Animal Collective (Official Thread)

[E-Skeezy]

...is quickly becoming one of my favorite bands all time.


What do you guys think about the AC?

[motion sickness]

where can i listen to their music?

[Signals Corrupted]

i like three of the cd's, and the Bunyan collaboration.

[E-Skeezy]

where can i listen to their music?

I'm almost positive they have myspace.

[hollycroftpop]

animal collective is amazing. such interesting music.

Strawberry Jam is so much fun to listen to.

[SickOfStars]

I've become fucking obsessed

[Foxholes]

I've tried to get into them. What's a good starting point?

[SLoT]

I dig Strawberry Jam. Other than that, not really my thing.

[3mpire]

I think I was put off these guys after hearing one of their songs.

What's their best/most accessible?

[OtherBen]

if yr used to brand new/thrice/fall out boy, yr going to struggle to get straight into this kind of stuff.

check out their last two efforts for most accessible.

strawberry jam and feels.

[IWasaCamera]

Cannot stand this band.

[bowl of oranges]

Panda Bear is better.
Feels and Strawberry Jam are good albums though.

[Jumpoff]

I've listened to all their albums once, and still don't understand the hype. Maybe on repeated listens.. but right now it just doesn't make sense.

They sound like the type of band pitchfork would go crazy over though.

[dustyfloors]

I have to be in the mood for these guys.

[Troggy]

Cannot stand this band.

Yeah i tried...didn't like.

[Czarsy]

Music for dudebitches and hipsters. Terrible.

[IWasaCamera]

Ha, dudebitches.

[Tyler Revolution]

Strawberry Jam was highly disappointing.

[hollycroftpop]

I've tried to get into them. What's a good starting point?

I'd probably suggest Sung Tongs, listen to it at night.

I've listened to all their albums once, and still don't understand the hype. Maybe on repeated listens.. but right now it just doesn't make sense.

They sound like the type of band pitchfork would go crazy over though.

Yeah, they gave Sung Tongs an 8.9 and gave Feels a 9.0. Who cares? I don't understand what the big deal is with Pitchfork, does anyone actually look at the site and go by what they say?

Music for dudebitches and hipsters. Terrible.

lol... okay.

Strawberry Jam was highly disappointing.

What didn't you like about it?

[IWasaCamera]

Yeah, they gave Sung Tongs an 8.9 and gave Feels a 9.0.
9.3 for Strawberry Jam as well.
Who cares?
Sheep.
I don't understand what the big deal is with Pitchfork, does anyone actually look at the site and go by what they say?
Seriously?

[hollycroftpop]

Seriously?

honestly I've never talked to anyone who actually considers Pitchfork to be a great source for good music. most people chalk it up to elitism, so I don't really understand where all the anti-Pitchfork sentiment comes from, since I've never heard of anyone actually caring about them.

[Cuddleworthy]

I don't understand what the big deal is with Pitchfork, does anyone actually look at the site and go by what they say?

haha yes, unfortunately

[Tyler Revolution]

honestly I've never talked to anyone who actually considers Pitchfork to be a great source for good music. most people chalk it up to elitism, so I don't really understand where all the anti-Pitchfork sentiment comes from, since I've never heard of anyone actually caring about them.

I agree with this. I don't know anyone who takes Pitchfork seriously.

[Tyler Revolution]

What didn't you like about it?

Animal Collective have always been good at being experimental and sampling random noises and phrases in their songs. This time around it just seemed forced, and in the wrong places. It ruined alot of the songs for me.

[IWasaCamera]

honestly I've never talked to anyone who actually considers Pitchfork to be a great source for good music. most people chalk it up to elitism, so I don't really understand where all the anti-Pitchfork sentiment comes from, since I've never heard of anyone actually caring about them.
Your typical APer gets their "indie" tunes from Pitchfork. This may seem presumptuous but can we really claim that it's just a monumentally delightful coincidence when bands that receive absolutely no coverage are namedropped here after a positive review from Pitchfork? Fleet Foxes, The Dodos, Panda Bear, etc. The list goes on.

By the way, I'm not anti-Pitchfork at all. I enjoy reading their reviews. I merely dislike hype bands because they usually do not deserve the attention.

[hollycroftpop]

Your typical APer gets their "indie" tunes from Pitchfork. This may seem presumptuous but can we really claim that it's just a monumentally delightful coincidence when bands that receive absolutely no coverage are namedropped here after a positive review from Pitchfork? Fleet Foxes, The Dodos, Panda Bear, etc. The list goes on.

By the way, I'm not anti-Pitchfork at all. I enjoy reading their reviews. I merely dislike hype bands because they usually do not deserve the attention.

i suppose i could agree, but i would say that for all the talk of how pitchfork is bad in certain ways, people dont mind bringing them up.

[3mpire]

Was blown away to see Panda Bear appearing on so many album of the year, for 07.

Probably one of the most boring albums I've ever listened to. Could not get into it at all. Damn Pitchfork.

[Jumpoff]

honestly I've never talked to anyone who actually considers Pitchfork to be a great source for good music. most people chalk it up to elitism, so I don't really understand where all the anti-Pitchfork sentiment comes from, since I've never heard of anyone actually caring about them.

I dislike pitchfork because of the mars volta reviews. Stupid reason, I know. But generally I don't read their site.

[IWasaCamera]

i suppose i could agree, but i would say that for all the talk of how pitchfork is bad in certain ways, people dont mind bringing them up.
Oh, absolutely. The second you dislike something that AP generally loves, the old Pitchfork indie hipster arguments appear. I mean how else can one dislike Say Anything right?

[aaron401]

i keep hearing and hearing about them and casually listen to them.
which album do you think is worth purchasing the most?

[IWasaCamera]

Buy American Water instead.

[hockeyguitar99]

they are a little too odd for me

[hollycroftpop]

i keep hearing and hearing about them and casually listen to them.
which album do you think is worth purchasing the most?

again, Sung Tongs.

[SickOfStars]

pitchfork blows ass, mostly because of pretension, but also because it gives people the ability to shoot down people's enjoyment of artists because they are on AP and "only like them because pitchfork gave them a sweet review" and somehow want to seem intelligent.

[IWasaCamera]

Ha.

[SickOfStars]

Ha.

didn't mean that as a tirade on you. you brought up the subject, and it just makes me a little mad (so nothing on you, I like you), because for the most part I have never really fit with the whole AP stereotype, but people have accused all the music outside of its stereotypical realm of being an "attempt to seem smarter about music than I really am." and seriously that's just a bunch of fucking bullshit.

[IWasaCamera]

didn't mean that as a tirade on you. you brought up the subject, and it just makes me a little mad (so nothing on you, I like you), because for the most part I have never really fit with the whole AP stereotype, but people have accused all the music outside of its stereotypical realm of being an "attempt to seem smarter about music than I really am." and seriously that's just a bunch of fucking bullshit.
I never brought up intelligence/good taste/anything of the sort if that's what you're getting at. It's just a matter of blindly buying into hype (at least from the position I've taken, can't speak for others).

[SickOfStars]

I never brought up intelligence/good taste/anything of the sort if that's what you're getting at. It's just a matter of blindly buying into hype (at least from the position I've taken, can't speak for others).

Yeah, I apparently got kind of off track. It's more that people assume someone cannot enjoy music on a pure level and they're just buying into hype. A lot of that behavior gets associated with people who happen to use the boards on this site, and it sucks balls.

[IWasaCamera]

Yeah, I apparently got kind of off track. It's more that people assume someone cannot enjoy music on a pure level and they're just buying into hype. A lot of that behavior gets associated with people who happen to use the boards on this site, and it sucks balls.
It's a broad generalization and there are obviously exceptions. With that being said, I've witnessed first hand how fleeting someone's "love" for hype bands can be. Comes, goes, and annoys the hell out of me.

[SickOfStars]

It's a broad generalization and there are obviously exceptions. With that being said, I've witnessed first hand how fleeting someone's "love" for hype bands can be. Comes, goes, and annoys the hell out of me.

right-o, right-o.

can't wait until those individuals stop jocking baroness and I can go back to enjoying doom metal without getting self-conscious.

[IWasaCamera]

right-o, right-o.

can't wait until those individuals stop jocking baroness and I can go back to enjoying doom metal without getting self-conscious.
I'm far too big of a wuss for that. :-(

[SickOfStars]

I'm far too big of a wuss for that. :-(

different strokes for different folks. if it doesn't stroke your folk then it's not worth your time.

[IWasaCamera]

different strokes for different folks. if it doesn't stroke your folk then it's not worth your time.
I wish I could get into the heavier stuff but it really doesn't stroke my folk whatsoever. Who am I kidding anyway? I listen to same albums all the time so this shouldn't bother me at all.

