Oh, Sleeper Call Out Inauguration Irony

[Anton Djamoos]

Oh, Sleeper (http://www.myspace.com/ohsleeper) are not happy (http://img174.imageshack.us/img174/9862/ohsleeperpissedbm4.jpg) with the money spent on the inauguration festivities.
It's pretty ironic to me, considering the current economic state of our nation that we elect a president who's main campaign was "fixing the economy", and then we spend $170,000,000 (170 million dollars) on today's inauguration.

I'm so glad that CHANGE has finally come to save the day......wait......
Submitted by Dunn.Nope

[lightcollapse]

Putting money from private donors into the economy doesn't hurt it. Guess Oh, Sleeper are really as dumb as they sound.

[thiswokendream]

Yeah I do agree on that point. It would have been better to put some of that into the economy or charities.

Does anyone know how much normally goes into inauguration ceremonies?

[sowrongitsjack]

word

[SureAsRain]

paid for by corporations, not exactly by our government.
n00b33z need to do their research

[The Personist]

Ridiculous.

EDIT: As in, them not doing their research.

[Liciakasher]

metalcore bands are so political

[blueshirts15]

Dear Oh, Sleeper,

Grow up.

Sincerely,
Me

[onenateseven]

i agree with oh sleeper, it doesn't matter who paid for it.... dumb...

[seans seatbelt]

metal bible thumpers trying to be politically savvy. way to rain on everyone's parade. pretty sad that it hasn't even been one day and already the trend is to shit on Obama

[anamericangod]

Parking-garage/machine gun-core up da punx

[crit]

Oh, Stupid is a more appropriate moniker for this band.

[Quamasterflex]

Yeah I do agree on that point. It would have been better to put some of that into the economy or charities.

Does anyone know how much normally goes into inauguration ceremonies?
bush's was a record at 40 million.

[Ryzenfall]

http://www.simprograms.com/images/funny/facepalm.jpg

[llmp]

I'd like to put 170 million dollars "into the economy."

[Liciakasher]

I bet they all voted McCain.

[Josh Weinstein]

This band sounds just as ignorant as Forever the Sickest Kids. They're just bitter that their conservative ideas did not prevail on November 4th. Seriously, how much money out of their own pocket went towards the inauguration? Zero. This band should shut the fuck up and pursue eugenics.

[amberofcourse]

Does the fact that there were millions of people there affect the cost at all?

[guywithstik]

http://blogs.tnr.com/tnr/blogs/the_plank/archive/2009/01/20/party-on.aspx

I was wondering how long it would take for bands to wax apathetic about Obama in misguided attempts at irony.

[shwaz499]

um oh sleeper...the money is from private donors meaning that money from them (rich people) is being put INTO THE ECONOMY. This is a good thing.

[Floggingnation]

wait...so all of the companies being paid to do all of the prep work and running of these parties doesn't count as money being spent (AKA putting money into the hands of the workers)?

Oh, well. Let the guy get his lolz on. He's got a big job to do, let him have a bitchin' good time for one night at least.

[friskycurtain]

bush's was a record at 40 million.

no longer a record though....I'm just waiting for plushy toys that look like Obama and you squeeze his hand and he says things like "Hope" and "Change"

[taylerx0]

Dear Oh, Sleeper:

http://i41.tinypic.com/spar1x.jpg

Thank you for your time.

[SureAsRain]

This band sounds just as ignorant as Forever the Sickest Kids. They're just bitter that their conservative ideas did not prevail on November 4th. Seriously, how much money out of their own pocket went towards the inauguration? Zero. This band should shut the fuck up and pursue eugenics.

agreed

FTSK quite possibly displayed the worst ignorance during the election.
It was interesting when Dan Hunter called them out
lolz

[anamericangod]

Also, congratulations to the band for the largest amount of press they will ever receive. It's all downhill from here guys.

[c_rob2700]

J Cook side project?

[manican sex]

Vices Like Vipers (paid for by the government)?

[Liciakasher]

Also, congratulations to the band for the largest amount of press they will ever receive. It's all downhill from here guys.
win

[onetwentyseven]

Dear Oh, Sleeper:

http://i41.tinypic.com/spar1x.jpg

Thank you for your time.
i lol'd. sooo hard hahahahaha.

but seriously, where were these dudes before the election? encouraging people to vote and be an active citizen would have been more effective then bitching about something that they dont know anything about.

[rekcilanigav22]

This band is fucking retarded.

[InnerPatern]

it was paid for by people like microsoft and google and steven spielberg. It pays to have democratic friends haha

[spezialk]

Well lets see.. Most celebs who went paid anywhere from 25-50K that helped fuel today's festivities.. now, multiply that by God knows how many.. and we're close (okay, not TOO close, but we're getting there). Then, factor in private donations and companies lending some cash, and we have our 140 million.
So, a bill was just passed to put, what, 700 Billion into the economy and their crying over 140 million that has no factor on the given situation?
If you ask me, they're just dying for myspace hits today.

[mc123]

Theyre just pissed cause no one will spend money for them to put out another record.

[nickymetal]

paid for by corporations, not exactly by our government.
n00b33z need to do their research
This

[Keagan Ilvonen]

Desperate attempt at trying to sound intelligent. They should stick with what they are best at, that being playing with each other.

[songydarko]

Oh, shut the fuck up. Learn to make decent music, then you can talk.

[elbelgararo]

ohh sleeper is broke too

[nickymetal]

They sure look progressive for ignorant Christians...WAIT...

[xsinkshipsx]

damn lots oh, slippers (that is what I call them because I think it sounds funny) hate today

good music, obviously need to do some research

[SINstar Virus]

Who is Oh Sleeper, and why would anyone care what they think?

[*crying stars*]

Lolllllll.

bush's was a record at 40 million.

Which did not include security costs and other expenses that were tabulated in this estimate.

[Tomisthekiller]

Not to mention just as many people would have been upset if he had toned it down. In '77 when Carter was inaugurated he ran a toned down ceremony where he walked to the capital rather than drove since there was a gas shortage and he dressed down. The media torn him apart for not being "presidential."

[taylerx0]

We need JCook's opinion here to back them up.

[Josh Weinstein]

Seriously, fuck these dudes. They're just typical Republicans... money hungry without any concern for the poor. They're used to touring and recording by being funded by their Republican-rich parents. Makes me sick how level-headed musicians get shit on while the spoiled get ahead in life.

[Klatzke]

Everyone calling this band ignorant should realize that this was one member of it that posted the bulletin.

[katieissweet]

J Cook side project?
Hahaha.

These guys are dumb.

[jkaminallen]

As a liberal, one who would've voted for Obama, even if his politics were too moderate, I totally agree with Oh, Sleeper. This was a disgrace.

Though, you know what they say: 2 names, 1 party.

[dearmsleading]

Lolllllll.



Which did not include security costs and other expenses that were tabulated in this estimate.
yeah the security detail for Obama's inauguration was way more hardcore than the ones in the past- i can only imagine how many wackjobs they kept from getting into the ceremony. with a controversial president, all the crazies come out of the woodwork.

[Anton Djamoos]

Technically, the money was put back into the economy.

[kristanxmarie]

Ridiculous.

EDIT: As in, them not doing their research.
i agree.

and from now on, i will point out everytime we agree, due to you hating that. =]


edit: ps. i have heard of this band, but hadn't actually listened to them til now. i wish i hadn't.

[zubinmoosa]

http://www.simprograms.com/images/funny/facepalm.jpg
this can be summed up with:

:hitself:

[hockeyguitar99]

http://i73.photobucket.com/albums/i236/xArrow/Motivation/research.jpg

[red8ge]

sent them a message.

[songydarko]

As a liberal, one who would've voted for Obama, even if his politics were too moderate, I totally agree with Oh, Sleeper. This was a disgrace.

Though, you know what they say: 2 names, 1 party.
I officially hate you more than humanly possible.

[hockeyguitar99]

Technically, the money was put back into the economy.
Shouldn't that be an obvious point though?

[newfoundmichael]

I know where they are coming from. Obama was elected a couple months ago, so the celebration today was great and everything, but a little unnecessary in my opinion. Now I know this is a HUGE deal for our country and a step forward, but spending this much money when we are at an all time low is like eating a big ass meal the night before you go on a diet.

[brutalsaurus]

and that 170 million was spent on stuff.

no matter what it was spent on now its circulating in the economy rather then in some rich guys pocket.

oh sleeping should shut up.

[TangledUp]

I tend to agree. Seems a bit atrocious when you think of how the money could have been spent. Oh well.

[red8ge]

Who is Oh Sleeper, and why would anyone care what they think?

They're like the poor man's/diet Underoath.

[Nick Le]

I still love them and the music...

[kissbangkill]

As a liberal, one who would've voted for Obama, even if his politics were too moderate, I totally agree with Oh, Sleeper. This was a disgrace.

Though, you know what they say: 2 names, 1 party.
read the rest of the thread and post less.

[shes.a.ghost]

Never a good idea for bands to be political. Oh wait, unless you are supporting Obama. That's really easy to do these days. They should have just kept thier mouths shut or at least understood where the money was coming from. But to instantly hate the band because they question Obama's cure for the economy is really typical for some Obama supporters. I voted for the guy and am completely estatic he is president, but there are some things about his presidency that I'm not looking forward to and none of them have to with him.

[hockeyguitar99]

I tend to agree. Seems a bit atrocious when you think of how the money could have been spent. Oh well.
Except now the money is circulating in our economy as opposed to sitting in rich peoples pockets.

[beanmaru]

As a liberal, one who would've voted for Obama, even if his politics were too moderate, I totally agree with Oh, Sleeper. This was a disgrace.

Though, you know what they say: 2 names, 1 party.
"would've voted"?

If you didn't take the time to vote then you can't complain.

