View Full Version : Should Pete Rose be in the Hall Of Fame?
imirish06
06/25/05, 11:00 AM
I think he deserves to be in.
underdawg1119
06/25/05, 11:18 AM
if barry bonds makes it, which he probably will, then pete rose should also.
there's no doubt in my mind that the only reason bonds is sitting out so long is to get the steroids out of his body.
so the way i see it, MLB is messed up if a cheater can go, and pete can't.
takingback98
06/25/05, 11:30 AM
if barry bonds makes it, which he probably will, then pete rose should also.
there's no doubt in my mind that the only reason bonds is sitting out so long is to get the steroids out of his body.
so the way i see it, MLB is messed up if a cheater can go, and pete can't.
id take pete over barry anyday
whitelines
06/25/05, 11:44 AM
Pete Rose is one of the top 3 hitters of all time in the game.
Of course he deserves a spot in the HOF. We all know he belongs there even if it never happens.
Looks like i'm by myself on this one...
If I thought the guy regretted what he did... at all... I might agree with letting him in. But the whole way he went about things proves that the guy 1) hasn't learned his lesson 2) isn't that great of a guy 3) is bad for baseball.
Anyone find it at all odd that he had catigorically denied betting on baseball for the past 20 years and only when his book is about to drop he comes out and admits to it? And what better place to promote your book than the very casinos that got you in this mess. Casino book signings, classy pete.
As a player he was lights out... gave it his all... but It was simple... all he had to do was come out and be a man about it and admit what he did and show remorse for doing it. He would be in right now. But Pete being Pete, putting money and his greed above the game, will never be able to do that.
Don't let him in...
Emopunkthrice
06/25/05, 03:47 PM
He better be in it. Steriods are no-no's. Betting is ok. once Bud Selig dies Pete Rose is going to be in the Hall of Fame.
Trainsaw
06/25/05, 04:25 PM
Hopefully Selig dies soon then
chance_4
06/25/05, 04:38 PM
he has been punished long enough. let him in.
Trainsaw
06/25/05, 04:41 PM
he got the ultimate screw over, everyone was telling him, "go ahead and admit it, you're sure to get in" what does he do admit it and where is he now for it?
he got the ultimate screw over, everyone was telling him, "go ahead and admit it, you're sure to get in" what does he do admit it and where is he now for it?
No one promised him he would get in. He would of got in if he didn't do it as a media stunt for his book. I don't understand how you people can defend someone who has consistently lied to you for the last 20 years. He bet on games he played in. He bet against his team. And then in a last second chance to cash in he admits to it amidst the hype of his new book. Hmmm... The guy doesn't care about you as fans, he doesn't respect the game, and he doesn't deserve to be in the hall of fame. Period.
YearsGoneBy
06/25/05, 07:03 PM
he def should be in...one of the best hitters ever and all he did was bet on baseball and lie, i know its against the rules but who the fuck cares. he was one of the best ball players with the best heart to walk onto the diamond, him and joe jackson should have their plaques in cooperstown without a doubt.
Trainsaw
06/25/05, 07:31 PM
No one promised him he would get in. He would of got in if he didn't do it as a media stunt for his book. I don't understand how you people can defend someone who has consistently lied to you for the last 20 years. He bet on games he played in. He bet against his team. And then in a last second chance to cash in he admits to it amidst the hype of his new book. Hmmm... The guy doesn't care about you as fans, he doesn't respect the game, and he doesn't deserve to be in the hall of fame. Period.
don't take it so seriously, its just baseball and its just one guy, let him in, it harms nothing.
Emopunkthrice
06/25/05, 07:33 PM
Shoeless Joe deserves to be in. I've read some things and it doesn't like he was too much involved with the Black Sox Scandal.
Trainsaw
06/25/05, 07:35 PM
Jesus they let Ty Cobb in and he was a big piece of shit.
Emopunkthrice
06/25/05, 08:12 PM
didn't he always spike people?
underdawg1119
06/25/05, 08:24 PM
yes he did and from what i hear not a damn person came to his funeral
Trainsaw
06/25/05, 08:46 PM
He also killed acouple of people
imirish06
06/26/05, 12:02 AM
There are people in the Hall Of Fame that produced actions that disgrace baseball a lot more than what Pete has done.
thesecondplace
06/26/05, 09:20 AM
Not a chance.
The Hall of Fame is a privilege, not a right. Rose committed the cardinal sin of baseball. He's spent his life, post-baseball, blaming everyone but himself.
Not a chance.
The Hall of Fame is a privilege, not a right. Rose committed the cardinal sin of baseball. He's spent his life, post-baseball, blaming everyone but himself.
thank you...
shermanology
06/27/05, 06:44 PM
I think if got another haircut,m then he should be in. I don't care how good you are, if you have an ugly ass haircut like that, no.
But in all seriousness, its a split decision. I think he should be in, because he didn't do steriods. What he did didn't directly affect baseball.