[SickOfStars]

I wish I could get into the heavier stuff but it really doesn't stroke my folk whatsoever. Who am I kidding anyway? I listen to same albums all the time so this shouldn't bother me at all.

you have respectable taste that I enjoy a good deal of as well. honestly, you are not missing a whole lot by not being into heavier stuff. While I do love me some artsy-thrashing and the occasional overuse of downtuned long tones, I ultimately fear that it is music I may lose touch with in my later years.

[IWasaCamera]

you have respectable taste that I enjoy a good deal of as well. honestly, you are not missing a whole lot by not being into heavier stuff. While I do love me some artsy-thrashing and the occasional overuse of downtuned long tones, I ultimately fear that it is music I may lose touch with in my later years.
Yeah, definitely not tunes for 10 years down the line but some of it must bear artistic value right? It's always just struck me as slightly frightening, unpleasant noise.

[SickOfStars]

Yeah, definitely not tunes for 10 years down the line but some of it must bear artistic value right? It's always just struck me as slightly frightening, unpleasant noise.

that's the thing. I've never really listened to a ton of harder music that had little artistic value. I mean, sure bands like Transistor and Transistor are just really loud rock 'n' roll with lots of screaming, but I've listen to tons of harder bands that really like artistry in their lyrics, use of rhythm/time, or dynamics. Or all of the above.

Something about the louder music I listen to has always given me a particular feeling. I've been listening to something and a neighbor of mine came in and said "wow... so angry," when the emotion the song was emitting wasn't "angry" in the slightest. I guess it's just a matter of desensetizing yourself to the fact that it's loud and chaotic/and or "grating," and then the whole world just kinda opens up.

[3mpire]

Tried Animal Collective yesterday. Too strange/experimental for me. Could probably never get into it.

[IWasaCamera]

that's the thing. I've never really listened to a ton of harder music that had little artistic value. I mean, sure bands like Transistor and Transistor are just really loud rock 'n' roll with lots of screaming, but I've listen to tons of harder bands that really like artistry in their lyrics, use of rhythm/time, or dynamics. Or all of the above.

Something about the louder music I listen to has always given me a particular feeling. I've been listening to something and a neighbor of mine came in and said "wow... so angry," when the emotion the song was emitting wasn't "angry" in the slightest. I guess it's just a matter of desensetizing yourself to the fact that it's loud and chaotic/and or "grating," and then the whole world just kinda opens up.
I'm not sure I could really get past that first impression.

[Osto]

I think I'm moving past music like Animal Collective. I enjoyed Sung Tongs and Feels, but by the time Strawberry Jam came out I just felt grown out of this type of overly experimental music. A lot of the stuff sites like Pitchfork are whoring right now.

[doyouhas?]

i dont like animal collective. panda bear is good though.

[aaron401]

I went to fye today because i realllllly wanted to get into this band but all they had was strawberry jam.
I still bought it and I dig it, but i think i'd get more into the other albums.

[IWasaCamera]

Buy American Water instead.
Should have done this.

[hollycroftpop]

I went to fye today because i realllllly wanted to get into this band but all they had was strawberry jam.
I still bought it and I dig it, but i think i'd get more into the other albums.

get Sung Tongs. you won't regret it unless you do.

[mattybobviously]

Like everything post-Sung Tongs, the other stuff doesn't do much for me.

[GuitarR0cker1]

I like it!!! Very interesting stuff...

[Pat k]

Listened to For Reverend Green on my way to class today. Animal Collective rules

[Hey Kevin]

Your typical APer gets their "indie" tunes from Pitchfork. This may seem presumptuous but can we really claim that it's just a monumentally delightful coincidence when bands that receive absolutely no coverage are namedropped here after a positive review from Pitchfork? Fleet Foxes, The Dodos, Panda Bear, etc. The list goes on.

By the way, I'm not anti-Pitchfork at all. I enjoy reading their reviews. I merely dislike hype bands because they usually do not deserve the attention.


agreed

i'm on that site everyday and i love their guest list articles

I think it's funny that they hype HEALTH a lot and people know the name but i talked to a few people who i had seen at their last show and most of what they said was "i knew who they were but i guess i just like that remix"

[Hey Kevin]

Panda Bear and Animal Collective are like Morrissey (earlier stuff) and the Smiths to me.

I like them both and they have a similar sound but i never compare them

[WhitestKidUKnow]

i dig this band

[WhitestKidUKnow]

i also think this band is similar to xiu xiu

check them out if you haven't

[Hey Kevin]

i also think this band is similar to xiu xiu

check them out if you haven't

my world literature teacher has a sweet Xiu Xiu poster in his room
really nice band to listen to

[IWasaCamera]

I think it's funny that they hype HEALTH a lot and people know the name but i talked to a few people who i had seen at their last show and most of what they said was "i knew who they were but i guess i just like that remix"
Ha.

[Apoc]

I dislike pitchfork because of the mars volta reviews. Stupid reason, I know. But generally I don't read their site.
Uh... huge awkward bump, I know, but I had to quote this for absolute truth.

[llwilliamsll]

Wtf? Nice band though. Sung Tongs...Strawberry Jam were all enjoyable. Etc etc.

[Kid B]

I like this band. I wouldn't know from experience but I would assume they would sound great while high.

[Robototron]

So their new album just leaked and I think the entire internet just jizzed in its pants.

[llwilliamsll]

I like this band. I wouldn't know from experience but I would assume they would sound great while high.
Shows are even better. Especially adding the whole lights and such.

[Kid B]

Panda Bear and Animal Collective are like Morrissey (earlier stuff) and the Smiths to me.

I like them both and they have a similar sound but i never compare them
Some people would say Morrissey > The Smiths. Hey, Viva Hate owns.

[xmarksthespot]

animal collective's fan base consists of music listeners that think they "get it".
peacebone is the worst piece of trash i've ever heard in my life.

[Mikey Radigan]

I just heard their newest album that is coming out in a few weeks. It's pretty good, I think its their best stuff yet.

[Robototron]

Some people would say Morrissey > The Smiths. Hey, Viva Hate owns.

Who on earth would say that?

I'm not an Animal Collective fan myself. I think I heard whatever their latest album was in like 04 or 05 and hated it, then continued to ignore them even as they got increasingly popular. This new album is of course being hyped like crazy, though, so I figure I'll give them another chance.

I did listen to Panda Bear's latest album and it wasn't really bad or anything, but it didn't really wow me. And yeah, it did sound a lot like Brian Wilson/Beach Boys.

[Kid B]

Who on earth would say that?
I can't think of anyone at this particular moment. Overall I would definitely say that Morrissey's overall discography destroys the Smiths' as it is always consistent, unlike the Smiths who had two fantastic albums and two albums that wouldn't be be held to a the same regard (which isn't that highly held to begin with) if the Smiths hadn't released the Queen is Dead. Every Morrissey albums is great, Morrissey being better than all Smiths material save Queen. Strangeways, Here We Come is better than a couple Morrissey albums, but Viva Hate beats it.

[hockeyguitar99]

they are a little too odd for me

I was wrong, really enjoy this band now. Trying to get myself to not download the leak, but it's hard.

[hockeyguitar99]

animal collective's fan base consists of music listeners that like the bands music
peacebone is the worst piece of trash i've ever heard in my life.

Fixed it for you.

[The Database]

Good band.

[Hey Kevin]

animal collective's fan base consists of music listeners that think they "get it".


so are you saying you actually get it and realize it's trash or are you saying you dont get it?
cause if you don't get it then you can't form a valid opinion on it
and if you actually get it you're a liar

MPP is so good i cant wait to get the vinyl :D

[SickOfStars]

animal collective's fan base consists of music listeners that think they "get it".
peacebone is the worst piece of trash i've ever heard in my life.

no one "gets" animal collective. I thought that was the point.

You know, it may be fun for some people to just listen to absurd stuff that can still be pretty tuneful at times.

[Osto]

Their new album is easily the best thing they've done.

[IWasaCamera]

Will always be trash to me.

[xmarksthespot]

Well not everyone can be as good as The Starting Line, Jimmy Eat World or Further Seems Forever.

touche?

there are people on this board right now listening to 3oh!3 and metro station and you rag on me for listening to three bands i've been listening to since 1999. not sure what to think about that.

[smithariko]

animal collective is my favorite band. I don't know why, but I find the songs to be catchy.

[Hey Kevin]

touche?

there are people on this board right now listening to 3oh!3 and metro station and you rag on me for listening to three bands i've been listening to since 1999. not sure what to think about that.

the point is your dont think
you didnt realize those bands became increasingly terrible and continued to make them believe they were writing quality music.


and there is something to get about Animal Collective. it is simple.
Noise loops of field recordings and acoustic instruments arranged in basic folk and traditional song structures accompanied with obscure vocal melodies and lyrical content that is seemingly both childish and dark.
duh

[therobbert]

Will always be trash to me.

Why do you post in this thread so often you hate this band?

MPP is good, not great.

