Grizzly Bear (Official Thread)

[hockeyguitar99]

I don't know if they have fans on here or not, but I really like them. Yellow House is a great record and from the new songs they played on Conan and Letterman, their next effort should be really good.

What does everyone else think?

[IWasaCamera]

Ha.

[funkel]

New Kid B?

[IWasaCamera]

Should have mentioned Department Of Eagles to score some points.

[funkel]

Well, he's got some learning to do, for sure.

[hockeyguitar99]

Okay then.

[flash_gorton]

Should have mentioned Department Of Eagles to score some points.
Yes

[DilesMavis]

Haha. But yes they're good.

[AlternateToLife]

Haha this guys still here?!? :party:

[hockeyguitar99]

I get it. I was an ignorant jerk before, but my tastes have changed as well as my attitude. Hopefully the fact that I was douche with bad tastes before won't effect your view of me now.

[Robototron]

Hopefully the fact that I was douche with bad tastes before effect your view of me now.

Really? Because I would hope that it wouldn't.

To give my two cents: I thought Yellow House was kind of boring when I first heard it, but I might go see them at BAM with the Brooklyn Philharmonic and Final Fantasy because Nico Muhly did the arrangements, so I guess I'll give them another chance.

[hockeyguitar99]

Really? Because I would hope that it wouldn't.

Haha, obviously that's what I meant. Its edited now.

[IWasaCamera]

Rossen > Droste.

[Kid B]

http://stereogum.com/archives/new-grizzly-bear-album-gets-a-title-and-its-veckat_051191.html
New record is apparently complete.

New Kid B?
Nobody replaces Kid B.

[IWasaCamera]

Bandwagon is boarding.

[hockeyguitar99]

Bandwagon is boarding.

Sorry. Didn't realize I wasn't allowed to like a good band.

[IWasaCamera]

Who's saying you're not allowed?


Thoughts on the Grizzly tracks from Dark Was The Night anyone?

[hockeyguitar99]

The whole ridicule thing seemed to imply it.

I like them, the live tracks from the new album are better though.

[IWasaCamera]

Nope, a simple observation.


Deep Blue Sea seems to represent the band's new direction, far more focused than past full-lengths while trimming some of the fat. In other words, less Grizzly Bear and more Department Of Eagles.

[hockeyguitar99]

Deep Blue Sea was first released as a home recording by Rossen wasn't it, I guess that could have something to do with it.

What's your favorite of the new songs that have been appearing? The description you used is still relevant, they sound more focused to me, but I think they are still more Grizzly Bear songs than DoE.

[IWasaCamera]

Haven't heard the new songs so I couldn't tell you. I didn't mean to suggest that they had entirely crossed over to Eagles territory, merely that they are taking more and more cues from them, as if Rossen has become the driving force.

[hockeyguitar99]

Haven't heard the new songs so I couldn't tell you. I didn't mean to suggest that they had entirely crossed over to Eagles territory, merely that they are taking more and more cues from them, as if Rossen has become the driving force.

The tracks are worth digging up, Two Weeks and While You Wait For The Others are on late night shows, so the quality is pretty decent. I could see Rossen becoming the driving force, but I didn't really expect it, because he did just do a record of songs where he was the driving force, I thought he might take a bit of a step back on this one.

[IWasaCamera]

Even from Horn Of Plenty to Yellow House, Rossen's presence is much more apparent (which makes sense since Horn was primarily a Droste effort). Would not surprise me whatsoever to see him take on an even larger role.

[hockeyguitar99]

That makes sense. I love both records (Yellow House is my favorite), but they are definitely different. I'm hoping for a more collaborative album between the two.

[IWasaCamera]

I'd like to see it more Rossen-driven frankly, on account of his terrific ear for melody.

[hockeyguitar99]

I feel like if they release another record like that, people will attack them for sounding too much like Fleet Foxes, even though GB did it before them. I feel like a more straight-forward sound would be cool, but maybe that's because I don't know if they could match the melodies from Yellow House.

[IWasaCamera]

Fleet Foxes, what?

[hockeyguitar99]

They don't really sound similar to me, but a lot of people that I've told about Grizzly Bear come back to me saying that they think it sounds like Fleet Foxes.

[IWasaCamera]

That's just odd, they don't sound alike at all.

[hockeyguitar99]

That's what I said, but they kept saying the harmonies remind them of FF. Again, I don't really agree with it, but I'm afraid that it's a comparison that will hinder their career further on, people mistaking their creativity for ripping off another band.

[IWasaCamera]

People need their ears checked if they believe Grizzly Bear rips off Fleet Foxes, let alone the fact that Fleet Foxes is nowhere near the most original band around.

[hockeyguitar99]

People need their ears checked if they believe Grizzly Bear rips off Fleet Foxes, let alone the fact that Fleet Foxes is nowhere near the most original band around.

I agree. People get exposed to what they hear on their "Alternative Rock" radio stations on the bands that play on SNL. That's just why I hope that they might stray a bit away from the Yellow House style, just to avoid that comparison.

[Lacrimosa]

Not to mention Grizzly were around before FF.


I love the sound of the new songs though, Two Weeks with Victoria Legrand will be absolutely amaaaazing.

[IWasaCamera]

I agree. People get exposed to what they hear on their "Alternative Rock" radio stations on the bands that play on SNL. That's just why I hope that they might stray a bit away from the Yellow House style, just to avoid that comparison.
If Droste gets his way, no one will be lumping the two bands together.

[hockeyguitar99]

If Droste gets his way, no one will be lumping the two bands together.
Haha yeah. Has there been issues for creative control in the band? I haven't heard anything about it.

[IWasaCamera]

Not that I know of.

[Kid B]

Either Veckatimest wasn't that good and soon blew over after the leak, or the majority of Grizzly Bear fans are loyal enough to wait for the release date. I barely saw any discussion over the album at all around here. Hoping that it blows me away.

[BryterJonah]

You guys are all assholes. This band is pastry to the ears.

[IcedOpethBlind]

not sure if i prefer Yellow House or Veckatimest..

[Kid B]

Still haven't listened to Veckatimest. Waiting for the release. Really excited.

[fake empire]

Seeing them on Thursday wooooo

[IWasaCamera]

Not that impressed with Veckatimest.

[oddwithoutend]

Not that impressed with Veckatimest.

Neither am I.

[Kid B]

Two Weeks and While You Wait for the Others (all I've heard) are both stunning, imo.

[christopher™]

yellow house ftw!

[Greek]

Not that impressed with Veckatimest.


yet pitchfork will still give it a 9.0/10

[BryterJonah]

:bluesad:

Oh, damn Pitchfork for being true to themselves.

[murrich]

Haven't listened to Veckatimest yet, is it similar to Yellow House?

