LOST (Official Thread)

[nivek87]

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[Alextisonfire]

:-)
See you all at 9!

[alann]

sweet, new thread

[xeno6919]

9 it is, peace.

[nivek87]

With this new thread, I bring good news.

January 13th, the return of Drew (Drudo)

[TheFury]

Wow, new thread already. Great news about Drudo as well, at least it's before the new season starts.

[Greg]

is the ep we watching still Man Behind the Curtain?

[nivek87]

is the ep we watching still Man Behind the Curtain?

yup i think so. thats what i'm planning on watching unless someone has a change in plans. i am up for watching any ep.

[Alextisonfire]

I'm still up for the Man Behind the Curtain, I've got the stream all queued up and will be good to go in 40.

[nivek87]

I'm still up for the Man Behind the Curtain, I've got the stream all queued up and will be good to go in 40.

nice, mines all ready to go in the dvd player. TMBTC is such a good episode, I'm excited to look for some clues.

[Greg]

sounds good. i stopped watching to have dinner with my mom so i am just now finishing up White Rabbit. i will stop here and just goof off until 9 and start TMBTC

[xeno6919]

About to go stick that in the dvd player, then I will be all set, w00t.

[stayillogical]

Wow, we got here fast.

:celebrate:

Edit: I just caught on to the recent plans. Damn... my brother took all of our season DVDs to his fiancee's house. I'll have to turn my laptop on and find the ep. Are they all still on ABC?

[Alextisonfire]

If you want to kill time, I recommend watching How I Met Your Mother at 8:30

TMBTC will hopefully have some stuff that we'll pick up on more this time around after learning more about the 5th season.

[poppa Q]

Wasn't prepared for this, well done.

[Greg]

alright i have the episode all queued up now as well. ready to go!

[nivek87]

If you want to kill time, I recommend watching How I Met Your Mother at 8:30


Undoubtably the best comedy on TV. Too bad there won't be a new episode until late january. One of my favorite eps is on tonight though, Slapsgiving! what a legendary episode.

[nivek87]

Wasn't prepared for this, well done.

joining in?

I just caught on to the recent plans. Damn... my brother took all of our season DVDs to his fiancee's house. I'll have to turn my laptop on and find the ep. Are they all still on ABC?

yup, every single ep actually. I used it the other day to watch a season 4 episode. Its a pretty good player, although you will get a little behind because of those 30 second things. I'll look for another link without commercial breaks.

[poppa Q]

joining in?

Perhaps! I just finished watching Frost/Nixon (not to change the subject from LOST) so I may move on to my next downloaded Oscar contender, but we'll see.

Also, I'm very happy to see Lapidus on the press release's cast list.

[heyozzie]

wow, whose idea was this? thats awesome. i would totally be all over this if the bears weren't on.

[nivek87]

wow, whose idea was this? thats awesome. i would totally be all over this if the bears weren't on.

I believe Alex's. We should continue doing it more often until season 5 begins.

EDIT: and also, Kevin (poppa q) you are a Kevin too right? how was Frost/Nixon? The only showings are in DC for me, but it definitely seems worth the 45 minute drive. would you agree?

[heatherg]

I'm totally joining your man behind the curtain thing guys!! haha

[xeno6919]

I'm totally joining your man behind the curtain thing guys!! haha
There is always room for one more behind this curtain;-) lol

[stayillogical]

I found a link myself, but thanks Kevin! All ready to go. Funny how we've talked about doing this for a long time and now's the time. I did put Magnolia on pause though which sucks, but I'll just finish it later.

[nivek87]

also, people watching online, here is a good stream of it. it isn't as pretty as the abc player as in terms of quality, but you won't get behind when they have the 30 sec interruptions and such. Hopefully everyone has a fast enough connection if they let it load now, that it should be good for the entire way through.

http://watchinglostonline.com/episode-320-the-man-behind-the-curtain/

[nivek87]

I found a link myself, but thanks Kevin! All ready to go. Funny how we've talked about doing this for a long time and now's the time. I did put Magnolia on pause though which sucks, but I'll just finish it later.


good good! oh i know right, its great its finally happening. there has been so many failed attempts in the past.

[Greg]

8 minutes!! haha this will be fun

it has been awhile since i got my LOST on haha

[xeno6919]

We should definitely start doing this like every Wed. night, or something.

[nivek87]

I am guessing we are all just pushing play once our computers say 9?

[heatherg]

also, people watching online, here is a good stream of it. it isn't as pretty as the abc player as in terms of quality, but you won't get behind when they have the 30 sec interruptions and such. Hopefully everyone has a fast enough connection if they let it load now, that it should be good for the entire way through.

http://watchinglostonline.com/episode-320-the-man-behind-the-curtain/

sweet deal thanks kevin!

[Greg]

I am guessing we are all just pushing play once our computers say 9?
sounds good to me!

[xeno6919]

I am guessing we are all just pushing play once our computers say 9?
Fair enough

[alann]

Ok guys, I'm ready

With this new thread, I bring good news.

January 13th, the return of Drew (Drudo)
Awesome news

[heatherg]

mine is loading sooo sloww ugh =(

[nivek87]

sweet deal thanks kevin!
no prob, you are welcome.


4 8 15 16 23 42

/obligation to enter the numbers since we are having our own sort of countdown

[Alextisonfire]

About time to start, I'm glad so many people are in on this. We should definitely start doing this more often leading up to the season.

[Alextisonfire]

no prob, you are welcome.


4 8 15 16 23 42

/obligation to enter the numbers since we are having our own sort of countdown
haha, nice!

edit: and here we go!

[xeno6919]

Play!!!!

[nivek87]

mine is loading sooo sloww ugh =(

hopefully it springs up in time!

[stayillogical]

PREVIOUSLY ON LOST

x

[Greg]

started!

[alann]

previously on LOST
edit: damn it

[Alextisonfire]

The beginning of this is so sad :-(

[crit]

:woot:

[heatherg]

im prob a little behind but its all good

[nivek87]

Shaken baby syndrome much?

[nivek87]

they've done a really good job at making Horace look different throughout his appearances.

[poppa Q]

EDIT: and also, Kevin (poppa q) you are a Kevin too right? how was Frost/Nixon? The only showings are in DC for me, but it definitely seems worth the 45 minute drive. would you agree?

I am, and it was really really great. Direction was brilliant and I thought Michael Sheen did a fantastic job opposite Langella, who seems to be a lock for a Best Actor nomination. And I would say that yes, if you're the type if individual who would drive 45 minutes to see a movie, it is absolutely worth it. One of the year's best.

[Greg]

"you do remember birthdays don't you richard?"

hmmmmmmmm what does that mean? is it pure sarcasm? or is there some reason that Richard would not really get birthdays? or be able to remember things like that? haha

[heatherg]

=(

[Alextisonfire]

"you do remember birthdays don't you richard?"

hmmmmmmmm what does that mean? is it pure sarcasm? or is there some reason that Richard would not really get birthdays? or be able to remember things like that? haha
Definitely reflects his whole not aging thing he has going...

[nivek87]

this scene upsets me. the fact of the matter is, Locke tricked all of the others. Ben said, Locke, himself had to kill his father, not go and get Sawyer to do so. weak sauce locke, weak sauce.

[xeno6919]

I didn't know the actress playing Ben's mom is his wife in real life. AWESOME!!

[stayillogical]

Why does Ben lie about being born on the island? For people's respect?

[nivek87]

Michael Emerson is absolutely brilliant.

EDIT: really good acting by Terry O'quinn in that scene too.

[heatherg]

Why does Ben lie about being born on the island? For people's respect?

yeah thats what i think, to give him a sort of iconic feel

[Alextisonfire]

Why does Ben lie about being born on the island? For people's respect?
That would be my guess.

And seriously Locke, weak man.

