Go Lions.

[gnarly sky]

As a Lions fan I am proud that we went 0 -16 yesterday.
At least we own some kind of record...

http://www.nflfootballstadiums.com/images/Detroit-Lions-Logo.gif

[DaveFeelsRight]

neato

[cahrishurr]

You are proud you went 0-16?

yeesh

[acfrue]

really!?!? this is the first time ive heard this story.

You are proud you went 0-16?

yeesh
imagine how excited he would have been if they went 1-15.

[crit]

Nowhere to go but up.

[jaimej]

Needs more Joey.

http://assets.espn.go.com/i/magazine/new/joey_harrington.jpg

[cahrishurr]

really!?!? this is the first time ive heard this story.


imagine how excited he would have been if they went 1-15.

i imagine not so much

[SwiftSilentDead]

First draft pick.

[cahrishurr]

because having the first draft pick is the answer to the Lions problems lolol

[acfrue]

Needs more Joey.

http://assets.espn.go.com/i/magazine/new/joey_harrington.jpg

lolololololol:rotfl:lolololololol

[preppyak]

First draft pick.
First Wide Reciever Taken!

[JimmyIymmiJ]

Hey, if you're 1-15 everyone will forget about you by next year, but if you're 0-16 you can live in infamy forever. This is the plight of a Detroit football fan.

[gnarly sky]

really!?!? this is the first time ive heard this story.


imagine how excited he would have been if they went 1-15.

That's like winning the Super Bowl. Can't think that far... take it one step at a time...

Needs more Joey.

http://assets.espn.go.com/i/magazine/new/joey_harrington.jpg

lmfao.

[Broken Parachute]

I can't wait to buy my Michael Crabtree Lions jersey!

[GiggsOho]

Drew Henson to Michael Crabtree - with the guidance of the offensive mastermind that is Jason Garett. lolol

BRING BACK THIS GUY:

http://www.sudftw.com/watn/Fontes11597.jpg

[gilatron5000]

I think this means they get relocated to NFL Europe.

[LastPlaceRocks]

I don't think NFL Europe exists anymore.

[cahrishurr]

I wish the Fords would sell this team and move it.

[wroteurname]

I have much love for Dan Orlovsky as he singlehandedly turned UConn football into almost respectable program, but still...wow.

[MyWorldEntire]

The Fords need to sell the team, but relocating isn't going to solve the team's problems.

[preppyak]

The Fords need to sell the team, but relocating isn't going to solve the team's problems.
As a free agent...would you rather go to Detroit (useless void) or Los Angeles/Orlando/San Antonio (names I've seen for relocation)

They aren't gonna be good quick by just drafting young talent...free agency could certainly help them, but the combo of a bad area and poor economy are not gonna help any free agent moves they want to make

[rcrook]

I always said I'd root for a team if they came to LA. But the Lions would be tough to root for.

[LastPlaceRocks]

Is there really enough of a fanbase in Orlando that doesn't overlap Tampa and Jacksonville?

[robat19]

If only the Lions still had these two:

http://www.mlive.com/cgi-bin/prxy/photogalleries/nph-cache.cgi/cache=3000;/mlive/images/1652/050429minicamp01.jpg

[LastPlaceRocks]

I always said I'd root for a team if they came to LA. But the Lions would be tough to root for.
Please take good care of the Vikings in 2012.

[preppyak]

Is there really enough of a fanbase in Orlando that doesn't overlap Tampa and Jacksonville?
Well, I heard rumor that Jacksonville might move to Orlando...but, Orlando is also top 5 in the nation in job growth and a decently large city...I'd see LA getting a team over them, but, for example, San Antonio would have overlap from Texas teams yet, in my mind, would more than hold an NFL team

[MyWorldEntire]

As a free agent...would you rather go to Detroit (useless void) or Los Angeles/Orlando/San Antonio (names I've seen for relocation)

They aren't gonna be good quick by just drafting young talent...free agency could certainly help them, but the combo of a bad area and poor economy are not gonna help any free agent moves they want to make

Detroit is not exactly the most desirable city to live in, but there's no way in hell they are relocating the team 5 years after building a 430 million dollar stadium.