[bradnewman]

Yellow house>Veckatimest

[oddwithoutend]

Yellow house>Veckatimest

Yet to listen to Yellow House. Veckatimest keeps my curiosity of their earlier material to a minimum.

[GuitarR0cker1]

I just watched the music video for Kinife. Holy shit.

[checkered.stars]

You should listen to Zach Condon singing it. It's almost as good as the original.

[jfork]

lololol hockeyguitar99. His tastes are more cookie-cutter than ever.

[IWasaCamera]

Veckatimest isn't terrible. Was simply hoping for more.

[IWasaCamera]

I need to keep listening in order to review this tomorrow, but boredom is repeatedly getting the best of me.

[Kid B]

Yet to listen to Yellow House. Veckatimest keeps my curiosity of their earlier material to a minimum.
Yellow House is essential. I don't know how you haven't listened to that yet.

lololol hockeyguitar99. His tastes are more cookie-cutter than ever.
Fuck off.

[Kid B]

Any particular reason you all disliked/were disappointed by Veckatimest?

[oddwithoutend]

Yellow House is essential. I don't know how you haven't listened to that yet.

Yeah, I definitely will at some point fairly soon. I want to give this band a fair chance.

[Kid B]

Yeah, I definitely will at some point fairly soon. I want to give this band a fair chance.
I haven't listened to Veckatimest yet, but judging by Two Weeks, it is a lot different from Yellow House. Yellow House is really just an amazing album.

[MyWorldEntire]

Today I finally get to listen to this. Vinh's thoughts have lowered my expectations though.

[IWasaCamera]

Low expectations are great though.

[MyWorldEntire]

Well maybe I shouldn't have said so many good things about the new Wilco! Have you given it a listen yet?

[IWasaCamera]

Nope, still on Grizzly Bear since the review is due tomorrow. I really just want to listen to The National though ha.

I don't think I'll do the new Wilco. Veckatimest is a huge release given our readership and I don't want to hog all the big ones.

[MyWorldEntire]

Nope, still on Grizzly Bear since the review is due tomorrow. I really just want to listen to The National though ha.

I don't think I'll do the new Wilco. Veckatimest is a huge release given our readership and I don't want to hog all the big ones.

Don't worry Vinh, I'll listen to the National twice as much tonight for you haha. And I'm hoping Ben might be able to review the new Wilco, he always seemed to be a big fan of the band. But that's pending he's around of course.

We need to establish a forum like system for SOTS someday. Having to come to AP every time I want to discuss music is becoming quite a bummer.

[IWasaCamera]

Don't worry Vinh, I'll listen to the National twice as much tonight for you haha.
Haha how considerate.
And I'm hoping Ben might be able to review the new Wilco, he always seemed to be a big fan of the band. But that's pending he's around of course.
Have you heard from him? I figured he'd have returned by now with uni out of the way.
We need to establish a forum like system for SOTS someday. Having to come to AP every time I want to discuss music is becoming quite a bummer.
That'd be awesome but we'd have to increase views to like 500 per day for that to be worthwhile.

[MyWorldEntire]

Haha how considerate.

Have you heard from him? I figured he'd have returned by now with uni out of the way.

That'd be awesome but we'd have to increase views to like 500 per day for that to be worthwhile.

Sadly I have not heard from him, maybe he's on holiday celebrating being done with college? It would be nice to get a message or something from him though.

How many pages views per day are we at?

[IWasaCamera]

Sadly I have not heard from him, maybe he's on holiday celebrating being done with college? It would be nice to get a message or something from him though.
Yeah, it'd be nice to get an update.
How many pages views per day are we at?
Between 250-300 most weekdays.

[MyWorldEntire]

Between 250-300 most weekdays.

500 page views per day is a nice goal to aim for then.

[MyWorldEntire]

yet pitchfork will still give it a 9.0/10

Nice job Nostradamus: http://pitchfork.com/reviews/albums/13078-veckatimest/

[Greek]

Nice job Nostradamus: http://pitchfork.com/reviews/albums/13078-veckatimest/


lol thank you.

if you see my first post, I also called the blink get together.

[IWasaCamera]

How sad that Pitchfork is this predictable.

[oddwithoutend]

Nice review, Vinh. I agree with it a lot more than Pitchfork's.

[IWasaCamera]

Thanks. As you can see from the score, I don't find the album anywhere near bad. Was just hoping for them to surpass Yellow House and was disappointed they did not.

[fake empire]

I think it definitely deserves the 9.0

[IWasaCamera]

Out of curiosity, how many 09 albums would you give a 9 to?

[fake empire]

Out of curiosity, how many 09 albums would you give a 9 to?

This, Animal Collective, and maybe the Pains of Being Pure at Heart or St. Vincent

[IWasaCamera]

Ah, so you're rather generous with the high scores. I've yet to hear one album that warrants that type of praise this year.

[fake empire]

Not really, there have just been a lot of albums this year that I've loved. I wouldn't rate any album from last year that high.

[IWasaCamera]

4 albums that deserve 9s in 5 months is a hell of a lot. I'm surprised you didn't find anything you enjoyed as much last year.

[Osto]

I'm not giving too much thought to it but I can't think of one album released in the past two years to deserve that high a score. I guess MPP is the closest thing I could think of that could reasonably be given that score but other than that it's been a pretty underwhelming year and a half of music.

[IWasaCamera]

it's been a pretty underwhelming year and a half of music.
Agreed.

[oddwithoutend]

Animal Collective's MPP gets a 9 from me. That would be the only album in the last year and a half that I think is deserving of that rating. Has it been an underwhelming year and a half? I probably can't give a very educated answer to that given the amount of time I've been playing close attention to all releases (not long enough). I do, however, think that The Antler's Hospice is criminally underrated.

[DejaNew]

I would give MPP a 9 as well, it is such a complete and fantastic album. Other than that, I would say MwY's new album definitely deserves a 9 as well. Coming in with an 8 would be Fightstar's Be Human, Cymbals Eat Guitars' debut and Silversun Pickups' Swoon. Manchester Orchestra's METN and Kevin Devine's BB would come in at 7. Other than those, I haven't enjoyed many others. I'm excited for Mutemath's new album the most though. I feel that it will easily be a 9.

[oddwithoutend]

I would give MPP a 9 as well, it is such a complete and fantastic album. Other than that, I would say MwY's new album definitely deserves a 9 as well. Coming in with an 8 would be Fightstar's Be Human, Cymbals Eat Guitars' debut and Silversun Pickups' Swoon. Manchester Orchestra's METN and Kevin Devine's BB would come in at 7. Other than those, I haven't enjoyed many others. I'm excited for Mutemath's new album the most though. I feel that it will easily be a 9.

mwY's newest is almost impossible to assign a rating to, and it really frustrates me. It arguably has no weak songs (maybe one), it's very cohesive, it's inspired and meaningful, it's a successful step into new territory for the band, it has incredibly good lyrics aside from maybe too much repetition... yet I find myself only thinking it deserves an upper 7. Micah agreed with it being an upper 7 (as he assigned it a 7.7(?) on SOTS, but he also said he could have given it a 9 and felt right. Overall, confusing album.

