I mean seriously, we are the fucking champions?

[Andy]

When the hell did Billy Joe Armstrong's ego become so big that his emo haircut can't contain it? OK, I won't bash American Idiot, even if it was an abomination, but Im watching their new video now (When September Ends, if the chorus is anything to go by), where theyre badmouthing american soldiers, and portay the band as saviours, standing on pillars with white light shining out behind them. And if this isn't enough, they've started ending their live shows by playing We Are the Champions.

Please, middle class America, shut this guy the fuck up before he runs for office.

[Mark is God]

SUP Andy.

[Andy]

Im angry, as usual.

[Fullcollapse3k]

They probably butcher We Are the Champions.

[Chemical Love]

I havent seen the video yet.

[Mark is God]

Im angry, as usual.
Why aren't you on here or lm much anymo?

[when 4ever ends]

hes like michael moore

[Andy]

Why aren't you on here or lm much anymo?
Didn't really like it, don't really post much. Hence the "retired".

[Alex Djaferis]

hahaha. i love green day.

but yeah. they have big ego's. can you blame them? they get their asses kissed everywhere.

[Mark is God]

Didn't really like it, don't really post much. Hence the "retired".
k.

[Andy]

can you blame them?
That's exactly what Im doing.

[aminorthreat55]

They've been doing this for a while now. At least a year or so.

[yayitsdale]

Wow... makes me even more disappointed in Green Day. Didn't think it was possible.

[Alex Djaferis]

as far as i know theyve been playing we are the champions for more then a year.

[WasteMyTime]

hahaha. i love green day.

but yeah. they have big ego's. can you blame them? they get their asses kissed everywhere.
they deserve it

have you heard "image of the invisible" yet? it's AMAZING!

[Andy]

as far as i know theyve been playing we are the champions for more then a year.
Does that justify it? No.

What's next, Good Charlotte playing Back in Black?

[PunkDrums182]

When the hell did Billy Joe Armstrong's ego become so big that his emo haircut can't contain it? OK, I won't bash American Idiot, even if it was an abomination, but Im watching their new video now (When September Ends, if the chorus is anything to go by), where theyre badmouthing american soldiers, and portay the band as saviours, standing on pillars with white light shining out behind them. And if this isn't enough, they've started ending their live shows by playing We Are the Champions.

Please, middle class America, shut this guy the fuck up before he runs for office.
Did you hear how he said that the song "boulevard of broken dreams" was the next "Bohemian Rhapsody" or something like that. He shouldn't even compare Bohemian rhapsody to any songs they've ever made. I liked their older stuff. But their new cd is terrible.

[GoodCoreRecords]

I can't take a band seriously, like would be required for real listening of American Idiot, when they've releases albums entitled "Kerplunk" and "Dookie." Just can't do it. I like everything up to, not including, American Idiot. That was fun, smart-ass pop punk. They did that well.

[WasteMyTime]

yes whine about green day...they're on top...deal with it. They know they can be pricks and no one can honestly say shit to them...half the bands we see on TV wouldn't have gotten where they are w/o green day...green day killed grunge (thank God)...and honestly, if you were them and you see bands like simple plan, NFG, and blink who get so much fame even though they have half the talent as you...you'd get pissed and you'd start saying shit. That actually doesn't have to do with this...but whatever, it's just a band...if you don't like it, either do something or turn off the radio...no one is making you listen to em.

[GoodCoreRecords]

green day killed grunge (thank God)

You're not serious with that little bit are you? I'm not the biggest fan of Grunge or Alternative or whatever you want to call it but "Dookie" came out right at the same time, basically and was played right along side Grunge on most radio stations. I'd say it was more lumped together than anything else.

[WasteMyTime]

You're not serious with that little bit are you? I'm not the biggest fan of Grunge or Alternative or whatever you want to call it but "Dookie" came out right at the same time, basically and was played right along side Grunge on most radio stations. I'd say it was more lumped together than anything else.
no...dookie came out in the fall of 1994...grunge bands (Nirvana, Pearl Jam, Stone Temple Pilots, Soundgarden) were dominant during the period of 91-94....very few bands were still getting airplay in 94...and Dookie just put the final nail in the coffin.