[MyWorldEntire]

Please take good care of the Vikings in 2012.

Still no stadium plan?

[LastPlaceRocks]

Well, I heard rumor that Jacksonville might move to Orlando...but, Orlando is also top 5 in the nation in job growth and a decently large city...I'd see LA getting a team over them, but, for example, San Antonio would have overlap from Texas teams yet, in my mind, would more than hold an NFL team
I could see Jacksonville possibly relocating to Orlando as Jacksonville's the third-smallest NFL market and does not have much of a history or fanbase, but that'd be it. Tampa Bay and Orlando's markets literally overlap much in the same way that Philadelphia and New York City's do somewhere in Central Jersey; however unlike those two cities Tampa and Orlando aren't large enough to support two franchises (there's a reason why only one of the two markets have a team in all four major sports). Throw in Northern Florida having a team and fanbase as well (if Jacksonville doesn't move), and it's hard to see how an Orlando team can be successful.

As for San Antonio, it'd have some overlap, but not nearly as much as the two Florida teams. It's far enough from both Dallas and Houston where it can be self-sustaining. The NBA is proof of this.

[preppyak]

Detroit is not exactly the most desirable city to live in, but there's no way in hell they are relocating the team 5 years after building a 430 million dollar stadium.
I'm not saying they are moving out next season...but, the area is definitely not helping them in free agency, and fans won't buy tickets for a 3-13 team...they are gonna set records for lack of attendance next season in my mind, even with cheap ticket prices.

If they fail to turn it around in 2-3 years, the idea absolutely would be floated

[LastPlaceRocks]

Still no stadium plan?
There's a plan, just not enough support to pass it. Throw in the economy and it's not even a major issue.

[MyWorldEntire]

There's a plan, just not enough support to pass it. Throw in the economy and it's not even a major issue.

I can't even imagine how the division's would be re-aligned if the Vikings moved to LA, and the Lions moved to San Antonio or Orlando.

[LastPlaceRocks]

The LA Vikings and St. Louis would probably switch places and the Lions would be the new Tampa Bay.

Alright, that's just making me sad.

[MyWorldEntire]

I hate when the Bears have to play at the Metrodome , but it just wouldn't seem right to not have the Vikings in Minnesota.

And you know they would change the team name as well; Vikings doesn't really sound right for LA.

[LastPlaceRocks]

That didn't stop the Lakers from changing their name.

[bigmike]

I'm not saying they are moving out next season...but, the area is definitely not helping them in free agency, and fans won't buy tickets for a 3-13 team...they are gonna set records for lack of attendance next season in my mind, even with cheap ticket prices.

If they fail to turn it around in 2-3 years, the idea absolutely would be floated
Nah, I doubt the Lions are going to be that bad attendance-wise. This state is a football state as much as I, and the Red Wings, would like to paint it as a hockey state (or baseball state for the 1 year the Tigers were good). Last year they were at something like 93% home compacity which was bottom 3rd in the NFL (think about that, that's nuts!), but still very good monetarily. This year, they were still at 83% (or thereabouts).

And offseason away and a bunch of picks (meaning unknown commodities coming in to "save the Lions") will draw the fans back.

The fact that they're reducing prices on something like 8% of the season tickets and freezing the prices on all other season tickets for 2009 at 2008 prices helps, too.

[acfrue]

I don't think NFL Europe exists anymore.
no it does not. oh how i miss the days of the amsterdam admirals and the rhein fire. :-(

[MyWorldEntire]

That would be pretty rough, LA taking two franchises from Minnesota. Hopefully Minnesota will somehow be able to come up with the cash to keep the team.

[bigmike]

That didn't stop the Lakers from changing their name.
Or the Utah Jazz. Or the Charlotte Hornets.

