Envy on the Coast not down with AP

[eHaMpToN]

so at the envy on the coast concert tonight (i went for Crime in Stereo seeing as i am heterosexual) Ryan Hunter (lead vox) stars bashing my boy tate for no good reason other than the fact he didn't like the new TBS song. He went on and on saying how tate sucks and about has never picked up an instrument in his life. so im curious to know what did AP ever do to Envy on the Coast other than maybe give their album a bad review. Because him calling out Tate like that just isn't hiphop

[imahoodlum]

Drammmmmma. But in all seriousness, that TBS song wasn't good.

[AP_Punk]

hahaha. awesome.

tate was saying they post a lot around here, mostly trashing other bands. and that's why he ain't down with 'em, i think.

oh and he thinks their music sucks too.

[robat19]

hopefully they read this

[xOBEYx5]

so at the envy on the coast concert tonight (i went for Crime in Stereo seeing as i am heterosexual) Ryan Hunter (lead vox) stars bashing my boy tate for no good reason other than the fact he didn't like the new TBS song. He went on and on saying how tate sucks and about has never picked up an instrument in his life. so im curious to know what did AP ever do to Envy on the Coast other than maybe give their album a bad review. Because him calling out Tate like that just isn't hiphop

Dude, first of all, liking Envy's music has absolutely nothing to do with your sexual orientation considering I love their music and I like chicks. I was there tonight and I wasn't down with the whole shitting on AP.net thing either but thats low. I disagreed with his statement towards AP and in my opinion I don't really dig the new song that much but hey, the album could be good. It was a little weird that he was slamming Tate and AP though which bummed me out.

[thesafeword]

Shit dudes, Envy on the Coast is edgy.

[underthetalking]

Your boy Tate?

Really?

[underthetalking]

This website has gotten a lot crappier in recent times.

[thesafeword]

Your boy Tate?

Really?
You heard him.

[Renee]

Too bad The Honorary Title and Nightmare of You weren't playing the same date.

[TheOtherAndrew]

Internet shit talking should never intersect with real life shit talking.

[Miss Heartcore]

Wow, this was posted fast....

[x togepi x]

meh. tons of people who don't post on this site hate this site. at least the guy had the balls to say it in real life so tate, etc can call him out on it.

[SickOfStars]

my good friend says that 1/2 the people on this site have no way of discerning the quality of music so they just like everything that's thrown at them. he does this by comparing them to the boy in the department store in a christmas story that awkwardly stares at the main character and says "........I liiiike the wizard of oz" with a blank expression on his face.


...I am not going to say he's wrong.



so it's awkward that someone choosing to not like something is the reason that this site would ever get called out.

[x togepi x]

well bob MY good friend says this site sucks because they don't like anything worthwhile so maybe our friends need to fight.

[Joe DeAndrea]

EOTC is so bad.

[Miss Heartcore]

so at the envy on the coast concert tonight (i went for Crime in Stereo seeing as i am heterosexual) Ryan Hunter (lead vox) stars bashing my boy tate for no good reason other than the fact he didn't like the new TBS song. He went on and on saying how tate sucks and about has never picked up an instrument in his life. so im curious to know what did AP ever do to Envy on the Coast other than maybe give their album a bad review. Because him calling out Tate like that just isn't hiphop
There was a little more to it than that...

[TheOtherAndrew]

There was a little more to it than that...
Fill in the blanks.

[Miss Heartcore]

Ryan was basically saying that for someone who isn't actually a musician, Jason Tate has a lot to say about the new song from TBS or just about music in general. You can't expect TBS to still be making records like Tell All Your Friends when they're "grown ups" now. They're not in the same mind frame and thus can't be expected to continue singing those songs/writing material like that.

[TheOtherAndrew]

So, by that logic, I should be expecting "grown ups" to write records like Louder Now? Just sayin'.

[Miss Heartcore]

So, by that logic, I should be expecting "grown ups" to write records like Louder Now? Just sayin'.
Well it's just like the whole thing with Blink 182...they're not going to be singing about Dicks and Farts right now because they aren't in that mindset and frankly, don't want to be.

[TheOtherAndrew]

...but dicks and farts are universal!

[hockeyguitar99]

I enjoy EOTC, and the were nice when I met them, but they are acting like real douche bags with the whole AP thing. It's really stupid that he said he's not a musician so he can't criticize music.

[lilRIPsta]

damn. Ryan committed career suicide cuz this site makes or breaks you if you're in the scene. too bad cuz i like EOTC and think they have some talent.

[eHaMpToN]

You heard him.

fucking right bro

[eHaMpToN]

EOTC is so bad.

/thread

[eHaMpToN]

Shit dudes, Envy on the Coast is edgy.

irl lol'd

[eHaMpToN]

Wow, this was posted fast....

i am on top of shit

[viva la cymche!]

damn. Ryan committed career suicide cuz this site makes or breaks you if you're in the scene. too bad cuz i like EOTC and think they have some talent. What the fuck are you talking about? Cute Is What We Aim For has bad blood with AP, but they're still pretty big. Unfortunately.

[eHaMpToN]

i think he was bein' sarcastic.
just sayin'

[viva la cymche!]

i think he was bein' sarcastic.
just sayin' If he was then I'll apologize, but I doubt it.

[tm decomposer]

going to this tonight lawls.

[Miss Heartcore]

going to this tonight lawls.
See ya there! :wave:

[Regards]

There are plenty of people who don't need to pick up an instrument to discern good music from bad. This band is terrible, I don't need to be able to play a sitar to know that.

[Miss Heartcore]

I think Ryan was trying to say, "Listen, if you don't write/record/make albums, you don't really understand why an artist can't go back to their original sound...people just evolve and you can't expect them to want to stay in or go back to that mindset that they had when they first started because they've grown up".

[MADSTA]

So am I the only one here that likes Envy on the Coast?

[Joe DeAndrea]

There are plenty of people who don't need to pick up an instrument to discern good music from bad. This band is terrible, I don't need to be able to play a sitar to know that.

It's seriously the absolute worst argument in the history of the world. Even if I was in a band, one worse than Brokencyde, it wouldn't change the fact that EOTC isn't good.

[tm decomposer]

See ya there! :wave:

Gulp. I'll be in a north face. Say HAYYYYY

[Miss Heartcore]

Gulp. I'll be in a north face. Say HAYYYYY
:-)

I'll keep an eye out for you!

[sundaydrivetsl]

Who and who?

[ThisIsNotDan]

don't agree with a good deal with what Jason says, but its his website. what are ya gonna do?

[Getup and Dance]

LETS KICK SOME FUCKING ASS!



x

[SickOfStars]

well bob MY good friend says this site sucks because they don't like anything worthwhile so maybe our friends need to fight.

I think their arguments more or less amount to the same thing because what's thrown at them around here is mostly not "worthwhile" by a lot of sources outside the site itself.

[xOBEYx5]

It's seriously the absolute worst argument in the history of the world. Even if I was in a band, one worse than Brokencyde, it wouldn't change the fact that EOTC isn't good.

I agree with the fact that saying that he has never played music has nothing to do with how well someone can judge or critique music and it is a bad argument, however EOTC is better than most bands out there; especially after hearing their new stuff. Also on the other hand I don't think that you can accurately judge a band's new album or sound for that matter just based on one song; it has to be judged as a full album.

[fly_guy]

haha, I hate EOTC so much

[tm decomposer]

I agree with the fact that saying that he has never played music has nothing to do with how well someone can judge or critique music and it is a bad argument, however EOTC is better than most bands out there; especially after hearing their new stuff. Also on the other hand I don't think that you can accurately judge a band's new album or sound for that matter just based on one song; it has to be judged as a full album.
Not close at all.

[xOBEYx5]

Not close at all.

Okay, well maybe you don't dig their sound but they are more talented and hardworking that most bands in this "scene" considering I know them personally and they are all sweet guys that bust their asses trying to make good music and don't go the easy way out and play electro-neon-dance-pop shit.

[Joe DeAndrea]

Okay, well maybe you don't dig their sound but they are more talented and hardworking that most bands in this "scene" considering I know them personally and they are all sweet guys that bust their asses trying to make good music and don't go the easy way out and play electro-neon-dance-pop shit.

Hardworking and nice doesn't equal good. Aiden is nice, and they're hardworking, but their music is horrible. EOTC may be talented, but it doesn't mean their songs are good.

[eHaMpToN]

See ya there! :wave:

you're coming from jersey to see EOTC TWICE!?

[Miss Heartcore]

you're coming from jersey to see EOTC TWICE!?
There's only like 2 or 3 bands that I travel for a lot and EOTC is one of them. Also, my friend's band is opening tonight annnd Steel Train is playing.