Haven't given Fightstar very much attention, so I won't give my opinion on that one, the CEG debut is probably a low 8 as well for me. However, I have to disagree with Swoon getting an 8. It's mildly successful for SSPU and pretty fun, but I'd likely only give it a 6. Also wasn't a huge fan of Kevin Devine's latest, probably a tad better than Swoon though.

Mutemath, eh? I'm afraid your expectations might be a little high, man.

[Kid B]

I think Veckatimest comes a lot closer to a 9 than MPP does.

[IWasaCamera]

I do, however, think that The Antler's Hospice is criminally underrated.
I haven't read any press regarding the album. Has it been that poorly received? I gave it a 6 I think.
I would give MPP a 9 as well, it is such a complete and fantastic album. Other than that, I would say MwY's new album definitely deserves a 9 as well. Coming in with an 8 would be Fightstar's Be Human, Cymbals Eat Guitars' debut and Silversun Pickups' Swoon. Manchester Orchestra's METN and Kevin Devine's BB would come in at 7. Other than those, I haven't enjoyed many others. I'm excited for Mutemath's new album the most though. I feel that it will easily be a 9.
This entire post blew my mind.

[MyWorldEntire]

I think Veckatimest comes a lot closer to a 9 than MPP does.

Didn't you say MPP deserved higher than a 9.2?

http://sunonthesand.net/?p=938

[Kid B]

Didn't you say MPP deserved higher than a 9.2?

http://sunonthesand.net/?p=938
Yeah, was a tad obsessed with the album for a while but I am usually a horrible judge of replay value. Barely listen to it anymore. I'd probably give it around a 7.5 now.

[MyWorldEntire]

Yeah, was a tad obsessed with the album for a while but I am usually a horrible judge of replay value. Barely listen to it anymore. I'd probably give it around a 7.5 now.

Well like I said in the comments page, the album sounds just as good, if not better for me now.

[Kid B]

Well like I said in the comments page, the album sounds just as good, if not better for me now.
Really? I still love a lot of it but the parts that I didn't like so much only grew worse for me. Everytime I listen to it I end up wanting to quit and pull out Feels. But I recently fell in love with Feels, so my opinion is a little biased at the moment. Glad you're enjoying it though.

[oddwithoutend]

I haven't read any press regarding the album. Has it been that poorly received? I gave it a 6 I think.

I guess you got me there. I was basically only referring to SOTS and how I don't know of anyone ever mentioning the album on this site. That's more of a case of it not being known than it not being liked though. I just feel like Hospice is an album that most people would enjoy if they give it the time of day.

[oddwithoutend]

Well like I said in the comments page, the album sounds just as good, if not better for me now.

I agree.

[IWasaCamera]

I guess you got me there. I was basically only referring to SOTS and how I don't know of anyone ever mentioning the album on this site. That's more of a case of it not being known than it not being liked though. I just feel like Hospice is an album that most people would enjoy if they give it the time of day.
Probably. Death Cab fans would cream themselves over it.

[oddwithoutend]

Probably. Death Cab fans would cream themselves over it.

Haha yes they would.

[IWasaCamera]

Haha yes they would.
You might as well post a link to the band's myspace in Death Cab's official thread. Might stimulate some discussion.

[oddwithoutend]

Haha I'm going to. Good call.

[IWasaCamera]

I'm so much fonder of Rossen than I am of Droste.

[bradnewman]

Today veckatimest hit off hard and i am really enjoying it now. Great mood to the whole album

[IWasaCamera]

Really pales in comparison when you spin Yellow House before.

[bradnewman]

Really pales in comparison when you spin Yellow House before.

I do think yellow house is better... the song marla gives me chils everytime i hear it... i was just excited that veckatimest wasent a failure and grizzly bear can be seen as having 3 pretty solid albums. (dont know about the limited released albums)

[IWasaCamera]

I enjoy it too despite the disappointment.

[Kid B]

I'm so much fonder of Rossen than I am of Droste.
Do you like DoE that much?

[IWasaCamera]

Not that much. In Ear Park certainly shits all over Veckatimest though.

[Kid B]

:hitself:

[IWasaCamera]

Boy, you showed me.

[Kid B]

And you, me.

[IWasaCamera]

Reciprocity is saucy.

[Kid B]

Good input.

[IWasaCamera]

Do I post a facepalm smilie now?

[Kid B]

I am not going to argue any further because no matter how many points I make, viable or not, it will still end up with me being insulted due to my age and it's not worth my time.

[IWasaCamera]

When I have I ever insulted you due to your age? If anything, I've always found your taste in music ridiculously precocious. Moreover, what viable points have you made?

[Kid B]

When I have I ever insulted you due to your age? If anything, I've always found your taste in music ridiculously precocious. Moreover, what viable points have you made?
Eventually you lose tally of who has and who hasn't used that remark. Sorry for lumping you in, it just becomes a reflex to expect it I suppose. I haven't made any viable points, but our argument was never really an actual argument built of points as opposed to bickering back and forth. I do not want to argue, you'll probably win anyway.

[IWasaCamera]

Only idiots use age as a trump card in an argument. If we ever engage in a debate, I'll address your claims rather than indulging in petty tactics that do nothing to further the discussion.

[mmmmmpoetry]

New album is fuckin' incredible, everyone should listen to ittttt!

[briewer]

It's not better than Yellow House, not by a long shot.

[IWasHerHorse]

It's not better than Yellow House, not by a long shot.

That's true, but Yellow House is a hard album to top.

[briewer]

That's true, but Yellow House is a hard album to top.
I'll drink to that.

[ruffian]

I've been in love with the new Cant (Chris Taylor for those who don't know) song. Anybody else enjoy?

[ruffian]

I'd also say this is better than any Grizzly Bear song. Actually, this band's side projects are much better than this band.

[Theseventhson]

Thread needs to be revived.

[briewer]

I'd also say this is better than any Grizzly Bear song. Actually, this band's side projects are much better than this band.
Yeah... no.

[ruffian]

Yeah... no.

Ok. I don't really like this band so I don't know how you'd convince me otherwise.

[IWasaCamera]

Veckatimest is still boring.

[Osto]

Veckatimest is still boring.


Haha. Could not agree more. It's almost a chore trying to listen to the album in its entirety.

If we lived in the day and age where people still bought cds the amount of returned Vecktamests in the used bins would rival Tubthumper.

I'm beginning to feel very embarrassed of the independent music culture that has spawned from the popularity of Best New Music. Bear in Heaven anyone?

