Worst seasonal records by sport/league (USA)

[Justin_stacy]

Time Magazine had a mini article about the Detroit Lions and their glorious '08 season, and they listed the worst seasonal records from each of the major American Sporting leagues.....and obviously I found it interesting.

NFL
Detroit Lions 0-16 (2008)

MLB
NY Mets 40-120 (1962)

NBA
Philadeplhia 76ers 9-73 (1972-73)

WNBA
Washington Mystics 3-27 (1998)

NHL
Washington Capitals 8-76-5 (1974-75)

MLS
Tampa Bay Mutiny 4-21-2 (2001)

AFL
Carolina Cobras 0-16 (2003)....as with most expansion leagues there have been numerous teams with non-winning seasons, this was the most recent. Or so I think.

MLL
Chicago Machine 0-12 (2006)

"These are all modern era records.

[CarlosLunes]

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[acfrue]

no one cares about mls.

[Scott Weber]

no one cares about mls.
i do.

[acfrue]

i do.
is that because seattle has a team now? its not that i dont like soccer, i do, i just think the mls is a joke.

[Scott Weber]

is that because seattle has a team now? its not that i dont like soccer, i do, i just think the mls is a joke.
i think if america wants to ever have a successful soccer league here and attract bigger stars, people need to give a shit about the MLS. so if you do like soccer, you should care.

[tambo41187]

is that because seattle has a team now? its not that i dont like soccer, i do, i just think the mls is a joke.

Plenty of people do care about the MLS, just because you don't. The MLS might not be the same quality of the bigger leagues in the world...hardly makes it a joke. Its been growing in skill and popularity the last few years.

[mcfly21]

top division in england - founded 1892

top division in us - founded 1996

makes a diference in quality of play and fanbase

[Broken Parachute]

MLB
NY Mets 40-120 (1962)Still going strong.

no one cares about mls.False. I do. A lot of people do.

[acfrue]

Its been growing in skill and popularity the last few years.

thats true.

[more heart]

the sixers one gets me, how can you manage to only win 9 of your 81 games.

[Scott Weber]

the sixers one gets me, how can you manage to only win 9 of your 81 games.
:-|

[acfrue]

the sixers one gets me, how can you manage to only win 9 of your 81 games.

i think that the thunder are on pace to "break" that record.

[AshesAshes]

the sixers one gets me, how can you manage to only win 9 of your 81 games.
Hahahaha.

MLS is pretty popular around here people love the real.

[PatMarquez13]

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Ah fuck you miss!

[mattmatumbo]

no one cares about mls.

i do.

Still going strong.

False. I do. A lot of people do.

Hahahaha.

MLS is pretty popular around here people love the real.

mls is pretty popular now, nothing compared to the nfl or mlb or anything like that.

Hell Yeah Real!

i guess for the mls if you take into account the LA galaxy purchasing Beckham for whatever absurd amount and then no perfoming, that in my mind is the worst for the MLS

[SockMonkeyRiot]

but..but the '62 Mets were loveable!

[LastPlaceRocks]

If MLS is a major sports league, then you might as well add NASCAR (although it doesn't conform to the list), Arena Football and the WNBA.

[mattmatumbo]

If MLS is a major sports league, then you might as well add NASCAR (although it doesn't conform to the list), Arena Football and the WNBA.

why's that?

[Scott Weber]

If MLS is a major sports league, then you might as well add NASCAR (although it doesn't conform to the list), Arena Football and the WNBA.
Not really. Those other two are offshoots of popular sports with successful leagues; MLS is alone.

[tambo41187]

If MLS is a major sports league, then you might as well add NASCAR (although it doesn't conform to the list), Arena Football and the WNBA.

Average attendance for the MLS is more than Arena football and twice as large as the WNBA, but you are right I would not consider it a major sports league. Then again I would barely consider the NHL a major sports league in the US anymore.

[LastPlaceRocks]

Not really. Those other two are offshoots of popular sports with successful leagues; MLS is alone.
They are still all niche sports in comparison to the big five.

Average attendance for the MLS is more than Arena football and twice as large as the WNBA, but you are right I would not consider it a major sports league. Then again I would barely consider the NHL a major sports league in the US anymore.
Given the size of the stadiums in comparison to arenas, I'd hope that MLS teams would have greater attendance. And while the NHL is a weird league to categorize in the US, it's in better shape than the other three niche sports.

[Scott Weber]

They are still all niche sports in comparison to the big five.