[xOBEYx5]

Hardworking and nice doesn't equal good. Aiden is nice, and they're hardworking, but their music is horrible. EOTC may be talented, but it doesn't mean their songs are good.

Well thats all opinion, whether or not their songs are "good". But they deserve as much credit as other bands out there do.

[eHaMpToN]

There's only like 2 or 3 bands that I travel for a lot and EOTC is one of them. Also, my friend's band is opening tonight annnd Steel Train is playing.

saw steel train with kevin devine, good stuff. and the gay blades are good.

[Miss Heartcore]

saw steel train with kevin devine, good stuff. and the gay blades are good.
Yea they're not bad. I used to like Jay's old band, Hello Lovely.

[ship of fools]

http://www.absolutepunk.net/showthread.php?t=517481

Envy On The Coast and AP, pre-drama. Read the comments.

[fly_guy]

http://www.absolutepunk.net/showthread.php?t=517481

Envy On The Coast and AP, pre-drama. Read the comments.

That wasnt really drama. He agreed with the fans and thats it...

[Machu505]

lolz

[ship of fools]

That wasnt really drama. He agreed with the fans and thats it...


That's not my point. My point is how often do you see news posts from bands with comments of 100 plus messages with nothing but pure praise? Brand New, and that's it. But for the size of EOTC, that thread was unprecedented.

Some dude even said in the middle of the thread..
"I have to say though, this is seriously the first time I have seen on an ap.net news posting that nothing bad has been said about a band in regards to their music. I'm glad a lot of people feel the same or similarly to myself about them."
And he was right.

And now since Jason took that low shot on their lyrics in the Glassjaw thread and they defended themselves, magically they are a terrible band. Well Lucy Gray is still the same album...

[Vermillion]

So will I get more e-cred liking or hating Envy on the Coast?

[Miss Heartcore]

lol You'll get more e-cred hating Metro Station and liking Lydia or Bon Iver. Think of it that way.

[Vermillion]

lol You'll get more e-cred hating Metro Station and liking Lydia or Bon Iver. Think of it that way.
Ah shit, I already posted somewhere that I couldn't get into Lydia.

Edit time.

[tm decomposer]

There's only like 2 or 3 bands that I travel for a lot and EOTC is one of them. Also, my friend's band is opening tonight annnd Steel Train is playing.

What band? My friend is also opening haha.

This will mark my 10th time seeing Steel Train. And that's just fucking grand.

[fly_guy]

That's not my point. My point is how often do you see news posts from bands with comments of 100 plus messages with nothing but pure praise? Brand New, and that's it. But for the size of EOTC, that thread was unprecedented.

Some dude even said in the middle of the thread..
"I have to say though, this is seriously the first time I have seen on an ap.net news posting that nothing bad has been said about a band in regards to their music. I'm glad a lot of people feel the same or similarly to myself about them."
And he was right.

And now since Jason took that low shot on their lyrics in the Glassjaw thread and they defended themselves, magically they are a terrible band. Well Lucy Gray is still the same album...

Very true

[Miss Heartcore]

What band? My friend is also opening haha.

This will mark my 10th time seeing Steel Train. And that's just fucking grand.
Big City Lights.

[fly_guy]

I just never liked them at all, though. This doesnt influence whether I like them or not

[Chancetobe]

Your boy Tate?

Really?

haha. I thought the same thing. Like the OP and Tate are BFF's or something.

So, by that logic, I should be expecting "grown ups" to write records like Louder Now? Just sayin'.
I'm just going to defend Louder Now, since no one else ever will. It sounds basically the same as all of their other albums, I don't really understand how so many people hate it.
don't agree with a good deal with what Jason says, but its his website. what are ya gonna do?
Agreed. He can be mean sometimes, but, it's his site, and if you want to post here, then deal with it. If it weren't for him, then a bunch of us wouldn't have the million posts that we do.
So will I get more e-cred liking or hating Envy on the Coast?
Hating. Hate any band that has a crowd primarily composed of 13-16 year old females, and you'll be rolling in the e-cred.

lol You'll get more e-cred hating Metro Station and liking Lydia or Bon Iver. Think of it that way.
:lol:

[Praetor]

That's not my point. My point is how often do you see news posts from bands with comments of 100 plus messages with nothing but pure praise? Brand New, and that's it. But for the size of EOTC, that thread was unprecedented.

Some dude even said in the middle of the thread..
"I have to say though, this is seriously the first time I have seen on an ap.net news posting that nothing bad has been said about a band in regards to their music. I'm glad a lot of people feel the same or similarly to myself about them."
And he was right.

And now since Jason took that low shot on their lyrics in the Glassjaw thread and they defended themselves, magically they are a terrible band. Well Lucy Gray is still the same album...
Still just as bad.

[ship of fools]

Still just as bad.
The overwhelming consensus of that news posts proves otherwise.

[Praetor]

The overwhelming consensus of that news posts proves otherwise.
Obviously that post = my opinion and those posts = their opinion. I think this is a terrible fucking album and no amount of posts in a forum will change my opinion. Nickelback's newest album placed #6 on the Billboard charts recently, do you consider that proof that that's a good album?

[tm decomposer]

Big City Lights.
ooo me 2

[tm decomposer]

Obviously that post = my opinion and those posts = their opinion. I think this is a terrible fucking album and no amount of posts in a forum will change my opinion. Nickelback's newest album placed #6 on the Billboard charts recently, do you consider that proof that that's a good album?
You're one of the posters, I'm starting to find your posts annoying and just plain prickish. Since when do you have such a loud mouth with everything you say? For a 15 year old, you sure do speak your mind.

[Praetor]

You're one of the posters, I'm starting to find your posts annoying and just plain prickish. Since when do you have such a loud mouth with everything you say? For a 15 year old, you sure do speak your mind.
That was a little over the top, I admit. Shitty mood, whatever.

[Colorblind!]

I'm just going to defend Louder Now, since no one else ever will. It sounds basically the same as all of their other albums, I don't really understand how so many people hate it.


Louder Now is NOTHING like Tell All Your Friends?
They sound like two completely different bands.

[ship of fools]

Dude, Nickleback and your whole argument has nothing to do with what I was saying.

[Praetor]

Dude, Nickleback and your whole argument has nothing to do with what I was saying.
You were saying that EOTC's album was good because a lot of people said it was. I was saying that that had no impact on an album's quality (especially since quality is completely subjective) and provided an example that supported my argument, which I'm fairly is a band that you do not like.

[Joe DeAndrea]

Well thats all opinion, whether or not their songs are "good". But they deserve as much credit as other bands out there do.

An opinion as well.

[Miss Heartcore]

Nightmare of You also talked shit on AP so it wasn't as though Envy were the only ones.

[fadedmemories]

What exactly did I miss?

[carolsaidd]

Nightmare of You also talked shit on AP so it wasn't as though Envy were the only ones.

Did they? I must not have heard that. Oh well, I like absolutepunk but Envy made a logical point. HOWEVER, being a Taking Back Sunday fan and understanding that they are growing and changing hardly bares any relevance on the fact that the new song is awful.

[combatbaby]

Nightmare of You also talked shit on AP so it wasn't as though Envy were the only ones.

What did they say?

[xOBEYx5]

You're one of the posters, I'm starting to find your posts annoying and just plain prickish. Since when do you have such a loud mouth with everything you say? For a 15 year old, you sure do speak your mind.

That's funny because I believe it says your 16 years old to the left, hmmmm.

An opinion as well.

In the case of getting credit where credit is due, then no that is not an opinion. It is something earned by the people in the "scene" and the industry as a whole. They have toured their asses off non-stop and have developed a solid fan base through that. This is where I understand where Ryan was coming from in the first place; people that barely go to shows and see what these people go through on a daily basis and still shitting on not only their music but them as people and musicians and not giving them credit. Bullshit.

[Miss Heartcore]

What did they say?
They were talking about how they had their albums available for purchase on Vinyl and "if anyone wanted to, they could tell that fucking website absolute fucking shit whatever .net whatever."

[carolsaidd]

hahahahaha oh nightmare of you.

[xOBEYx5]

They were talking about how they had their albums available for purchase on Vinyl and "if anyone wanted to, they could tell that fucking website absolute fucking shit whatever .net whatever."

I missed that as well. I don't really like Nightmare of You so I went outside but man is that a bad move on their part. I take offense whenever a band shits on AP.net, because in my opinion I think most AP.net users have awesome taste in music and are respectable fans. *sigh*

[x togepi x]

I missed that as well. I don't really like Nightmare of You so I went outside but man is that a bad move on their part. I take offense whenever a band shits on AP.net, because in my opinion I think most AP.net users have awesome taste in music and are respectable fans. *sigh*

that's stupid though. juggalos think they have awesome tastes in music and are respectable fans, yet people here would trash the shit out of them. you just take offense because you like the taste that's getting bashed.

