2009 NFL Draft

[Mibabalou]

Hey just talking about the NFL Draft anything you want.

I just wanna talk about the New York Jets draft, ESPN has them taking Percy Harvin and i see no point in them taking him. They have Leon Washington who is about the same guy. I would rather see them take a bigger possession receiver or a LB to go along with Vernon Gholston, like Rey Maualuga, Brian Cushing or James Laurinaitis.

[xbrokendownx]

to go along with vernon gholston? he had like 5 tackles all year didnt he?

[we are cured]

well to be fair he was a raw DE at best, and they tried to make him OLB in the 3-4. hopefully ryan can turn him around.

[soundofthebrown]

he had linebacker speed and potential. his position may be DE, but he was always one of those de that played like a linebacker. granted he's better rushing the qb - but the 3-4 didn't really help that transition.

[xbrokendownx]

well rex ryan plays the 3-4 too sooooo

[we are cured]

rex ryan >>>>>>>>>>>>(x 1000000000) don sutton

[livethesounds]

Percy Harvin falls to the Titans at pick number whateverthehell.

[Momo32T]

Mark Sanchez to the Jets, if he doesn't go earlier.

[Tail0130]

I agree with you on Harvin. No way. I'm much more feeling Maclin if he's available. I saw a draft where Jenkins was available, and I think pairing him with Revis would make for a great secondary, and significantly help our pass defense.

In terms of priorities I go:
1) QB (Sanchez if he somehow drops)
2) big WR (Maclin, perhaps Nicks in the 2nd?)
3) CB (Alphonso Smith, Vontae Davis)
4) ILB to pair with Harris (Rey, Crushing)
5) SS to pair with Rhodes

Nice to see some Jets fans btw. T-Rex is gonna tear up the league.

[xbrokendownx]

theres 0 chance Sanchez falls to the Jets

[preppyak]

theres 0 chance Sanchez falls to the Jets
Meh...I'd be surprised not to see Sanchez/Stafford fall to that range...there are questions about Stafford's consistency, and questions about Sanchez lack of experience...and with so many linemen and defensive players available, I could easily see one of them falling to the Jets. Detroit, KC, and San Fran are the only teams above them that "need" a QB, San Fran probably won't take one of the guys, and I bet Detroit passes on spending $70+ mil on 1 player with that pick (opting for an OL), and I don't even think KC will neccessarily grab one of them. One of them will probably go in the top 10, either via trade up or one of those teams, but then the other could easily fall to 17 (or the Jets could trade up a few picks to grab him, with several teams in the 11-16 range probably being willing to move)

If they both perform well in the combine, then ok, I agree...but if one of them struggles in workouts, they could fall out of the top 20. Nate Davis, Josh Freeman, and Graham Harrell are sitting there in the 2nd/3rd round as cheaper options that are probably just as good. Actually, most mock drafts I've seen have KC waiting til round 2 and taking Nate Davis

[Chris M.]

Sanchez is the sexy pick right now. I don't see him falling to the Jets unless his combine numbers are awful and even then I wouldn't be so sure about it.

[Mibabalou]

ya no way i dont even want sanchez kelemens didnt play that bad two years ago even though they went 4-12 the scores were close and i really dont want brett back

i would love to see these area's get addressed

i tryed to look up what pick we have in what rounds but im not sure so if someone could help with that


1. LB / WR - Like i said either Rey Maualuga, Brian Cushing or James Laurinaitis, or a big WR like Hakim Nicks

2. the other we dont get in the first round

3. Safety / Corner - One more with rhodes and revis and well have a shut down secondary

4. QB - I mean Brett was alright but sometimes i wish Kellen Clemens got some time last year we just need someone to come in not throw 3 INT's and well win

we dont need an all star we have two great WR's and a young TE that is great and O-Line that is great and a nice pair or RB's also i think we never used Brad Smith enough who is a great tool like Randel El for trick plays and Gagets

[rcrook]

kellen clemens threw 5 tds, 10 ints and had a qb rating of 60.9...that is real bad

[Chris M.]

What do Jets fans actually see in Kellen Clemens? He was awful when he played in '07 and I really don't see him as anything more than a career backup.

and for what it's worth I'd much much much rather have Sanchez than Clemens as my team's QB. Still doubt he'll fall to the Jets though.

[preppyak]

What do Jets fans actually see in Kellen Clemens? He was awful when he played in '07 and I really don't see him as anything more than a career backup.

and for what it's worth I'd much much much rather have Sanchez than Clemens as my team's QB. Still doubt he'll fall to the Jets though.
The worst is that he is a 52% passer...on top of the 60 passer rating and 1:2 TD/INT ratio. In fact, he was the worst in the NFL in all 3 categories...Vince Young was a far more efficient passer (62% completion, 72 rating, same 1:2 ratio).

