Best Metal/Hardcore Crossover

[Divinehand]

coughcough converge coughcough

[Regards]

Wait... what?

[briewer]

Are you talking of a band that occupies both genres simultaneously or that move from one to the other as their career progressed?

[Divinehand]

Worded it incorrectly...just meant a combination.

Like 90's metalcore.

[voncorn]

That's an easy one: Botch

[Regards]

Edgy.

[Divinehand]

Coalesce...Shai Hulud...even 99's release of Calculating Infinity by old Dillinger.


And yeah, Botch.

[last light]

You were born in 1994. You aren't credible at all.

/end

[Hey Kevin]

Joy Division

[Divinehand]

You were born in 1993. You aren't credible at all.

/end


It's true, I never experienced the scene as it grew.
But that doesn't mean I'm incapable of loving and knowing the music!
It's just way harder listening from the top down.

[NEP633]

one king down and harms way

[bowl of oranges]

I really don't know the difference between metal, hardcore, thrash, screamo, grindcore, and all that other heavy shit. Someone please explain it to me.

The only heavy bands I have on my iTunes are Circle Takes The Square, Saetia, pageninetynine, Converge, and Between The Buried and Me

[DjJazzyGeoff]

one king down and harms way

Niiiiice, used to listen to these guys when I was like 13, bloodlust revenge was the shiznit

[Divinehand]

I really don't know the difference between metal, hardcore, thrash, screamo, grindcore, and all that other heavy shit. Someone please explain it to me.

The only heavy bands I have on my iTunes are Circle Takes The Square, Saetia, pageninetynine, Converge, and Between The Buried and Me

For starters, all those bands are legit and actually good.

[bowl of oranges]

For starters, all those bands are legit and actually good.Yeah I like them. I don't listen to them much but when I do, it's enjoyable.

[Divinehand]

It's just that heavy music is just as commercial as pop these days. It's all one big marketing ploy.
It's much rarer now to find a band genuinely striving to make original music.

[Hey Kevin]

I really don't know the difference between metal, hardcore, thrash, screamo, grindcore, and all that other heavy shit. Someone please explain it to me.

The only heavy bands I have on my iTunes are Circle Takes The Square, Saetia, pageninetynine, Converge, and Between The Buried and Me

metal is metal idk i dont listen to much but i think you know
hardcore is heavy fast punk originating from the eighties
thrash is faster hardcore
screamo is
actually all of this is going to end up sounding the same never mind
this is harder to explain than i thought

[Divinehand]

Well metal originated from harder rock bands like Black Sabbath. Progressed into speed/ thrash metal like metallica in the 80's. Oce Slayer hit, it got really heavy and began to really branch off. Death metal was formed, and with it came Napalm Death. Napalm Death basically invented grindcore by intermixing the heaviness of bands like Slayer and Death with super-fast tempos borrowed from hardcore. Kinda sounds like one big explosion.

Punk is the progenitor of hardcore. Hardcore is just faster, more aggressive punk. Started in Early 80's. Stuff like Minor Threat, Bad Brains, Dead Kennedys, Agnostic Front, Cro-Mags. Some modern hardcore bands are Verse, American Nightmare, Modern Life is War stuff like that.

[wewascontenders]

oh really?

[Getup and Dance]

Haha, this thread brings some lolz.

[Hey Kevin]

Well metal originated from harder rock bands like Black Sabbath. Progressed into speed/ thrash metal like metallica in the 80's. Oce Slayer hit, it got really heavy and began to really branch off. Death metal was formed, and with it came Napalm Death. Napalm Death basically invented grindcore by intermixing the heaviness of bands like Slayer and Death with super-fast tempos borrowed from hardcore. Kinda sounds like one big explosion.

Punk is the progenitor of hardcore. Hardcore is just faster, more aggressive punk. Started in Early 80's. Stuff like Minor Threat, Bad Brains, Dead Kennedys, Agnostic Front, Cro-Mags. Some modern hardcore bands are Verse, American Nightmare, Modern Life is War stuff like that.

you didnt talk about thrash
and napalm did NOT invent grind

[NEP633]

Niiiiice, used to listen to these guys when I was like 13, bloodlust revenge was the shiznit

yess, i'm glad someone else here enjoys them. i wish i was into them when they were still around and Albany had a good hardcore scene.

[Jumpoff]

I really don't know the difference between metal, hardcore, thrash, screamo, grindcore, and all that other heavy shit. Someone please explain it to me.

