This should be interesting...

[r_r_repeat]

Tomorrow we will learn if all the "respect the President, because God put him in office for a reason" conservatives can put their money where their goddamn mouths are.

[jagermeister]

Why? What happens tomorrow?

[Machu505]

Who is this Obama fellow everyone keeps talking about?

[r_r_repeat]

Who is this Obama fellow everyone keeps talking about?

A DAMNED RADICAL MUSLIM TERRORIST!

[iheartmusic043]

A DAMNED RADICAL MUSLIM TERRORIST!

Jeez. Someone's a tad bit racist.

I wasn't happy when Bush got elected and re-elected either so Republicans, now it's your time to suffer through what you call having a "bad" president.

[jagermeister]

Jeez. Someone's a tad bit racist.

I wasn't happy when Bush got elected and re-elected either so Republicans, now it's your time to suffer through what you call having a "bad" president.

You fail. You've got to be the only person on this forum unable to pick up the sarcasm in this thread.

[r_r_repeat]

You fail. You've got to be the only person on this forum unable to pick up the sarcasm in this thread.

Precisely what I was about to post.

[iheartmusic043]

Sorry lol. I'm still kinda half asleep and I hear racist comments about Obama alot from my older relatives. My realatives make me angry.

[Skadrist]

Fuck the racist comments either way the guy is going to be president.

[xshady121]

Tomorrow we will learn if all the "respect the President, because God put him in office for a reason" conservatives can put their money where their goddamn mouths are.

Hah this is great. I bet you were one of those same people yelling "not my president" the past 8 years. 3 cheers for hypocrisy!

[r_r_repeat]

Hah this is great. I bet you were one of those same people yelling "not my president" the past 8 years. 3 cheers for hypocrisy!

Your naïvety is cute. The difference is, I don't ask anyone to respect the President. I just find it ironic that the SAME people who were screaming "YOU HAVE TO RESPECT HIM, HE'S OUR PRESIDENT!" are the same people who are shit-talking Obama in much the same fashion we shit-talked Bush. So really, they're the hypocrites. Nice try, though. Maybe next time brush up on your logic skills before you try to speak.

P.S. I never said Bush wasn't my President. Yes, he was my President. Doesn't mean I respected him.

EDIT: How the FUCK are you a poli sci major?

[xshady121]

Your naïvety is cute. The difference is, I don't ask anyone to respect the President. I just find it ironic that the SAME people who were screaming "YOU HAVE TO RESPECT HIM, HE'S OUR PRESIDENT!" are the same people who are shit-talking Obama in much the same fashion we shit-talked Bush. So really, they're the hypocrites. Nice try, though. Maybe next time brush up on your logic skills before you try to speak.

P.S. I never said Bush wasn't my President. Yes, he was my President. Doesn't mean I respected him.

I think it's rather funny that the people who didn't bother respecting our president are the same ones saying "you better be true to your word and respect this one". It's a two way street. You're the reason for this partisan divide. Congratulations.

[r_r_repeat]

I think it's rather funny that the people who didn't bother respecting our president are the same ones saying "you better be true to your word and respect this one". It's a two way street. You're the reason for this partisan divide. Congratulations.

No.. it's not a two-way street. I'm simply pointing out hypocrisy. I'm not holding them to anything because I know they won't do it. I never said "They better do it." I said it would be interesting to see if they will. Which they won't, as signified by the excess of "NOBAMA" shirts I've seen around my area.

The many examples of hypocrisy in the Republican Party are a source of never-ending entertainment for me, as are people like you.

[xshady121]

No.. it's not a two-way street. I'm simply pointing out hypocrisy. I'm not holding them to anything because I know they won't do it. I never said "They better do it." I said it would be interesting to see if they will. Which they won't, as signified by the excess of "NOBAMA" shirts I've seen around my area.

The many examples of hypocrisy in the Republican Party are a source of never-ending entertainment for me, as are people like you.

There is a difference between respecting the office of the President and respecting the man who holds it.

People like you have done neither.