[Broclee]

I know where they are coming from. Obama was elected a couple months ago, so the celebration today was great and everything, but a little unnecessary in my opinion. Now I know this is a HUGE deal for our country and a step forward, but spending this much money when we are at an all time low is like eating a big ass meal the night before you go on a diet.

As a liberal, one who would've voted for Obama, even if his politics were too moderate, I totally agree with Oh, Sleeper. This was a disgrace.

Though, you know what they say: 2 names, 1 party.

Really, do the research, find out who funded this, and find out where the money went.
It's not like Obama suddenly taxed every single American in order to fund this party, and it's not like the money just disappeared.

Everyone calling this band ignorant should realize that this was one member of it that posted the bulletin.

When one band member does something like this on the band's page, it speaks for the whole band and creates an image.
See: Houston Calls.

[IamTheINDUSTRY]

love how "accepting" we are of a black president and how "accepting" we are of homosexuals, but in EVERY single thread where a band is christian it is brought up negatively....how about we practice what we preach in ALL situations. if we aren't allowed to have homophobia, or racism - how about we don't discriminate based on religion either (regardless of how wrong this band is).

[Josh Weinstein]

I know where they are coming from. Obama was elected a couple months ago, so the celebration today was great and everything, but a little unnecessary in my opinion. Now I know this is a HUGE deal for our country and a step forward, but spending this much money when we are at an all time low is like eating a big ass meal the night before you go on a diet.
Franklin D. Roosevelt spent mad cash back in 1933 (at the height of the Depression). Basically, hookers and blow was prevalent.

[The Personist]

love how "accepting" we are of a black president and how "accepting" we are of homosexuals, but in EVERY single thread where a band is christian it is brought up negatively....how about we practice what we preach in ALL situations. if we aren't aloud to have homophobia, or racism - how about we don't discriminate based on religion either.
Discriminating against idiots is totally okay. I have nothing against christians; just the dumb ones.

[anthonydarko]

http://www.simprograms.com/images/funny/facepalm.jpg
This photo here best sums up how I felt when I read that

[newfoundmichael]

Really, do the research, find out who funded this, and find out where the money went.
It's not like Obama suddenly taxed every single American in order to fund this party, and it's not like the money just disappeared.



When one band member does something like this on the band's page, it speaks for the whole band and creates an image.
See: Houston Calls.
It doesn't matter who funded it in my mind. The fact that Americans raised money to throw a giant party is stupid. Someone could have spoken up and talked about how stupid this was and that the money could be used for something even more important.

[caitlinhelene]

Yes, because it would be better to have the ceremony be unsafe and unfriendly to the 2million people who came from not just across the country but from other countries as well. I'm sure that when hundreds of thousands of people were turned away and/or injured, it would make a lot more sense considering this was supposed to be a candidate for the people. That money was mostly spent on extra security measures and jumbotrons, so that all of the onlookers could be a part of history and not fear for their safety. Sometimes people don't think before they speak.

[Petzl]

Lollllllllll, food for the internet hate machine.

[oncedarkness]

love how "accepting" we are of a black president and how "accepting" we are of homosexuals, but in EVERY single thread where a band is christian it is brought up negatively....how about we practice what we preach in ALL situations. if we aren't aloud to have homophobia, or racism - how about we don't discriminate based on religion either (regardless of how wrong this band is).
I agree with this. I just don't think that the fact of some of them in the band being Christian makes Lucas's point less valid, no matter how relevant/irrelevant it is.

[Broclee]

It doesn't matter who funded it in my mind. The fact that Americans raised money to throw a giant party is stupid. Someone could have spoken up and talked about how stupid this was and that the money could be used for something even more amazing.
How does where the money comes from not matter?
Genuinely curious over here.

[FaceLixeMurder]

i like the band but this statement was absofuckinglutely the dumbest shit I've heard in awhile

[hockeyguitar99]

It doesn't matter who funded it in my mind. The fact that Americans raised money to throw a giant party is stupid. Someone could have spoken up and talked about how stupid this was and that the money could be used for something even more important.
Except they had to spend that money somewhere, and now it's circulating in our economy, which is good.

[Hamlet]

Yeah, grow up. Can't we have a party?

And also, how much of that money went into security? Taking care of 2 million people is serious business.

[kissbangkill]

It doesn't matter who funded it in my mind. The fact that Americans raised money to throw a giant party is stupid. Someone could have spoken up and talked about how stupid this was and that the money could be used for something even more important.
read the post directly below yours.

edit: and below this one.

[Jeremy Aaron]

It's a lot of money, sure, but in the grand scheme, not really. The cost of the stimulus package working its way through Congress could pay for such a celebration every day for the next twelve years. And that may or may not be enough to revitalize the economy. The real challenge in improving the economic picture is to restore employment levels, which luckily, there are plans for. This celebration is fitting and appropriate and, in terms of "harming the economy," innocuous.

[bteamclint]

you all know if george bush had done the same all the hippies would be complaining. 170 mill is a little ridiculous, who cares if they did research or not. Do you think fat wreck chords will start selling the 'not my president' shirts with obamas face on them soon?

Every one likes to complain about someone they don't agree with, and then when someone they like gets complained about, they take offense to it.. Deal with it.

[TheBestBet]

Lol. Stooop it.

[newfoundmichael]

How does where the money comes from not matter?
Genuinely curious over here.
It matters who funded it, I worded that wrong. I just look at our economy at an all time low. Then I look at a parade and party for our president who was elected a few months ago. I know he just now took office, but I feel like a simple speech and the crowd going wild is most definitely enough. What I meant by it doesn't matter is that in my opinion, whether it was done by fund raisers, or Wal-Mart donated a ton of money or whatever -- that much money for this event just makes me scratch my head.

[get up kidd]

Also, congratulations to the band for the largest amount of press they will ever receive. It's all downhill from here guys.
owned.


lol

(first time i have ever heard of them...)

[newfoundmichael]

you all know if george bush had done the same all the hippies would be complaining. 170 mill is a little ridiculous, who cares if they did research or not. Do you think fat wreck chords will start selling the 'not my president' shirts with obamas face on them soon?

Every one likes to complain about someone they don't agree with, and then when someone they like gets complained about, they take offense to it.. Deal with it.
good way to put it.

[IamTheINDUSTRY]

Discriminating against idiots is totally okay. I have nothing against christians; just the dumb ones.
how about just leave the "christian" completely out of it - then youre not discriminating. that was my point. :ok:

[jamesbrownsgoin]

on the news they said that a little less than $50 million dollars came from donations. The other $120 was government money - aka your tax dollars hard at work.

I just hope that our tax dollars paid more for the security issue and the private donations were for anything lavish or over the top...

[gibsonman246]

Never a good idea for bands to be political. Oh wait, unless you are supporting Obama. That's really easy to do these days. They should have just kept thier mouths shut or at least understood where the money was coming from. But to instantly hate the band because they question Obama's cure for the economy is really typical for some Obama supporters. I voted for the guy and am completely estatic he is president, but there are some things about his presidency that I'm not looking forward to and none of them have to with him.

i completely agree with this and the band.

on another note, as a christian, i am offended by all the hate christian bands get for simply writing about their views and beliefs. if some metalcore band with a black lyricist wrote about obama, everyone would be giving him "mad props" for sticking up for his beliefs.

obama isnt mlk and will never do anything with a magnitude even close to that of mlk's actions. stop acting like this is the second coming of christ

[songydarko]

It's funny how upset people are getting over this so called "unnecessary event", when really everyone should be embracing how beautiful it was. Of course it was a costly ordeal, what did you expect? We were making history, you can't just hold a big event like this in a damn cardboard box. Stop the fucking whining and look into where the money came from and realize it doesn't effect the economy in the ways you're assuming.

[Klatzke]

Really, do the research, find out who funded this, and find out where the money went.
It's not like Obama suddenly taxed every single American in order to fund this party, and it's not like the money just disappeared.



When one band member does something like this on the band's page, it speaks for the whole band and creates an image.
See: Houston Calls.
Doesn't mean everyone has to slander the entire band.

[timbedinosaur]

i agree with oh sleeper, it doesn't matter who paid for it.... dumb...
You sir, are an idiot. The money is put back into the economy helping to stimulate it.

[Broclee]

It matters who funded it, I worded that wrong. I just look at our economy at an all time low. Then I look at a parade and party for our president who was elected a few months ago. I know he just now took office, but I feel like a simple speech and the crowd going wild is most definitely enough. What I meant by it doesn't matter is that in my opinion, whether it was done by fund raisers, or Wal-Mart donated a ton of money or whatever -- that much money for this event just makes me scratch my head.
There's always been those things, though.

Granted, Obama's was on a larger scale, but look at how many people were there. Security and such is factored into that amount.

[SkateFirm21]

some people on here dont seem any better or mature using name calling and "stupid."

either way, Oh, sleeper wins because they manage to get a bunch of people mad over a statement on myspace.

[carnotaurhunter]

Oh, Sleeper should cry about it.

[Broclee]

Doesn't mean everyone has to slander the entire band.
It happens, though.
Comes with the territory of being in a band, and with having a MySpace account and blog that represents the entire band.

Also, I don't really think people are "slandering" on the band...criticizing and calling-out, maybe, but I haven't seen any slandering. Maybe I just missed it.

[TheBestBet]

Yeah I do agree on that point. It would have been better to put some of that into the economy or charities.

Does anyone know how much normally goes into inauguration ceremonies?
How exactly is this not putting money back into the economy?

[hockeyguitar99]

on the news they said that a little less than $50 million dollars came from donations. The other $120 was government money - aka your tax dollars hard at work.

I just hope that our tax dollars paid more for the security issue and the private donations were for anything lavish or over the top...
It makes absolutely no difference. Both sets of money ended up back into our economy in some way or another. So your tax dollars are now helping the economy up, slowly, but helping.

[Digitalcursive]

People keep bringing up the bail out money which is kinda funny seeing how we don't know what the hell most of it was used for and the other half is just sittin' around doing nothing. Shoosh!