[carolsaidd]

I missed that as well. I don't really like Nightmare of You so I went outside but man is that a bad move on their part. I take offense whenever a band shits on AP.net, because in my opinion I think most AP.net users have awesome taste in music and are respectable fans. *sigh*

i agree. whole thing seemed unnecessary really. so what someone didnt like tbs' new song, i dont either. not the sites fault.

[sundaydrivetsl]

I love when people argue opinions. If you like a band and their music, then it doesnt matter if someone on a internet forum hates the band. Its all opinion, get over it. Cool if you dont like a band,but dont keep trying to argue people.

Where is The Starting Line. Still better than 90% of the bands on this site.

[sundaydrivetsl]

oh yeah, I should mention that thats IMO. Dont fall off your computer chairs and cry about it. To me, TSL is better than 90% of the bands mentioned on this site.

[thesafeword]

What does your ridiculous opinion about TSL have to do with the current conversation?

[combatbaby]

They were talking about how they had their albums available for purchase on Vinyl and "if anyone wanted to, they could tell that fucking website absolute fucking shit whatever .net whatever."

Haha. Aww. I love NOY but I wonder what their problem with the site is? I don't think I've ever really seen negative things about them on here?

[Renee]

If I were in a band I would talk shit about this site for the sole reason that I would be quoted, posted, and talked about. Let it goooooo. Worry about something else.

[xOBEYx5]

that's stupid though. juggalos think they have awesome tastes in music and are respectable fans, yet people here would trash the shit out of them. you just take offense because you like the taste that's getting bashed.

Maybe I'm not in the loop here but I don't know what the fuck a "juggalo" is. And what "taste" do i like "that's getting bashed". We, northern Yankees speak English up here so I don't know what your saying right now.

[carolsaidd]

What does your ridiculous opinion about TSL have to do with the current conversation?
:lol:

[Renee]

Maybe I'm not in the loop here but I don't know what the fuck a "juggalo" is. And what "taste" do i like "that's getting bashed". We, northern Yankees speak English up here so I don't know what your saying right now.
No, it's just you. I understand 100%

[MyWorldEntire]

The opinion of someone becomes invalid when you try to defend a song as terrible as Carpathia, or whatever the hell it's called.

[carolsaidd]

The opinion of someone becomes invalid when you try to defend a song as terrible as Carpathia, or whatever the hell it's called.

hahahahaha. deffinately.

[llwilliamsll]

so at the envy on the coast concert tonight (i went for Crime in Stereo seeing as i am heterosexual) Ryan Hunter (lead vox) stars bashing my boy tate for no good reason other than the fact he didn't like the new TBS song. He went on and on saying how tate sucks and about has never picked up an instrument in his life. so im curious to know what did AP ever do to Envy on the Coast other than maybe give their album a bad review. Because him calling out Tate like that just isn't hiphop
Sounds like someone is insecure about their sexuality. The 'sucks' was a Freudian slip although it was used in the right context.

[Montauk1222]

This whole beef between them started in a post about new Glassjaw material back in November and Jason and Ryan and someone else from EOTC got in a fight over Thrice and Glassjaw.

[xOBEYx5]

No, it's just you. I understand 100%

So please fellow Long Island-er decipher this for me.

This whole beef between them started in a post about new Glassjaw material back in November and Jason and Ryan and someone else from EOTC got in a fight over Thrice and Glassjaw.

Link???

[wewascontenders]

i thought the new tbs song was decent. :shrug:

[Montauk1222]

http://www.absolutepunk.net/showthread.php?t=694412

I forget where exactly the trash talking starts but it gets fairly heated

[x togepi x]

Maybe I'm not in the loop here but I don't know what the fuck a "juggalo" is. And what "taste" do i like "that's getting bashed". We, northern Yankees speak English up here so I don't know what your saying right now.

A juggalo is a person who is way into ICP and the other shitty artists on Psycopathic records. I thought that was fairly common knowledge

You said you take offense to this site being bashed because you agree with the tastes of people here (in as much as you think its good). I said this is stupid because people here are more than willing to bash the taste of other people/sites that they think is terrible.

[brandnew=love]

I like EOTC. :shrug:

Saw them with TBS few weeks back, good stuff.

[tm decomposer]

[quote=xOBEYx5;31075812]That's funny because I believe it says your 16 years old to the left, hmmmm./quote]
16>15

[xOBEYx5]

A juggalo is a person who is way into ICP and the other shitty artists on Psycopathic records. I thought that was fairly common knowledge

You said you take offense to this site being bashed because you agree with the tastes of people here (in as much as you think its good). I said this is stupid because people here are more than willing to bash the taste of other people/sites that they think is terrible.

Oh, okay now I understand. Well it's not so much taking a personal offensive or a collective one for that matter but I feel like its like insulting your fan's. But I get what you mean.

[TheOtherAndrew]

I'm just going to defend Louder Now, since no one else ever will. It sounds basically the same as all of their other albums, I don't really understand how so many people hate it.
Your avatar takes away any desire I would have to argue with you.

[Chris Fallon]

This band is garbage -- their sound will hardly be remembered for recycling scenecore redundancy and making vapid music.

[TheOtherAndrew]

/thread

[Miss Heartcore]

that's stupid though. juggalos think they have awesome tastes in music and are respectable fans, yet people here would trash the shit out of them. you just take offense because you like the taste that's getting bashed.
Juggalos hate micahistheballs, therefore I hate juggalos.

[sundaydrivetsl]

What does your ridiculous opinion about TSL have to do with the current conversation?

At least its not something about EOTC.

Sorry, IMO, they are not a very good band. Good musicians, probably nice guys, but I am not a fan. But Im not really a fan of much lately.

[thesafeword]

No, Envy on the Coast is shit.

[eHaMpToN]

Nightmare of You also talked shit on AP so it wasn't as though Envy were the only ones.

last night?

[eHaMpToN]

They were talking about how they had their albums available for purchase on Vinyl and "if anyone wanted to, they could tell that fucking website absolute fucking shit whatever .net whatever."

oh yeah never mind, brandon said like absolutefuck.fuck

[fly_guy]

I still dont like this band.....

[.invisible ink.]

i happen to like this band and ironically i'm pretty sure i first found out about them through this site. It's stupid to bash a site that has so much influence in this scene. Although I agree with whoever posted that the best way to get talked about is to talk shit where you know it'll spread. All publicity is good publicity.

[fly_guy]

i happen to like this band and ironically i'm pretty sure i first found out about them through this site. It's stupid to bash a site that has so much influence in this scene. Although I agree with whoever posted that the best way to get talked about is to talk shit where you know it'll spread. All publicity is good publicity.

Britney Spears.

[mattregan]

It's all just a ploy to create some buzz for the next Envy album!

[fly_guy]

I wont listen to it

[.invisible ink.]

I wont listen to it

because of what they said or just because you don't like them?

Their ep was much better than Lucy Gray but I'll still check it out.

[fly_guy]

because of what they said or just because you don't like them?

Their ep was much better than Lucy Gray but I'll still check it out.

I just dont like their sound. This didnt influence that or make my dislike stronger. I just dont really like them

[Ilikebadmusic]

No but seriously, ap net sucks

[brandnew=love]

Their ep was much better than Lucy Gray but I'll still check it out.
I agree! lucy gray is good though... they all seemed like cool dudes too... I've only met Brian though.

[live.]

I just don't understand how they could trash AP with Person L on the bill...

[fake empire]

Tate always talks shit to the Envy on the Coast guys, so it makes sense

I've never listened to Envy on the Coast, but they probably suck

[xOBEYx5]

Tate always talks shit to the Envy on the Coast guys, so it makes sense

I've never listened to Envy on the Coast, but they probably suck

HAH! I hope that was a joke and if so hhaha. There needs to be a sarcasm italics or something?

[Chris Fallon]

No but seriously, ap net sucks
Ironic much?

[TheBaroness]

when they opened at Soundwave earlier this year they yelled and swore at the crowd for not moving and singing along (even though no one down here knows who they are). Left a very bad taste in my mouth. They seemed like a bunch of turds with big egos and and even larger sense of entitlement. They didn't win many fans that day, that shit doesn't sit well with Aussies.

[xOBEYx5]

This band is garbage -- their sound will hardly be remembered for recycling scenecore redundancy and making vapid music.

Jason Tate could even make a better critique than using such a vague term such as "scenecore", which I have no idea where you get that from their music. Also the term vapid is the opposite of what they are (especially live) unless you have a different meaning for the word. Such a lazy cop-out.