[r_r_repeat]

There is a difference between respecting the office of the President and respecting the man who holds it.

People like you have done neither.

I'm not sure how you made that deduction, but I stopped trying to comprehend your lack of logic a little while ago.

[xshady121]

EDIT: How the FUCK are you a poli sci major?

Yeah, there are no conservative poli sci majors. Anywhere. Ever.

[r_r_repeat]

Yeah, there are no conservative poli sci majors. Anywhere. Ever.

Because I was obviously referring to your conservativism, not your horrible logic skills.

[perceptrons]

There is a difference between respecting the office of the President and respecting the man who holds it.

People like you have done neither.
Respecting the office? How would one go about doing that?

The man who holds the office is the only one who is capable of being given respect.

[xshady121]

I'm not sure how you made that deduction, but I stopped trying to comprehend your lack of logic a little while ago.

Throwing a shoe at a leader of any nation is disrespecting the office of the President. Heckling a President during the state of the union is disrespecting the office.

You can hold rallys against his policies, boo him when he throws out the first pitch at the Nationals games, or any other way Bush has been ridiculed. But at the end of the day, he's still the President, and the office he holds has a certain element of prestige to it. There is no good reason anyone should ever be heckling him during a state of the union, or worse, when he is giving a speech during a citizenship ceremony. (http://www.poligazette.com/2008/07/06/bush-hecklers-crash-citizenship-ceremony/)

[xshady121]

Respecting the office? How would one go about doing that?

The man who holds the office is the only one who is capable of being given respect.

You want to sit on his ranch in texas and curse at him, go ahead and be my guest. Cindy Sheehan want's him to bring the troops home, I'd have to say I'd agree with her. Stand on his front lawn and yell until your face turns blue. But there is no reason to heckle him during speeches when he is carrying out the duties of the office like a State of the Union, calling him war criminal. It undermines the power of the Presidency.

[r_r_repeat]

Throwing a shoe at a leader of any nation is disrespecting the office of the President. Heckling a President during the state of the union is disrespecting the office.

You can hold rallys against his policies, boo him when he throws out the first pitch at the Nationals games, or any other way Bush has been ridiculed. But at the end of the day, he's still the President, and the office he holds has a certain element of prestige to it. There is no good reason anyone should ever be heckling him during a state of the union, or worse, when he is giving a speech during a citizenship ceremony. (http://www.poligazette.com/2008/07/06/bush-hecklers-crash-citizenship-ceremony/)

I did all those things. It was I who threw the shoe at Bush. I go to ALL his speeches and heckle him. It's so fun.

[perceptrons]

You want to sit on his ranch in texas and curse at him, go ahead and be my guest. Cindy Sheehan want's him to bring the troops home, I'd have to say I'd agree with her. Stand on his front lawn and yell until your face turns blue. But there is no reason to heckle him during speeches when he is carrying out the duties of the office like a State of the Union, calling him war criminal. It undermines the power of the Presidency.
I wouldn't do that to anyone, not out of respect, but because I think it's retarded.

[a speedo model]

Tomorrow we will learn if all the "respect the President, because God put him in office for a reason" conservatives can put their money where their goddamn mouths are.
Also, we will see if the other side can live up to their fat mouths, as well, eh?

[WakingTheMisery]

I don't get the arguments. They seem quite dumb. You people sound like my mother.

"Is Bush worse than the black guy?"

Shut the fuck up and deal with it.

[atticus1492]

Ya, but I bet you didn't know that he was born in Africa, and raised a Muslim.

[atticus1492]

Yeah, there are no conservative poli sci majors. Anywhere. Ever.

Not true. I met about 4.

[Skadrist]

A person's political opinions can blindside people. For example, I am for socialized medicine, extremely pro-union and pro-labor. I consider myself a Liberal, and perhaps a Democratic Socialist yet I own a few guns.

Another perhaps a better example was a girl I met who was: vegetarian, rode a bicycle, did yoga. Traits I would not attribute to anyone on the Right yet she was a Republican; and a Jesus Freak at that.

