Tim Tebow

[gnarly sky]

I can't wait until he enters the NFL.
He is the definition for a college quarterback... only.

He doesn't pass like a Heisman QB, but he runs, which makes up for it. But when he runs, he doesn't have any real running skills, he is just big.

But that won't pass in the NFL...

$5 says he flops as a NFL QB...

[Broken Parachute]

This was worth a thread.

[AshesAshes]

:-|

[livethesounds]

worst thread evar?

[gnarly sky]

This was worth a thread.

And that was worth a post...

[livethesounds]

sweet comeback

[bigmike]

This is a completely new and original thought. I hadn't looked at it this way. I guess you're right. Thank you for this perspective giving me a new range of knowledge that I'll take forward with me where ever I go. 100% worthwhile thread, would read again.

[Broken Parachute]

And that was worth a post...Thanks for noticing. In all seriousness, this was really, really pointless. We have an NCAA Football thread for a reason: so that people with opinions (such as the one in the original post) can be posted and discussed. There was no need to make a thread at all.

[crit]

Whoa, whoa, whoa, five bucks?! You must be REALLY sure you're correct if you're going way out on the limb and betting that kind of serious cash...

[Smithers]

who is this Tim Tebow you speak of? does he play for AC Milan?

[c_rob2700]

tebowner

[xbrokendownx]

tim tebow wont be shit in the NFL, youre right

that doesnt mean it deserved a thread

and wow $5...youre really putting oyurself out there with that one

[StandMyBrothers]

who is this Tim Tebow you speak of? does he play for AC Milan?
of course not. he's on loan from Gamba Osaka!

[livethesounds]

he sounds so unsure of everything with all the ...... after every sentence.

[hoods]

Thanks for noticing. In all seriousness, this was really, really pointless. We have an NCAA Football thread for a reason: so that people with opinions (such as the one in the original post) can be posted and discussed. There was no need to make a thread at all.

Okay, then if you think so, then don't post in it and shut up. Simple as that. Let the thread die.

[TEAMRAMROD]

who is this Tim Tebow you speak of? does he play for AC Milan?

AC Milan? i thought it was Chelsea

[hoods]

tim tebow wont be shit in the NFL, youre right

that doesnt mean it deserved a thread

and wow $5...youre really putting oyurself out there with that one

lmfao, nice edit.

You didn't want to look stupid too but putting your input in the thread.

"edit: that doesnt mean it deserved a thread"

[Broken Parachute]

Okay, then if you think so, then don't post in it and shut up. Simple as that. Let the thread die.No, I have to tell him so he doesn't waste anymore time cluttering the forums with retarded threads...so shut the fuck up and mind your business.

[livethesounds]

yea, mind your business.

[hoods]

No, I have to tell him so he doesn't waste anymore time cluttering the forums with retarded threads...so shut the fuck up and mind your business.

Mind your own business... in a forum?

hahahaha, omg. Didn't think retarded people were still allowed on the internet.

Well if this was a private matter that you cared so much about then maybe you should have given him a private message notifying him. But of course not, must increase that post count to make you feel like even more of a man.

Well, I gotta go. Please talking to you.

[xbrokendownx]

X-)

[Vincewithouthee]

El oh El

[Broken Parachute]

First of all, we aren't in a forum, we are on a forum...so I guess you're kind of a retard too. Second of all, having almost 60,000 posts does make me more of a man. I like to brag about it often. It gives me that extra boost every day when I wake up. It's what keeps me going.

[livethesounds]

Mind your own business... in a forum?

hahahaha, omg. Didn't think retarded people were still allowed on the internet.

Well if this was a private matter that you cared so much about then maybe you should have given him a private message notifying him. But of course not, must increase that post count to make you feel like even more of a man.

Well, I gotta go. Please talking to you.

is that some new saying i'm not familiar with?

[Broken Parachute]

It must have been some kind of new saying he learned while he was inside of the forum.

[bigmike]

When the kid who spelled 'ever' with an 'a' questions your grammar, you know you're dumb!

[livethesounds]

When the kid who spelled 'ever' with an 'a' questions your grammar, you know you're dumb!

haha, come on mike, everyone knows you spell "ever" "evAr" on the internets.

[bigmike]

haha, come on mike, everyone knows you spell "ever" "evAr" on the internets.
Maybe if you're a Texan.

[livethesounds]

haha, but seriously....

[CubbyNick42]

I can't wait until he enters the NFL.
He is the definition for a college quarterback... only.

He doesn't pass like a Heisman QB, but he runs, which makes up for it. But when he runs, he doesn't have any real running skills, he is just big.

But that won't pass in the NFL...

$5 says he flops as a NFL QB...
This is all moot. He'll be a tight end in the NFL.

/thread

[preppyak]

AC Milan? i thought it was Chelsea
I was stunned he played so well after crashing his car

[hoods]

First of all, we aren't in a forum, we are on a forum...so I guess you're kind of a retard too. Second of all, having almost 60,000 posts does make me more of a man. I like to brag about it often. It gives me that extra boost every day when I wake up. It's what keeps me going.

Haha, gotta get on that grammar.

That's all you have. But again, you avoid the issue. You're just trying to flame.

PS the sarcasm doesn't downplay the truth.

Goddamn, I didn't know people would scrap for anything to look like a bigger dude.
And no, I am not from Texas. I live in Boston and go to Tufts.

[hoods]

I was stunned he played so well after crashing his car

He would like to thank Jesus for saving him.

John 3:16, brah.

[andrew4045]

$5 you will never be half the man in your life that tim tebow is at age 21

[hoods]

$5 you will never be half the man in your life that tim tebow is at age 21

I would doubt that. Getting an education is greater than anything in this world.

All he does is breathe and live football and doesn't know anything about the real world.

$5 says you're the same as Tebow.

[Broken Parachute]

Haha, gotta get on that grammar.

That's all you have. But again, you avoid the issue. You're just trying to flame.

PS the sarcasm doesn't downplay the truth.

Goddamn, I didn't know people would scrap for anything to look like a bigger dude.
And no, I am not from Texas. I live in Boston and go to Tufts.LOL what issue? And he wasn't talking about you jackass. livethesounds is from Texas.

[J.C.]

He'll be a gimmicky player at the next level.

[gnarly sky]

All you guys need to get on topic. I am talking about how overrated he is.
If you have nothing to say, then leave "the forum."
Do all of you take pleasure in arguing or tryig to "own" people over the internet?
Broken, get a life. Hoods, learn how to spell (if that is a real insult?).

Shit... get a fucking life. Grow up.

Anyways, the win tonight further proves that Tebow will get more credit than he will ever deserve.

[gnarly sky]

He'll be a gimmicky player at the next level.

And, can I thank you for putting input on the actual topic of the thread?

[Broken Parachute]

LOL get on topic.

[gnarly sky]

LOL what issue? And he wasn't talking about you jackass. livethesounds is from Texas.

Oh my god. Stop it, please. Grow up and drop it. There are so many bigger things in life to argue and feel sooo passionate about.

You both lost at whatever you're arguing about.

Talk about Tebow or get the fuck out.

[Scott Weber]

Everyone knows he's not going to be an NFL star, or even a starter. I don't think there's a serious sports fan that thinks he will be. And so what? Does that make him any less of an amazing college QB? No. There's no reason to take away from what he's accomplished.

[hoods]

LOL what issue? And he wasn't talking about you jackass. livethesounds is from Texas.

Whats with the names? Getting angry?

The issue that you totally approached the situation the wrong way. You flexed your muscle and tried to call him out for your own pleasure and mighty post count. You know it, so drop it.

[speakhandsforme]

What is said is true, in my mind. I also cannot see Tebow translating to the NFL, which is an opinion that has been disagreed with in prior conversations.

With that said, $5? Come on.

[gnarly sky]

Everyone knows he's not going to be an NFL star, or even a starter. I don't think there's a serious sports fan that thinks he will be. And so what? Does that make him any less of an amazing college QB? No. There's no reason to take away from what he's accomplished.

Aww, come on. He is like Tom Brady. An average QB with a great team that makes him look good.

And I just said $5 just to make a statement. I don't even have $5...

[speakhandsforme]

Aww, come on. He is like Tom Brady. An average QB with a great team that makes him look good.

And I just said $5 just to make a statement. I don't even have $5...

The hole is getting deeper. Neither of the mentioned quarterbacks are average. Though both do benefit from an advantageous position, neither is merely average.

[gnarly sky]

The hole is getting deeper. Neither of the mentioned quarterbacks are average. Though both do benefit from an advantageous position, neither is merely average.

Put Tim Tebow on Duke or Tom Brady on the Lions, you think they will put up there regular numbers? Honestly.