[LastPlaceRocks]

Or the Utah Jazz. Or the Charlotte Hornets.
Or the Arizona Cardinals. Or the Sacramento Kings. Or the Memphis Grizzlies. The list goes on and on.

[acfrue]

I hate when the Bears have to play at the Metrodome , but it just wouldn't seem right to not have the Vikings in Minnesota.

And you know they would change the team name as well; Vikings doesn't really sound right for LA.
but its perfect for Minnesota?

[MyWorldEntire]

but its perfect for Minnesota?

Never said it was perfect, but it makes more sense for Minnesota than it does for LA.

[bigmike]

And by "perfect," you mean "been around long enough that it just sounds natural."

[acfrue]

Never said it was perfect, but it makes more sense for Minnesota than it does for LA.

true, i guess im trying to say that most team names/mascots make no sense in relation to the city.

[LastPlaceRocks]

Of course it's perfect. You mean there aren't a lot of Lions in Detroit either?

[gilatron5000]

but its perfect for Minnesota?There is(or at least used to be) a rather large Scandinavian population in MN.

I'm all for the LA Implants, though.

[gnarly sky]

If only the Lions still had these two:

http://www.mlive.com/cgi-bin/prxy/photogalleries/nph-cache.cgi/cache=3000;/mlive/images/1652/050429minicamp01.jpg

Ha, you forgot the other failed player, Kevin Jones out of Virginia Tech.

[bigmike]

kevin jones had a productive rookie year (or 2nd year, cant remember) not unlike what kevin smith had this year.

then the o line got worse and he had a shitty weird foot injury and lost whatever explosiveness he had.

[gnarly sky]

Btw, this talk of relocating needs to stop.

Not going to happen.

[more heart]

they really should take a qb, no more recievers.

[thesafeword]

No, no, no, Crabtree really could solve all of their problems. Did you not watch the Texas A&M- Texas game?

[gnarly sky]

they really should take a qb, no more recievers.

Yeah, that's pretty obvious. They have Calvin now, who proved this year he was the most electrifying receiver in the NFL.

But taking a rookie QB and putting him as a starter is risking, didn't you see the Joey Harrington picture earlier in this thread?

It will be better drafting and starting on a O line, like said earlier.

[more heart]

.

But taking a rookie QB and putting him as a starter is risking, didn't you see the Joey Harrington picture earlier in this thread?

to be fair, Harrington hasn't been any good anywhere else.

that team is lacking any kind of leader ship and i think a good franchise QB would help a bit.

[gnarly sky]

to be fair, Harrington hasn't been any good anywhere else.

that team is lacking any kind of leader ship and i think a good franchise QB would help a bit.

Yeah, but a 23 year old rookie won't give them that...

You know how bad I wanted them to pick up Drew Brees when San Diego released him?
I prayed...

But Matt Millen probably fucked that up at the time.

[more heart]

Yeah, but a 23 year old rookie won't give them that...

You know how bad I wanted them to pick up Drew Brees when San Diego released him?
I prayed...

But Matt Millen probably fucked that up at the time.

well look at matt ryan, he helped the falcons to the playoffs. maybe i'm wrong in saying that though because the lions may be in worse shape than the falcons a year ago. what i do know is that some overhaul needs to take place for that franchise.

[Broken Parachute]

Yeah, that's pretty obvious. They have Calvin now, who proved this year he was the most electrifying receiver in the NFL.

But taking a rookie QB and putting him as a starter is risking, didn't you see the Joey Harrington picture earlier in this thread?

It will be better drafting and starting on a O line, like said earlier.

to be fair, Harrington hasn't been any good anywhere else.

that team is lacking any kind of leader ship and i think a good franchise QB would help a bit.Don't you guys even dare....

Joey is a saint.

[Uwe Blab]

Don't they already have like 5 quarterbacks?

[jtyexists9]

Hey, I say the Lions were the best team to go 0-16, oh wait.

[Chris M.]

No, no, no, Crabtree really could solve all of their problems. Did you not watch the Texas A&M- Texas game?