[Nevuk]

There is a difference between respecting the office of the President and respecting the man who holds it.

People like you have done neither.
The man is the office. Look at Tyler or Andrew Jackson for proof.

[Juturna25]

communist russia circa 1984

[Nevuk]

I've actually never met a liberal polisci major.

[DryEarth]

I've actually never met a liberal polisci major.


I tried to write a paper about that once, until I realized the head of the political science department at the local university was one.

[Lueda Alia]

I've actually never met a liberal polisci major.
I'll be one.

[DryEarth]

I'll be one.
So far we're up to 2.

[Nevuk]

I know liberal political theory majors here, but the entire political science program is run by the incredibly conservative IRAPP group at my university. So that kind of explains it, and while the university as a whole is extremely liberal the political program is farther right than I expected.
edit: and most government majors are libertarian.. ironic

[1Roth4]

I've actually never met a liberal polisci major.

What school do you go to, FOX University?

The Political Theory professors are all liberal, as well as the IR professors, and the Canadian Politics professors are socialists. (or left of liberal...green..etc.)

[1Roth4]

I'll be one.

You're not going to fool me Eda. I think you're a closet Conservative. You love Harpers sweater-vests... admit it.

[and we whisper]

Probably won't happen. I talked to this guy this morning who (besides being a devout Palin 2012 supporter) said America didn't elect a Presidential candidate, but rather a "black guy," so good job America, apparently we're stupid and biased.
My reply was simply, "It's a little late, get over it."

[jagermeister]

Why is it such a big deal to mention every 45 seconds that Obama is a black man?

I get the history of racism, slavery, etc in the United States and how it (racism, not slavery) still exists very much throughout the country. But what does pointing out a man's skin colour do besides centre him out, and really just put emphasis on the fact that we still see race as an issue or something of concern? It makes no sense to me. I'm watching CNN right now and Wolf Blitzer feels the need to point out who is black and who isn't when he talks.

For the record, I do realize how big a deal it is for this man to be the President today, I'm not an asshole or ignorant like that. Just something that bothers me, I guess.

[Circa1628]

I've actually never met a liberal polisci major.

what?

[Tyler Dumont]

Why is it such a big deal to mention every 45 seconds that Obama is a black man?

I get the history of racism, slavery, etc in the United States and how it (racism, not slavery) still exists very much throughout the country. But what does pointing out a man's skin colour do besides centre him out, and really just put emphasis on the fact that we still see race as an issue or something of concern? It makes no sense to me. I'm watching CNN right now and Wolf Blitzer feels the need to point out who is black and who isn't when he talks.

For the record, I do realize how big a deal it is for this man to be the President today, I'm not an asshole or ignorant like that. Just something that bothers me, I guess.

This.

[r_r_repeat]

Why is it such a big deal to mention every 45 seconds that Obama is a black man?

I get the history of racism, slavery, etc in the United States and how it (racism, not slavery) still exists very much throughout the country. But what does pointing out a man's skin colour do besides centre him out, and really just put emphasis on the fact that we still see race as an issue or something of concern? It makes no sense to me. I'm watching CNN right now and Wolf Blitzer feels the need to point out who is black and who isn't when he talks.

For the record, I do realize how big a deal it is for this man to be the President today, I'm not an asshole or ignorant like that. Just something that bothers me, I guess.

This.

[Nevuk]

what?
I live in Kentucky...

[Lueda Alia]

You're not going to fool me Eda. I think you're a closet Conservative. You love Harpers sweater-vests... admit it.
I actually think he's a little scary looking. :shudder:

[Lueda Alia]

I live in Kentucky...
I feel bad for you.

[captainhampton]

I feel bad for you.

you ever been to Kentucky?

[Lueda Alia]

you ever been to Kentucky?
You ever been to Iraq?

[captainhampton]

You ever been to Iraq?

nope and I haven't made any comments saying I felt bad that someone was from there. you ever been to Kentucky or are you just basing your Kentucky bashing off stereotypes you have heard?

