Those Orange Bracelets

[avitabully]

if you wanted to cure cancer then you should have gone to medical school. if you think that wearing a desperate plea for attention on your wrist is helping anyone you should re-examine what you think youre doing.. the money you will "donate" (its not really a donation because youre really doing it for your own benefit, i.e. you think you look cool / you feel good about yourself) is paltry. $4 from everyone in the world won't stop whatever disease the colored condom tied to your arm was designed to represent. its not a cause, its a trend. its a morbid fashion statement and it draws more attention to how "great" you are than any illness.

You are self-involved. You have a disgusting little need for acceptance. You arent helping cancer, youre helping your social life. And if it wasnt true, then why dont you just donate the money without wearing a fucking price tag around so that everyone can see your tax write off on your forearm. I like jason and i like what he is trying to do. But i hate everyone who wears these things like theyre the next jesus and they just bought my grandmother her 80th birthday.

[Alex Djaferis]

Even if it makes one person out of EVERYONE who buys a bracelet decide to commit their lives to medicine...or at least make them more aware, its worth it. Stop being so negative and so self absorbed at YOUR righteousness and apparent intellect on this matter. You arent saying anything new to anyones ears. Not mine anyway. Im not saying this to piss you off...because my thoughts arnt all too different from yours.
people have to learn it one way or another that this isnt going to do much on the grand scheme of things...but what does these days? the smallest plea for aid can move mountains if done the right way.... and if anything, you are making projects/ideas like this one lose focus by tearing it apart so quickly.

wouldnt it have been better to make this topic in a jovial manner instead of immediately resorting to useless anger!

[when 4ever ends]

You are self-involved. You have a disgusting little need for acceptance. You arent helping cancer, youre helping your social life.
your right, im sure none of that money from the livestrong bracelets didnt help cancer.
that was scarcasm
:headshake

[Brianfarg]

the money you will "donate" (its not really a donation because youre really doing it for your own benefit, i.e. you think you look cool / you feel good about yourself) is paltry. $4 from everyone in the world won't stop whatever disease the colored condom tied to your arm was designed to represent. its not a cause, its a trend. its a morbid fashion statement and it draws more attention to how "great" you are than any illness.

I'm pretty sure any good person who had some extra money lying around would have contributed. And I agree that $4 from everyone wont stop the disease, but it sure isn't helping if we don't give anything. In all honesty, if you don't want to support this--don't. If you want to donate to something else, by all means, do that.

[Lueda Alia]

if you wanted to cure cancer then you should have gone to medical school. if you think that wearing a desperate plea for attention on your wrist is helping anyone you should re-examine what you think youre doing.. the money you will "donate" (its not really a donation because youre really doing it for your own benefit, i.e. you think you look cool / you feel good about yourself) is paltry. $4 from everyone in the world won't stop whatever disease the colored condom tied to your arm was designed to represent. its not a cause, its a trend. its a morbid fashion statement and it draws more attention to how "great" you are than any illness.

You are self-involved. You have a disgusting little need for acceptance. You arent helping cancer, youre helping your social life. And if it wasnt true, then why dont you just donate the money without wearing a fucking price tag around so that everyone can see your tax write off on your forearm. I like jason and i like what he is trying to do. But i hate everyone who wears these things like theyre the next jesus and they just bought my grandmother her 80th birthday.
At least they are donating the money, and THAT IS ALL THAT MATTERS in the end. I don't care how or why these kids are donating this money, and quite frankly I don't care. All I care about is them actually donating the money in whatever way.

[when 4ever ends]

:ditto:

[Signals Corrupted]

dont overanalyze, man. this is a noble cause. we arent expecting to find a cure for cancer with this, but imagine being mcmahon right now, knowing that 800 people have purchased something to show support. it means a lot. dont call it a *trend* there are things out there much more blatantly trendy. haha hell, i wish all trends were this positive.

[Alex Djaferis]

dont overanalyze, man. this is a noble cause. we arent expecting to find a cure for cancer with this, but imagine being mcmahon right now, knowing that 800 people have purchased something to show support. it means a lot. dont call it a *trend* there are things out there much more blatantly trendy. haha hell, i wish all trends were this positive.

well said.

[Spooky]

let's say you're absolutly right and the braceletes do and will continue to do nothing... if they ARE fashion statements, then so what? You don't yell at people for wearing jeans or anythign else, so why braceletes. Plus, even if you don't consider it a donation, it IS still money going to the cause, so thats what really matters. How the money got there isn't going to matter in the end.

[ParisInFlames55]

At least they are donating the money, and THAT IS ALL THAT MATTERS in the end. I don't care how or why these kids are donating this money, and quite frankly I don't care. All I care about is them actually donating the money in whatever way.

fuck yea. she does know all. it has been proven time and time again.

[AShannon04]

At least they are donating the money, and THAT IS ALL THAT MATTERS in the end. I don't care how or why these kids are donating this money, and quite frankly I don't care. All I care about is them actually donating the money in whatever way.

I agree 100%. well said

[aminorthreat55]

I agree with this kid in some ways, but you have to realize his statement applies to maybe 25% of the people who have these and that's about it. I totally agree with Eda and Vince though.

[Dream4Distance]

if you wanted to cure cancer then you should have gone to medical school.

Misconception #1... You really think the medical industry or most of the people involved in it really want to CURE anything? No, that'd be bad for business. Sure, they'll come up with expensive drugs/treatments to keep us on as long as possible but then research grants seem to hit a wall when things start getting close to theoretical cures for most of the big medical problems these days.

My feelings on the rest of the original post were posted in an earlier bracelet thread you can feel free to search for. I'm not going to repeat it here but I will add this: Yes, some people clearly have their priorities mixed up but most mean well and $5 towards a good charity (this is one of a handful that I can actually recommend donating to) is a heck of a lot better than $5 spent on fast food, gas for someone's ridiculous SUV, superficial items or anything else people typically waste money on regularly without a second thought.

You are self-involved.

Everyone is self-involved. Why do you think you started this thread?

You're going to eat yourself up and waste your own time and energy if you keep buying into and perpetuating the myth of the altruistic society and then being disappointed/hateful when people don't live up to something that doesn't exist. Read Ayn Rand's Atlas Shrugged and then get back to me.

[Kid Kilowatt]

http://www.thebestpageintheuniverse.net/c.cgi?u=creeve

[smalltownsburn]

It is a trend, but if kids are gonna spend their money on it to look "cool" and the money's going to a good cause then who cares.

[piebaldkid42]

why dont you go cure cancer then instead of bitching at us for giving someone with a deadly disease money to keep himself alive. i hate people that give money to the sick too. what assholes. i mean the nerve of these people.

[burnburnburn]

http://www.thebestpageintheuniverse.net/c.cgi?u=creeve
I agree 100% with Maddox.

And I agree with Eda.

Personally, I hate the bracelets. I hate the fact that the only reason so many kids are donating money is because of the bracelets. I hate that all the money they donate doesn't go to the foundation they supposedly support. I can't stand that no one cares until some celeb gets it. I hate that so many kids act like Andrew is going to die from this. I mean, yeah, it sucks he has it and all, but he isn't going to die. It sucks that America has come to this level, but you know, money is money. I'm not going to hand some kid back his 5 dollars back just because he bought a bracelet. 3 dollars is 3 dollars. I wish they donated more, but you take what you can get.

[Brianfarg]

http://www.thebestpageintheuniverse.net/c.cgi?u=creeve

I laughed my ass off for hours at a time at that site.

[Kid Kilowatt]

why dont you go cure cancer then instead of bitching at us for giving someone with a deadly disease money to keep himself alive. i hate people that give money to the sick too. what assholes. i mean the nerve of these people.
Well, last time I checked, his life wasn't in serious danger, and let's be honest, the kids buying these bracelets didn't care about cancer until someone famous got it.

[are fkng dead]

if you wanted to cure cancer then you should have gone to medical school. if you think that wearing a desperate plea for attention on your wrist is helping anyone you should re-examine what you think youre doing.. the money you will "donate" (its not really a donation because youre really doing it for your own benefit, i.e. you think you look cool / you feel good about yourself) is paltry. $4 from everyone in the world won't stop whatever disease the colored condom tied to your arm was designed to represent. its not a cause, its a trend. its a morbid fashion statement and it draws more attention to how "great" you are than any illness.

You are self-involved. You have a disgusting little need for acceptance. You arent helping cancer, youre helping your social life. And if it wasnt true, then why dont you just donate the money without wearing a fucking price tag around so that everyone can see your tax write off on your forearm. I like jason and i like what he is trying to do. But i hate everyone who wears these things like theyre the next jesus and they just bought my grandmother her 80th birthday.
You're not intelligent, your statement lacks any legitimate arguments, and you're not being unique by speaking out against something.

Get over yourself.

I do agree that it's awful to suddenly take HUGE interest in something after getting it yourself. Talk about selfish.

[workinclasshero]

if you wanted to cure cancer then you should have gone to medical school. if you think that wearing a desperate plea for attention on your wrist is helping anyone you should re-examine what you think youre doing.. the money you will "donate" (its not really a donation because youre really doing it for your own benefit, i.e. you think you look cool / you feel good about yourself) is paltry. $4 from everyone in the world won't stop whatever disease the colored condom tied to your arm was designed to represent. its not a cause, its a trend. its a morbid fashion statement and it draws more attention to how "great" you are than any illness.

You are self-involved. You have a disgusting little need for acceptance. You arent helping cancer, youre helping your social life. And if it wasnt true, then why dont you just donate the money without wearing a fucking price tag around so that everyone can see your tax write off on your forearm. I like jason and i like what he is trying to do. But i hate everyone who wears these things like theyre the next jesus and they just bought my grandmother her 80th birthday.
Dude, go fuck yourself, I mean honestly. You are taking aim at a charitable event that was brought about by a very talented musician's diagnosis with Leukemia. Sure, $4 doesn't seem like a lot of money but it does add up. It's kind of like when you see a homeless guy on the streets, you give him $5, does that change the fact that he is homeless? No, but anything helps, and besides do you think that everyone is smart enough to get into medical school, or even afford it that wants to cure cancer? You are a jackass, drop your "Woah Is Me" attitude and get a life.