[taylerx0]

some people on here dont seem any better or mature using name calling and "stupid."

either way, Oh, sleeper wins because they manage to get a bunch of people mad over a statement on myspace.
A) Your first sentence makes no sense.
B) No.

[mem3590]

This

[samsara]

If it was McCain that was elected(God I hope that would never happen in any universe) and spent that much money people here would be in a frenzy. Im just saying.

[Quamasterflex]

Never a good idea for bands to be political. Oh wait, unless you are supporting Obama. That's really easy to do these days. They should have just kept thier mouths shut or at least understood where the money was coming from. But to instantly hate the band because they question Obama's cure for the economy is really typical for some Obama supporters. I voted for the guy and am completely estatic he is president, but there are some things about his presidency that I'm not looking forward to and none of them have to with him.
well said. the best post i've read yet

[newfoundmichael]

There's always been those things, though.

Granted, Obama's was on a larger scale, but look at how many people were there. Security and such is factored into that amount.
That is a good point too.

I'm really not on either side here. My original post and point was that I can see why this would upset some people.

[gibsonman246]

How exactly is this not putting money back into the economy?

because the problem with our economy is people these days spend money they dont have. we are not at liberty to spend money in order to support our american economy. the majority of money spent supports asia. we are steadily losing money. the rich arent getting richer, everyone is losing money. we as a country have to save money, not spend it on bullshit jobs for an excessive party.

[SoHardToFathom]

Seriously, fuck these dudes. They're just typical Republicans... money hungry without any concern for the poor. They're used to touring and recording by being funded by their Republican-rich parents. Makes me sick how level-headed musicians get shit on while the spoiled get ahead in life.

And I could say "Said like an idiotic Democrat."
Not concerned with the poor? What does that have to do with anything? Lucas was saying how stupid it is to pay $170 million for a party, and you somehow drew his feelings toward the poor from that?
Fairly certain that none of the members of Oh, Sleeper are living lives of the rich and famous.
And if they were money hungry, I'm pretty sure they would (1) stop talking about Christ from the stage because Jesus doesn't sell or (2) not be in a band.

In short, your response makes zero sense.


Everyone calling this band ignorant should realize that this was one member of it that posted the bulletin.

Agreed.


love how "accepting" we are of a black president and how "accepting" we are of homosexuals, but in EVERY single thread where a band is christian it is brought up negatively....how about we practice what we preach in ALL situations. if we aren't allowed to have homophobia, or racism - how about we don't discriminate based on religion either (regardless of how wrong this band is).

Agreed.

[exploration #4]

Doesn't mean everyone has to slander the entire band.

Agree. Unless the whole band feels the same way, this guy should've kept it to himself and posted it on his own myspace, it's simply going to lose them fans by posting it for their tens of thousands of myspace friends to see.

But I do enjoy this band, I saw them live last year with August Burns Red (or was it 07....) and they tore it up. So just because one of them posted some ignorant, unresearched rant on the band's myspace doesn't mean everyone has to tear them up for being Christian.

[Quamasterflex]

i completely agree with this and the band.

on another note, as a christian, i am offended by all the hate christian bands get for simply writing about their views and beliefs. if some metalcore band with a black lyricist wrote about obama, everyone would be giving him "mad props" for sticking up for his beliefs.

obama isnt mlk and will never do anything with a magnitude even close to that of mlk's actions. stop acting like this is the second coming of christ
another post that obama lovers will say

"your just mad cause you lost"

[ericsounds41]

Exactly what I was thinking.. I beginning to wonder if anyone was going to point that out.

[YeahRiight]

Theyre just pissed cause no one will spend money for them to put out another record.
This.

[Jeremy Aaron]

because the problem with our economy is people these days spend money they dont have. we are not at liberty to spend money in order to support our american economy. the majority of money spent supports asia. we are steadily losing money. the rich arent getting richer, everyone is losing money. we as a country have to save money, not spend it on bullshit jobs for an excessive party.
A wise man once told me that it's better to remain silent and be thought a fool, than to open one's mouth and remove all doubt. Apparently no one told you, so I'm doing it now.

[Exit30six]

Technically, the money was put back into the economy.
Not "technically," it was put back into the economy, actually.
The money spent on the inaugural celebrations are supporting domestic jobs. All those parties ("balls") going on in DC are pumping money into the city through tourism, employing locals, purchasing goods & labor IN OUR COUNTRY.

Oh, Sleeper's argument sounds like it came straight out of the "No Spin Zone."

[kissbangkill]

i completely agree with this and the band.

on another note, as a christian, i am offended by all the hate christian bands get for simply writing about their views and beliefs. if some metalcore band with a black lyricist wrote about obama, everyone would be giving him "mad props" for sticking up for his beliefs.

obama isnt mlk and will never do anything with a magnitude even close to that of mlk's actions. stop acting like this is the second coming of christ
being the first african american elected president doesn't revolutionize the civil rights movement to you?

[The Personist]

how about just leave the "christian" completely out of it - then youre not discriminating. that was my point. :ok:
I never mentioned the christianity aspect of it.

[manican sex]

They're like the poor man's/diet Underoath.

I dont agree with these gusy statements but Underoath is terrible compared to Oh Sleeper.

[The Personist]

I dont agree with these gusy statements but Underoath is terrible compared to Oh Sleeper.
That is absolutely wrong.

[Carom Jones]

honestly you guys are freaking ridiculous. a lot of you are probably 13 and know absolutely nothing about politics. people who don't like obama AREN'T stupid. they DON'T agree with his policies (why don't you show some tolerance liberals or is having a different opinion automatically wrong?) and don't buy into the empty words of an unqualified man with zero experience who has a good speech writer. do you seriously believe everything the media tells you? They single-handedly elected obama and worship him like god. Wait when he let's you down.

FACT- Obama WON'T solve all your problems
FACT- Bush is NOT as stupid as you idiots think he is. Do YOUR research. The economy was good under Clinton who had a CONSERVATIVE Congress. The economy only really began to tank when the LIBERALS took over congress in 2006.

If the economy is "fixed" he will only be fixing the problems that people like him caused (giving houses to people who can't afford them anyone?). Also, just so you "kids" know, the economy goes in cycles.

Oh Sleeper is an extremely talented band who have acccomplished far more than most of you ever will. They make incredible music with intelligent lyrics. Not only that, but they stand up for what they believe in and aren't affected by ignorant, unintelligible people like you. They know that your opinion doesn't matter. I don't think it does either, but I had to stand up for those guys.

[CT-Tim]

This thread = proof there is no objectivity when it comes to politics.

Saying the 170mil was put "into the economy" is technically true. However, democrats are always complaining that trickle-down economics don't work. Very little of that money was put into "the economy" in a way that will affect the American population. Security firms and tech rental?

The benefit of the big inaugural bash was a big boost to local business... but it was for one day. Putting that 170 mil toward health care or small business development would be much more beneficial to the "American people".

Whether this cash came from private citizens/corporations or not, it went to support the man, not the cause. Is the man greater than the cause? Shouldn't the cause come first?

[im_wide_awake]

I bet they all voted McCain.
funny...

[anthonydarko]

i completely agree with this and the band.

on another note, as a christian, i am offended by all the hate christian bands get for simply writing about their views and beliefs. if some metalcore band with a black lyricist wrote about obama, everyone would be giving him "mad props" for sticking up for his beliefs.

obama isnt mlk and will never do anything with a magnitude even close to that of mlk's actions. stop acting like this is the second coming of christ
I don't think you understand what Obama means to people. Yes he's not Christ and no, he's not MLK. But he is someone that gives me and millions of other people hope. Plus you say he hasn't done anything on the magnitude of MLK, Obama being elected president is something of a huge magnitude. He is the first African-American to be elected president, something that for a long time didn't even seem like a posibilty. Him being elected proved that our society is moving forward and to show that racism, while it still looms in our culture, is getting weaker and prejudice is being put aside in favor of supporting a man for his ideas. To be honest, what he's has acomplished is of the same magnitude of what MLK has acomplished, if not a little more.

As for the Christian bands, I don't mind them having ideas. However, I don't like it when a band will kick a member out of the group because they don't believe in the same ideas as Haste The Day and Mychildern Mybride did in the past year. To me, it's kinda hard to think of those guys as being Christian while there shunning people for not believing for what they believe in, which as I remember is exactly the opposite of what Christ would of done and that's my two cents on that.

[pgizzle312]

Grow up, It's not like it was the governments money.

[The Personist]

honestly you guys are freaking ridiculous. a lot of you are probably 13 and know absolutely nothing about politics. people who don't like obama AREN'T stupid. they DON'T agree with his policies (why don't you show some tolerance liberals or is having a different opinion automatically wrong?) and don't buy into the empty words of an unqualified man with zero experience who has a good speech writer. do you seriously believe everything the media tells you? They single-handedly elected obama and worship him like god. Wait when he let's you down.

FACT- Obama WON'T solve all your problems
FACT- Bush is NOT as stupid as you idiots think he is. Do YOUR research. The economy was good under Clinton who had a CONSERVATIVE Congress. The economy only really began to tank when the LIBERALS took over congress in 2006.

If the economy is "fixed" he will only be fixing the problems that people like him caused (giving houses to people who can't afford them anyone?). Also, just so you "kids" know, the economy goes in cycles.

Oh Sleeper is an extremely talented band who have acccomplished far more than most of you ever will. They make incredible music with intelligent lyrics. Not only that, but they stand up for what they believe in and aren't affected by ignorant, unintelligible people like you. They know that your opinion doesn't matter. I don't think it does either, but I had to stand up for those guys.
This statement is so full of wrong.

[Keagan Ilvonen]

I dont agree with these gusy statements but Oh Sleeper is terrible compared to Underoath. It amazes me that anyone would even make that connection.

Fixed.

[manican sex]

That is absolutely wrong.