[alann]

I remember watching that scene for the first time, I really thought that they were on the Island

[nivek87]

does candle have a swan jacket on?

[nivek87]

I remember watching that scene for the first time, I really thought that they were on the Island

yeah, great job by the LOST team.


also, holy flares by charlie. anyone just see his jeans?

[Alextisonfire]

Hmm I didn't pay close enough attention..

[Alextisonfire]

yeah, great job by the LOST team.


also, holy flares by charlie. anyone just see his jeans?
haha yeah those were ridiculous. charlie is no emo rocker, that's for sure.

[stayillogical]

does candle have a swan jacket on?

Yes.

I am so aware of what station logo everyone is wearing. Like Mikhail with the flame right now.

[nivek87]

No John, you really didn't dbag.

[heatherg]

bad ass

[alann]

I love how Mikhail always gets his ass kicked

[Alextisonfire]

Didn't the producers mention something about the Volcano with season 6 that they may or may not have been joking about?

[nivek87]

also, can't wait to see more of the volcano, hopefully we will go back to a "long time ago"

[stayillogical]

I love how young Ben was holding a bunny. The details, love it.

[nivek87]

Didn't the producers mention something about the Volcano with season 6 that they may or may not have been joking about?

Yeah, with damon and cuse you never know when they are serious. hopefully we will see it a little more though in the past or future.

[heatherg]

white bunny??

[nivek87]

the tapping on the window scene reminds me so much of the scene from find 815 with sam and sonya.

[heatherg]

HAH i just jumped when she was in the window

[alann]

Ben's mom is creepy

[Alextisonfire]

The bunny thing is a real cool pickup.

[alann]

Btw, that window scene scares me every time i see it

[lauren<3s music]

:wave: sorry im lame and missing the viewing party

[Alextisonfire]

Haha, it's cool. If you want to pick up were about 20 min in right now.

[nivek87]

:wave: sorry im lame and missing the viewing party

lame-o ms. lame stops by. missed you.

[stayillogical]

Interesting how many characters have crappy fathers. Ben, Locke, Sawyer, Kate, Jack, etc etc. So many daddy issues.

[heatherg]

i always try to hear what the whispers are saying.
and so is that gate keeping all the weird island things out since his mom couldn't cross it???

[Alextisonfire]

What's the deal with the dirt there that Locke felt the need to examine it?

[nivek87]

i still want to know what the volcanic ash around the cabin is about. i thought it was to keep jacob secure, but we've seen the cabin move. obviously ben didn't know where it was the 2nd visit and it was all over the place when hurley saw it.

[lauren<3s music]

lame-o ms. lame stops by. missed you.

:blush: i missed you guys too! i bought season 4 on bluray for my almost brother and can't wait until after xmas when we'll watch it. super excited.

Interesting how many characters have crappy fathers. Ben, Locke, Sawyer, Kate, Jack, etc etc. So many daddy complexes.

the root of all evil: bad parenting. we could make a what not to do guide, lost style

[alann]

"we're here"

[Alextisonfire]

i still want to know what the volcanic ash around the cabin is about. i thought it was to keep jacob secure, but we've seen the cabin move. obviously ben didn't know where it was the 2nd visit and it was all over the place when hurley saw it.
Ah right, that answers my question.

[nivek87]

i always try to hear what the whispers are saying.

http://lostwhispering.blogspot.com/
What's the deal with the dirt there that Locke felt the need to examine it?

I've always assumed it was ash to keep jacob inside of that circle for some reason.

[nivek87]

i wish little benjamin would of done a cartwheel or something through the fence right there. that would of been gangsta.

[alann]

I love this episode

[heatherg]

kevin you are my hero

[nivek87]

harry potter, meet jack sparrow.

[alann]

i wish little benjamin would of done a cartwheel or something through the fence right there. that would of been gangsta.
ha, this made me smile

[alann]

Richard should take a shower

[nivek87]

the child who plays ben looks so much like Emerson. great casting.

[Alextisonfire]

Love this scene right here.

[alann]

You sure this is what you want

[nivek87]

still can't believe emerson didn't win an emmy for this performance.

[nivek87]

hello carlton cuse.

[heatherg]

do we see him throw a bottle too???

[Alextisonfire]

really locke, really?

[alann]

am i crazy, or someone screamed "Joooohn" outside Jacob's cabin?

[xeno6919]

still can't believe emerson didn't win an emmy for this performance.
I agree sir.

[Greg]

when the episode is done i am going to go back and go through that scene frame by frame haha

[Prestonxsmith]

Wait, where are you guys watching this?

[nivek87]

really locke, really?
he is such a stubborn ass.
am i crazy, or someone screamed "Joooohn" outside Jacob's cabin?

I'll have to listen again after. didn't notice it, I'll look for it though.

[heatherg]

i can't believe he does this =(

[Alextisonfire]

Yeah I'm rewatching the cabin scene again after this is over.

[alann]

It's purge time

[heatherg]

when the episode is done i am going to go back and go through that scene frame by frame haha

i know you will anyway, but make sure what you share what you see!

[nivek87]

Wait, where are you guys watching this?

some of us online, others on dvd.


heres a working link if you don't have season 3, http://watchinglostonline.com/episode-320-the-man-behind-the-curtain/

[alann]

I'll have to listen again after. didn't notice it, I'll look for it though.
Yeah, check it out, Locke turns his head like looking for someone

[nivek87]

hair and make up did a great job making Roger look old as well.

[Prestonxsmith]

some of us online, others on dvd.


heres a working link if you don't have season 3, http://watchinglostonline.com/episode-320-the-man-behind-the-curtain/
Thanks, but I will start when you start a new episode.

[nivek87]

oh how i would love to see what books were next to horace on that bench.

[stayillogical]

http://i277.photobucket.com/albums/kk76/psychocyborgninja/LostLockeSnickers.jpg

[heatherg]

ben is so freaking selfish

[alann]

Lost

[Greg]

sooooooooo good haha

[nivek87]

luckily john only has one kidney.

and he said his father never did anything good for him.

[heatherg]

oh how i would love to see what books were next to horace on that bench.

i thought the same thing when i saw them there

[Alextisonfire]

That was such a good episode. So, anything anyone picked up on that they didn't before?

[nivek87]

l love that snickers thing.

[xeno6919]

I got too "lost" in the episode to even discuss on here....

[nivek87]

That was such a good episode. So, anything anyone picked up on that they didn't before?
if that voice that calls out johnnnnn is there, that will be new to me. nothing else in-particular i can think of though.

[heatherg]

am i crazy, or someone screamed "Joooohn" outside Jacob's cabin?

you aren't!
according to that whispers blog kevin sent me they have it in the youtube video thing from that episode

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YW_6WK4IZYU&eurl=http://lostwhispering.blogspot.com/&feature=player_embedded

[alann]

That was such a good episode. So, anything anyone picked up on that they didn't before?
I got that scream that I mentioned earlier

edit: I knew it

[stayillogical]

Some nice lists on Lostpedia for this episode:

http://lostpedia.wikia.com/wiki/The_Man_Behind_the_Curtain/Theories

[Alextisonfire]

The whole "help me" thing refers to Jacob's unhappiness with Ben and desire to have Locke take the lead for the island correct?

[heatherg]

The whole "help me" thing refers to Jacob's unhappiness with Ben and desire to have Locke take the lead for the island correct?

Thats what i assume, thats why i feel like ben gets so angry

[alann]

Oh boy, I love late season 3

[Alextisonfire]

I can't wait to learn more about Goodwin, seeing as he's supposed to be so pivotal to the rest of the series.

[nivek87]

yeah, i've always assumed its a turn of a new page. No longer will Jacob communicate with Ben, but Locke now. Ben has lived the life of a pharisee like john mentions in the man from tallahassee and that has to displease Jacob. Plus Ben doesn't seem like he is doing the work of Jacob, just messing around being a punk.