[xOBEYx5]

when they opened at Soundwave earlier this year they yelled and swore at the crowd for not moving and singing along (even though no one down here knows who they are). Left a very bad taste in my mouth. They seemed like a bunch of turds with big egos and and even larger sense of entitlement. They didn't win many fans that day, that shit doesn't sit well with Aussies.

Really?! Thats strange because they never do that now at least. I hate that as well when shitty pop-punk bands (ie. FTSK, ATL etc. etc.) band-talk you and trying to get you to get into something that your obviously not into or else you would have been dancing or singing or giving a fuck to begin with.

[thesafeword]

Look out Chris, he will use his love of Anthony Green's godly voice to strike you down.

[WhoSaidThat?]

This band is garbage -- their sound will hardly be remembered for recycling scenecore redundancy and making vapid music.
Bye Bye, Santa Homer. :wave::-(

[Mikey Radigan]

I lost all respect for Envy after Ryan would bring up a fight on a message board at a sold home town show. How insecure could he be?

[thespearkid]

Stereotypical "I hate Envy on the Coast" comment.
Stereotypical "A lot of people don't like AP" comment.
Joke or meme stolen from 4chan.
/post

[Chris Fallon]

Any band in this modern-day scene who trashes this site is stupid -- no other website will cover you like we will... EOTC shot themselves in the foot with every remark coming from their douchebag singer's piehole. I can say with confidence that EOTC will be going absolutely nowhere and ought to break-up.

[.invisible ink.]

Any band in this modern-day scene who trashes this site is stupid -- no other website will cover you like we will... EOTC shot themselves in the foot with every remark coming from their douchebag singer's piehole. I can say with confidence that EOTC will be going absolutely nowhere and ought to break-up.

Because they trashed ap? Seriously? It's one thing to dislike a band's music and think they are douchebags (rightfully so), but to state that they ought to break up? I don't see the need to take it quite that far unless you are somehow implying that ap can make or break them, which is kind of ridiculous.

[Chris Fallon]

Because they trashed ap? Seriously? It's one thing to dislike a band's music and think they are douchebags (rightfully so), but to state that they ought to break up? I don't see the need to take it quite that far unless you are somehow implying that ap can make or break them, which is kind of ridiculous.
No, because they aren't doing anything remotely productive or new in the music scene. You play me a song by them, and I won't be able to tell the difference between all the other pop-punk bands like them (Just Surrender or whoever else they've toured with in the past). Break up to make room for better bands.

I don't think I said the site could make or break them, but considering how monumental the site has become to the modern scene, saying they wouldn't need some of our publicity is silly. Lots of bands credit us with getting them more fans, sales, etc. When a band trashes us, it actually helps us out ... all we'll do is not post news about them if they don't like us. That takes away from a certain audience.

[tm decomposer]

Any band in this modern-day scene who trashes this site is stupid -- no other website will cover you like we will... EOTC shot themselves in the foot with every remark coming from their douchebag singer's piehole. I can say with confidence that EOTC will be going absolutely nowhere and ought to break-up.

Personally, I could careless about this band. But, I highly doubt they'll break up anytime soon.


Saw the holiday show last night. Didn't stay for Envy. Let me just say that Steel Train is the best live band alive. 10 times and going strong.

[funkel]

lol You'll get more e-cred hating Metro Station and liking Lydia or Bon Iver. Think of it that way.
Liking Lydia only gets you cred in the General forum.

[Miss Heartcore]

No, because they aren't doing anything remotely productive or new in the music scene. You play me a song by them, and I won't be able to tell the difference between all the other pop-punk bands like them (Just Surrender or whoever else they've toured with in the past). Break up to make room for better bands.
As much as I respect your answer and understand where you're coming from, Envy sounds nothing like Just Surrender, Play Radio Play, Danger Radio, The Friday Night Boys or any of those bands they toured with expect maybe...MAYBE TREOS or TBS and even that's a big stretch.

Liking Lydia only gets you cred in the General forum.
:hitself: Whoops, I forgot to tell them they need to up with da punx.

[funkel]

As much as I respect your answer and understand where you're coming from, Envy sounds nothing like Just Surrender, Play Radio Play, Danger Radio, The Friday Night Boys or any of those bands they toured with expect maybe...MAYBE TREOS or TBS and even that's a big stretch.


:hitself: Whoops, I forgot to tell them they need to up with da punx.
Punx is lame.
But seriously, Lydia is only hyped on this website, practically nowhere else.

[ThisIsNotDan]

Stereotypical "I hate Envy on the Coast" comment.
Stereotypical "A lot of people don't like AP" comment.
Joke or meme stolen from 4chan.
/post

lololololololol

As much as I respect your answer and understand where you're coming from, Envy sounds nothing like Just Surrender, Play Radio Play, Danger Radio, The Friday Night Boys or any of those bands they toured with expect maybe...MAYBE TREOS or TBS and even that's a big stretch.

yeah they don't really sound like any of those other bands, they have more of an Incubus-ish sound if anything. they have alot of potential, and while the last album sucked, they could make good music. I mean I understand what Chris is saying about shooting themselves in the foot, but it isn't fair to lump them in with all those other bands

[ThisIsNotDan]

Punx is lame.
But seriously, Lydia is only hyped on this website, practically nowhere else.

was wondering if I was the only one that noticed. their new one isn't in stock anywhere it seems. it's not like it's even that bad either, it's "pleasant", but somehow staff/General forum kids absolutely adore it. it's something I would pick up for $5.

[funkel]

TBS peaked with Where You Want To Be.

And Lydia is the most boring music released this year.

[Miss Heartcore]

lololololololol



yeah they don't really sound like any of those other bands, they have more of an Incubus-ish sound if anything. they have alot of potential, and while the last album sucked, they could make good music. I mean I understand what Chris is saying about shooting themselves in the foot, but it isn't fair to lump them in with all those other bands
I don't think their album was "awful" by any means. "Tell them She's not scared" and "Gift of Paralysis" are some of their best songs they've written.

Stereotypical "I hate Envy on the Coast" comment.
Stereotypical "A lot of people don't like AP" comment.
Joke or meme stolen from 4chan.
/post
/thread.

[ThisIsNotDan]

I don't think their album was "awful" by any means. "Tell them She's not scared" and "Gift of Paralysis" are some of their best songs they've written.


/thread.

I enjoyed the latter song, Mirrors, and Sugar Skulls. hopefully they try and diversify a bit more on their next album

[funkel]

I don't think their album was "awful" by any means. "Tell them She's not scared" and "Gift of Paralysis" are some of their best songs they've written.


/thread.
Lips of an Angel may be Hinder's best song but that doesn't make it good.

[Miss Heartcore]

Lips of an Angel may be Hinder's best song but that doesn't make it good.
lolol

I'm saying that to me that album could never be "awful" because some of their best songs are on it. I'll admit that it didn't meet my expectations but once they went in to depth about the meanings behind the songs and making the album during their AP chat, I developed a bigger appreciation for Lucy Gray.

[funkel]

lolol

I'm saying that to me that album could never be "awful" because some of their best songs are on it. I'll admit that it didn't meet my expectations but once they went in to depth about the meanings behind the songs and making the album during their AP chat, I developed a bigger appreciation for Lucy Gray.
It just doesn't necessarily follow that said songs being their best doesn't make them non-awful. Those songs could be their best and still be terrible.
If you think they're great, more power to you.

[3eb23]

lololololololol



yeah they don't really sound like any of those other bands, they have more of an Incubus-ish sound if anything. they have alot of potential, and while the last album sucked, they could make good music. I mean I understand what Chris is saying about shooting themselves in the foot, but it isn't fair to lump them in with all those other bands

you just put shame on incubus with this comment. :nono:

[ThisIsNotDan]

you just put shame on incubus with this comment. :nono:

they are closer in sound to Incubus than your typical Fearless records band

[Miss Heartcore]

It just doesn't necessarily follow that said songs being their best doesn't make them non-awful. Those songs could be their best and still be terrible.
If you think they're great, more power to you.
I'm going to continue to say they're awesome and I'll stand by that.

you just put shame on incubus with this comment. :nono:
A lot of people compare their sound to being similar to Incubus...this isn't the first time.

[live.]

Proof of their talent lies in their cover of Talib Kweli's "Get By", they're just not great songwriters. I'm going to give their next album a shot but it's just not my thing.

[3eb23]

I'm going to continue to say they're awesome and I'll stand by that.