[avitabully]

Who gives $5 to homeless people? They ask for change, dipshit.

Look, i understand that i'm so evil because i hate people who want to help cancer or whatever your feeble minds have contorted my post into. I didn't expect much else. I had read the thing about Christopher Reeve on the maddox site before and I dont see how you can disagree with everything he is saying. That's basically what I'm saying about this.

I feel sorry for McMahon and I think its great what tate is trying to do by helping raise money etc. I'm sure every little bit counts to someone suffering from a disease. But i dont give a shit about that. What i'm talking about is the fact that people are so apathetic that they need this little rubber band thing to do anything worthwhile. MY understanding of our society is that people will always flock to the easiest and most effortless form of charity and still have the nerve to pat themselves on their back like they coded the genome.

I used to work for a non profit organizing blood drives and walks for charity and disaster victims, and I've had my share of disappointments and high hopes deflated. I've come to realize that the majority of people out there will only do something when it has some benefit to them in a real and tactile way. It is no coincidence that more people donate blood when they get a free t shirt. It's disgusting. Why can't people just be good for the sake of being good?

These charming bracelets are the lowest form of self recognition I can tolerate. What a glorious trend! What a stunning achievement! Charitables know exactly what they're doing, and it's working well. I commend them for that. But everytime i see an american with a stupid fucking yellow ribbon magnet on their god damn SUV (i have friends in iraq so shut up) or a pretty light blue prostate cancer wristband i just want to vomit. Not really. I'm being dramatic. But i can't stand these people who allow themselves to be swallowed by this wave of "charity", like they really gave a shit before they had something to wear and show everyone how "charitable" they are.

[smalltownsburn]

Dude, go fuck yourself, I mean honestly. You are taking aim at a charitable event that was brought about by a very talented musician's diagnosis with Leukemia. Sure, $4 doesn't seem like a lot of money but it does add up. It's kind of like when you see a homeless guy on the streets, you give him $5, does that change the fact that he is homeless? No, but anything helps, and besides do you think that everyone is smart enough to get into medical school, or even afford it that wants to cure cancer? You are a jackass, drop your "Woah Is Me" attitude and get a life.
You give money to fucking homeless people? You're just supporting their drug habits.

[Dream4Distance]

I had read the thing about Christopher Reeve on the maddox site before and I dont see how you can disagree with everything he is saying. That's basically what I'm saying about this.

Actually, Maddox's thesis is fundamentally flawed. He presents the case that Reeve was an asshole because he was selfish without defining what he means. The term, while it has negative connotations to those who follow some schools of thought (Marxist, Altruism, etc) isn't inherently a bad thing as many followers of Objectivism will tell you. A better descriptor than selfish for Reeve's attitude/behavior would be rational self-interest (the rational pursuit of one’s long-term interest) which doesn't make one an asshole in my opinion. The truth of the matter is that we do things for ourselves that end up helping others all the time. Necessity is the mother of invention, so on and so forth.

I've never really had a shot at life myself thanks to being chronically ill since HS, so I understand what you're trying to say about it being a sad state of affairs for a celebrity to get sick before people pay attention, but if it weren't for ourselves, someone we knew, or someone we knew of (such as a celebrity) getting sick then we'd never be aware of the problems that nobodies like me have and where would that leave us? It would leave us all blissfully ignorant until the day illness came knocking on our own door and then we'd have nowhere to turn for help/support in our own time of need.

[Jim Morgan]

nothing can be done, in an attempt for a good cause, without someone tearing it down.

can't things be left unquestioned?

[WasteMyTime]

if you wanted to cure cancer then you should have gone to medical school. if you think that wearing a desperate plea for attention on your wrist is helping anyone you should re-examine what you think youre doing.. the money you will "donate" (its not really a donation because youre really doing it for your own benefit, i.e. you think you look cool / you feel good about yourself) is paltry. $4 from everyone in the world won't stop whatever disease the colored condom tied to your arm was designed to represent. its not a cause, its a trend. its a morbid fashion statement and it draws more attention to how "great" you are than any illness.

You are self-involved. You have a disgusting little need for acceptance. You arent helping cancer, youre helping your social life. And if it wasnt true, then why dont you just donate the money without wearing a fucking price tag around so that everyone can see your tax write off on your forearm. I like jason and i like what he is trying to do. But i hate everyone who wears these things like theyre the next jesus and they just bought my grandmother her 80th birthday.
your parents abviously beat you as a child

[Jason Tate]

Well, last time I checked, his life wasn't in serious danger, and let's be honest, the kids buying these bracelets didn't care about cancer until someone famous got it.

I'm trying to figure out how you know this for a fact. I've read countless comments in the orders from people who cared very much about cancer before "someone famous" got it. I don't think now's the time to argue the famous aspect of Andrew - but, he's not as "famous" as you obviously think.

Just a sample from 1 of the hundreds of letters I've gotten:

Jason,
I've been coming to this site for a while now (huge fan of it by the way), and I just have to say the the "I Will Fight" campaign is one of the bravest, most sincere, and most noble thing this site/community could have ever done. The slogan and the song from which it comes is absolutely perfect for the charity, and I think it's amazing of you and everyone here to be involved. I've ordered my first band, but I'm surely going to be ordering more for friends and family. My 9 year old was diagnosed with something similar, and having people support the cause like this brought a smile to her face and tears to her eyes. Seeing this overwhelming response of support and recognition is really making a difference in people's lives. I wanted you to know that and to thank you for it. Again, best thing this side could have ever done.

~Myles!~

-----

So before you go off accusing everyone here as not understanding or doing this for "the right reasons" - make sure you have some facts to back it up. People do care - they now have a way to show the world that they care, how dare you talk down to them. People have cared for years, and you telling them they don't - is bullshit. Life is a trend, you being on this very website is a trend. I am a trend, we are all trends. At least this trend can help someone else. If all you're looking at is the supposed "hidden" motive of people, you're looking at the wrong thing.

And lastly, going through Chemo - is almost as bad as death. How dare you.

[WasteMyTime]

Actually, Maddox's thesis is fundamentally flawed. He presents the case that Reeve was an asshole because he was selfish without defining what he means. The term, while it has negative connotations to those who follow some schools of thought (Marxist, Altruism, etc) isn't inherently a bad thing as many followers of Objectivism will tell you. A better descriptor than selfish for Reeve's attitude/behavior would be rational self-interest (the rational pursuit of one’s long-term interest) which doesn't make one an asshole in my opinion. The truth of the matter is that we do things for ourselves that end up helping others all the time. Necessity is the mother of invention, so on and so forth.

I've never really had a shot at life myself thanks to being chronically ill since HS, so I understand what you're trying to say about it being a sad state of affairs for a celebrity to get sick before people pay attention, but if it weren't for ourselves, someone we knew, or someone we knew of (such as a celebrity) getting sick then we'd never be aware of the problems that nobodies like me have and where would that leave us? It would leave us all blissfully ignorant until the day illness came knocking on our own door and then we'd have nowhere to turn for help/support in our own time of need.
we need u in the education forum

[punkpixie]

I'm trying to figure out how you know this for a fact. I've read countless comments in the orders from people who cared very much about cancer before "someone famous" got it. I don't think now's the time to argue the famous aspect of Andrew - but, he's not as "famous" as you obviously think.

Just a sample:

Jason,
I've been coming to this site for a while now (huge fan of it by the way), and I just have to say the the "I Will Fight" campaign is one of the bravest, most sincere, and most noble thing this site/community could have ever done. The slogan and the song from which it comes is absolutely perfect for the charity, and I think it's amazing of you and everyone here to be involved. I've ordered my first band, but I'm surely going to be ordering more for friends and family. My 9 year old was diagnosed with something similar, and having people support the cause like this brought a smile to her face and tears to her eyes. Seeing this overwhelming response of support and recognition is really making a difference in people's lives. I wanted you to know that and to thank you for it. Again, best thing this side could have ever done.

~Myles!~

-----

So before you go off accusing everyone here as not understanding or doing this for "the right reasons" - make sure you have some facts to back it up. People do care - they now have a way to show the world that they care, how dare you talk down to them. Life is a trend, you being on this very website is a trend. I am a trend, we are all trends. At least this trend can help someone else. If all you're looking at is the supposed "hidden" motive of people, you're looking at the wrong thing.

And lastly, going through Chemo - is almost as bad as death. How dare you.

Go Team Tate!

[a typicalcliche]

Go Team Tate!
eh

[WasteMyTime]

eh
I concur

[Jason Tate]

:dweeba21:

[a typicalcliche]

:dweeba21:
:dweeba21:

[WasteMyTime]

:dweeba21:
***s

[Jason Tate]

"swing life away .. "

[Sean McGeezer]

At first I was like, "These bracelets are a fucking stupid fad" and then I found out what they were for, and they're still a fucking stupid fad but I think it's cool even if half the people wearing them don't know what it's for.

[WasteMyTime]

At first I was like, "These bracelets are a fucking stupid fad" and then I found out what they were for, and they're still a fucking stupid fad but I think it's cool even if half the people wearing them don't know what it's for.
a fad with a purpose

[gonzogrover]

Tate, THANK YOU for this, I've bought a band and donated money to the American Cancer Society before, mainly due to the loss of family members because of cancer. Any foundation or cause that is started to try to rid the world of this awful disease is an incredible cause.

ps -- I hope the idiot who started this thread gets hit by a train

[WasteMyTime]

I dunno why Matt Freeman didn't get this sorta attention though...