I understand that their line is better now and the team is better now, but, I'd take my chances on someone else before I'd got for Clemens again...he has Kordell type numbers. And I think the loser of the Sanchez/Stafford battle could fall to that range...it all depends what the 49ers value at their pick...because if they decide against a QB, the Jets are basically the next team after looking for a QB

[xbrokendownx]

ive heard more jets fans be excited for Ratliff then clemens

[we are cured]

i don't want to write off clemens until i can see what he does in a pocket...you know, something that didn't exist for the jets in 2007. he's not a mobile quarterback, he's a pocket passer with a gun but also some accuracy issues.

but yeah ratliff and clowney hooked up on a couple of big throws in the preseason so there is some excitement there.

[CubbyNick42]

I hope the Bears don't draft a WR in the first round. As bad as their receiving corps was, their DBs managed to be worse.

[S/T]

I'd love for the Jags to grab Harvin. And what's the word on Cornelius Ingram?

[batmannj]

unfortunately i am a big lions fan, and i am hoping and praying we do not draft matthew stafford. i think he is terribly overrated.

[CubbyNick42]

Why?

[theguy77]

Percy Harvin falls to the Titans at pick number whateverthehell.

fuck you jaguars need him more :-d

[theguy77]

knowing jack del rio though and his preference for larger possession oriented receivers, we'd go for crabtree long before harvin i think.

[J.C.]

I don't really have a good idea of what direction I want the Chiefs to go in yet. It'll probably hinge on whatever coach gets hired.

[preppyak]

knowing jack del rio though and his preference for larger possession oriented receivers, we'd go for crabtree long before harvin i think.
Crabtree is gone by the Seahawks...no way he falls to the Jags

[GiggsOho]

Saw Kiper's mock - shocked that Brandon Pettigrew is going at 11? Is that for real? Everything else I have seen says Pettigrew is going to drop to the Eagles in the 20's.

Want to see Eugene Monroe in a Redskins uni.

[theguy77]

if we were going to have a season that fucking dsappointing we might as well lost one more game to get a better shot at that WR we so desperately need

[preppyak]

well, Kiper relies so much on NFL information, and right now there probably isn't any that is useful at any level, so he's just guessing like anyone else...and he is going entirely on college play, etc. When the combine finishes and teams start throwing out random information and misinformation, that's when his mock draft starts to make sense

[Bigalan2004]

i lost all credibility in kiper's draft and analysis on prospects when he claimed mike williams was the next big thing. i prefer mcshay's mock drafts.

[CubbyNick42]

i lost all credibility in kiper's draft and analysis on prospects when he claimed mike williams was the next big thing. i prefer mcshay's mock drafts.
...Mike Williams WAS the next big thing. That guy was the one of the best college receivers we'll see in our lifetimes. It's not Mel's fault he didn't know how to condition himself during his year off.

[preppyak]

yeah, that's like blaming anyone for not predicting Ryan Leaf blowing up...not many, if anyone, really had that one nailed

[Bigalan2004]

...Mike Williams WAS the next big thing. That guy was the one of the best college receivers we'll see in our lifetimes. It's not Mel's fault he didn't know how to condition himself during his year off.

yeah you are right, there is just something about mel that doesn't sit well with me. i just think he over-hypes way too many guys which to me makes him look like he is losing cred.

[preppyak]

well, he is an on-tv analyst for ESPN, he is basically forced to pick 2 or 3 guys and highlight them rather than give an objective analysis of the whole draft...he usually does a decent job for having 2 minutes to explain the draft and 30 seconds to explain players...but, mostly avoid ESPN if you can looking for analysis on any level

[TEAMRAMROD]

i'd love to see rey maualuga in a bucs uniform.

[Bigalan2004]

well, he is an on-tv analyst for ESPN, he is basically forced to pick 2 or 3 guys and highlight them rather than give an objective analysis of the whole draft...he usually does a decent job for having 2 minutes to explain the draft and 30 seconds to explain players...but, mostly avoid ESPN if you can looking for analysis on any level

what would you recommend for analysis?

just wondering but what is your opinion on the current analysts that are on ESPN?

[bigmike]

I love Todd McShay and I defer to all his analysis. Also, Mike Williams killed himself in two ways: declaring for the draft early and then it getting shot down. Secondly, he was continually overweight and the Lions asked him to get in shape and even offered to have him move closer to the training camp facility. Dude ate his way out of the league. Charles Rogers snorted his way out.