[Andy]

yes whine about green day...they're on top...deal with it. They know they can be pricks and no one can honestly say shit to them..
Shut the fuck up.


..half the bands we see on TV wouldn't have gotten where they are w/o green day...green day killed grunge (thank God)
Bullshit on both points. Good job.

..and honestly, if you were them and you see bands like simple plan, NFG, and blink who get so much fame even though they have half the talent as you...you'd get pissed and you'd start saying shit.
Green Day have exactly the same amount of talent as those bands. Zero.

That actually doesn't have to do with this...but whatever, it's just a band...if you don't like it, either do something or turn off the radio...no one is making you listen to em
This is a discussion forum, dumbass.

[WasteMyTime]

yes, attack me...that'll solve it. I have no problem with it. I just don't care, I don't get why other people care so much. What is your complaining about this going to accomplish? A bunch of kids saying "ya man you're so right BJ is a ***"

[PunkDrums182]

yes whine about green day...they're on top...deal with it. They know they can be pricks and no one can honestly say shit to them...half the bands we see on TV wouldn't have gotten where they are w/o green day...green day killed grunge (thank God)...and honestly, if you were them and you see bands like simple plan, NFG, and blink who get so much fame even though they have half the talent as you...you'd get pissed and you'd start saying shit. That actually doesn't have to do with this...but whatever, it's just a band...if you don't like it, either do something or turn off the radio...no one is making you listen to em.
blink has half the talent? Blink has travis...

[TJ Wells]

isn't when september ends about his father?

[WasteMyTime]

blink has half the talent? Blink has travis...
blink has travis since Enema. Scott was a mediocre drummer at best.

[Andy]

yes, attack me...that'll solve it. I have no problem with it. I just don't care, I don't get why other people care so much. What is your complaining about this going to accomplish? A bunch of kids saying "ya man you're so right BJ is a ***"
You're about as hot as Osama on a warm summer night.

[GoodCoreRecords]

no...dookie came out in the fall of 1994...grunge bands (Nirvana, Pearl Jam, Stone Temple Pilots, Soundgarden) were dominant during the period of 91-94....very few bands were still getting airplay in 94...and Dookie just put the final nail in the coffin.

Alice in Chains released their self-titled album in '95 and released their Unplugged live in '96. Grunge hardly died off in '94. I distinctly remember half my high school class in '94 walking around in Nirvana, STP, or Soundgarden shirts. Grunge faded away after '96. However, it did not simply just disappear like hair metal.

[WasteMyTime]

You're about as hot as Osama on a warm summer night.
thanks sexy ;)

there's also the trash talk forum for threads like this.

Alice in Chains released their self-titled album in '95 and released their Unplugged live in '96. Grunge hardly died off in '94. I distinctly remember half my high school class in '94 walking around in Nirvana, STP, or Soundgarden shirts. Grunge faded away after '96. However, it did not simply just disappear like hair metal.
point taken...my guess is that grunge woulda lingered around longer without Dookie coming into play.

[AShannon04]

Shut the fuck up.


Bullshit on both points. Good job.


Green Day have exactly the same amount of talent as those bands. Zero.


This is a discussion forum, dumbass.

you're a retard

[WasteMyTime]

you're a retard
it is on now!

[burnburnburn]

blink has half the talent? Blink has travis...
Um, Green Day has Tre Cool.

[WasteMyTime]

Um, Green Day has Tre Cool.
Travis>Tre

but

Billie>>>>>Tom
Mike>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>Mark Hoppus

[burnburnburn]

Travis>Tre

but

Billie>>>>>Tom
Mike>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>Mark Hoppus
Travis isn't as amazing as everyone makes him out to be. Tre is much better than everyone doesn't make him out to be. And I'd say that yes, Travis is better, but not that much really.

So that would mean that yes, Green Day is more talented than Blink 182.

[workinclasshero]

Green Day has done a good job of making songs that require little skill to play and are still catchy. I think American Idiot is terrible myself, but I'm not a real big fan of political bands.

[marrost]

Travis needs to tone down the fucking fills.

[mondeoman]

When the hell did Billy Joe Armstrong's ego become so big that his emo haircut can't contain it? OK, I won't bash American Idiot, even if it was an abomination, but Im watching their new video now (When September Ends, if the chorus is anything to go by), where theyre badmouthing american soldiers, and portay the band as saviours, standing on pillars with white light shining out behind them. And if this isn't enough, they've started ending their live shows by playing We Are the Champions.