Caleb Cattivera
06/28/05, 10:10 AM
to all of you who said he shouldnt be in. shame. he IS the greatest hitter of all time, the hall of fame is about career acheivements. 4,000 hits? that right there should alone get him in. pete rose is charley hustle. if he doesnt get in, neither should bonds(don't say he didn't use roids, you're an idiot if you think so.), mcgwire(this coming from a die hard cardinals fan), or anyone else that has used roids.
radiofriendly
06/28/05, 10:24 AM
Not a chance.
The Hall of Fame is a privilege, not a right. Rose committed the cardinal sin of baseball. He's spent his life, post-baseball, blaming everyone but himself.
what is the cardinal of sin of baseball? Pete Rose isn't a thug. he may be a bit crooked in his moral character but let's look at the hall of fames in every league and just ditch the thought that the hall has ever discriminated against a lack of moral character. I agree 100% that the Hall Of Fame is a privelege. i just don't understand why one who is widely considered the best hitter in baseball is not priveliged enough.
great thread
Emopunkthrice
06/28/05, 10:30 AM
Mcgwire's been hitting homeruns his entire life though. he just got some extra juice.
mat1419
06/28/05, 11:21 AM
i say no...and if/when they do decide to let him in, they should let joe jackson in ahead of him
NetNerdsRevenge
06/28/05, 12:58 PM
to all of you who said he shouldnt be in. shame. he IS the greatest hitter of all time, the hall of fame is about career acheivements. 4,000 hits? that right there should alone get him in. pete rose is charley hustle. if he doesnt get in, neither should bonds(don't say he didn't use roids, you're an idiot if you think so.), mcgwire(this coming from a die hard cardinals fan), or anyone else that has used roids.
No way. He is one of the best, but not the greatest.
imirish06
06/28/05, 01:22 PM
All-time Major League record for most career hits-4,256
All-time Major League record for most games played-3,562
All-time Major League record for most at bats-14,053
All-time Major League record for most singles-3,315
All-time Major League record for most total bases by a switch hitter-5,752
All-time Major League record for most seasons of 200 or more hits-10
All-time Major League record for most consecutive seasons of 100 or more hits-23
All-time Major League record for most seasons with 600 or more at bats-17
All-time Major League record for most seasons with 150 or more games played--17
All-time Major League record for most seasons with 100 or more games played-23
Only player in Major League history to play more than 500 games at five different Positions-1B (939) 2B (628) 3B (634) LF (671) RF (595)
Major League record for playing in the most winning games-1,972
All-time National League record for most years played-24
All-time National League record for most consecutive years played-24
All-time National League record for most career runs-2,165
All-time National League record for most career doubles-746
All-time National League record for most games with 5 or more hits-10
Modern National League record for longest consecutive game hitting streak-44
Modern National League Record for most consecutive game hitting streaks of 20 or more games--7
NetNerdsRevenge
06/28/05, 01:36 PM
So, you voted yes then?
Caleb Cattivera
06/28/05, 04:04 PM
No way. He is one of the best, but not the greatest.
then who is? whoever you say is wrong.
then who is? whoever you say is wrong.
Bonds. They pitched to Rose...
About half the stats that irish posted...
All-time Major League record for most games played-3,562
All-time Major League record for most at bats-14,053
All-time Major League record for most seasons with 600 or more at bats-17
All-time Major League record for most seasons with 150 or more games played--17
All-time Major League record for most seasons with 100 or more games played-23
All-time National League record for most years played-24
All-time National League record for most consecutive years played-24
I'm not taking anything away from pete... he was a great hitter. Top 5 if not top 3. Ever. But if you give Barry as many opportunities as Pete got, he would of rewriten history already...
Barry...
A lesser known fact... the guy has 8 gold gloves...
And he made his own club... 400-400... oh, and the 500-500 club...
All-Star (11): 1990, 1992-98, 2000-2002; National League MVP 1990, 1992, 1993, 2001, 2002, 2003, and 2004. Bonds is the only player to win seven MVP awards, and he probably should have won a couple more.
Through 2004, Bonds has led the NL in 11 different offensive categories a total of 61 times in 13 separate seasons.
Bonds' Leaderships:
Games Played (1)
1995
Runs (1)
1992
Home Runs (2)
1993, 2001
RBI (1)
1993
Total Bases (1)
1993
Walks (10)
1992, 1994-1997, 2000-2004
Intentional Walks (11)
1992-1998, 2002-2004
Slugging (7)
1990, 1992-1993, 2001-2004
OBP (8)
1991-1993, 1995, 2001-2004
OPS (9)
1990-1993, 1995, 2001-2004
Total Average (10)
1990-1993, 1995, 1996, 2001-2004
Pete Rose: 8 categories, 32 times, 15 seasons.