[Scott Weber]

ya no way i dont even want sanchez kelemens didnt play that bad two years ago even though they went 4-12 the scores were close and i really dont want brett back

wut.

[live.]

I saw Brett Ratliff at camp. He's got a gun.

[Smithers]

1. LB / WR - Like i said either Rey Maualuga, Brian Cushing or James Laurinaitis, or a big WR like Hakim Nicks

is Nicks really a first rounder? I would think he needs a good combine to jump into it. I thought of him as a 2nd.

[J.C.]

I wouldn't call Nicks a big WR(assuming we're talking about size), but I do like him. Late 1st-Early 2nd sounds about right.

[Hagysaurus Rex]

unfortunately i am a big lions fan, and i am hoping and praying we do not draft matthew stafford. i think he is terribly overrated.

I think he might be good, but they might be better off with Eugene Monroe. That guy is a beast and if he has a lengty pro bowl career then he validates a 1 overall. They might be better off trading down for more picks. They have a lot of needs.

[Hagysaurus Rex]

But on topic, I do see Sanchez there when the Jets draft, but it wouldn't surprise me if they go D. Maybe one of the USC linebackers (Chushing/Malaluaga) can get the bad taste of Ghoulston out of their mouths.

[preppyak]

what would you recommend for analysis?

just wondering but what is your opinion on the current analysts that are on ESPN?
I love Todd McShay and I defer to all his analysis.
I like McShay's stuff for the most part...and I'm not huge on the draft itself, so I don't read a ton of different places consistently, but what I like to do is read as many mock drafts as I can find, mostly for their reasoning, and work it out from there. ESPN/SI/etc are great because they have the inside info, but, they lack the specific team knowledge sometimes...whereas guys who predict their own team know what they need, but, don't know exactly what the team is thinking.

[preppyak]

is Nicks really a first rounder? I would think he needs a good combine to jump into it. I thought of him as a 2nd.
I wouldn't call Nicks a big WR(assuming we're talking about size), but I do like him. Late 1st-Early 2nd sounds about right.
Yeah, he's not neccessarily a "big" WR, but, he's been groomed as a possession, 10 catch a game kind of guy, and to make his catches over the middle. And with some of the catches I've seen him make, he could definitely go in the 1st round, especially if he runs a good 40 time

[wrppdarndyrfngr]

I hope the Chiefs trade down their pick. We need to draft as many people as we can.

[J.C.]

That's the preferable scenario right now.

[IcedOpethBlind]

reallllllly hope the Texans attempt to shore up the secondary with a few DB picks in this draft....also drafting a DE w/ upside to pair opposite Super Mario should be a priority...

really like our chances next season if we can have a good draft.

[preppyak]

I hope the Chiefs trade down their pick. We need to draft as many people as we can.
That's the preferable scenario right now.
The question then is, who's trading up? Unless a team really wants Stafford/Sanchez, and doesn't think they'll fall to their spot, I don't see a lot of teams making big moves up.

[Smithers]

The question then is, who's trading up? Unless a team really wants Stafford/Sanchez, and doesn't think they'll fall to their spot, I don't see a lot of teams making big moves up.
i'd have to agree. there's no real sure thing in the draft and pretty much nobody worth moving up for, unless said person falls in the first place ie. BQ in 2007.

[batmannj]

I think he might be good, but they might be better off with Eugene Monroe. That guy is a beast and if he has a lengty pro bowl career then he validates a 1 overall. They might be better off trading down for more picks. They have a lot of needs.
for sure, i am hoping that the lions would take a tackle early, and then go defense for the rest of the first day. Then in the 4-7 rounds go after the best player available at positions they need. i would not mind if they took Nate Davis in the 3rd round, I just want them to stay away from QB on the first few days. They need so many things right now.

[wrppdarndyrfngr]

The question then is, who's trading up? Unless a team really wants Stafford/Sanchez, and doesn't think they'll fall to their spot, I don't see a lot of teams making big moves up.

That's true. I didn't think about it that way. ya I don't see many people moving up but I hope someone wants our pick enough to give us something good.

[NickShep10]

...Mike Williams WAS the next big thing. That guy was the one of the best college receivers we'll see in our lifetimes. It's not Mel's fault he didn't know how to condition himself during his year off.

He was very good, others that were just as good if not better in college:

Crabtree
Moss
Rodgers
Burress
D. Terrell
Braylon
Peter Warrick
Roy Williams
Santana Moss
Andre Johnson

There are more, when you say one of the best you've gotta say that the list of the best could include between at least 10 or more players over the course of a decade or so.

[J.C.]

Larry Fitzgerald and Calvin Johnson were the best college receivers I've seen in my lifetime. A full cut above everyone else.