[speakhandsforme]

Put Tim Tebow on Duke or Tom Brady on the Lions, you think they will put up there regular numbers? Honestly.

Hell, no: that's obvious. But, better yet, put Dan Orlovsky (an average NFL QB) on the Patriots and see if he throws fifty touchdowns. I don't think Brady is a top five QB of all-time, but he's clearly near the front of the pack in today's game.

Both benefit but neither can be easily replaced.

[Broken Parachute]

Oh my god. Stop it, please. Grow up and drop it. There are so many bigger things in life to argue and feel sooo passionate about.

You both lost at whatever you're arguing about.

Talk about Tebow or get the fuck out.Ummm...he replied to my post hours after I made it, so technically he started this back up again. And quit cursing, it's rude.

Whats with the names? Getting angry?

The issue that you totally approached the situation the wrong way. You flexed your muscle and tried to call him out for your own pleasure and mighty post count. You know it, so drop it.No, not true. If I had 20 posts and was here for five days I would still call him out on his retarded thread making abilities.

And if you read my second post, I was very polite in what I said. I simply mentioned we had a thread for discussion and that was it. You were the one who came in acting like a knight in shining armor for the original poster.

[Scott Weber]

Aww, come on. He is like Tom Brady. An average QB with a great team that makes him look good.

And I just said $5 just to make a statement. I don't even have $5...
he's not average. don't grade him on an NFL scale. grade him on what he does in college.

[gnarly sky]

Hell, no: that's obvious. But, better yet, put Dan Orlovsky (an average NFL QB) on the Patriots and see if he throws fifty touchdowns. I don't think Brady is a top five QB of all-time, but he's clearly near the front of the pack in today's game.

Both benefit but neither can be easily replaced.

Ahhh, good point.

Where would you put Brady? Not even top 20 for me... I feel that QBs like Matt Ryan on the Falcons are more of a MVP than Tom Brady. I don't know the name of the QB on the Pats now, but I know he didn't do half bad. Didn't he put up 700 plus yards in a mere two games?

[gnarly sky]

he's not average. don't grade him on an NFL scale. grade him on what he does in college.

Agreed. But don't you feel that Bradford is a better QB? But people will look at the bowl game and notice, "oh, man, Tebow should have gotten the Heisman."

But again, good point on what he does in college... even though I think his team makes him look good.

[Broken Parachute]

Oh, and to answer your original post...I think Tim Tebow is a fantastic quarterback and a great leader. Everyone knows he's not NFL material, like Scott said. However why is it so important after every college season for players to be ranked on their NFL ability? Let college and pro be different. Don't look at college football as the pre-NFL or whatever. Take it for what it is. He's a great college quarterback and that's all there is to it.

[speakhandsforme]

Ahhh, good point.

Where would you put Brady? Not even top 20 for me... I feel that QBs like Matt Ryan on the Falcons are more of a MVP than Tom Brady. I don't know the name of the QB on the Pats now, but I know he didn't do half bad. Didn't he put up 700 plus yards in a mere two games?

Matt Cassel (Brady's backup) did do fairly well but well-informed fans knew him to be a very talented player even before his name was called. Brady did benefit from talented teammates and a great system but, no matter how you see it, he's an NFL starter.

I would probably put Brady around #15 when speaking of all-time quarterbacks.

[gnarly sky]

Matt Cassel (Brady's backup) did do fairly well but well-informed fans knew him to be a very talented player even before his name was called. Brady did benefit from talented teammates and a great system but, no matter how you see it, he's an NFL starter.

I would probably put Brady around #15 when speaking of all-time quarterbacks.

Tell me Peyton is #1. He is magical. I am Lions fan and still I give cred to where its due.

[iihungrieii]

Tell me Peyton is #1. He is magical. I am Lions fan and still I give cred to where its due.

http://www.deadspin.com/sports/vinceyoung.gif

clearly #1

[gnarly sky]

Oh, and to answer your original post...I think Tim Tebow is a fantastic quarterback and a great leader. Everyone knows he's not NFL material, like Scott said. However why is it so important after every college season for players to be ranked on their NFL ability? Let college and pro be different. Don't look at college football as the pre-NFL or whatever. Take it for what it is. He's a great college quarterback and that's all there is to it.

I'll agree with the leader part. I saw his interview after the Ol' Miss loss, and even though cheesy, he does have a lot of passion.

But I believe NCAA transitions into NFL. There is no such thing as a Heisman winner not getting drafted, so there has to be some correlation. I believe if a player gets the Heisman, it should reflect on his ability in the NFL. Idk, if you get what I am saying...

[Broken Parachute]

I disagree. I think the Heisman is exactly what it should be...an award given to the best college football player, not the best college football player who is ready for the NFL.

[mht]

I disagree. I think the Heisman is exactly what it should be...an award given to the best college football player, not the best college football player who is ready for the NFL.


But, Andre Ware was ready for the NFL!

[acfrue]

great idea for a thread, its very possible that he does flop in the nfl. that said he is an amazing college quarterback and can be considered one of the best ever (even though it pains me to say that).

I disagree. I think the Heisman is exactly what it should be...an award given to the best college football player, not the best college football player who is ready for the NFL.

agreed, the heisman is/should be based on current talent, not on future potential.

[bigmike]

And, can I thank you for putting input on the actual topic of the thread?
No, you cannot thank him because this is a thread on Tim Tebow, not a thread to thank those discussing Tim Tebow.

[J.C.]

Matt Cassel did do fairly well but well-informed fans knew him to be a very talented player even before his name was called.

Cassel hadn't started a game since high school prior to this season. There was very much question of his talent before Brady went down and there's STILL legitimate question about how good he actually is.

[rcrook]

I'll agree with the leader part. I saw his interview after the Ol' Miss loss, and even though cheesy, he does have a lot of passion.

But I believe NCAA transitions into NFL. There is no such thing as a Heisman winner not getting drafted, so there has to be some correlation. I believe if a player gets the Heisman, it should reflect on his ability in the NFL. Idk, if you get what I am saying...


you ever heard of charlie ward?

[Broken Parachute]

Charlie Ward was a hell of an athlete.

[rcrook]

that is so crazy that he got drafted by the brewers when he didnt even play baseball in college

[Broken Parachute]

And supposedly he's an incredible tennis player.

[rcrook]

yeah it said he was a real good amateur. the fact that you're a top notch athlete in football, basketball, baseball and tennis is ridiculous. to win a heisman trophy and then to be like if i dont get drafted in the first 2 rounds, ill just go play in the nba, thats crazy.

[Broken Parachute]

I can't imagine what it's like to have all of those options open to me.

He coaches high school football or basketball now I think.

[rcrook]

he was a baketball coach then he got named football coach

[Broken Parachute]

It must be cool to have that talent.

I remember reading in an MLB.com article once that Mark DeRosa was a QB for UPenn...and before games he and Jeff Samardzija have a football catch to loosen up.

[FondestMemory]

All you guys need to get on topic. I am talking about how overrated he is.
If you have nothing to say, then leave "the forum."
Do all of you take pleasure in arguing or tryig to "own" people over the internet?
Broken, get a life. Hoods, learn how to spell (if that is a real insult?).

Shit... get a fucking life. Grow up.

Anyways, the win tonight further proves that Tebow will get more credit than he will ever deserve.

how the fuck is he overrated? he is going to go down as one of the best college football players ever. without a doubt.

in three years he has two national titles and a heisman trophy. not really sure how somebody with that kind of resume can be overrated.

to say he's overrated is fucking ridiculous.

Aww, come on. He is like Tom Brady. An average QB with a great team that makes him look good.

And I just said $5 just to make a statement. I don't even have $5...

this makes everything you say about football null and void, because you clearly have no idea what you're talking about.

you ever heard of charlie ward?

and jason white.

[LeftWideOpen]

this thread is all sorts of fail. i wish i had my last 5 minutes back.

at least i got paid for it.

[xbrokendownx]

All you guys need to get on topic. I am talking about how overrated he is.
If you have nothing to say, then leave "the forum."
Do all of you take pleasure in arguing or tryig to "own" people over the internet?
Broken, get a life. Hoods, learn how to spell (if that is a real insult?).

Shit... get a fucking life. Grow up.

Anyways, the win tonight further proves that Tebow will get more credit than he will ever deserve.




what the fuck are you talking about? the win tonight proves he is one of the best players in college history. period. how would he be getting more credit than he deserves?

[we are cured]

i'm with nick, i think if tebow can learn to effectively run-block he can be a really solid TE in the NFL. his leg drive is just unbelieveable.

[Spicoli hey bud]

I can't imagine what it's like to have all of those options open to me.

He coaches high school football or basketball now I think.
I bet he never lets the jews play.

[Scott Weber]

this is why we normally lock threads like this.