SET MAJOR LEAGUE RECORD FOR MOST INTENTIONAL WALKS, CAREER: 355
# SET MAJOR LEAGUE RECORD FOR MOST HOMERUNS, SINGLE SEASON: 73, 2001
# SET MAJOR LEAGUE RECORD FOR MOST HR/100 OUTS, SINGLE SEASON: 22.12, 2001
# SET MAJOR LEAGUE RECORD FOR MOST HR/100 PA, SINGLE SEASON: 10.99, 2001
# SET MAJOR LEAGUE RECORD FOR MOST HR/100 AB, SINGLE SEASON: 15.34, 2001
# SET MAJOR LEAGUE RECORD FOR MOST WALKS, SINGLE SEASON: 177, 2001
# SET MAJOR LEAGUE RECORD FOR HIGHEST SLG, SINGLE SEASON: .863, 2001
# SET MAJOR LEAGUE RECORD FOR HIGHEST OPS, SINGLE SEASON: 1.379, 2001
# SET MAJOR LEAGUE RECORD FOR MOST RCAA, SINGLE SEASON: 173, 2001
# SET MAJOR LEAGUE RECORD FOR HIGHEST OFFENSIVE WINNING PERCENTAGE, SINGLE SEASON: .924, 2001
# SET MAJOR LEAGUE RECORD FOR HIGHEST ISOLATED POWER, SINGLE SEASON: .536, 2001
# SET MAJOR LEAGUE RECORD FOR HIGHEST SECONDARY AVERAGE, SINGLE SEASON: .929, 2001
# SET MAJOR LEAGUE RECORD FOR HIGHEST TOTAL AVERAGE, SINGLE SEASON: 1.851, 2001
# SET MAJOR LEAGUE RECORD FOR HIGHEST BPA, SINGLE SEASON: .907, 2001
# SET NATIONAL LEAGUE RECORD FOR HIGHEST SLG, CAREER: .585
# SET NATIONAL LEAGUE RECORD FOR HIGHEST ISOLATED POWER, CAREER: .293
# SET NATIONAL LEAGUE RECORD FOR HIGHEST SECONDARY AVERAGE, CAREER: .554
# SET NATIONAL LEAGUE RECORD FOR HIGHEST BPA, CAREER: .678
# SET NATIONAL LEAGUE RECORD FOR MOST HOMERUNS, SINGLE SEASON: 73, 2001
# SET NATIONAL LEAGUE RECORD FOR MOST HR/100 OUTS, SINGLE SEASON: 22.12, 2001
# SET NATIONAL LEAGUE RECORD FOR MOST HR/100 PA, SINGLE SEASON: 10.99, 2001
# SET NATIONAL LEAGUE RECORD FOR MOST HR/100 AB, SINGLE SEASON: 15.34, 2001
# SET NATIONAL LEAGUE RECORD FOR MOST WALKS, SINGLE SEASON: 177, 2001
# SET NATIONAL LEAGUE RECORD FOR HIGHEST SLG, SINGLE SEASON: .863, 2001
# SET NATIONAL LEAGUE RECORD FOR HIGHEST OBA, SINGLE SEASON: .515, 2001
# SET NATIONAL LEAGUE RECORD FOR HIGHEST OPS, SINGLE SEASON: 1.379, 2001
# SET NATIONAL LEAGUE RECORD FOR MOST RUNS CREATED, SINGLE SEASON: 232, 2001
# SET NATIONAL LEAGUE RECORD FOR MOST RCAA, SINGLE SEASON: 173, 2001
# SET NATIONAL LEAGUE RECORD FOR MOST RUNS CREATED/GAME, SINGLE SEASON: 18.98, 2001
# SET NATIONAL LEAGUE RECORD FOR HIGHEST OFFENSIVE WINNING PERCENTAGE, SINGLE SEASON: .924, 2001
# SHARES NATIONAL LEAGUE RECORD FOR MOST EXTRA BASE HITS, SINGLE SEASON: 107, 2001
# SET NATIONAL LEAGUE RECORD FOR HIGHEST ISOLATED POWER, SINGLE SEASON: .536, 2001
# SET NATIONAL LEAGUE RECORD FOR HIGHEST SECONDARY AVERAGE, SINGLE SEASON: .929, 2001
# SET NATIONAL LEAGUE RECORD FOR HIGHEST TOTAL AVERAGE, SINGLE SEASON: 1.851, 2001
# SET NATIONAL LEAGUE RECORD FOR HIGHEST BPA, SINGLE SEASON: .907, 2001
Pitchers will flat out not pitch to the guy... he is that dangerous. They intentionally walk him with the bases loaded. The only player that causes the entire defense to basically switch possitions... and most of the time it doesn't even matter because you can't put someone in the stands... He had the single greatest season of all time. THE best hitter of all time...
Caleb Cattivera
06/28/05, 08:18 PM
Bonds. They pitched to Rose...
About half the stats that irish posted...
All-time Major League record for most games played-3,562
All-time Major League record for most at bats-14,053
All-time Major League record for most seasons with 600 or more at bats-17
All-time Major League record for most seasons with 150 or more games played--17
All-time Major League record for most seasons with 100 or more games played-23
All-time National League record for most years played-24
All-time National League record for most consecutive years played-24
I'm not taking anything away from pete... he was a great hitter. Top 5 if not top 3. Ever. But if you give Barry as many opportunities as Pete got, he would of rewriten history already...
Barry...
A lesser known fact... the guy has 8 gold gloves...
And he made his own club... 400-400... oh, and the 500-500 club...