[xbrokendownx]

yea id say Calvin Johnson and Crabtree were the 2 best college WRs ive seen

[Scott Weber]

fitz >>>>>>>> CJ in college.

[J.C.]

I'd put Fitz over CJ too.

Still amazing what they both did with pretty bad quarterbacks.

[livethesounds]

fuck you jaguars need him more :-d

You kidding? As far as team needs the titans need him MUCH more. The Jags currently have a few other holes. Sure they don't have the best receivers, but they have other more pressing needs. i've argued this for a month now and it just keeps coming back around. The Jags can go ahead and draft a WR, but they still won't be much improved from where they were in week 17 if that's where they go with their #1 pick.

knowing jack del rio though and his preference for larger possession oriented receivers, we'd go for crabtree long before harvin i think.

The fact that you think there's even a chance of getting Crabrtree at the Jags position tells me something. Plus doesn't Del Rio have a number of those exact same reicevers?

[IcedOpethBlind]

The fact that you think there's even a chance of getting Crabrtree at the Jags position tells me something. Plus doesn't Del Rio have a number of those exact same reicevers?

seriously

[FondestMemory]

fitz >>>>>>>> CJ in college.

yep.

and moss >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> fitz in college.

i don't care that it was at marshall, randy moss was the most dominant college receiver i've seen.

[TEAMRAMROD]

wXRqyjzyBRg
just ridiculous.

[preppyak]

haha, i hadn't seen that one yet, jesus

[TEAMRAMROD]

and to think what he could've done with a decent quarterback...

[rcrook]

he is 23...

[TEAMRAMROD]

what?

[S9Dallasoz]

i'd love to see rey maualuga in a bucs uniform.

I think he could fit in real well in Oakland.
I expect Jacksonville to end up with him though.

[TEAMRAMROD]

I think he could fit in real well in Oakland.
I expect Jacksonville to end up with him though.

yeah just wishful thinking.

[J.C.]

Oakland already has a middle linebacker.

[theguy77]

You kidding? As far as team needs the titans need him MUCH more. The Jags currently have a few other holes. Sure they don't have the best receivers, but they have other more pressing needs. i've argued this for a month now and it just keeps coming back around. The Jags can go ahead and draft a WR, but they still won't be much improved from where they were in week 17 if that's where they go with their #1 pick.

im gonna have to totally disagree with you man, most our offensive issues were undeniably caused by injuries in the o-line i mean when ALL FIVE of your guys had at least half a season's worth of injury time... defensively hardly anything changed from the year before, except the defensive coordinator, and hes actually got a lot of credibility in that department (he coached the superbowl year titans defense!) but maybe his system just wasnt compatible with the guys we had -- my guess is he blitzes a lot, cause his whole package is all about pressure on the QB, which means lots of man coverage and quite frankly we have a corner (brian williams) and a safety (gerald sensabaugh) who just lack the athletic capabilities to keep up with those recievers on an island when necessary, loads of big plays were given up. who knows, but we got a new guy. quite frankly we lost a lot of our close games on deflated morale, a fucking LOT of which came from dropped passes and holding calls (from crappy wideouts and backup linemen, predictably) which would turn great first down plays from garrard into abrupt endings to established drives. i am sorry but if theres anything we need players-wise that we don't already have, its dependability and we need that guy in our receiver core to make those key catches week in and week out. saying northcutt is that guy for us now is even sadder than saying freddie mitchell was that guy for mcnabb a few years back.

The fact that you think there's even a chance of getting Crabrtree at the Jags position tells me something. Plus doesn't Del Rio have a number of those exact same reicevers?

yes but do you think that changes his mentality? face it, he runs his entire team based on a few simple things: size, physical play, and the ability to lower that shoulder and deliver a hit. harvin is about the opposite of what del rio finds to be desirable in any draft pick regardless of position, although if we had the opportunity and didnt take him i'd be fucking pissed.

[theguy77]

besides picking a WR with our #1 pick would be a lot better than picking 2 fucking DE's with our first two picks when we already have two solid ones... ugh. cant get cold feet just cause reggie williams was a moderate bust.

[Hagysaurus Rex]

yeah just wishful thinking.

Nah, wishful thinking is hoping he will drop to my Dolphins, who could really, really use him. BJ Raji falling that far is also a pipe dream

[SgtSmegma]

I agree with you on Harvin. No way. I'm much more feeling Maclin if he's available. I saw a draft where Jenkins was available, and I think pairing him with Revis would make for a great secondary, and significantly help our pass defense.