Please, middle class America, shut this guy the fuck up before he runs for office.
I <3 you. Yeah Green Day has become a joke. American Idiot is horrible. They could have made it awesome but it comes off as a piece of turd that sounds like a desperate attempt to become more mainstream. Looks like the Bay Area punk scene's fears of 1994 have come true a decade later.

[Andy]

you're a retard
And what does that have to do with anything?

Hey Erich, I got the OC dvd's last night.

[Mark is God]

Looks like the Bay Area punk scene's fears of 1994 have come true a decade later.

And now our scene has turned into a bunch of christian hardcore bands. :(

Even Green Day is better than this shit.

[FenixIgnition]

Travis>Tre

but

Billie>>>>>Tom
Mike>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>Mark Hoppus
You know, Billie Joe gets way too much credit for what little he does. Sure, he can write catchy songs, but hes playing just makes me sick. The thing about Tom is that he creates insanely good, although very simple verse riffs and of course power chords for most of the choruses. But with Billie, hell he pretty much power chords his way through a whole song with a couple of palm mutes in there to break it up. And of course in the past few years they got that back up guitar player to actually play the songs while Billie Joe pretty much uses the guitar as a necklace that has the volume set to 3. I mean play your own damn songs, either that or make the back up guitarist part of the band, or at least freaking give him credit every once in awhile. Thats really what pisses me off, I guess because I see it from a guitarists point of view.

[marrost]

You know, Billie Joe gets way too much credit for what little he does. Sure, he can write catchy songs, but hes playing just makes me sick. The thing about Tom is that he creates insanely good, although very simple verse riffs and of course power chords for most of the choruses. But with Billie, hell he pretty much power chords his way through a whole song with a couple of palm mutes in there to break it up. And of course in the past few years they got that back up guitar player to actually play the songs while Billie Joe pretty much uses the guitar as a necklace that has the volume set to 3. I mean play your own damn songs, either that or make the back up guitarist part of the band, or at least freaking give him credit every once in awhile. Thats really what pisses me off, I guess because I see it from a guitarists point of view.
You think the back up guitarist doesn't know what he's there for? He's obviously fine with his position in the band.

[Andy]

while Billie Joe pretty much uses the guitar as a necklace that has the volume set to 3.
Haha. Good shit.

[FenixIgnition]

You think the back up guitarist doesn't know what he's there for? He's obviously fine with his position in the band.
Oh yeah, I know that. But people actually think he is playing the solo in Holiday live, yes, although these people know nothing about instruments, I hear it a lot. Because he sells it as if is, of course you would obviously know if you ever played guitar, but some people dont get it.

[AShannon04]

They could have made it awesome but it comes off as a piece of turd that sounds like a desperate attempt to become more mainstream.

I don't understand how you can say that. 9 minute songs? Songs broken into 5 "chapters"? A concept record? An album bashing much of our own way of life? If they wanted to be more mainstream, they could've just made another Warning.

[burnburnburn]

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v102/iHEARTthrice/untitled.bmp

[WasteMyTime]

You know, Billie Joe gets way too much credit for what little he does. Sure, he can write catchy songs, but hes playing just makes me sick. The thing about Tom is that he creates insanely good, although very simple verse riffs and of course power chords for most of the choruses. But with Billie, hell he pretty much power chords his way through a whole song with a couple of palm mutes in there to break it up. And of course in the past few years they got that back up guitar player to actually play the songs while Billie Joe pretty much uses the guitar as a necklace that has the volume set to 3. I mean play your own damn songs, either that or make the back up guitarist part of the band, or at least freaking give him credit every once in awhile. Thats really what pisses me off, I guess because I see it from a guitarists point of view.
play your own damn songs? Ok..have you listened to the song "what's my age again" then surely you know the power chord riffs...have you listened to the song "When I come around"...compare the two and you'll see that they're exactly alike...except one came five years later...play your own damn songs...gimme a break. And what about his acoustic work? Time of Your Life will always be remembered by society...I don't know any acoustic work of Tom's that can match that. And that song is just what...three chords...that's what makes him far more amazing...he works with what little he's got. He also has occasional "solos"...although they're not talented...It's more than what Tom does in my opinion. Also, he's a much better vocalist than Tom Delonge and he's able to reproduce the same sound during their live set....two things Tom cannot do. Overall Billie Joe is more talented when it comes to musicianship...he just pisses a lot of people off.