[IWasaCamera]

The only qualm I have with BNM is how predictable the picks are. Pretty much anyone who's been following this "culture" has seen the Grizzly Bear explosion coming for years.

[Osto]

The only qualm I have with BNM is how predictable the picks are. Pretty much anyone who's been following this "culture" has seen the Grizzly Bear explosion coming for years.


Agreed. You know when Pitchfork goes out of their way just to make a front page article about the album art never mind the rest of the publicity that the album is going to score highly. I'm actually surprised they didn't score the new Weezer higher considering the random news about them. But there's only so much you can do when the source material is THAT hard to defend.

It's just a shame that the whole culture is so predictable and easily determined by a single website. I'm just very thankful I got to see the Antlers perform before they were blessed with the title.

[oddwithoutend]

I like Veckatimest more than I used to. It's solid enough.

[xJesusFreakx]

I listened to a few songs on MySpace. Not bad, but nothing too special. It wasn't as boring as I recalled, though. What's their best album? I might check it out.

Jay-Z digs them. Uh, that counts for something, right?

[IWasaCamera]

Yellow House and Horn Of Plenty are far more interesting.

[oddwithoutend]

Never heard Horn of Plenty, but Yellow House is an excellent album. Much better than Veckatimest, yes.

[jbertclassic]

Yellow House is that good eh? After 6 or 7 Veckatimest spins I still can't replay a single track in my head, and I've concluded it's fairly bland. Might give Yellow House a shot.

[theguy77]

im in the middle of listening to Yellow House for the very first time.

fuck, i have never heard something so simultaneously jubilant and horrifying, so poppy and yet so self-indulgent, so ethereal and ambitious but inherently modest and docile under one hell of a recording session; the polar opposite dichotomies on this record have me dumbfounded. the percussion is expressive and far from confined, the vocals ascend layer by layer into a colossal torrent of melodious saturation, every song is just swimming in a constantly expanding ocean of reverberance, the timbre is just both earthy and airy at the same time and i simply cant comprehend how they're doing it. the instrumentation is all over the place, so many unexpected instruments. it's much the same for their chord progressions, i have literally never heard some of these combinations tied together by a cohesive melody, it's unfathomable from a songwriting perspective how this could have possibly been collectively visualized. i havent had to completely reposition my perspective on what can be done with music like this since i first heard caribou's Andorra. fuck it, i dont care if this is where the hype is right now, this band is brilliant, and Yellow House is for sure one of the top 10 favorite records ive discovered this year.

cliffnote: this is like fleet foxes on LSD.

[IWasaCamera]

Don't worry, the hype is for Veckashitfest.

[xJesusFreakx]

I love watching Ryan have such borderline orgasmic reactions to certain bands/albums/songs. I honestly can't remember the last time I was nearly that excited about something.

[spritelybrin]

just started taking a listen to this band...havent heard too much so cant say much, but of what i've heard so far, i like it.
song i heard of the New Moon soundtrack was brilliant, thanks to my lil sister's christmas present to me lol they sparked my interest

[IWasaCamera]

Their latest is their most accessible, so I'd suggest starting there and working backwards.

[IntoTheSun]

im in the middle of listening to Yellow House for the very first time.

fuck, i have never heard something so simultaneously jubilant and horrifying, so poppy and yet so self-indulgent, so ethereal and ambitious but inherently modest and docile under one hell of a recording session; the polar opposite dichotomies on this record have me dumbfounded. the percussion is expressive and far from confined, the vocals ascend layer by layer into a colossal torrent of melodious saturation, every song is just swimming in a constantly expanding ocean of reverberance, the timbre is just both earthy and airy at the same time and i simply cant comprehend how they're doing it. the instrumentation is all over the place, so many unexpected instruments. it's much the same for their chord progressions, i have literally never heard some of these combinations tied together by a cohesive melody, it's unfathomable from a songwriting perspective how this could have possibly been collectively visualized. i havent had to completely reposition my perspective on what can be done with music like this since i first heard caribou's Andorra. fuck it, i dont care if this is where the hype is right now, this band is brilliant, and Yellow House is for sure one of the top 10 favorite records ive discovered this year.

cliffnote: this is like fleet foxes on LSD.

HAHAHAHAHAHAHA...oh Ryan.

Edit: the only time I can remember having similar thoughts as you was when I first listened to Ok Computer. That's it.

I love watching Ryan have such borderline orgasmic reactions to certain bands/albums/songs. I honestly can't remember the last time I was nearly that excited about something.

Same here. Both your posts had me laughing out loud. Veckamist was pretty boring. I really only liked "2 weeks" Mmmm...such a good song.

[jbertclassic]

I've had 5 or 6 Veckatimest listens, and cannot remember one song. Can't even remember any riffs.
Yet, "Knife", "On A Neck..", "Little Brother", and "Plan" are always stuck in my head.
I live in a Yellow House.

[IWasaCamera]

Knife > Two Weeks where lead singles are concerned.

[briewer]

im in the middle of listening to Yellow House for the very first time.

fuck, i have never heard something so simultaneously jubilant and horrifying, so poppy and yet so self-indulgent, so ethereal and ambitious but inherently modest and docile under one hell of a recording session; the polar opposite dichotomies on this record have me dumbfounded. the percussion is expressive and far from confined, the vocals ascend layer by layer into a colossal torrent of melodious saturation, every song is just swimming in a constantly expanding ocean of reverberance, the timbre is just both earthy and airy at the same time and i simply cant comprehend how they're doing it. the instrumentation is all over the place, so many unexpected instruments. it's much the same for their chord progressions, i have literally never heard some of these combinations tied together by a cohesive melody, it's unfathomable from a songwriting perspective how this could have possibly been collectively visualized. i havent had to completely reposition my perspective on what can be done with music like this since i first heard caribou's Andorra. fuck it, i dont care if this is where the hype is right now, this band is brilliant, and Yellow House is for sure one of the top 10 favorite records ive discovered this year.
You're just listening to Yellow House now? Jesus, and you call yourself indie.

cliffnote: this is like fleet foxes on LSD.
And now you know why I wasn't that high on them.

[briewer]

Knife > Two Weeks where lead singles are concerned.
well duh.

[xJesusFreakx]

I listened to some of Veckatimest on MySpace and enjoyed their style but found the songs to be completely forgettable. (Literally, if I saw the song titles or heard them again, I wouldn't remember them.) Based on what people are saying, I take it I should check out Yellow House.

[briewer]

I listened to some of Veckatimest on MySpace and enjoyed their style but found the songs to be completely forgettable. (Literally, if I saw the song titles or heard them again, I wouldn't remember them.) Based on what people are saying, I take it I should check out Yellow House.
Def. I hate Veckatimest, but Yellow House is in my top ten for the decade.

[xJesusFreakx]

Def. I hate Veckatimest, but Yellow House is in my top ten for the decade.