Oh Sleeper has guitarist from between the buried and me...

enough said.

[Sikbeat37]

It doesn't matter who funded it in my mind. The fact that Americans raised money to throw a giant party is stupid. Someone could have spoken up and talked about how stupid this was and that the money could be used for something even more important.
You're right, people spending their money that they earned in the manner of their choice is stupid. Capitalism is stupid. I absolutely had a right to that $170M of other people's money.

[gibsonman246]

being the first african american elected president doesn't revolutionize the civil rights movement to you?

no because ethnicity shouldnt matter in the presidential election. it is no longer rare for african-americans to hold positions of authority. the fact that an african american is taking office should not be viewed as abnormal. making it a big deal actually hurts the civil rights movement because it implies that african americans are the underdogs

[Danimals]

they do have a point he spent 5x more then any president before has ever spent, its an uneccesary waste of money too, he should have just kept it simple.

[manican sex]

Fixed.

nicce dudde.

[The Personist]

Oh Sleeper has guitarist from between the buried and me...

enough said.
BTBAM is better than Oh, Sleeper will ever be. Ever.

Still doesn't matter; Underoath writes tight, engaging, thoughtful songs. Oh, Sleeper writes crap.

[Yellow]

honestly you guys are freaking ridiculous. a lot of you are probably 13 and know absolutely nothing about politics. people who don't like obama AREN'T stupid. they DON'T agree with his policies (why don't you show some tolerance liberals or is having a different opinion automatically wrong?) and don't buy into the empty words of an unqualified man with zero experience who has a good speech writer. do you seriously believe everything the media tells you? They single-handedly elected obama and worship him like god. Wait when he let's you down.

FACT- Obama WON'T solve all your problems
FACT- Bush is NOT as stupid as you idiots think he is. Do YOUR research. The economy was good under Clinton who had a CONSERVATIVE Congress. The economy only really began to tank when the LIBERALS took over congress in 2006.

If the economy is "fixed" he will only be fixing the problems that people like him caused (giving houses to people who can't afford them anyone?). Also, just so you "kids" know, the economy goes in cycles.

Oh Sleeper is an extremely talented band who have acccomplished far more than most of you ever will. They make incredible music with intelligent lyrics. Not only that, but they stand up for what they believe in and aren't affected by ignorant, unintelligible people like you. They know that your opinion doesn't matter. I don't think it does either, but I had to stand up for those guys.
:shhh:

[nomoremondays]

isnt politics fun?

oh the sarcasm

[TranslateTheNam]

I love all the liberal praise for trickle down economics.....your right, all the money wasted today will find its way into the economy. If Bush can get blasted for 40 mil spent on his inauguration, cant we ask questions on 170?? Get off the kool aid. He aint the messiah. It helps to open your minds to all sides of the political spectrum. I just dont know what the left is gonna do without being able to bash Bush.

[showyourteeth]

bulletin posted by lucas from oh, sleeper


" I just wanted to clarify that today's bulletin was not the opinion of Oh, Sleeper. It was my personal view and opinion and I shouldn't have posted my personal thoughts on the band's myspace. Very unprofessional on my part. And I apologize if anyone took offense to what I said. It has nothing to do with Oh, Sleeper....nor the music we make. I support our president and didn't mean to talk negatively about EITHER political party. I hope you guys all have a good night.


Lucas Starr"

[gibsonman246]

I don't think you understand what Obama means to people. Yes he's not Christ and no, he's not MLK. But he is someone that gives me and millions of other people hope. Plus you say he hasn't done anything on the magnitude of MLK, Obama being elected president is something of a huge magnitude. He is the first African-American to be elected president, something that for a long time didn't even seem like a posibilty. Him being elected proved that our society is moving forward and to show that racism, while it still looms in our culture, is getting weaker and prejudice is being put aside in favor of supporting a man for his ideas. To be honest, what he's has acomplished is of the same magnitude of what MLK has acomplished, if not a little more.

As for the Christian bands, I don't mind them having ideas. However, I don't like it when a band will kick a member out of the group because they don't believe in the same ideas as Haste The Day and Mychildern Mybride did in the past year. To me, it's kinda hard to think of those guys as being Christian while there shunning people for not believing for what they believe in, which as I remember is exactly the opposite of what Christ would of done and that's my two cents on that.

good post. i used to be all for obama because i felt that he was major progression within our society, but i have come to the conclusion that i think he should be viewed as a president who happens to be black, not a black president

[billyboatkid]

There has been an Inauguration and stuff for every president to date. Why would they not have one for Obama.

But wait if it where McCain they wouldn't have said a damn thing...

Stupid.

[kissbangkill]

no because ethnicity shouldnt matter in the presidential election. it is no longer rare for african-americans to hold positions of authority. the fact that an african american is taking office should not be viewed as abnormal. making it a big deal actually hurts the civil rights movement because it implies that african americans are the underdogs
yeah, it doesn't imply that at all, but ok.

[SkateFirm21]

BTBAM is better than Oh, Sleeper will ever be. Ever.

Still doesn't matter; Underoath writes tight, engaging, thoughtful songs. Oh, Sleeper writes crap.
underoath had McCain stuff on their myspace...

...i bet you hate them now.

[taylerx0]

another post that obama lovers will say

"your just mad cause you lost"
Wrong.

[The Personist]

underoath had McCain stuff on their myspace...

...i bet you hate them now.
Nope, just disagree with their politics. They didn't say stupid shit like this.

[FstFtsVsFences]

More importantly, I'm loving the new politics icon.

[jakelare]

everyone except the hicks in the south are for obama. the guys the man, everyone with an IQ over 70 is behind him.

[givemegravity]

Every single one of the comments about how Oh, Sleeper and their opinion doesn't matter is completely contradictory. If their views aren't important, what makes yours?


And their musical talent is completely irrelevant to any political beliefs they might have. Half of this "Oh, Sleeper is garbage" has nothing to do with what they said.

[YeahRiight]

I just dont know what the left is gonna do without being able to bash Bush.

Start the slow rebuilding process of our damaged IQ's by having to listen to that men speak?

[contentloser]

its just funny to me that so many of you all bitched about palin's outfit that was bought by someone else that cost $100,000, but its perfectly ok for obama to have the most expensive inauguration in history (being 4 times more expensive than the second most expensive) during the biggest economic crisis of this generation, because the money came from somewhere else. you'll just defend him on anything even if it creates a double standard.

btw i voted for him and can still agree that its stupid.

[TranslateTheNam]

This statement is so full of wrong.
i love responses like this that state nothing....either contribute or shut up.

[jfspinner88]

I don't think you understand what Obama means to people. Yes he's not Christ and no, he's not MLK. But he is someone that gives me and millions of other people hope. Plus you say he hasn't done anything on the magnitude of MLK, Obama being elected president is something of a huge magnitude. He is the first African-American to be elected president, something that for a long time didn't even seem like a posibilty. Him being elected proved that our society is moving forward and to show that racism, while it still looms in our culture, is getting weaker and prejudice is being put aside in favor of supporting a man for his ideas. To be honest, what he's has acomplished is of the same magnitude of what MLK has acomplished, if not a little more.

As for the Christian bands, I don't mind them having ideas. However, I don't like it when a band will kick a member out of the group because they don't believe in the same ideas as Haste The Day and Mychildern Mybride did in the past year. To me, it's kinda hard to think of those guys as being Christian while there shunning people for not believing for what they believe in, which as I remember is exactly the opposite of what Christ would of done and that's my two cents on that.
i think the idea with Haste the Day and MYCHILDREN MYBRIDE is that their faith became more of an aspect of why they exist as a band. I think it would be equally awkward to be in a band that stands for something you don't believe. It's not hypocritical, it just doesn't make sense (I wouldn't be in the RNC if I had Democratic ideals).

[brutalsaurus]

honestly you guys are freaking ridiculous. a lot of you are probably 13 and know absolutely nothing about politics. people who don't like obama AREN'T stupid. they DON'T agree with his policies (why don't you show some tolerance liberals or is having a different opinion automatically wrong?) and don't buy into the empty words of an unqualified man with zero experience who has a good speech writer. do you seriously believe everything the media tells you? They single-handedly elected obama and worship him like god. Wait when he let's you down.

FACT- Obama WON'T solve all your problems
FACT- Bush is NOT as stupid as you idiots think he is. Do YOUR research. The economy was good under Clinton who had a CONSERVATIVE Congress. The economy only really began to tank when the LIBERALS took over congress in 2006.

If the economy is "fixed" he will only be fixing the problems that people like him caused (giving houses to people who can't afford them anyone?). Also, just so you "kids" know, the economy goes in cycles.

Oh Sleeper is an extremely talented band who have acccomplished far more than most of you ever will. They make incredible music with intelligent lyrics. Not only that, but they stand up for what they believe in and aren't affected by ignorant, unintelligible people like you. They know that your opinion doesn't matter. I don't think it does either, but I had to stand up for those guys.
1. nobody said they worship him like god

2. I know he wont, nobody can

3. yes he is

4. When did anyone say that he is selling homes or approving loans?

5. no. they suck

[friskycurtain]

But wait if it were McCain they wouldn't have said a damn thing...

Stupid.
and the Democrats would then be bitching about the cost

[SoHardToFathom]

Lucas just posted a new bulletin saying:

I just wante​d to clari​fy that today​'​s bulle​tin was not the opini​on of Oh, Sleep​er.​ It was my perso​nal view and opini​on and I shoul​dn'​t have poste​d my perso​nal thoug​hts on the band'​s myspa​ce.​ Very unpro​fessi​onal on my part.​ And I apolo​gize if anyon​e took offen​se to what I said.​ It has nothi​ng to do with Oh, Sleep​er.​.​.​.​nor the music​ we make.​ I suppo​rt our presi​dent and didn'​t mean to talk negat​ively​ about​ EITHE​R polit​ical party​.​ I hope you guys all have a good night​.​

Lucas​ Starr​

[DylanB]

doesn't spending the 170 million on catering and cops for extra security put it into the economy?