[AShannon04]

I mean play your own damn songs, either that or make the back up guitarist part of the band, or at least freaking give him credit every once in awhile. Thats really what pisses me off, I guess because I see it from a guitarists point of view.
I think he's been asked in the past whether he wanted to officially be in the band, but he turned it down.

[WasteMyTime]

I don't understand how you can say that. 9 minute songs? Songs broken into 5 "chapters"? A concept record? An album bashing much of our own way of life? If they wanted to be more mainstream, they could've just made another Warning.
that's what I often see...people hate on American Idiot cause it's "political"...soundwise I see nothing wrong with it...I think it's an improvement from Warning.

[SicTrnsitGloria]

And now our scene has turned into a bunch of christian hardcore bands. :(

Even Green Day is better than this shit.
haha...lets not get back into that discussion...

[WasteMyTime]

Travis needs to tone down the fucking fills.
he can't...he has to make up for the lack of talent in the rest of the band by doing drum solos upside down.

[marrost]

he can't...he has to make up for the lack of talent in the rest of the band by doing drum solos upside down.
You don't stay popular for almost 10 years without some form of talent. Good pop songwriting is talent, regardless of wether Mark and Tom can shred.

[aminorthreat55]

that's what I often see...people hate on American Idiot cause it's "political"...soundwise I see nothing wrong with it...I think it's an improvement from Warning.
It's not even that political. It's just a social commentary and politics are part of every day life. If he wanted to be overtly political he had quite a ways to go to get there.

[burnburnburn]

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v102/iHEARTthrice/untitled.bmp

[mondeoman]

And what does that have to do with anything?

Hey Erich, I got the OC dvd's last night.
haha sweet. You enjoying them?

I'm saying mainstream based on the singles they have released for this album. A lot of the songs have a lot more chorus parts than they need to. The guitars sound very predictable and cliche. And you know exactly how the song is supposed to go.

[FenixIgnition]

play your own damn songs? Ok..have you listened to the song "what's my age again" then surely you know the power chord riffs...have you listened to the song "When I come around"...compare the two and you'll see that they're exactly alike...except one came five years later...play your own damn songs...gimme a break. And what about his acoustic work? Time of Your Life will always be remembered by society...I don't know any acoustic work of Tom's that can match that. And that song is just what...three chords...that's what makes him far more amazing...he works with what little he's got. He also has occasional "solos"...although they're not talented...It's more than what Tom does in my opinion. Also, he's a much better vocalist than Tom Delonge and he's able to reproduce the same sound during their live set....two things Tom cannot do. Overall Billie Joe is more talented when it comes to musicianship...he just pisses a lot of people off.
I dont think you got the playing your own songs, Im talking about Billie Joe not playing the majority of the guitar riffs in the songs. But yes, both are extremely similar, not was arguing that though. And I definately agree with Time of your life, thats a great song made with a very simple structure. But this was when Green Day was great and how they were supposed to be, not like this American Idiot junk. But I still dont agree on Billie Joe's musicianship, he just doesnt have much at all. Although he definately has great songwriting skills, its not the same.

[WasteMyTime]

You don't stay popular for almost 10 years without some form of talent. Good pop songwriting is talent, regardless of wether Mark and Tom can shred.
they lack musical talent...that's something you can't deny...but they're the best at making good, catchy tunes you can bob your head to.

[PunkDrums182]

blink has travis since Enema. Scott was a mediocre drummer at best.
Scott wasnt very good. But Blink now has more talent than greenday now, in my opinion anyway.