[Mens]

I just bought and listened to the new Animal Collective and it is definitely one of the best albums I've listened to in the past 2 maybe 3 years. I haven't been a huge fan of them but this album deserves a lot of attention.

and no you don't have to be on drugs to enjoy it

[Rodeo]

But it makes it a whole lot better!

[oddwithoutend]

Just listened to one song, very impressed.

[mht]

yes we get it this is the album of the century, okay enough.

[funkel]

Late pass.

[Osto]

It's pretty damn awesome. The only song I don't like on the album is Lion in a Coma.

[White Noise]

hypehypehype

[Mens]

yes we get it this is the album of the century, okay enough.

hypehypehype


It's definitely not the album of the century but it is worth a listen. The vocals are pretty awesome in this

[Mens]

But it makes it a whole lot better!


don't do drugs

[Rodeo]

don't do drugs


I have my card.

[chipdip18]

I've heard a lot of good things about the new album, but in all seriously, is it really that good? Pitchfork gives it a 9.6, that's pretty bold. How overhyped is it?

[shit stroll]

don't do drugs
:hitself:

[mht]

It's definitely not the album of the century but it is worth a listen. The vocals are pretty awesome in this


definitely album of the century, i heard it from people on this very website who are the end all/be all of music knowledge. they must be correct. so...

[mht]

animal collective

[oddwithoutend]

So Mike, who's your favourite band this week?

you seem like someone that would like this album, what's your take on it?

[mht]

his take on it is that this is the album since life originated from Adam and Eve, this was the music playing in the background when they were walking around naked eating apples and worms and shit.


this music was what dinosaurs listened to when they squatted in forests. album of the time

[mht]

album/band of the forever


they used session musicians! i know they did, they dont tour, must be session musicians

[Mens]

definitely album of the century, i heard it from people on this very website who are the end all/be all of music knowledge. they must be correct. so...

hey i can tell you are a little emotional about the whole differences in music taste thing, that's great man but don't let it get you down

[Rodeo]

Is the physical copy of this record in a digi-pack, eco-folder, or hard shell case?

[Rodeo]

If it was paradise, why would they eat worms?


It's the middle east, dude. It's a delicacy there!

[Rodeo]

How do you tell the difference? Or do you mean on CD?


yeah, yeah... the cd version. How is it packaged?

[llwilliamsll]

isnt there an animal collective thread already?

[Rodeo]

Oh right in that case I don't know, I only have it on vinyl. Not sure the CD version it out yet actually.


hmmm.. youre right... comes out the 20th.

[Rodeo]

isnt there an animal collective thread already?

Pretty sure that you're the only one giving a shit.

[x togepi x]

So Mike, who's your favourite band this week?

Yes, you of all people need to be ragging on people for changing their taste.

[mht]

Yes, you of all people need to be ragging on people for changing their taste.



hahahhahahahahah


and the worm was satan you fucking christiantiy bashing YOU BREAK EDGE IF YOU GET TATTOOS BECAUSE TATTOOS OUR POISON sheltered goon.

[mht]

edge break tattoos are poison

[Rodeo]

hahahhahahahahah


and the worm was satan you fucking christiantiy bashing YOU BREAK EDGE IF YOU GET TATTOOS BECAUSE TATTOOS OUR POISON sheltered goon.



xMYxBODYxISxAxTEMPLEx

[llwilliamsll]

Pretty sure that you're the only one giving a shit.
lolol why so mad?

[Rodeo]

lolol why so mad?


Because offering nothing to the conversation besides pointing out the obvious is a little annoying sometimes. SOrry for flying off the handle.

[mht]

christianity bashing 101

[Rodeo]

I am nothing compared to Mike. My tastes chage over months and years. Mike's change over days and weeks. He has an entirely new set of favourite bands every month.


Are you saying that you are boring?

[ThisIsNotDan]

AOTD.

still need to listen to this

[mht]

I am nothing compared to Mike. My tastes chage over months and years. Mike's change over days and weeks. He has an entirely new set of favourite bands every month.


that doesnt make sense because i have the same record collection since i joined this website, so if i didn't like the bands, with your logic, i shouldnt own something of theirs and sell it, and since i didn't buy even more than 5 records in the last 6 months, and own over 100, i would say your statement is very flawed. plus having releases from years prior and current give it a good mix to say I don't do what you claim. The proof is there.

[Rodeo]

I wonder when you posting like you have learning difficulties stopped being funny?


That's just hard to read and twice as funny with a British accent.

[Petzl]

definitely album of the century, i heard it from people on this very website who are the end all/be all of music knowledge. they must be correct. so...

I'm glad there are still AC haters out there, it just makes me love the album that much more.

[mht]

lets see

you got banned for bashing the christian religion
you got laughed at for saying straight edge kids beak edge for getting tattoos because tattoos are poison.

and now

you claim animal collective is the band since the dawn of time.


i don't make absurd statements like these posting on this forum. i actually have fun without being anal and coming off so stupid, but yet being serious like you do.

[Haartleey]

my girls, dope song.

didnt care too much about the rest of the album.

[Rodeo]

Converge, Bear vs Shark, Polar Bear Club.

Three bands of the top of my head who have gone from bands you have listed as favourites ever to bands you make fun of people for liking within a month/two month period.

But seriously, I don't care what you like, don't like, pretend to like or pretend not to like.

You may continue your Tourettes Syndrome approach to posting.


Converge released a new album he didn't like. Makes sense.
PBC released a new album he didn't like. Makes sense.
BVS broke up and THEN everybody got into a frenzy. Makes sense.

[wesgemm08]

Album is bore-fest 2009

[llwilliamsll]

Because offering nothing to the conversation besides pointing out the obvious is a little annoying sometimes. SOrry for flying off the handle.
and repetative threads aren't annoying? this thread points out exactly what a whole bunch of others are saying. i mean i suppose ill make a thread once i listen to this to share my opinions...

just saying...ultimately i really dont care. just bored.

[Rodeo]

and repetative threads aren't annoying? this thread points out exactly what a whole bunch of others are saying. i mean i suppose ill make a thread once i listen to this to share my opinions...

just saying...ultimately i really dont care. just bored.


Yeah, I feel you.. I really do... but drop those statements when the discussion is going nowhere... the material in here is Grade-A work!

[Rodeo]

He never prefaces his complaining with, their EP is good. He simple says they are shit, you are an idiot for liking them, I hope some John Wayne Gacy's your future children.


Sure, Mike and I have had beef in the past... but that is just downright WRONG.

"full length PBC and Ambitions albums both in the fall, going to be the best year for music in a long, long time."


That is on the front page of the official PBC thread stated by Mike. That is anything but, what you said.

[Rodeo]

I don't see what that has to do with anything.


Pretty sure you dont have to preface everything you say in life.

[llwilliamsll]

Yeah, I feel you.. I really do... but drop those statements when the discussion is going nowhere... the material in here is Grade-A work!
fair enough

[x togepi x]

I am nothing compared to Mike. My tastes chage over months and years. Mike's change over days and weeks. He has an entirely new set of favourite bands every month.

even if he changes his favorite bands, which he really doesn't since he merely just doesn't like all of certain bands releases, i think it's just kind of dumb to rag on someone for doing the same thing you did. the bands you posted about when you came here are way different than what you post about now. so what if your musical evolution happens over months and years and his is faster?

[B-Bones]

Converge released a new album he didn't like. Makes sense.
PBC released a new album he didn't like. Makes sense.
BVS broke up and THEN everybody got into a frenzy. Makes sense.

LOL. Not to be a dick, but why are you defending him? Protecting poor mht from the big bad Brit? ROFLMAO.

[Rodeo]

LOL. Not to be a dick, but why are you defending him? Protecting poor mht from the big bad Brit? ROFLMAO.


It's not defending Mike so much as it is defending intelligence. All of Mike's reasoning (that he has stated in other threads) makes sense.

[last light]

http://i84.photobucket.com/albums/k32/tylercwag/boomerDUHP.jpg

Sub DuhP w/ B-bo

[El_Jeffe]

might actually have to check this album out so i know what the bloody hell everyone is on about. i'm yet to check any '09 releases, not really a "leak" kinda guy

[Esrb99]

:popcorn:

[wesgemm08]

Also, what is the meaning of the album title? I thought it was a live album when I saw the title.

[Rodeo]

Because I don't act like a total douchebag to people for liking bands I myself loved a month ago.


Then it wasn't true love.

[oddwithoutend]

Everyone here needs to realise how much easier it is to say "You're stupid for thinking this album is amazing" than to actually defend an album as being the best in 10 years. The latter takes much more intellect, and any fool can say "hype".

Good review, by the way.