[stayillogical]

Ideas for the next episode? I say Cabin Fever.

[alann]

I can't wait to learn more about Goodwin, seeing as he's supposed to be so pivotal to the rest of the series.
you mean Goodspeed?

[Alextisonfire]

Ideas for the next episode? I say Cabin Fever.
Sounds like a plan to me. When should we watch it?

[Alextisonfire]

you mean Goodspeed?
:hitself: yeah that too

[nivek87]

Ideas for the next episode? I say Cabin Fever.

I'm up for watching whatever, but if we're doing it again tonight, I am going to have to sit out. Leaving for a friends house in like 30 minutes.

[Alextisonfire]

Thoughts on Cabin Fever tomorrow, same time?

[stayillogical]

I meant for another day.

[heatherg]

im sucked in to reading these whisper transcripts all night hahahah
listening to them in my headphones creeps me out way too much

[nivek87]

tomorrow at 9 sounds awesome to me. as long as we can do a jack centric ep the following night.

[Alextisonfire]

tomorrow at 9 sounds awesome to me. as long as we can do a jack centric ep the following night.
I'd enjoy that, which one are you thinking?

[Greg]

i want a Desmond centric episode at some point!

[nivek87]

I'd enjoy that, which one are you thinking?
stranger in a strange land? kidding, haha. man of science, man of faith?
i want a Desmond centric episode at some point!
this is a must.

[stayillogical]

Right now, I'm really curious about the Arrow station. Did it have an original purpose other than storage facility? There has to be more to it for Goodspeed to have been assigned there. He's a mathematician, so what in the world went on there.

[Greg]

stranger in a strange land? kidding, haha. man of science, man of faith?

this is a must.
The Constant or Flashes Before Your Eyes would make me happy camper haha

[stayillogical]

I think the biggest LOST reveal in the future will be who is Jacob. That is number 1 on my list of questions that need to be answered. WHO IS JACOB? If anything, I'm going to watch more episodes with Jacob clues.

[alann]

I still want to know what the monster is over Jacob

[stayillogical]

The Monster lost some of it's badass appeal when it followed Ben's orders.

[Cato11087]

I just spent the entire day catching up on Dexter season 3, which was unbelievable. I've missed so much today, a new thread, watching The Man Behind The Curtain, haha damn.

[Alextisonfire]

Yeah the monster is something that I obsess over for a while, then forget about. Then it makes an appearance again and I'm back to what the heck is that thing.

[atticusfinch]

yay new thread!

[whoaisame]

Just went Christmas shopping and ended up buying Season 2 on dvd. Just about to finish up Season 1 again.

See we got a new thread, sweet.

[gloriousmuse]

I need to start posting in here again. :-d

[whoaisame]

I was reading up on the old thread and saw someone mention the Des/Penny reunion on the season 4 finale.

Am I the only person that thought that reunion was a disappointment, rushed, and not very emotional at all? Probably one of the only things that has really disappointed me on this show.

[Alextisonfire]

I was reading up on the old thread and saw someone mention the Des/Penny reunion on the season 4 finale.

Am I the only person that thought that reunion was a disappointment, rushed, and not very emotional at all? Probably one of the only things that has really disappointed me on this show.
Really? It hit me pretty hard when it happened actually.

[whoaisame]

The phone call scene in "The Constant" gets me every single time. But I don't know, the reunion doesn't do it for me.

[gloriousmuse]

I agree. It had me in tears. Now Claire's reaction to Charlie dying was a disappointment.

[Hainzey X]

ahhhh late to the party again. oh well, new thread. sweeet. 28 days guys & gals.

im trying to multi-quote better on here. since im on my phone, its a pain in the ass copying / pasting & editing but if i wanna crack the top 10, i wanna do it fair & square :-)
I agree. It had me in tears. Now Claire's reaction to Charlie dying was a disappointment.

definetly.

im sucked in to reading these whisper transcripts all night hahahah
listening to them in my headphones creeps me out way too much

nooo way i could listen to that on headphones. id shit myself.
Yeah the monster is something that I obsess over for a while, then forget about. Then it makes an appearance again and I'm back to what the heck is that thing.

i got to be honest, i tend to loose interest in the smoke monster. its one of the very few things on the show i sometimes feel that they don't quite know where they're going with it. i probably 110% wrong but, i don't know. just a feeling i get. the smoke monster tends to annoy me.

Just went Christmas shopping and ended up buying Season 2 on dvd. Just about to finish up Season 1 again.


i managed to get 2,3 & 4. waiting to get season 1 for x-mas, then i'll have them all and hopefully rewatch it all before S5 premiere.

Really? It hit me pretty hard when it happened actually.

i didn't think that scene was bad, but the phone call scene hit me way harder then the actual re-union.

[whoaisame]

Yea, I'm getting season 4 for xmas, then my collections complete.

Rewatching the seasons is cool, I find myself seeing alot of new stuff and thinking about things differently, but it tends to get kinda hard through the slow episodes. Still love it tho. Season 2 is gonna be tough, only cause I dont wanna watch the damn Ana Lucia episodes.

[Hainzey X]

Yea, I'm getting season 4 for xmas, then my collections complete.

Rewatching the seasons is cool, I find myself seeing alot of new stuff and thinking about things differently, but it tends to get kinda hard through the slow episodes. Still love it tho. Season 2 is gonna be tough, only cause I dont wanna watch the damn Ana Lucia episodes.

haha i agree. they're are gonna be certain episodes that are hard to watch.

not looking forward to re-watching expose.

and yeah, anna lucia WAS* a total bitch.

edit = *
muhahaha

[poppa Q]

I still feel like Jacob is going to be Jack's granddaddy.

[Alextisonfire]

I agree. It had me in tears. Now Claire's reaction to Charlie dying was a disappointment.
Not one episode since they has really showed her suffering at all from it. I mean with how close they were, you think she'd be kinda bent out of shape about it? Maybe she's just in shock, maybe they're chilling in the cabin together roasting marshmallows, only time will tell...

[xeno6919]

I agree. It had me in tears. Now Claire's reaction to Charlie dying was a disappointment.
I agree with you 100%, Penny & Desmond had me going. I didn't feel it at all with Claire.

[whoaisame]

I still feel like Jacob is going to be Jack's granddaddy.

According to the the bible, I think its the bible, Jacob is Aaron's great grandfather. So if this was true, then yes, He would be Jack's grandfather.

Edit: Obviously Lost doesn't go by what the Bible says, I'm just saying that's what the bible says.

This is the only spoiler I've ever read for the upcoming season, and I will not read any more, not even in this thread, but they are casting for Jack's grandfather for Season 5. So this is very possible.

[poppa Q]

According to the the bible, I think its the bible, Jacob is Aaron's great grandfather. So if this was true, then yes, He would be Jack's grandfather.

Edit: Obviously Lost doesn't go by what the Bible says, I'm just saying that's what the bible says.

This is the only spoiler I've ever read for the upcoming season, and I will not read any more, not even in this thread, but they are casting for Jack's grandfather for Season 5. So this is very possible.

Yeah, that's been my only thought about Jacob's identity, but once I came to the realization of the Jacob/Aaron great grandfather situation, I thought there may be some merit to my suspicions. And I'm excited about the spoiler, too, it's one of the guys from Mad Men! I think he'll be great in the LOST universe.

[whoaisame]

Yeah, that's been my only thought about Jacob's identity, but once I came to the realization of the Jacob/Aaron great grandfather situation, I thought there may be some merit to my suspicions. And I'm excited about the spoiler, too, it's one of the guys from Mad Men! I think he'll be great in the LOST universe.

heard good things about that show, any good?

[crit]

Just finished disc two of season two...this show really is meant to be watched four episodes at a time. So wonderful to watch it that way.

[WarpSpeedChewy]

Yay! New thread.

With this new thread, I bring good news.