[preppyak]

Anyways, the win tonight further proves that Tebow will get more credit than he will ever deserve.
How? That is literally the dumbest thing I've heard in the wake of this game. A guy that threw 2 picks early and could have folded, but instead, had the mental toughness to back up his words and make some pretty awesome plays to win the game. His jump throw wasn't the wide open lob it normally is, but he completed it...he ran for at least 3 first downs where he could have been stopped 2-3yds short(and would have if he were Bradford/Stafford/etc),but he fought for the extra yards. Moreover, that team could have cashed in the season after Ole Miss, because the odds of being #1 and getting a BCS berth were low...instead, they blew out teams week in and out under his leadership.

His skill set as QB won't translate well...but, every intangible he has will absolutely make him a viable player in whatever position he plays. I genuinely don't believe there is anything that Tebow couldn't do if he put his mind to it. The guy gives definition to all those tired cliches sports announcers use.

[LeftWideOpen]

Tebow took over in the 4th quarter last night.

I think Harvin was the MVP, though. Every time he touched the ball, they gained substantial yardage. I know people are skeptical of the hybrid WR/RB types, but he is going to be a great pro regardless,

[speakhandsforme]

Tell me Peyton is #1. He is magical. I am Lions fan and still I give cred to where its due.

No, I put Graham, Unitas, Favre, and Marino above Peyton.

[xbrokendownx]

Favre is/was not better than Peyton Manning IMO

[jbaseball44]

No, I put Graham, Unitas, Favre, and Marino above Peyton.
Give me Peyton over Favre anyday

[RedWineSheets]

Bradford wont do any better.

[Smithers]

Bradford wont do any better.
wrong.

[Scott Weber]

Bradford wont do any better.
yeah, that's really, really wrong.

[acfrue]

It must be cool to have that talent.

I remember reading in an MLB.com article once that Mark DeRosa was a QB for UPenn...and before games he and Jeff Samardzija have a football catch to loosen up.

yea, the game i went to this year they were tossing a football around in the outfield, priceless.

[Broken Parachute]

Bradford is the most accurate quarterback in college football.

[acfrue]

Bradford wont do any better.

haha, suuuuuure.

[CarlosLunes]

sam bradford STINKS

[RedWineSheets]

bradford=matt leinart=jason white

[Scott Weber]

bradford=matt leinart=jason white
wow.

[Recovery Room]

Bradford wont do any better.
bradford=matt leinart=jason white
Is this for real?

[acfrue]

bradford=matt leinart=jason white

oof :hitself:

[RedWineSheets]

bradford is your typical system college qb, has he ever put his hands under the center? every play he looks to the sidelines for the audible, this will not fly in an nfl type offense. bradford is lucky to have played weak defenses all season which inflates his numbers and when he finally plays a great defense, he crumbles. he has alot to learn and he will not be an instant matt ryan.

[Scott Weber]

bradford is your typical system college qb, has he ever put his hands under the center? every play he looks to the sidelines for the audible, this will not fly in an nfl type offense. bradford is lucky to have played weak defenses all season which inflates his numbers and when he finally plays a great defense, he crumbles. he has alot to learn and he will not be an instant matt ryan.
It's not about performance. If you think performance has anything to do with his future, you're wrong. He's got the tools and accuracy to succeed, and the smarts to adjust. It's not like you have some inside scoop on Bradford that scouts don't - there's a reason he's going top 10 in all mock drafts, and #1 in many.

[Broken Parachute]

First of all, not many good college QB's are "instant Matt Ryans" in the first place because they typically get drafted to bad teams, so that's pointless to argue. Second of all, what game were you watching last night? He played really well. I don't get how you can say he "crumbled" when he completed 65% of his passes and grabbed 250 yards against a really good defense. He was accurate too, as always. Maybe it wasn't his best effort...but his performance in that game has little to do with what the scouts see in him. He has the arm, the poise, the build, and the accuracy to become an NFL quarterback.

[acfrue]

First of all, not many good college QB's are "instant Matt Ryans" in the first place because they typically get drafted to bad teams, so that's pointless to argue. Second of all, what game were you watching last night? He played really well. I don't get how you can say he "crumbled" when he completed 65% of his passes and grabbed 250 yards against a really good defense. He was accurate too, as always. Maybe it wasn't his best effort...but his performance in that game has little to do with what the scouts see in him. He has the arm, the poise, the build, and the accuracy to become an NFL quarterback.

this.

[speakhandsforme]

bradford=matt leinart=jason white

...where do I start?

[RedWineSheets]

It's not about performance. If you think performance has anything to do with his future, you're wrong. He's got the tools and accuracy to succeed, and the smarts to adjust. It's not like you have some inside scoop on Bradford that scouts don't - there's a reason he's going top 10 in all mock drafts, and #1 in many.

I know I don't have an inside scoop, im stating my opinion. The scouts have been wrong before.

[Scott Weber]

I know I don't have an inside scoop, im stating my opinion. The scouts have been wrong before.
To say he equals Jason White is a joke.

[gnarly sky]

i'm with nick, i think if tebow can learn to effectively run-block he can be a really solid TE in the NFL. his leg drive is just unbelieveable.

He has no catching skill though. That would be such a rebuild on a player. I don't think he could keep up with the players who have been playing the TE position all their life.

[Scott Weber]

He has no catching skill though. That would be such a rebuild on a player. I don't think he could keep up with the players who have been playing the TE position all their life.
you've seen tim tebow take receiving reps, have you?

matt jones, college quarterback - very good WR for the jags.

[RedWineSheets]

To say he equals Jason White is a joke.

yeah that was a little overboard, he reminds me more of tim couch.

[Scott Weber]

yeah that was a little overboard, he reminds me more of tim couch.
then you don't know anything about football.

[Broken Parachute]

Tight End as a catching position usually doesn't start until college anyway. High schools don't typically use tight ends unless it's a goal line or a red zone situation, or unless it's an essential part of their game plan (ie: they have a really good wide receiver but he's too big or isn't fast enough to play straight up wide receiver).

[gnarly sky]

you've seen tim tebow take receiving reps, have you?

matt jones, college quarterback - very good WR for the jags.

Gotta admit, I have't. But if he was a TE you think he would have the concentration to grab the ball in the middle of the field? Or catching with a few players around? Even though he runs a lot, he is not used to taking real hits. Sure, catching out routes will be easy, but you can't do that all the time.

And Matt Jones was expected to be drafted as a wide out. That's a rare case.

[more heart]

He's gonna end up like most big univeristy QBs...average

[RedWineSheets]

then you don't know anything about football.

k.

[Broken Parachute]

Gotta admit, I have't. But if he was a TE you think he would have the concentration to grab the ball in the middle of the field? Or catching with a few players around? Even though he runs a lot, he is not used to taking real hits. Sure, catching out routes will be easy, but you can't do that all the time.

And Matt Jones was expected to be drafted as a wide out. That's a rare case.Those aren't talent issues though. Those are things that he can get used to.

[gnarly sky]

Those aren't talent issues though. Those are things that he can get used to.

The issue of natural born talent comes in. Hand eye coordination comes into play along with many other catching abilities, and some people don't have that ability, just like some people can't throw more than 70+ yards.

[Broken Parachute]

You were talking about taking hits and learning how to zone out the defensive players and just make the catch. Those are things you get used to.

[xshady121]

He has no catching skill though. That would be such a rebuild on a player. I don't think he could keep up with the players who have been playing the TE position all their life.

Gotta admit, I have't. But if he was a TE you think he would have the concentration to grab the ball in the middle of the field? Or catching with a few players around? Even though he runs a lot, he is not used to taking real hits. Sure, catching out routes will be easy, but you can't do that all the time.

And Matt Jones was expected to be drafted as a wide out. That's a rare case.


HAHAHA.

/Thread.

[speakhandsforme]

Did anyone see the Tebowisms on ESPN today? There were some pretty good ones.

"You can lead a horse to water, but Tim Tebow can make it drink."

"What color is Tim Tebow's blood? Trick question. He doesn't bleed."

"Tim Tebow takes 20 minutes to watch 60 minutes."

"Tim Tebow can eat just one Lays Potato Chip. Don't tell Tim Tebow what he can't do."

"Tim Tebow once got Blackjack with one card."

www.tebowisms.net (http://www.tebowisms.net)

I haven't heard a lot of these. Pretty funny.

[gnarly sky]

HAHAHA.

/Thread.

Knew someone would be on that.

To clarify, I have seen some of his out route catches I think during S. Carolina. But that was one catch, and I saw the Sportscenter highlight. I don't consistantley watch Tebow. But I am sure that his catching ability is not up to par with current NFL TEs.

[gnarly sky]

Did anyone see the Tebowisms on ESPN today? There were some pretty good ones.