[Rawrr]

Also, what is the meaning of the album title? I thought it was a live album when I saw the title.
Heres the bands reasoning

Merriweather Post Pavilion is an outdoor music venue in a place called Symphony Woods in Columbia, Maryland. It was designed by Frank Gehry in the 1960's, and they've been having concerts there from 1967 up through today. We used to go to shows there while growing up and have fond memories of times spent on the lawn. For most of the time we've been playing together, both in Animal collective and the years before, we've tried to make music that would be deserving of an amazing outdoor listening experience. As both a name and a place, Merriweather Post Pavilion represents this for us

[mht]

Converge released a new album he didn't like. Makes sense.
PBC released a new album he didn't like. Makes sense.
BVS broke up and THEN everybody got into a frenzy. Makes sense.



funny part is, is that I have a BVS tattoo that I think i discuss every day on this website in a positive manner. Also I think I have made every Bars of Gold thread on this website so far too, if I really disliked them, would I do all that? lol

[mht]

Converge, Bear vs Shark, Polar Bear Club.

Three bands of the top of my head who have gone from bands you have listed as favourites ever to bands you make fun of people for liking within a month/two month period.

But seriously, I don't care what you like, don't like, pretend to like or pretend not to like.

You may continue your Tourettes Syndrome approach to posting.


this posts again makes no sesne because YOU ASKED ME WHAT I LIKE THIS MONTH on the first page, but now you are saying you don't care? You either have really bad humor or are really stupid, I think a combo of both.

[mht]

dude even staff members made fun of you for the shit you said about this album. come on now. you act like I am doing this because I dislike Animal Collective. I am doing this because you are the most 1 dimensional person on this website and any music discussion anyone has with you, you are never wrong.


i.e. The Kayo Dot discussion where you are convinced Toby used session musicians and 10 different users flat out told you, you are fucking wrong and you still repeated the same shit for 10 pages and refused to believe that for once your mighty elitism could actually in fact... be wrong.

[mht]

yet again to add to more of your flawed arguement i am pretty sure there is a youtube video of me in a hoodie that says CONVERGE on it plain as fucking day... so uh.... lol to the 3 most fucked bands you could pick.



I mean I agree with some of what you said, you just needed to use bands I actually did it with. Because you didn't lol.

[Jumpoff]

might actually have to check this album out so i know what the bloody hell everyone is on about. i'm yet to check any '09 releases, not really a "leak" kinda guy

Yeah. I thought their earlier albums were shit but all this love kidn of makes me want to hear it...

On the other hand, I've been discovering a shitload of good albums I missed out on so I probably won't check it out for a while.

[IWasaCamera]

I won't know how to react if Craig likes Animal Collective.

[chipdip18]

It's not, it is brilliant. Check it out asap.

Alright i'll give it a listen then. And did you like my responses to the GY!BE questions?

[Jumpoff]

I won't know how to react if Craig likes Animal Collective.

I was hoping you would say that you liked or hated it. I can pretty much judge if I liked them by you easily if Craig doesn't answer haha. (We don't have extremely similiar tastes or anything, but you also hate this band so if this album chnaged your mind that would tell me something at least)

[IWasaCamera]

I was hoping you would say that you liked or hated it. I can pretty much judge if I liked them by you easily if Craig doesn't answer haha. (We don't have extremely similiar tastes or anything, but you also hate this band so if this album chnaged your mind that would tell me something at least)
New album did not change my opinion of them at all.

[Chris Fallon]

Merged threads to make official one.

[Jumpoff]

Hail almighty Fallon.

So. Chris. Have you been sent the new Propagandhi album to review yet? lol

[Chris Fallon]

Hail almighty Fallon.

So. Chris. Have you been sent the new Propagandhi album to review yet? lol
I'm trying my best to get my hands on it -- hopefully in the coming weeks. I'm not sure if it's even mastered yet, to be honest. But yes, I want it now haha

[chipdip18]

Link?


http://www.absolutepunk.net/showthread.php?t=790792&highlight=godspeed

That should do it.

[x togepi x]

Everyone here needs to realise how much easier it is to say "You're stupid for thinking this album is amazing" than to actually defend an album as being the best in 10 years. The latter takes much more intellect, and any fool can say "hype".

Good review, by the way.

this goes both ways. i haven't seen anyone defend the idea that it's one of the best albums to come out in the past ten years. they just make said assertion.

[mht]

that's because people are so 1 dimensional and biased and think they are never wrong and don't need any jusftifiable evidence to support their claims... for whatever reason.

[chipdip18]

I like what you wrote definitely, but you'd need to flesh it out a lot to make it into a full article.

That's very true. But i'm not sure on how you were planning on formatting this, just my one response? Or a multi-person response like in the NMH discussion?

[x togepi x]

I wrote 650 words defending my opinion.

which can be answered by my six words: there is nothing avant garde about this band. cool. you can compare it to daydream nation, a really influential and good album, but it's nowhere near that. it's just hipsters with effects playing boring music. and this is coming from someone who actually listens to experimental music instead of old men.

[x togepi x]

It's avant garde mixed with pop. Which is basically what Sonic Youth did, hence the comparison. Not that I compared the two in terms of sound, just approach.

As for the bolded more than a few people would describe Sonic Youth as exactly that.

When the Sonic Youth did it, it was avant garde mixed with pop, but now those sounds are no longer avant garde. and Sonic Youth did this thing infinitely better.

[chipdip18]

I think if you took out the questions and just revamped it like an essay would be best. You already have the vast bulk of the article as it is.


Mmm i see, well i'll rework it out later, after i get some homework done for some classes.

[bowl of oranges]

I've been listening to this band a lot lately.

[oddwithoutend]

this goes both ways. i haven't seen anyone defend the idea that it's one of the best albums to come out in the past ten years. they just make said assertion.

You got me there, but Ben did write a good review explaining his side a bit.

[mht]

lol jesus christ just name dropping avant garde as a relevant genre for a typical hipster indie band like this is laughable at best.


this is why people who critique shit actually need to have experience with instruments and music theory and playing in bands, just being a writer and spewing unexperienced nosense is not relevant to a case. it's like me putting on a suit saying I can magically be a lawyer and proply defend someone and win....

[x togepi x]

Not comparable music. So what's avant garde in 2009?

You said this band does the same thing Sonic Youth did, which yes, they do, in 2009, when Sonic Youth did it in 1986. Thus, they aren't fusing avant garde w/pop. They're just playing fuzzy dream pop.

This band is far more out there than Daydream Nation ever is. As I said many times too it's avant garde + pop and hipster is not a genre.



I can play an instrument.

You haven't listened to Daydream Nation. This album does not push any boundaries whatsoever like that one did.

[mht]

what the fuck is avante guard + pop, are you trying to make up your own genre? why don't you just say they experiment very well with time changes and provide a fresh insight at trying different instrumentations for hipster kids that just got into this trendy music and found out what pitchfork was in the last year or two. because thats all it is. this stuff has been done by bands since the 90s on plenty of albums.

[x togepi x]

what the fuck is avante guard + pop, are you trying to make up your own genre? why don't you just say they experiment very well with time changes and provide a fresh insight at trying different instrumentations for hipster kids that just got into this trendy music and found out what pitchfork was in the last year or two. because thats all it is. this stuff has been done by bands since the 90s on plenty of albums.

Daydream Nation would be avant garde plus pop music. but obviously it came out in the 80s, so it's been done a ton by other bands in the 90s like you said.

[mht]

Daydream Nation would be avant garde plus pop music. but obviously it came out in the 80s, so it's been done a ton by other bands in the 90s like you said.


all this band is an edgier Pinback or Grandaddy, throw in a couple stupid parts like Vapire Weekend try to and be like today's Talking Heads and that's it, hype and $$$$ and kids with bad hair and tight jeans are jockin' hard.

[x togepi x]

This is not dream pop. Not that 'dream' is a real genre anyway. It's far too abrasive/eventful to be dream pop.

this album isn't abrasive at all, especially when you compare it to Sonic Youth, who you name dropped to give this band cred.


And I'm still waiting for you to tell me what avant garde is in 2009.

well since it's 13 days into the fucking year it's kind of hard to tell what trend will occur in avant garde music, but here's the thing, i'm calling out your bullshit assertion that this band is somehow avant garde. I don't need to show how it isn't avant garde, the burden of proof rests on you. How is this band pushing boundaries that essentially any shoegaze band or noise pop band hadn't been pushing ten years ago?

what is this band doing that No Age or Times New Roman didn't do last year?

What is this band doing that Sonic Youth didn't do in the 80s?

If you can't answer those questions, then it isn't avant garde at all, since no boundaries are being pushed. Pushing musical boundaries is the definition of avant garde music. They're just rehashing things being done before. They're a post-modern band. They take things Brian Wilson did, things Sonic Youth did and throw it in a blender. That's all they do. You think it works. I think on this album it's boring. That rests on a difference of opinion, but it's a fact that they are not avant garde.


Yes, I have 210 Sonic Youth plays on last.fm without listening to Daydream Nation.

You obviously didn't understand the album.