Given the size of the stadiums in comparison to arenas, I'd hope that MLS teams would have greater attendance. And while the NHL is a weird league to categorize in the US, it's in better shape than the other three niche sports.
That doesn't mean it isn't important and we should dismiss it. If we want soccer to be succesful here, we have to invest in the MLS.

[LastPlaceRocks]

Then quit dismissing Arena football and the WNBA - a lot of people want them to be successful as well (especially ESPN). But really that doesn't have anything to do with the fact that MLS is not on the same level as the other major sports leagues as of 2009.

Don't get me wrong, I'd like to see MLS succeed. It has taken a lot of positive steps in the last five years (soccer-specific stadiums, the TV deal with ESPN and Univision and finding local owners for franchises) to get to a point where being profitable is not a pipe dream, but if we're talking about the popularity of sports at the present time it doesn't deserve to be considered with the Big Five. Maybe this will change in the future, but as of right now it's a niche sport.

[Scott Weber]

Then quit dismissing Arena football and the WNBA - a lot of people want them to be successful as well (especially ESPN). But really that doesn't have anything to do with the fact that MLS is not on the same level as the other major sports leagues as of 2009.

Don't get me wrong, I'd like to see MLS succeed. It has taken a lot of positive steps in the last five years (soccer-specific stadiums, the TV deal with ESPN and Univision and finding local owners for franchises) to get to a point where being profitable is not a pipe dream, but if we're talking about the popularity of sports at the present time it doesn't deserve to be considered with the Big Five. Maybe this will change in the future, but as of right now it's a niche sport.
What the fuck are you even talking about? The MLS is an entirely different sport, the world's most popular sport...we've got football and the WNBA and I'd just as soon see them die since we have better leagues. I don't really care how bad ESPN wants Arena Football to succeed, that is completely irrelevant. And no matter how you spin it, soccer is not a niche sport. It's an insanely popular one that hasn't caught on nationally when it comes to viewership or attendance. But secondary niche sport is not how to describe soccer.

[LastPlaceRocks]

1. MLS is not a sport - it's a sports league. Soccer is a sport, and while yes it is the world's most popular sport that is not the case in the US. There are a half-dozen sports that garner more attention in this country than soccer. That is what makes our domestic soccer league (MLS) a niche in America. The rest of the world doesn't matter when you are discussing the major professional sports leagues of America.

2. You're not God - just because you want something to succeed or fail doesn't make it law.

[Scott Weber]

1. MLS is not a sport - it's a sports league. Soccer is a sport, and while yes it is the world's most popular sport that is not the case in the US. There are a half-dozen sports that garner more attention in this country than soccer. That is what makes our domestic soccer league (MLS) a niche in America. The rest of the world doesn't matter when you are discussing the major professional sports leagues of America.

2. You're not God - just because you want something to succeed or fail doesn't make it law.
I don't understand where all this hatred towards me is coming from because I disagree with you, grow up. You know what I'm referring to when I say MLS is a sport, totally pointless and frankly stupid thing to get into, really pathetic. You can think whatever you want. The point is that soccer is a massively popular sport worldwide and gaining here - and mentalities like "who gives a shit about the MLS" or "The MLS is a joke" are what holds the sport back from breaking through. I just completely disagree with calling it like Arena Football or the WNBA because it's the only major league for that sport, and it's such a massively played sport in America that I can't call it a niche, just one that's growing and has low interest.

[Justin_stacy]

If MLS is a major sports league, then you might as well add NASCAR (although it doesn't conform to the list), Arena Football and the WNBA.

ya you have fun trying to figure those ones out....The MLS is supposedly a major league and I couldn't find it (although I'm willing to bet the AFL one is 0 and something, as there are numerous 0 - " " in the pre-superbowl era of the NFL).

[LastPlaceRocks]

Scott, there's no hatred - the second thing was just towards how you want one niche league to succeed while others to fail; in my opinion "I don't care how bad ESPN wants Arena Football to succeed" is on par with "who gives a shit about the MLS."

Secondly, all I've been discussing is that MLS is not a major sports league in the US sports culture and is reserved for niche status. Soccer is a sport that has been on the cusp of breaking through in the USA for half a century - there have been other Soccer leagues before the MLS in 1996. The New York Cosmos were in the same position as the LA Galaxy are now when they acquired Pele in the 1970s to boost the profile of the NASL. Again there are things that the league is doing right at the moment, but given the TV ratings for both the regular season and playoffs, attendance and merchandise sales it is a very very large stretch to put it on par with the lowest of the major sports leagues despite its gains. While it's the king of those leagues being "one that's growing and has low interest" (which is why MLS is a niche), it's going to take more growth from the league to get bumped up. You can disagree with that, but that's my opinion on the matter.