[Lueda Alia]

nope and I haven't made any comments saying I felt bad that someone was from there. you ever been to Kentucky or are you just basing your Kentucky bashing off stereotypes you have heard?
You completely missed the point.

[captainhampton]

You completely missed the point.

and you haven't answered my question. what's so wrong with Kentucky? tell me about your trip there?

[Lueda Alia]

and you haven't answered my question. what's so wrong with Kentucky? tell me about your trip there?
He's surrounded by Conservatives, hence the comment. Was that so hard to figure out?

Before you bring up the same point as above, try to figure out what I meant by my "Iraq" reply, or don't even bother responding. There's no reason for me to address your replies when you're incapable of making simple connections.

[Machu505]

Kentucky is an awful place, at least from my experience.

[HashHolly]

Why is it such a big deal to mention every 45 seconds that Obama is a black man?

I get the history of racism, slavery, etc in the United States and how it (racism, not slavery) still exists very much throughout the country. But what does pointing out a man's skin colour do besides centre him out, and really just put emphasis on the fact that we still see race as an issue or something of concern? It makes no sense to me. I'm watching CNN right now and Wolf Blitzer feels the need to point out who is black and who isn't when he talks.

For the record, I do realize how big a deal it is for this man to be the President today, I'm not an asshole or ignorant like that. Just something that bothers me, I guess.

Its a big deal to mention every 45 seconds because frankly its a huge fucking deal for a black man to be elected president of the United States of America. Your right, consider the history of racism, slavery, hell less than a century ago blacks were being hosed for standing up for their rights so yes, its a BIG FUCKING DEAL that a black man is now the commander and chief.

We do still see race as an issue, and whether it is mentioned every 45 seconds or not the President will be centered out because, hell he IS black, he IS the first black president, he's going to be in a spotlight for that regardless. What mentioning it every 45 seconds does is reinforce the fact that even with our history of racism, slavery, segregation, that we can look past the color of someones skin, and rather look at their character, that anything is possible in the United States of America, that any American citizen really does have the ability to live the American dream.....it says there is hope for us to look past our differences.

If that does'nt make sense to you, im not sure what will.

[BrennanHickson]

EDIT: How the FUCK are you a poli sci major?

Hahaha, basing off of this sentence, we share a mutual disliking for this xshady121.

[stayforawhile]

Fuck the racist comments either way the guy is going to be president.
Exactly! I love your take on this.

[GiggsOho]

Its a big deal to mention every 45 seconds because frankly its a huge fucking deal for a black man to be elected president of the United States of America. Your right, consider the history of racism, slavery, hell less than a century ago blacks were being hosed for standing up for their rights so yes, its a BIG FUCKING DEAL that a black man is now the commander and chief.

We do still see race as an issue, and whether it is mentioned every 45 seconds or not the President will be centered out because, hell he IS black, he IS the first black president, he's going to be in a spotlight for that regardless. What mentioning it every 45 seconds does is reinforce the fact that even with our history of racism, slavery, segregation, that we can look past the color of someones skin, and rather look at their character, that anything is possible in the United States of America, that any American citizen really does have the ability to live the American dream.....it says there is hope for us to look past our differences.

If that does'nt make sense to you, im not sure what will.


:appl: :appl: :appl:

[thetrueblood]

Throwing a shoe at a leader of any nation is disrespecting the office of the President. Heckling a President during the state of the union is disrespecting the office.

You can hold rallys against his policies, boo him when he throws out the first pitch at the Nationals games, or any other way Bush has been ridiculed. But at the end of the day, he's still the President, and the office he holds has a certain element of prestige to it. There is no good reason anyone should ever be heckling him during a state of the union, or worse, when he is giving a speech during a citizenship ceremony. (http://www.poligazette.com/2008/07/06/bush-hecklers-crash-citizenship-ceremony/)

at the end of today he was no longer the president

[jagermeister]

Its a big deal to mention every 45 seconds because frankly its a huge fucking deal for a black man to be elected president of the United States of America. Your right, consider the history of racism, slavery, hell less than a century ago blacks were being hosed for standing up for their rights so yes, its a BIG FUCKING DEAL that a black man is now the commander and chief.

