcard at all.

[underdawg1119]

And to the guy who said that Yellowcard is weak vocally live, id actually have to disagree. ive seen them live quite a few times and have always been really impressed with ryans voice, with the exception of one of the days i saw them at warped last year and he was sick (not only did he say he was sick but he could barelly even talk). i do agree that the performace was a little weak, but it seemed like the whole thing was kinda thrown together last minute to me. It sounded like they simplified the song as much as they possibly could.

amen to that

that performance was a horrible misrepresentation of a live YC show...aside from ben rocking out, he always does that

[wixmmm]

Dude.....people say that they like One For the Kids and The Underdog EP more than Ocean Avenue because they are better. I'm sick of kids like you saying shit like this, saying that people hate on all these bands because they have gotten bigger. The people who say shit like this are just as bad as the few ignorant people who really do dislike bands strictly because of their popularity. I like Yellowcard, but Ocean Avenue was a huge dissapointment the day it came and that hasnt changed. Ocean Avenue is the boring and watered down version of One For the Kids. One For the Kids is excellent pop-punk, with great fast riffs, lots of energy, awesome hooks, and catchy melodies. This was the sound that made Yellowcard a popular "underground" band. Then they released The Underdog EP, which for the most part kept the same feel and formula as One For the Kids, but added some improved songwriting and deeper lyrics. In my opinion if you took the strongest track from Ocean Avenue and the weakest track from either of the two earlier releases, the worst track from whichever of the two earlier releases beats the track from Ocean Avenue.

To address the fact that some people may have changed their opinion on Ocean Avenue for the worse....has it ever occured to you that people might get themselves worked up about an album, and then when they hear it are still so glad to hear new material from a band that they love that they automatically love the album. however after this excitement wears off people might say, what was i thinking? this album isnt nearly as good as i thought it was when i first heard it.



And to the guy who said that Yellowcard is weak vocally live, id actually have to disagree. ive seen them live quite a few times and have always been really impressed with ryans voice, with the exception of one of the days i saw them at warped last year and he was sick (not only did he say he was sick but he could barelly even talk). i do agree that the performace was a little weak, but it seemed like the whole thing was kinda thrown together last minute to me. It sounded like they simplified the song as much as they possibly could.



EDIT: Although I really do prefer the earlier two releases I still enjoy Ocean Avenue for what it is and dont hate it nearly as much as i might have made it seem to some people.


oh yeah and dude....if the kids were just worried about being "scene" they wouldnt say they liked Yellowcard at all.



well i can't argue with a statement like that, in fact i APPLAUD YOU for it.

I always try to aim my posts at strictly negetive people...and i'll admit my last one kind of ventures off of that, however I do think that i did say that I am sure that there are people out there who genuinely do like One for the Kids for the RIGHT reasons, like you do, and the fact that you stood up and articulated yourself well proves it.

Other people, however, have a tendancy to say one liners like "this band sucks, (insert old album name) used to be good too." and never actually make intelligent conversation... THOSE are the people I was aiming at, not you.

I still stand by my statement, however, that alot of kids were probably drawn into this scene by Ocean Avenue... they then turn their backs on those bands when they get popular (Remember, yellowcard is a kind of odd case because almost a full year went by before they really got any MAIN MAINstream attention... the video for Way Away played on MTV2 and got them a bit bigger, but when they played at on campus at USC, where I got to school, almost no one had even heard of them, that was a full 6 months after their record's release).

Also, my point still stands that reletively NO ONE was talking shit on this album when it came out, and I even distinctly remember thinking "i wonder how long before people turn on this band." I was aiming at THOSE people.

cause those people aren't fans, they just pose as such. And I am sick of hearing people complain about an album that went a year without anyone talking shit on... then magically the world gives the new album some positive attention, so (naturally) the people on these boards have to bombard it with shit talking... yet between the 2 and 9 month period after their release, no one seemed to have ANY problems with the band.

I don't know, i guess the universe just has to stay in balance or something.

[xBennyHinnx]

Thank God MxPx came out with an album to remind us of the legendary years of pop punk before it became all about these watered down shitty bands like yellowcard.

[ethicka]

12 hour days of preproduction? That's awesome. Sounds like a kickass band meeting to me. I wish I could get signed and do that shit all day.

Work on the still-untitled new album began in earnest earlier this year when Key and bassist Pete Mosely moved to New York to pen songs, while the rest of the band recuperated from a massive world tour in support of Ocean Avenue.

I also wish I could move to NYC temporarily to write songs with a band member while the rest of them "recuperated from a world tour...

[elemenohpe]

i was a visitor of the site when Ocean Avenue leaked on IRC. i never signed up for an account because i really didn't give a shit about the discussions here. but whenever yellowcard news was posted, the replies were full of "great news" and "i love this album".

i always thought it was just an okay record. 7/13 songs were great, the rest were alright but nothing exciting. ocean avenue was definately a good release but was lost (to me) in a sea of excellent albums (Coheed & Cambria, Brand New, The Movielife, Blink 182, Thrice, Thursday, etc.)

i'm not dissing on yellowcard by any means, i am a fan (esspecially of their live shows) just saying that i didn't ever flip-flop my opinion of ocean avenue.

[lesto17]

well i can't argue with a statement like that, in fact i APPLAUD YOU for it.

I always try to aim my posts at strictly negetive people...and i'll admit my last one kind of ventures off of that, however I do think that i did say that I am sure that there are people out there who genuinely do like One for the Kids for the RIGHT reasons, like you do, and the fact that you stood up and articulated yourself well proves it.

Other people, however, have a tendancy to say one liners like "this band sucks, (insert old album name) used to be good too." and never actually make intelligent conversation... THOSE are the people I was aiming at, not you.

I still stand by my statement, however, that alot of kids were probably drawn into this scene by Ocean Avenue... they then turn their backs on those bands when they get popular (Remember, yellowcard is a kind of odd case because almost a full year went by before they really got any MAIN MAINstream attention... the video for Way Away played on MTV2 and got them a bit bigger, but when they played at on campus at USC, where I got to school, almost no one had even heard of them, that was a full 6 months after their record's release).

Also, my point still stands that reletively NO ONE was talking shit on this album when it came out, and I even distinctly remember thinking "i wonder how long before people turn on this band." I was aiming at THOSE people.

cause those people aren't fans, they just pose as such. And I am sick of hearing people complain about an album that went a year without anyone talking shit on... then magically the world gives the new album some positive attention, so (naturally) the people on these boards have to bombard it with shit talking... yet between the 2 and 9 month period after their release, no one seemed to have ANY problems with the band.

I don't know, i guess the universe just has to stay in balance or something.



i really appreciate you clarifying that because now i definitely understand where you are coming from. i also wanted to apologize for saying that you are just one of those people who complain about people hating on mainstream bands just for the hell of it, because if you are capable of returning with a well thought out and very respectable reply like you did you obviously arent that type of person.



people like you make these forums a lot easier and prove that people can disagree without being complete assholes to eachother.