[shane hennessey]

I dunno why Matt Freeman didn't get this sorta attention though...
i concur (if thats the drummer from bleed the dream). its still a great thing that you are doing though. my band was suppose to play with jacks mannequin and wakefield, it was the first date he cancelled, he was sick the night before and cancelled the hartford date. it would have been a great show, sold out and we were the only opener. ill buy a band once i get my debit card, which should be soon

[WasteMyTime]

haha no, Matt Freeman is the bassist from Rancid/Operation Ivy...he has lung cancer

[Jason Tate]

I dunno why Matt Freeman didn't get this sorta attention though...

For a few reasons:

1) I hadn't thought of the idea yet. I hadn't even thought of using AP for charity/non-profit before. Now that the seeds have been planted, I hope to create a non-profit division of the website purely for charities, helping bands, etc. I think that many musicians don't have health insurance, and this may be something we can help with in the future.

2) Let's be honest, the demographics of our user base limit us to some extent. I don't think the intial investment would have sold, and I would probably have been stuck with the loss. I could be wrong however, which is why I want to see what we can really do. The youth movement is a powerful thing, and if we can help mobilize it - I would be so proud.

3) No one else had thought of it yet either. No other website (even those whose readers are more keen to who Matt Freeman even is..) did anything that I saw. I hope what we've started here does become a trend to some extent ... I would LOVE to see other websites get more actively involved in seeing just what the "masses of punks" are capable of doing.

[Jim Morgan]

lung cancer has a campaign too.

Anti-Smoking.

[WasteMyTime]

no I know what you mean...from a personal pov I woulda done this for matt freeman but you're right...most of the users on here probably don't even know who matt freeman is...but SoCo and JM are huge huge bands in the emo scene and it just makes the most sense. This site is at the top when it comes to ezines so maybe the idea will trickle down.

[Jason Tate]

This site is at the top when it comes to ezines so maybe the idea will trickle down

We can only hope.

[WasteMyTime]

lung cancer has a campaign too.

Anti-Smoking.
I really like those new truth commercials...I'm so sad

[shane hennessey]

haha no, Matt Freeman is the bassist from Rancid/Operation Ivy...he has lung cancer
haha oh yeah. well same thing goes for the guy from bleed the dream

[WasteMyTime]

We can only hope.
well I mean, I didn't read the whole mission statement but maybe you can extend to include Matt Freeman, the drummer from bleed the dream to just spread the word...I mean, cancer will take away anyone and sometimes it just seems that this is for one guy (Andrew)...I don't see how including the other guys would hurt this process in any way

[Jim Morgan]

I really like those new truth commercials...I'm so sad

sarcasm?

I'm glad he had surgery and he should be alright, but this goes for countless of smokers who get cancer from it. My godfather died from Lung Cancer at 52 years old. Watching that, I refuse to smoke and start a habit like that. People should really be aware, and watch their surroundings in the world, and the consequences from it.

[WasteMyTime]

sarcasm?

I'm glad he had surgery and he should be alright, but this goes for countless of smokers who get cancer from it. My godfather died from Lung Cancer at 52 years old. Watching that, I refuse to smoke and start a habit like that. People should really be aware, and watch their surroundings in the world, and the consequences from it.
wow 52 is REALLY young, sorry to hear that bro. No I really do like how they do it...the way the cigarette conglomerates think is just hilarious in a pathetic kinda way and hopefully kids will start getting that message. I've always been against smoking and I'll stand by that...

[Jason Tate]

wow 52 is REALLY young, sorry to hear that bro. No I really do like how they do it...the way the cigarette conglomerates think is just hilarious in a pathetic kinda way and hopefully kids will start getting that message. I've always been against smoking and I'll stand by that...
Can you help me spear head that campaign? If we can find a way to get in contact with Matt, maybe find something to do ... a way to donate, I doubt he'd want bracelets .. but maybe there is something else we can do. Lemme know, I'm down to use the AP name to help ! :)

[duffe]

Can you help me spear head that campaign? If we can find a way to get in contact with Matt, maybe find something to do ... a way to donate, I doubt he'd want bracelets .. but maybe there is something else we can do. Lemme know, I'm down to use the AP name to help ! :)
that's a good idea.

[ebullientsoul]

This site is at the top when it comes to ezines.

Let's just say I disagree, but I'm all for money being raised to find cures to cancer.

[catchmealone]

Misconception #1... You really think the medical industry or most of the people involved in it really want to CURE anything? No, that'd be bad for business. Sure, they'll come up with expensive drugs/treatments to keep us on as long as possible but then research grants seem to hit a wall when things start getting close to theoretical cures for most of the big medical problems these days.

I don't really agree with this. Imagine this scenario

Scientist Frank Jones(made up scientist) works for a Major Pharmacutical Co. He makes good money. One day, he comes across the cure for cancer. However, the company does not publish the cure in order to keep people paying them lots of money to prolong their cancer filled life.

Now, if the cure was made known, millions of lives would be saved. Frank Jones would NO DOUBT because world famous and richer than he could imagine.

I can't imagine a company finding a cure for a deadly, deadly disease and not publishing it. The company would skyrocket as well.

[Dream4Distance]

we need u in the education forum

Haha, I posted to your anagram thread in the Education forum now... I didn't even realize there was one. Education has become a sham for the most part in the US. All I got from college was a social life while it lasted. Real education is up to the individual and I for one profess everyone just use a bit of common sense on a regular basis and we'd be so much better off. Maybe I will start perusing the Education forum though, thanks.

d4d

I don't really agree with this. Imagine this scenario

Scientist Frank Jones(made up scientist) works for a Major Pharmacutical Co. He makes good money. One day, he comes across the cure for cancer. However, the company does not publish the cure in order to keep people paying them lots of money to prolong their cancer filled life.

Now, if the cure was made known, millions of lives would be saved. Frank Jones would NO DOUBT because world famous and richer than he could imagine.

I can't imagine a company finding a cure for a deadly, deadly disease and not publishing it. The company would skyrocket as well.


The problem is that Mr. Jones wouldn't be working on a cure for anything working at a major pharmaceutical company. Scientists working on these problems and solutions are mostly at research insitutions that have grants from the government (who is in bed with big business like Pharm companies) or much more often people funded by pharmaceutical companies themselves. The studies conducted are extremely costly and extremely narrow in nature... the source of the money dictates exactly what the researchers are studying/researching. So the chance of someone happening across a cure for cancer or any other major problem when not specifically researching it is incredibly slim, though possible. My point is though that people aren't being funded to find cures in the first place like they should be. With Lyme Disease for example we know what causes it, the dna of it, how to get rid of the active form of it, and the protein it encases itself in when it hides in the body so we can't totally get rid of it.... BUT, now that we've gotten that far, instead of funding studies of things that could get through that protein and theoretically cure the disease they're throwing all sorts of money into linking the disease to other problems which wouldn't matter so much if we could just cure it, heh.

d4d

[avitabully]

Tate, THANK YOU for this, I've bought a band and donated money to the American Cancer Society before, mainly due to the loss of family members because of cancer. Any foundation or cause that is started to try to rid the world of this awful disease is an incredible cause.

ps -- I hope the idiot who started this thread gets hit by a train

haha thats pretty fucked. i dont think im an idiot because i have a different opinion but if thats how you wanna peg me that's fine.

i wrote the word GRANOLA on a light purple (is that color taken?) rubber band this morning and have been wearing it ever since. Granola helps you maintain a healthy heart, so from now on i am going to promote it. I hope it catches on. I want to be part of a trend, because as my good friend told me a few posts back, Life is a trend. Being on this very website is a trend. Therefore, I may as well succumb to the unoriginality and blandness that is my human life. I'm so punk

[workinclasshero]

haha thats pretty fucked. i dont think im an idiot because i have a different opinion but if thats how you wanna peg me that's fine.

i wrote the word GRANOLA on a light purple (is that color taken?) rubber band this morning and have been wearing it ever since. Granola helps you maintain a healthy heart, so from now on i am going to promote it. I hope it catches on. I want to be part of a trend, because as my good friend told me a few posts back, Life is a trend. Being on this very website is a trend. Therefore, I may as well succumb to the unoriginality and blandness that is my human life. I'm so punk
I hear suicide is a trend, you should try!

[Kid Kilowatt]

I'm trying to figure out how you know this for a fact. I've read countless comments in the orders from people who cared very much about cancer before "someone famous" got it. I don't think now's the time to argue the famous aspect of Andrew - but, he's not as "famous" as you obviously think.

Just a sample from 1 of the hundreds of letters I've gotten:

Jason,
I've been coming to this site for a while now (huge fan of it by the way), and I just have to say the the "I Will Fight" campaign is one of the bravest, most sincere, and most noble thing this site/community could have ever done. The slogan and the song from which it comes is absolutely perfect for the charity, and I think it's amazing of you and everyone here to be involved. I've ordered my first band, but I'm surely going to be ordering more for friends and family. My 9 year old was diagnosed with something similar, and having people support the cause like this brought a smile to her face and tears to her eyes. Seeing this overwhelming response of support and recognition is really making a difference in people's lives. I wanted you to know that and to thank you for it. Again, best thing this side could have ever done.

~Myles!~

-----

So before you go off accusing everyone here as not understanding or doing this for "the right reasons" - make sure you have some facts to back it up. People do care - they now have a way to show the world that they care, how dare you talk down to them. People have cared for years, and you telling them they don't - is bullshit. Life is a trend, you being on this very website is a trend. I am a trend, we are all trends. At least this trend can help someone else. If all you're looking at is the supposed "hidden" motive of people, you're looking at the wrong thing.

And lastly, going through Chemo - is almost as bad as death. How dare you.
I dare talk down to them because there have been people suffering for years from this, and they've not cared. All they've been to them is a statistic, or report on the news to which they changed the channel because it didn't affect them. They're only aware because their favorite musician got it, and when it is over, when his treatment is done, they'll stop their crusade, and go back to thinking as they did before it happened to them. It's similar to AIDS in the 80's. People didn't care until celebrities like Rock Hudson got it. The feeling is deceptive at best, it's fraudulent at worst.
You're right about one thing, though:

This is a trend that will end, along with the support of the fight against leukemia by these kids you hold up in such esteem.