We do still see race as an issue, and whether it is mentioned every 45 seconds or not the President will be centered out because, hell he IS black, he IS the first black president, he's going to be in a spotlight for that regardless. What mentioning it every 45 seconds does is reinforce the fact that even with our history of racism, slavery, segregation, that we can look past the color of someones skin, and rather look at their character, that anything is possible in the United States of America, that any American citizen really does have the ability to live the American dream.....it says there is hope for us to look past our differences.

If that does'nt make sense to you, im not sure what will.

No, no I get it. I understand how important this is. But I don't need to be reminded he's black considering I've seen the man and its been mentioned about a million times already. Just kind of gets old and repetitive.

[Nevuk]

you ever been to Kentucky?
Valid point. Kentucky is incredibly pretty and scenic, and the amount of stupid people isn't any higher than anywhere else. There are areas of incredible poverty and near-lawlessness, as well as some incredibly corrupt towns. I live in one of the most liberal cities in Kentucky, at the most liberal college. However, it just works out that most people highly into politics in Kentucky are at the least, conservative slanted or moderates. In fact, most of the student poli-sci majors here I would call moderate democrats, I've just never met an out and out liberal one.

[r_r_repeat]

Hahaha, basing off of this sentence, we share a mutual disliking for this xshady121.

I have no problem with the person, just his horrific lack of reasoning. Lol.

[1Roth4]

He's surrounded by Conservatives, hence the comment. Was that so hard to figure out?

Before you bring up the same point as above, try to figure out what I meant by my "Iraq" reply, or don't even bother responding. There's no reason for me to address your replies when you're incapable of making simple connections.

I live in Kentucky...
I feel bad for you.


I realize there is "ranges" of Conservatism, but come on. You can't really condemn a place as being an awful place because of a majority's political ideology. Do I think Canada is a terrible place for being left of center? No. Do I think you are an awful person for being left of center? Of course not. I'll respect you the same way I respect everyone else, regardless of anyones political affiliation.

I think this is the same of type of political games Obama wants to put an end to. And the kind of rhetoric you condemn from our Canadian Conservatives.

Just a thought.

[Lueda Alia]

I realize there is "ranges" of Conservatism, but come on. You can't really condemn a place as being an awful place because of a majority's political ideology. Do I think Canada is a terrible place for being left of center? No. Do I think you are an awful person for being left of center? Of course not. I'll respect you the same way I respect everyone else, regardless of anyones political affiliation.

I think this is the same of type of political games Obama wants to put an end to. And the kind of rhetoric you condemn from our Canadian Conservatives.

Just a thought.
Haha I'm not allowed to dislike a place because of its political ideology? I don't really understand why you have such a hard time accepting a different opinion. I am not a fan of Conservatism, so I would absolutely hate to live in a state where I'm surrounded by Conservatives. Many people on either side feel the same way. There is nothing wrong with it.

I can respect people with different opinions, but that doesn't mean that I want to be surrounded by them. There is a big difference.

[1Roth4]

Haha I'm not allowed to dislike a place because of its political ideology? I don't really understand why you have such a hard time accepting a different opinion. I am not a fan of Conservatism, so I would absolutely hate to live in a state where I'm surrounded by Conservatives. Many people on either side feel the same way. There is nothing wrong with it.

I can respect people with different opinions, but that doesn't mean that I want to be surrounded by them. There is a big difference.

So you're saying you would never live in a place because of its predominant political ideology. Seeing as how you're a self-proclaimed "socialist" how are you tolerating Ontario?

I don't have a hard time accepting different opinions, but it is quite clear you do. Seeing as how it was you that said you wouldn't want to live in a place due to their opinions being different than yours.

[Lueda Alia]

So you're saying you would never live in a place because of its predominant political ideology. Seeing as how you're a self-proclaimed "socialist" how are you tolerating Ontario?
I would not want to be a part of a society that opposes social issues that I feel passionate about. It's really that simple.