January 13th, the return of Drew (Drudo)
That is awesome news. Hopefully we see the return of some classic moment on lost as well.

I am, and it was really really great. Direction was brilliant and I thought Michael Sheen did a fantastic job opposite Langella, who seems to be a lock for a Best Actor nomination. And I would say that yes, if you're the type if individual who would drive 45 minutes to see a movie, it is absolutely worth it. One of the year's best.
Ha, I did the same thing. I got free passes to see Frost/Nixon as well. Brillant movie and as you said, Langella completely knocks it out as Nixon. I was really impressed by Michael Sheen though.

Didn't the producers mention something about the Volcano with season 6 that they may or may not have been joking about?
Yeah, I kinda of wonder though if it has something to do with the end of the show.

The whole "help me" thing refers to Jacob's unhappiness with Ben and desire to have Locke take the lead for the island correct?

Thats what i assume, thats why i feel like ben gets so angry
I never really thought of it like that before. I think I might have assumed too much into that whole comment. I thought maybe it had to do with something bigger but that makes more sense. I like the idea that Ben and Jacob didn't always get along but eventually Ben got over Jacob choosing Locke over him. I really don't prefer when a character gets locked into a obvious agenda and I'm glad that didn't happen with Ben. Though I'm really curious to know why he wants to go back to the island. I doubt thought Ben would want to live anywhere else. I'm curious to know if even Ben has some unresolved issues on the island like with Ana.

I still feel like Jacob is going to be Jack's granddaddy.
I don't think so. That's a bit too obvious and I remember hearing the creators say that Jacob was someone we've already seen before. I may be wrong on that though.

[poppa Q]

I'm not positive because I don't have a source, but I believe they said it's someone we've "heard but not seen." I was also trying to work out a theory while in bed the other night with that paraphrased quote in mind, thinking that perhaps Jacob has been a part of the whispers or something to that effect.

[poppa Q]

I was really impressed by Michael Sheen though.
Honestly, his performance would be worthy of "screen-stealing" status if Langella wasn't just as strong opposite him.

I don't think so. That's a bit too obvious and I remember hearing the creators say that Jacob was someone we've already seen before. I may be wrong on that though.

Also, it really wouldn't be all that obvious, perhaps more logical. When you think about it, the importance of their lineage has been revealed slowly and sporadically throughout the season (finally coming to understand Christian's importance on the island -- to an extent -- Aaron be Jack's nephew, etc.). I do understand where you're coming from, but if it did turn out that way it would still surely be considered a "WTF" moment for a majority of the shows fanbase, and even for those who dig more deeply into the show would be less surprised, but realize how perfectly it may (or eventually may not) make sense in the grand scheme of things. Who knows.

[nivek87]

I think the biggest LOST reveal in the future will be who is Jacob. That is number 1 on my list of questions that need to be answered. WHO IS JACOB? If anything, I'm going to watch more episodes with Jacob clues.

I still want to know what the monster is over Jacob

I am with jess here. I am much interested in the mythology of Jacob than smokey. That is one mystery i wouldn't mind being left open to interpretation. I think its going to be hard to make a plausible case for it.

I just spent the entire day catching up on Dexter season 3, which was unbelievable. I've missed so much today, a new thread, watching The Man Behind The Curtain, haha damn.
Dexter is such a great show. This past season really made me a fan of Jimmy Smits.
Just went Christmas shopping and ended up buying Season 2 on dvd. Just about to finish up Season 1 again.

See we got a new thread, sweet.
good stuff, what did you pay for it? i think i saw 20 bucks for season 2 recently.

I need to start posting in here again. :-d
yeah you do.
The phone call scene in "The Constant" gets me every single time. But I don't know, the reunion doesn't do it for me.
Yeah The Constant phone call was priceless. It really couldn't have been done better. Des and Pennys relationship is the only show I've actually been interested in a show romance. I still liked the reunion just because i really didn't see it coming, but i think it could of been done a bit better. definitely felt real, but it was in the foresight really because it was in-between the possible death of Jin, the island moving, and the reveal that locke was in the coffin. It was a very intense and jammed packed last hour of tv.
Now Claire's reaction to Charlie dying was a disappointment.
Yeah, I hear you loud and clear on that one. Two disappointments. one, aarons drive shaft ring just chilling in the beach cradle. two, they made such a good story out of charlies greatest hits list, sucks it got wet and ruined.
Just finished disc two of season two...this show really is meant to be watched four episodes at a time. So wonderful to watch it that way.
absolutely. I saw in an interview Terry O'quinn suggesting be shown on TV in 2 hour periods. Man i would love that.
I'm not positive because I don't have a source, but I believe they said it's someone we've "heard but not seen." I was also trying to work out a theory while in bed the other night with that paraphrased quote in mind, thinking that perhaps Jacob has been a part of the whispers or something to that effect.
Yeah the apparitions and whispers are hopefully something Jacob manifests.

[nivek87]

If Jacob is a character we might have seen, when we look at TMBTC, which character do we know was distraught and in need of help during the time Locke visited the cabin? Maybe that could help solve the puzzle.

[nkalldayyy]

new thread? lol

repost from the last one:
does anyone have any theories as to the "when am i" clip?

[poppa Q]

If Jacob is a character we might have seen, when we look at TMBTC, which character do we know was distraught and in need of help during the time Locke visited the cabin? Maybe that could help solve the puzzle.

Not following the connection here...

[poppa Q]

new thread? lol

repost from the last one:
does anyone have any theories as to the "when am i" clip?

If it's actually a clip from future footage, probably just a quote when the island has been replaced in time and the Losties (in this instance it's Locke speaking) have yet to figure out what's going on yet.

[nivek87]

Not following the connection here...

I was trying to say, maybe just maybe if it is a character we have already known and met, that maybe the reason Jacob said, "Help me" had to do with something that character had going on at the time. For example, just as an example, if Jacob was Jack and somewhere on the island Jack really needed help because something bad was happening, something would trigger Jacob to say "help me" because Jack needed help. However, I really don't think its as simple as Jack and unfortunately all the characters I can think of were decent at the time of TMBTC.

The only possible person I could think of that has some sense to it would be Abaddon. As an orderly he told Locke he owed him one. Then we hear Jacob say, "help me." If thats the case, John owed him his help.

Do i buy either of these things at all, not really at all, but I'm just spit balling because I am bored haha

Also, i hope we find out the miracle Abaddon claimed to experience.

[alann]

There's a flashback I really want to see: Ben's first encounter with Jacob

[WarpSpeedChewy]

Honestly, his performance would be worthy of "screen-stealing" status if Langella wasn't just as strong opposite him.
Agreed. Michael Sheen did a remarkable job of holding his own and that's considering Langella played Nixon.

Also, it really wouldn't be all that obvious, perhaps more logical. When you think about it, the importance of their lineage has been revealed slowly and sporadically throughout the season (finally coming to understand Christian's importance on the island -- to an extent -- Aaron be Jack's nephew, etc.). I do understand where you're coming from, but if it did turn out that way it would still surely be considered a "WTF" moment for a majority of the shows fanbase, and even for those who dig more deeply into the show would be less surprised, but realize how perfectly it may (or eventually may not) make sense in the grand scheme of things. Who knows.
You may be right....but isn't Jack supposed to meet his Grandfather off-island this season. I almost feel like Jacob is the type of person who had more importance than just being related to a character but their could be a blood-line connection. I always thought it would be cool if Jacob was the person who the statue was supposed to be of.

[WarpSpeedChewy]

Just finished disc two of season two...this show really is meant to be watched four episodes at a time. So wonderful to watch it that way.
That is so completely true. I'm going to start watching Season 2 soon before the show starts again. I think season 2 is going to be especially relevant this year.