The only heavy bands I have on my iTunes are Circle Takes The Square, Saetia, pageninetynine, Converge, and Between The Buried and Me

BTBAM is a metal band. ctts, pg 99, and saetia are screamo bands. I'm not going to bother putting a label on converge because there's no chance of me getting it right.

Hardcore songs don't have breakdowns (in my opinion. If it has breakdowns and you think it's hardcore good chance it's metalcore)

Metal songs generally pay more attention to the guitar parts, and its generally less sloppy with longer songs than hardcore.

Screamo is a subgenre of hardcore punk.
Thrash is a subgenre of metal.
Grindcore is essentially a shitload of blast beats, with heavy vocals, very short songs generally.. Pretty much it's easy to differentiate from other hardcore genres.

Oh and I hope CTTS just breaks up already. Terrible band.

[mht]

no the real answer to this question is Sheer Terror.



my personal favorite though is Ringworm.

[Hey Kevin]

thrash is a subgenre of punk
like early DRI
thrash spawned the first blast beat
modern thrash would be Das Oath or Asshole Parade

[Jumpoff]

thrash is a subgenre of punk
like early DRI
thrash spawned the first blast beat
modern thrash would be Das Oath or Asshole Parade

Err what?

[mht]

lol modern day thrash would not be fucking das oath or asshole parade.


they would be modern day elitist shit because they contain 3 fans total

[Hey Kevin]

lol modern day thrash would not be fucking das oath or asshole parade.


they would be modern day elitist shit because they contain 3 fans total


20,000 of your posts contain the word "elitist" dont they?

[mht]

no but 1,143 of yours secretly screams it to anyone with working eyeballs that reads what you write.

[born to expire]

no the real answer to this question is Sheer Terror.



One of my favorites. Don't know if I'd consider them "crossover," but whatever.

LEEWAY.


Also this thread makes my head hurt.

[Hey Kevin]

no but 1,143 of yours secretly screams it to anyone with working eyeballs that reads what you write.

thank god this one doesn't

[lfdfforever]

botch

[mht]

thank god this one doesn't


i was only kidding with you lol. you can whatever skramz bands thrash all you want. have a ball son.

[Hey Kevin]

i was only kidding with you lol. you can whatever skramz bands thrash all you want. have a ball son.
freedom!


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[born to expire]

freedom!


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what the hell is that shit??

this is thrash:
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[born to expire]

Hardcore songs don't have breakdowns (in my opinion. If it has breakdowns and you think it's hardcore good chance it's metalcore)



hahahahahahaha

thank you for that one

[mht]

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[mht]

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[Hey Kevin]

thrash
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DRI invented thrash then became a lame thrash metal crossover
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[Hey Kevin]

and here is some grind videos in case anyone is nterested
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[mht]

asshole parade is just a punk band with fucking blast beats, so basically a fucking heavy band. like Phobia basically. What I and Born to Expire post is way closer to thrash.

[born to expire]

tpxTHPOHgtU

[born to expire]

AAIg9rlZzkw

So goddamn heavy. SOD is definitely more of a crossover band but it really doesn't matter.

[born to expire]

More awesomeness:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=S6VKkElqGSI

[Carlo Marx]

Integrity is the only acceptable answer.

[iHATEapril]

seiing integrity friday..

[guiguedz]

Vanilla Ice, for sure.

[Carlo Marx]

seiing integrity friday..

nice. where at?

[wesgemm08]

Municipal Waste is too good for this thread

[Hey Kevin]

asshole parade is just a punk band with fucking blast beats, so basically a fucking heavy band. like Phobia basically. What I and Born to Expire post is way closer to thrash.

they use fast beats not blast beats
although im sure fast beats have a better more professional name but thats what i call em
fast beat = snare and hi hat (together) followed by a kick. play it a bunch of times. really fast.