All-Star (11): 1990, 1992-98, 2000-2002; National League MVP 1990, 1992, 1993, 2001, 2002, 2003, and 2004. Bonds is the only player to win seven MVP awards, and he probably should have won a couple more.
Through 2004, Bonds has led the NL in 11 different offensive categories a total of 61 times in 13 separate seasons.
Bonds' Leaderships:
Games Played (1)
1995
Runs (1)
1992
Home Runs (2)
1993, 2001
RBI (1)
1993
Total Bases (1)
1993
Walks (10)
1992, 1994-1997, 2000-2004
Intentional Walks (11)
1992-1998, 2002-2004
Slugging (7)
1990, 1992-1993, 2001-2004
OBP (8)
1991-1993, 1995, 2001-2004
OPS (9)
1990-1993, 1995, 2001-2004
Total Average (10)
1990-1993, 1995, 1996, 2001-2004
Pete Rose: 8 categories, 32 times, 15 seasons.
SET MAJOR LEAGUE RECORD FOR MOST INTENTIONAL WALKS, CAREER: 355
# SET MAJOR LEAGUE RECORD FOR MOST HOMERUNS, SINGLE SEASON: 73, 2001
# SET MAJOR LEAGUE RECORD FOR MOST HR/100 OUTS, SINGLE SEASON: 22.12, 2001
# SET MAJOR LEAGUE RECORD FOR MOST HR/100 PA, SINGLE SEASON: 10.99, 2001
# SET MAJOR LEAGUE RECORD FOR MOST HR/100 AB, SINGLE SEASON: 15.34, 2001
# SET MAJOR LEAGUE RECORD FOR MOST WALKS, SINGLE SEASON: 177, 2001
# SET MAJOR LEAGUE RECORD FOR HIGHEST SLG, SINGLE SEASON: .863, 2001
# SET MAJOR LEAGUE RECORD FOR HIGHEST OPS, SINGLE SEASON: 1.379, 2001
# SET MAJOR LEAGUE RECORD FOR MOST RCAA, SINGLE SEASON: 173, 2001
# SET MAJOR LEAGUE RECORD FOR HIGHEST OFFENSIVE WINNING PERCENTAGE, SINGLE SEASON: .924, 2001
# SET MAJOR LEAGUE RECORD FOR HIGHEST ISOLATED POWER, SINGLE SEASON: .536, 2001
# SET MAJOR LEAGUE RECORD FOR HIGHEST SECONDARY AVERAGE, SINGLE SEASON: .929, 2001
# SET MAJOR LEAGUE RECORD FOR HIGHEST TOTAL AVERAGE, SINGLE SEASON: 1.851, 2001
# SET MAJOR LEAGUE RECORD FOR HIGHEST BPA, SINGLE SEASON: .907, 2001
# SET NATIONAL LEAGUE RECORD FOR HIGHEST SLG, CAREER: .585
# SET NATIONAL LEAGUE RECORD FOR HIGHEST ISOLATED POWER, CAREER: .293
# SET NATIONAL LEAGUE RECORD FOR HIGHEST SECONDARY AVERAGE, CAREER: .554
# SET NATIONAL LEAGUE RECORD FOR HIGHEST BPA, CAREER: .678
# SET NATIONAL LEAGUE RECORD FOR MOST HOMERUNS, SINGLE SEASON: 73, 2001
# SET NATIONAL LEAGUE RECORD FOR MOST HR/100 OUTS, SINGLE SEASON: 22.12, 2001
# SET NATIONAL LEAGUE RECORD FOR MOST HR/100 PA, SINGLE SEASON: 10.99, 2001
# SET NATIONAL LEAGUE RECORD FOR MOST HR/100 AB, SINGLE SEASON: 15.34, 2001
# SET NATIONAL LEAGUE RECORD FOR MOST WALKS, SINGLE SEASON: 177, 2001
# SET NATIONAL LEAGUE RECORD FOR HIGHEST SLG, SINGLE SEASON: .863, 2001
# SET NATIONAL LEAGUE RECORD FOR HIGHEST OBA, SINGLE SEASON: .515, 2001
# SET NATIONAL LEAGUE RECORD FOR HIGHEST OPS, SINGLE SEASON: 1.379, 2001
# SET NATIONAL LEAGUE RECORD FOR MOST RUNS CREATED, SINGLE SEASON: 232, 2001
# SET NATIONAL LEAGUE RECORD FOR MOST RCAA, SINGLE SEASON: 173, 2001
# SET NATIONAL LEAGUE RECORD FOR MOST RUNS CREATED/GAME, SINGLE SEASON: 18.98, 2001
# SET NATIONAL LEAGUE RECORD FOR HIGHEST OFFENSIVE WINNING PERCENTAGE, SINGLE SEASON: .924, 2001
# SHARES NATIONAL LEAGUE RECORD FOR MOST EXTRA BASE HITS, SINGLE SEASON: 107, 2001
# SET NATIONAL LEAGUE RECORD FOR HIGHEST ISOLATED POWER, SINGLE SEASON: .536, 2001
# SET NATIONAL LEAGUE RECORD FOR HIGHEST SECONDARY AVERAGE, SINGLE SEASON: .929, 2001
# SET NATIONAL LEAGUE RECORD FOR HIGHEST TOTAL AVERAGE, SINGLE SEASON: 1.851, 2001
# SET NATIONAL LEAGUE RECORD FOR HIGHEST BPA, SINGLE SEASON: .907, 2001
Pitchers will flat out not pitch to the guy... he is that dangerous. They intentionally walk him with the bases loaded. The only player that causes the entire defense to basically switch possitions... and most of the time it doesn't even matter because you can't put someone in the stands... He had the single greatest season of all time. THE best hitter of all time...
and the last few years of this...he did it all while cheating. so this is a lame ass answer. next.