[AshesAshes]

I dare talk down to them because there have been people suffering for years from this, and they've not cared. All they've been to them is a statistic, or report on the news to which they changed the channel because it didn't affect them. They're only aware because their favorite musician got it, and when it is over, when his treatment is done, they'll stop their crusade, and go back to thinking as they did before it happened to them. It's similar to AIDS in the 80's. People didn't care until celebrities like Rock Hudson got it. The feeling is deceptive at best, it's fraudulent at worst.
You're right about one thing, though:

This is a trend that will end, along with the support of the fight against leukemia by these kids you hold up in such esteem.
Aids also got big when freddy mercury got it also if im correct..and magic johnson.

[aminorthreat55]

Aids also got big when freddy mercury got it also if i recall correctly.
Arthur Ashe

[AshesAshes]

Arthur Ashe
aw

[aminorthreat55]

aw
???

[workinclasshero]

Arthur Ashe
you've got it, that was like the first case that was publicly announced

[aminorthreat55]

you've got it, that was like the first case that was publicly announced
I read his autobiography. :thumbsup: Such a great man.

[AshesAshes]

???
aw as in aw okay im stupid

[Jason Tate]

and they've not cared

Until you tell me how you know they don't care and havent cared "for years" ... you have no case.

This is a trend that will end, along with the support of the fight against leukemia by these kids you hold up in such esteem.

I'll put my optomistic faith in kids any day before I'll let some petty little man like yourself ruin this world with apathy.

[AshesAshes]

You called him petty!oh snap

[workinclasshero]

the kids buying these bracelets didn't care about cancer until someone famous got it.
who are you to pass that judgment?

[Lueda Alia]

I stand by my first post. It doesn't matter that they didn't care before. They do now. And I don't care for how long they'll care. THEY CARE NOW. And that is all that matters.

Yes, it's pretty sad that a lot of people don't donate more often but now they are and that is all that matters. Seriously, I just don't understand why you guys are being so negative about this. Can't you just be happy that they're at least donating now? That's better than not donating at all, isn't it? I think it is, but hey that's just me.

[aminorthreat55]

Eda . . . :smlove2:

[workinclasshero]

I stand by my first post. It doesn't matter that they didn't care before. They do now. And I don't care for how long they'll care. THEY CARE NOW. And that is all that matters.

Yes, it's pretty sad that a lot of people don't donate more often but now they are and that is all that matters. Seriously, I just don't understand why you guys are being so negative about this. Can't you just be happy that they're at least donating now? That's better than not donating at all, isn't it? I think it is, but hey that's just me.
I agree 100%

[AshesAshes]

Eda . . . :smlove2:
Word

[FallingOut]

I am planning on getting on ordering a bracelet with my money simply for the fact that Andrew Mcmahon has supplied me with some amazing songs and live performances over the past few years, and he was incredibly nice the two times that I got to meet and talk to him. I really dont care about the bracelet honestly, Ive never felt the need to join that trend. Also, I know my $5 wont really help cure the disease, but isnt a little bit more than none? I just want to take the opportunity to help an incredibly nice and talented musician because I dont think its too much to ask.

[Kid Kilowatt]

Until you tell me how you know they don't care and havent cared "for years" ... you have no case.



I'll put my optomistic faith in kids any day before I'll let some petty little man like yourself ruin this world with apathy.
Explain to me how you know they have cared. You put forth the statement that you've received hundreds of letters. Do those account for all the people expressing support for him? If it does, then I'll be silent on the matter, however, if it does not, then, yes, I do have a case.
If you mistake my distrust of their feelings as apathy, then you're wrong. I dislike them because I don't see their feelings as genuine. It seems as though this isn't about fighting leukemia for them, as it is for others who've experienced it, it's about a rock star.
As for what Eda was saying, they'd earn my respect if this wasn't a passing trend, if they stuck with it, however, I seriously doubt that many of the kids will continue this fight after Andrew is well, and this all blows over. Call me a pessimist if you desire to do so, but I interact with these kids, and they've not shown me any characteristics which would say otherwise.

[workinclasshero]

Explain to me how you know they have cared. .
Explain to me how you know that they haven't douche?

[Kid Kilowatt]

Explain to me how you know that they haven't douche?
It's the American mentality not to care until something happens to you.

Example:

9-11 and stopping terrorism.

Now, you could say, "Oh, well, you're making a blanket statement about these kids. You don't know if they've cared or not", but if you go back and look at my post, I said "vast majority", which indicates there is a minority that did care.

[workinclasshero]

It's the American mentality not to care until something happens to you.
Example:

9-11 and stopping terrorism.
You are a fucking idiot, mostly every single person that posts on this site has probably had a family member or a friend that has had some form of cancer. It's pretty much a given. So to sit there and say that no one cared about cancer before some musician who most of us have not even met got cancer is an outrage, not to mention a complete falsehood.

[Lueda Alia]

Explain to me how you know they have cared. You put forth the statement that you've received hundreds of letters. Do those account for all the people expressing support for him? If it does, then I'll be silent on the matter, however, if it does not, then, yes, I do have a case.
If you mistake my distrust of their feelings as apathy, then you're wrong. I dislike them because I don't see their feelings as genuine. It seems as though this isn't about fighting leukemia for them, as it is for others who've experienced it, it's about a rock star.
As for what Eda was saying, they'd earn my respect if this wasn't a passing trend, if they stuck with it, however, I seriously doubt that many of the kids will continue this fight after Andrew is well, and this all blows over. Call me a pessimist if you desire to do so, but I interact with these kids, and they've not shown me any characteristics which would say otherwise.
But they care RIGHT NOW. Doesn't that matter at all?

[AshesAshes]

But they care RIGHT NOW. Doesn't that matter at all?
Im with you on all this eda but isnt that like saying they just care about andrew than cause they care right now?which i mean is good and all cause andrew is awesome.

[Lueda Alia]

Im with you on all this eda but isnt that like saying they just care about andrew than cause they care right now?which i mean is good and all cause andrew is awesome.
no, it's not the same. I don't care if these kids are caring because of Andrew only. Fact of the matter is, the money isn't going to Andrew, it's going somewhere else; where it's needed. These kids know that. They know that they're not donating the money to ANDREW personally, but they're still donating. And as I said before, I seriously couldn't care less why they donate the money. AS LONG AS THEY DONATE IT. And I don't care if they haven't donated it before or if they won't keep donating, what I care about is the fact that they are donating right now and that is better than nothing.

But ok... would some people rather have these kids not donate at all? Because donating money only once one of their favourite musicians is affected is such a huge crime. Come on now. And I think everyone would be lying if they deny the fact that sometimes they get motivated to do something only once someone they care for gets affected. It's just how it is. When something hits home to you, it sorta wakes you up and it makes you want to help in whatever way you can.

[aminorthreat55]

Hey Eda, I have a quick question.

[Lueda Alia]

Hey Eda, I have a quick question.
shoot!

[aminorthreat55]

Why are you always right?

[AshesAshes]

no, it's not the same. I don't care if these kids are caring because of Andrew only. Fact of the matter is, the money isn't going to Andrew, it's going somewhere else; where it's needed. These kids know that. They know that they're not donating the money to ANDREW personally, but they're still donating. And as I said before, I seriously couldn't care less why they donate the money. AS LONG AS THEY DONATE IT. And I don't care if they haven't donated it before or if they won't keep donating, what I care about is the fact that they are donating right now and that is better than nothing.

But ok... would some people rather have these kids not donate at all? Because donating money only once one of their favourite musicians is affected is such a huge crime. Come on now. And I think everyone would be lying if they denied that sometimes they get motivated to do something only once someone they care for gets affected. It's just how it is. When something hits home to you, it sorta wakes you up and it makes you want to help in whatever way you can.
Good point i didnt know it was going somewhere else i thought it was gong to andrew to help pay for his medical bills.

[WasteMyTime]

I <3 Eda more than anyone else, even you pete

[Lueda Alia]

Why are you always right?
It's because I'm Albanian. ;)

[aminorthreat55]

I <3 Eda more than anyone else, even you pete
Threesome?

It's because I'm Albanian. ;)
Ahh, that must be it.

[Lueda Alia]

Good point i didnt know it was going somewhere else i thought it was gong to andrew to help pay for his medical bills.
Nope, none of the money is going to Andrew. He's paying for everything himself. Which is why I don't understand why people are so negative about this whole thing. Can't you just appreciate the fact that these people are donating right now?

I <3 Eda more than anyone else, even you pete
:love:

Threesome?


Ahh, that must be it.
cough... cough.

[WasteMyTime]

Nope, none of the money is going to Andrew. He's paying for everything himself. Which is why I don't understand why people are so negative about this whole thing. Can't you just appreciate the fact that these people are donating right now?


:love:


cough... cough.
http://www.absolutepunk.net/index.php?sub=andrew

"Where's the money going?

All of the profits from the bands (3 dollars per band) will be donated to Andrew's charity of choice, the Pediatric Cancer Research Foundation."

Threesome?


Ahh, that must be it.
if by threesome you mean me eda and eda...then I'm totally up for it

It's because I'm Albanian. ;)
Albanian chicks know how to work it

[Kid Kilowatt]

You are a fucking idiot, mostly every single person that posts on this site has probably had a family member or a friend that has had some form of cancer. It's pretty much a given. So to sit there and say that no one cared about cancer before some musician who most of us have not even met got cancer is an outrage, not to mention a complete falsehood.
You're presupposing that meeting someone with cancer causes them to care. In all likelihood it does not. It's similar to when you read about rape, or hear about it on the news, and say, "Oh that's sad" and change the channel.
Now, I am quite sure that some people have had dealings with this disease, as I've expressed, however, the vast majority of kids who are fighting for leukemia now, didn't care until Andrew of Something Corporate got it. You can call it a falsehood, but it is a situation prevalent in the American consciousness.