[showyourteeth]

rabble rabble rabble rabble

[Helpless]

Oh no, a popular band is talking about politics and they are obviously stupidier than me and know nothing.
Call the police.

[batmannj]

I officially hate you more than humanly possible.

because he was stating his opinion? seriously man, this band makes a statement, and everyone turns out in droves to say they are retarded, but someone states his opinion against yours and you hate him? memo, grow up please.

[friskycurtain]

everyone except the hicks in the south are for obama. the guys the man, everyone with an IQ over 70 is behind him.

Wow...you are ignorant.

[taylerx0]

everyone except the hicks in the south are for obama. the guys the man, everyone with an IQ over 70 is behind him.
:hitself:

[TranslateTheNam]

Start the slow rebuilding process of our damaged IQ's by having to listen to that men speak?
now should I be a dick and grammar check you...go to sleep, its late.

[newfoundmichael]

You're right, people spending their money that they earned in the manner of their choice is stupid. Capitalism is stupid. I absolutely had a right to that $170M of other people's money.
Yeah, it is a stupid way to spend your money. Your attempt at sarcasm was my point exactly. It isn't "wrong" that they spent the money, just stupid in my opinion. There are other things that desperately need fixed and everyone is just too fixated on Obama. I am aware of our right to spend our money however we please, but thanks for the swing.

What this comes down to is the people that either don't think that the money was used in a smart way and don't agree that this is extremely priority one important against the people who think that this is a monumental moment for America and that we should celebrate it by any means necessary. And a few in between.

[songydarko]

because he was stating his opinion? seriously man, this band makes a statement, and everyone turns out in droves to say they are retarded, but someone states his opinion against yours and you hate him? memo, grow up please.
He's my friend. Get over it and stay out of the conversation. Thanks.

[batmannj]

everyone except the hicks in the south are for obama. the guys the man, everyone with an IQ over 70 is behind him.

wow. i guess you did not look at the exit polls then. the reason why President Obama won the election was because he carried a vast majority of first time voters, and he had 96% of the African American vote.

[The Personist]

i love responses like this that state nothing....either contribute or shut up.
But your post was so much longer and contributed even less than mine.

[anthonydarko]

honestly you guys are freaking ridiculous. a lot of you are probably 13 and know absolutely nothing about politics. people who don't like obama AREN'T stupid. they DON'T agree with his policies (why don't you show some tolerance liberals or is having a different opinion automatically wrong?) and don't buy into the empty words of an unqualified man with zero experience who has a good speech writer. do you seriously believe everything the media tells you? They single-handedly elected obama and worship him like god. Wait when he let's you down.

FACT- Obama WON'T solve all your problems
FACT- Bush is NOT as stupid as you idiots think he is. Do YOUR research. The economy was good under Clinton who had a CONSERVATIVE Congress. The economy only really began to tank when the LIBERALS took over congress in 2006.

If the economy is "fixed" he will only be fixing the problems that people like him caused (giving houses to people who can't afford them anyone?). Also, just so you "kids" know, the economy goes in cycles.

Oh Sleeper is an extremely talented band who have acccomplished far more than most of you ever will. They make incredible music with intelligent lyrics. Not only that, but they stand up for what they believe in and aren't affected by ignorant, unintelligible people like you. They know that your opinion doesn't matter. I don't think it does either, but I had to stand up for those guys.
Fact: No president can EVER solve all of America's problems. No president ever has.
Fact: Bush still will go down as a bad president due to a wide number of other things he did other than the economy.
Fact: If you want to blame anyone for the housing crisis, you have to blame two groups of people: The banks and lending companies who gave the loans to the people who couldn't afford to pay them back and the people themselves who bought the houses they couldn't afford. You really can't blame it on Obama or the Democrats, it's not their fault two parties made mistakes on both sides that led the economy to be what it is.
Fact: Trickle-down economics doesn't work as great as you think it does. All it really achieves is giving tax breaks to people who don't really need them (the rich) and widens the gap between the rich and the middle and lower class.
Plus to be honest, Oh, Sleeper really haven't achieved that much.

[Jackpottt]

everyone except the hicks in the south are for obama. the guys the man, everyone with an IQ over 70 is behind him.
So you didnt vote for Obama? oooooooooooohhhhh

just kidding man

[batmannj]

honestly you guys are freaking ridiculous. a lot of you are probably 13 and know absolutely nothing about politics. people who don't like obama AREN'T stupid. they DON'T agree with his policies (why don't you show some tolerance liberals or is having a different opinion automatically wrong?) and don't buy into the empty words of an unqualified man with zero experience who has a good speech writer. do you seriously believe everything the media tells you? They single-handedly elected obama and worship him like god. Wait when he let's you down.

FACT- Obama WON'T solve all your problems
FACT- Bush is NOT as stupid as you idiots think he is. Do YOUR research. The economy was good under Clinton who had a CONSERVATIVE Congress. The economy only really began to tank when the LIBERALS took over congress in 2006.

If the economy is "fixed" he will only be fixing the problems that people like him caused (giving houses to people who can't afford them anyone?). Also, just so you "kids" know, the economy goes in cycles.

Oh Sleeper is an extremely talented band who have acccomplished far more than most of you ever will. They make incredible music with intelligent lyrics. Not only that, but they stand up for what they believe in and aren't affected by ignorant, unintelligible people like you. They know that your opinion doesn't matter. I don't think it does either, but I had to stand up for those guys.
while i dont agree with how you worded all of it, your opinions on the overall matter at hand i agree with.

i voted for Obama, just for the record
This thread = proof there is no objectivity when it comes to politics.

Saying the 170mil was put "into the economy" is technically true. However, democrats are always complaining that trickle-down economics don't work. Very little of that money was put into "the economy" in a way that will affect the American population. Security firms and tech rental?

The benefit of the big inaugural bash was a big boost to local business... but it was for one day. Putting that 170 mil toward health care or small business development would be much more beneficial to the "American people".

Whether this cash came from private citizens/corporations or not, it went to support the man, not the cause. Is the man greater than the cause? Shouldn't the cause come first?
very intelligent post. i agree with you strongly.

[jimboj917]

yea, i think their concern sounds a little less than educated.

[SoHardToFathom]

yea, i think their concern sounds a little less than educated.
Once again, there is no "their". It was just one member making a bulletin.

And he has since posted a new one:

I just wante​d to clari​fy that today​'​s bulle​tin was not the opini​on of Oh, Sleep​er.​ It was my perso​nal view and opini​on and I shoul​dn'​t have poste​d my perso​nal thoug​hts on the band'​s myspa​ce.​ Very unpro​fessi​onal on my part.​ And I apolo​gize if anyon​e took offen​se to what I said.​ It has nothi​ng to do with Oh, Sleep​er.​.​.​.​nor the music​ we make.​ I suppo​rt our presi​dent and didn'​t mean to talk negat​ively​ about​ EITHE​R polit​ical party​.​ I hope you guys all have a good night​.​

Lucas​ Starr​

[batmannj]

bulletin posted by lucas from oh, sleeper


" I just wanted to clarify that today's bulletin was not the opinion of Oh, Sleeper. It was my personal view and opinion and I shouldn't have posted my personal thoughts on the band's myspace. Very unprofessional on my part. And I apologize if anyone took offense to what I said. It has nothing to do with Oh, Sleeper....nor the music we make. I support our president and didn't mean to talk negatively about EITHER political party. I hope you guys all have a good night.


Lucas Starr"

thank you for posting this.

[golferpunk1]

love how "accepting" we are of a black president and how "accepting" we are of homosexuals, but in EVERY single thread where a band is christian it is brought up negatively....how about we practice what we preach in ALL situations. if we aren't allowed to have homophobia, or racism - how about we don't discriminate based on religion either (regardless of how wrong this band is).
Well said.

[Heart-A-Tact]

everyone except the hicks in the south are for obama. the guys the man, everyone with an IQ over 70 is behind him.

Mind blowing.

[batmannj]

There's always been those things, though.

Granted, Obama's was on a larger scale, but look at how many people were there. Security and such is factored into that amount.

they have to have a lot of security at every one of these events. granted there was probably more today than usual, but that in now way made this go up to $170 million.

[Big_Guy]

lol @ bible thumping idiots

[thefallofcorey]

well if you support obama, you don't care. if you don't support him you do care. personally? i could give a fuck.

[batmannj]

Every single one of the comments about how Oh, Sleeper and their opinion doesn't matter is completely contradictory. If their views aren't important, what makes yours?


And their musical talent is completely irrelevant to any political beliefs they might have. Half of this "Oh, Sleeper is garbage" has nothing to do with what they said.

agreed.

i wish more people would put this much thought into posts.

[live.]

Oh, Stupid.

[BON]

lol bitter texans.

do us all a favor and stop making shitty music please.

[TranslateTheNam]

But your post was so much longer and contributed even less than mine.
read the entire thread before posting...so far your useless, and congrats on your 2093rd post.

[thefallofcorey]

Originally Posted by jakelarehttp://images.absolutepunk.net/images/buttons/arrow.gif (http://www.absolutepunk.net/showthread.php?p=33157592#post33157 592)
everyone except the hicks in the south are for obama. the guys the man, everyone with an IQ over 70 is behind him.

stereotype much? you're a fucking idiot, and you've probably never even been to the south.

[SkateFirm21]

everyone except the hicks in the south are for obama. the guys the man, everyone with an IQ over 70 is behind him.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NyvqhdllXgU

an IQ over 70... hmmm....

[jakeonaplane]

they have to have a lot of security at every one of these events. granted there was probably more today than usual, but that in now way made this go up to $170 million.
the inauguration today had the most security detail of any event in the world, ever.