Emopunkthrice
06/28/05, 08:20 PM
who likes Barry Bonds seriously? once your head grows bigger, something isn't right. maybe he's an alien?
Caleb Cattivera
06/28/05, 08:50 PM
who likes Barry Bonds seriously? once your head grows bigger, something isn't right. maybe he's an alien?
hahaha
Trainsaw
06/28/05, 09:40 PM
Bonds. They pitched to Rose...
About half the stats that irish posted...
All-time Major League record for most games played-3,562
All-time Major League record for most at bats-14,053
All-time Major League record for most seasons with 600 or more at bats-17
All-time Major League record for most seasons with 150 or more games played--17
All-time Major League record for most seasons with 100 or more games played-23
All-time National League record for most years played-24
All-time National League record for most consecutive years played-24
I'm not taking anything away from pete... he was a great hitter. Top 5 if not top 3. Ever. But if you give Barry as many opportunities as Pete got, he would of rewriten history already...
Barry...
A lesser known fact... the guy has 8 gold gloves...
And he made his own club... 400-400... oh, and the 500-500 club...
All-Star (11): 1990, 1992-98, 2000-2002; National League MVP 1990, 1992, 1993, 2001, 2002, 2003, and 2004. Bonds is the only player to win seven MVP awards, and he probably should have won a couple more.
Through 2004, Bonds has led the NL in 11 different offensive categories a total of 61 times in 13 separate seasons.
Bonds' Leaderships:
Games Played (1)
1995
Runs (1)
1992
Home Runs (2)
1993, 2001
RBI (1)
1993
Total Bases (1)
1993
Walks (10)
1992, 1994-1997, 2000-2004
Intentional Walks (11)
1992-1998, 2002-2004
Slugging (7)
1990, 1992-1993, 2001-2004
OBP (8)
1991-1993, 1995, 2001-2004
OPS (9)
1990-1993, 1995, 2001-2004
Total Average (10)
1990-1993, 1995, 1996, 2001-2004
Pete Rose: 8 categories, 32 times, 15 seasons.
SET MAJOR LEAGUE RECORD FOR MOST INTENTIONAL WALKS, CAREER: 355
# SET MAJOR LEAGUE RECORD FOR MOST HOMERUNS, SINGLE SEASON: 73, 2001
# SET MAJOR LEAGUE RECORD FOR MOST HR/100 OUTS, SINGLE SEASON: 22.12, 2001
# SET MAJOR LEAGUE RECORD FOR MOST HR/100 PA, SINGLE SEASON: 10.99, 2001
# SET MAJOR LEAGUE RECORD FOR MOST HR/100 AB, SINGLE SEASON: 15.34, 2001
# SET MAJOR LEAGUE RECORD FOR MOST WALKS, SINGLE SEASON: 177, 2001
# SET MAJOR LEAGUE RECORD FOR HIGHEST SLG, SINGLE SEASON: .863, 2001
# SET MAJOR LEAGUE RECORD FOR HIGHEST OPS, SINGLE SEASON: 1.379, 2001
# SET MAJOR LEAGUE RECORD FOR MOST RCAA, SINGLE SEASON: 173, 2001
# SET MAJOR LEAGUE RECORD FOR HIGHEST OFFENSIVE WINNING PERCENTAGE, SINGLE SEASON: .924, 2001
# SET MAJOR LEAGUE RECORD FOR HIGHEST ISOLATED POWER, SINGLE SEASON: .536, 2001
# SET MAJOR LEAGUE RECORD FOR HIGHEST SECONDARY AVERAGE, SINGLE SEASON: .929, 2001
# SET MAJOR LEAGUE RECORD FOR HIGHEST TOTAL AVERAGE, SINGLE SEASON: 1.851, 2001
# SET MAJOR LEAGUE RECORD FOR HIGHEST BPA, SINGLE SEASON: .907, 2001
# SET NATIONAL LEAGUE RECORD FOR HIGHEST SLG, CAREER: .585
# SET NATIONAL LEAGUE RECORD FOR HIGHEST ISOLATED POWER, CAREER: .293
# SET NATIONAL LEAGUE RECORD FOR HIGHEST SECONDARY AVERAGE, CAREER: .554
# SET NATIONAL LEAGUE RECORD FOR HIGHEST BPA, CAREER: .678
# SET NATIONAL LEAGUE RECORD FOR MOST HOMERUNS, SINGLE SEASON: 73, 2001
# SET NATIONAL LEAGUE RECORD FOR MOST HR/100 OUTS, SINGLE SEASON: 22.12, 2001
# SET NATIONAL LEAGUE RECORD FOR MOST HR/100 PA, SINGLE SEASON: 10.99, 2001
# SET NATIONAL LEAGUE RECORD FOR MOST HR/100 AB, SINGLE SEASON: 15.34, 2001
# SET NATIONAL LEAGUE RECORD FOR MOST WALKS, SINGLE SEASON: 177, 2001
# SET NATIONAL LEAGUE RECORD FOR HIGHEST SLG, SINGLE SEASON: .863, 2001
# SET NATIONAL LEAGUE RECORD FOR HIGHEST OBA, SINGLE SEASON: .515, 2001
# SET NATIONAL LEAGUE RECORD FOR HIGHEST OPS, SINGLE SEASON: 1.379, 2001
# SET NATIONAL LEAGUE RECORD FOR MOST RUNS CREATED, SINGLE SEASON: 232, 2001
# SET NATIONAL LEAGUE RECORD FOR MOST RCAA, SINGLE SEASON: 173, 2001
# SET NATIONAL LEAGUE RECORD FOR MOST RUNS CREATED/GAME, SINGLE SEASON: 