[Lueda Alia]

You're presupposing that meeting someone with cancer causes them to care. In all likelihood it does not. It's similar to when you read about rape, or hear about it on the news, and say, "Oh that's sad" and change the channel.
Now, I am quite sure that some people have had dealings with this disease, as I've expressed, however, the vast majority of kids who are fighting for leukemia now, didn't care until Andrew of Something Corporate got it. You can call it a falsehood, but it is a situation prevalent in the American consciousness.
As I said, it's pretty bad that a lot of people didn't care before, but isn't caring now better than not caring at all?

[Kid Kilowatt]

But they care RIGHT NOW. Doesn't that matter at all?
Don't you think that it matters whether or not three years from now the support for leukemia continues, and is not trivialised? The feeling is, with a lot of people at least, when one becomes better, the person they care about in this case, the fight is over.

By the way, bitches, Eda is taking me to Albania. Ha.

[Lueda Alia]

Don't you think that it matters whether or not three years from now the support for leukemia continues, and is not trivialised? The feeling is, with a lot of people at least, when one becomes better, the person they care about in this case, the fight is over.

By the way, bitches, Eda is taking me to Albania. Ha.
Of course I think that matters. You know I agree with you, but I am asking you, isn't this better than doing nothing at all?

And yes I am. :love:

[workinclasshero]

http://www.hartfordmarathon.com/GHM/Charity.htm
http://www.whenvironments.ca/rwr05/raising-funds.html
http://www.stopcancer.org/
http://www.nationalbreastcancer.org/news_releases/
There are 4 other fund raisers to prevent cancer.

[WasteMyTime]

Of course I think that matters. You know I agree with you, but I am asking you, isn't this better than doing nothing at all?

And yes I am. :love:
dude, your thing says you've been idle for ten hours..haha

[workinclasshero]

Were you bitching when "A Santa Cause" came out?
It's a common fact that raising money through entertainment, for whatever purpose, is a very valuable procedure.

[Kid Kilowatt]

Of course I think that matters. You know I agree with you, but I am asking you, isn't this better than doing nothing at all?

And yes I am. :love:
It depends on how you look at it. In the short term, yes, you could make the argument that this is a good thing. In the long term, which is what I'm concerned about, I don't think it is.

Albania will be the first stop on our dance tour.

http://www.hartfordmarathon.com/GHM/Charity.htm
http://www.whenvironments.ca/rwr05/raising-funds.html
http://www.stopcancer.org/
http://www.nationalbreastcancer.org/news_releases/
There are 4 other fund raisers to prevent cancer.
Were those started by members of this board?

Were you bitching when "A Santa Cause" came out?
It's a common fact that raising money through entertainment, for whatever purpose, is a very valuable procedure.
I only "bitch" when people put forth fraudulent feelings.

[workinclasshero]

It depends on how you look at it. In the short term, yes, you could make the argument that this is a good thing. In the long term, which is what I'm concerned about, I don't think it is.

Albania will be the first stop on our dance tour.


Were those started by members of this board?
were you not criticizing the american people as a whole?

[Ryan Mills]

if you wanted to cure cancer then you should have gone to medical school. if you think that wearing a desperate plea for attention on your wrist is helping anyone you should re-examine what you think youre doing.. the money you will "donate" (its not really a donation because youre really doing it for your own benefit, i.e. you think you look cool / you feel good about yourself) is paltry. $4 from everyone in the world won't stop whatever disease the colored condom tied to your arm was designed to represent. its not a cause, its a trend. its a morbid fashion statement and it draws more attention to how "great" you are than any illness.

You are self-involved. You have a disgusting little need for acceptance. You arent helping cancer, youre helping your social life. And if it wasnt true, then why dont you just donate the money without wearing a fucking price tag around so that everyone can see your tax write off on your forearm. I like jason and i like what he is trying to do. But i hate everyone who wears these things like theyre the next jesus and they just bought my grandmother her 80th birthday.

Although I'd tend to agree with you in regards to the people who wear them strictly for fashion (and I've seen plenty who do so), I'll have to say you're an idiot for making such a blanket statement. As a cancer survivor myself (yes, me) I have a Live Strong bracelet that I wear from time to time, and if someone tried to tell me what you just did, I'd knock them out. And for the record, I am going to med school, and oncology is one of the two things that interest me most. Try not to make such dumb blanket statements.

[Lueda Alia]

dude, your thing says you've been idle for ten hours..haha
I'm on my mom's lappy that's why! I'm not using my computer. :animateds

[Kid Kilowatt]

were you not criticizing the american people as a whole?
For this issue, I was speaking in terms of the board. But, I see that you're trying to say that the majority of Americans belong to, or have contributed to, those charities, which would be a complete falsehood.

[Lueda Alia]

It depends on how you look at it. In the short term, yes, you could make the argument that this is a good thing. In the long term, which is what I'm concerned about, I don't think it is.

Albania will be the first stop on our dance tour.


Were those started by members of this board?


I only "bitch" when people put forth fraudulent feelings.
Exactly.. it's a good thing and that's all that matters.

And oh yes... that would be amazing. We have nice dance music.. and we just looove to dance. ;)

[Kid Kilowatt]

Exactly.. it's a good thing and that's all that matters.

And oh yes... that would be amazing. We have nice dance music.. and we just looove to dance. ;)
It's only a good thing if you're interested in the short term. When you're dealing with cancer, you can't think in short term.

Albanian dance music, eh? Hopefully, it causes a lot of booty shaking. Ha.

[aminorthreat55]

Although I'd tend to agree with you in regards to the people who wear them strictly for fashion (and I've seen plenty who do so), I'll have to say you're an idiot for making such a blanket statement. As a cancer survivor myself (yes, me) I have a Live Strong bracelet that I wear from time to time, and if someone tried to tell me what you just did, I'd knock them out. And for the record, I am going to med school, and oncology is one of the two things that interest me most. Try not to make such dumb blanket statements.
Dude, you had cancer? That's almost as unbelievable as the fact that you've posted in the general forum three days in a row.

[Ryan Mills]

Dude, you had cancer? That's almost as unbelievable as the fact that you've posted in the general forum three days in a row.

Yeah, I know, I'm starting to check them more often now.

[workinclasshero]

Although I'd tend to agree with you in regards to the people who wear them strictly for fashion (and I've seen plenty who do so), I'll have to say you're an idiot for making such a blanket statement. As a cancer survivor myself (yes, me) I have a Live Strong bracelet that I wear from time to time, and if someone tried to tell me what you just did, I'd knock them out. And for the record, I am going to med school, and oncology is one of the two things that interest me most. Try not to make such dumb blanket statements.
There is a lot to be said about someone who has survived cancer. You have a lot more strength than I do.

[aminorthreat55]

Yeah, I know, I'm starting to check them more often now.
So what was the deal with you and cancer? If you don't mind me asking. If you don't want to talk about it I totally respect that too.

[Ryan Mills]

So what was the deal with you and cancer? If you don't mind me asking. If you don't want to talk about it I totally respect that too.

I had nephroblastoma (Wilm's) when I was a kid. They found it fairly early and they removed my left kidney. I had chemotherapy for a while, and had many check-ups for a long time after that, but I'm basically fine now.

[Jason Tate]

You're presupposing that meeting someone with cancer causes them to care. In all likelihood it does not. It's similar to when you read about rape, or hear about it on the news, and say, "Oh that's sad" and change the channel.
Now, I am quite sure that some people have had dealings with this disease, as I've expressed, however, the vast majority of kids who are fighting for leukemia now, didn't care until Andrew of Something Corporate got it. You can call it a falsehood, but it is a situation prevalent in the American consciousness.

It's called exposure. It takes something to expose someone to the disease, to the cause, to the fight. Whether it be a personal experience with a family member, or a website, or reading about it in the newspaper - people can't believe in causes they've never heard of. By your argument, the only way someone should be able to "care" is if they spontaniously thought up the idea of the disease and helping by some weird spur of the moment telepathy thing. That makes absolutely no sense.

Bottom line: if what we're doing can make the life of one child, for one hour, better - it's worth all of it.

[Kid Kilowatt]

It's called exposure. It takes something to expose someone to the disease, to the cause, to the fight. Whether it be a personal experience with a family member, or a website, or reading about it in the newspaper - people can't believe in causes they've never heard of. By your argument, the only way someone should be able to "care" is if they spontaniously thought up the idea of the disease and helping by some weird spur of the moment telepathy thing. That makes absolutely no sense.
How would you feel if I said this to you:

"Listen, I heard your mom died from cancer, and I really couldn't care less, because it doesn't affect me.", then a few days later after it is revealed Brad Pitt has cancer, I go up to you and say, "Isn't cancer terrible? Poor Brad Pitt"

[R7265ab]

if you wanted to cure cancer then you should have gone to medical school. if you think that wearing a desperate plea for attention on your wrist is helping anyone you should re-examine what you think youre doing.. the money you will "donate" (its not really a donation because youre really doing it for your own benefit, i.e. you think you look cool / you feel good about yourself) is paltry. $4 from everyone in the world won't stop whatever disease the colored condom tied to your arm was designed to represent. its not a cause, its a trend. its a morbid fashion statement and it draws more attention to how "great" you are than any illness.

You are self-involved. You have a disgusting little need for acceptance. You arent helping cancer, youre helping your social life. And if it wasnt true, then why dont you just donate the money without wearing a fucking price tag around so that everyone can see your tax write off on your forearm. I like jason and i like what he is trying to do. But i hate everyone who wears these things like theyre the next jesus and they just bought my grandmother her 80th birthday.
fucking asshole

[theESCO]

Could you imagine the shit storm if someone knocked the "support our troops" magnets like this?

[afk999]

i dont like the whole bracelet trend

[theESCO]

Well, last time I checked, his life wasn't in serious danger, and let's be honest, the kids buying these bracelets didn't care about cancer until someone famous got it.

Or when my mom got it...or when my friends mom died from it May 23rd. But yea, I'm just in it for the cool bracelets I get to wear.