In terms of priorities I go:
1) QB (Sanchez if he somehow drops)
2) big WR (Maclin, perhaps Nicks in the 2nd?)
3) CB (Alphonso Smith, Vontae Davis)
4) ILB to pair with Harris (Rey, Crushing)
5) SS to pair with Rhodes

Nice to see some Jets fans btw. T-Rex is gonna tear up the league.

I don't think that Nicks will be available in the 2nd.

I don't really have a good idea of what direction I want the Chiefs to go in yet. It'll probably hinge on whatever coach gets hired.

The Chiefs are almost guaranteed to improve through the draft. Even if they monumentally fuck up their draft, they should still improve.

[preppyak]

and to think what he could've done with a decent quarterback...
what?
Yeah...Calvin Johnson is going into his 3rd year...still averages 1000yds a season, and might actually have someone throwing him the ball that can stay in bounds

[Chris M.]

I think he's talking about his career at Georgia Tech, which unless my memory's failing me, he never had very good QBs throwing him the ball.

[J.C.]

Yep, Reggie Ball was awful.

[Scott Weber]

5'11'' and a 44% completion %? nah.

[preppyak]

I think he's talking about his career at Georgia Tech, which unless my memory's failing me, he never had very good QBs throwing him the ball.
Yep, Reggie Ball was awful.
Ah...gotcha, yeah, Reggie Ball was awful

[BauerFTW]

http://walterfootball.com/ I find this to be a pretty good site for info on prospects and the draft.

[Mibabalou]

still hoping the jets take a LB with there first round pick unless some miricle stafford is there

no other qb is worth that pick

[xbrokendownx]

yeaaa pretty sure Stafford will be gone..

[kshtoinks12]

I wouldn't mind seeing James L. in green, but that's just me.

[J.C.]

Think there'll be better options for the Jets at 17. They really need someone to build around on offense(not necessarily a QB).

[livethesounds]

i'm not even looking at mock drafts anymore. they're changing too drastically every time a new one comes out for me to even care.

[J.C.]

Yup, wait till after the combine and let everything shake out.

[Dirty Ernie]

The one guy from ESPN keeps picking Sanchez to fall to 17 for the Jets. I don't think there is any way he drops that far.

[ntb60]

The one guy from ESPN keeps picking Sanchez to fall to 17 for the Jets. I don't think there is any way he drops that far.

It happened to Leinart and Aaron Rodgers. Anything can happen.

[SgtSmegma]

I wouldn't mind seeing James L. in green, but that's just me.

He'll be a bust

[J.C.]

Sanchez could fall a bit. I don't know how many teams will be willing to take him early and pay him big money.

[ntb60]

Sanchez could fall a bit. I don't know how many teams will be willing to take him early and pay him big money.

The one season of starting experience may play against him, not to mention Pete Carroll's show at Sanchez's news conference. If he's serious about the game unlike his predeccesor, he'll be fine though, he's got the skills.

[kshtoinks12]

Think there'll be better options for the Jets at 17. They really need someone to build around on offense(not necessarily a QB).
Personally, my favorite offensive, non QB weapon in the draft is Hakeen Nicks. I think he'll go later in the 1st though.

[preppyak]

The one guy from ESPN keeps picking Sanchez to fall to 17 for the Jets. I don't think there is any way he drops that far.
Well, I said it earlier in the thread, if San Fran doesn't take him, then he falls to 17 unless someone trades up...those teams define "set" at QB. And at 17, it would definitely be solid value for the Jets to pick Sanchez unless they have a FA pick-up

[CubbyNick42]

The one season of starting experience may play against him, not to mention Pete Carroll's show at Sanchez's news conference. If he's serious about the game unlike his predeccesor, he'll be fine though, he's got the skills.
Please explain how this affects his draft stock.

[FondestMemory]

i understand what he's saying, but it would only be a factor if carroll has continued on about how sanchez isn't ready.

it was that one time and carroll apologized for it. it's a non-issue right now. fuck, even having only one season starting at usc isn't really a factor.

[Mibabalou]

im down for the jets to get hakim i think if they accept that they need to become a run first team with jones & washington and throw a little bit i mean there receiving core is good coles, cotchery, stucky, and i think brad smith has been underused since we drafted him dustin keller became a pretty nice threat last season with brett

thats still why i want a LB / or safety at 17 unless again stafford hahah but itll never happen

o ya and if crabtree is there id love it

[xbrokendownx]

crabtree at 17? ok.

[kshtoinks12]

My roommate is positive the Jets will draft Sanchez, sign Byron Leftwich, and let Sanchez develop for a couple years.

[Smithers]

It happened to Leinart and Aaron Rodgers. Anything can happen.
BQ as well. who thought he'd really fall past the Dolphins at 9?