[Hey Kevin]

Municipal Waste is too good for this thread


THAT BAND IS SO FUCKING LAME

[mht]

that's a fucking blast beat you idiot lol

[Hey Kevin]

that's a fucking blast beat you idiot lol
not a blast beat but i did say what you do worng
cymbal and kick together then snare
play really fast

fast beat
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blast beat you hit the cymbal snare and kick at the same time but you hit the snare twice as much

but i could be wrong
thats just how ive known it and done it forever

[wesgemm08]

THAT BAND IS SO FUCKING LAME

Get off your elitist high horse.. Most fun live band out there

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[Hey Kevin]

Get off your elitist high horse.. Most fun live band out there

JzFiK7MlzDA


yeah i dont deny that but you said they were "too good"
which was probably a little sarcastic
but dude, party thrash like Municipal Waste and Cross Examination is so lame
im not elitist, im just know stuff cause i like music

[born to expire]

yeah i dont deny that but you said they were "too good"
which was probably a little sarcastic
but dude, party thrash like Municipal Waste and Cross Examination is so lame
im not elitist, im just know stuff cause i like music

you posted a video of two kids in alien costumes banging on keyboards. don't try to tell me you know what is and is not lame.

[born to expire]

seiing integrity friday..

same.

[Hey Kevin]

you posted a video of two kids in alien costumes banging on keyboards. don't try to tell me you know what is and is not lame.

they were in their twenties then, playing a homecoming of a school they never went to
haha

but their music is very sophisticated (Yip Yip not MW)
even though MW has some good guitar players, the music is just lame to me
cheesy party thrash man

[born to expire]

they were in their twenties then, playing a homecoming of a school they never went to
haha

but their music is very sophisticated (Yip Yip not MW)
even though MW has some good guitar players, the music is just lame to me
cheesy party thrash man

I've never heard of Yip Yip, but that video was awful. MW isn't reinventing the wheel but they are a pretty good band. At least what they are playing is audible.

[iHATEapril]

nice. where at?

Sonar in Baltimore with Pulling Teeth. It's going to fucking rule.

[Hey Kevin]

I've never heard of Yip Yip, but that video was awful. MW isn't reinventing the wheel but they are a pretty good band. At least what they are playing is audible.
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better/newer yip yip live

[EatItSucka]

Shadows fall.

[SubrosaSeductiv]

hahahahahahaha

thank you for that one

A breakdown doesn't necessarily have to be a chugging metalcore type deal. A song containing a breakdown does not automatically make it the metalcore genre. Brand New fucking has a breakdown in The Shower Scene. New Found Glory has breakdowns. Have Heart. None of which are metalcore.

[Colorblind!]

My Friends Over You breakdown rules.

[born to expire]

A breakdown doesn't necessarily have to be a chugging metalcore type deal. A song containing a breakdown does not automatically make it the metalcore genre. Brand New fucking has a breakdown in The Shower Scene. New Found Glory has breakdowns. Have Heart. None of which are metalcore.

hahahaha


Anything else you'd like to teach me today?

[ThemChains]

Breakdownzzzzzzzzzzzz! 101.

[kieren legacy]

cannabis corpse!!!!!

[JimGray]

no but 1,143 of yours secretly screams it to anyone with working eyeballs that reads what you write.

Hahahahahaaha, ily.

hahahaha


Anything else you'd like to teach me today?

Do you have to be a dick?

[born to expire]

Do you have to be a dick?

Considering his post was abrasive, and I never said anything he thinks I said... yes. I'd say that was pretty fair on my part.

[squillzposi]

old murder practice

[mht]

i forget but, you aren't trying to say Yip Yip is a crossover band I hope, if so, get the fuck out of here and go take a shower

[Hey Kevin]

i forget but, you aren't trying to say Yip Yip is a crossover band I hope, if so, get the fuck out of here and go take a shower

no i just posted it as a joke and some dude got all PC about it.

there name is a crossover
like the yip yips from sesame street but the first Yip is switched with the second Yip

[mht]

that's irrelevant to the thread, that fucking band should be no where near this thread actually.

[kieren legacy]

cannabis corpse!!!! fucking shweed

[SubrosaSeductiv]

Considering his post was abrasive, and I never said anything he thinks I said... yes. I'd say that was pretty fair on my part.

Considering: regardless of what side you were on of the original post stating that breakdowns are only encompassed within metalcore, the sarcastic "wit" you used in response isn't applicable to my post. If you were in agreement with the original statement, then my point proved yours wrong and therefore you shouldn't be a whiney prick about being wrong. If you were being sarcastic towards him and disagreeing then my point was in agreement with yours once again negating any real reason to be such a sardonic ass.

[born to expire]

Considering: regardless of what side you were on of the original post stating that breakdowns are only encompassed within metalcore, the sarcastic "wit" you used in response isn't applicable to my post. If you were in agreement with the original statement, then my point proved yours wrong and therefore you shouldn't be a whiney prick about being wrong. If you were being sarcastic towards him and disagreeing then my point was in agreement with yours once again negating any real reason to be such a sardonic ass.

