"real emo"

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alright well im not too well-versed in this subject but id like to know of a few 'essential" emo albums that i shoudl look into. i dont mean Fall out boy..i mean original mid 90's emo bands. im really into Sunny Day real Estate and Hot Water Music . though about SDRE ive heard both that they're emo and indie, not emo.

[Hilikus]

Saetia- A Retrospective

[still_life]

SDRE was an indie rock band, with Diary having a few post hardcore moments.

Indian Summer - Discography
Julia - Julia
Rites Of Spring - End Of End
Embrace - Embrace
Portraits Of Past LP
Moss Icon - Lyburnum Wit's End
Still Life - From Angry Heads With Skyward Eyes
Native Nod - Today Puberty, Tomorrow The World
Hoover/Lincoln - split 7"
Navio Forge - As We Quietly Burn A Hole LP
Policy of 3 - Dead Dog Summer
Maximillian Colby - Discography

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which of you gave me negative scene points/ im just wondering cuz i dont know what i said that was so stupid

[Pat Marquez]

Still Life - From Angry Heads With Skyward Eyes

Sadly, of that list.. that is the only album I own .. :(

I need more money.

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well doesn't SDRE sound more '"emo" in terms of soft and melodic than hardcore(as you know, where it came from) in relation to say Rites of Spring? ROS to me sound way more punk-ish. there doesnt seem to be a clear line between emo and indie as far as i can tell

Saetia- A Retrospective

you said they were early screamo

[oldwirehands]

The Promise Ring and The Appleseed Cast

[Lozin_It]

Question! -raises hand- I'm confued on My Chemical Romance... They are Emo or... what?

[beatin_hearts]

Question! -raises hand- I'm confued on My Chemical Romance... They are Emo or... what?

are you trying to make yourself sound retarded?
they're more towards the label of teenie bopper pre-teen fans rock in my opinion

[still_life]

well doesn't SDRE sound more '"emo" in terms of soft and melodic than hardcore(as you know, where it came from) in relation to say Rites of Spring? ROS to me sound way more punk-ish. there doesnt seem to be a clear line between emo and indie as far as i can tell

Emo is hardcore, and hardcore is punk.

[Alex Djaferis]

Question! -raises hand- I'm confued on My Chemical Romance... They are Emo or... what?

No. Theyre just rock in my opinion.

[AWilhelmPetter]

Blind Luck Music is some sort of emo i guess - great band

[morte]

Emo is hardcore, and hardcore is punk.
Embrace = Saetia?
Saetia = Nofx?
Embrace = Nofx?

Punk is everything.

[still_life]

Embrace = Saetia?
Saetia = Nofx?
Embrace = Nofx?

Punk is everything.

Cryptopsy = Emperor?
Emperor = Black Sabbath?
Black Sabbath = My Dying Bride?

It's called evolution of music dumbass.

[Brendan W]

go and buy A frame and canvas by Braid before you buy any other mid 90's emo record.

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Cryptopsy = Emperor?
Emperor = Black Sabbath?
Black Sabbath = My Dying Bride?

It's called evolution of music dumbass.

right. that's why i consider a lot of bands today "emo' even though many like you dont. but i still recognize the others as original emo. its just that these bands are the evolved form of emo

[still_life]

No, the evolved form of emo today is bands like Malady, Wow Owls!, A Day In Black And White, Phoenix Bodies, La Quiete, Louise Cyphre, Shikari, Gospel, An Albatross, Fax Arcana, Transistor Transistor, etc.

[fakedasmile]

No, the evolved form of emo today is bands like Malady, Wow Owls!, A Day In Black And White, Phoenix Bodies, La Quiete, Louise Cyphre, Shikari, Gospel, An Albatross, Fax Arcana, Transistor Transistor, etc.

that is a crapload of good bands you have there

Grant it it's still emo. Doesn't La quiete give a fresh sound to screamo. What is Saetia? Are they post screamo, or post emo. they were ahead of their time and some people say the kings of sreamo but they sound nothing like bands such as angel hair and songs of zarathustra.

[Hilikus]

that is a crapload of good bands you have there

Grant it it's still emo. Doesn't La quiete give a fresh sound to screamo. What is Saetia? Are they post screamo, or post emo. they were ahead of their time and some people say the kings of sreamo but they sound nothing like bands such as angel hair and songs of zarathustra.

Saetia are sick. I would say there are screamo.

[mewithcoldplay]

Joshua Fit For Battle.

Great screamo band.