You would not want to be a part of a Fascist society, would you?

I'm fine in Ontario because most people around me feel the same way I do about important issues.

I don't have a hard time accepting different opinions, but it is quite clear you do. Seeing as how it was you that said you wouldn't want to live in a place due to their opinions being different than yours.
Not wanting to live with people that have opposing views means that I don't accept different opinions? That doesn't even make sense. I accept different opinions, but again, that does not mean that I want to be surrounded by people who hold them. Many people I know in the Southern states hate living there because their beliefs are very different form the majority.

I don't quite understand why you have such a hard time understanding this. Plenty of our users here have expressed their dislike for the states they live in because they are too Conservative. And they want to leave so that they can go to a different state where they won't be ridiculed for their views. It's normal.

You're really not making sense here.

[Lueda Alia]

I find it amusing that you have to argue with every single opinion I hold. It seems as though you quote everything I say and start drilling me about my opinions. I'm not quite sure why you do it, or why you single me out rather, but it's highly amusing. I hope you eventually realize that my logic will never make sense to you and vice versa.

[1Roth4]

I would not want to be a part of a society that opposes social issues that I feel passionate about. It's really that simple.

You would not want to be a part of a Fascist society, would you?

I'm fine in Ontario because most people around me feel the same way I do about important issues.


Not wanting to live with people that have opposing views means that I don't accept different opinions? That doesn't even make sense. I accept different opinions, but again, that does not mean that I want to be surrounded by people who hold them. Many people I know in the Southern states hate living there because their beliefs are very different form the majority.

I don't quite understand why you have such a hard time understanding this. Plenty of our users here have expressed their dislike for the states they live in because they are too Conservative. And they want to leave so that they can go to a different state where they won't be ridiculed for their views. It's normal.

You're really not making sense here.

With all due respect Eda, I don't think you're making too much sense either.

I can understand your first point. Social issues you believe in are being changed, you're right, I would not want to live in that society either. But I'm not sure how you can call me out and say "I have a tough time accepting others opinions," when you're basically saying you would have a tough time, living in state with a dominant opposite opinion, thus showing you can't really accept the presence of an opposite opinion.

Calling out Kentucky for being too Conservative, is like saying Ontario is too liberal. Sure, its dominant, but its not the only view. 98 % of the people I hang around with are Liberal, and I mean Liberal. Doesn't mean I stop hanging out with them. We share some views, oppose in others. Too many people look at political ideology as black and white. You're either Red or you're Blue, Liberal or Conservative. I don't really buy into it.

[1Roth4]

I find it amusing that you have to argue with every single opinion I hold. It seems as though you quote everything I say and start drilling me about my opinions. I'm not quite sure why you do it, or why you single me out rather, but it's highly amusing. I hope you eventually realize that my logic will never make sense to you and vice versa.

Well in all fairness, I agree with 70% of what you say. I like discussing things with you because you make valid arguments, and you present interesting articles to back up your beliefs. We're not going to agree on everything, but you're willing to discuss it. If you want me to stop, by all means I will.

but you're in here the most, thus, easy to have a conversation with.

[Lueda Alia]

With all due respect Eda, I don't think you're making too much sense either.
Would you say the same thing to people who actually live in these red states but hate it, then? Would you tell them that they're close minded because they don't like being surrounded by people who find their views inappropriate or illogical? I imagine living in such a society becomes too much after a while.

I can understand your first point. Social issues you believe in are being changed, you're right, I would not want to live in that society either. But I'm not sure how you can call me out and say "I have a tough time accepting others opinions," when you're basically saying you would have a tough time, living in state with a dominant opposite opinion, thus showing you can't really accept the presence of an opposite opinion.
I would not have a tough time accepting a different opinion. I would have a tough time living with people who have completely different opinions 24/7. There is a big difference here that you keep ignoring.

I only meant that you have a hard time accepting my opinion(s).