18.98, 2001
# SET NATIONAL LEAGUE RECORD FOR HIGHEST OFFENSIVE WINNING PERCENTAGE, SINGLE SEASON: .924, 2001
# SHARES NATIONAL LEAGUE RECORD FOR MOST EXTRA BASE HITS, SINGLE SEASON: 107, 2001
# SET NATIONAL LEAGUE RECORD FOR HIGHEST ISOLATED POWER, SINGLE SEASON: .536, 2001
# SET NATIONAL LEAGUE RECORD FOR HIGHEST SECONDARY AVERAGE, SINGLE SEASON: .929, 2001
# SET NATIONAL LEAGUE RECORD FOR HIGHEST TOTAL AVERAGE, SINGLE SEASON: 1.851, 2001
# SET NATIONAL LEAGUE RECORD FOR HIGHEST BPA, SINGLE SEASON: .907, 2001
Pitchers will flat out not pitch to the guy... he is that dangerous. They intentionally walk him with the bases loaded. The only player that causes the entire defense to basically switch possitions... and most of the time it doesn't even matter because you can't put someone in the stands... He had the single greatest season of all time. THE best hitter of all time...
barry called, he needs his cock back
NetNerdsRevenge
06/29/05, 01:28 AM
then who is? whoever you say is wrong.
Why dont you tell me why you think he is. He doesn't come any where close to all time in avg, slugging %, Homeruns, OBP (which is relative to hitting), RBI, OPS, and comes close in Walks (relative to hitting) and total bases (relative to hitting).
AshesAshes
06/29/05, 02:55 AM
i made this thread before.
radiofriendly
06/29/05, 07:20 AM
Why dont you tell me why you think he is. He doesn't come any where close to all time in avg, slugging %, Homeruns, OBP (which is relative to hitting), RBI, OPS, and comes close in Walks (relative to hitting) and total bases (relative to hitting).
while many of these are relative to hitting, when it comes to actually putting the ball in play, there are only four types of hits in the cycle. Pete Rose holds the record for two....that's half...that makes him candidate for the greatest hitter we've seen in baseball.
Caleb Cattivera
06/29/05, 07:51 AM
Why dont you tell me why you think he is. He doesn't come any where close to all time in avg, slugging %, Homeruns, OBP (which is relative to hitting), RBI, OPS, and comes close in Walks (relative to hitting) and total bases (relative to hitting).
wow youre breaking out on base percentage, and all that shit. grow the fuck up little one. a hit is a hit. 4, 000 hits would make him the greatest hitter of all time.
NetNerdsRevenge
06/29/05, 02:30 PM
while many of these are relative to hitting, when it comes to actually putting the ball in play, there are only four types of hits in the cycle. Pete Rose holds the record for two....that's half...that makes him candidate for the greatest hitter we've seen in baseball.
no, he only leads in singles. Tris speaker leads in Doubles. putting the ball in play is great, but leading in RBI, AVG, Slugging %, and Homeruns, is putting the ball in play. And being productive while doing it.
wow youre breaking out on base percentage, and all that shit. grow the fuck up little one. a hit is a hit. 4, 000 hits would make him the greatest hitter of all time.
yet you completely ignore slugging %, RBI, OPS, AVG, and Homeruns. Instead, you focus on something I said was relative to hitting. Way to go. When you look at great hitters you also have to look at production and power. Two key parts to hitting.
and the last few years of this...he did it all while cheating. so this is a lame ass answer. next.
A very large percentage of baseball players use steroids and NONE of them are close to matching what Barry has done. steroids have been in baseball for a very long time, this is nothing new. Who is to say that Pete never took them? I'm not justifying what Barry has done because it shouldn't be allowed, but disregarding everything he has done throughout his career because of it is ridiculous.
while many of these are relative to hitting, when it comes to actually putting the ball in play, there are only four types of hits in the cycle. Pete Rose holds the record for two....that's half...that makes him candidate for the greatest hitter we've seen in baseball.