I thought you liked Veckatimest?

[briewer]

I thought you liked Veckatimest?
Not at all.

[IWasaCamera]

well duh.
Stating the obvious tends to be necessary around here. Just doing my part.

[xJesusFreakx]

Not at all.

Did you ever like it? I thought I remembered you speak positively (maybe not highly, but positively) of it somewhere on this site, though it might have been you talking about Grizzly Bear in general.

[briewer]

Stating the obvious tends to be necessary around here. Just doing my part.
Fair enough. Nothing against "Two Weeks", but "Knife" is just that good.

[IntoTheSun]

Stating the obvious tends to be necessary around here. Just doing my part.

Well duh.

[IWasaCamera]

Fair enough. Nothing against "Two Weeks", but "Knife" is just that good.
Two Weeks is fine. Hell, that's an accurate qualifier for Veckatimest as a whole. Just hoped for more after Yellow House.
Well duh.
Yeah.

[briewer]

Did you ever like it? I thought I remembered you speak positively (maybe not highly, but positively) of it somewhere on this site, though it might have been you talking about Grizzly Bear in general.
I might have been slightly sympathetic of it after my initial revulsion of it, after giving it a few more listens, and after leaving Yellow House and In Ear Park on the shelf for a while, but my view of it has never been much warmer than indifference. It's just a boring, ill-conceived record with far too many lapses in quality and taste.

[briewer]

Two Weeks is fine. Hell, that's an accurate qualifier for Veckatimest as a whole.
Really? I thought it was more of the equivalent of "Electric Feel" to Oracular Spectacular: the early high point on an album that has a few highs afterwards but far too many lows to be enjoyable. Also, everyone thought it was the best thing since sliced bread when it really was rather shitty. And SNL cast members made a point of referencing it to seem cool. And it's your little brother's favorite album of 2008/9.

I like this metaphor.

Just hoped for more after Yellow House.
Oh definitely. I'm just hoping that album wasn't a one time stroke of genius thing, and that at some point down the road we can get proper followup to it.

[IWasaCamera]

Really? I thought it was more of the equivalent of "Electric Feel" to Oracular Spectacular: the early high point on an album that has a few highs afterwards but far too many lows to be enjoyable. Also, everyone thought it was the best thing since sliced bread when it really was rather shitty. And SNL cast members made a point of referencing it to seem cool. And it's your little brother's favorite album of 2008/9.

I like this metaphor.
In other words, fine.
Oh definitely. I'm just hoping that album wasn't a one time stroke of genius thing, and that at some point down the road we can get proper followup to it.
Wouldn't hold my breath. I'll just wait for new DOE.

[briewer]

Wouldn't hold my breath. I'll just wait for new DOE.
Me neither, especially considering the kind of feedback they got from Vecktimest. Sigh.....

[Chromefox]

I've heard good things about Veckatimest myself. This is the first I'm seeing of the bad. Regardless, Yellow House is the shit.

[oddwithoutend]

It seems like everyone but pitchfork knows Yellow House is the superior album.

[IWasaCamera]

Me neither, especially considering the kind of feedback they got from Vecktimest. Sigh.....
Was never the biggest fan so it's alright. Tons of good tunes to go around.

[MyWorldEntire]

I still enjoy "All We Ask" and "While You Wait For The Others" quite a bit.

[Chromefox]

Well, I'm not gonna judge Veckatimest before actually hearing it, but Yellow House is admittedly going to be hard to top.

[jbertclassic]

I listened to some of Veckatimest on MySpace and enjoyed their style but found the songs to be completely forgettable. (Literally, if I saw the song titles or heard them again, I wouldn't remember them.) Based on what people are saying, I take it I should check out Yellow House.
This was its biggest downfall for me as well. I would spin the album, enjoy it for the most part, a few songs i really took to, and then afterwards it was an afterthought. I can't even remember how Two Weeks goes at all and I've listened to it 7 or 8 times. Yellow House just sticks with me more, and it is more interesting in general.

[RushAndAPush]

rbrq9CC1ips
Seriously this guys voice is insane. Its makes my hair stand up on end.

[Cuddleworthy]

a rush and a push and the grizzly bears are ourrrzzzzzzzzzzzzzz

[kearn1tm]

im in the middle of listening to Yellow House for the very first time.

fuck, i have never heard something so simultaneously jubilant and horrifying, so poppy and yet so self-indulgent, so ethereal and ambitious but inherently modest and docile under one hell of a recording session; the polar opposite dichotomies on this record have me dumbfounded. the percussion is expressive and far from confined, the vocals ascend layer by layer into a colossal torrent of melodious saturation, every song is just swimming in a constantly expanding ocean of reverberance, the timbre is just both earthy and airy at the same time and i simply cant comprehend how they're doing it. the instrumentation is all over the place, so many unexpected instruments. it's much the same for their chord progressions, i have literally never heard some of these combinations tied together by a cohesive melody, it's unfathomable from a songwriting perspective how this could have possibly been collectively visualized. i havent had to completely reposition my perspective on what can be done with music like this since i first heard caribou's Andorra. fuck it, i dont care if this is where the hype is right now, this band is brilliant, and Yellow House is for sure one of the top 10 favorite records ive discovered this year.

cliffnote: this is like fleet foxes on LSD.

OMG do u rite fr p4k?!

[Cuddleworthy]

lykke li is pretty hot

[kearn1tm]

lykke li is pretty hot

I don't even know who that is.

[Cuddleworthy]

I don't even know who that is.

http://gyazo.com/d4dad7b916f426418301baea295028cb.pn g

[briewer]

OMG do u rite fr p4k?!
Mostly because he compares them to Fleet Foxes. :puke:

[kearn1tm]

im in the middle of listening to Mega Man II soundtrack for the very first time.

fuck, i have never heard something so simultaneously jubilant and horrifying, so poppy and yet so self-indulgent, so ethereal and ambitious but inherently modest and docile under one hell of a recording session; the polar opposite dichotomies on this record have me dumbfounded. the percussion is expressive and far from confined, the vocals ascend layer by layer into a colossal torrent of melodious saturation, every song is just swimming in a constantly expanding ocean of reverberance, the timbre is just both earthy and airy at the same time and i simply cant comprehend how they're doing it. the instrumentation is all over the place, so many unexpected instruments. it's much the same for their chord progressions, i have literally never heard some of these combinations tied together by a cohesive melody, it's unfathomable from a songwriting perspective how this could have possibly been collectively visualized. i havent had to completely reposition my perspective on what can be done with music like this since i first played Custer's Revenge. fuck it, i dont care if this is where the hype is right now, this shit is brilliant, and Mega Man II is for sure one of the top 10 favorite games ive discovered this year.

cliffnote: this is like Duck Hunt on acid

[kearn1tm]

Mostly because he compares them to Fleet Foxes. :puke:

Call me a regular Bubble Man, but both bore me (except parts of Horn of Plenty. I kinda like that album).