"You can lead a horse to water, but Tim Tebow can make it drink."

"What color is Tim Tebow's blood? Trick question. He doesn't bleed."

"Tim Tebow takes 20 minutes to watch 60 minutes."

"Tim Tebow can eat just one Lays Potato Chip. Don't tell Tim Tebow what he can't do."

"Tim Tebow once got Blackjack with one card."

www.tebowisms.net (http://www.tebowisms.net)

I haven't heard a lot of these. Pretty funny.

The new Chuck Norris.

[Smithers]

yeah it said he was a real good amateur. the fact that you're a top notch athlete in football, basketball, baseball and tennis is ridiculous. to win a heisman trophy and then to be like if i dont get drafted in the first 2 rounds, ill just go play in the nba, thats crazy.
i believe he wasn't drafted by an NFL team because they weren't sure if he was gonna play in the NBA instead.

bradford is your typical system college qb, has he ever put his hands under the center? every play he looks to the sidelines for the audible, this will not fly in an nfl type offense.
last night he was under center a lot. even the announcers mentioned it. and personally, i think he looks to the sidelines because the coaches make him, not because he needs to.

Did anyone see the Tebowisms on ESPN today? There were some pretty good ones.

"You can lead a horse to water, but Tim Tebow can make it drink."

"What color is Tim Tebow's blood? Trick question. He doesn't bleed."

"Tim Tebow takes 20 minutes to watch 60 minutes."

"Tim Tebow can eat just one Lays Potato Chip. Don't tell Tim Tebow what he can't do."

"Tim Tebow once got Blackjack with one card."

www.tebowisms.net (http://www.tebowisms.net)

I haven't heard a lot of these. Pretty funny.
there's a pretty good picture of Norris in Tebow pajamas floating around the Rivals boards.

[rcrook]

He has no catching skill though. That would be such a rebuild on a player. I don't think he could keep up with the players who have been playing the TE position all their life.

Antonio Gates didn't play college football and he is now one of the best TE's in the game...explain this football expert.

[Flags of Dawn]

Did anyone see the Tebowisms on ESPN today? There were some pretty good ones.

"You can lead a horse to water, but Tim Tebow can make it drink."

"What color is Tim Tebow's blood? Trick question. He doesn't bleed."

"Tim Tebow takes 20 minutes to watch 60 minutes."

"Tim Tebow can eat just one Lays Potato Chip. Don't tell Tim Tebow what he can't do."

"Tim Tebow once got Blackjack with one card."

www.tebowisms.net (http://www.tebowisms.net)

I haven't heard a lot of these. Pretty funny.
oh yeah? well he's no John Stocco. (http://absolutepunk.net/showthread.php?t=182661)

[gnarly sky]

SC just talking about if Tebow will be good in the NFL.

Mel Kipper said he should be a primary HB and a backup QB.

[gnarly sky]

Antonio Gates didn't play college football and he is now one of the best TE's in the game...explain this football expert.

You're right.

[Flags of Dawn]

does tebow's value increase a little with the emergence of the wildcat formation?

[bigmike]

Tight End as a catching position usually doesn't start until college anyway. High schools don't typically use tight ends unless it's a goal line or a red zone situation, or unless it's an essential part of their game plan (ie: they have a really good wide receiver but he's too big or isn't fast enough to play straight up wide receiver).
Exactly. And chances are that if a kid in HS is too slow or big to be a straight up WR, he's going to the defensive side of the ball in college (LB, perhaps).

[captainhampton]

bradford is your typical system college qb, has he ever put his hands under the center? every play he looks to the sidelines for the audible, this will not fly in an nfl type offense. bradford is lucky to have played weak defenses all season which inflates his numbers and when he finally plays a great defense, he crumbles. he has alot to learn and he will not be an instant matt ryan.

Oklahoma played the following teams this year before last night:

#17 Cincinnati-scored 52
#7 TCU-scored 35
#4 Texas-scored 35
#12-Texas Tech-scored 65
#16 Oklahoma State-scored 61
#19 Missouri-scored 62

So that is 6 top 20 teams, but I am sure they were all just weak defenses like you say.

[captainhampton]

what about fullback? I can see him there or H Back. obviously depends on how well he can learn to block.

[RedWineSheets]

Oklahoma played the following teams this year before last night:

#17 Cincinnati-scored 52
#7 TCU-scored 35
#4 Texas-scored 35
#12-Texas Tech-scored 65
#16 Oklahoma State-scored 61
#19 Missouri-scored 62

So that is 6 top 20 teams, but I am sure they were all just weak defenses like you say.

almost every team you listed is known for its offense and the reason they are in the top 25.

[Broken Parachute]

almost every team you listed is known for its offense and the reason they are in the top 25.Three of those six teams were in the Top 25 overall team defenses, including TCU at #2 overall.

[rcrook]

yeah too bad TCU was 2nd in the nation defensively in points given up per game.

[rcrook]

beat me to it john

[RedWineSheets]

haha

[RedWineSheets]

id like to see bradford against an nfl defense running an nfl style offense is all im saying. he played 3 tough defenses with an amazing OL and surrounding cast. I just dont think he'll be a great nfl qb, thats just my opinion, maybe im wrong. I think he is the product of a great system and coaching. Link me to this thread next year if he is having an outstanding year in the NFL and ill eat my words gladly.

[FondestMemory]

Gotta admit, I have't. But if he was a TE you think he would have the concentration to grab the ball in the middle of the field? Or catching with a few players around? Even though he runs a lot, he is not used to taking real hits. Sure, catching out routes will be easy, but you can't do that all the time.

And Matt Jones was expected to be drafted as a wide out. That's a rare case.

i ask this in all honesty and not trying to be a jerk, but have you ever watched football in your entire life? not even asking if you've ever watched tebow, but have you ever seen a single snap of football?

because a lot of your statements really make it seem like the answer would be no. tim tebow takes more real hits in a game than most players take in a season. the dude's got the shit kicked out of him game in and game out for three seasons and bounces back up every time. that statement sure makes it seem like you're calling his toughness into question, which would be one of the stupidest things i've ever heard.

does tebow's value increase a little with the emergence of the wildcat formation?

i've thought about this before and have meant to bring it up in the nfl thread. if a team takes him as a te/h-back, i'd think it'll be pretty tempting to run the wildcat 5-8 times a game just to see what he can do out of it. same with mike vick if he ever comes back. there's a good chance he'll come back as a wr or kr, but it'd be so damn tempting to see what can be done with the wildcat.

i wouldn't really say the wildcat has emerged, it's just been reintroduced. it could definitely emerge over the next couple seasons though if teams put some more time into making it successful.

what about fullback? I can see him there or H Back. obviously depends on how well he can learn to block.

he'll more than likely be a hybrid of those. he'll probably be used very simliarly to how chris cooley was coming into the nfl.

[Chris M.]

i've thought about this before and have meant to bring it up in the nfl thread. if a team takes him as a te/h-back, i'd think it'll be pretty tempting to run the wildcat 5-8 times a game just to see what he can do out of it. same with mike vick if he ever comes back. there's a good chance he'll come back as a wr or kr, but it'd be so damn tempting to see what can be done with the wildcat.

Same goes for Pat White. He'll likely end up being a WR/KR, but he has the pure athletic ability and speed to be able to be one of those "trick" play guys.

[bigmike]

Pat White probably would be utilized like Randel-El, no? I don't watch/follow the NFL closely enough, but they seem to have similar builds (but I think ARE is thicker than White is), and skill sets.

[FondestMemory]

Pat White probably would be utilized like Randel-El, no? I don't watch/follow the NFL closely enough, but they seem to have similar builds (but I think ARE is thicker than White is), and skill sets.

yeah, i could see similarities there. white needs to bulk up a little bit, but i think he can make a solid wr/kr. his skill set is very similar to where are was though, so it's not a bad comparison at all.

[rcrook]

they both weigh 192 but Pat White has about 3 inches on Randle-El.

[bigmike]

yeah, i could see similarities there. white needs to bulk up a little bit, but i think he can make a solid wr/kr. his skill set is very similar to where are was though, so it's not a bad comparison at all.
Nice. I like the draft and projecting players. It's just following the NFL hardcore just bores me to tears with the way ESPN and other sports networks (even local news) shoves it down your throat.
they both weigh 192 but Pat White has about 3 inches on Randle-El.
Really? Wow. I thought White was like 5'10". Hmm. It'll be interesting to see what his height it as the combine.

[Ben09]

Tight End as a catching position usually doesn't start until college anyway. High schools don't typically use tight ends unless it's a goal line or a red zone situation, or unless it's an essential part of their game plan (ie: they have a really good wide receiver but he's too big or isn't fast enough to play straight up wide receiver).