[mht]

Animal Collective sounds nothing like the Talking Heads with just a little more time change and other stupid noise added due to technology advancing and software synths increasing and shit like that? Give me a break

[x togepi x]

This album already has crediblity and I name dropped them because there are valid similarities between the two for the point I was making.

You know I meant credibility as a classic, which it can't have right now since it just came out. and it's awesome that you just keep making assertions that there are similarities but the way in which you compared to two was to show that they are basically doing what the Sonic Youth did, when they aren't. The Sonic Youth were fairly original in what they did. Animal Collective is not. They are just another noise pop band.

Make music that's good?

awesome, you ignored the entire point of my argument, which was that this band doesn't push boundaries like avant garde pop music would. they are just a rehash of things before which was why i name dropped all of those bands.

They sound nothing like Sonic Youth and there's loads of dance/hip hop elements here which Sonic Youth obviously never touched because that's not what they went for as a band.

Actually the album that came out 7 months before Daydream Nation, Ciccone Youth- Whitey, was nothing but dance/hip hop elements (well and a song talking about how awesome dinosaur jr was). Also, a lot of their SY series, where they go in a more avant garde direction has them experimenting with dance/hip hop, and they were doing that shit in the 90s. So yeah, you really don't know anything about the band you're namedropping, which is cool since you don't listen to experimental music.

There is no Sonic Youth in this album in terms of sound it is way closer to early Autechre and Kraftwerk than Sonic Youth. It's avant garde because they take elements of avant garde music and mix it with pop.

I asked you to show me which boundaries they were pushing that the other noise pop bands weren't. You didn't show me any. You haven't shown me any at all during this entire discussion, which means you can't prove they're avant garde anymore than any other hipster kid who read pitchfork and downloaded the leak can. You're just making assertions without backing them up. Avant garde requires boundaries to be pushed.



:rolleyes:

Your claims show that a lack of understanding has occured. Maybe you did understand it, but you just want ot make this album appear to be something that it's not so you're just engaging in sophistry. I don't know.

[x togepi x]

Animal Collective sounds nothing like the Talking Heads with just a little more time change and other stupid noise added due to technology advancing and software synths increasing and shit like that? Give me a break

seriously, my nintendo DS plus my alesis micron synth and my pedal board=something closely resembling this band.

I don't care if you're into this kind of thing. I think they're pretty good at times when i'm in the mood for it, but they are not experimental in the least.

[x togepi x]

By your reasoning Sonic Youth were not avant garde as all they did was rip off Glenn Branca and add Television.

They were important members of late 70s, early 80s no wave scene. They were one of the first bands to take the no wave aesthetic/sound and try to make it pop music. Nobody else in that scene was really doing that aside from the bands in england that would turn into shoegaze, and Sonic Youth was doing it differently than them. Your statment here is completely illogical. There's a huge difference between being one of the first bands to do something, like the sonic youth did, and being a rehash, like animal collective.

yes. they were noise bands before the sonic youth. every band has influences, but NOBODY did Daydream Nation before Sonic Youth did. There are enough bands doing what Animal Collective do for it to have its own name: noise pop. Huge difference.

So were/are Sonic Youth.

Name me some bands that made an album like Daydream Nation before Daydream Nation came out. Seriously. You're just trying to do what I did to you, but it won't work because I actually know what i'm talking about.

Again please name some avant garde acts so I can listen to them and/or know if what I listen to is avant garde.

do your own research.

And by this reasoning Sonic Youth are not avant garde.

I don't consider them to be avant garde (except maybe on the SY releases). I consider them to have combined and recontextualized the no wave scene into pop music.

Though, one could say recontextualizing the 80s no wave scene which was distinctly anti-pop into pop music would be avant garde. This is something few bands were doing before them, so it would put them as pioneers of this trend. This is completely different than Animal Collective who has an entire genre of comrade bands doing the same kinds of things.

[Hey Kevin]

Noise loops of field recordings and acoustic instruments arranged in basic folk and traditional song structures accompanied with obscure vocal melodies and lyrical content that is seemingly both childish and dark.
duh

i already said what animal collective is
and they are definitely avant garde for making pop songs
Daydream nation was not avent garde
maybe in the popular music scene they went into
and thank god someone mentioned their SYR albums
those fucking rule and are definitely avant garde

and if you want avant garde in 2009 (besides AC) look for Prurient, Bastard Noise, U.S. Girls, C. Spencer Yeh.

now i feel like a tool saying "avant garde" so much

[x togepi x]

i already said what animal collective is
and they are definitely avant garde for making pop songs
Daydream nation was not avent garde
maybe in the popular music scene they went into
and thank god someone mentioned their SYR albums
those fucking rule and are definitely avant garde

and if you want avant garde in 2009 (besides AC) look for Prurient, Bastard Noise, U.S. Girls, C. Spencer Yeh.

now i feel like a tool saying "avant garde" so much

People have been making noise pop for years now. they're not avant garde for making those songs.

[mht]

it's nothing original or refreshing by any stretch. that doesn't mean they aren't good at what they do or the albums are bad. they just aren't doing anything that is credible.

[mht]

just because the band has time changes does not make it avant guard. jesus fuck.



that logic that means Converge is avant guard-metal LOL at that. This avant guard-____ genre shit is a laughable excuse at idiots just being elitists.

[MyWorldEntire]

I can't get over how great of a song Summertime Clothes is.

[Hey Kevin]

just because the band has time changes does not make it avant guard. jesus fuck.



that logic that means Converge is avant guard-metal LOL at that. This avant guard-____ genre shit is a laughable excuse at idiots just being elitists.

how they create and build the songs is not common in pop music

also whoever said that bands have been doing that same style for years, id like to know who.

[x togepi x]

how they create and build the songs is not common in pop music

also whoever said that bands have been doing that same style for years, id like to know who.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Noise_pop

[Hey Kevin]

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Noise_pop

most of those bands existed after or during the same time AC started
and none of them create music in the same way
different styles man

and i must like noise pop cause those are A LOT of my favorite bands

[x togepi x]

most of those bands existed after or during the same time AC started
and none of them create music in the same way
different styles man

and i must like noise pop cause those are A LOT of my favorite bands

meaning that Animal Collective isn't this super unique band that everyone is hyping them to be. how do you know they "don't create music in the same way", are you in the studio with them? They've always sounded like another noise pop band to me. just one that everyone blows their load all about because it's the only time they've heard a noise pop band.

[MyWorldEntire]

I could care less how unique Animal Collective is, all I know is this is the best album I've heard in at least 2 years. (cue "you should be listening to better albums then" comments)

[shit stroll]

i don't care too much for their older material but it someone wants to send me a link to the new album i'll give 'em another listen. if not, no big deal.

[Hey Kevin]

meaning that Animal Collective isn't this super unique band that everyone is hyping them to be. how do you know they "don't create music in the same way", are you in the studio with them? They've always sounded like another noise pop band to me. just one that everyone blows their load all about because it's the only time they've heard a noise pop band.

You can see my explanation of animal collective's music in an older post maybe on this page or a page back.
I like them but i listened to other "noise pop" groups before i got into AC. if you are just going to end things in "to me" then i cant win this argument because it is about what you THINK they are. im arguing what they are, not what they sound like "to you".

[Robototron]

Boring argument is boring. Like all the bands being mentioned, zing!

Seriously, though, you want to argue about who did Noise Pop/Noise Rock/straight up Noise or whatever? That's ridiculous. Animal Collective are ripping off Sonic Youth who were just ripping off the Velvet Underground. See what I did there?

[Kid B]

just because the band has time changes does not make it avant guard. jesus fuck.



that logic that means Converge is avant guard-metal LOL at that. This avant guard-____ genre shit is a laughable excuse at idiots just being elitists.
avant-garde. Sorry, I usually don't make spelling comments like this but jesus christ.

[shit stroll]

am i the only person that has heard of vampire weekend????

[x togepi x]

Boring argument is boring. Like all the bands being mentioned, zing!

Seriously, though, you want to argue about who did Noise Pop/Noise Rock/straight up Noise or whatever? That's ridiculous. Animal Collective are ripping off Sonic Youth who were just ripping off the Velvet Underground. See what I did there?

You are one of the worst new posters on this board. Every claim you made was completely wrong.

[Robototron]

You are one of the worst new posters on this board. Every claim you made was completely wrong.

You really think Sonic Youth invented this type of music? Or that AC are just doing now what they did in 86? I'm sorry dude, I don't even like AC, and even I'll admit that even if it's not the most interesting music I've ever heard, they're certainly doing a little more than just ripping off Sonic Youth or making generic Noise Pop or whatever.

[x togepi x]

You really think Sonic Youth invented this type of music? Or that AC are just doing now what they did in 86? I'm sorry dude, I don't even like AC, and even I'll admit that even if it's not the most interesting music I've ever heard, they're certainly doing a little more than just ripping off Sonic Youth or making generic Noise Pop or whatever.