[kearn1tm]

Oh, and Fleet Foxes have that one good song where they're all "brother you don't have to turn me away, frodo and I are hanging at the ancient gates. Brother you honor me with light don't go awayyyyy" or some shit. I'm not even being facetious. It's a catchy in a medieval Fleetwood Mac way.

[kearn1tm]

uVn96gyZ5cM

[briewer]

Oh, and Fleet Foxes have that one good song where they're all "brother you don't have to turn me away, frodo and I are hanging at the ancient gates. Brother you honor me with light don't go awayyyyy" or some shit. I'm not even being facetious. It's a catchy in a medieval Fleetwood Mac way.
I have no idea what the fuck you're talking about.

[briewer]

Call me a regular Bubble Man, but both bore me (except parts of Horn of Plenty. I kinda like that album).
Eh. Either way, the comparison awkward in a distinctly Ryan-esque, I-act-like-I-know-exactly-what-I'm-talking-about-but-really-don't-like-at-all kind of way.

[kearn1tm]

I have no idea what the fuck you're talking about.

I found it!

DT-dxG4WWf4

That song is catchy. They're pretty boring otherwise.

[briewer]

http://gyazo.com/d4dad7b916f426418301baea295028cb.pn g
Dear god.

[kearn1tm]

Eh. Either way, the comparison awkward in a distinctly Ryan-esque, I-act-like-I-know-exactly-what-I'm-talking-about-but-really-don't-like-at-all kind of way.

Hahaha. Oh man. Don't step, he'll drop some music theory on your ass!

In his defense, he is just discovering all the shit hipsters have pretended to love since '04. Give him time to put the pieces together.

[briewer]

I found it!

DT-dxG4WWf4

That song is catchy. They're pretty boring otherwise.
Okay, I've never heard of it because I only have their full-length. I'm pretty high on 'Ragged Wood' and like 'White Winter Hymnal', but could really give a crap about the rest of the album.

[kearn1tm]

And yes, I do realize I'm the dude in old-man sweaters who just listened to Crystal Castles for the first time a month ago. The difference of course being that I'm attractive.

[theguy77]

OMG do u rite fr p4k?!

nah i just masturbate to my thesaurus

[IntoTheSun]

im in the middle of listening to Mega Man II soundtrack for the very first time.

fuck, i have never heard something so simultaneously jubilant and horrifying, so poppy and yet so self-indulgent, so ethereal and ambitious but inherently modest and docile under one hell of a recording session; the polar opposite dichotomies on this record have me dumbfounded. the percussion is expressive and far from confined, the vocals ascend layer by layer into a colossal torrent of melodious saturation, every song is just swimming in a constantly expanding ocean of reverberance, the timbre is just both earthy and airy at the same time and i simply cant comprehend how they're doing it. the instrumentation is all over the place, so many unexpected instruments. it's much the same for their chord progressions, i have literally never heard some of these combinations tied together by a cohesive melody, it's unfathomable from a songwriting perspective how this could have possibly been collectively visualized. i havent had to completely reposition my perspective on what can be done with music like this since i first played Custer's Revenge. fuck it, i dont care if this is where the hype is right now, this shit is brilliant, and Mega Man II is for sure one of the top 10 favorite games ive discovered this year.

cliffnote: this is like Duck Hunt on acid

OOOooooO I love mad libs

[kearn1tm]

nah i just masturbate to my thesaurus

DOCILE! toot

[IntoTheSun]

Ryan, is my pasta ready yet?

[theguy77]

also, the more i listen to grizzly bear the less they do sound like fleet foxes. either way i probably listened to yellow house more in a week than i have listened to fleet foxes s/t total.

[kearn1tm]

Ryan, is my pasta ready yet?

RADIOHEAD! brap

[kearn1tm]

also, the more i listen to grizzly bear the less they do sound like fleet foxes. either way i probably listened to yellow house more in a week than i have listened to fleet foxes s/t total.

Yes, but how do they compare to Fleet Foxes on acid?!

[IntoTheSun]

RADIOHEAD! brap

What kind of pretentious fuck do you think I am, sir? I just wanted some pasta!

[IntoTheSun]

The Microphones are LESS boring than Fleet Foxes.

[theguy77]

Yes, but how do they compare to Fleet Foxes on acid?!

hahahaha, well i cant say there's any competition there. on acid it's like squirrels and fawns are singing to you.

[Theseventhson]

Been listening to Horn of Plenty a lot lately.

[kearn1tm]

It sucks that I don't do the drugs, because I imagine Northbrook on PCP would sound like puppet prison rape while the dude with the voices from Police Academy pets a teddy bear.

And yes, I mentioned your band before you did, and no, you would have invariably namedropped it in some faux-self deprecation remark, and yes, we know, you're the Northbrook guy.

I don't use smileys, so just don't take it super personal. Or do. Whatever. Broooother you play frisby with me at the ancient gates!

[kearn1tm]

The Microphones are LESS boring than Fleet Foxes.

I'll give you that.

[theguy77]

It sucks that I don't do the drugs, because I imagine Northbrook on PCP would sound like puppet prison rape while the dude with the voices from Police Academy pets a teddy bear.

And yes, I mentioned your band before you did, and no, you would have invariably namedropped it in some faux-self deprecation remark, and yes, we know, you're the Northbrook guy.

I don't use smileys, so just don't take it super personal. Or do. Whatever. Broooother you play frisby with me at the ancient gates!

actually my blue name takes care of this for me so i no longer have to be THAT guy.

i dont take anything about you personally. the sex was just sex, todd.

[kearn1tm]

OSTENTATIOUS DOCILE NORTHBROOK BON MOT.

I'm out of your league, bro.

[IntoTheSun]

<Inserts comment about Andrea's heart being broken>

Edit: Too late.

[Chromefox]

Sound wise, I don't find much similarity between Yellow House and Fleet Foxes, but I usually feel like playing them together.

[kearn1tm]

<Inserts comment about Andrea's heart being broken>

Edit: Too late.

Three Asian girls hit on me in the last two days.

One is in a class I TA (see: teach it because the prof wanted to go on sabatical and was denied, so his heart isn't into the class and dumps everything on me). After class, she stayed behind to thank me for the A I "gave her" and claimed she had a crush on me because "I look professorly."

What I'm saying is, this girl thinks I'm cute because I look old. I'm very sensitive about my fucking age. Tell her to cut the shit at the next meeting, Andrea!

[theguy77]

the similarities i find between the two are mostly in the production. songwriting and vocals wise, there's little comparison to be made.

[kearn1tm]

Sound wise, I don't find much similarity between Yellow House and Fleet Foxes, but I usually feel like playing them together.