[batmannj]

1. nobody said they worship him like god

2. I know he wont, nobody can

3. yes he is

4. When did anyone say that he is selling homes or approving loans?

5. no. they suck

1) no one said they do, but have you seen the response from people in this country? i voted for Obama, i feel like he was the best person for the job at the time. some are celebrating this like some would celebrate the second coming of Jesus, this is not disputable.

2) true.

3) (sighs and shakes head) please take your blinders off and learn more about Bush than what you are spoon fed on the evening news. Yes he made mistakes, but he is not the sole reason everything is in shambles.

5) What does Oh, Sleeper's musical ability have any validity in this arguement? that would be like me saying you are ugly so therefore your opinion does not matter. seriously, get out of your ignorant mindset and post again later.

[GeeBee]

Every single one of the comments about how Oh, Sleeper and their opinion doesn't matter is completely contradictory. If their views aren't important, what makes yours?


And their musical talent is completely irrelevant to any political beliefs they might have. Half of this "Oh, Sleeper is garbage" has nothing to do with what they said.

The rightness of our leftness makes them important. That better?

[jfspinner88]

i definitely should be doing my lab, but I always troll forums hoping someone quotes my posts. Jason please review and/or interview showbread.

[batmannj]

the inauguration today had the most security detail of any event in the world, ever.

that does not add up to $170 million dollars. seriously, are you gonna argue that the main reason that the last inauguration that cost $40 mil went up $130 million based solely on security detail? please tell me you are not serious.

[anamericangod]

I live in the South, is it okay for me to stereotype everyone?

Yes? Good, I thought so.

[The Personist]

read the entire thread before posting...so far your useless, and congrats on your 2093rd post.
lol at me not reading the thread.

lol at you liking shitty music with shittier politics.

[Cliff Diver]

honestly you guys are freaking ridiculous. a lot of you are probably 13 and know absolutely nothing about politics. people who don't like obama AREN'T stupid. they DON'T agree with his policies (why don't you show some tolerance liberals or is having a different opinion automatically wrong?) and don't buy into the empty words of an unqualified man with zero experience who has a good speech writer. do you seriously believe everything the media tells you? They single-handedly elected obama and worship him like god. Wait when he let's you down.

FACT- Obama WON'T solve all your problems
FACT- Bush is NOT as stupid as you idiots think he is. Do YOUR research. The economy was good under Clinton who had a CONSERVATIVE Congress. The economy only really began to tank when the LIBERALS took over congress in 2006.

If the economy is "fixed" he will only be fixing the problems that people like him caused (giving houses to people who can't afford them anyone?). Also, just so you "kids" know, the economy goes in cycles.

Oh Sleeper is an extremely talented band who have acccomplished far more than most of you ever will. They make incredible music with intelligent lyrics. Not only that, but they stand up for what they believe in and aren't affected by ignorant, unintelligible people like you. They know that your opinion doesn't matter. I don't think it does either, but I had to stand up for those guys.
:lol: calm down Bill O'Reilly

[abusedcat]

Why do you guys care? hahaha.

[billyboatkid]

and the Democrats would then be bitching about the cost
Nah, we're cool headed. We don't get all vein popping crazy like the Rednecks.

I'm just calling it how I see it.

[batmannj]

He's my friend. Get over it and stay out of the conversation. Thanks.

i dont need to stay out of the conversation.

but my bad, i didnt know you were joking. my apologies.

[Greg Giggles]

just give me a million dollars and save a performance from bono, jeez

[brutalsaurus]

1) no one said they do, but have you seen the response from people in this country? i voted for Obama, i feel like he was the best person for the job at the time. some are celebrating this like some would celebrate the second coming of Jesus, this is not disputable.

2) true.

3) (sighs and shakes head) please take your blinders off and learn more about Bush than what you are spoon fed on the evening news. Yes he made mistakes, but he is not the sole reason everything is in shambles.

5) What does Oh, Sleeper's musical ability have any validity in this arguement? that would be like me saying you are ugly so therefore your opinion does not matter. seriously, get out of your ignorant mindset and post again later.
the person i quoted brought up oh sleepers musicianship.

i should of been more specific, i don't think bush is the only one to blame for anything i just think he is an idiot

[MarkyMark1984]

bush's was a record at 40 million.
wow... Obama showed Bush!!!!

[mickmadethelist]

didnt do the research. Also, this person failed to mention the 9 dollar drinks and 12 dollar champagne (which is pretty cheap for chicago at least) held at all the balls.

[Jason Tate]

honestly you guys are freaking ridiculous. a lot of you are probably 13 and know absolutely nothing about politics. people who don't like obama AREN'T stupid. they DON'T agree with his policies (why don't you show some tolerance liberals or is having a different opinion automatically wrong?) and don't buy into the empty words of an unqualified man with zero experience who has a good speech writer. do you seriously believe everything the media tells you? They single-handedly elected obama and worship him like god. Wait when he let's you down.

FACT- Obama WON'T solve all your problems
FACT- Bush is NOT as stupid as you idiots think he is. Do YOUR research. The economy was good under Clinton who had a CONSERVATIVE Congress. The economy only really began to tank when the LIBERALS took over congress in 2006.

If the economy is "fixed" he will only be fixing the problems that people like him caused (giving houses to people who can't afford them anyone?). Also, just so you "kids" know, the economy goes in cycles.

Oh Sleeper is an extremely talented band who have acccomplished far more than most of you ever will. They make incredible music with intelligent lyrics. Not only that, but they stand up for what they believe in and aren't affected by ignorant, unintelligible people like you. They know that your opinion doesn't matter. I don't think it does either, but I had to stand up for those guys.
http://graphics8.nytimes.com/images/2008/10/14/opinion/14opchart.full.jpg

The economics student in me thinks your post is ridiculous. The fact based person in me would just rather prove you wrong.

[Sikbeat37]

honestly you guys are freaking ridiculous. a lot of you are probably 13 and know absolutely nothing about politics. people who don't like obama AREN'T stupid. they DON'T agree with his policies (why don't you show some tolerance liberals or is having a different opinion automatically wrong?) and don't buy into the empty words of an unqualified man with zero experience who has a good speech writer. do you seriously believe everything the media tells you? They single-handedly elected obama and worship him like god. Wait when he let's you down.

FACT- Obama WON'T solve all your problems
FACT- Bush is NOT as stupid as you idiots think he is. Do YOUR research. The economy was good under Clinton who had a CONSERVATIVE Congress. The economy only really began to tank when the LIBERALS took over congress in 2006.

If the economy is "fixed" he will only be fixing the problems that people like him caused (giving houses to people who can't afford them anyone?). Also, just so you "kids" know, the economy goes in cycles.

Oh Sleeper is an extremely talented band who have acccomplished far more than most of you ever will. They make incredible music with intelligent lyrics. Not only that, but they stand up for what they believe in and aren't affected by ignorant, unintelligible people like you. They know that your opinion doesn't matter. I don't think it does either, but I had to stand up for those guys.
You asked for this.

Deregulation of the financial markets spanned both the Clinton and Bush administrations. After the creation of mortgage backed securities and collateralized mortgage obligations, financial institutions took advantage of these rising returns by buying up these instruments and virtually dismissing credit risk. Because the yields on MBSs skyrocketed, lenders started to get greedy and offered mortgages to borrowers that couldn't afford the terms. This risky debt, known commonly as a subprime mortgage, offered tremendous upside because of the risk associated with the investment. Thanks to creative stipulations on mortgage terms, inexperienced borrowers were offered lowered "teaser rates" on their loans or balloon payment options which allowed them to defer their debt or manage to afford the earlier loan payments. Eventually, defaults flooded the markets, losing MBSs their marketability. Since no one wanted to buy the securities, they lost all intrinsic value and were written down on the books of any company levered in them. This both destroys your investment banks and dramatically widens credit spreads, deterring any banks from lending. Without leveraging, all investments become extremely risky, save U.S. government backed treasury securities. Now that the financial sector/equity and debt markets are crumbling, the dollar is weakened (after Greenspan spent a few years obliterating fed rates), and outsourcing is continuing to hinder American economic growth, unemployment numbers blow up and discressionary spending is shot to hell. Without Americans feeding money into our huge trade deficits with other countries starts a chain reaction where foreign economies begin to feel our pain and suffer as well. This problem is further propagated by the media, which talks about the current recession like this is the first time our economy has fallen. Oh wait, the business cycle is...cyclical. There was a bad recession in the 1980s, now it's happening again, and years from now, it'll happen again. One can only hope, however, that Obama's socialized healthcare plan, economic stimulus package, and virtual recreation of FDR's "New Deal" will actually help the economy grow rather than exacerbate our nation's debt.

Is this a liberal vs. conservative problem? No, it's an issue of deregulation that both parties in the government foolishly ignored. It's a problem where a risk was poorly assessed on a new financial instrument. It's the ongoing issue of the U.S. importing more than we export while solely relying on the fact that foreign countries will never ask for returns on our Treasuries. And, most importantly, it's because of people like you that don't know what the hell is going on.

[batmannj]

the person i quoted brought up oh sleepers musicianship.

i should of been more specific, i don't think bush is the only one to blame for anything i just think he is an idiot

ok, i understand better. my bad if i seemed pissed, i just wish we could get along. as a country to move forward we need to listen to other's ideas. so yeah, my bad if i seemed pissed.

[BON]

i knew it had to be lucas that posted that, dammit starr.

anyone that agreed with his statement is a fucking retard.

its ok to not agree with obamas polices and whatnot but to back an asinine statement like the one Lucas made is fucking dumb. i guess i should expect it from callow individuals..hopefully you guys will learn to not be morons at some point.

[jfspinner88]

http://graphics8.nytimes.com/images/2008/10/14/opinion/14opchart.full.jpg

The economics student in me thinks your post is ridiculous. The fact based person in me would just rather prove you wrong.
So is this a total return chart? Like how much the economy/american people saw after the end of each president's term?