1. Yes, Sonic Youth did in fact invent this "kind of music" along with Jesus and Mary Chain and a few other bands. Oh god, i'm well aware the the velvet underground and no wave and shit existed before them and influenced them but Velvet Underground never sounded like Daydream Nation at all. I know, you read wikipedia's noise music section and think you can name drop, so whatever.

2. Animal Collective just makes noise pop. That's all. They might be good at it, but they're not unique or amazing. You guys just say they are because you don't listen to this kind of music that often. Cool. Did i say it was generic? No. Did I say it was bad? Not really. All I said was that this style of music has been done before and is being done by other people. They're not unique.

[Robototron]

1. You're the one sitting there namedropping now that people are calling you out on ridiculous opinions. VU is not a namedrop to anyone ever who enjoys music, and if you don't at least see the similarities between Daydream Nation and any VU album you're just being contrary for the sake of it. Now go wank off to No New York some more, please.

2. I didn't call them unique, I know a lot of bands are doing what they're doing. But I think it's unfair to say that they're simply a SY ripoff and nothing more. By your standard everyone doing Noise Pop today is ripping them off. Feel free to name some bands who aren't at any point in this thread, though.

[Robototron]

The Beatles were nothing special.

Radiohead are interesting. :wave:

To be fair, I did admit that The Beatles are massively influential in what they did for music, even if there are a lot of other bands from that time period who I find more enjoyable and/or interesting.

[x togepi x]

1. You're the one sitting there namedropping now that people are calling you out on ridiculous opinions. VU is not a namedrop to anyone ever who enjoys music, and if you don't at least see the similarities between Daydream Nation and any VU album you're just being contrary for the sake of it. Now go wank off to No New York some more, please.

You're a fucking idiot. When I admitted that Velvet Underground influenced Sonic Youth i said there were some similarities (that's what an influence means to all you namedroppers out there), but there is not one singular Velvet Underground album that you can listen to and say WOW SONIC YOUTH TOTALLY RIPPED DAYDREAM NATION OFF THIS.

Yeah, they influenced noise music, no sonic youth isn't the first noise band, cool you heard of the one popular no wave compilation. My claim was the infusion of noise/experimental into the popular music form was done much earlier by Sonic Youth than any of the bands mentioned in this thread. Velvet Underground never really touched this area of music since they weren't a pop band.

Before Sonic Youth and their brother/sister bands, pop music and noise music stood in direct opposition to each other.

2. I didn't call them unique, I know a lot of bands are doing what they're doing. But I think it's unfair to say that they're simply a SY ripoff and nothing more. By your standard everyone doing Noise Pop today is ripping them off. Feel free to name some bands who aren't at any point in this thread, though.

You should try reading this discussion again. The reason Sonic Youth got brought up was becasue he namechecked them in his review and then used them to explain why Animal Collective could be considered avant garde. I just pointed out that Sonic Youth was the one who really popularized the combination of noise/experimental and pop music and therefore, doing this combination wouldn't make one avant garde in 2009.

nowhere have i really implied that they sound alike. if sonic youth was being ripped off by this band, this band would be better.

[Stephen Chamberlain]

I downloaded this album and I'm tired of it already. Gimme new Tyondai Braxton material instead.

[x togepi x]

i would rather have more anthony braxton than tyondai braxton

[Rawrr]

Teenage Jesus and the Jerks
/Wikipedia-Reading Namedrop

[Stephen Chamberlain]

i would rather have more anthony braxton than tyondai braxton
Yeah but Anthony just dropped Beyond Quantum. It's been a bit since History That Has No Effect.

[Robototron]

Hahaha, the snobs on this bored are so uptight. You win, togepi, Sonic Youth are the progenitor of all Noise Pop music made ever and Animal Collective are just their bitches. Also, I don't really listen to No Wave and clearly only find out about music through Wikipedia (FYI if I wanted to namedrop I probably would've used Allmusic, though, Wiki's Noise Pop page is a bit dire).

[Stephen Chamberlain]

On the topic of Sonic Youth, I was bummed that no one talked about the Second Original Silence around here. That was sweet stuff.

[x togepi x]

Hahaha, the snobs on this bored are so uptight. You win, togepi, Sonic Youth are the progenitor of all Noise Pop music made ever and Animal Collective are just their bitches. Also, I don't really listen to No Wave and clearly only find out about music through Wikipedia (FYI if I wanted to namedrop I probably would've used Allmusic, though, Wiki's Noise Pop page is a bit dire).

Do you do anything for music besides post completely wrong things on a terrible message board? probably not.

[Stephen Chamberlain]

Hahaha, the snobs on this bored are so uptight. You win, togepi, Sonic Youth are the progenitor of all Noise Pop music made ever and Animal Collective are just their bitches. Also, I don't really listen to No Wave and clearly only find out about music through Wikipedia (FYI if I wanted to namedrop I probably would've used Allmusic, though, Wiki's Noise Pop page is a bit dire).
I dunno. Allmusic's always raising or lowering their album scores. Toxicity (by System of a Down) was recently upgraded to a perfect score. Bahahahahahaha.

[Rawrr]

If you want to learn about No-Wave(probably not) watch the first half of Kill Your Idols(the second half is just about the yeah yeah yeahs and is terrible).

[Robototron]

Do you do anything for music besides post completely wrong things on a terrible message board? probably not.

I wasn't aware that I had to do anything "for" music to enjoy it.

Allmusic's reviews are almost always terrible (except when it comes to the tried and true "classics"), and a lot of the times their genre pages are actually kind of fucked, but they're pretty good at picking similar artists, tracing who influenced who, etc. At least they were last time I looked. Their database isn't very good for Electronic music so I haven't really bothered with it in a while.

[x togepi x]

I wasn't aware that I had to do anything "for" music to enjoy it.

Allmusic's reviews are almost always terrible (except when it comes to the tried and true "classics"), and a lot of the times their genre pages are actually kind of fucked, but they're pretty good at picking similar artists, tracing who influenced who, etc. At least they were last time I looked. Their database isn't very good for Electronic music so I haven't really bothered with it in a while.

well i mean, the fact that all of your statements are ripped off wikipedia or any other one size fits all narrative about music kind of calls into question whether you really enjoy it all that much anyway.

[Robototron]

well i mean, the fact that all of your statements are ripped off wikipedia or any other one size fits all narrative about music kind of calls into question whether you really enjoy it all that much anyway.

lol

Yeah, because thinking that the Beatles and GY!BE are overrated, Animal Collective are terrible but still relatively original, and Sonic Youth are ripping off Velvet Underground are such popular opinions.

You're right, though. I don't really enjoy any of those bands very much (except VU), which is why I stopped arguing with you, because frankly I don't really give a fuck.

[x togepi x]

lol

Yeah, because thinking that the Beatles and GY!BE are overrated, Animal Collective are terrible but still relatively original, and Sonic Youth are ripping off Velvet Underground are such popular opinions.

You're right, though. I don't really enjoy any of those bands very much (except VU), which is why I stopped arguing with you, because frankly I don't really give a fuck.

Yeah, actually all of those are fairly common opinions. Why are you on a music discussion board if you don't want to discuss music?

and yeah, i'd think the sonic youth ripped off VU if i hadn't heard either bands also.

[Robototron]

Yeah, actually all of those are fairly common opinions. Why are you on a music discussion board if you don't want to discuss music?

and yeah, i'd think the sonic youth ripped off VU if i hadn't heard either bands also.

I do want to discuss music, I just don't want to discuss music that bores me. It's not like I haven't posted on here about music I enjoy. You act like all I do is bash artists, which isn't really true, I just happen to occasionally bitch about the ones you like.

Also, I wouldn't be talking about having fairly common opinions if I worshiped GY!BE and Sonic Youth. Congratulations, you are officially every college student I've ever met.

[x togepi x]

I do want to discuss music, I just don't want to discuss music that bores me. It's not like I haven't posted on here about music I enjoy. You act like all I do is bash artists, which isn't really true, I just happen to occasionally bitch about the ones you like.

You came into this discussion whining that it was boring. That is why i said why are you even here.

Also, I wouldn't be talking about having fairly common opinions if I worshiped GY!BE and Sonic Youth. Congratulations, you are officially every college student I've ever met.

One who lacks reading comprehension would say this about me.


seriously, post a velvet underground song and a sonic youth song that sound totally alike.

[Robototron]

I came into this thread and jokingly posted in order to point out how absolutely ridiculous it was to basically argue about who invented Noise-Pop. You would think that the "zing" and the "see what I did there" at the end of my post would be good tipoffs.

Unfortunately, someone who lacks reading comprehension decided that I was namedropping for the sake of it and started an argument.