A lot of people compare their sound to being similar to Incubus...this isn't the first time.

well it should be the last time

[Miss Heartcore]

Proof of their talent lies in their cover of Talib Kweli's "Get By", they're just not great songwriters. I'm going to give their next album a shot but it's just not my thing.
:-|

So the lyrics to these songs are completely shitty?

http://plyrics.com/lyrics/envyonthecoast/thegiftofparalysis.html
http://plyrics.com/lyrics/envyonthecoast/tellthemthatshesnotscared.html
http://plyrics.com/lyrics/envyonthecoast/becauseallsufferingissweettome.html

Their songs are based on various works of prose/poems/novellas/characters in history/pieces of art. Pretty sure that's better than most of the bands currently out there singing about poppin bottles of champagne or fucking your girlfriend at a party.

[brandnew=love]

:-|

So the lyrics to these songs are completely shitty?

http://plyrics.com/lyrics/envyonthecoast/thegiftofparalysis.html
http://plyrics.com/lyrics/envyonthecoast/tellthemthatshesnotscared.html
http://plyrics.com/lyrics/envyonthecoast/becauseallsufferingissweettome.html

Their songs are based on various works of prose/poems/novellas/characters in history/pieces of art. Pretty sure that's better than most of the bands currently out there singing about poppin bottles of champagne or fucking your girlfriend at a party.
agreed!

I'm surprised no one has brought up If God Smokes Cheap Cigars...

[3eb23]

Proof of their talent lies in their cover of Talib Kweli's "Get By", they're just not great songwriters. I'm going to give their next album a shot but it's just not my thing.

i don't get what point you're trying to make here. how can a rock band's talent be summarized by their cover of a hip hop artists' song?

[live.]

:-|

So the lyrics to these songs are completely shitty?

http://plyrics.com/lyrics/envyonthecoast/thegiftofparalysis.html
http://plyrics.com/lyrics/envyonthecoast/tellthemthatshesnotscared.html
http://plyrics.com/lyrics/envyonthecoast/becauseallsufferingissweettome.html

Their songs are based on various works of prose/poems/novellas/characters in history/pieces of art. Pretty sure that's better than most of the bands currently out there singing about poppin bottles of champagne or fucking your girlfriend at a party.

Using allusions and metaphors doesn't automatically put them above the pack. I like Ryan's lyrics because they are based on events in his personal life, but I could care less what his literary inspirations are. Besides, I'm speaking musically. I just feel like they're holding back. There are signs of innovation and creativity in Lucy Gray but they're few and far between. Hopefully they go all out this time around. I will give this next album a real shot.

[live.]

i don't get what point you're trying to make here. how can a rock band's talent be summarized by their cover of a hip hop artists' song?

You're right, it's probably a poor indicator. I was just trying to make the point that they can play well, without using one of their own songs as an example.

[Miss Heartcore]

agreed!

I'm surprised no one has brought up If God Smokes Cheap Cigars...
That was another one I was going to list. They sang that last night too.

Using allusions and metaphors doesn't automatically put them above the pack. I like Ryan's lyrics because they are based on events in his personal life, but I could care less what his literary inspirations are. Besides, I'm speaking musically. I just feel like they're holding back. There are signs of innovation and creativity in Lucy Gray but they're few and far between. Hopefully they go all out this time around. I will give this next album a real shot.
That I can agree with.

[funkel]

i don't get what point you're trying to make here. how can a rock band's talent be summarized by their cover of a hip hop artists' song?
What is your avatar?

[brandnew=love]

That was another one I was going to list. They sang that last night too.
omgsh that's awesome... they didn't play that when I saw them. :-(

Lucy Gray isn't that bad at all... the only song I can't really get into is vultures.

[Mikey Radigan]

I think Crime In Stereo put on a better set than Envy that night.

[c_rob2700]

I love when people argue opinions. If you like a band and their music, then it doesnt matter if someone on a internet forum hates the band. Its all opinion, get over it. Cool if you dont like a band,but dont keep trying to argue people.

Where is The Starting Line. Still better than 90% of the bands on this site.
Every fucking post, "The Starting Line, The Starting Line, The Starting Line"
shut the fuck up

[Circa1628]

The Starting Line are relevant in this thread though, because they ARE down with AP.net, especially Matt, he is in here all the time

[c_rob2700]

The Starting Line are relevant in this thread though, because they ARE down with AP.net, especially Matt, he is in here all the time
Not saying it was irrelavent, i was saying that "sundaydrivetsl" doesn't need to implement his favorite band into every statement he makes on the website

[thesafeword]

Regardless of the current conversation about Envy on the Coast an ap.net, The Starting Line is better than most bands out there today.

That's my opinion.

[c_rob2700]

I like The Starting Line, but i'm not going to go into every thread "This band would not exist if not for the awsomeness of The Starting Line, yeah, i'm right" like said user does

[thesafeword]

I was kidding. That was just that one guys random post.

[bduke13]

As much as I like Envy on the Coast, I don't think I could possibly care less about what they think about this website.

[HelpMeSleep]

There's only like 2 or 3 bands that I travel for a lot and EOTC is one of them. Also, my friend's band is opening tonight annnd Steel Train is playing.
did steel train just get added on for that one show??

[HelpMeSleep]

I think the ap/EOTC stuff is pretty ridiculous. that glassjaw thread where everything started was ridiculous. I generally think jason is a pretty cool dude and I agree with him on a lot of things, but I thought he was kind of being a douche and starting unnecessary shit there.

[thesafeword]

I don't care about this band or this situation.

[Charles777]

I don't care about this band or this situation.
Amen.
Besides, when I saw EOTC, they were really cool

[sargentlgfuad]

can someone please, kindly, explain to me why envy on the coast is even somewhat bad?
i honestly happen to think that this band is one of the coolest bands out there now, and they are really creating their own sound.

[thesafeword]

They aren't creating their own sound at all, they're just like any other band out there.

[HelpMeSleep]

can someone please, kindly, explain to me why envy on the coast is even somewhat bad?
i honestly happen to think that this band is one of the coolest bands out there now, and they are really creating their own sound.
honestly, I don't think they're bad either.

[sargentlgfuad]

again, i would like someone to tell me why they are bad.
because their sound is extremely unique.
just because they aren't a slow sounding band with harmonies and a ukelele doesn't make them a bad band.

[3eb23]

What is your avatar?

It's the album Keep No Score by Sleeping At Last. Get your hands on it if you can. I highly recommend it as well as Ghosts, their previous effort. Both are incredible. I've been listening to them for years and not a lot of people on here talk about them. I have a feeling that if people would just give them a listen there would be a whole lot more chatter around these boards. Steve reviewed the album awhile back here:
http://www.absolutepunk.net/showthread.php?t=149240


Check them out if you've got time man. http://www.myspace.com/sleepingatlast

...and my bad about the random band pitch. but you know how it is when you love a band haha

[sargentlgfuad]

That's not my point. My point is how often do you see news posts from bands with comments of 100 plus messages with nothing but pure praise? Brand New, and that's it. But for the size of EOTC, that thread was unprecedented.

Some dude even said in the middle of the thread..
"I have to say though, this is seriously the first time I have seen on an ap.net news posting that nothing bad has been said about a band in regards to their music. I'm glad a lot of people feel the same or similarly to myself about them."
And he was right.

And now since Jason took that low shot on their lyrics in the Glassjaw thread and they defended themselves, magically they are a terrible band. Well Lucy Gray is still the same album...

you are magnificent.

[thesafeword]

I remember seeing some shitty music video for some shitty song where they were in a room and it was filling up with water.

[ThisIsNotDan]

It's the album Keep No Score by Sleeping At Last. Get your hands on it if you can. I highly recommend it as well as Ghosts, their previous effort. Both are incredible. I've been listening to them for years and not a lot of people on here talk about them. I have a feeling that if people would just give them a listen there would be a whole lot more chatter around these boards. Steve reviewed the album awhile back here:
http://www.absolutepunk.net/showthread.php?t=149240


Check them out if you've got time man. http://www.myspace.com/sleepingatlast

...and my bad about the random band pitch. but you know how it is when you love a band haha

good album. I prefer Ghosts though. it's sooooo good.

[kemichels]

EOTC is so bad.


all i needed to see in this thread. qft!

[kemichels]

It's the album Keep No Score by Sleeping At Last. Get your hands on it if you can. I highly recommend it as well as Ghosts, their previous effort. Both are incredible. I've been listening to them for years and not a lot of people on here talk about them. I have a feeling that if people would just give them a listen there would be a whole lot more chatter around these boards. Steve reviewed the album awhile back here:
http://www.absolutepunk.net/showthread.php?t=149240


Check them out if you've got time man. http://www.myspace.com/sleepingatlast

...and my bad about the random band pitch. but you know how it is when you love a band haha

sleeping at last are an excellent band. i pitch them to my friends all the time

[fake empire]

If Joe DeAndrea says they're bad, they must be pretty awful

[Joe DeAndrea]

again, i would like someone to tell me why they are bad.
because their sound is extremely unique.
just because they aren't a slow sounding band with harmonies and a ukelele doesn't make them a bad band.