[preppyak]

crabtree at 17? ok.
Only way he falls that far is if he runs a 4.7 40....if he hits even the 4.5's, he won't get past the 10 pick
My roommate is positive the Jets will draft Sanchez, sign Byron Leftwich, and let Sanchez develop for a couple years.haha...I see them drafting Sanchez if he falls to there...but, I dunno about Leftwich. Yeah, he played great for the Steelers, but, it was for brief periods of time, his history is a different story.

There are better options at QB

[NoOneRunsFaster]

Being a niners fan, I understand we have a lot of needs.

Olb - Manny Lawson just hasn't produced the way I thought he would. Hoping to draft Maybin from PSU

Wr - easily priority number 1. Jeremy Maclin would make me happy.

Cb/S - priority number 2. I would love for Vonte Davis to be available.

And finally QB. Shaun Hill isn't as bad as it seems. I mean. He's undefeated at home. Unless you count the Seattle game where he came in at halftime. Waiting til the later rounds and getting Rhett Bomar would please me. I also feel that yesterday at the combine Pat Hill looked good. He was putting good touch on the ball and ran an insane 40 time.

[Chris M.]

Yeah...good luck on getting at least two of Maybin, Maclin and Vontae Davis let alone all 3 of them. I don't think they'll get any of them to be honest because they should go for Everette Brown or Mark Sanchez if he's still available.

and who's Pat Hill?

[bigmike]

http://assets.espn.go.com/photo/2006/1019/ncf_g_hill_195.jpg

He's turning pro.

[FondestMemory]

niners can't afford to take a qb in the first round. that would be a horrible mistake for them.

[NoOneRunsFaster]

Yeah...good luck on getting at least two of Maybin, Maclin and Vontae Davis let alone all 3 of them. I don't think they'll get any of them to be honest because they should go for Everette Brown or Mark Sanchez if he's still available.

and who's Pat Hill?

Sorry, meant Pat White. I'm at work and was rushing.

I think Maclin is a good possibility for us. Really all the players I named weren't people I think we will get, just people I'd be happy with. The last couple years draft day has been the biggest disappointment with the exception of Vernon Davis.

[FondestMemory]

patrick willis?

[NoOneRunsFaster]

patrick willis?

Again, at work and rushin my typings, and Patrick Willis. My boss keeps checking on me as soon as I start typing so I just send it off before double checking what I'm saying.

[Chris M.]

How has Vernon Davis not been a disappointment? Dude hasn't lived up to the hype at all.

[FondestMemory]

he's at work man, give him a break.

[NoOneRunsFaster]

How has Vernon Davis not been a disappointment? Dude hasn't lived up to the hype at all.

Ok, so I'm off work now and can finish a post. Haha.

While his numbers have been dissapointing, he has been solid in run blocking. And a lot of the time even on pass plays he is staying in to block. Not having a good quarterback doesn't help, nor does the Niners new run first philosophy

[ntb60]

Ok, so I'm off work now and can finish a post. Haha.

While his numbers have been dissapointing, he has been solid in run blocking. And a lot of the time even on pass plays he is staying in to block. Not having a good quarterback doesn't help, nor does the Niners new run first philosophy

That'd be great if he was a 6th round pick. You don't want your first rd pick, the 6th of the draft to be a solid run blocker only.

On another note, Gruden just recomended Connor Barwin for Belichick. Jack of all trades stuff. Who knows.

[NoOneRunsFaster]

That'd be great if he was a 6th round pick. You don't want your first rd pick, the 6th of the draft to be a solid run blocker only.

On another note, Gruden just recomended Connor Barwin for Belichick. Jack of all trades stuff. Who knows.

I understand what your saying about not wanting your first rd pick to be only a blocking TE, but I think his lack of production receiving wise isn't a product of him blowing receiving oppourtunities. Our new O.C. has already said he wants to make Davis the focal point of the passing game.

But moving on, I really hope Detroit doesn't pick Stafford. Id hate to see him get sacked out of being a good qb. There's nothing sadder than watching a good young qb get his career ruined by poor offensive lineman

[J.C.]

Malcolm Jenkins didn't do himself any favors today.

[Smithers]

Malcolm Jenkins didn't do himself any favors today.
haha i came in here to put just that. we went to the same HS so i'm sort of rooting for him, but ouch.

that said, he still goes in the top 20 IMO.

[preppyak]

Malcolm Jenkins didn't do himself any favors today.
Probably gonna end up a safety, which might not be a bad thing...there are some teams that need a safety in those middle picks

[ntb60]

Malcolm Jenkins didn't do himself any favors today.