[Hey Kevin]

On the topic of Sonic Youth, I was bummed that no one talked about the Second Original Silence around here. That was sweet stuff.

lets talk
that album fucking rules

[Hey Kevin]

If you want to learn about No-Wave(probably not) watch the first half of Kill Your Idols(the second half is just about the yeah yeah yeahs and is terrible).

an how big of a butch Lydia Lunch is


edit: i meant to say "bitch" but that came out better

[Hey Kevin]

speaking of Thurston Moore

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[SickOfStars]

I pooped a hammer

[Stephen Chamberlain]

lets talk
that album fucking rules
For real. The first one's crazy good, but I think I like this one even more. Anything that the the Thing guys are involved with is solid imo. I recently picked up their four disc box set thing.

Also, as regards Animal Collective, I think it's funny the way no one ever mentions the early Mercuy Rev influence on their sound.

[x togepi x]

I came into this thread and jokingly posted in order to point out how absolutely ridiculous it was to basically argue about who invented Noise-Pop. You would think that the "zing" and the "see what I did there" at the end of my post would be good tipoffs.

Unfortunately, someone who lacks reading comprehension decided that I was namedropping for the sake of it and started an argument.

It's not ridiculous. you're just a fucking moron who contributes nothing to this forum or music.

[Robototron]

It's not ridiculous. you're just a fucking moron who contributes nothing to this forum or music.

Sorry, I guess I'll just talk about how amazing whatever overrated flavor of the month is and never post my own actual opinions about music, maybe then you'll like me?

Also, lol @ you thinking I "contribute nothing to music" based on like 10 posts I made, total, disagreeing with your banal opinions.

[x togepi x]

Sorry, I guess I'll just talk about how amazing whatever overrated flavor of the month is and never post my own actual opinions about music, maybe then you'll like me?

Also, lol @ you thinking I "contribute nothing to music" based on like 10 posts I made, total, disagreeing with your banal opinions.

You purposely derailed a conversation between ben and i because you personally found it boring. this makes you worthless. and it's funny that you say things like I WILL TALK ABOUT WHATEVER OVERRATED FLAVOR OF THE MONTH when you are saying 65dos is the best post rock band ever just like everyone else on this forum currently is.

I don't think you contribute nothing to music based on 10 posts, i think it based one post where I asked you and you said you didn't other than enjoy it. Since you make blind assertions with no backing (ie: you still haven't provided the two songs I asked for), it's obvious that you have a much more shallow love of music than ben or me or mike or anyone else that's been posting in this thread.

[Robototron]

I never said that 65dos was the best Post-Rock band ever? I kind of remember saying that Fly Pan Am were. I didn't "derail" the conversation. I don't know if you understand how message boards work, but it's possibly for you to ignore posts that you don't want to respond to.

All this thread proves is that I have a shallow love for the bands mentioned in it. I doubt you'd really be able to talk to me about any of the music that I actually enjoy past casual listening.

[mht]

do any of you kids in here posting about avante-guard pop and noise pop actually take showers or are your jeans and v necks on so fucking tight your brain can't function correctly?

[valencourt]

I've never listened to them until yesterday. I've been hearing a bunch of hype about them (especially the past few weeks). So i listened to a few songs on their myspace. And I honestly couldn't understand the hype. I've always been one to understand and respect peoples tastes in music, but this just sounded like noise to me.

[oddwithoutend]

I've never listened to them until yesterday. I've been hearing a bunch of hype about them (especially the past few weeks). So i listened to a few songs on their myspace. And I honestly couldn't understand the hype. I've always been one to understand and respect peoples tastes in music, but this just sounded like noise to me.

If I remember correctly, only one song from their myspace is from the new album (My Girls). Maybe listen to that one again. Or not, whatever haha.

[fake empire]

People in this thread need to stop bitching about Sonic Youth and start talking about how amazing Merriweather is

[B-Bones]

Nothing more sick than a bunch of kids on a message board arguing over genre rather than ENJOYING ONE OF THE BETTER ALBUMS TO COME OUT IN A LONG ASS TIME. Get off it. Put on your headphones, smoke some pot, chill out, and enjoy the fucking awesome CD. Who cares whether it's avant-garde electro pop butt rock? It is pleasant to the ears, which is the bottom line.

[funkel]

Nothing more sick than a bunch of kids on a message board arguing over genre rather than ENJOYING ONE OF THE BETTER ALBUMS TO COME OUT IN A LONG ASS TIME. Get off it. Put on your headphones, smoke some pot, chill out, and enjoy the fucking awesome CD. Who cares whether it's avant-garde electro pop butt rock? It is pleasant to the ears, which is the bottom line.
What's the point of a discussion board then?

[B-Bones]

What's the point of a discussion board then?

Discussion =/= argumentation / name-calling. But maybe I'm just old-fashioned.

[funkel]

Discussion =/= argumentation / name-calling. But maybe I'm just old-fashioned.
I'd disagree that there wasn't some musical discussion. Ben and togepi's discussion of what avant garde is was pretty interesting imo.

[Robototron]

Discussion =/= argumentation / name-calling. But maybe I'm just old-fashioned.
ar⋅gu⋅ment

1. an oral disagreement; verbal opposition; contention; altercation: a violent argument. 2. a discussion involving differing points of view; debate: They were deeply involved in an argument about inflation.

[jbaseball44]

Never listened to them much but i just finished Merriweather Post Pavilion and i enjoyed it.

[chipdip18]

I'd disagree that there wasn't some musical discussion. Ben and togepi's discussion of what avant garde is was pretty interesting imo.


Seriously, i don't even know what avant garde is and now i'm interested.

[x togepi x]

I never said that 65dos was the best Post-Rock band ever? I kind of remember saying that Fly Pan Am were. I didn't "derail" the conversation. I don't know if you understand how message boards work, but it's possibly for you to ignore posts that you don't want to respond to.

All this thread proves is that I have a shallow love for the bands mentioned in it. I doubt you'd really be able to talk to me about any of the music that I actually enjoy past casual listening.

The things you said were so stupid I couldn't ignore them. Seriously, show me the sonic youth song that sounds just like velvet underground. surely you're not completely full of shit.

do any of you kids in here posting about avante-guard pop and noise pop actually take showers or are your jeans and v necks on so fucking tight your brain can't function correctly?

i took one saturday for the first time in like a week.

[Robototron]

The things you said were so stupid I couldn't ignore them. Seriously, show me the sonic youth song that sounds just like velvet underground. surely you're not completely full of shit.

Do your own research.

[x togepi x]

Do your own research.

Actually listen to bands instead of name drop them.

[Robototron]

Name a band currently making Noise-Pop that isn't as generic as Animal Collective and maybe then I'll actually have a reason to continue this argument.

[x togepi x]

Name a band currently making Noise-Pop that isn't as generic as Animal Collective and maybe then I'll actually have a reason to continue this argument.

because that has so much to do with sonic youth ripping off velvet underground. i'd try to change the subject too if i was taking your side.

[Robototron]

It has to do with my original point, which you obviously failed to understand.

[x togepi x]

nobody cares about your inane point. if you're willing to write off an entire genre of music as "generic" that's your loss. ben and i were discussing the beginnings of the genre only because it related to his review of this album, which you would have known if you didn't fail high school.

[Robototron]

nobody cares about your inane point. if you're willing to write off an entire genre of music as "generic" that's your loss. ben and i were discussing the beginnings of the genre only because it related to his review of this album, which you would have known if you didn't fail high school.

I wouldn't be talking about education if I went to Missouri State.

[x togepi x]

I wouldn't be talking about education if I went to Missouri State.

way to make fun of someone for growing up poor, you really do understand DIY music!

[Robototron]

way to make fun of someone for growing up in poverty. you really do understand DIY music!

Am I supposed to feel bad for you right now?

Anyway, to reiterate my original point and ignore this thread forever, I was simply pointing out that it's arbitrary to argue about who created a genre as vast and ill-defined as Noise Pop and related styles of music. Also that arguing about influence in such a matter is ridiculous given the inherently undefinable nature of "avant-garde" music. As I stated earlier, I don't listen to very much Sonic Youth or Animal Collective, but have heard enough of these band to be able to comprehend what music they've been influenced by, something you clearly know yourself, otherwise you wouldn't have brought up No Wave, the Jesus & Mary Chain, etc. Velvet Underground was pretty obviously a half-joking example to illustrate this, something you'd think would be obvious given my subsequent posts.

Now I you'd like to talk about something I actually care about, I'd be happy to make a thread about the influence of Dubstep on recent Minimal Techno, although I doubt such a thread would get many responses.

[x togepi x]

Am I supposed to feel bad for you right now?

nah, you should feel bad for yourself since someone who goes to a shitty public university is more intelligent than you. trust me, it's embarrassing as shit to know my degree is coming from there. whatever.

Anyway, to reiterate my original point and ignore this thread forever, I was simply pointing out that it's arbitrary to argue about who created a genre as vast and ill-defined as Noise Pop and related styles of music.

it's not really "vast" or "ill-defined". it's an obvious off shoot of shoegaze and some things 80s alt/indie bands were doing. If you look at a band like No Age, you'll see them namechecking the same influences.