There's a flashback I really want to see: Ben's first encounter with Jacob
My god yes. There is so much in Ben's back story I am so curious about. I'm really looking forward to his first meeting with Rousseau. I bet he comes off looking like a good guy in that episode. His relationship to Widmore might be as intriguing. I'm curious to know if Widmore knows of Jacob.

[nivek87]

Random thought. At the beginning of TMBTC John says, he'll ask Richard to take him to see Jacob and Ben says how he is the only one who talks and sees Jacob. Makes it seem like a pecking order type of scenerio, but Ben might have meant he is the only one who actually sees Jacob since he mocks John for not being able to see him in the cabin.

EDIT: who else thinks this thread will break 5,000 before season 5 begins? I think its definitely possible, we broke it in pretty darn well in these 8 hours its been active. If we average that many posts a day, a new thread would begin in about 28 days.

[nkalldayyy]

If it's actually a clip from future footage, probably just a quote when the island has been replaced in time and the Losties (in this instance it's Locke speaking) have yet to figure out what's going on yet.
yeah, something like that.

i hope he didn't die for good. that would ruin it for me, hes my favorite character. i feel like nothing is ever really "for good" on this show though hahhaa.

[Alextisonfire]

Random thought. At the beginning of TMBTC John says, he'll ask Richard to take him to see Jacob and Ben says how he is the only one who talks and sees Jacob. Makes it seem like a pecking order type of scenerio, but Ben might have meant he is the only one who actually sees Jacob since he mocks John for not being able to see him in the cabin.

EDIT: who else thinks this thread will break 5,000 before season 5 begins? I think its definitely possible, we broke it in pretty darn well in these 8 hours its been active. If we average that many posts a day, a new thread would begin in about 28 days.
That would be absurd. I am impressed though with how far along this thread is already. If we keep doing this episode commentary thing over the next month then it could definitely happen.

yeah, something like that.

i hope he didn't die for good. that would ruin it for me, hes my favorite character. i feel like nothing is ever really "for good" on this show though hahhaa.
All you Locke fans, jeeze ;-) haha

[nivek87]

yeah, something like that.

i hope he didn't die for good. that would ruin it for me, hes my favorite character. i feel like nothing is ever really "for good" on this show though hahhaa.


I wouldn't worry, I am sure he will be telling everyone what he can and cannot do and blowing things up like its going out of style again in no time flat.

[nkalldayyy]

Random thought. At the beginning of TMBTC John says, he'll ask Richard to take him to see Jacob and Ben says how he is the only one who talks and sees Jacob. Makes it seem like a pecking order type of scenerio, but Ben might have meant he is the only one who actually sees Jacob since he mocks John for not being able to see him in the cabin.

EDIT: who else thinks this thread will break 5,000 before season 5 begins? I think its definitely possible, we broke it in pretty darn well in these 8 hours its been active. If we average that many posts a day, a new thread would begin in about 28 days.
i see what you mean about the ben/jacob thing. i always thought he just said that because he didn't want anyone else to know that john was also special. maybe that's why he most likely didn't take anyone else there, because he wanted to be the only special one. it probably had to do with him being neglected as a child. maybe? i could be wrong though.

[Alextisonfire]

I wouldn't worry, I am sure he will be telling everyone what he can and cannot do and blowing things up like its going out of style again in no time flat.
Sigh, unfortunately. I'm anticipating the oncoming fury of team Locke come the start of the season. They've been quite quiet as of late.

[nkalldayyy]

I wouldn't worry, I am sure he will be telling everyone what he can and cannot do and blowing things up like its going out of style again in no time flat.


its actually humorous how many times he says that on the show. i miss the old john locke though, like when he helped charlie and built the cradle for claire. those were the episodes...

[Alextisonfire]

i see what you mean about the ben/jacob thing. i always thought he just said that because he didn't want anyone else to know that john was also special. maybe that's why he most likely didn't take anyone else there, because he wanted to be the only special one. it probably had to do with him being neglected as a child. maybe? i could be wrong though.
That could definitely be a possibility. I figured it was more a power thing, that Ben was the only one suited to see Jacob out of the group, and at the time Ben was not expecting Locke to be able to hear Jacob. You could see how surprised and unnerved he was when Locke turned around after hearing "help me".

[poppa Q]

I was trying to say, maybe just maybe if it is a character we have already known and met, that maybe the reason Jacob said, "Help me" had to do with something that character had going on at the time. For example, just as an example, if Jacob was Jack and somewhere on the island Jack really needed help because something bad was happening, something would trigger Jacob to say "help me" because Jack needed help. However, I really don't think its as simple as Jack and unfortunately all the characters I can think of were decent at the time of TMBTC.

The only possible person I could think of that has some sense to it would be Abaddon. As an orderly he told Locke he owed him one. Then we hear Jacob say, "help me." If thats the case, John owed him his help.

Do i buy either of these things at all, not really at all, but I'm just spit balling because I am bored haha

Also, i hope we find out the miracle Abaddon claimed to experience.
Oh okay, I get what you're saying.
Agreed. Michael Sheen did a remarkable job of holding his own and that's considering Langella played Nixon.


You may be right....but isn't Jack supposed to meet his Grandfather off-island this season. I almost feel like Jacob is the type of person who had more importance than just being related to a character but their could be a blood-line connection. I always thought it would be cool if Jacob was the person who the statue was supposed to be of.
That would be pretty cool.
That is so completely true. I'm going to start watching Season 2 soon before the show starts again. I think season 2 is going to be especially relevant this year.


My god yes. There is so much in Ben's back story I am so curious about. I'm really looking forward to his first meeting with Rousseau. I bet he comes off looking like a good guy in that episode. His relationship to Widmore might be as intriguing. I'm curious to know if Widmore knows of Jacob.
Based on the Ben/Widmore conversation we saw, I'd be willing to be Widmore knows of Jacob.
Random thought. At the beginning of TMBTC John says, he'll ask Richard to take him to see Jacob and Ben says how he is the only one who talks and sees Jacob. Makes it seem like a pecking order type of scenerio, but Ben might have meant he is the only one who actually sees Jacob since he mocks John for not being able to see him in the cabin.

EDIT: who else thinks this thread will break 5,000 before season 5 begins? I think its definitely possible, we broke it in pretty darn well in these 8 hours its been active. If we average that many posts a day, a new thread would begin in about 28 days.

Although, Ben also said he was born on the island...

[nkalldayyy]

That could definitely be a possibility. I figured it was more a power thing, that Ben was the only one suited to see Jacob out of the group, and at the time Ben was not expecting Locke to be able to hear Jacob. You could see how surprised and unnerved he was when Locke turned around after hearing "help me".
yeah, i agree. i think that's why he shot him. if word got out that someone other than ben heard jacob then everyone would think that they were as special as ben, and he would lose all authority and specialness. that could be why he just expected john to succeed him, he had no choice.

[nivek87]

Although, Ben also said he was born on the island...

True, touche'

[nkalldayyy]

What's the deal with the dirt there that Locke felt the need to examine it?
i think it was gun powder. just a thought.

/latepass

[Cato11087]

On G4 last night they were showing "Left Behind", which is the flashback Kate meets Cassidy. I'm pretty intrigued if what Sawyer whispered in Kate's ear, and the favor she did for Sawyer in "Something Nice Back Home" are all connected to Cassidy/Clementine. And if it is, I'm excited to see how that all plays out.

[stayillogical]

On G4 last night they were showing "Left Behind", which is the flashback Kate meets Cassidy. I'm pretty intrigued if what Sawyer whispered in Kate's ear, and the favor she did for Sawyer in "Something Nice Back Home" are all connected to Cassidy/Clementine. And if it is, I'm excited to see how that all plays out.

I'm pretty positive it is. And Kate was possibly talking on the phone with Cassidy when Jack came home. I haven't seen that scene with Sawyer's whisper in awhile, but on youtube, someone edits the audio so you can hear it more clearly.