A Soulja Boy/Jeffree Star hybrid is also extremely unique, but it would probably be the worst thing anyone's ever heard.

[HelpMeSleep]

hating on envy on the coast is just the cool thing to do on ap these days apparently. everyone better jump on the bandwagon as fast they can.

[Circa1628]

hating on envy on the coast is just the cool thing to do on ap these days apparently. everyone better jump on the bandwagon as fast they can.


if a band sucks, its not considered a bandwagon, because people aren't hating on them to be cool

[WhoSaidThat?]

A Soulja Boy/Jeffree Star hybrid is also extremely unique, but it would probably be the worst thing anyone's ever heard.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wSG_f7RXLCc

Only because I'm out of clean shirts

[HelpMeSleep]

if a band sucks, its not considered a bandwagon, because people aren't hating on them to be cool
before the drama, they were getting a lot of praise and not a lot of hate in their news posts. I mean, if you genuinely don't like their music, go for it. but since I really don't think they're bad, I think I'll pass on jumping on the hate bandwagon and gaining cool points here.

[Chris Fallon]

I've never liked the band -- the way Ryan acted in that thread gave me more inclination for disliking them. No matter what you think about Jason, it's completely uncalled for to insult everyone who isn't a musician, telling them it doesn't matter what their opinion is since they don't make music & don't understand the process.

[sargentlgfuad]

A Soulja Boy/Jeffree Star hybrid is also extremely unique, but it would probably be the worst thing anyone's ever heard.

yes.
but this is ENVY ON THE COAST.
which is like combining treos (new & old) with tbs and adding some talent and even better lyrics.
c'mon you can't really classify Jeffree Star and Soulja Boy with EOTC,
and besides, i'd think you would like that, actually.

if i was in EOTC i would be way more pissed off at AP than they are now.

[Circa1628]

I've never liked the band -- the way Ryan acted in that thread gave me more inclination for disliking them. No matter what you think about Jason, it's completely uncalled for to insult everyone who isn't a musician, telling them it doesn't matter what their opinion is since they don't make music & don't understand the process.

I think this is the second time you have /thread

[HelpMeSleep]

I've never liked the band -- the way Ryan acted in that thread gave me more inclination for disliking them. No matter what you think about Jason, it's completely uncalled for to insult everyone who isn't a musician, telling them it doesn't matter what their opinion is since they don't make music & don't understand the process.
I agree it is unfair. it's unfair to tell anyone their opinion doesn't matter. everyone has a right to their own opinion. but I think that their was nothing wrong with the band's original posts in that thread and that it got ugly because of Jason, and that was just unnecessary. and I say that as someone who generally really likes and respects Jason. I also think it's very fair to say that, maybe not you, but a lot of people who are hating on them now are bandwagoning it.

[Chris Fallon]

I think this is the second time you have /thread
Haha thanks man.

I'm not trying to drag it out, I just don't think people realize he wasn't just ragging on the site, but on fans as well. It's kind of fucked up to say that as a band member, even if your band isn't very successful.

[Chris Fallon]

I agree it is unfair. it's unfair to tell anyone their opinion doesn't matter. everyone has a right to their own opinion. but I think that their was nothing wrong with the band's original posts in that thread and that it got ugly because of Jason, and that was just unnecessary. and I say that as someone who generally really likes and respects Jason. I also think it's very fair to say that, maybe not you, but a lot of people who are hating on them now are bandwagoning it.
I can't speak for all those who dislike them, but I don't think it matters. Noobs will be noobs, right?

However, the only thing I disagree with is Jason pushing at Ryan -- Ryan started it, and Jason being a guy who knows debate well, reacted to him. It would not have been fair to necessarily allow those comments to go unnoticed and in all fairness, it would have gone to hell if it were just regulars arguing with him. Jason was the good measure in that argument, because it really could have been much worse.

[tm decomposer]

No, because they aren't doing anything remotely productive or new in the music scene. You play me a song by them, and I won't be able to tell the difference between all the other pop-punk bands like them (Just Surrender or whoever else they've toured with in the past). Break up to make room for better bands.

I don't think I said the site could make or break them, but considering how monumental the site has become to the modern scene, saying they wouldn't need some of our publicity is silly. Lots of bands credit us with getting them more fans, sales, etc. When a band trashes us, it actually helps us out ... all we'll do is not post news about them if they don't like us. That takes away from a certain audience.
First part of this post is terribly wrong. Not defending the band, but you're wrong.

Second part=Right.

[humanafterall]

Let me just say that Steel Train is the best live band alive. 10 times and going strong.

I seriously hope that's sarcasm. They put on a good show, yes, but they are not even in the top 100 live bands alive.

What about The White Stripes?
Animal Collective
Radiohead
Girl Talk
Thrice
Sigur Ros
Nine Inch Nails?

Seriously? If you really think that, you need to go to more shows.

http://www.absolutepunk.net/showthread.php?t=694412

I forget where exactly the trash talking starts but it gets fairly heated
http://www.absolutepunk.net/showthread.php?t=694412&page=8

[humanafterall]

That's not my point. My point is how often do you see news posts from bands with comments of 100 plus messages with nothing but pure praise? Brand New, and that's it. But for the size of EOTC, that thread was unprecedented.

Some dude even said in the middle of the thread..
"I have to say though, this is seriously the first time I have seen on an ap.net news posting that nothing bad has been said about a band in regards to their music. I'm glad a lot of people feel the same or similarly to myself about them."
And he was right.

And now since Jason took that low shot on their lyrics in the Glassjaw thread and they defended themselves, magically they are a terrible band. Well Lucy Gray is still the same album...
Sigged. Brilliant post.

[HelpMeSleep]

I can't speak for all those who dislike them, but I don't think it matters. Noobs will be noobs, right?

However, the only thing I disagree with is Jason pushing at Ryan -- Ryan started it, and Jason being a guy who knows debate well, reacted to him. It would not have been fair to necessarily allow those comments to go unnoticed and in all fairness, it would have gone to hell if it were just regulars arguing with him. Jason was the good measure in that argument, because it really could have been much worse.
noobs will be noobs, yes.
speaking of noobs, today's my two year anniversary with ap. if I didn't already have a bold name, I'd have one today. /swt brag.

yeah, you have a definite point. I was more referring to his comments to Brian before that. I thought they were fairly unnecessary. my friend sent me the link to that thread last night after I said EOTC was probably in the wrong and that Jason was probably right, just based on my tendency to agree with Jason. and when I read the first eight or so pages of that thread last night, it seemed like Jason had been in a bad mood throughout the night and I don't know, it all just seemed really unnecessary. I think that thread wouldn't have gotten so ugly had it not been for Jason's initial comments to Brian, but that's just my opinion.

and what's your avatar, Chris? the rose bowl? I haven't been following college football at all this year, it kind of makes me sad. although my team's usually USC.

[ThisIsNotDan]

I don't think it was necessary for Jason to be like "more intricate than your band, yes, but not Thrice" in response to Ryan disagreeing about Thrice being more intricate than Glassjaw, but again...his site his rules I guess

[HelpMeSleep]

This will mark my 10th time seeing Steel Train. And that's just fucking grand.
that's awesome. how long have you been into them? I'm only at four shows right now, but they are one of my favorite bands, and absolutely amazing live.

[thesafeword]

Somewhere Envy on the Coast is sitting there reading this thread and twiddling their fingers as they micheviously say "Good, good"

[KidRobot]

The only time I saw this band live I wanted to gauge my ears out.

One of the most annoying bands I've ever heard in my life.

[humanafterall]

I can't speak for all those who dislike them, but I don't think it matters. Noobs will be noobs, right?

However, the only thing I disagree with is Jason pushing at Ryan -- Ryan started it, and Jason being a guy who knows debate well, reacted to him. It would not have been fair to necessarily allow those comments to go unnoticed and in all fairness, it would have gone to hell if it were just regulars arguing with him. Jason was the good measure in that argument, because it really could have been much worse.
Yeah, Ryan started it, if you call stating his opinion of Thrice's music, starting it.

Doubt it. Your band, yes, Thrice - no.

That was Jason attacking Ryan.

http://www.absolutepunk.net/showthread.php?t=694412&page=10

[humanafterall]

Somewhere Envy on the Coast is sitting there reading this thread and twiddling their fingers as they micheviously say "Good, good"
http://i19.photobucket.com/albums/b189/Nightmare333/Miscellaneous/FamilyGuy-Good20Good.gif

[ThisIsNotDan]

Yeah, Ryan started it, if you call stating his opinion of Thrice's music, starting it.