Jenkins will still be solid. I'd be stoked if he somehow slipped to the Pats. He'll come into the League with a major chip on his shoulder after all the bashing he's been taking. Heck, it seems most of the OSU players have been hit hard recently. Laurinaitis, Wells, Boone.

Mike Reiss of the globe is saying the Pats are potentially interested in Louis Delmas (http://www.boston.com/sports/football/patriots/reiss_pieces/2009/02/safety_first_1.html). If Jenkins is slipping, this guy is rising big time.

[bigmike]

Louis Delmas is a legit Safety prospect in this draft. Dude's a big hitter, but not exactly a burner at the position. He's wiry, but stronger than he looks. I'm not sure how good of a cover safety he is, however.

[Chris M.]

Delmas is probably the best safety prospect in the draft, or at least at FS. I like William Moore of Missouri at SS.

[ntb60]

Delmas is probably the best safety prospect in the draft, or at least at FS. I like William Moore of Missouri at SS.

All the buzz about Moore seems negative. He might turn out great but no one seems to hyped about him right now.

[Chris M.]

He was injured a lot the past season which is why scouts are turning on him. He has loads of talent and was once thought to be a 1st round pick. Some team in the 2nd or 3rd will get a steal out of him.

[mikeyxxcore]

The talk of the senior bowl was that most scouts saw him as a linebacker in the NFL and in the senior bowl himself Mayock was talking down about a few plays that he blew. I heard nothing about him from the combine, though.

[himynameisalan]

beanie wells!!!!!!!!!! and crabtree

[Clarett'sGreyGoose]

Probably gonna end up a safety, which might not be a bad thing...there are some teams that need a safety in those middle picks

Jenkins will still be solid. I'd be stoked if he somehow slipped to the Pats. He'll come into the League with a major chip on his shoulder after all the bashing he's been taking. Heck, it seems most of the OSU players have been hit hard recently. Laurinaitis, Wells, Boone.

Mike Reiss of the globe is saying the Pats are potentially interested in Louis Delmas (http://www.boston.com/sports/football/patriots/reiss_pieces/2009/02/safety_first_1.html). If Jenkins is slipping, this guy is rising big time.

Oh whats this? An Ohio State DB? Possible mid 1st round pick?

Might as well put him in a Bills uni already.:-d .....:-|

[Mibabalou]

detroit is screwed

[justbrett]

Broncos are going to get Sanchez (who fits in great with what McDaniels is looking to do) after trading Cutler. McDaniels then lets Sanchez fight Chris Simms for the starting job.

[gumpwumper]

am i the only person who still has faith in James Larinatis?

[Spicoli hey bud]

The last couple years draft day has been the biggest disappointment with the exception of Vernon Davis.

How has Vernon Davis not been a disappointment? Dude hasn't lived up to the hype at all.
Vernon isn't exactly in a system that will allow him to thrive. Add in his injuries, and you have his current situation. If you put him in a pass happy, multiple wide receiver offense, you would easily see 700+ yards and a bunch of TDs.

[NoOneRunsFaster]

Vernon isn't exactly in a system that will allow him to thrive. Add in his injuries, and you have his current situation. If you put him in a pass happy, multiple wide receiver offense, you would easily see 700+ yards and a bunch of TDs.

I know this was said last year, but they have re-stated this year that Davis is going to be a focal point for the passing attack. I hope they actually stick to it.

[about3fitty]

am i the only person who still has faith in James Larinatis?

to be honest i forgot he even existed. he is in this years draft?

[TEAMRAMROD]

to be honest i forgot he even existed. he is in this years draft?

How do you forget a guy who's neck is bigger than his head?

[J.C.]

Beanie Wells = Flo Rida?

[Clarett'sGreyGoose]

Beanie Wells = Flo Rida?
Haha I just Google imaged them. I can see it.

Also I hate it being this close to the draft and not having the slightest clue what the Bills will do at #11.

[Mibabalou]

Beanie Wells = Flo Rida?

lolz

u see him on first take he seems pretty nice

back 2 the draft i hope the jets get sanchez or a LB but im pretty sure were gonna take a WR

[mikeyxxcore]

So I'm going to be here at work 8am-8pm on the 25th and 26th, does anyone know of any site that'll have it streaming? I don't think NFL.com is doing a stream for it.

[Clarett'sGreyGoose]

Just check like ESPN or CBSSports or something. They have the draft trackers and they're updated very close to the actual selection or trade being made. It's not like they say anything worthwhile on the telecast anyways.

[mikeyxxcore]

thats what I was thinking of doing. that and following the draft thread, I guess. need something do for 12 hours, man. fucking bored.