[WasteMyTime]

I dont think you got the playing your own songs, Im talking about Billie Joe not playing the majority of the guitar riffs in the songs. But yes, both are extremely similar, not was arguing that though. And I definately agree with Time of your life, thats a great song made with a very simple structure. But this was when Green Day was great and how they were supposed to be, not like this American Idiot junk. But I still dont agree on Billie Joe's musicianship, he just doesnt have much at all. Although he definately has great songwriting skills, its not the same.
point taken. I mean, the man plays his own work...he can play every riff on every album cause he writes all the riffs...From what I remember he wanted to work more on his vocals that's why they had the other guy? And I mean...that guy being around really doesn't change the band much...before he was there Green Day was still doing great work. I think if you look at it overall...Billie Joe can write better songs than Tom.

[marrost]

Scott wasnt very good. But Blink now has more talent than greenday now, in my opinion anyway.
Talent isn't based on opinion. And you are very wrong.

[WasteMyTime]

Scott wasnt very good. But Blink now has more talent than greenday now, in my opinion anyway.
drumwise yes...but not by too much...you can't even compare Mark to Mike...honestly, Mark wrote better bass lines before Enema...and I still feel that Billie Joe edges out Tom.

[workinclasshero]

they lack musical talent...that's something you can't deny...but they're the best at making good, catchy tunes you can bob your head to.
Funny your screen name is wastemytime and that is precisely what you are doing right now with these posts. Think about it, it requires musical talent to write catchy pop tunes. Maybe you could say they lack creativity, but they do have musical talent.

[WasteMyTime]

Funny your screen name is wastemytime and that is precisely what you are doing right now with these posts. Think about it, it requires musical talent to write catchy pop tunes. Maybe you could say they lack creativity, but they do have musical talent.
yes yes har har...I hate my user name and I want my old one back.

What I'm saying is that if you asked Green Day and blink 182 to learn identical songs...Green Day could do it faster and better.

Also, did you ever consider the fact that Green Day mighta covered "We are the champions" as respect for Queen seeing as that's the reason why most covers are done?

[Andy]

Also, did you ever consider the fact that Green Day mighta covered "We are the champions" as respect for Queen seeing as that's the reason why most covers are done?
Hehehe, no, seriously.

[workinclasshero]

yes yes har har...I hate my user name and I want my old one back.

What I'm saying is that if you asked Green Day and blink 182 to learn identical songs...Green Day could do it faster and better.

Also, did you ever consider the fact that Green Day mighta covered "We are the champions" as respect for Queen seeing as that's the reason why most covers are done?
Alright, I have no problem with that, and if you think Blink is overrated thats cool, you're prolly right, but give credit where credit is do. It is not logical to say that Blink has NO musical talent, agreed?

[WasteMyTime]

Alright, I have no problem with that, and if you think Blink is overrated thats cool, you're prolly right, but give credit where credit is do. It is not logical to say that Blink has NO musical talent, agreed?
I do give credit where it's due...I did that in one of my previous posts...and I never said they had zero talent..I said that in comparison to Green Day, blink has far less talent yet they receive more credit for that.

[Kid Kilowatt]

Freddie Mercury may be in hell, but he is happy that Green Day is covering his music, because Billy Joe is a better frontman.
Now, you may be asking yourself, "Why would Freddie Mercury be in hell?". The answer is because he's a gay.

[Andy]

Freddie Mercury may be in hell, but he is happy that Green Day is covering his music, because Billy Joe is a better frontman.
Shuttie, Chapelle.

[PunkDrums182]

You don't stay popular for almost 10 years without some form of talent. Good pop songwriting is talent, regardless of wether Mark and Tom can shred.
They are actually better then their music makes them out to be.

[Andy]

Admit it, you guys have missed my threads.

[Goodbye Forever]

they lack musical talent...that's something you can't deny...but they're the best at making good, catchy tunes you can bob your head to.

Last time I checked, being able to write melodies was part of having "musical talent". Just because they don't have songs with five minute guitar solos and salsa breakdowns doesn't mean they don't have talent.