[thefallofcorey]

http://graphics8.nytimes.com/images/2008/10/14/opinion/14opchart.full.jpg

The economics student in me thinks your post is ridiculous. The fact based person in me would just rather prove you wrong.

of course there's more return. but they're spending our money to get it. i'd rather spend my money than let dumbass politicians do it.

[secthagoals626]

I'd say Carom Jones was just pwned...

[Jason Tate]

Moved to the politics forum - I don't think this sort of ridiculousness needs to be on the main page.

[Jason Tate]

of course there's more return. but they're spending our money to get it. i'd rather spend my money than let dumbass politicians do it.
Nothing you said makes sense.

[anamericangod]

Hahahaha. There needs to be a sub forum exclusively for news about shit bands.

[anthonydarko]

of course there's more return. but they're spending our money to get it. i'd rather spend my money than let dumbass politicians do it.:hitself:

[Jason Tate]

So is this a total return chart? Like how much the economy/american people saw after the end of each president's term?
It's a pretty well labeled chart. It's the S&P market.

However, this would be the American people:

http://graphics8.nytimes.com/images/2008/08/31/business/0831-sbn-webVIEW.gif

[silentone]

Yup. Bible thumping, hope-giving, care-attending, love-sharing idiots who I've seen pray with kids and actually do something positive with the influence (yes, smaller then most but still) they have.

While I concur that their statement was probably slightly bland and a bit "ventive" I'd actually take it a step further with CHURCHES spending millions on renovations and upgrades while the homeless still seek shelter and people are still hungry.

And since we're into stereotyping, I'd actually say they're ahead of the curve. Not everyone is going to jump on the Obama bandwagon when he gets in office, unity and being apart of "the crowd" isn't trendy and the desire to be unique and "hip" or "original" is valued much higher then actual intelligence.

...after all, at one point in time our old president Bush had an approval rating of 90% at one point, before he decided to chase our attackers and the terrorists who slammed a few jets into our old trade centers. Then justice lost its "sexiness" and so-called "peace" took its place.

Fads and trends, fads and trends...

[Hopesend]

I dont agree with these gusy statements but Underoath is terrible compared to Oh Sleeper.

Wrong. They're both terrible.

[MarkyMark1984]

i don't think they should have spent that much money on this.... i don't know what the costs that went into it were, but it does seem like a double standard.

[anthonydarko]

Hahahaha. There needs to be a sub forum exclusively for news about shit bands.
Yes there needs to be.

[Jason Tate]

Yup. Bible thumping, hope-giving, care-attending, love-sharing idiots who I've seen pray with kids and actually do something positive with the influence (yes, smaller then most but still) they have.

While I concur that their statement was probably slightly bland and a bit "ventive" I'd actually take it a step further with CHURCHES spending millions on renovations and upgrades while the homeless still seek shelter and people are still hungry.

And since we're into stereotyping, I'd actually say they're ahead of the curve. Not everyone is going to jump on the Obama bandwagon when he gets in office, unity and being apart of "the crowd" isn't trendy and the desire to be unique and "hip" or "original" is valued much higher then actual intelligence.

...after all, at one point in time our old president Bush had an approval rating of 90% at one point, before he decided to chase our attackers and the terrorists who slammed a few jets into our old trade centers. Then justice lost its "sexiness" and so-called "peace" took its place.

Fads and trends, fads and trends...
He went to Iraq -- which for maybe the 1 billionth time -- had nothing to do with the terrorists slamming "jets into our old trade centers." That's not justice.

[Jason Tate]

i don't think they should have spent that much money on this.... i don't know what the costs that went into it were, but it does seem like a double standard.
http://mediamatters.org/columns/200901170003
http://news.aol.com/political-machine/2009/01/19/why-will-obamas-inauguration-cost-so-much/

[Jason Tate]

Hahahaha. There needs to be a sub forum exclusively for news about shit bands.
www.thedailychorus.com (http://www.thedailychorus.com)

;-)

[anthonydarko]

www.thedailychorus.com (http://www.thedailychorus.com)

;-)
Hahaha win!

[GeeBee]

Yup. Bible thumping, hope-giving, care-attending, love-sharing idiots who I've seen pray with kids and actually do something positive with the influence (yes, smaller then most but still) they have.

While I concur that their statement was probably slightly bland and a bit "ventive" I'd actually take it a step further with CHURCHES spending millions on renovations and upgrades while the homeless still seek shelter and people are still hungry.

And since we're into stereotyping, I'd actually say they're ahead of the curve. Not everyone is going to jump on the Obama bandwagon when he gets in office, unity and being apart of "the crowd" isn't trendy and the desire to be unique and "hip" or "original" is valued much higher then actual intelligence.

...after all, at one point in time our old president Bush had an approval rating of 90% at one point, before he decided to chase our attackers and the terrorists who slammed a few jets into our old trade centers. Then justice lost its "sexiness" and so-called "peace" took its place.

Fads and trends, fads and trends...

You, sir, need to be poked in the eye, then kicked in the shins.

[HelpMeSleep]

Putting money from private donors into the economy doesn't hurt it. Guess Oh, Sleeper are really as dumb as they sound.
exactly. these boys are geniuses. :rolleyes:

[anamericangod]

www.thedailychorus.com (http://www.thedailychorus.com)

;-)

I lol'd.

[The Personist]

lol this got baaaad.

Jason, I commend your moving of the thread.

[Lueda Alia]

I don't even know who this band is. After reading that though, I don't even want to know about them.

[thefallofcorey]

Nothing you said makes sense.

okay, well i think i read the chart wrong. or i could be a dumbass. either way, i suck at math and shouldn't be talking politics this late.

[silentone]

It was perceived that Iraq was helping out the terrorist cause and had weapons of mass-destruction (ie: blogs/AP.net.)

I'm in agreement with most that we should get out of Iraq and let them self-destruct. It's not for us to care.

[anthonydarko]

I don't even know who this band is. After reading that though, I don't even want to know about them.
You're not missing anything special.

[taylerx0]

www.thedailychorus.com (http://www.thedailychorus.com)

;-)


:rotfl:

[TranslateTheNam]

lol at me not reading the thread.

lol at you liking shitty music with shittier politics.
man your a riot, not once did I mention this band, and not once did you post anything worth reading. Shittier politics? I dont know what to say. For the sake of everyone, keep your minds open and dont absorb everything the media feeds you. George Bush got slammed for spending 40 mil dollars 4 yrs ago, thats fact. Any dollar the gov't spends is our money. I cant wait till the Bush bashing is over with. Its the biggest bandwagon ride if seen in my life.

[Jeremy Aaron]

i don't think they should have spent that much money on this.... i don't know what the costs that went into it were, but it does seem like a double standard.

I don't get why people can't look at this reasonably or what they think could have been done in place of celebrating, I don't know, one of the most momentous occasions most of us will probably live to see. Use it for "economic stimulus?" There's an idea. We don't need this party. Let's just mail every American 56 cents each to try to boost the economy. Enjoy your Hershey bar.

Whether or not this money spent "works its way into the economy" is irrelevant. It's really not that much as compared to the economy as a whole. This event will have minimal economic impact one way or the other.

[NateFoundGlory]

And don't forget the violence.

[adeepname]

i've met lucas before and he seemed like a dick then too. i can't really say much that hasn't already been said before, but i figured oh, sleeper doesn't have much to offer with ryan gone.

[Jason Tate]

It was perceived that Iraq was helping out the terrorist cause and had weapons of mass-destruction (ie: blogs/AP.net.)

I'm in agreement with most that we should get out of Iraq and let them self-destruct. It's not for us to care.
I don't believe mere perception should be sufficient burden of proof for war.

[GeeBee]

It was perceived that Iraq was helping out the terrorist cause and had weapons of mass-destruction (ie: blogs/AP.net.)

I'm in agreement with most that we should get out of Iraq and let them self-destruct. It's not for us to care.

I disagree. It's for us to care, it's just not for us to support dictators and rebels (Hussein and the Taliban) in one decade when it suits us, then go after them the next decade. Both lead to our detriment. Caring is one thing, getting involved where you shouldn't is another.

[The Personist]

man your a riot, not once did I mention this band, and not once did you post anything worth reading. Shittier politics? I dont know what to say. For the sake of everyone, keep your minds open and dont absorb everything the media feeds you. George Bush got slammed for spending 40 mil dollars 4 yrs ago, thats fact. Any dollar the gov't spends is our money. I cant wait till the Bush bashing is over with. Its the biggest bandwagon ride if seen in my life.

Not really. Bush deserves all the hate he gets. He was one of this country's worst presidents.

[silentone]

You, sir, need to be poked in the eye, then kicked in the shins.

Yup. Agreed. Opinions like mine are stupid. How dare I.

[Jason Tate]

I don't get why people can't look at this reasonably or what they think could have been done in place of celebrating, I don't know, one of the most momentous occasions most of us will probably live to see. Use it for "economic stimulus?" There's an idea. We don't need this party. Let's just mail every American 56 cents each to try to boost the economy. Enjoy your Hershey bar.

Whether or not this money spent "works its way into the economy" is irrelevant. It's really not that much as compared to the economy as a whole. This event will have minimal economic impact one way or the other.
Hey hey ... now that would be spreading the wealth around --- we don't need no socialism!! If those that donated to today were mailing the neighbor money ... Joe the Plumber would flip shit.

;-)

[anthonydarko]

It was perceived that Iraq was helping out the terrorist cause and had weapons of mass-destruction (ie: blogs/AP.net.)

I'm in agreement with most that we should get out of Iraq and let them self-destruct. It's not for us to care.
Sadly it will still be a long time untill we can get out. Truth is if we left tomorrow, the whole country would cave in and crumble. Look at Somalia for an example.