Crabtree doesn't play for either of those teams...

[Scott Weber]

Crabtree doesn't play for either of those teams...
lol, zing.

[B00sh]

crabtree, and trade to get bradford if he goes.

[bigmike]

they really should take a qb, no more recievers.
Dynamite drop-in, Monty!

crabtree, and trade to get bradford if he goes.
Is this serious? You want them to acquire to sure-fire top 5 picks (if both guys come out) in this draft? Oh. Someone get the Lions front office on the phone, we've got a plan!

[preppyak]

well look at matt ryan, he helped the falcons to the playoffs. maybe i'm wrong in saying that though because the lions may be in worse shape than the falcons a year ago. what i do know is that some overhaul needs to take place for that franchise.
And look at Ryan Leaf...for every franchise QB that worked out, there are plenty that haven't. What did the Dolphins do with the pick? They got the guy that would cost them the least money (that they still wanted), built their lines, and picked up key players through free agency

Now, Detroit is dealing with a front office that is atrocious, actually, I'm convinced that Mayhew may have made this post himself:
crabtree, and trade to get bradford if he goes.
But, the way to build your franchise is to not overpay for a position that, without the line, is titled "sitting duck". Matt Ryan worked because the Falcons had a decent line and were bringing in a RB to take pressure off...among other things...but he also cost the Falcons $35mil in guaranteed money...his total contract cost the Falcons $9mil more than what Long's did. You can sign a few important role players with $2mil in a year...like, slot WR's, extra linement, etc. And from what I saw, the Lions need help at every position...they're not an 11 win team under any scenario other than 20 teams folding and everyone joining the Lions next year

More importantly, the teams that lose the potential Matt Cassel sweepstakes may decide that trading up from their spot is a good decision to grab the QB of their choice (I really doubt it though, unless Sam Bradford throws for 500yds v Florida), and so you may be able to turn that 1 pick into multiple picks, and in turn, save yourself some money wasted on a top 5 pick

[thesafeword]

Crabtree doesn't play for either of those teams...
Fuck, I meant Tech.

[J.C.]

I think they'll ultimately go QB. They need one and that's the easiest way to show the fanbase you're turning the page. They stockpiled up some picks with the Williams trade so they'll have ample opportunity to address the defense.

[Scott Weber]

Fuck, I meant Tech.
That's wazzu education for you.

[thesafeword]

That's wazzu education for you.
2-10>0-12

[Scott Weber]

2-10>0-12
National title, apple cup records, superior education/reputation, living in seattle > ______

[thesafeword]

Speaking of the Lions...

[Scott Weber]

Speaking of the Lions...
hey, i say take your shots when you can. you don't have many chances.

[thesafeword]

I'll take them when I can get them and recently there's been plenty of chances and I don't know if I see that changing anytime soon.

[Scott Weber]

I'll take them when I can get them and recently there's been plenty of chances and I don't know if I see that changing anytime soon.
yes, ride that high 2-10 wave along with consecutive early march madness exits! enjoy being dropped below regional state schools in prestige!

[thesafeword]

Sweet 16 isn't an early exit and I believe that we man-handled Winthrop and Notre Dame before losing to a very, very good UNC team. I also believe that we have beat the Huskies 7 times in a row in basketball.

[Scott Weber]

Sweet 16 isn't an early exit and I believe that we man-handled Winthrop and Notre Dame before losing to a very, very good UNC team. I also believe that we have beat the Huskies 7 times in a row in basketball.
2 and done sounds about right to me.

that's alright, I watched UW basketball mash all the way through college, so you can have your time now. clearly you have massive bragging rights built on rich tradition! It's like a squirrel finding their first nut.

[thesafeword]

I'm just saying that the now is more important than the past.

[Scott Weber]

I'm just saying that the now is more important than the past.
Ok, so a 2-10 football team and a basketball team worse than UW's is your argument? Interesting.

[rcrook]

id rather have a shit basketball and football team and live in seattle than have a shit football team and a decent basketball team and live in pullman.