Of course he's a cadidate... but he not the greatest hitter of all time. He was a very good hitter that was fortunate enough to play for as long as he did.
still_life
06/29/05, 03:24 PM
Call me crazy, but wouldn't the best hitter of all time be the guy with the best batting average (which would be Ty Cobb)?
NetNerdsRevenge
06/29/05, 03:35 PM
Well, you also have to look at production and power. You can hit for AVG, but if you're not hitting for Power then you probably are not driving in as many runs. Cobb wasnt a big power hitter, but still drove in runs and hit over .400 three times. I have him in my top 5, if not top 3. Its hard for me to pick the greatest hitter because there is so much that goes with hitting and so many great hitters.
Emopunkthrice
06/29/05, 03:47 PM
Barry Bonds and Tony Gywnn can fight for the best hitter of this era.
NetNerdsRevenge
06/29/05, 04:14 PM
or Boggs
AshesAshes
06/29/05, 05:08 PM
Ted Williams is the best hitter ever.
Emopunkthrice
06/29/05, 05:23 PM
some guy in the future will be the best hitter ever haha. then some guy in the later future will beat him.
NetNerdsRevenge
06/29/05, 05:39 PM
Ted Williams is the best hitter ever.
If he hadn't of missed 5 years of his baseball career because of the military service, 3 of which came in his prime, god knows the numbers he would of put up.
Caleb Cattivera
06/29/05, 06:31 PM
A very large percentage of baseball players use steroids and NONE of them are close to matching what Barry has done. steroids have been in baseball for a very long time, this is nothing new. Who is to say that Pete never took them? I'm not justifying what Barry has done because it shouldn't be allowed, but disregarding everything he has done throughout his career because of it is ridiculous.
Of course he's a cadidate... but he not the greatest hitter of all time. He was a very good hitter that was fortunate enough to play for as long as he did.
you're from california. your thoughts are irrelevant.
Fullcollapse3k
06/29/05, 06:47 PM
I'm a Cincinnati Reds fan, but even if I weren't I would still answer this poll with yes. It should be about what you do on the field, and he was a hall of fame quality baseball player.
Emopunkthrice
06/29/05, 07:28 PM
you're from california. your thoughts are irrelevant.
hey bro, I'm from California, don't be hating haha. I don't like Bonds.
you're from california. your thoughts are irrelevant.
Why does that matter?
Caleb Cattivera
06/29/05, 10:20 PM
Why does that matter?
bonds...san fran...obviously youre going to take up for him. thanks for the negative scene points
bonds...san fran...obviously youre going to take up for him. thanks for the negative scene points
I'm an A's fan... there are 4 baseball teams in california.
If you don't want negative scene points then don't be a dick. You've been a prick this enire thread.
AshesAshes
06/29/05, 10:57 PM
If he hadn't of missed 5 years of his baseball career because of the military service, 3 of which came in his prime, god knows the numbers he would of put up.
yea i agree completly.
Emopunkthrice
06/29/05, 11:44 PM
I'm an A's fan... there are 4 baseball teams in california.
If you don't want negative scene points then don't be a dick. You've been a prick this enire thread.
umm dude? aren't they're 5 baseball teams in CA? Athletics-Giants-Angels-Dodgers-Padres...? Caleb's just like that, he'll piss you off for the fun of it.
umm dude? aren't they're 5 baseball teams in CA? Athletics-Giants-Angels-Dodgers-Padres...? Caleb's just like that, he'll piss you off for the fun of it.
I knew I was forgetting one... probably because i've considered the padres a minor league team until late...
Emopunkthrice
06/30/05, 12:27 AM
I knew I was forgetting one... probably because i've considered the padres a minor league team until late...
I see, they're giving the West Division quite a run for their money this year.
NetNerdsRevenge
06/30/05, 02:23 AM
you're from california. your thoughts are irrelevant.
Way to make an ignorant post. Everyone in California must be a Bonds fan...all those A's fans, Angel fans, Padre Fans, and especially Dodger Fans just love the guy. Not to mention the countless fans of teams outside of the state.
thesecondplace
06/30/05, 07:43 AM
A very large percentage of baseball players use steroids
What? How much time do you spend in baseball clubhouses and training facilities?
Way to make an ignorant post. Everyone in California must be a Bonds fan...all those A's fans, Angel fans, Padre Fans, and especially Dodger Fans just love the guy. Not to mention the countless fans of teams outside of the state.
Even a lot of Giants fans don't like the guy. He's an asshole... but he's that good that it really doesn't matter...
Caleb Cattivera
06/30/05, 08:33 AM
umm dude? aren't they're 5 baseball teams in CA? Athletics-Giants-Angels-Dodgers-Padres...? Caleb's just like that, he'll piss you off for the fun of it.
haha yeah...i like pissing people off...but it's all in good fun. kchubb...nerdrevenge...i love you both...seriously. i always give people shit...sorry if i offended you guys. peace ninjas.