[avitabully]

Could you imagine the shit storm if someone knocked the "support our troops" magnets like this?

HAHAHA oh i hate these bracelets quite a bit but they are nothing compared to how much I hate the support our troops magnets. At least the proceeds of the bracelets go to support research. Tell me you're kidding ...

Let's go buy a magnet at the gas station, slap it on our oil consuming car, drive around poisoning the environment and looking like a total jackass saying "I support our troops!" like someone out there doesnt. Fuck off.

I sold my car and ride a bike everywhere to conserve gas, and I support my troops by emailing my friends who are over in Iraq. I'd cover my body in fucking cancer bracelets for the rest of my life if it meant i didnt have to see another yellow ribbon magnet ever again

[AShannon04]

I sold my car and ride a bike everywhere to conserve gas
I hope you realize how stupid that was

[Broken4EverMore]

Just because we are supporting Andrew and are buying these bands to support him and the fight for leukemia means nothing about how long we have cared. My cousin ,who is a year younger than me (19), has had leukemia for about the past year now, his chemo didn't work and now he is on radiation which we can only pray helps. So I've had previous run-ins with cancer not only with him but with other friends and family (as is probably true with almost everyone on this board). I've cared about it as long as i can remember and am going to Purdue for Biology to hopefully do research against cancer. The thing with celebrities is that people still care when its an average person, but i don't think that 800+ people would buy bands against it just for the normal person. When a celebrity gets sick its MUCH MUCH more spread over the news, internet etc. Thats why it may seem that people care more about a celebrity than regular people but in all reality its just the fact that their condition is know of bye MANY more people than your average Joe. Therefore, charities are started and people donate not just for the celebrity who is sick but also for all of the people they know/have known that had the disease. Thats just my .2 and i think its a great way to show support, not just for Andrew, but for anyone you know or have known that suffers from this hellish disease.

[Kid Kilowatt]

Or when my mom got it...or when my friends mom died from it May 23rd. But yea, I'm just in it for the cool bracelets I get to wear.
If you're trying to make me feel bad for my statements, it's not going to happen, as they do hold weight.

You'd do well to read, and understand what I've been talking about.

Just because we are supporting Andrew and are buying these bands to support him and the fight for leukemia means nothing about how long we have cared. My cousin ,who is a year younger than me (19), has had leukemia for about the past year now, his chemo didn't work and now he is on radiation which we can only pray helps. So I've had previous run-ins with cancer not only with him but with other friends and family (as is probably true with almost everyone on this board). I've cared about it as long as i can remember and am going to Purdue for Biology to hopefully do research against cancer. The thing with celebrities is that people still care when its an average person, but i don't think that 800+ people would buy bands against it just for the normal person. When a celebrity gets sick its MUCH MUCH more spread over the news, internet etc. Thats why it may seem that people care more about a celebrity than regular people but in all reality its just the fact that their condition is know of bye MANY more people than your average Joe. Therefore, charities are started and people donate not just for the celebrity who is sick but also for all of the people they know/have known that had the disease. Thats just my .2 and i think its a great way to show support, not just for Andrew, but for anyone you know or have known that suffers from this hellish disease.]YYou're the minority.

[Rohan Kohli]

http://www.thebestpageintheuniverse.net/c.cgi?u=creeve

I don't even know where to begin.

[Kid Kilowatt]

I don't even know where to begin.
Begin somewhere. This could be fun. Ha.

[workinclasshero]

How would you feel if I said this to you:

"Listen, I heard your mom died from cancer, and I really couldn't care less, because it doesn't affect me.", then a few days later after it is revealed Brad Pitt has cancer, I go up to you and say, "Isn't cancer terrible? Poor Brad Pitt"
I don't know what kind of person you are, but why would you think people are more infatuated with celebrities' (if you will) lives than those of our friends? That's a ridiculous claim, and I don't know how things work in your world but I don't judge people without knowing them. That is exactly what you've done in the entirety of this thread. You don't know dick about how the other people on this site think or feel unless you have met them or talked to them one on one. So go live in your "The world sucks so bad" life and have a blast. I'll wear my orange band for you.

[Kid Kilowatt]

I don't know what kind of person you are, but why would you think people are more infatuated with celebrities' (if you will) lives than those of our friends? That's a ridiculous claim, and I don't know how things work in your world but I don't judge people without knowing them. That is exactly what you've done in the entirety of this thread. You don't know dick about how the other people on this site think or feel unless you have met them or talked to them one on one. So go live in your "The world sucks so bad" life and have a blast. I'll wear my orange band for you.
I'm going to ask you to look into "Hooked On Phonics". When you can understand what people are talking about, then you can enter the debate.

[workinclasshero]

I'm going to ask you to look into "Hooked On Phonics". When you can understand what people are talking about, then you can enter the debate.
Whatever you say pal, you are the fucking moron ripping on a fund raiser for an illness. You should listen to Say Anything - Admit It, it's directed at people such as yourself.

[catchmealone]

Haha, I posted to your anagram thread in the Education forum now... I didn't even realize there was one. Education has become a sham for the most part in the US. All I got from college was a social life while it lasted. Real education is up to the individual and I for one profess everyone just use a bit of common sense on a regular basis and we'd be so much better off. Maybe I will start perusing the Education forum though, thanks.

d4d




The problem is that Mr. Jones wouldn't be working on a cure for anything working at a major pharmaceutical company. Scientists working on these problems and solutions are mostly at research insitutions that have grants from the government (who is in bed with big business like Pharm companies) or much more often people funded by pharmaceutical companies themselves. The studies conducted are extremely costly and extremely narrow in nature... the source of the money dictates exactly what the researchers are studying/researching. So the chance of someone happening across a cure for cancer or any other major problem when not specifically researching it is incredibly slim, though possible. My point is though that people aren't being funded to find cures in the first place like they should be. With Lyme Disease for example we know what causes it, the dna of it, how to get rid of the active form of it, and the protein it encases itself in when it hides in the body so we can't totally get rid of it.... BUT, now that we've gotten that far, instead of funding studies of things that could get through that protein and theoretically cure the disease they're throwing all sorts of money into linking the disease to other problems which wouldn't matter so much if we could just cure it, heh.

d4d
Touche. Good point

[Peter Parker]

if you wanted to cure cancer then you should have gone to medical school. if you think that wearing a desperate plea for attention on your wrist is helping anyone you should re-examine what you think youre doing.. the money you will "donate" (its not really a donation because youre really doing it for your own benefit, i.e. you think you look cool / you feel good about yourself) is paltry. $4 from everyone in the world won't stop whatever disease the colored condom tied to your arm was designed to represent. its not a cause, its a trend. its a morbid fashion statement and it draws more attention to how "great" you are than any illness.

You are self-involved. You have a disgusting little need for acceptance. You arent helping cancer, youre helping your social life. And if it wasnt true, then why dont you just donate the money without wearing a fucking price tag around so that everyone can see your tax write off on your forearm. I like jason and i like what he is trying to do. But i hate everyone who wears these things like theyre the next jesus and they just bought my grandmother her 80th birthday.

at least our fucking orange bands say that we are doing something worthwhile and this particular trend is sending donations to charity. don't act like you're fucking mr superficial and image doesn't matter to you, trying to make a post like this to be 'different' or writing about how you're not understood in your Xanga journal and letting everyone know how scene you are by making an Audioscrobbler page means you are just as concerned with how you are perceived by everyone else anyway.

You're just like everyone else, except for the fact we are taking our image that little step further to say yes we are trying to make fashion statements, but at least we are doing something good in the process. its all positive, so quit your fucking whining.

i'm off to wear my girls jeans and tell everyone how 'rad' the new AAR album is.

Just like you.

Now be nice, and put your money where your 'shattered heart mouth' is..

[Kid Kilowatt]

Whatever you say pal, you are the fucking moron ripping on a fund raiser for an illness. You should listen to Say Anything - Admit It, it's directed at people such as yourself.
Well, considering Say Anything is terrible, I think I'll pass. You obviously have no understanding as to what I am speaking of, and I know it is hard for people such as yourself to comprehend , you know, thought. Mental retardation is a terrible thing. Thank god there are a number of foundations, which help you, and others, born with that defect.

[Alex Djaferis]

Bottom line: if what we're doing can make the life of one child, for one hour, better - it's worth all of it.

-----

[Kid Kilowatt]

Read.

[yanggoh]

Well, considering Say Anything is terrible


...that was the first thing i read in this thread that REALLY disgusted me.

[SpinKick]

Hey Mike bring back some of those GRANOLA bracelets so we can rock them when you are back for the week....We can be the GRANOLA GANG while we see who can steal the most ribbons off peoples cars -Hefe

[Kid Kilowatt]

...that was the first thing i read in this thread that REALLY disgusted me.
You obviously have no taste in music.

[FallingOut]

You obviously have no taste in music.

Many people could say the same thing to you. Its kind of funny how you get off by constantly ripping on people and putting them down, basically acting like a big arrogant prick. Nobody thinks youre really that tough, and you continually put up extremely weak arguments any time people say something against you. Youres so pathetic, its pretty funny. I love reading your posts because it makes me laugh at how utterly arrogant and sad you are.

[aminorthreat55]

Many people could say the same thing to you. Its kind of funny how you get off by constantly ripping on people and putting them down, basically acting like a big arrogant prick. Nobody thinks youre really that tough, and you continually put up extremely weak arguments any time people say something against you. Youres so pathetic, its pretty funny. I love reading your posts because it makes me laugh at how utterly arrogant and sad you are.
You do know who he is right?