You must've never heard of Texas High School football. Many schools in my district alone used a tight end to catch.

[bigmike]

You must've never heard of Texas High School football. Many schools in my district alone used a tight end to catch.
TE being relevant in texas high school football doesn't mean that it's not being washed out of many offenses across the rest of the country.

[preppyak]

Really? Wow. I thought White was like 5'10". Hmm. It'll be interesting to see what his height it as the combine.
Yeah, I used to think the same thing, but he would actually make a legit WR if he has the hands for it...he's incredibly fast and elusive, and I could see him being really effective out of the Wildcat.

I'd definitely use a 2nd day pick just to take that chance...cause even if you get a Randle El in Pittsburgh out of it, that's great value

[timbedinosaur]

Tebow will not go far at the next level, and thus why he decided to stay for his last year. He knows that he's not what NFL scouts are looking for so he's decided to improve. While it is doubtful that he will improve enough to be a quarterback in the NFL, there always is the option of converting to another position and see where that takes him. He's a great college player and a great leader, but that doesn't convert to NFL star and we all know that. Make a thread with an original idea next time.

[johnh5304]

History has shown that QBs of his mold don't fare well in the pros but I think his leadership skills are outstanding but his arm is somewhat underrated. Either way with him coming back, I'd give the gators a good chance of winning another national championship. If he can accomplish that and pick up another Heisman Trophy, then he is no doubt the greatest college football player of all time.

[schaft0620]

Tim Tebow - not the best quarterback in college football, or the best running back sure he can lead a team and sure he is so smart on the field but he does not play like NFL quarterbacks running the football as a qb in the NFL against 350lb lineman will kill you

[TEAMRAMROD]

Tim Tebow - not the best quarterback in college football, or the best running back sure he can lead a team and sure he is so smart on the field but he does not play like NFL quarterbacks running the football as a qb in the NFL against 350lb lineman will kill you

it took me 3 tries to comprehend that attempt of a logical thought

[xbrokendownx]

Tim Tebow - not the best quarterback in college football, or the best running back sure he can lead a team and sure he is so smart on the field but he does not play like NFL quarterbacks running the football as a qb in the NFL against 350lb lineman will kill you





lol wut

[Scott Weber]

wut.

[speakhandsforme]

Tim Tebow - not the best quarterback in college football, or the best running back sure he can lead a team and sure he is so smart on the field but he does not play like NFL quarterbacks running the football as a qb in the NFL against 350lb lineman will kill you

Perhaps you meant "not the best passer" or maybe you were intending to promote the observation that he is not the best NFL prospect in the college quarterback pool: those are the only two ways I can find any validity at all in your post.

[schaft0620]

Perhaps you meant "not the best passer" or maybe you were intending to promote the observation that he is not the best NFL prospect in the college quarterback pool: those are the only two ways I can find any validity at all in your post.


yea thats what im trying to say but also that he is smart, smart enough to lead a team but not against a 350lb NFL player

[xbrokendownx]

how many players in the NFL weigh 350lbs?

[Broken Parachute]

Did Warren Sapp even way 350?

[LeftWideOpen]

how many players in the NFL weigh 350lbs?

90% of the guys who do would be blocking for him, not hitting him.

[speakhandsforme]

Very few NFL defensive lineman tip the scales at such weights: it negates the idea of a three-down lineman. There are a few exceptions like Shaun Rogers and Kris Jenkins, but not many.

[acousticore]

bumping this after last nights game. wanna see what you guys think of him now.

honestly i have mixed emotions about him. he obviously has the ability to make plays and win, but he's not an effective pocket passer which is a problem with aggressive defenses (notably the lions, ugh). the offense denver is running is being tailored to his playing style but i think unless they can make the running game absolutely dominant i don't see them making the playoffs.

also nfl.com is starting to compare him to Elway, which is a joke to me.

[<*)))><]

You are right Elway is nowhere as good as Tebow.

[mattyrocks]

haha.

[____]

Dude isn't the next P. Manning by any stretch of the imagination but does anyone else agree that this guy is getting absolutely pummeled and scrutinized for every little thing? Yes he's made a ton of mistakes but I've seen some random shots of greatness in him while playing. His line is absolutely terrible and he's only played in a few games still. Rookie QB's can have tough starts and that is an absolute FACT when looking in the past. Take Aikman and Favre just to name a few out of the many. Not saying he's going to turn into one of them but I definitely think he's got potential to be a starter for the years to come.

[njdevils327]

I want my 5 bucks

[cryates]

I hated Tim Tebow in college and now he is probably one of my favorite players in the NFL, if only because everyone in the media hates seeing this guy succeed right now.

[JasonP]

I've never understood the Tebow haters out there. He seems like a good kid. If I liked the Broncos I'd be rooting for him to succeed. He certainly has all the NFL talking heads puzzled.

[DooDooBird]

I think Denver is stuck in a bad situation with Tebow. Drafting him was the biggest mistake they've ever made. I think he's good enough to make the Broncos an average team capable of upsetting a good team from time to time, but the Broncos will never be a championship caliber team with him taking snaps.

If they trade him, fans are going to be pissed and will burn down the stadium. If they stick with him, they'll be average and unable to compete for championships.

[jimjam32]

^^^ that guy's 50?

[bigmike]

Denver offense before Tebow: 1 game under 20 points, 4 games over. Denver offense with Tebow starting: 4 games under 20 points, 1 game over.

[FondestMemory]

Denver offense before Tebow: 1 game under 20 points, 4 games over. Denver offense with Tebow starting: 4 games under 20 points, 1 game over.

denver before tebow: 1 win, 4 losses. denver after tebow: 4 wins, 1 loss.

[acousticore]

denver before tebow: 1 win, 4 losses. denver after tebow: 4 wins, 1 loss.

was gonna point this out. i guess the defense does come in when talking about their record though.

[Chemical Love]

I love Tebow. I don't care that he's not a good passer or if he has a future in the NFL. Right now, he's just exciting to watch.

[<*)))><]

Correction he is only exciting to watch in the last 5 minutes

[bigmike]

denver before tebow: 1 win, 4 losses. denver after tebow: 4 wins, 1 loss.
You're insinuating that Tim Tebow is the reason for this, or even a decent chunk of the reason for this?

[FondestMemory]

You're insinuating that Tim Tebow is the reason for this, or even a decent chunk of the reason for this?

how can you not?

kyle orton went 1-4 with the exact same team. they switch to tebow and go 4-1. same team. one change.

thats not coincidence.

[Sherry116]

I wonder if this guy didn't express his faith has much if he'd still have as much haters. Think about it

[bigmike]

how can you not?

kyle orton went 1-4 with the exact same team. they switch to tebow and go 4-1. same team. one change.

thats not coincidence.
Completely, unequivocally disagree.

[S/T]

how can you not?

kyle orton went 1-4 with the exact same team. they switch to tebow and go 4-1. same team. one change.

thats not coincidence.

Orton also had Brandon Lloyd for all of his starts, I believe.

[spiffa0]

haha this was someone's status on my facebook feed

"this week, pretty much all of SD's o-line got hurt and rivers blew. Peterson got hurt, and cutler's potentially out for the regular season. Denver's next 3 games? SD, Minn, Chi. It's like God is parting the NFL sea's for Tebow. Watch out Brady, Denver plays NE in 4 weeks...."

[FondestMemory]

Completely, unequivocally disagree.

over the past two seasons, orton is 3-15 in 18 starts. tebow is 5-3 in his 8.

if youre telling me tebow has nothing to do with the difference in records, then i truly dont understand how you see the world.

[Scott Weber]

Football isn't baseball. Chemistry and momentum are massively important things. I think Denver truly rallies around Tebow, they play harder for him because of all the criticism. You listen to what the defense says about him and they want to go to war for him, and it's certainly possible it's impacted their play even better. I have to side with Fondest - you can't deny that Tebow has made a change in the team. It isn't so black and white.

[bigmike]

I never said it was baseball, nor did I say that momentum and chemistry don't exist. Liking a QB is not enough, in my opinion, to be the entire culprit for the defensive turnaround. Incredibly bad QB play with timely defensive scores and some wonderful late-game drives all come across as far to unsustainable for Tebow's likeability to be enough to keep the team afloat in the long term.

[acousticore]

I wonder if this guy didn't express his faith has much if he'd still have as much haters. Think about it

i bet if he hadn't played for florida people wouldn't give a fuck what he does.