That was Jason attacking Ryan.

http://www.absolutepunk.net/showthread.php?t=694412&page=10

yeah. I think there would've been a good way of disputing Ryan's point without Jason involving EotC

[thesafeword]

http://i19.photobucket.com/albums/b189/Nightmare333/Miscellaneous/FamilyGuy-Good20Good.gif
Exactly.

[humanafterall]

yeah. I think there would've been a good way of disputing Ryan's point without Jason involving EotC
Agreed. That's my main complaint.

[HelpMeSleep]

http://i19.photobucket.com/albums/b189/Nightmare333/Miscellaneous/FamilyGuy-Good20Good.gif
those aren't fingers, they're pincers. :-)

[thesafeword]

those aren't fingers, they're pincers. :-)
Mrs. Technical.

[HelpMeSleep]

Mrs. Technical.
haha, yeah. I'm just anal like that.

[ThisIsNotDan]

I'm just anal like that.

probably a good thing that you didn't make this post in PL

[Jason Tate]

Yeah, Ryan started it, if you call stating his opinion of Thrice's music, starting it.



That was Jason attacking Ryan.

http://www.absolutepunk.net/showthread.php?t=694412&page=10
That's "attacking"? As I said ... "those in glass houses shouldn't throw stones." Not sure how that is "attacking" by anything except a very perverse definition of the word.

[thesafeword]

probably a good thing that you didn't make this post in PL
That's exactly what I was thinking.

[humanafterall]

That's "attacking"? As I said ... "those in glass houses shouldn't throw stones." Not sure how that is "attacking" by anything except a very perverse definition of the word.
I wouldn't say it was attacking either. Attacked is too strong, I agree. Some times I struggle for words, so I come up with the first one that comes to mind.

[Jason Tate]

Ryan was basically saying that for someone who isn't actually a musician, Jason Tate has a lot to say about the new song from TBS or just about music in general. You can't expect TBS to still be making records like Tell All Your Friends when they're "grown ups" now. They're not in the same mind frame and thus can't be expected to continue singing those songs/writing material like that.
Guess that means their fans that aren't musicians can't say anything about music in general. And those that aren't famous cooks can't comment on food. Maybe the worst argument of all time.

And I said very little about the new song from TBS ... but one of the things I did say was that I don't want it to sound like Tell All Your Friends -- I just want it to be good. An acoustic pop album from TBS would sound nothing like TAYF, but if it was good - I'd like it.

[Jason Tate]

I think Ryan was trying to say, "Listen, if you don't write/record/make albums, you don't really understand why an artist can't go back to their original sound...people just evolve and you can't expect them to want to stay in or go back to that mindset that they had when they first started because they've grown up".
If that's what Ryan was trying to say -- what the fuck is he talking about me for? I've been the biggest proponent of bands changing styles and sounds in this music scene for the past 10 years.

[HelpMeSleep]

probably a good thing that you didn't make this post in PL
I know, right?

That's exactly what I was thinking.
haha. well, I'm not into that anyway.

[thesafeword]

I know, right?


haha. well, I'm not into that anyway.
Neither am I.

[eHaMpToN]

this thread has made me realize i hate a lot of people on this website.

[HelpMeSleep]

Neither am I.
good. :-)

[thesafeword]

good. :-)
Again, we're on the same page.

[Jason Tate]

:-|

So the lyrics to these songs are completely shitty?

http://plyrics.com/lyrics/envyonthecoast/thegiftofparalysis.html
http://plyrics.com/lyrics/envyonthecoast/tellthemthatshesnotscared.html
http://plyrics.com/lyrics/envyonthecoast/becauseallsufferingissweettome.html

Their songs are based on various works of prose/poems/novellas/characters in history/pieces of art. Pretty sure that's better than most of the bands currently out there singing about poppin bottles of champagne or fucking your girlfriend at a party.

Those lyrics are pretty bad. Pretty typical of scene bands playing that style of music actually.

A lot of songs are based on "various works of prose/poems/novellas/characters in history/pieces of art" - that's not particularly unique. Plenty of tracks on pop albums are just that ... although, naming two bands and pretending that's"most of the bands out there" is pretty funny.

[Jason Tate]

I think Crime In Stereo put on a better set than Envy that night.
That's because Crime in Stereo is a better band.

[eHaMpToN]

That's because Crime in Stereo is a better band.

/thread

[HelpMeSleep]

Again, we're on the same page.
:highfive:


:flirt:

[xOBEYx5]

Respectfully, I'd disagree regarding the Thrice comment. Durajah, Manny, and Beck, are BY FAR the tightest rhythm section playing (or not playing) music today. Glassjaw could do what Thrice does as a joke in their practice space.

This is where it begins. The first three words are "Respectfully, I'd disagree" which in my eyes is a gentleman's argument without being personal.

Doubt it. Your band, yes, Thrice - no.

This is where it begins and where it transitions from a difference of opinion to an attack on a musical/personal level. It was uncalled for Jason to bring Brian's band into question when all it was about who thinks GJ/Thrice is more intricate.

hahahahaha.

Brian proceeds to laugh at the fact that Jason gave Vheissu a 99% and stated that "It is perfect", which in my opinion is a very good record and got me into Thrice but it is far from perfect, especially on the production end. The Alchemy Index's sound quality blows it away. Either way it is pretty laughable reading that review and seeing that little "It is perfect" in there, considering no piece of art is "perfect", maybe in Jason's eyes.

Poor decision.

Replies stating "Poor decision." as if right at that exact moment Jason Tate busts through Brian's front door with an AK-47 reading to Brian apart with multiple rounds. Okay, maybe a little exaggerated but thats how I imagine it aha.

On my part? or yours? either way. I think, as you said before, it was Thrice's worst record. Production wise it was flat. Song writing wise there were a few well written rockers but the rest was washy and misguided in my opinion. But hey, hows about that new GJ?

I agree to an extent but Brian lets it be known that this is all "my opinion", clearly not trying to get personal and keeping in at an opinions stand-point.

I said it was Thrice's best record. The production is incredible sonically and when you're in Envy on the Coast and have the gall to call Thrice's songwriting "washyand misguided" - I can't help but start laughing my ass off. Come back when you've released one song on the same level production, song writing, lyrical, or instrumental as the worst song Thrice has ever written.

i am brain dead thinking strictly in blues and reds
oh i'm in enough trouble man
oh man i'm in trouble again
cause everyones ears are watching me

Those in glass houses ...

And we're off. Jason brings it WAY over the top by saying that because Brian is in EOTC he has no right to criticize Thrice's album, that Brian/EOTC as a whole should "Come back when you've released one song on the same level production, song writing, lyrical, or instrumental as the worst song Thrice has ever written." even getting more personal when it just started off as a difference of opinion, nothing more.

What my guess is that Teppei found Jason as an orphan and raised him off his breast milk until he was old enough to start this site and then defended Thrice and Vheissu as much as possible, even if it meant personally insulting both members in his own forums and band members alike.

[Jason Tate]

again, i would like someone to tell me why they are bad.
because their sound is extremely unique.
just because they aren't a slow sounding band with harmonies and a ukelele doesn't make them a bad band.
Unique? Sound like most of the bands that spawned from The Used 8 years ago -- they just happen to have a late pass to the trend.

[thesafeword]

Those lyrics are pretty bad. Pretty typical of scene bands playing that style of music actually.

A lot of songs are based on "various works of prose/poems/novellas/characters in history/pieces of art" - that's not particularly unique. Plenty of tracks on pop albums are just that ... although, naming two bands and pretending that's"most of the bands out there" is pretty funny.
I find basing songs on "various works of prose/poems/novellas/characters in history/pieces of art" just means that you couldn't come up with your own ideas and isn't very unique at all.

[Rodeo]

Guess that means their fans that aren't musicians can't say anything about music in general. And those that aren't famous cooks can't comment on food. Maybe the worst argument of all time.

Totally agreed on that.


And for the record... Vheissu is Thrice's best record by far.

[xOBEYx5]

/thread

And we need to quit with this whole "/thread" thing cause its really fucking lame

[Jason Tate]

This is where it begins. The first three words are "Respectfully, I'd disagree" which in my eyes is a gentleman's argument without being personal.



This is where it begins and where it transitions from a difference of opinion to an attack on a musical/personal level. It was uncalled for Jason to bring Brian's band into question when all it was about who thinks GJ/Thrice is more intricate.



Brian proceeds to laugh at the fact that Jason gave Vheissu a 99% and stated that "It is perfect", which in my opinion is a very good record and got me into Thrice but it is far from perfect, especially on the production end. The Alchemy Index's sound quality blows it away. Either way it is pretty laughable reading that review and seeing that little "It is perfect" in there, considering no piece of art is "perfect", maybe in Jason's eyes.