Calling out Kentucky for being too Conservative, is like saying Ontario is too liberal. Sure, its dominant, but its not the only view. 98 % of the people I hang around with are Liberal, and I mean Liberal. Doesn't mean I stop hanging out with them. We share some views, oppose in others.
Choosing to hang out with people is different than being completely surrounded by only such people.

Too many people look at political ideology as black and white. You're either Red or you're Blue, Liberal or Conservative. I don't really buy into it.
I don't, either. I have only started calling myself a "Liberal" lately because it's the only way I can make people understand where I stand politically without getting into details.

Anyway that's a different topic altogether, I think.

[Lueda Alia]

Well in all fairness, I agree with 70% of what you say. I like discussing things with you because you make valid arguments, and you present interesting articles to back up your beliefs. We're not going to agree on everything, but you're willing to discuss it. If you want me to stop, by all means I will.

but you're in here the most, thus, easy to have a conversation with.
Haha I don't think I have seen you agree with me on anything, actually. I'm curious to know what you actually agree with. I have to admit though, I'm wondering if you sometimes argue with me for the sake of arguing, which is not necessarily a bad thing.

Anyway, I don't mind. I just find it amusing that you always seem to come after me. I'd rather debate with you than some other people who hold different views (i.e. captainhampton) anyway.

I guess I am in this forum a lot. I wish more people would participate in our discussions.

[1Roth4]

Would you say the same thing to people who actually live in these red states but hate it, then? Would you tell them that they're close minded because they don't like being surrounded by people who find their views inappropriate or illogical? I imagine living in such a society becomes too much after a while.


I would not have a tough time accepting a different opinion. I would have a tough time living with people who have completely different opinions 24/7. There is a big difference here that you keep ignoring.

I only meant that you have a hard time accepting my opinion(s).


Choosing to hang out with people is different than being completely surrounded by only such people.


I don't, either. I have only started calling myself a "Liberal" lately because it's the only way I can make people understand where I stand politically without getting into details.

Anyway that's a different topic altogether, I think.

Ok. Lets get ONE thing straight. I really don't have a tough time accepting your opinions. Do I have opposing ones, sure. But that doesn't make my opinions more legitimate or correct than yours. They're opinions.

I see what you're saying about living in that, i can agree to that.

And, I would view myself as a social liberal, fiscal conservative. And foreign policy I would side with more conservative ideals. haha, that should be obvious.

[1Roth4]

Haha I don't think I have seen you agree with me on anything, actually. I'm curious to know what you actually agree with. I have to admit though, I'm wondering if you sometimes argue with me for the sake of arguing, which is not necessarily a bad thing.

Anyway, I don't mind. I just find it amusing that you always seem to come after me. I'd rather debate with you than some other people who hold different views (i.e. captainhampton) anyway.

I guess I am in this forum a lot. I wish more people would participate in our discussions.

It wouldn't be Ap.net Politics forum without an AP staffer ripping on me. Tate passed the torch to you. Run with it.

[Lueda Alia]

Ok. Lets get ONE thing straight. I really don't have a tough time accepting your opinions. Do I have opposing ones, sure. But that doesn't make my opinions more legitimate or correct than yours. They're opinions.

I see what you're saying about living in that, i can agree to that.

And, I would view myself as a social liberal, fiscal conservative. And foreign policy I would side with more conservative ideals. haha, that should be obvious.
Yeah, that's fine. I also have friends who don't share my views, but it doesn't really matter. They're free to have those opinions, like I am with mine. But I can imagine I would have a hard time dealing with a society where the majority of people feel the same way as some of my friends do. I would feel trapped, hence why I would never choose to live in a place like Kentucky. I have nothing against the state or the people living there. I just wouldn't want to be a part of that society. Just like I would not want to be living in Alberta. :-d

[1Roth4]

Yeah, that's fine. I also have friends who don't share my views, but it doesn't really matter. They're free to have those opinions, like I am with mine. But I can imagine I would have a hard time dealing with a society where the majority of people feel the same way as some of my friends do. I would feel trapped, hence why I would never choose to live in a place like Kentucky. I have nothing against the state or the people living there. I just wouldn't want to be a part of that society. Just like I would not want to be living in Alberta. :-d

Why, its the home of Harpie? Everyone from Alberta and Texas piss excellence.