[stayillogical]

So, did anyone find the source where the writers say Jacob is someone we already know? Or is it already heard?

If anyone is the forerunner in this, it has to be Locke. That would make sense of the Dalai Lama esque test that Richard did on him. Locke is Jacob reincarnated? Yeah, I'm not completely into this because there are holes and it's reaching, but I like the idea.

[MusicTalks]

I'm pretty positive it is. And Kate was possibly talking on the phone with Cassidy when Jack came home. I haven't seen that scene with Sawyer's whisper in awhile, but on youtube, someone edits the audio so you can hear it more clearly.

I figured the makers of LOST would make that completely inaudible, for the sake of suspense.

[MusicTalks]

its actually humorous how many times he says that on the show. i miss the old john locke though, like when he helped charlie and built the cradle for claire. those were the episodes...

yeah, i agree. i think that's why he shot him. if word got out that someone other than ben heard jacob then everyone would think that they were as special as ben, and he would lose all authority and specialness. that could be why he just expected john to succeed him, he had no choice.

I agree with both of these. After Locke became this island hippie and went over to Ben's side, his decline on my list started.

At the end of the 4th season, when Locke comes out of the Orchid and Richard welcomes him, it's like they are acknowledging that he is the successor. The thing is tho, Richard shows up in different episodes, at different points of time (Locke as a child, Ben as a child in the forest, etc), so I wouldn't be surprised if Richard has a more intricate role in the island, especially the issue of Jacob. Then again, we see Christian Shephard on the boat before it blows up, in the cabin where Jacob lives and Jack has never really had any hallucinations, but he did see his father on the island too.

I think that there are way too many theories and people that have these hair-brained ideas about the show to give into any of them.

[stayillogical]

If we can make out the whispers and strange phone calls, then Sawyer's whisper should be a breeze.

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I think it says, "I have a daughter in Albuquerque. You need to find her, tell her I'm sorry."

[MusicTalks]

If we can make out the whispers and strange phone calls, then Sawyer's whisper should be a breeze.

I think it says, "I have a daughter in Albuquerque. You need to find her, tell her I'm sorry."

I'll have to watch it later, since I can't at work, but you may be right. I just figured that he leaned over and whispered it, in secret, so it would be something that wouldn't be audible. The voices in the jungle would make more sense to be decipherable, but even some of those are just random whispers. When they want you to hear it and know it, you can definitely make it out. What strange phone calls? I don't really recall those.

Though, when that bird/terydactal took a swan-dive, I did hear it yell Hurley's name. That was funny, especially since Sawyer made fun of him for it.

[MusicTalks]

I agree with you 100%, Penny & Desmond had me going. I didn't feel it at all with Claire.

For some reason, I didn't watch all of the last episode the first time (There's No Place Like Home 2 & 3), but I read in the other LOST thread that the reunion between Desmond and Penny was good. When I watched it, I think that it was great, but could have been a little more exciting. They both knew that each other were out there, but they still looked at one another like they had never met. Granted, they had been separated for a ton of years, but I wanted a little more.

As far as Claire goes, I really liked her for a while but then I started to not like her. Her reactions to Charlie were so hot-and-cold, but Charlie was madly in love with her. It was like she wrote him off, let him back in, wrote him off and then kissed him, heard that he died and was like 'Eh, that's sad' and then went on with it.

[Alextisonfire]

For some reason, I didn't watch all of the last episode the first time (There's No Place Like Home 2 & 3), but I read in the other LOST thread that the reunion between Desmond and Penny was good. When I watched it, I think that it was great, but could have been a little more exciting. They both knew that each other were out there, but they still looked at one another like they had never met. Granted, they had been separated for a ton of years, but I wanted a little more.

As far as Claire goes, I really liked her for a while but then I started to not like her. Her reactions to Charlie were so hot-and-cold, but Charlie was madly in love with her. It was like she wrote him off, let him back in, wrote him off and then kissed him, heard that he died and was like 'Eh, that's sad' and then went on with it.
Yeah she lost major points for that one. I was just waiting for the episode that showed the personal repercussions she had to deal with for the loss of Charlie, but she just went along her marry way.

[MusicTalks]

Yeah she lost major points for that one. I was just waiting for the episode that showed the personal repercussions she had to deal with for the loss of Charlie, but she just went along her marry way.

I mean, I understand the whole thing where Charlie took Aaron out to the ocean, but I really don't think that he, himself, was going to hurt the baby. As a mother, I'm sure she was justified in being upset, but look at all the things that he did for her. Little things like the fake peanut butter or the big things he did by going into the jungle, almost dying and being worried about her/Aaron getting off the island (he chose to die because it would get them off the island). In the end, Claire went back to forgetting about him and everything he did for her and Aaron.

[nkalldayyy]

I agree with both of these. After Locke became this island hippie and went over to Ben's side, his decline on my list started.

At the end of the 4th season, when Locke comes out of the Orchid and Richard welcomes him, it's like they are acknowledging that he is the successor. The thing is tho, Richard shows up in different episodes, at different points of time (Locke as a child, Ben as a child in the forest, etc), so I wouldn't be surprised if Richard has a more intricate role in the island, especially the issue of Jacob. Then again, we see Christian Shephard on the boat before it blows up, in the cabin where Jacob lives and Jack has never really had any hallucinations, but he did see his father on the island too.

I think that there are way too many theories and people that have these hair-brained ideas about the show to give into any of them.
totally.

richard kind of confuses me, but i feel like he wouldn't allow john locke to become their new leader if it wasn't for a reason, because i'm sure that with the access he has to the space/time continuum he has seen the future.

i don't really understand how jacob kind of assumed christian's body but i think that since he had an unnatural arrival to the island (dead) that might have something to do with it. possibly.

i feel like the writers acknowledge that locke's character took a turn for the worse just like they acknowlege that the cast split may cause displeasure. i'm sure they're gonna bring him back as some sort of hero (by the island's means) just becuase he was such a solid well liked character before the hatch came about. the only reason that i can think of why they evolved him into someone more tense and self-absorbed is because he seemed too perfect or even somewhat of an equilivant to jacob the first season. i think that's why they didn't have him kill his dad himself, because he seemed like such a hunter that they wanted to show that there are some things john locke CANT do lol. they had to let us know that he is really human. at least in my opinion thats where i think they were going with that.

[nkalldayyy]

Yeah she lost major points for that one. I was just waiting for the episode that showed the personal repercussions she had to deal with for the loss of Charlie, but she just went along her marry way.
yeah, i don't know if it's her character or if it's her as an actor. thankfully she didn't play too much of a rold in the first 4 seasons. she's never really been a part of the major plot up until the scene in jabob's cabin. it's probably that way for a reason though..

[Throwback]

yeah, i don't know if it's her character or if it's her as an actor. thankfully she didn't play too much of a rold in the first 4 seasons. she's never really been a part of the major plot up until the scene in jabob's cabin. it's probably that way for a reason though..
I have never been a Claire fan and was also pissed there was never really that scene of Claire being very sad over Charlie.

[MusicTalks]

totally.

richard kind of confuses me, but i feel like he wouldn't allow john locke to become their new leader if it wasn't for a reason, because i'm sure that with the access he has to the space/time continuum he has seen the future.

i don't really understand how jacob kind of assumed christian's body but i think that since he had an unnatural arrival to the island (dead) that might have something to do with it. possibly.

i feel like the writers acknowledge that locke's character took a turn for the worse just like they acknowlege that the cast split may cause displeasure. i'm sure they're gonna bring him back as some sort of hero (by the island's means) just becuase he was such a solid well liked character before the hatch came about. the only reason that i can think of why they evolved him into someone more tense and self-absorbed is because he seemed too perfect or even somewhat of an equilivant to jacob the first season. i think that's why they didn't have him kill his dad himself, because he seemed like such a hunter that they wanted to show that there are some things john locke CANT do lol. they had to let us know that he is really human. at least in my opinion thats where i think they were going with that.