Pipe down Ryan 2: Vagina. He doesn't need your help!

[IntoTheSun]

Three Asian girls hit on me in the last two days.

One is in a class I TA (see: teach it because the prof wanted to go on sabatical and was denied, so his heart isn't into the class and dumps everything on me). After class, she stayed behind to thank me for the A I "gave her" and claimed she had a crush on me because "I look professorly."

What I'm saying is, this girl thinks I'm cute because I look old. I'm very sensitive about my fucking age. Tell her to cut the shit at the next meeting, Andrea!

Will you write me a poem, Todd? Rick wrote me a poem.

You know what I'm doing now? I'm baking cookies with friends and playing rock band with an actual fucking cowbell. That makes me pretty young and cool.

What I'm saying is, Asian girls like geeks, you should know that by now. You should mention it to your people too at your next meeting.

[flask]

I bought Veckatimest on a whim based on a couple of recommendations from friends and I loved it. I showed it to my friend, and he loved it too. A little too much I think. Now he literally blasts Grizzly Bear in his car every time we hang out and Im getting tired of them already. The End.

[kearn1tm]

Will you write me a poem, Todd? Rick wrote me a poem.

You know what I'm doing now? I'm baking cookies with friends and playing rock band with an actual fucking cowbell. That makes me pretty young and cool.

What I'm saying is, Asian girls like geeks, you should know that by now. You should mention it to your people too at your next meeting.

Oh yeah? Well I'm grading "baby's first synthesis papers" for these stupid freshmen in my stupid prof's office like a stupid adult!

Whitey doesn't have meetings, dude. They have picknicks. Picknicks with coleslaw. You think I like being white? Coleslaw, dude. You think I like coleslaw?

(PS: Poem)

toot
brap
l - i - k -e
tropicana I
got the juice
brap

[jbertclassic]

I bought Veckatimest on a whim based on a couple of recommendations from friends and I loved it. I showed it to my friend, and he loved it too. A little too much I think. Now he literally blasts Grizzly Bear in his car every time we hang out and Im getting tired of them already. The End.
Most regrettable.

[IntoTheSun]

Oh yeah? Well I'm grading "baby's first synthesis papers" for these stupid freshmen in my stupid prof's office like a stupid adult!

Whitey doesn't have meetings, dude. They have picknicks. Picknicks with coleslaw. You think I like being white? Coleslaw, dude. You think I like coleslaw?

(PS: Poem)

Oh, oh no. Are you one of those...homo people?

Uhm, well, I don't really know, like what, man. What do you want from me? I HAVE NO COLESLAW.

[oddwithoutend]

'Two Weeks' is on a commercial now. Sweet beans.

[s.t.e.v.e.n.]

I love Two Weeks but despite how much I wanted to love Veckitamest it was always just decent to me. That album requires effort to get through.

[oddwithoutend]

It's kind of a drag, but yeah. Decent.

[s.t.e.v.e.n.]

Its funny cause I always felt like I kind of liked boring music. But again, while I don't dislike Veckatimest, I just have to work through it.

/things that have already been said

[Chromefox]

Pipe down Ryan 2: Vagina. He doesn't need your help! Should I make this my new usertitle?

[kearn1tm]

Should I make this my new usertitle?

Do you like asking obvious questions?!

[Chromefox]

Do you like asking obvious questions?! Is it flattering having a mall-indie version of Todd/Todd-Lite?

[kearn1tm]

Is it flattering having a mall-indie version of Todd/Todd-Lite?

Brian's starting to find himself, okay?!

That may be a lie. Also, what's "mall-indie?"

[Chromefox]

Brian's starting to find himself, okay?!

That may be a lie. Also, what's "mall-indie?" Everything I listen to, obviously.

[briewer]

Pipe down Ryan 2: Vagina. He doesn't need your help!
Haha that's great.

Is it flattering having a mall-indie version of Todd/Todd-Lite?
I'm fine with people calling me Todd-lite (though, considering how often he calls the bands that I like boring, that might not even work), but 'mall-indie'? Please child, don't make me laugh, you know how I hate when you make me laugh.

[kearn1tm]

I'm fine with people calling me Todd-lite (though, considering how often he calls the bands that I like boring, that might not even work), but 'mall-indie'? Please child, don't make me laugh, you know how I hate when you make me laugh.

Dude, 89.1203seven% of the music I like is boring, and that's being generous.

[Cuddleworthy]

100% of this thread is boring

[briewer]

100% of this thread is boring
BOOM! Radek's here all week.

[Cuddleworthy]

BOOM! Radek's here all week.

"He who has a why to be in the Grizzly Bear thread can bear with almost any how!"

[briewer]

I was reading Rolling Stones' end of the decade issue at work today, and the bit they wrote for Fleet Foxes' self-titled was so laughable I wanted to throw up (well, that and my hangover):

The most inviting song set to come out of the freak-folk/beard-rock movement was a reminder of the simple power of harmony. On elegant pastoral jams like "Tiger Mountain Peasant Song," 22-year-old Robin Pecknold used CSNY-style timbres to build a clapboard-church choir of sound that seemed to exist in its own world. The fact that bands like Grizzly Bear and the Dirty Projectors subsequently pushed intricate, multipart vocals to the forefront may be a coincidence. But it probably isn't.

Really? Do you have to know anything about music to work there?

[Theseventhson]

I was reading Rolling Stones' end of the decade issue at work today, and the bit they wrote for Fleet Foxes' self-titled was so laughable I wanted to throw up (well, that and my hangover):



Really? Do you have to know anything about music to work there?
Lol, Fleet Foxes totally invented harmonies, especially in folk music.

[briewer]

Lol, Fleet Foxes totally invented harmonies, especially in folk music.
And apparently can time-travel.

[IWasaCamera]

Yikes.

[theguy77]

hahahahaha

was totally listening to Yellow House on my way to my internet marketing class today. now the professor is spending class teaching us how to create your own blog page, something any common person who was born after 1985 already knows how to do... such a waste. i wish i spent the time listening to grizzly bear instead of this pointless lecture, and the really posh, annoying british accent of the girl two seats from me.

[IWasaCamera]

British accents > Veckatimest.

[briewer]

Yikes.
Word.

[goldsoundz]

i saw these live on friday with beach house as support and it was truly incredible. both bands.

[quicksilv001]

REALLY getting into these guys lately

[theguy77]

"southern point" was literally the best song on Veckatimest. the fact that it had such an incredible opening song, and then never again even touched such a peak the whole time really killed the album for me, but it wasnt enough of a disappointment for me not to listen to it a couple more times and see if my opinion changes.

[oddwithoutend]

I like 'Two Weeks', 'While you Wait for Others', and 'Ready, Able' quite a bit more than the opener.

[oddwithoutend]

British accents > Veckatimest.
I think I agree with this.