Replies stating "Poor decision." as if right at that exact moment Jason Tate busts through Brian's front door with an AK-47 reading to Brian apart with multiple rounds. Okay, maybe a little exaggerated but thats how I imagine it aha.



I agree to an extent but Brian lets it be known that this is all "my opinion", clearly not trying to get personal and keeping in at an opinions stand-point.



And we're off. Jason brings it WAY over the top by saying that because Brian is in EOTC he has no right to criticize Thrice's album, that Brian/EOTC as a whole should "Come back when you've released one song on the same level production, song writing, lyrical, or instrumental as the worst song Thrice has ever written." even getting more personal when it just started off as a difference of opinion, nothing more.

What my guess is that Teppei found Jason as an orphan and raised him off his breast milk until he was old enough to start this site and then defended Thrice and Vheissu as much as possible, even if it meant personally insulting both members in his own forums and band members alike.
Hey, thanks for the play by play -- looks really unbiased in your presentation too. :rolleyes:

You are making an argument that he was stating an opinion and that's fine -- yet you then turn around and start acting as though I can't state my opinion back? And then follow it up with how it's just me insulting band members and forum members?

And I stand firmly behind those statements. They can talk shit on Thrice when they've "released one song on the same level production, song writing, lyrical, or instrumental as the worst song Thrice has ever written."

[thesafeword]

:highfive:


:flirt:
Damn straight.

[Rodeo]

And we need to quit with this whole "/thread" thing cause its really fucking lame

oh, grow up.

[HelpMeSleep]

And we need to quit with this whole "/thread" thing cause its really fucking lame
haha. I was thinking the same thing, but was too lazy to comment on it. glad you did.

[thesafeword]

And we need to quit with this whole "/thread" thing cause its really fucking lame
So is being 18 and still listening to Circa Survive, but nobody is judging you.

[xOBEYx5]

Hey, thanks for the play by play -- looks really unbiased in your presentation too. :rolleyes:

No problem dude. I completely agree with you when it comes to you don't have to be a musician to judge music. But you were definitely in the wrong from insulting Brian off the bat and then you continue to be dickhead throughout that thread and to Brian.

[Rodeo]

It's true though. If the thread stopped right now with me saying: "Crime in Stereo mops the floor with Envy on the Coast" it would be a true statement and nothing after it would need to be said.

[Jason Tate]

Totally agreed on that.


And for the record... Vheissu is Thrice's best record by far.
I definitely agree.

[Jason Tate]

No problem dude. I completely agree with you when it comes to you don't have to be a musician to judge music. But you were definitely in the wrong from insulting Brian off the bat and then you continue to be dickhead throughout that thread and to Brian.
Off the bat? I insulted him after he had the gall to criticize Thrice as being music a band could play "as a joke in their practice space" while playing in EOTC. There's an unspoken fraternity with bands - and you don't talk shit like that on a band that practically paved the way for you to be able to even sell records. What I said was no more insulting to his band than his comment was about Thrice - I responded to him.

And I wasn't any more insulting to him than he was to me and other people on AP.net (present and in the past). And I'm a dick when people are dicks to me - welcome to AP.net.

The band has a twisted sense of entitlement -- and are nowhere near good enough to make the claims they do about themselves or other bands. EOTC talking shit about Thrice (and a few days later Acceptance) is as ridiculous as Miley Cyrus talking shit on Aretha Franklin.

[xOBEYx5]

So is being 18 and still listening to Circa Survive, but nobody is judging you.

Okay well my avatar is the alternate version of "On Letting Go" and I chose that because I love Esao Andrews and its my favorite painting of his. Also I don't see anything wrong with liking Circa so yeah.

It's true though. If the thread stopped right now with me saying: "Crime in Stereo mops the floor with Envy on the Coast" it would be a true statement and nothing after it would need to be said.

All a matter of opinion sir.

I definitely agree.

Vheissu is a very close second for me. I prefer The Alchemy Index.

[HelpMeSleep]

It's true though. If the thread stopped right now with me saying: "Crime in Stereo mops the floor with Envy on the Coast" it would be a true statement and nothing after it would need to be said.
a true statement? no matter how many people agree, it's still an opinion, so no.

and when "/thread" gets said over and over and the thread continues on anyway, it starts to sound pretty lame.

[WhoSaidThat?]

a true statement? no matter how many people agree, it's still an opinion, so no.

and when "/thread" gets said over and over and the thread continues on anyway, it starts to sound pretty lame.
/thread :-d

[Jason Tate]

a true statement? no matter how many people agree, it's still an opinion, so no.

and when "/thread" gets said over and over and the thread continues on anyway, it starts to sound pretty lame.
Opinions can be true statements. And opinions can be false statements.

It's irrational to assume otherwise.

(http://plato.stanford.edu/entries/aesthetic-judgment/#1.1) Before we move on (http://plato.stanford.edu/entries/aesthetic-judgment/#1.1), it may be worth saying something about “relativism”, according to which no judgments of taste are really better than others. It is common for people to say “There is no right and wrong about matters of taste.” Or people will express the same thought by saying that beauty is “relative” to individual judgment, or even that it is “socially relative.” Such relativism about value of all sorts is part of the Zeitgeist of a certain recent Western cultural tradition. It is part of the intellectual air, in certain quarters. And in particular, many intellectuals have expressed a dislike of the idea that judgments of taste really have any normative claim, as if that would be uncouth or oppressive. However, if we are describing our thought as it is, not how some think it ought to be, then it is important that philosophers should be persistent and insist — in the face of this Zeitgeist — that normativity is a necessary condition of the judgment of taste. Two points ought to embarrass the relativist. Firstly, people who say this kind of thing are merely theorizing. In the case of judgments of beauty, relativist theory is wildly out of step with common practice. As with moral relativism, one can virtually always catch the professed relativist about judgments of beauty making and acting on non-relative judgments of beauty — for example, in their judgments about music, nature and everyday household objects. Relativists do not practice what they preach. Secondly, one thing that drives people to this implausible relativism, which is so out of line with their practice, is a perceived connection with tolerance or anti-authoritarianism. This is what they see as attractive in it. But this is upside-down. For if ‘it's all relative’ and no judgment is better than any other, then relativists put their judgments wholly beyond criticism, and they cannot err. Only those who think that there is a right and wrong in judgment can modestly admit that they might be wrong. What looks like an ideology of tolerance is, in fact, the very opposite. Thus relativism is hypocritical and it is intolerant. The time has come when this Zeitgeist should give up the ghost. Move over geist, your zeit is up!

[Rodeo]

a true statement? no matter how many people agree, it's still an opinion, so no.

and when "/thread" gets said over and over and the thread continues on anyway, it starts to sound pretty lame.


Last time I checked, pure talent wasn't an opinion.

[Chris Fallon]

The band has a twisted sense of entitlement -- and are nowhere near good enough to make the claims they do about themselves or other bands. EOTC talking shit about Thrice (and a few days later Acceptance) is as ridiculous as Miley Cyrus talking shit on Aretha Franklin.
/thread

I like using that. I am going to name my first-born child "/thread" out of spite :-p

[WhoSaidThat?]

/thread

I like using that. I am going to name my first-born child "/thread" out of spite :-p
I'll have to say "Chris' first-born child" instead of "/thread", if that's the case. Hold me to it?

[Chris Fallon]

and what's your avatar, Chris? the rose bowl? I haven't been following college football at all this year, it kind of makes me sad. although my team's usually USC.
Yeah, Rose Bowl. I'm a big Penn State fan, sorry haha -- I've kind of been anti-USC, UCLA and Cal all my life since I grew up with the Huskies.

[Chris Fallon]

I'll have to say "Chris' first-born child" instead of "/thread", if that's the case. Hold me to it?
See, we're already changing internet forum lingo for the better! Simply improving the ground we tread, that's all.

[HelpMeSleep]

/thread :-d
hahaha, nice.

Opinions can be true statements. And opinions can be false statements.

It's irrational to assume otherwise.
I know that. but he acts like his opinion is a true statement just because it's what he thinks, and that's complete bullshit.

Last time I checked, pure talent wasn't an opinion.
whether or not you think someone's talented or not is your opinion. I mean, even if you think you're hot shit and everything you say is correct, that doesn't make it true.

[Jason Tate]

hahaha, nice.


I know that. but he acts like his opinion is a true statement just because it's what he thinks, and that's complete bullshit.


whether or not you think someone's talented or not is your opinion. I mean, even if you think you're hot shit and everything you say is correct, that doesn't make it true.
His statement was true because it's true. What he thinks becomes irrelevant. Judgments of agreeableness have “general” but not “universal” validity.