[thesafeword]

Ok, so a 2-10 football team and a basketball team worse than UW's is your argument? Interesting.I never bragged about our football team, I just noted that we managed to win a couple of games rather than going winless and we'll just see how good the Huskies are on Saturday.

[Scott Weber]

I never bragged about our football team, I just noted that we managed to win a couple of games rather than going winless and we'll just see how good the Huskies are on Saturday.
hahaha, ok. i look forward to your one game smack talk if you win, and complete dismissal of your "now is what matters" argument if you lose.

[thesafeword]

If we lose, I'll blame it on Tony Bennett and/or Taylor Rochestie and if we win I'll just enjoy it because a) we need a win right now and b) it's always nice beating the Huskies.

[B00sh]

Dynamite drop-in, Monty!


Is this serious? You want them to acquire to sure-fire top 5 picks (if both guys come out) in this draft? Oh. Someone get the Lions front office on the phone, we've got a plan!
I really don't give a shit what they do, I'm not a fan. I was just saying I wonder if Bradford/Crabtree/Johnson would become a Touchdown Trifecta!!! Maybe the Lions could pick up Edge too, he says he wants nothing to do with the Cardinals next year.

[xbrokendownx]

yes, Edgerrin James is exactly what the Lions need

[acfrue]

the lions pretty much need everything except a wide reciever. theyre looking at bradford (if he comes out) and stafford, but they really need to get someone for the o-line so maybe theyll go with andre smith out of alabama.

[Scott Weber]

If we lose, I'll blame it on Tony Bennett and/or Taylor Rochestie and if we win I'll just enjoy it because a) we need a win right now and b) it's always nice beating the Huskies.
u mad?

[gnarly sky]

I'm watching the Championship game.
And Sam Bradford reminds me a lot of Peyton Manning.

Now all I want is the Lions to draft him.
PleasePleasePlease.

[JimmyIymmiJ]

That's the biggest reason I'm rooting for Oklahoma. If he loses he may want to come back for another try, but if he wins there's no reason not to go pro. I would love to see him as a Lion too!

[J.C.]

I wish Stafford had Bradford's decision making ability and accuracy or Bradford had Stafford's arm and mobility in the pocket. I think both could be good, but they do have glaring holes as prospects.

[gnarly sky]

I think the Commissioner will stress Mr. Ford to not sell the team, or keep the team there, for the sake of Detroit. DETROIT NEEDS SPORTS.

They're the #1 sports city in the nation, come on.

[xbrokendownx]

based on what?

[acfrue]

how does detroit beat out boston or new york for the number 1 sports city?

[lindZ629]

SCZvQEKQ9y8

[acfrue]

SCZvQEKQ9y8

haha, "I shed blood for them," Dan the Lions Fan.

this video makes me embarrassed that i live in michigan.

[Broken Parachute]

They're the #1 sports city in the nation, come on.Where do you come up with this shit? All of your posts have been filled with the most ridiculous comments. How is Detroit the #1 sports city?

[gnarly sky]

Where do you come up with this shit? All of your posts have been filled with the most ridiculous comments. How is Detroit the #1 sports city?

Jesus, I didn't know I had to cite my sources...


But excuse me, they were in 2007. They came out with the new list in Oct for 2008. Detroit was bumped down to #2... this work?

2007
http://www.wzzm13.com/news/news_article.aspx?storyid=78746
http://www.bizjournals.com/boston/stories/2008/10/06/daily16.html

2008
http://www.sportingnews.com/yourturn/viewtopic.php?t=468401

PS. If you don't like my post or if they irritate you, bug you, or whatever you find wrong with them, then I have a soltuion, ignore me and/or don't reply to anything I say.

[xbrokendownx]

showing that the sporting news said it is not proof that it should be a fact

[Broken Parachute]

:hitself:

[gnarly sky]

No, but I am putting in an opinion.

Nevermind, there is no getting to you guys.