[blebbio]

my favs on veckatimest are probably tracks 5-7.

[briewer]

That Rolling Stone bit about Fleet Foxes still cracks me up. "The reason 2006's Yellow House and 2007's Rise Above have intricate, multi-part vocals is because in 2008 Fleet Foxes released an album that had intricate, multi-part vocals, duh." I'm pretty sure anyone here could join that staff and instantly become the most knowledgeable person there.

[RushAndAPush]

That Rolling Stone bit about Fleet Foxes still cracks me up. "The reason 2006's Yellow House and 2007's Rise Above have intricate, multi-part vocals is because in 2008 Fleet Foxes released an album that had intricate, multi-part vocals, duh." I'm pretty sure anyone here could join that staff and instantly become the most knowledgeable person there.Do they have the mental capacity to understand that the years 2006 and 2007 are before 2008?

[briewer]

Do they have the mental capacity to understand that the years 2006 and 2007 are before 2008?
Not when they want to make a point about albums released in 2009 despite precedence in the two bands' own careers, they don't.

[Chromefox]

Veckatimest was a snore.

[oddwithoutend]

I think it's more of a wheeze.

[quicksilv001]

I disagree, I enjoy Veckatimest quite a lot.

[IWasHerHorse]

http://wearephoenix.com/grizzly_bear_remix/

[briewer]

Veckatimest= :redcard:

[Theseventhson]

I really enjoy Foreground.

[popo]

dey coo

[-XM-]

These guys are great. Horn of Plenty, Yellow House and Veckatimest are all great CDs in their own way.

[theguy77]

Yellow House still rules. i want to make music like that some day.

[theguy77]

man seriously from a songwriting standpoint, "little brother" is so incredible. not only is the original riff completely unusual and almost weird to the ears considering it keeps changing its root chord from a Bb to a G back and forth, but the actual "main" chord of the song is a D and it keeps walking up and down to it the entire time, i mean the song is just key change after key change and it's all COMPLETELY smooth. i especially love the middle. it starts off with the song's main motif (in D), then explodes into a minute long interlude of vocal harmonies starting with F# minor and walking its way all the way back down to the main motif again, which gets played 3 times before they play a part that acutally mixes the song's original riff WITH the main motif and they kind of alternate with each other. like, fucking genius, that's more complex than most classical music.

[Cuddleworthy]

fapfapfap

-ryan

[theguy77]

yeah basically

[IntoTheSun]

I giggled at one comment on this page...

[kearn1tm]

man seriously from a songwriting standpoint, "little brother" is so incredible. not only is the original riff completely unusual and almost weird to the ears considering it keeps changing its root chord from a Bb to a G back and forth, but the actual "main" chord of the song is a D and it keeps walking up and down to it the entire time, i mean the song is just key change after key change and it's all COMPLETELY smooth. i especially love the middle. it starts off with the song's main motif (in D), then explodes into a minute long interlude of vocal harmonies starting with F# minor and walking its way all the way back down to the main motif again, which gets played 3 times before they play a part that acutally mixes the song's original riff WITH the main motif and they kind of alternate with each other. like, fucking genius, that's more complex than most classical music.

Let me preface this by saying that I don't mean to attack you or come across as contemptuous. I just have to pose this question: when you make posts like this, where you throw out your theory knowledge and all the terminology/rhetoric to deconstruct a piece of music, does anyone ever respond? Like not in a "yeah, that song's good" way, but, you know, actually engaging what you said and starting a dialog about that?

I'm asking because I have to wonder what you accomplish with these posts. It's like, cool, Ryan's excited about something, and he's expressing that excitement in a thread about the band, but what does "more complex than most classical music" mean other than "it's intricate on a technical scale," and why does that make it "fucking genius?" And even then, you could explain it, but there'd be something lost in translation as, you know, I have a cocktail party knowledge in theory at best and most of my music making is confined to shitty 2 note chord progressions on my bass. I'm just wondering if anyone else has such an active interest in the mechanics/form as you on this site (probably) and finds value in talking about it in that way (probably not, but I could be wrong). I just seems like you're constantly left unsatisfied, and it's not like any of us can really have a dialog with you about posts like this. I don't know dude.

[theguy77]

Let me preface this by saying that I don't mean to attack you or come across as contemptuous. I just have to pose this question: when you make posts like this, where you throw out your theory knowledge and all the terminology/rhetoric to deconstruct a piece of music, does anyone ever respond? Like not in a "yeah, that song's good" way, but, you know, actually engaging what you said and starting a dialog about that?

I'm asking because I have to wonder what you accomplish with these posts. It's like, cool, Ryan's excited about something, and he's expressing that excitement in a thread about the band, but what does "more complex than most classical music" mean other than "it's intricate on a technical scale," and why does that make it "fucking genius?" And even then, you could explain it, but there'd be something lost in translation as, you know, I have a cocktail party knowledge in theory at best and most of my music making is confined to shitty 2 note chord progressions on my bass. I'm just wondering if anyone has such an active interest in the mechanics/form as you on this site (probably) and finds value in talking about it in that way. I just seems like you're constantly left unsatisfied, and it's not like any of us can really have a dialog with you about posts like this. I don't know dude.

haha i guess i kind of hope someone else who reads my post does, on the off-chance, know music theory because thats a whole side of music im really interested in that i don't really get to discuss. i like to break down the songwriting, and in this case i was actually learning "little brother" on guitar and have been enthralled by all the things they do with that song. whenever i get excited about something in music, it's almost impulsive to share it on AP since that's what ive done for what, 4 years now? and i guess i get carried away with my posts sometimes -- it never satisfies me to just say "i like this song because it's good."

as for the "fucking genius" part, that doesn't necessiarly imply that such intricate songwriting is universally pleasing to the ears of ALL your listeners, nor that simpler music is unintelligible. however, you would have to be thoroughly skilled and knowledgable in music to be able to write something like that, and as a songwriter myself i really appreciate that kind of thing when i come across it.

[ruffian]

u guys r so gay

[kearn1tm]

haha i guess i kind of hope someone else who reads my post does, on the off-chance, know music theory because thats a whole side of music im really interested in that i don't really get to discuss. i like to break down the songwriting, and in this case i was actually learning "little brother" on guitar and have been enthralled by all the things they do with that song. whenever i get excited about something in music, it's almost impulsive to share it on AP since that's what ive done for what, 4 years now? and i guess i get carried away with my posts sometimes -- it never satisfies me to just say "i like this song because it's good."

as for the "fucking genius" part, that doesn't necessiarly imply that such intricate songwriting is universally pleasing to the ears of ALL your listeners, nor that simpler music is unintelligible. however, you would have to be thoroughly skilled and knowledgable in music to be able to write something like that, and as a songwriter myself i really appreciate that kind of thing when i come across it.

u guys r so gay

Boring.