Also that arguing about influence in such a matter is ridiculous given the inherently undefinable nature of "avant-garde" music

It's quite easy to define it retroactively. He essentially claimed they were doing the same thing Sonic Youth did. I pointed out that if they were, then it wouldn't be avant garde since that boundary had already been pushed. Just because you can say "x is ridiculous" doesn't make it true.

As I stated earlier, I don't listen to very much Sonic Youth or Animal Collective, but have heard enough of these band to be able to comprehend what music they've been influenced by, something you clearly know yourself, otherwise you wouldn't have brought up No Wave, the Jesus & Mary Chain, etc. Velvet Underground was pretty obviously a half-joking example to illustrate this, something you'd think would be obvious given my subsequent posts.

I called you out on this bullshit, you can say "oh well i was joking" but that doesn't really hide the fact that everything you said was basically just ripped off wikipedia. even if you were joking, it wasn't an original one.

Now I you'd like to talk about something I actually care about, I'd be happy to make a thread about the influence of Dubstep on recent Minimal Techno, although I doubt such a thread would get many responses.

maybe you should. but it's pretty fucking stupid to post in a thread about shit you don't care about.

[Robototron]

it's not really "vast" or "ill-defined". it's an obvious off shoot of shoegaze and some things 80s alt/indie bands were doing. If you look at a band like No Age, you'll see them namechecking the same influences.

I beg to differ. There are lots of bands today making Noise Pop/Rock who don't slot in as easily as the descendants of Sonic Youth. Are you going to tell me that all the band I've seen playing shit like Fuck Yeah Fest (No Age were terrible when I saw them there in 08, btw, disappointing, really), No Fun Fest, etc. are all just ripping off SY. Or that AC and No Age sound anything alike? I'd be interested to know why you consider AC an SY ripoff, but not No Age, btw.

I don't really think that AC are doing the same thing that SY did or even pushing their music in a similar direction. Correct me if I'm wrong, but I don't remember hearing Sonic Youth make a song so heavily influenced by Kraftwerk (actually that song sounds more like bad Italo x an attempt at Basic Channel to me, but that's how Lunchforthesky put it), or have a Techno sideproject? Especially not Daydream Nation era SY. Unless they jumped on the IDM bandwagon in the 90s like everyone else and I just ignored it.

And it's not my fault you have no sense of humor and didn't realize I was just fucking around until after you'd started arguing with me.

Also I'm typing this on my phone and can't figure out how the fuck to scroll down and edit this last bit so sorry about the end of my post.


I called you out on this bullshit, you can say "oh well i was joking" but that doesn't really hide the fact that everything you said was basically just ripped off wikipedia. even if you were joking, it wasn't an original one.



maybe you should. but it's pretty fucking stupid to post in a thread about shit you don't care about.[/QUOTE]

[x togepi x]

I beg to differ. There are lots of bands today making Noise Pop/Rock who don't slot in as easily as the descendants of Sonic Youth. Are you going to tell me that all the band I've seen playing shit like Fuck Yeah Fest (No Age were terrible when I saw them there in 08, btw, disappointing, really), No Fun Fest, etc. are all just ripping off SY. Or that AC and No Age sound anything alike? I'd be interested to know why you consider AC an SY ripoff, but not No Age, btw.

Find the word "rip off" in my last post. You won't see it.

however, as i pointed out like three times, before SY noise/experimental music and pop were considered a kind of binary. they thought that was stupid and started making noise that had pop sensibilities. It doesn't matter if every Noise Pop band sounds like them (i don't think they do), but they're carrying on in the same tradition. Much like every punk band doesn't sound like the ramones even though they're carrying on in theirs.

No Age does sound enough like Animal Collective that they share a genre. Do they sound a ton alike? Not really. This is true in every genre. Fugazi doesn't really sound like At The Drive-in even though they're both post-hardcore bands.

I don't really think that AC are doing the same thing that SY did or even pushing their music in a similar direction. Correct me if I'm wrong, but I don't remember hearing Sonic Youth make a song so heavily influenced by Kraftwerk (actually that song sounds more like bad Italo x an attempt at Basic Channel to me, but that's how Lunchforthesky put it), or have a Techno sideproject? Especially not Daydream Nation era SY. Unless they jumped on the IDM bandwagon in the 90s like everyone else and I just ignored it.

I answered this earlier. The Whitey Album by Ciccone Youth (Sonic Youth plus another guy who's name escapes me), which came out about seven months before Daydream Nation experiments with electronic/dance/hip hop. They also released an album in the SYR series later on.

but even if they didn't do this enough to your liking, they were the band that opened up the doors for noise being combined with other kinds of music in other ways. I am pretty convinced that no Daydream Nation= No Animal Collective/noise pop because of the massive contribution this album had.

And it's not my fault you have no sense of humor and didn't realize I was just fucking around until after you'd started arguing with me.

I have a sense of humor. I like jokes that are funny. I don't like jokes that rip off basic knowledge from wiki. Before you decided to ruin this thread, ben and i were having a good discussion about music.

[SickOfStars]

Oh Jesus Fucking God, whatever

I will listen to Sonic Youth and Animal Collective and define them as doo-wop

world = a'sploded

[Robototron]

Do you listen to a lot of post-punk, togepi? Other than No Wave, I mean.

[Hey Kevin]

do any of you kids in here posting about avante-guard pop and noise pop actually take showers or are your jeans and v necks on so fucking tight your brain can't function correctly?

actually the longer you wear tight clothes without washing them, the looser they get.


Also, as regards Animal Collective, I think it's funny the way no one ever mentions the early Mercuy Rev influence on their sound.

no one has any idea what they are talking about, that's why.
not saying anyone arguing (for or against) are idiots. i respect most regulars on here.
but they just dont like it and dont say it is their own taste but say they arent original enough for them or they blame the fact that "hipsters" and pitchfork like them. and now that the are coming up from the underground and becoming more widely accepted it is annoying to them that this band they dont like (or refuse to like) is everywhere, looking them in the face.
which i can relate to because i dont like a lot of popular music like whenever MCR puts out a new album it is all around me showing its presence but i could care less because i dont like them and i understand their music is not original. i could care less about the Hold Steady or the Gaslight Anthem, but it doesnt bother me that people respect them.

now im going to go be elitist by enjoying when people accept other music and like it even though it may be a little out there. and im going to continue reading pitchfork because they dont stop despite the trend to call them elitists.

[x togepi x]

Do you listen to a lot of post-punk, togepi? Other than No Wave, I mean.

i like wire and the pop group.

[x togepi x]

actually the longer you wear tight clothes without washing them, the looser they get.



no one has any idea what they are talking about, that's why.
not saying anyone arguing (for or against) are idiots. i respect most regulars on here.
but they just dont like it and dont say it is their own taste but say they arent original enough for them or they blame the fact that "hipsters" and pitchfork like them. and now that the are coming up from the underground and becoming more widely accepted it is annoying to them that this band they dont like (or refuse to like) is everywhere, looking them in the face.
which i can relate to because i dont like a lot of popular music like whenever MCR puts out a new album it is all around me showing its presence but i could care less because i dont like them and i understand their music is not original. i could care less about the Hold Steady or the Gaslight Anthem, but it doesnt bother me that people respect them.

now im going to go be elitist by enjoying when people accept other music and like it even though it may be a little out there. and im going to continue reading pitchfork because they dont stop despite the trend to call them elitists.


I'm a hipster and i'm pointing out that this is just hipster music and not original. That doesn't make it bad. it's just a fact.

[Hey Kevin]

I'm a hipster and i'm pointing out that this is just hipster music and not original. That doesn't make it bad. it's just a fact.

i respect that but all your posts are really long without actually giving any really good examples of bands that made the original AC sound before AC adopted it.

because Sonic Youth definitely did not, and that seems to be the name you keep repeating.
just give me like a 10 word reply or something simple that answers my questions exactly and i'll accept what you say.

[x togepi x]

i respect that but all your posts are really long without actually giving any really good examples of bands that made the original AC sound before AC adopted it.

because Sonic Youth definitely did not, and that seems to be the name you keep repeating.
just give me like a 10 word reply or something simple that answers my questions exactly and i'll accept what you say.

sonic youth.

they don't "sound like" them. they invented the aesthetic.

[Hey Kevin]

sonic youth.

they don't "sound like" them. they invented the aesthetic.

i really dont see it
but im guessing this will just end up being a "i see it as" argument so i wont bother

[x togepi x]

i really dont see it
but im guessing this will just end up being a "i see it as" argument so i wont bother

it has to do with the noise/pop binary that i was talking about.

[Jumpoff]

Listening to Summertime Clothes for the first time right now. Honestly sounds alright, but nothing that amazing.

[chipdip18]

After first listen, i enjoy it, but don't understand the huge hype, i'll let it grow.