[Scott Weber]

Scott, there's no hatred - the second thing was just towards how you want one niche league to succeed while others to fail; in my opinion "I don't care how bad ESPN wants Arena Football to succeed" is on par with "who gives a shit about the MLS."

Secondly, all I've been discussing is that MLS is not a major sports league in the US sports culture and is reserved for niche status. Soccer is a sport that has been on the cusp of breaking through in the USA for half a century - there have been other Soccer leagues before the MLS in 1996. The New York Cosmos were in the same position as the LA Galaxy are now when they acquired Pele in the 1970s to boost the profile of the NASL. Again there are things that the league is doing right at the moment, but given the TV ratings for both the regular season and playoffs, attendance and merchandise sales it is a very very large stretch to put it on par with the lowest of the major sports leagues despite its gains. While it's the king of those leagues being "one that's growing and has low interest" (which is why MLS is a niche), it's going to take more growth from the league to get bumped up. You can disagree with that, but that's my opinion on the matter.
Wtf? How are those 2 statements the same? They're not. I don't care about how bad ESPN wants a league to succeed because they're a TV station, not that I hope the league dies or that nobody cares about it. I just really don't care what ESPN wants because I can't stand the direction the network has been going in for a while now. What i'm saying is that dismissing the MLS as a joke or not worthy of discussion is exactly why it is struggling and will continue to struggle.

[LastPlaceRocks]

Because you don't care about those leagues much like those who don't care about MLS put it down.

And actually to be fair I'm sure that ESPN wants MLS to succeed as well given they broadcast it (although don't have an ownership stake like Arena Football).

[LastPlaceRocks]

ya you have fun trying to figure those ones out....The MLS is supposedly a major league and I couldn't find it (although I'm willing to bet the AFL one is 0 and something, as there are numerous 0 - " " in the pre-superbowl era of the NFL).
The MLS' worst record is the Tampa Bay Mutiny (RIP) in 2001: 4-21-2.

[Scott Weber]

Because you don't care about those leagues much like those who don't care about MLS put it down.

And actually to be fair I'm sure that ESPN wants MLS to succeed as well given they broadcast it (although don't have an ownership stake like Arena Football).
Why don't you show me where I said this, because I know for a fact I did not.

[Robb]

I want the RHI back.

[TEAMRAMROD]

The MLS' worst record is the Tampa Bay Mutiny (RIP) in 2001: 4-21-2.

i remember going to those games. hell of a lot of fun.

[TEAMRAMROD]

Time Magazine had a mini article about the Detroit Lions and their glorious '08 season, and they listed the worst seasonal records from each of the major American Sporting leagues.....and obviously I found it interesting.

NFL
Detroit Lions 0-16 (2008)

MLB
NY Mets 40-120 (1962)

NBA
Philadeplhia 76ers 9-73 (1972-73)

NHL
Washington Capitals 8-76-5 (1974-75)

MLS
(wasn't listed)

"These are all modern era records.

so glad to see the bucs aren't on there anymore

[gnarly sky]

NBA
Philadeplhia 76ers 9-73 (1972-73)

NHL
Washington Capitals 8-76-5 (1974-75)


Holy crap.

[LastPlaceRocks]

Why don't you show me where I said this, because I know for a fact I did not.
No you're correct - my apologies.

[Justin_stacy]

*updated the main page MLS, MLL, AFL and WNBA.

[we are cured]

I want the RHI back.

haha truth. those RHI pucks were the shit for indoor roller hockey too.

as far as the MLS discussion, i think one of the reasons it won't break through into major sports league category here in the US is that it's not the best collection of talent. the real soccer fans will probably watch the MLS but care way more about the more skilled leagues around the world.

also, we're only starting to become competitive on an international level - i think a big time world cup performance could really ignite the sport in america.

[mattmatumbo]

i am honestly surprised with the growth of the mls, when i was in highschool not a soul gave a shit, or at least thats how i perceived it. When i got into college though i see real salt lake jerseys everywhere, that's still not saying much considering that people who watch american football never wear football jerseys but what every single game.

also, i think that if the US does do well in a world cup there will be a spike in american interest in not only the mls but other leagues.

[James1010]

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[Scott Weber]

jeeeeeeeeeeeeesus.