[we are cured]

I never said it was baseball, nor did I say that momentum and chemistry don't exist. Liking a QB is not enough, in my opinion, to be the entire culprit for the defensive turnaround. Incredibly bad QB play with timely defensive scores and some wonderful late-game drives all come across as far to unsustainable for Tebow's likeability to be enough to keep the team afloat in the long term.

running the read option in the NFL the way that tebow does is going to produce some terrible statistics if you look at it from a traditional standpoint....but what it's doing is eating clock - even on drives that end quickly - and setting teams up to be fooled when tebow does back off the run and throw the ball. he's not going to stand in the pocket and make reads, but he's got an exceptional ability for understanding what the defense is showing him.

i think the next 20-30 games of his career are going to be interesting, to see how he progresses vs. the defensive minds in this league.

[bigmike]

He's being utilized to the best of both his, and Denver's abilities. I agree there. Maybe he's a generational talent that will have a 5+ year career as a read-option QB. I'll bet against that every single time. As I said, I do believe in chemistry but I feel like the argument overall just comes down to "Denver players like Tim Tebow, so now they're winning." I cannot buy that as being the reason. Obviously my non-professional sports playing life is like comparing apples to airplanes, but I've never played substantially better in hockey while on a line with people I liked. I always played better when I played with the best players possible.

[theguy77]

i bet if he hadn't played for florida people wouldn't give a fuck what he does.

the records he set, and the four consecutive BCS championships he attended, winning two of them as a starter, have even more to do with it. no one gives a fuck what Rex Grossman does because he didn't set the SEC record for rushing touchdowns as a QB, he wasn't the first sophomore to ever win the Heisman, and he certainly didn't go to the national championship every year he was in college. Tebow's legacy was just as dominant in college football as Brady's or Elway's is in professional football, you can't expect people not to be interested to see how that translates into the pros especially now that he's had 5 fourth quarter wins in his last 6 starts (and he came within 20 yards in the 6th one.)

[kyle is hk]

Why do people claim the media hates Tim Tebow? The media fucking loves Tim Tebow. They root for his success because he's ratings and conversation gold. Just because analysts don't think he'll be a good QB doesn't mean they're rooting against him.

[Dodge725]

I wonder if this guy didn't express his faith has much if he'd still have as much haters. Think about it

That's what started my hatred of him. I'm fine with someone having their faith and even being proud of it. Just don't try to force it onto me and stand on your soapbox every chance you get. There's a difference between a player thanking God after a game or going on one knee after a TD and the level he takes it too. I shouldn't be told to read the bible by a players eyeblack. Again nothing against religion, believe whatever you want, just don't force it on me.

[<*)))><]

5-1 must I say more greatest QB of all time.

[WTG]

Fuck Tebow for getting praise for things his defense does. Tebow hurts this team, doesn't help them.

[ghostyouare]

That's what started my hatred of him. I'm fine with someone having their faith and even being proud of it. Just don't try to force it onto me and stand on your soapbox every chance you get. There's a difference between a player thanking God after a game or going on one knee after a TD and the level he takes it too. I shouldn't be told to read the bible by a players eyeblack. Again nothing against religion, believe whatever you want, just don't force it on me.

Do you even know what the word force means? Jesus christ, I can't stand people that see anything religious and get all butt hurt. I totally disagree with a lot of what Tebow believes in but I don't act like a bitch about it.

[FondestMemory]

Fuck Tebow for getting praise for things his defense does. Tebow hurts this team, doesn't help them.

why do you even bother talking about tebow at all? youre so irrational that you cant do so without sounding like an idiot.

hows he hurting the team? with all those turnovers he doesnt commit? by controlling the clock by making the running game so much more effective and keeping the defense fresh? by making key plays when theyre needed most?

hes definitely holding them back. they were definitely better off losing all those games with orton under center.

[PepsiOne]

Do you even know what the word force means? Jesus christ, I can't stand people that see anything religious and get all butt hurt. I totally disagree with a lot of what Tebow believes in but I don't act like a bitch about it.

Quit forcing your religion down my throat dude

[xkj1985x]

why do you even bother talking about tebow at all? youre so irrational that you cant do so without sounding like an idiot.

hows he hurting the team? with all those turnovers he doesnt commit? by controlling the clock by making the running game so much more effective and keeping the defense fresh? by making key plays when theyre needed most?

hes definitely holding them back. they were definitely better off losing all those games with orton under center.

amen....that warrior Christian Ponder though, wooooweeeeee.

[WTG]

why do you even bother talking about tebow at all? youre so irrational that you cant do so without sounding like an idiot.

hows he hurting the team? with all those turnovers he doesnt commit? by controlling the clock by making the running game so much more effective and keeping the defense fresh? by making key plays when theyre needed most?

hes definitely holding them back. they were definitely better off losing all those games with orton under center.

Because he refuses to just go away and it bothers me haha. I don't care if I am irrational, he is a terrible quarterback. A good football player, but terrible quarterback. My hate for him was even more amped up when I went to the FSU-UF game and they had a minute long commercial on the titantron of just Tebows face and all he has done for a new DVD about him. Fuck this guy, for real.

[ghostyouare]

Quit forcing your religion down my throat dude

The only way I'd force my religion down your throat is if I wrote "religion" on my dick.

[PepsiOne]

The only way I'd force my religion down your throat is if I wrote "religion" on my dick.

Too real

[Scott Weber]

Because he refuses to just go away and it bothers me haha. I don't care if I am irrational, he is a terrible quarterback. A good football player, but terrible quarterback. My hate for him was even more amped up when I went to the FSU-UF game and they had a minute long commercial on the titantron of just Tebows face and all he has done for a new DVD about him. Fuck this guy, for real.
You're such an idiot.

[ghostyouare]

Too real

:( sorry.

[startBBtoday]

Because he refuses to just go away and it bothers me haha. I don't care if I am irrational, he is a terrible quarterback. A good football player, but terrible quarterback. My hate for him was even more amped up when I went to the FSU-UF game and they had a minute long commercial on the titantron of just Tebows face and all he has done for a new DVD about him. Fuck this guy, for real.

no. 1 reason college football is annoying.

[Dodge725]

Do you even know what the word force means? Jesus christ, I can't stand people that see anything religious and get all butt hurt. I totally disagree with a lot of what Tebow believes in but I don't act like a bitch about it.

Hey, I'm willing to admit I might be a little hypersensitive to having religion "forced" onto me.(I have my own personal reasons for this) I used the word force because the was he presents himself makes it seem condescending if you don't have the same level of faith he does. My opinion, take it for what you will. I don't want to discount all that he does and he seems like a good human being, but I just don't see the football field as a place to spread your faith. That's it. I know of plenty of other players who are religious and deal with their faith in their personal lives. It's the publicity that gets me. Not necessarily his fault, but it is what it is.

[QuikTrig]

i just want to know what the definition of a "good quarterback" is. How can he be a good football player that plays quarterback, but be a terrible quarterback?

[badger52683]

I thought Merrill Hoge said Tebow CANT PLAY QB IN THE NFL. So what is he doing?... pssh... dumb fucks

[startBBtoday]

i just want to know what the definition of a "good quarterback" is. How can he be a good football player that plays quarterback, but be a terrible quarterback?

this only makes sense if you're a bitter florida state, alabama, auburn, tennessee, georgia, lsu, miami or oklahoma fan.

[badger52683]

Brian Dawkins is the Tebow of that defense. i love that guy.

[QuikTrig]

this only makes sense if you're a bitter florida state, alabama, auburn, tennessee, georgia, lsu, miami or oklahoma fan.

what? i'm none of those. im confused.

[ghostyouare]

Hey, I'm willing to admit I might be a little hypersensitive to having religion "forced" onto me.(I have my own personal reasons for this) I used the word force because the was he presents himself makes it seem condescending if you don't have the same level of faith he does. My opinion, take it for what you will. I don't want to discount all that he does and he seems like a good human being, but I just don't see the football field as a place to spread your faith. That's it. I know of plenty of other players who are religious and deal with their faith in their personal lives. It's the publicity that gets me. Not necessarily his fault, but it is what it is.

I think when he got sacked by (I can't remember) and the guy "tebowed" (the knee prayer) and Tebow didn't get up in arms about it. He shook it off as no big deal made me think he wasn't too condescending. I mean, I get having issues with his anti-abortion ad and shit like that but otherwise he seems to be a pretty decent guy.

[startBBtoday]

what? i'm none of those. im confused.

those are the only people that would say tebow is a good football player, but not a good quarterback. they're all bitter at his success.

[Scott Weber]

Hey, I'm willing to admit I might be a little hypersensitive to having religion "forced" onto me.(I have my own personal reasons for this) I used the word force because the was he presents himself makes it seem condescending if you don't have the same level of faith he does. My opinion, take it for what you will. I don't want to discount all that he does and he seems like a good human being, but I just don't see the football field as a place to spread your faith. That's it. I know of plenty of other players who are religious and deal with their faith in their personal lives. It's the publicity that gets me. Not necessarily his fault, but it is what it is.
when has tim tebow EVER been condescending about his beliefs? you think he is trying to convert people and that's stupid.