[Dream4Distance]

Touche. Good point

Wow, a person on these boards intelligent and open-minded enough to listen to what others have to say, their point of view, and take it into consideration instead of just ignoring any logical arguments and sticking to their own pre-determined ideas of exactly how things are (or should be) and making no concessions in trying to prove their validity. After reading some of the other posts in this thread in which people repeat the same stuff they've been saying over and over again in diffferent ways without even really addressing points made by others, I have to say I'm impressed. It's nice discussing with people that read and actually consider each others posts and recognize the merits of each others' points. Thank you.

d4d

[Kid Kilowatt]

Many people could say the same thing to you. Its kind of funny how you get off by constantly ripping on people and putting them down, basically acting like a big arrogant prick. Nobody thinks youre really that tough, and you continually put up extremely weak arguments any time people say something against you. Youres so pathetic, its pretty funny. I love reading your posts because it makes me laugh at how utterly arrogant and sad you are.
Hahaha. First of all, I express my honest opinion of them. You see, unlike yourself, and the majority of the people in the world, I don't feel the need to pretend to be nice by lying about how I feel, and I don't feel the need to try to make friends by calling people out, which is what you're trying to do. You construe it as weakness because, in all reality, you're jealous of me. Those that are weak, as you certainly are, generally do hate, and want to be, those that are superior. Well, quite honestly, you'll never be as good as I am, so, and I am saying this as a friend, end your life. Consider it an act of mercy for yourself, and an act of contrition to society who has put up with your existence for far too long.

[avitabully]

its a nice light purple and its written in black sharpie. capital letters of course. we need to get the point across loud and clear. GRANOLA saves your heart! its actually the rubber band that holds together a bunch of asparagus, so its almost dual purpose. we should mail all the yellow ribbons to tate haha or the guy with the football picture in his signature he seems like the biggest douche here

[SicTrnsitGloria]

Misconception #1... You really think the medical industry or most of the people involved in it really want to CURE anything? No, that'd be bad for business. Sure, they'll come up with expensive drugs/treatments to keep us on as long as possible but then research grants seem to hit a wall when things start getting close to theoretical cures for most of the big medical problems these days.

My feelings on the rest of the original post were posted in an earlier bracelet thread you can feel free to search for. I'm not going to repeat it here but I will add this: Yes, some people clearly have their priorities mixed up but most mean well and $5 towards a good charity (this is one of a handful that I can actually recommend donating to) is a heck of a lot better than $5 spent on fast food, gas for someone's ridiculous SUV, superficial items or anything else people typically waste money on regularly without a second thought.



Everyone is self-involved. Why do you think you started this thread?

You're going to eat yourself up and waste your own time and energy if you keep buying into and perpetuating the myth of the altruistic society and then being disappointed/hateful when people don't live up to something that doesn't exist. Read Ayn Rand's Atlas Shrugged and then get back to me.
actually, even though i do agree with the rest of your post, Im sure people are looking to cure cancer, because they would most likely win a Nobel Prize, along with becoming incredibly famous and rich.

[workinclasshero]

Well, considering Say Anything is terrible, I think I'll pass. You obviously have no understanding as to what I am speaking of, and I know it is hard for people such as yourself to comprehend , you know, thought. Mental retardation is a terrible thing. Thank god there are a number of foundations, which help you, and others, born with that defect.
Yes I know, I'll be performing in the Special Olympics here soon, you should come watch, I'm favored in about 4 events.
Calling someone a retard is cool yes, if you are in 2nd grade. Why don't you rethink your simple minded response and then get back to me later. Okay there killer.
and also
Is A Real Boy is a work of art like it or not

[SicTrnsitGloria]

Yes I know, I'll be performing in the Special Olympics here soon, you should come watch, I'm favored in about 4 events.
Calling someone a retard is cool yes, if you are in 2nd grade. Why don't you rethink your simple minded response and then get back to me later. Okay there killer.
and also
Is A Real Boy is a work of art like it or not
agreed.

[SpinKick]

Tate would re-sell them and he could donate the money to the football douche so he could find a cure for being a dumb ass

[SicTrnsitGloria]

Tate would re-sell them and he could donate the money to the football douche so he could find a cure for being a dumb ass
you have 11 posts. do you really know that much about Tate to be jumping to conclusions about him?

[workinclasshero]

the guy with the football picture in his signature he seems like the biggest douche here
this coming from a guy in his early 20's who still claims MCR as one of his favorite bands.

Tate would re-sell them and he could donate the money to the football douche so he could find a cure for being a dumb ass
go post in the newbie thread

[SicTrnsitGloria]

its a nice light purple and its written in black sharpie. capital letters of course. we need to get the point across loud and clear. GRANOLA saves your heart! its actually the rubber band that holds together a bunch of asparagus, so its almost dual purpose. we should mail all the yellow ribbons to tate haha or the guy with the football picture in his signature he seems like the biggest douche here
Typing his username would have been easier than typing "the guy with the football picture in his signature", do you think that you're funny by somehow commenting on him having football in his signature?
are you oh so more scene than him that you dont condone football or any other mainstream sports?

...me jumping to conclusions, but dude, you're an asshole.

[catchmealone]

Wow, a person on these boards intelligent and open-minded enough to listen to what others have to say, their point of view, and take it into consideration instead of just ignoring any logical arguments and sticking to their own pre-determined ideas of exactly how things are (or should be) and making no concessions in trying to prove their validity. After reading some of the other posts in this thread in which people repeat the same stuff they've been saying over and over again in diffferent ways without even really addressing points made by others, I have to say I'm impressed. It's nice discussing with people that read and actually consider each others posts and recognize the merits of each others' points. Thank you.

d4d
Eh, I do what I can. I have no problem admitting when someone proves me wrong.

Yes I know, I'll be performing in the Special Olympics here soon, you should come watch, I'm favored in about 4 events.
Calling someone a retard is cool yes, if you are in 2nd grade. Why don't you rethink your simple minded response and then get back to me later. Okay there killer.
and also
Is A Real Boy is a work of art like it or not
Just because you worship Say Anything and he doesn't doesn't make him wrong. It's music. Music isn't always 2+2=4, it's not that defined. You obviously love Say Anything. Some people don't. And you know what.......there is nothing wrong with that.

[workinclasshero]

Just because you worship Say Anything and he doesn't doesn't make him wrong. It's music
Pull your head out of your ass, if you would read the reply I believe I wrote "Is a Real Boy is a work of art, LIKE IT OR NOT.

Typing his username would have been easier than typing "the guy with the football picture in his signature", do you think that you're funny by somehow commenting on him having football in his signature?
are you oh so more scene than him that you dont condone football or any other mainstream sports?

...me jumping to conclusions, but dude, you're an asshole.
like i said, these guys avitabully, kid_kilowatt need to listen to Say Anything - Admit It, because it is directed at people like them.

I'll leave you with a passage.....You be the judge.........
You spend your time sitting in circles with your friends
Pontificating to each other
Forever competing for that one moment of self-aggrandizing glory
In which you hog the intellectual spotlight
Holding dominion over the entire shallow pointless conversation
Oh, we’re not worthy
When you walk by a group of quote-unquote normal people
You chuckle to yourself patting yourself on the back as you scoff
It's the same superiority complex
Shared by the high school jocks who made your life a living hell
And makes you a slave to the competitive capitalist dogma
You spend every moment of your waking life bitching about

[catchmealone]

Pull your head out of your ass, if you would read the reply I believe I wrote "Is a Real Boy is a work of art, LIKE IT OR NOT.

Exactly. What you are saying there is (sorry, that didn't make sense, let me rephrase) that your word is the truth, and that anyone who disagrees is wrong.
But it's not that simple. You think the album is a work of art. I have no problem with that and I won't argue that. But just because someone disagrees doesn't mean that they are dumber than you or know less about music than you. It means their opinion is different than you.
Why do you seem to think that people HAVE to agree with you and if they don't, they are wrong?

[workinclasshero]

Exactly. What you are saying there is "Whether you agree or not, you are wrong. This album is perfect and everyone should agree with me"
But it's not that simple. You think the album is a work of art. I have no problem with that and I won't argue that. But just because someone disagrees doesn't mean that they are dumber than you or know less about music than you. It means their opinion is different than you.
Why do you seem to think that people HAVE to agree with you and if they don't, they are wrong?
alright, I'm done with you, it's obvious that arguing with you will go nowhere, because you fail to see the point.

[catchmealone]

alright, I'm done with you, it's obvious that arguing with you will go nowhere, because you fail to see the point.
What do I not understand? You think that your opinion on Say Anything is the gospel. But your word is not the gospel, LIKE IT OR NOT.
Neither is mine, neither is anyones. Your word is your opinion. You aren't wrong for likeing Say Anything. And no one is wrong for disliking Say Anything.
What's so hard about that?

[workinclasshero]

What do I not understand? You think that your opinion on Say Anything is the gospel. But your word is not the gospel, LIKE IT OR NOT.
Neither is mine, neither is anyones. Your word is your opinion. You aren't wrong for likeing Say Anything. And no one is wrong for disliking Say Anything.
What's so hard about that?
Albums are put together by what's the word, oh yeah musical artists, hmmmm so I think that qualifies them as being a work of art. See the point now buddy.

[catchmealone]

Albums are put together by what's the word, oh yeah musical artists, hmmmm so I think that qualifies them as being a work of art. See the point now buddy.
Alright, you got me there, but you can't be serious. So you mean that when you said that, you were saying "Is A Real Boy is a work of art. Just like *NSYNC's debut album, anything by JLo, even Eddie Murphy's album. They are all works of art"

[workinclasshero]

Alright, you got me there, but you can't be serious. So you mean that when you said that, you were saying "Is A Real Boy is a work of art. Just like *NSYNC's debut album, anything by JLo, even Eddie Murphy's album. They are all works of art"
They aren't bands though, they didn't personally make all of the music, so I agree they are not works of art.

[SpinKick]

you have 11 posts. do you really know that much about Tate to be jumping to conclusions about him?
just cause I have a life and don't post every 40 seconds during the day doesn't mean that I don't know or read this site. Nice try though.

[catchmealone]

They aren't bands though, they didn't personally make all of the music, so I agree they are not works of art.
Well they put in some work effort on their art.
Also, would you say Lil John's albums are works of art? He does alot of the "singing" and he makes the "beats". So that is also a work of art.