[Greg]

green day does not bash soldiers. where did you get that shit?

they are on pillars..... what does that prove?

and yea the song is about his father dying. i dont get how this is bashing soldiers or anythign like that.

they have played we are the champs for a long time now. who cares.

jason white gets alot of recongition from green day. every show he gets introduced along with the rest of the new guys. and more recently he was even in the new music video. which he has never done before. so they are giving him spotlight and such.

blink 182 issue.... i liked blink first. BUT green day is far better. any musician can tell you that. but yea travis and tre could probably have a drum battle and tie. but bj and mike are way better than tom and mark.

also billie joe plays the guitar leads on wake me up, give me novacaine, and others from the new album live himself.

but to give respect to green day and blink..... i believe to really make it as a 3 piece you have to be a really good 3 piece. there are so many 5 pieces doing the same thing that blink and gd do with 3 at times. if you can pull it ogg 3 piece is the best way to go i think.


and i think thats all the BS in this thread.... damn

[Trainsaw]

blink 182 issue.... i liked blink first. BUT green day is far better. any musician can tell you that. but yea travis and tre could probably have a drum battle and tie. but bj and mike are way better than tom and mark.


travis would kill tre, seriously tre is an ok drummer but travis is insane

[Andy]

green day does not bash soldiers. where did you get that shit?

they are on pillars..... what does that prove?


1. They video makes it look like the army is the worst thing in the world, and that you're fucked if youre a soldier.
2. Standing on a pillar? Raising yourself above everyone else, maybe?
3. They write crappy pop songs. They should stay the hell away from Queen.
4. I don't give a shit about Blink either.

[de la sympathie]

nirvana's music was as big in the clubs - everywhere that played good music - as basket case or welcome to paradise ever was. really, green day put a nail in the coffin for punk music, they made it so poppy that the people they started playing with turned their backs on them for going mainstream and making their music as mainstream as themselves
that said, i used to like their older music... but i lost all respect for them when american idiot came out and the prick attitude set in.

No, I just think the'yre really anti-Bush and whatever he does.
they have their opinions. i dont really think they were talking about the army in general.

though, they have reasons to be anti-bush...

travis barker is da shiz, he could whoop tre's ass any day

Freddie Mercury may be in hell, but he is happy that Green Day is covering his music, because Billy Joe is a better frontman.
Now, you may be asking yourself, "Why would Freddie Mercury be in hell?". The answer is because he's a gay.

there were SO MANY problems with that whole statement, i'm not even gonna try to tell you because i think you know.

[burnburnburn]

travis would kill tre, seriously tre is an ok drummer but travis is insane
Ok???

No.

[Trainsaw]

Ok???

No.
i'd seriously like to hear the track that you've heard that shows tre is even half as good as travis.

[burnburnburn]

i'd seriously like to hear the track that you've heard that shows tre is even half as good as travis.
What Blink tracks showcase Travis' amazing drum skills?

It isn't a matter of one amazing song someone can write.

[Trainsaw]

What Blink tracks showcase Travis' amazing drum skills?

None.
Time to Break up
I'm Lost Without You
plus his ability to write different beats to simple "punk" music

[PunkDrums182]

What Blink tracks showcase Travis' amazing drum skills?

It isn't a matter of one amazing song someone can write.
if travis and tre were to have a drum battle there is no way you can tell me tre would tie with him.

[burnburnburn]

I edited it, because I didn't want to seem like I was trying to say Travis isn't a good dummer.

But anyways, I would say Travis is better, but I think Tre Cool is above okay.

if travis and tre were to have a drum battle there is no way you can tell me tre would tie with him.
Never said that.

[Trainsaw]

Tre cool is a good drummer but in a "drum battle" i don't think he could touch Travis, not saying travis is the best in the world but those two compared, tre hasn't shown me anything for me to think he's better

[AShannon04]

Freddie Mercury may be in hell, but he is happy that Green Day is covering his music, because Billy Joe is a better frontman.
Now, you may be asking yourself, "Why would Freddie Mercury be in hell?". The answer is because he's a gay.

haha

[Andy]

Hahahahahaha (http://www.absolutepunk.net/showthread.php?t=78320)

[CircaEnder]

Didn't really like it, don't really post much. Hence the "retired".
haha andy haha

[morte]

Tre cool is a good drummer but in a "drum battle" i don't think he could touch Travis, not saying travis is the best in the world but those two compared, tre hasn't shown me anything for me to think he's better
However I've always hated Tre and I'm starting to do it with Travis and his show and his "familia" stuff. We still have Alkaline Trio.

Hahahahahaha (http://www.absolutepunk.net/showthread.php?t=78320)
All their lifes waiting for that moment.

[Andy]

haha andy haha
Come again?