[xkj1985x]

Brian Dawkins is the Tebow of that defense. i love that guy.

Me too :(

[about3fitty]

Brian Dawkins is the Tebow of that defense. i love that guy.

i miss him so much

[ghostyouare]

i miss him so much

I like your user name. "Well it was about that time I noticed that the girl scout was 8 stories tall and was a crustacean from the protozoic era"

[Dodge725]

I think when he got sacked by (I can't remember) and the guy "tebowed" (the knee prayer) and Tebow didn't get up in arms about it. He shook it off as no big deal made me think he wasn't too condescending. I mean, I get having issues with his anti-abortion ad and shit like that but otherwise he seems to be a pretty decent guy.

Like I said, he seems like a good person, but I don't like how public his faith is. I think that should be more of a personal thing, but that's just where my dislike started. Now, I watch him and just don't think he's a good player. He wins and I'll give him that, but I don't think he's someone who you can count on week in and week out for those wins. From what I've seen he gets a few good, big plays and the rest of the game is garbage, no consistency. But my thoughts don't really matter if he keeps winning, however ugly (very) it may be.

when has tim tebow EVER been condescending about his beliefs? you think he is trying to convert people and that's stupid.

I don't think he does it on purpose, it just is off putting to me. I understand he's not going door to door handing out pamphlets but in my experience the people who talk about their faith the most are those trying to convert you. I get why he's liked/respected and I'm not trying to change any minds, just throwing out my opinion. That's all.

[about3fitty]

I like your user name. "Well it was about that time I noticed that the girl scout was 8 stories tall and was a crustacean from the protozoic era"

haha thank you. is it true that people wear hats on their feet and hamburgers eat people in rand mcnally?

[SlappedActor]

I was never Tebow's biggest fan, but the anti-Tebow rage is so intense that now I kind of root for him just to watch everybody fall all over themselves to make up reasons why they still hate him.

[grimis16]

Why do people claim the media hates Tim Tebow? The media fucking loves Tim Tebow. They root for his success because he's ratings and conversation gold. Just because analysts don't think he'll be a good QB doesn't mean they're rooting against him.

Ever watch sportscenter? Also, I'm wondering why the racist card hasn't been thrown yet. Anytime the media hates on a black player it's racist, yet Tebow gets hate from everyone but not racist. Hmmmmm. I used to hate him too, but shit I'm a Broncos fan and he's winning. Right now I'm just enjoying the league getting Tebowed and seeing analysts eat their words.

[kyle is hk]

Ever watch sportscenter?


Often.

[startBBtoday]

Like I said, he seems like a good person, but I don't like how public his faith is. I think that should be more of a personal thing, but that's just where my dislike started. Now, I watch him and just don't think he's a good player. He wins and I'll give him that, but I don't think he's someone who you can count on week in and week out for those wins. From what I've seen he gets a few good, big plays and the rest of the game is garbage, no consistency. But my thoughts don't really matter if he keeps winning, however ugly (very) it may be.



I don't think he does it on purpose, it just is off putting to me. I understand he's not going door to door handing out pamphlets but in my experience the people who talk about their faith the most are those trying to convert you. I get why he's liked/respected and I'm not trying to change any minds, just throwing out my opinion. That's all.

i'm as non-religious as you could possibly be, and i think this is pretty absurd. you started out saying he was "forcing" religion and now you're criticizing him for being public about it? give me a break.

have you ever considered that he just really believes in it? like i said, i'm not religious. i don't believe in god and i understand that coming from a non-religious background it might not compute, but i think tebow just thinks or knows or whatever that it's important that he praises god and jesus because it's the right thing to do and that's how to practice his christianity.

[FondestMemory]

how the fuck is the race card being brought up?

[startBBtoday]

how the fuck is the race card being brought up?

you see it's because tebow's not black... no that can't be it. it's because the people criticizing him are black, wait, no. it's because umm, people criticize black people and that's racist, and when they criticize tebow it's... not racist?

i have no fucking clue.

[ghostyouare]

haha thank you. is it true that people wear hats on their feet and hamburgers eat people in rand mcnally?

I've had this as my location for a while but I watched the episode last night. Such a classic.

[grimis16]

Often.

I think Skip Bayless is the only ESPN personality that has stood by Tebow, the rest bash him.

[kyle is hk]

I hate tebow because he's christian.
I hate tebow because he's white.
I hate tebow because he's straight.
I hate tebow because he's male.
I don't hate tebow but think he doesn't have the skills to be a successful QB in the long term.

One of those is true for me (and most people)

[Dodge725]

i'm as non-religious as you could possibly be, and i think this is pretty absurd. you started out saying he was "forcing" religion and now you're criticizing him for being public about it? give me a break.

have you ever considered that he just really believes in it? like i said, i'm not religious. i don't believe in god and i understand that coming from a non-religious background it might not compute, but i think tebow just thinks or knows or whatever that it's important that he praises god and jesus because it's the right thing to do and that's how to practice his christianity.

Complete 180. If anything, it overly computes. And I respect the fact that he has found his religion and believes in it fully, but I don't think I should have to be reminded of it every time I see him. Honestly I think it's not really his fault the media over-saturates us with his faith, but it's off-putting to me when I see multiple articles about people putting"Jesus" on the back of a Tebow jersey. Again, not Tebow's fault, directly, but you sleep in the bed you make.

[FondestMemory]

i think "people putting jesus on the back of tebow jerseys" may be the most ridiculous reach for a reason to dislike him that weve seen so far.

who fucking cares? thats not his fault. hes not the first player to make his faith known. not by a longshot.

i dont see how hes preachy at all or even remotely comes close to forcing his faith on anybody.

i just dont see how saying you dislike tebow because of his faith is any different than saying you dislike somebody because theyre jewish.

[Healthy Scratch]

troy polamalu crosses himself after every single play. that's more overtly religious than tebow. nobody bashes polamalu for being christian. maybe its because troy is samoan and tim is white. race card. /sarcasm/

[Recovery Room]

I don't care that Tebow is Christian and has his faith, but he's just SO in your face about it. For example, after their win against the Jets he was sitting at the desk with all the NFL Network guys being interviewed and he said, "This is all about me building a hospital in Singapore" (or whatever, something to that effect -- can't remember where exactly). No, it's not. It's about your team playing football. It's about your team winning. It's about you proving your detractors wrong. There's a time and place to discuss your charitable work (which I also feel shouldn't be brought up by yourself, but that's a whole other discussion). All in all, though, I actually am starting to root for the kid. I hated him in college and I was super down on him coming into the NFL. But I do love seeing him deliver at the end of games if not just to stick it to Fox and Elway.

[startBBtoday]

people really come up with the strangest reasons to dislike tebow. we're mad at a guy because he's trying to do charitable work?

[Recovery Room]

people really come up with the strangest reasons to dislike tebow. we're mad at a guy because he's trying to do charitable work?
Yeah, that's what I said.

[startBBtoday]

I don't care that Tebow is Christian and has his faith, but he's just SO in your face about it. For example, after their win against the Jets he was sitting at the desk with all the NFL Network guys being interviewed and he said, "This is all about me building a hospital in Singapore" (or whatever, something to that effect -- can't remember where exactly). No, it's not. It's about your team playing football. It's about your team winning. It's about you proving your detractors wrong. There's a time and place to discuss your charitable work (which I also feel shouldn't be brought up by yourself, but that's a whole other discussion). All in all, though, I actually am starting to root for the kid. I hated him in college and I was super down on him coming into the NFL. But I do love seeing him deliver at the end of games if not just to stick it to Fox and Elway.

so we're mad that he uses his time on espn to talk about charitable work rather than the game we all just watched. still doesn't seem like a reason anyone would dislike a normal human being, but because it's tebow, it's shitty of him.

[Recovery Room]

so we're mad that he uses his time on espn to talk about charitable work rather than the game we all just watched. still doesn't seem like a reason anyone would dislike a normal human being, but because it's tebow, it's shitty of him.
No, the way he brought it up and talked about it was hokey; I don't think it's "shitty of him." And yes, I believe one doesn't need to brag about the work they're doing and should just let their actions do the talking. I don't see how someone mentioning you being able to win in such a fashion in a handful of games warrants a "I was able to announce this week I'm building a hospital in the Philippines" blah blah blah. Either way, I didn't say I disliked him for it (I actually admitted I'm rooting for him now), I just wish he'd tone it down a bit; I can also see why it rubs some people the wrong way. From solely a football and competitive standpoint, I hope he keeps winning and proving his haters wrong.