[Lueda Alia]

It wouldn't be Ap.net Politics forum without an AP staffer ripping on me. Tate passed the torch to you. Run with it.
Haha do I really, though? I know I come off as more aggressive in this forum - many people on AP that have known me for years would be surprised if they were to read some of my posts. I blame certain people I've had to deal with in this forum. That and the fact that I've let my emotions play a big part when it comes to certain issues. Like the Israel vs Palestine ordeal - I used to be indifferent towards it but that's not the case any longer. I can hear about people dying only so much before I start to feel something, if you know what I mean.

Anyway, I don't mean to be rude so I apologize if I sometimes come off that way. I try my best not to resort to personal attacks, always.

[Roboman]

Why is it such a big deal to mention every 45 seconds that Obama is a black man?

I get the history of racism, slavery, etc in the United States and how it (racism, not slavery) still exists very much throughout the country. But what does pointing out a man's skin colour do besides centre him out, and really just put emphasis on the fact that we still see race as an issue or something of concern? It makes no sense to me. I'm watching CNN right now and Wolf Blitzer feels the need to point out who is black and who isn't when he talks.

For the record, I do realize how big a deal it is for this man to be the President today, I'm not an asshole or ignorant like that. Just something that bothers me, I guess.

I agree with you. I know it's a big deal that a black man was elected president of the USA, but christ I wish we could just look past that fact, and that skin color wasn't still a big issue. I believe that race/skin color should have absolutely no effect on anything, whether it be college admissions, whether your parents like your boyfriend/girlfriend or not, or who the president is.

Sadly, I know this belief is still a bit foolish in our times.

[Lueda Alia]

Why, its the home of Harpie? Everyone from Alberta and Texas piss excellence.
You already know. I'm sure I'd get rich there, but I would feel scared to live in a place where people like me are probably not even considered real Canadians. Sigh...

[1Roth4]

Haha do I really, though? I know I come off as more aggressive in this forum - many people on AP that have known me for years would be surprised if they were to read some of my posts. I blame certain people I've had to deal with in this forum. That and the fact that I've let my emotions play a big part when it comes to certain issues. Like the Israel vs Palestine ordeal - I used to be indifferent towards it but that's not the case any longer. I can hear about people dying only so much before I start to feel something, if you know what I mean.

Anyway, I don't mean to be rude so I apologize if I sometimes come off that way. I try my best not to resort to personal attacks, always.

no apology necessary.

[Lueda Alia]

Where in Canada are you, anyway? For some reason I keep thinking that you're in BC - maybe you've said so in the past?

[1Roth4]

Where in Canada are you, anyway? For some reason I keep thinking that you're in BC - maybe you've said so in the past?

St. Catharines. Originally from Tillsonburg.

[Lueda Alia]

St. Catharines. Originally from Tillsonburg.
Haha wow, really? You're actually that close to me?

[1Roth4]

Haha wow, really? You're actually that close to me?

Ya. my home town is like 30 minutes from London.

[Lueda Alia]

Ya. my home town is like 30 minutes from London.
Haha nice. You should stop here sometime.

[1Roth4]

Haha nice. You should stop here sometime.

I'll shoot you a PM if i'm ever in the neighborhood.

[Lueda Alia]

I'll shoot you a PM if i'm ever in the neighborhood.
Do you actually know anyone here?

[J.C.]

nope and I haven't made any comments saying I felt bad that someone was from there. you ever been to Kentucky or are you just basing your Kentucky bashing off stereotypes you have heard?

You have to admit, they do make for an awesome stereotype.

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[Lueda Alia]

Haha oh God.

[Circa1628]

I live in Kentucky...
that explains a lot

[1Roth4]

Do you actually know anyone here?

all of my friends have graduated, but yes, I know some people that live in London.