I would agree with all of this. I like your rationale. Some of the ideas that people have about the show are out of this world weird, but I could see all of these things happening. Well done.

[nkalldayyy]

I would agree with all of this. I like your rationale. Some of the ideas that people have about the show are out of this world weird, but I could see all of these things happening. Well done.
thanks : )

[poppa Q]

On G4 last night they were showing "Left Behind", which is the flashback Kate meets Cassidy. I'm pretty intrigued if what Sawyer whispered in Kate's ear, and the favor she did for Sawyer in "Something Nice Back Home" are all connected to Cassidy/Clementine. And if it is, I'm excited to see how that all plays out.
That's what confuses me, though. I'm convinced that Sawyer did have Kate run this errand for him and it is likely that Kate was on the phone with Cassidy, however, Kate was the one who convinced Cassidy to report Sawyer to the police which resulted in him getting arrested. Not only would it be awkward as shit, but whatever Kate had to tell her about Sawyer would have to make Cassidy SO skeptical about the entire situation. I dunno.
Yeah she lost major points for that one. I was just waiting for the episode that showed the personal repercussions she had to deal with for the loss of Charlie, but she just went along her marry way.

I mean, I understand the whole thing where Charlie took Aaron out to the ocean, but I really don't think that he, himself, was going to hurt the baby. As a mother, I'm sure she was justified in being upset, but look at all the things that he did for her. Little things like the fake peanut butter or the big things he did by going into the jungle, almost dying and being worried about her/Aaron getting off the island (he chose to die because it would get them off the island). In the end, Claire went back to forgetting about him and everything he did for her and Aaron.

However, it was pretty obvious that Claire never shared the same feelings for Charlie that Charlie held for her. And again, starting with Charlie's death to the end of S4 in Jacob's cabin (guided by the creepy mister Miles), we see this transformation in Claire that nobody has any clue as to what's going on with her. There's obviously something deeper there. But I do agree that she really didn't give two shits when she should have at least given one :shrug:

[nkalldayyy]

I have never been a Claire fan and was also pissed there was never really that scene of Claire being very sad over Charlie.
yeah, it was kind of a disappointment, but then again they didn't really push them having a love story either. a lot of the focus on their relationship was directed toward her being mad at him for doing drugs or him being jealous of locke getting close to her. they never really had like love scenes like with jack kait and sawyer or anything. i wish they had though, they were an adorable couple when they were one. the show really didn't need a 4th love story. plus, nothing could ever compete to desmond and penny in the constant.

[nkalldayyy]

However, it was pretty obvious that Claire never shared the same feelings for Charlie that Charlie held for her. And again, starting with Charlie's death to the end of S4 in Jacob's cabin (guided by the creepy mister Miles), we see this transformation in Claire that nobody has any clue as to what's going on with her. There's obviously something deeper there. But I do agree that she really didn't give two shits when she should have at least given one :shrug:


definitely. i agree.

[MusicTalks]

That's what confuses me, though. I'm convinced that Sawyer did have Kate run this errand for him and it is likely that Kate was on the phone with Cassidy, however, Kate was the one who convinced Cassidy to report Sawyer to the police which resulted in him getting arrested. Not only would it be awkward as shit, but whatever Kate had to tell her about Sawyer would have to make Cassidy SO skeptical about the entire situation. I dunno.




However, it was pretty obvious that Claire never shared the same feelings for Charlie that Charlie held for her. And again, starting with Charlie's death to the end of S4 in Jacob's cabin (guided by the creepy mister Miles), we see this transformation in Claire that nobody has any clue as to what's going on with her. There's obviously something deeper there. But I do agree that she really didn't give two shits when she should have at least given one :shrug:

Cassidy (the one that helped Kate sneak in to see her mother when the marshalls were waiting) was convinced, by Kate, to get Sawyer arrested. Did I totally miss something? When did Cassidy get Sawyer arrested?

As far as Claire goes, I would agree that she definitely didn't have the same feelings for Charlie, but there were moments when we all knew that she liked him and then to kiss him, after NEVER doing that before, said to me that she did have strong feelings for him. Then he dies and it's too bad for good ol' Charlie Drive Shaft.

[poppa Q]

Cassidy (the one that helped Kate sneak in to see her mother when the marshalls were waiting) was convinced, by Kate, to get Sawyer arrested. Did I totally miss something? When did Cassidy get Sawyer arrested?
One moment please.
As far as Claire goes, I would agree that she definitely didn't have the same feelings for Charlie, but there were moments when we all knew that she liked him and then to kiss him, after NEVER doing that before, said to me that she did have strong feelings for him. Then he dies and it's too bad for good ol' Charlie Drive Shaft.
Haha, poor Charlie Drive Shaft.

[alann]

Today, I'll bring you good news, if you can call this good news
http://spoilertv.blogspot.com/2008/12/sag-delays-strike-authorization-vote.html

[recall reality]

Cassidy (the one that helped Kate sneak in to see her mother when the marshalls were waiting) was convinced, by Kate, to get Sawyer arrested. Did I totally miss something? When did Cassidy get Sawyer arrested?

3x04 Every Man for Himself, she was why he was in jail. Thy never showed it though. It's just mentioned when she comes in to visit and tell him about Clementine.

[poppa Q]

"Cassidy later reported Sawyer to the police, landing him in jail."

http://lostpedia.wikia.com/wiki/Cassidy_Phillips

And the following link isn't direct, but let it load then click on Kate, view her connection with Sawyer.

http://abc.go.com/primetime/lost/index?pn=connection

[poppa Q]

Today, I'll bring you good news, if you can call this good news
http://spoilertv.blogspot.com/2008/12/sag-delays-strike-authorization-vote.html
I'll wait for the "no strike" news, but this is good enough for me, heh.
3x04 Every Man for Himself, she was why he was in jail. They never showed it though.
Word.

[nkalldayyy]

Today, I'll bring you good news, if you can call this good news
http://spoilertv.blogspot.com/2008/12/sag-delays-strike-authorization-vote.html
i guess that's good news.

i hope the strike doesn't happen half way through the season. i can handle the suspense now, but there's no way i'd make it after seeing one episode and then not being able to watch the rest of the season for a month or more.

[MusicTalks]

3x04 Every Man for Himself, she was why he was in jail. Thy never showed it though. It's just mentioned when she comes in to visit and tell him about Clementine.

"Cassidy later reported Sawyer to the police, landing him in jail."

http://lostpedia.wikia.com/wiki/Cassidy_Phillips

And the following link isn't direct, but let it load then click on Kate, view her connection with Sawyer.

http://abc.go.com/primetime/lost/index?pn=connection

Oh okay, I see what you both are saying, but here's my only argument against that.

I just watched the 'Connection" link on ABC for Kate/Sawyer and at the end when Kate tells Cassidy to put him in jail because of what he did, Cassidy asks if Kate would ever forgive her Mom for putting her in jail. Kate said she wouldn't, then the non-verbal/head/facial expression on Cassidy seemed to say "Well, then I wouldn't do it either." Sawyer conned a lot of people and did a lot of dumb things, I figured he could have been in jail for any of the millions of cons.

Thanks for the information, tho. I love this thread.

[recall reality]

i guess that's good news.

i hope the strike doesn't happen half way through the season. i can handle the suspense now, but there's no way i'd make it after seeing one episode and then not being able to watch the rest of the season for a month or more.

Well, they've filmed 10 or so episodes thus far... they would still air in lieu of a strike, right?

[nkalldayyy]

Well, they've filmed 10 or so episodes thus far... they would still air in lieu of a strike, right?
yeah, i hope so. i mean, the episodes belong to the network, not the writers and this really doesn't have anything to do with the network to my knowledge. =/

[alann]

Well, they've filmed 10 or so episodes thus far... they would still air in lieu of a strike, right?
That's why the delay it's a good thing, they will have time to film a few more episodes.