[Jason Tate]

man your a riot, not once did I mention this band, and not once did you post anything worth reading. Shittier politics? I dont know what to say. For the sake of everyone, keep your minds open and dont absorb everything the media feeds you. George Bush got slammed for spending 40 mil dollars 4 yrs ago, thats fact. Any dollar the gov't spends is our money. I cant wait till the Bush bashing is over with. Its the biggest bandwagon ride if seen in my life.
He did? I don't remember seeing much slamming. I remember people throwing rotten food at his limo though.

[GeeBee]

Yup. Agreed. Opinions like mine are stupid. How dare I.

When your opinion is that "invading Iraq=chasing down 9/11 perpetrators", opinions like yours are COLOSSALLY stupid, and contribute to the dumbing down of the population.

[shes.a.ghost]

I don't even know who this band is. After reading that though, I don't even want to know about them.So you have to agree with a band's politics before you give them a listen? Sounds like you are a real fan of music.

[silentone]

I don't believe mere perception should be sufficient burden of proof for war.

I suppose you're right. But what we now call "perception" was once called "fact." A majority of America at the time called our current "perceptions" facts. We now obviously know better.


...I'm not sayin, I'm just saying.

[Lueda Alia]

So you have to agree with a band's politics before you give them a listen? Sounds like you are a real fan of music.
I knew that was post was coming. No, their political views have nothing to do with it. Their ignorant views, on the other hand, have everything to do with it. Anyone who has done enough research would know that this price tag is not unusual for inaugurations.

[batmannj]

i've met lucas before and he seemed like a dick then too. i can't really say much that hasn't already been said before, but i figured oh, sleeper doesn't have much to offer with ryan gone.

i have met lucas, and all the guys in oh, sleeper, and to be honest they were all pretty cool. thats me though.

[GeeBee]

So you have to agree with a band's politics before you give them a listen? Sounds like you are a real fan of music.

Agree with their politics, no. Be assured that they at least have a head on their shoulders...perhaps so.

[silentone]

Sadly it will still be a long time untill we can get out. Truth is if we left tomorrow, the whole country would cave in and crumble. Look at Somalia for an example.

This was kind of what I was getting at. I'm saying we shouldn't just "up and leave". Too many innocent people, like many have already, will be mortally effected.

Maybe my opinions arent so stupid? But again, this is AP.net, honest opinions are suspect.

[Jason Tate]

So you have to agree with a band's politics before you give them a listen? Sounds like you are a real fan of music.
Why not? Millions of different reasons go into a decision making process -- or judgment process -- of liking a band or their music. I don't see why their intelligence or political preference can't play a role. There are countless bands making music and at some point a decision to either listen or not listen is made ... what draws that line is different for each person. I see no problem with one of those reasons being political. And I am 100% fine with that going the other way.

[BON]

i have met lucas, and all the guys in oh, sleeper, and to be honest they were all pretty cool. thats me though.


i love lucas, solid dude, fun to hang out with, but that doesnt change the fact that his comment was very very very dumb.

[Carom Jones]

seriously? you can all call me an idiot but i go to one of the best universities in the country, something most of you probably don't do. yeah the university of north carolina, a "public ivy" with around a 35% acceptance rate, among the top 25 lowest i think (easily the top 10 in public schools). the root of the problem is that you don't want to admit that you are wrong. i do respect the people giving reasons for their opinons though not the idiots who say "oh sleeper is retarded." i bet you are too

[batmannj]

I knew that was post was coming. No, their political views have nothing to do with it. Their ignorant views, on the other hand, have everything to do with it. Anyone who has done enough research would know that this price tag is not unusual for inaugurations.

i understand what you are saying, but this inauguration is $130 million dollars more expensive than the last one. i think it is not so much the amount the people have a problem with, it is the symbolism of a country who is going into a dark and difficult economic time where hundreds of thousands of Americans are losing their jobs while the people in Washington live it up. i do not blame President Obama, he does not plan this stuff. I blame the ignorant people in Washington who do not realize the kind of message this is going to send. Like i said before, i think the people who have a problem with this are people who are looking more at the symbolism rather than the actual dollar amount.

for the record, i voted for President Obama. I just think that a celebration on this scale sends a bad message.

[anthonydarko]

This was kind of what I was getting at. I'm saying we shouldn't just "up and leave". Too many innocent people, like many have already, will be mortally effected.

Maybe my opinions arent so stupid? But again, this is AP.net, honest opinions are suspect.
I don't think you got what I was saying. What I was getting at is while it would be a great idea to get out of Iraq, we're too dug in to leave . It will be a long time until we will be done with Iraq.

[Lueda Alia]

Why not? Millions of different reasons go into a decision making process -- or judgment process -- of liking a band or their music. I don't see why their intelligence or political preference can't play a role. There are countless bands making music and at some point a decision to either listen or not listen is made ... what draws that line is different for each person. I see no problem with one of those reasons being political. And I am 100% fine with that going the other way.
Haha I find it amusing because that band (or band member) did not even talk about their political views. They were just complaining about the price of the inauguration, which is what I consider dumb and what makes me not want to listen to their music. Their political views don't even have anything to do with it. I'm sure some bands I listen to aren't left-wing, and I am okay with that. But like you said, if I wasn't, then I'm not sure what the big deal would be? People don't listen to musicians/bands for different reasons.

[Bobby Tucker]

1) It seems to me that the problem is not with the celebration or the price tag, but with the high cost in the context of the current recession. The blame, then, falls on the media, who are so disunified by party lines that each side will expose some inane or irrelevant "secret" as a means to "get ahead" both in the ratings game and in the political sphere. The American government does a rather sound job of keeping most budgetary information from the eyes of the average American, because the end figures don't change our day to day grind in the workforce. So why, then, did the American public need to know the cost of such an event? Because it propelled one political party, and their media supporters, over the other. Sometimes, ignorance really is bliss.
2) I personally have nothing against Obama, and I know that if he makes good on even half of his promises we as a nation will find ourselves in a better place in 4-8 years. However, any argument that he has made a great stride for Civil Rights in the same vein as MLK is a bit of a hyperbole, truth be told, since MLK was purporting the idea of color-blindness within society, while the election of Obama seems to sharply contrast this by making color one of the main issues of the campaign/election. Yes, this is a historic day. Yes, America has come a long way since slavery and segregation. But can we, possibly, look at the man as a messenger of the platform, as a beacon of the cause, rather than a symbol of color or a shift in the national perspective? Because when you actually start to look beneath all of the surface stuff- his race, his religious background, the puppy he bought for his daughters- is when you really understand that the Change (yes, capitalized) that he is promising is based on ideas, not on the distance between black and white.
3) I really don't think that this band member has ever taken an economics class, otherwise he'd realize that, despite the slow process of trickle-down economics, the money spent will still help to support the economy through income taxes, sales taxes, gas taxes, and whatever else the workers at the inauguration decide to spend their money on, not to mention the fact that the money will instantly revive one of the most popular, yet still ailing, tourist cities in America, our nation's capital.

[shes.a.ghost]

I knew that was post was coming. No, their political views have nothing to do with it. Their ignorant views, on the other hand, have everything to do with it. Anyone who has done enough research would know that this price tag is not unusual for inaugurations.As much everyone wants to call it ignorant, its not. The argument they have is pretty reasonable. That doesn't mean that they are correct in any way, but to say that questioning why 170,000,000 dollars was spent is ignorant is just the wrong word to use in my opinion.

[GeeBee]

seriously? you can all call me an idiot but i go to one of the best universities in the country, something most of you probably don't do. yeah the university of north carolina, a "public ivy" with around a 35% acceptance rate, among the top 25 lowest i think (easily the top 10 in public schools). the root of the problem is that you don't want to admit that you are wrong. i do respect the people giving reasons for their opinons though not the idiots who say "oh sleeper is retarded." i bet you are too

Sounds like we need a "w00t w00t" for UNC and another "w00t" for students there who defend shitty music.

[silentone]

I don't think you got what I was saying. What I was getting at is while it would be a great idea to get out of Iraq, we're too dug in to leave . It will be a long time until we will be done with Iraq.

True. I sadly agree with you. It's gonna be a while.

[Lueda Alia]

i understand what you are saying, but this inauguration is $130 million dollars more expensive than the last one.
I'm afraid I won't bother reading the rest of your post since you're absolutely wrong there.
However, buried in a recent New York Times article published one week (http://mediamatters.org/rd?to=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.nytimes.com% 2F2009%2F01%2F06%2Fus%2Fpolitics%2F 06donors.html%3F_r%3D1%26pagewanted %3Dprint) before the controversy erupted over the cost of Obama's inauguration, the newspaper reported that in 2005, "the federal government and the District of Columbia spent a combined $115.5 million, most of it for security, the swearing-in ceremony, cleanup and for a holiday for federal workers" [emphasis added].


You read that correctly. The federal government spent $115 million dollars for the 2005 inauguration. Keep in mind, that $115 million price tag was separate from the money Bush backers bundled to put on the inauguration festivities. For that, they raised $42 million. So the bottom line for Bush's 2005 inauguration, including the cost of security? That's right, $157 million.


Read the full article here (http://mediamatters.org/columns/200901170003).

[anthonydarko]

seriously? you can all call me an idiot but i go to one of the best universities in the country, something most of you probably don't do. yeah the university of north carolina, a "public ivy" with around a 35% acceptance rate, among the top 25 lowest i think (easily the top 10 in public schools). the root of the problem is that you don't want to admit that you are wrong. i do respect the people giving reasons for their opinons though not the idiots who say "oh sleeper is retarded." i bet you are too
Just because you go to a good school doesn't mean you're smarter or better than anyone on this site.

[apoemtothedead]

seriously? you can all call me an idiot but i go to one of the best universities in the country, something most of you probably don't do. yeah the university of north carolina, a "public ivy" with around a 35% acceptance rate, among the top 25 lowest i think (easily the top 10 in public schools). the root of the problem is that you don't want to admit that you are wrong. i do respect the people giving reasons for their opinons though not the idiots who say "oh sleeper is retarded." i bet you are too
Sweet bragz up in here.