NetNerdsRevenge
06/30/05, 01:46 PM
haha yeah...i like pissing people off...but it's all in good fun. kchubb...nerdrevenge...i love you both...seriously. i always give people shit...sorry if i offended you guys. peace ninjas.
Why do people think I (people in general) get pissed off over a discussion? You had a valid point (if you believed it or not) for Pete Rose. I dont agree with it and thats why we have discussions/debates. I thought the Bonds thing was a low blow to us Californians, but now I understand your sadistic intentions....its all good on the western front.
AshesAshes
06/30/05, 01:47 PM
Rose is top 10 player on the field 100percent jackass off the field but the hall of fame shouldnt be based on a guys actions off the field.It almost makes me think if a guy played baseball and sucked but won the nobel peace prize he would be in the baseball hall of fame.Selig is a joke.
workinclasshero
07/01/05, 12:33 AM
Very good ball player, yes
MThompson
07/07/05, 11:50 AM
I think he should absolutely be in the Hall of Fame. He is the ALL-TIME hit leader, how could he not be in the HOF. I really don't think that one bad blemish on his career resume deserves to keep him out, get over it Selig, let him in.
I think he should absolutely be in the Hall of Fame. He is the ALL-TIME hit leader, how could he not be in the HOF. I really don't think that one bad blemish on his career resume deserves to keep him out, get over it Selig, let him in.
agreed
Emopunkthrice
07/07/05, 09:45 PM
like I said once Selig Dies, not a doubt that the committee will vote Rose in.
yeah its a personal thing now
What? How much time do you spend in baseball clubhouses and training facilities?
You're a fool if you ignore the steriod problem in baseball. The number of former players and coaches coming out and saying it. It's been rumored that 80% of pitchers in baseball use. I played football, baseball, and rugby in highschool and baseball was by far the worst when it came to steriods... (football was pretty bad too but i saw very little of it in rugby)... How do you explain the juiced ball era? The number of homeruns hit over the last 20 years? Do I need to make a chart for you? Barry Bonds has used... Big Mac... you think these guys are alone? I may not have access to clubhouses and training facilities but i'm not blind...
You're a fool if you ignore the steriod problem in baseball. The number of former players and coaches coming out and saying it. It's been rumored that 80% of pitchers in baseball use. I played football, baseball, and rugby in highschool and baseball was by far the worst when it came to steriods... (football was pretty bad too but i saw very little of it in rugby)... How do you explain the juiced ball era? The number of homeruns hit over the last 20 years? Do I need to make a chart for you? Barry Bonds has used... Big Mac... you think these guys are alone? I may not have access to clubhouses and training facilities but i'm not blind...
true
NetNerdsRevenge
07/08/05, 02:26 AM
like I said once Selig Dies, not a doubt that the committee will vote Rose in.
hm, unless im missing something, but isnt there a time limit for HOF nominations? I dont think Selig will be out of the game fast enough for the committee to vote him in.
preppyak
07/08/05, 11:47 AM
hm, unless im missing something, but isnt there a time limit for HOF nominations? I dont think Selig will be out of the game fast enough for the committee to vote him in.
And its a shame too. Bonds and the recent HR hitters will get in, but their numbers are inflated by the use of steroids.
Here is where I split cheating into two parts:
1. Where it helps your game
2. Where it helps (or hurts) your bankroll.
As far as I know, Rose put up his numbers without the use of steroids, which is damn impressive. He bet on the game, but I don't believe he ever threw a game just to make money, I believe he always bet on his team to win. Its still wrong, but it didn't enhance his numbers on the field.
Whether or not he is THE greatest hitter ever, he is better then 99% of the hitters in the hall, and he deserves to be their, beacuse you know damn well Barry, Jose, and those guys will be, and what they did is far more disgraceful then Rose.
catchmealone
07/08/05, 12:58 PM
NetNerdsRevenge, you kept bringing up Rose's power, but that is irrelevent. You can't compare a guy like Rose and a guy like Hank Aaron on power. Rose isn't a power hitter, so his power numbers are not that great.
And Caleb, my ninja, I have to disagree as sure fire GOAT. He's the greatest at working hard, hustling every play, giving it 800% every game. But as far as being a "hitter", there are guys like Ty Cobb, Ted Williams, Wade Boggs, Tony Gwynn. They are better "hitters". They knew the art of hitting like no other.
But I can't deny that there is no one greater at putting the ball in play and getting on a base.
And if you say Jose, meaning Canseco, being in the HOF, you are wrong. He has less of a show than David Justice!! That's saying something
NetNerdsRevenge
07/09/05, 02:38 AM
NetNerdsRevenge, you kept bringing up Rose's power, but that is irrelevent. You can't compare a guy like Rose and a guy like Hank Aaron on power. Rose isn't a power hitter, so his power numbers are not that great.
Are you speaking about the greatest hitter portion of this thread? If you are than of course you can compare his power numbers. When trying to name the best hitter (which I think you cant) you have to look at all the hitting stats, power being a part of them. In no way am I trying to discredit what Rose has done, I just dont think you can call him the greatest hitter of all time.
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