[workinclasshero]

just cause I have a life and don't post every 40 seconds during the day doesn't mean that I don't know or read this site. Nice try though.
hahahahaha, you have no argument there. While you are reading the site he is posting and interracting with others such as himself, and if memory serves me right I'd say that he has under 1000 posts and has been here since August of 2004.

[SpinKick]

Typing his username would have been easier than typing "the guy with the football picture in his signature", do you think that you're funny by somehow commenting on him having football in his signature?
are you oh so more scene than him that you dont condone football or any other mainstream sports?

...me jumping to conclusions, but dude, you're an asshole.
who gives a shit about being scene anymore. You are retard. The guy has a huge ass football picture in his signature. Unless his name is HugeAss Football Picture then it doesnt belong there.

[workinclasshero]

Well they put in some work effort on their art.
Also, would you say Lil John's albums are works of art? He does alot of the "singing" and he makes the "beats". So that is also a work of art.
yeah he composes the beats. Don't talk about Lil Jon though, if you are going to talk about a producer that makes beats look no further than the D.R.E.

who gives a shit about being scene anymore. You are retard. The guy has a huge ass football picture in his signature. Unless his name is HugeAss Football Picture then it doesnt belong there.
wow, so young, so stupid

[catchmealone]

yeah he composes the beats. Don't talk about Lil Jon though, if you are going to talk about a producer that makes beats look no further than the D.R.E.


wow, so young, so stupid
Well Mr. Kanye does a pretty good job. So do the Neptunes(used to, their new stuff isn't nearly as good, but still better than most) There are good producers, I agree. I was simply saying, Lil John's albums, by your definition, are works of art, just like Say Anything's album.

[Kid Kilowatt]

Yes I know, I'll be performing in the Special Olympics here soon, you should come watch, I'm favored in about 4 events.
Calling someone a retard is cool yes, if you are in 2nd grade. Why don't you rethink your simple minded response and then get back to me later. Okay there killer.
and also
Is A Real Boy is a work of art like it or not
I'm not calling you a retard to be insulting. You obviously have a severe mental defect because you've shown that ,regardless of what people are actually talking about, you don't understand it.
Fact:

"Is A Real Boy" is garbage. Those who see it as a "work of art" have no clue as to what a work of art actually is.

[aminorthreat55]

I'm not calling you a retard to be insulting. You obviously have a severe mental defect because you've shown that ,regardless of what people are actually talking about, you don't understand it.
Fact:

"Is A Real Boy" is garbage. Those who see it as a "work of art" have no clue as to what a work of art actually is.
Hahahhaahaha I still have no idea why anyone continues to argue with you or even attempt to change your mind.

[SpinKick]

wow, so young, so stupid

That's an intelligent response. HugeAss Football Picture is so smart. I wish I was as smart as him. I wish I had as many posts as he does. I am so jealous of him. He is so scene. I'm not as punk as him. Attention everyone I will be starting a fund raiser selling bracelets (color yet to be determined) to support me being as cool as HugeAss Football Picture. Please send your donations of $4 to my address and you will receive a bracelet.

[Kid Kilowatt]

Hahahhaahaha I still have no idea why anyone continues to argue with you or even attempt to change your mind.
Especially considering I'm right.

[aminorthreat55]

Especially considering I'm right.
Haha yep.

[popdisaster00]

go vikings

[workinclasshero]

I'm not calling you a retard to be insulting. You obviously have a severe mental defect because you've shown that ,regardless of what people are actually talking about, you don't understand it.
Fact:.
I have a severe mental condition indeed. I'm currently double majoring in political science and English at the University of Iowa (one of the top liberal arts programs in the nation), then I plan to go to law school. I'm not saying I'm better than you, but what are your credentials?

That's an intelligent response. HugeAss Football Picture is so smart. I wish I was as smart as him. I wish I had as many posts as he does. I am so jealous of him. He is so scene. I'm not as punk as him. Attention everyone I will be starting a fund raiser selling bracelets (color yet to be determined) to support me being as cool as HugeAss Football Picture. Please send your donations of $4 to my address and you will receive a bracelet.
At least the other guys can actually argue their points. After these simple minded posts that you are making you are going to find that your parents have thrown all your shit in the lawn and advised you to find a foster family.

[Kid Kilowatt]

I have a severe mental condition indeed. I'm currently double majoring in political science and English at the University of Iowa (one of the top liberal arts programs in the nation), then I plan to go to law school. I'm not saying I'm better than you, but what are your credentials?
Hahaha. Are you trying to impress me? Well, you failed, as everyone on the internet is a supposed genius in school.
And I am saying I'm better than you.

[STeverglow301]

if you wanted to cure cancer then you should have gone to medical school. if you think that wearing a desperate plea for attention on your wrist is helping anyone you should re-examine what you think youre doing.. the money you will "donate" (its not really a donation because youre really doing it for your own benefit, i.e. you think you look cool / you feel good about yourself) is paltry. $4 from everyone in the world won't stop whatever disease the colored condom tied to your arm was designed to represent. its not a cause, its a trend. its a morbid fashion statement and it draws more attention to how "great" you are than any illness.

You are self-involved. You have a disgusting little need for acceptance. You arent helping cancer, youre helping your social life. And if it wasnt true, then why dont you just donate the money without wearing a fucking price tag around so that everyone can see your tax write off on your forearm. I like jason and i like what he is trying to do. But i hate everyone who wears these things like theyre the next jesus and they just bought my grandmother her 80th birthday.
i understand what you are saying.. but let people do what they want to help. its a way to show i support this cause of money funding.

[avitabully]

this coming from a guy in his early 20's who still claims MCR as one of his favorite bands.

Sorry. I guess i should update my profile (is that where you got this information?) because MCR isnt as cool as when i made it a year ago.

Workingclasshero thats your name! I guess referring to you as the guy with the football picture doesnt work because somehow Workingclasshero is actually your real name and is much more relevant than the image directly below your title.

Oh ... and ... who is this band i should listen to? Say Anything? Hmm ill see if i can get a hold of that cd you mentioned. Never heard of it before ...

If i lived anywhere near you i'd come shit on your lawn. Seriously i would

[workinclasshero]

Sorry. I guess i should update my profile (is that where you got this information?) because MCR isnt as cool as when i made it a year ago.

Workingclasshero thats your name! I guess referring to you as the guy with the football picture doesnt work because somehow Workingclasshero is actually your real name and is much more relevant than the image directly below your title.

Oh ... and ... who is this band i should listen to? Say Anything? Hmm ill see if i can get a hold of that cd you mentioned. Never heard of it before ...

If i lived anywhere near you i'd come shit on your lawn. Seriously i would
workinclasshero is my screen name, my real name is Jimmy, pleasure to meet you. My name derived from the solo works of a music icon John Lennon. That was a song off of one of his solo albums.
If you do decide to come shit in my lawn let me know, I'll bring out a newspaper.

[SpinKick]

At least the other guys can actually argue their points. After these simple minded posts that you are making you are going to find that your parents have thrown all your shit in the lawn and advised you to find a foster family.
Seeing how I am not 15 I don't live with my parents. The other people have no points. Their points are that they are so self involved they have nothing better to do but think they are the shit and that other peoples opinions are wrong. The only person that has made a point this whole time is the person who is saying that buying a bracelet to look cool is wrong.

[Cal Smith]

I'd point out.................nothing bad can happen from donating money to a good cause. Whether the bracelet trend is involved or not has not bearing on the fact that the money is still going towards a good cause. Please find something that at least has some small detrimental aspect to it too bitch about.

Also for the argument that it's not giving from the heart and is solely for getting the bracelet...............who cares? If a small incentive is what it takes to get someone to give then so be it. Call me when you become a successful philanthropist without having to provide any incentive at all to the people that donate too you.

[avitabully]

I'd point out.................nothing bad can happen from donating money to a good cause. Whether the bracelet trend is involved or not has not bearing on the fact that the money is still going towards a good cause. Please find something that at least has some small detrimental aspect to it too bitch about.

Also for the argument that it's not giving from the heart and is solely for getting the bracelet...............who cares? If a small incentive is what it takes to get someone to give then so be it. Call me when you become a successful philanthropist without having to provide any incentive at all to the people that donate too you.

No. Nothing bad can happen, you are right. But the fact that people need incentive is what I'm arguing against. Oh, and the football picture in his signature guy, just because he is a tool. And the guy who said I should get hit by a train. How silly

[SpinKick]

No. Nothing bad can happen, you are right. But the fact that people need incentive is what I'm arguing against. Oh, and the football picture in his signature guy, just because he is a tool. And the guy who said I should get hit by a train. How silly
well said my long haired friend

[FallingOut]

Hahaha. First of all, I express my honest opinion of them. You see, unlike yourself, and the majority of the people in the world, I don't feel the need to pretend to be nice by lying about how I feel, and I don't feel the need to try to make friends by calling people out, which is what you're trying to do. You construe it as weakness because, in all reality, you're jealous of me. Those that are weak, as you certainly are, generally do hate, and want to be, those that are superior. Well, quite honestly, you'll never be as good as I am, so, and I am saying this as a friend, end your life. Consider it an act of mercy for yourself, and an act of contrition to society who has put up with your existence for far too long.

That was an AMAZING comeback. Man, youre such a genuis. I dont remember ever calling anybody out. Nor was I trying to make friends. This is exactly like every reply you give to whenever somebody says something you dont like. I'm jealous of you??? Thats amazing. How could that even be possible? And besides that, just about everything you said is so incredibly hypocritical. You say that I "hate" because I am weak? What the hell do you do every day on here???? Youre such a sad, lonely person, that you reply to any post by insulting the person who made it. The first thing you always say in any response, is to insult that person's musical taste. That sure sounds mature to me....right. So, in all realisticness, I am so much better of a person than you its really kind of sad. Nothing you can say will ever make me sad at all, nor does it make anybody else on here you try to intimidate. Now go back to your pathetic little existence.