[lawofaverages]

check out Swing Kids, Heroin, Impetus Inter, Elements of Need, Channel, Amber Inn, Ordination of Aaron, Shotmaker, Deadseraphim, Navio Forge, I Am The Resurrection, Honeywell, Closure, Clikitat Ikatowi, Twelve Hour Turn, On The Might Of Princes

some of those can be considered either emo or screamo, but w/e, theyre all good nonetheless

[Hilikus]

Joshua Fit For Battle.

Great screamo band.

JFFB are a damn good band.

Hot Cross and Circle Takes Square are also sick.

[still_life]

that is a crapload of good bands you have there

Grant it it's still emo. Doesn't La quiete give a fresh sound to screamo. What is Saetia? Are they post screamo, or post emo. they were ahead of their time and some people say the kings of sreamo but they sound nothing like bands such as angel hair and songs of zarathustra.

I think La Quiete sound fresh because it's Italian and they actually have decent production. And I don't differentiate between emo and screamo anymore. But Saetia would be a screamo band.

[WakingTheMisery]

No, the evolved form of emo today is bands like Malady, Wow Owls!, A Day In Black And White, Phoenix Bodies, La Quiete, Louise Cyphre, Shikari, Gospel, An Albatross, Fax Arcana, Transistor Transistor, etc.
transistor transitor is quite good.

good emo = new silverstein



i'm lying....

[fakedasmile]

I think La Quiete sound fresh because it's Italian and they actually have decent production. And I don't differentiate between emo and screamo anymore. But Saetia would be a screamo band.

yeah, the quality is really good. Its probably better to not differentiate in the long run. Thanks man.

Yes and Joshua fit for battle is really good.

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JFFB are a damn good band.

Hot Cross and Circle Takes Square are also sick.

circle takes the square ar eemo? they sound pretty much like post-hardcore


and also, like, i've seen a lot of things that say SDRE is emo and you've probably heard a lot that they aren't. so like how do you know? there seems to be a very thin line between indie and emo

[Hilikus]

circle takes the square ar eemo? they sound pretty much like post-hardcore


and also, like, i've seen a lot of things that say SDRE is emo and you've probably heard a lot that they aren't. so like how do you know? there seems to be a very thin line between indie and emo

Well think about all the emo bands mentioned in this thread. SDRE dont really sound like most of them.

[WakingTheMisery]

year of the rabbit probably isn't emo but they need to be known. i ca't remember what the singers other band was. anyone?

[still_life]

Year of the Rabbit is ex-Failure, and a very odd band to bring up in this thread.

circle takes the square ar eemo? they sound pretty much like post-hardcore


and also, like, i've seen a lot of things that say SDRE is emo and you've probably heard a lot that they aren't. so like how do you know? there seems to be a very thin line between indie and emo

Emo was originally called emocore, linking it to "emotional hardcore". It's roots are in hardcore, it's a hardcore sub-genre. Does SDRE sound hardcore to you? All the old zines back in the early 90's were calling all those bands on labels like Ebullition and Bloodlink emo bands, because they were. Then you had bands like SDRE and Weezer start appearing in the mainstream, and the word went astray. It's all one big misconception.

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Well think about all the emo bands mentioned in this thread. SDRE dont really sound like most of them.

they sound similar to The Promise Ring and Braid

[Hilikus]

they sound similar to The Promise Ring and Braid

Many people say that The Promise Ring have nothing to do with the formation of emo.


I dont know what to think anymore.

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Year of the Rabbit is ex-Failure, and a very odd band to bring up in this thread.



Emo was originally called emocore, linking it to "emotional hardcore". It's roots are in hardcore, it's a hardcore sub-genre. Does SDRE sound hardcore to you? All the old zines back in the early 90's were calling all those bands on labels like Ebullition and Bloodlink emo bands, because they were. Then you had bands like SDRE and Weezer start appearing in the mainstream, and the word went astray. It's all one big misconception.

even you said Diary has its post-hardcore moments


i know the whole punk-->hardcore--->emo relationship, but i mean to say that i think SDRE are emo, but closer to the "new" sound people think of than to the original sound of Rites of Spring and Still Life (i like still life though). anyway i dunno when SDRE were mainstream really. weezer is still far more wellknown than SDRE in the music media. and what's thought of as "emo" today are bands i guess like NFG and Straylight Run. i get annoyed when people do that but anyway...SDRE to me don't represent the "mainstream"-ing of emo. its hard to show transition because now what everyone says is emo isnt


like i think Blink 182 and NFG are what stupid people refer to as "emo" when it became mainstream. i dunno how SDRE fits in with them


SDRE doesnt remind you of The Promise Ring or Mineral at all?