EDIT: my original post was unnecessarily mean. i know what a breakdown is, you misread what i wrote or meant to quote someone else. end of story.

[Jumpoff]

Considering: regardless of what side you were on of the original post stating that breakdowns are only encompassed within metalcore, the sarcastic "wit" you used in response isn't applicable to my post. If you were in agreement with the original statement, then my point proved yours wrong and therefore you shouldn't be a whiney prick about being wrong. If you were being sarcastic towards him and disagreeing then my point was in agreement with yours once again negating any real reason to be such a sardonic ass.

For what it's worth, I never said metalcore was the only genre with breakdowns, I just said I dont think anything with a breakdown is hardcore..

[NEP633]

....but you're wrong.

[SubrosaSeductiv]

For what it's worth, I never said metalcore was the only genre with breakdowns, I just said I dont think anything with a breakdown is hardcore..

You do know the genre much better than myself. What would you consider a band like Have Heart?

I know hardcore in essence takes any musical structure (i.e. verse, chorus, bridge, breakdown, whatever) and throws it out the window, but all of that shit are guidelines versus a rule, I feel.

In your post you said that if you are listening to anything and it has a breakdown it's most likely metalcore. Throughout this dysfunctional argument I think we all worded our expression incorrectly.

[SubrosaSeductiv]

Sonar in Baltimore with Pulling Teeth. It's going to fucking rule.

Shit Mike, when I read this I thought you were playing with Pulling Teeth.

[Jumpoff]

You do know the genre much better than myself. What would you consider a band like Have Heart?

I know hardcore in essence takes any musical structure (i.e. verse, chorus, bridge, breakdown, whatever) and throws it out the window, but all of that shit are guidelines versus a rule, I feel.

In your post you said that if you are listening to anything and it has a breakdown it's most likely metalcore. Throughout this dysfunctional argument I think we all worded our expression incorrectly.

I said if it sounds hardcore and it had breakdowns it's probably metalcore, but I really know jack shit about anything so taking my word on something is a bad idea. I do listen to a good amount of what's considered hardcore, but that really doesn't mean I know anything when it comes to knowing what actually constitutes the genre.

I don't like Have Heart so can't say really.

[Mikeyx1230]

Deathcore has a lot of breakdowns as well.
Bunch of shit in my opinion.

Anyway, why did the guy say metal/hardcore crossover?
Its just called Metalcore isnt it?
Anyway, really only the 90's/early 00's Metalcore is worth listening to.
Converge, Zao, Botch, Earth Crisis, skycamefalling, 7 angels 7 plagues.

[Divinehand]

Deathcore has a lot of breakdowns as well.
Bunch of shit in my opinion.

Anyway, why did the guy say metal/hardcore crossover?
Its just called Metalcore isnt it?
Anyway, really only the 90's/early 00's Metalcore is worth listening to.
Converge, Zao, Botch, Earth Crisis, skycamefalling, 7 angels 7 plagues.
Cause I changed my mind on the genre but forgot to change the title.
If I was going based on the titled topic, I'd say Ringworm or Municpal Waste.

[Mikeyx1230]

Cause I changed my mind on the genre but forgot to change the title.
If I was going based on the titled topic, I'd say Ringworm or Municpal Waste.

Municipal Waste are Crossover Thrash.

[born to expire]

I know hardcore in essence takes any musical structure (i.e. verse, chorus, bridge, breakdown, whatever) and throws it out the window, but all of that shit are guidelines versus a rule, I feel.



Hardcore is so generic for the most part, what are you talking about? How does it throw musical structure out the window??

[Divinehand]

Municipal Waste are Crossover Thrash.
Trash is a form of speed metal.

[SubrosaSeductiv]

Hardcore is so generic for the most part, what are you talking about? How does it throw musical structure out the window??

Well I mean from what I know the original bands who were considered hardcore denied musical structure. It's a fairly simple concept.

[born to expire]

Well I mean from what I know the original bands who were considered hardcore denied musical structure. It's a fairly simple concept.

You are wrong, but whatever you say.

[born to expire]

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2JXLM8fS2jU

Just because this is fast doesn't mean it denies musical structure.

[Jumpoff]

Void was awesome. Didn't the drummer recently die or something?