[Scott Weber]

I don't care that Tebow is Christian and has his faith, but he's just SO in your face about it. For example, after their win against the Jets he was sitting at the desk with all the NFL Network guys being interviewed and he said, "This is all about me building a hospital in Singapore" (or whatever, something to that effect -- can't remember where exactly). No, it's not. It's about your team playing football. It's about your team winning. It's about you proving your detractors wrong. There's a time and place to discuss your charitable work (which I also feel shouldn't be brought up by yourself, but that's a whole other discussion). All in all, though, I actually am starting to root for the kid. I hated him in college and I was super down on him coming into the NFL. But I do love seeing him deliver at the end of games if not just to stick it to Fox and Elway.
I used to think WTG had the stupidest reasons for hating Tebow. Clearly, I was wrong.

It is shitty of Tebow to raise awareness about places where people are malnourished and/or dying. He should be chest-thumping instead and shoving his success in his hate's faces - that is exactly what you just said.

[thejetstolehome]

I really find it so hard to be anything but neutral to Tebow. I may not agree with his faith or how he chooses to display it, but that has nothing to do with his football playing and at the end of the day, that's what matters most to me. As for his on field stuff, well whatever. Chances are that his play will never directly impact the team I root for, so I couldn't give two shits. Good for him that he's finding a way to be successful as an NFL QB. If it keeps up for him, great. If not, so be it. That's the nature of the beast.

Eli's the best anyway so....

[Tyler Vagyler]

I don't hate Tim Tebow, but watching him play the NFL QB position is like watching a little kid attempt to put a square block in a circle hole. But somehow he makes it work.

[Recovery Room]

I used to think WTG had the stupidest reasons for hating Tebow. Clearly, I was wrong.

It is shitty of Tebow to raise awareness about places where people are malnourished and/or dying. He should be chest-thumping instead and shoving his success in his hate's faces - that is exactly what you just said.
Once again, I don't hate the guy; I'm actually rooting for him and would like to see him succeed. I just wish he'd tone that down a bit -- there's a time and place for those things, in my opinion -- but it's his prerogative. But I can also see why it'd rub some people the wrong way. I'm sure he was sincere and I can't question his motives, it just came off as a bit boastful more so than it did "raising awareness."

[funnydave]

In the comment section of an NFL.com article concerning Andrew Luck:

bring this kid into the NFL so he can show Tebow what a real QB is like

It's shit like this bothers me the most. First of all, why even bring Tebow into the conversation? And then say isn't a "real" QB? Winning isn't good enough, people will hate anything that doesn't fit the mould.

[Scott Weber]

Once again, I don't hate the guy; I'm actually rooting for him and would like to see him succeed. I just wish he'd tone that down a bit -- there's a time and place for those things, in my opinion -- but it's his prerogative. But I can also see why it'd rub some people the wrong way. I'm sure he was sincere and I can't question his motives, it just came off as a bit boastful more so than it did "raising awareness."
What has Tebow ever done to show you he has an ounce of arrogance and that his talk of charities is boasting? Do you realize how ridiculous you sound?

[startBBtoday]

What has Tebow ever done to show you he has an ounce of arrogance and that his talk of charities is boasting? Do you realize how ridiculous you sound?

boasting about personal achievements in football games > boasting about charitable work

[<*)))><]

Tebow seems like a real down to earth guy and he even pokes fun at himself for how badly he throws the ball.

[S/T]

I wound understand the complaint about him bringing up the hospital he helped get built if there were any indication at all that he's a phony and that his whole good-guy thing is an act, but I haven't seen even the slightest hint of anything that would indicate anything of the sort.

I've been watching him since his freshman year at Florida and he's a good dude. I think some people just don't want to believe it.

[Healthy Scratch]

D-R06uJhLtU

you're right. what a disgusting piece of shit. how dare he. /more sarcasm

[Dodge725]

Once again, Kurt Warner with words of wisdom. This is what frustrates people about Tebow. Just do it, there's no need to draw attention to yourself. (Note: I think Tebow is a good guy, I just don't need to hear about it every time I watch the Broncos)

http://www.thepostgame.com/blog/dish/201111/super-bowl-hero-kurt-warners-suprising-tebow-advice (http://http//www.thepostgame.com/blog/dish/201111/super-bowl-hero-kurt-warners-suprising-tebow-advice)

[acousticore]

I wound understand the complaint about him bringing up the hospital he helped get built if there were any indication at all that he's a phony and that his whole good-guy thing is an act, but I haven't seen even the slightest hint of anything that would indicate anything of the sort.

I've been watching him since his freshman year at Florida and he's a good dude. I think some people just don't want to believe it.

a "too good to be true" situation eh? i mean obviously he's not the perfect qb and i think people just don't like the fact that he's winning games despite his flaws.

and as far as the media going crazy about tebow, i honestly think part of that comes from the qb position in denver itself. i mean if you think about it every qb since elway has been under some sort of media microscope. Griese, Plummer, Cutler, Orton, Tebow.

[Tyler Vagyler]

The only thing that irritates me (very little though) about the Tebow hype is when people say they've never seen a QB run the option in the NFL. But early this season they were praising Cam Newton for running option packages, lol.

[S/T]

a "too good to be true" situation eh? i mean obviously he's not the perfect qb and i think people just don't like the fact that he's winning games despite his flaws.

and as far as the media going crazy about tebow, i honestly think part of that comes from the qb position in denver itself. i mean if you think about it every qb since elway has been under some sort of media microscope. Griese, Plummer, Cutler, Orton, Tebow.

Yeah, it's hard for me to get a good grasp on what the hatred around the country is about because I go to OU and most people around here just hate him because he kicked our ass.

[bigmike]

I don't think Tim Tebow is an NFL QB long term and don't think he's entirely deserving of all his praise he's gotten for being 5-1, but he comes across as one of the most genuine, humble athletes in the world. Isn't that what the casual fan wants? They hate when the athletes are arrogant and self-serving and now are hating when they're the complete opposite. Pick one or the other.

[Genuma]

I was pretty down on him coming out of Florida, but I legitimately love watching him work every week now. He's just so easy to root for once you get past the general hate that's been associated with him.

[SgtSmegma]

I cant remember any individual player that has elicited this kind of debate between sports fans in my lifetime.

[<*)))><]

The only thing that irritates me (very little though) about the Tebow hype is when people say they've never seen a QB run the option in the NFL. But early this season they were praising Cam Newton for running option packages, lol.

Didn't Newton also throw for 400yards in his first game?

[Spicoli hey bud]

Didn't Newton also throw for 400yards in his first game?
In a loss.

[Tyler Vagyler]

In a loss.

To be fair, Newton plays with a MUCH worse defense (worst in the league) and the worst ST in the league too. Give him Tebow or Dalton's D and the wins go up.

[<*)))><]

In a loss.
He is only one player and most QB will go their entire career without throwing for 400yards.

[QuikTrig]

I don't hate Tim Tebow, but watching him play the NFL QB position is like watching a little kid attempt to put a square block in a circle hole. But somehow he makes it work.

water into wine, square into circle. just another day in the life.

[lp670sv]

can't stand tim tebow. no one is paying any attention to how well the defense is playing, or their running backs. only cares about tebow.

[SgtSmegma]

I view Tim Tebow like I view the wildcat offense. It's something unique and different that defenses don't really have a textbook way of defending at this point because they haven't been exposed to it much. It'll work for awhile with some effectiveness, but as soon as teams learn how to defend it, it will go away. The only caveat to that is that he learns to become an adept NFL passer, but I don't see that happening.

[<*)))><]

Wild cat has been around forever and back in the day all qb were like tebow.

[acousticore]

I view Tim Tebow like I view the wildcat offense. It's something unique and different that defenses don't really have a textbook way of defending at this point because they haven't been exposed to it much. It'll work for awhile with some effectiveness, but as soon as teams learn how to defend it, it will go away. The only caveat to that is that he learns to become an adept NFL passer, but I don't see that happening.

not this season at least. i could see him become an effective passer down the road but not anytime soon.
supposedly they're working on it. at least that's what elway said.

[porttheman]

can't stand tim tebow. no one is paying any attention to how well the defense is playing, or their running backs. only cares about tebow.

So shouldn't it be the media you can't stand? They're the ones who only bring up Tebow instead of the defense or the running game or the special teams.

[lp670sv]

So shouldn't it be the media you can't stand? They're the ones who only bring up Tebow instead of the defense or the running game or the special teams.

Yes. And really that's what it is but it's easier to a) say I hate him instead of explaining that I really just hate the media sucking his cock every 5 seconds and b) hope he fails and goes away because as long ad he continues too succeed they'll keep covering him nonstop.

Thy being said I'm also not a fan of him personally because I don't like the way he handled (or rather didn't handle) the situation with Kyle Orton and the fans. However I don't hate him personally for that it just pissed me off.