[nkalldayyy]

That's why the delay it's a good thing, they will have time to film a few more episodes.
ohhh, i see. i wasn't quite sure why that was good news lol.

hopefully they can get the rest in the season in. usually there's like what, 13 or 14 episodes in a season?

[alann]

ohhh, i see. i wasn't quite sure why that was good news lol.

hopefully they can get the rest in the season in. usually there's like what, 13 or 14 episodes in a season?
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[MusicTalks]

??? - I wonder why, on ABC's LOST Connection site, they don't link Sawyer with Jack/Christian Shephard. They link Ana Lucia with Sawyer based on fact that Christian opened his car door into him while they were in Sydney. They should have listed Christian or Jack on the Connection since Sawyer did sit down and have drinks with Jack's father and then, in a later episode, tell Jack he did so, once he figured out who that person was.

[heatherg]

nooo way i could listen to that on headphones. id shit myself.


Tell me about it. i was for awhile and i got way too creeped out and had to take them off

[heatherg]

I was trying to say, maybe just maybe if it is a character we have already known and met, that maybe the reason Jacob said, "Help me" had to do with something that character had going on at the time. For example, just as an example, if Jacob was Jack and somewhere on the island Jack really needed help because something bad was happening, something would trigger Jacob to say "help me" because Jack needed help. However, I really don't think its as simple as Jack and unfortunately all the characters I can think of were decent at the time of TMBTC.

The only possible person I could think of that has some sense to it would be Abaddon. As an orderly he told Locke he owed him one. Then we hear Jacob say, "help me." If thats the case, John owed him his help.

Do i buy either of these things at all, not really at all, but I'm just spit balling because I am bored haha

Also, i hope we find out the miracle Abaddon claimed to experience.

I think i get where you are going with this, but i'm still a bit lost. If i'm following you right, i don't know if i necessarily agree, because i don't know what christian or claire would swarm to jacob for

There's a flashback I really want to see: Ben's first encounter with Jacob

That would be EPIC!

[Cato11087]

If we can make out the whispers and strange phone calls, then Sawyer's whisper should be a breeze.

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I think it says, "I have a daughter in Albuquerque. You need to find her, tell her I'm sorry."

So yeah that video pretty much confirms what we had suspected. I'm excited to see how that exchange plays out, and if Kate is completely honest with Cassidy.

[nivek87]

I'm excited to see how that exchange plays out, and if Kate is completely honest with Cassidy.

Yeah, I am very curious to so how that plays out too. I just can't wait for the scene where Kate first realizes Sawyers baby mama is good ol Cassidy.

I think its kind of dumb that she did end up sending Sawyer to prison though. In "Left Behind" Kate and Cassidy made an exchange where Cassidy said something like, "will you ever forgive your mom for sending you to jail?" Yet, Cassidy still loving Sawyer, sends him to prison. weird. Does "every man for himself" confirm it was Cassidy who sent him to jail? I feel like he was just caught for a different con job.

[alann]

Yeah, I am very curious to so how that plays out too. I just can't wait for the scene where Kate first realizes Sawyers baby mama is good ol Cassidy.

I think its kind of dumb that she did end up sending Sawyer to prison though. In "Left Behind" Kate and Cassidy made an exchange where Cassidy said something like, "will you ever forgive your mom for sending you to jail?" Yet, Cassidy still loving Sawyer, sends him to prison. weird. Does "every man for himself" confirm it was Cassidy who sent him to jail? I feel like he was just caught for a different con job.

I think it does
CASSIDY: Hello, Sawyer.
SAWYER: It's James Ford. And I know you know that because you got it right when you pressed charges.

[MusicTalks]

Yeah, I am very curious to so how that plays out too. I just can't wait for the scene where Kate first realizes Sawyers baby mama is good ol Cassidy.

I think its kind of dumb that she did end up sending Sawyer to prison though. In "Left Behind" Kate and Cassidy made an exchange where Cassidy said something like, "will you ever forgive your mom for sending you to jail?" Yet, Cassidy still loving Sawyer, sends him to prison. weird. Does "every man for himself" confirm it was Cassidy who sent him to jail? I feel like he was just caught for a different con job.

I totally said that exact same thing several posts back. I thought I was the only one who thought that, however....

I think it does

This blows my theory right out of the water. Alann, I'm glad you posted this because without it, I would still be convinced it was someone else that sent him to prison.

[nivek87]

thanks, couldn't remember. i am rewatching the episode right now. Did just notice Ben had his little beating baton as early as this episode though.

[nivek87]

I totally said that exact same thing several posts back. I thought I was the only one who thought that


whoops, haha thats what i get for just chiming in without looking

[MusicTalks]

whoops, haha thats what i get for just chiming in without looking

Ah, no worries. These threads fill up fast. Can't read'em all.

[Alextisonfire]

I love the increase in activity that's been going on in this thread, awesome to see so many people posting.

Is everyone still on for watching Cabin Fever at 9 pm est?

[nivek87]

I love the increase in activity that's been going on in this thread, awesome to see so many people posting.

Is everyone still on for watching Cabin Fever at 9 pm est?

I'm in again tonight.

[Alextisonfire]

I will definitely be here.

[nivek87]

I will definitely be here.

good stuff. I am just going to warn everyone now. I might get a little heated about John, his actions, and his stupidity all together.

[Alextisonfire]

good stuff. I am just going to warn everyone now. I might get a little heated about John, his actions, and his stupidity all together.
You and me both. It's hard to contain myself.

[nivek87]

You and me both. It's hard to contain myself.

:beerbros: cheers brother.

[Alextisonfire]

:beerbros: cheers brother.
Amen to that.

This site really does have a smiley for everything haha.

[nivek87]

Amen to that.

This site really does have a smiley for everything haha.

yeah, it seriously does. its locke! :dunce:

[alann]

good stuff. I am just going to warn everyone now. I might get a little heated about John, his actions, and his stupidity all together.
Ha, I remember Drew's reaction to Cabin Fever. Harsh very harsh.
But honestly, team Jack FTW

[Alextisonfire]

yeah, it seriously does. its locke! :dunce:
hahahahah

:squint: that reminds me of him too for some reason

[alann]

Amen to that.

This site really does have a smiley for everything haha.
There's even one for my Locke touches Walt theory
:rape:

[Alextisonfire]

There's even one for my Locke touches Walt theory
:rape:
Coincidence? I think not.

[nivek87]

Ha, I remember Drew's reaction to Cabin Fever. Harsh very harsh.
But honestly, team Jack FTW

Haha oh yes. His reaction was priceless. He tore it to pieces. I definitely didn't feel as negative as Drew did about it, but there were a lot of things I remember not liking. The thing that boost this episode up a lot for me is the guest stars. Abaddon, Christian, Horace, and Richard all in one episode, always awesome, but with all those awesome characters, it could of been turned up several notches. I am curious to see what I think of it this time around, I think I've only watched it twice.

There's even one for my Locke touches Walt theory
:rape:

hahahhaha priceless.

[Alextisonfire]

I've only seen this episode once actually, so this should be a great watch for me again.

[alann]

Seriously, I'll punch someone tonight when young Locke says "Don't tell me what I can't do"

[Greg]

i wont be watching tonight. i am getting season 4 for christmas so i dont have it yet. and my internet is too shaky at the moment to stream something like that.

[nivek87]

i wont be watching tonight. i am getting season 4 for christmas so i dont have it yet. and my internet is too shaky at the moment to stream something like that.

yeah, i am in the same for the season 4 Christmas gift. I bet if you let it start loading now, you'll be in the clear though.

if anyone is planning on watching and doesn't have season 4 on dvd yet, heres a quick loading stream, http://lost-streams.com/video/4x11-cabin-fever