[SubrosaSeductiv]

You are wrong, but whatever you say.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2JXLM8fS2jU

Just because this is fast doesn't mean it denies musical structure.

There is no musical progression there. Sorry holmes. I'm speaking of a well distinguished verse to chorus progression. I never experienced hardcore live and I've never spoken to anyone who was in a hardcore band, nor have I ever spoke to the founders of it. I do know that I've read plenty about it and that in a lot of articles they speak of not following the structure of a song because hardcore isn't meant to be structured.

I'm no musical genius, but that video you linked me of Void doesn't really display anything toward your side of the argument.

[born to expire]

There is no musical progression there. Sorry holmes. I'm speaking of a well distinguished verse to chorus progression. I never experienced hardcore live and I've never spoken to anyone who was in a hardcore band, nor have I ever spoke to the founders of it. I do know that I've read plenty about it and that in a lot of articles they speak of not following the structure of a song because hardcore isn't meant to be structured.

I'm no musical genius, but that video you linked me of Void doesn't really display anything toward your side of the argument.

There is a well distinguished verse to chorus progression (among other things), that's my point.

Also if all of those things are true, stop acting like you know what you are talking about. If you were trying to tell me that later Black Flag (for example) was devoid of musical structure, I'd say OK... you have a valid point.

[SubrosaSeductiv]

There is a well distinguished verse to chorus progression (among other things), that's my point.

Also if all of those things are true, stop acting like you know what you are talking about. If you were trying to tell me that later Black Flag (for example) was devoid of musical structure, I'd say OK... you have a valid point.

My mistake I was speaking of being around hardcore when it was first getting started. Obviously I've been to a lot of "hardcore" shows local and national (Comeback Kid, Verse, etc.), but I'm speaking of earlier hardcore bands like Void.

Could you point out the distinct choruses for me? I will gladly concede if so. This is only something I've read and heard from other people, so obviously the validity of it may be nil.

Like I've said I'm no musical genius, but I know my fair share of Theory and I couldn't find anything in there.

[born to expire]

My mistake I was speaking of being around hardcore when it was first getting started. Obviously I've been to a lot of "hardcore" shows local and national (Comeback Kid, Verse, etc.), but I'm speaking of earlier hardcore bands like Void.

Could you point out the distinct choruses for me? I will gladly concede if so. This is only something I've read and heard from other people, so obviously the validity of it may be nil.

Like I've said I'm no musical genius, but I know my fair share of Theory and I couldn't find anything in there.

Verse and CBK have a ton of musical structure in their songs.

Let's see... as far as this Void song? You have an intro, a verse ("I wake up and I see you every day..."), a chorus ("so who are you? why am I here?"), a little break before another verse, another chorus, a break, another verse, chorus, etc.

[SubrosaSeductiv]

Verse and CBK have a ton of musical structure in their songs.

Let's see... as far as this Void song? You have an intro, a verse ("I wake up and I see you every day..."), a chorus ("so who are you? why am I here?"), a little break before another verse, another chorus, a break, another verse, chorus, etc.

Hahah I hate to be such a stickler, but it seems linear with no repetition is what I'm saying. Choruses generally have a circular repeated type deal displaying the overall message of the song, whereas verses tend to stray a bit but are the linear almost tale of a song. Obviously it's not the same thing over and over and over again. But hardcore I could've sworn purposely doesn't structure their music to immitate the messages indicated by the music which is generally not very organized.

I guess this is something that I just have stuck in my head. Let's get back to the topic at hand.

[kieren legacy]

has anyone heard gfk if not you should

[badlertuneup]

Coalesce.
Botch.
Converge.

[kieren legacy]

does suicide scilence count?

[_><_]

Botch.

[kieren legacy]

i dont get this!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!1:whin e:

[Blueskyburning]

dri
septic death
cryptic slaughter
sss
s.o.d.
crumbsuckers
later agnostic front
leeway
excel
attitude adjustment
wehrmacht

ya ya

[bard]

ZAO is the best by far

[Anderson]

does suicide scilence count?
If the question is can you name a terrible band.

[JunBringer]

I have to agree with Coalesce and Converge.

[EatItSucka]

I like the album "The war within" from Shadows fall. The last song on the CD "Those who cannot speak" is worth checking out.

[JunBringer]

I like the album "The war within" from Shadows fall. The last song on the CD "Those who cannot speak" is worth checking out.

I agree about the album. It's one of their best. The new one is ok, but not quite as good overall. The first track is really good though.