Many people say that The Promise Ring have nothing to do with the formation of emo.


I dont know what to think anymore.

the definition of emo isnt solid anyway. there are some definite "No"s like when people bring up Senses Fail but then others like SDRE are very close to the division i guess between indie and emo..that sound about right?




but again the point isnt to start fights over emo here. i was just trying to immerse myself further in it

[still_life]

even you said Diary has its post-hardcore moments

Well yeah, post hardcore like Fugazi or Shudder To Think. See you think post hardcore is something like Circle Takes The Square, which is far off.

i know the whole punk-->hardcore--->emo relationship, but i mean to say that i think SDRE are emo, but closer to the "new" sound people think of than to the original sound of Rites of Spring and Still Life (i like still life though). anyway i dunno when SDRE were mainstream really. weezer is still far more wellknown than SDRE in the music media. and what's thought of as "emo" today are bands i guess like NFG and Straylight Run. i get annoyed when people do that but anyway...SDRE to me don't represent the "mainstream"-ing of emo. its hard to show transition because now what everyone says is emo isnt

The newer emo sound is the kind of bands I mentioned earlier. If you say you want to learn about this, then you should be looking to d/l stuff from these bands. That's the only way you can convince yourself of the difference in these genres, by listening to it. SDRE came out of Seattle at a time where that area was all the rage, and they were on Sub Pop. They posed in ads, had billboards, music videos sometimes on MTV, and connections to members of the popular Foo Fighters. They weren't super famous, but they were more known than any real emo band has ever been.

like i think Blink 182 and NFG are what stupid people refer to as "emo" when it became mainstream. i dunno how SDRE fits in with them

No it's usually the Taking Back Sunday and Brand New kind of bands, rather than those ones.

SDRE doesnt remind you of The Promise Ring or Mineral at all?

Of course they do, because all three of those bands are indie rock bands. The Promise Ring has nothing to do with the formation of emo, because I believe they formed in 1995. 11 years too late for that, not to mention they don't even have the sound. There are some elements of emo in early The Promise Ring and Mineral material, but they never made an actual emo song. SDRE never really had those elements.

the definition of emo isnt solid anyway. there are some definite "No"s like when people bring up Senses Fail but then others like SDRE are very close to the division i guess between indie and emo..that sound about right?

SDRE were just about always an indie rock band. Diary had those few post hardcore moments when they would get real dynamic, like Seven and Song About An Angel, but it's pretty much the album that started the whole confusion on what's emo and what's not.

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Well yeah, post hardcore like Fugazi or Shudder To Think. See you think post hardcore is something like Circle Takes The Square, which is far off.



The newer emo sound is the kind of bands I mentioned earlier. If you say you want to learn about this, then you should be looking to d/l stuff from these bands. That's the only way you can convince yourself of the difference in these genres, by listening to it. SDRE came out of Seattle at a time where that area was all the rage, and they were on Sub Pop. They posed in ads, had billboards, music videos sometimes on MTV, and connections to members of the popular Foo Fighters. They weren't super famous, but they were more known than any real emo band has ever been.



No it's usually the Taking Back Sunday and Brand New kind of bands, rather than those ones.



Of course they do, because all three of those bands are indie rock bands. The Promise Ring has nothing to do with the formation of emo, because I believe they formed in 1995. 11 years too late for that, not to mention they don't even have the sound. There are some elements of emo in early The Promise Ring and Mineral material, but they never made an actual emo song. SDRE never really had those elements.



SDRE were just about always an indie rock band. Diary had those few post hardcore moments when they would get real dynamic, like Seven and Song About An Angel, but it's pretty much the album that started the whole confusion on what's emo and what's not.

k thanks..ill sort through all of these mentioned and see if I like it. so far i like Braid, Still life, Appleseed Cast, and Indian Summer

[still_life]

Once again, bands like Braid and The Appleseed Cast fall under indie rock. I think once you start listening to these bands more, you'll realize the difference. Just listen to Julia, Indian Summer, and Policy of 3 albums for starters. Julia's self-entitled full-length is awesome, Indian Summer has a 9 song discography, and Policy of 3 also has a full discography release that you could d/l.

[merv the perv]

If you like Braid and Appleseed Cast, then you'll probably like American Football and Cap'n Jazz.

[LilRyan732]

Wow, I leave this thread with a new found education of emo...
scene points to you all