I could probably post every sporting companies lists, Detroit could be #1 on all of them. But it would't matter. And I would get this, "who says their opinion is right?"

Alright, the shit is dropped.

[Broken Parachute]

What is wrong with you? USE YOUR OWN OPINION. Do you honestly think Detroit is the #1, or even #2 sports city in the country? What is your honest opinion?

[gnarly sky]

http://sports.espn.go.com/espn/page2/story?page=whitlock/050711

But there is another opinion.

But they did 4th in ESPNs Titletown.

http://sports.espn.go.com/espn/titletown/index

[Scott Weber]

http://sports.espn.go.com/espn/page2/story?page=whitlock/050711

But there is another opinion.
Updated: JULY 2005

[xbrokendownx]

titletown LOL

all credibility = lost

[gnarly sky]

Well either way, Detroit is consistently on top of the sports world.

[xbrokendownx]

hey guys valdosta, GA is the best sports city because ESPN titletown said so

[gnarly sky]

What is wrong with you? USE YOUR OWN OPINION. Do you honestly think Detroit is the #1, or even #2 sports city in the country? What is your honest opinion?

To answer, fuck yes I do.

Lions suck, sure. Red Wings; one of the best sport franchises ever. Recently won the Stanley Cup. Tiger; up and down but still have great years and a great team. In the 2006 World Series. Pistons; consistent and one hell of a team. 6 Eastern Conference finals appearances, 1 Finals title, 2 Finals appearances.

I don't know one city who is that consistent, except Boston. Which is why they're #1 now. But it's Boston's recent success in the last 2 years that made them #1. But in the 2000's, I'll easily say Detroit is the best sports city.

[Broken Parachute]

It's not just about championships. We are talking about fanbase as well.

[acfrue]

hey guys valdosta, GA is the best sports city because ESPN titletown said so

of course valdosta is titletown, everyone has heard of it.

[gnarly sky]

It's not just about championships. We are talking about fanbase as well.

Did you see this?

SCZvQEKQ9y8

Ha.

But true, to that I would have to point to the Red Wings Joe Louis Arena. A hockey arena that is consistantley brings in 20,000 fans a game. Lions fans, even though they may not sell out, still attend... maybe with grocery bags over their heads. The Pistons Palace at Auburn Hills consistantley have sell out.

It's Detroit, dude. Sports is all they have now.

[acfrue]

It's not just about championships. We are talking about fanbase as well.

which is why detroit is NOT the #1 sports city, IMO its boston or new york.

[xbrokendownx]

correct me if im wrong but didnt the red wings have trouble selling out in the playoffs? i know im not one to make jabs at attendance due to my hockey team but still

[Broken Parachute]

The Palace at Auburn Hills packs out...so they can brawl other NBA teams.

[J.C.]

I'd go with New York City.

[gnarly sky]

correct me if im wrong but didnt the red wings have trouble selling out in the playoffs? i know im not one to make jabs at attendance due to my hockey team but still

I don't think so. I can't really show you anything, but I am an avid Red Wings fan and I haven't heard anything about that.

But the Lions 2008 Thanksgiving day game almost wasn't televised because they couldn't hit 75% attendance.

[Broken Parachute]

Tampa Bay and Dallas have better attendance than Detroit.

[acfrue]

correct me if im wrong but didnt the red wings have trouble selling out in the playoffs? i know im not one to make jabs at attendance due to my hockey team but still

Detroit in general has had trouble with attendance (http://www.behindthejersey.com/2007/04/27/analyzing-red-wings-ticket-sales/).

Sellouts?
The Pistons have played two home playoff games so far this postseason (they lead the series, 3-0, by the way). They sold out in both games. The Red Wings have played four home playoff games so far (three in the first round and one in the second). They have sold out none of those games.

[bigmike]

The fact that Detroit looks like a 3rd world country automatically takes it out from best sports city. When there's no bums harassing you when you leave a tigers game for money to buy a pint of popov vodka, I'll consider it being one of the best.