[batmannj]

Just check like ESPN or CBSSports or something. They have the draft trackers and they're updated very close to the actual selection or trade being made. It's not like they say anything worthwhile on the telecast anyways.

haha so true. I can't stand listening to Mel Kiper.

[about3fitty]

ughhh. mel kiper

[jimjam32]

I wish the colts would go DT or LB like everyone expects -- but I bet they pick a wide receiver.

Hope that Mike Hart comes back strong from his injury -- losing Dominic Rhodes to the Bills really hurts. Plus Addai is pretty over-rated.

[FondestMemory]

Broncos are going to get Sanchez (who fits in great with what McDaniels is looking to do) after trading Cutler. McDaniels then lets Sanchez fight Chris Simms for the starting job.

broncos won't get sanchez. and orton will more than likely be the starter come week one.

[Srsly]

So I'm going to be here at work 8am-8pm on the 25th and 26th, does anyone know of any site that'll have it streaming? I don't think NFL.com is doing a stream for it.
They did last year or the year before, I remember watching it on there.

[mikeyxxcore]

awesome, hope so.

[preppyak]

broncos won't get sanchez. and orton will more than likely be the starter come week one.
Yeah...I'd put money on Kyle Orton starting...otherwise there is no reason to include him in that Cutler deal from Denver's perspective. The Bears would have kept him as a back-up (and a serviceable one), and then traded him if need be.

[preppyak]

btw...here are the trade charts from the last 5 years of drafts...who has moved up/down/etc. Nothing really stunning, but, one thing is for certain, and that is that the Bengals will be picking at #6

[Kaleidoscope]

Oakland getting a lineman. great.

[about3fitty]

Oakland getting a lineman. great.

why would someone in NJ care about the raiders? all raiders fans on this side of the country are douche bags. i hope that isnt the case with you?

[Kaleidoscope]

why would someone in NJ care about the raiders? all raiders fans on this side of the country are douche bags. i hope that isnt the case with you?

I don't think I'm a douche bag. My dad is a raiders fan so I just took over that pretty much. He likes all the teams that were good in the 70's/80's: Lakers, Reds, Raiders... I only took the Raiders from him though... I feel bad for him now. Besides the Lakers every season is pretty upsetting for him.

[about3fitty]

I don't think I'm a douche bag. My dad is a raiders fan so I just took over that pretty much. He likes all the teams that were good in the 70's/80's: Lakers, Reds, Raiders... I only took the Raiders from him though... I feel bad for him now. Besides the Lakers every season is pretty upsetting for him.

haha good to know. i just say that cause all the raiders fans i know around here are either rednecks who ride motorcycles and have a thousand tattoos (like my uncle) or know absolutely nothing about football and just talk shit on other teams even though the raiders are awful

[FondestMemory]

Yeah...I'd put money on Kyle Orton starting...otherwise there is no reason to include him in that Cutler deal from Denver's perspective. The Bears would have kept him as a back-up (and a serviceable one), and then traded him if need be.

especially considering orton was handpicked by mcdaniels.

washington, tampa and chicago all had the same offer on the table. was just a matter of mcdaniels picking between orton, campbell and mccown.

[preppyak]

especially considering orton was handpicked by mcdaniels.

washington, tampa and chicago all had the same offer on the table. was just a matter of mcdaniels picking between orton, campbell and mccown.
Haha, and when you see that list, I'd probably pick Orton too...I like Campbell, but Orton has shown a little bit more. I wouldn't want McCown

[preppyak]

ok, just found the most ridiculous pick of a mock-draft yet:

7. Oakland Raiders: Darrius Heyward-Bey, receiver, Maryland.

The rest of the mock was ok, which made that pick so absurd...that DHB would go before Maclin and go at #7 while Sanchez was still on the board just blew my mind. The thing is, if the Browns don't want Sanchez, I don't think any team would til San Fran, so the Packers may have the best pick in the draft in that scenario, because they can trade down some spots, still have their pick of defensive players, and grab other picks from a team who wants him

[FondestMemory]

ok, just found the most ridiculous pick of a mock-draft yet:



The rest of the mock was ok, which made that pick so absurd...that DHB would go before Maclin and go at #7 while Sanchez was still on the board just blew my mind. The thing is, if the Browns don't want Sanchez, I don't think any team would til San Fran, so the Packers may have the best pick in the draft in that scenario, because they can trade down some spots, still have their pick of defensive players, and grab other picks from a team who wants him

sanchez won't last til the niners.

if he falls past cleveland, he won't make it past 8. not sure who will pick him, but somebody will get him with the 8th pick.

how fucking awesome would saturday be if detroit comes out and takes sanchez first overall? that'd fuck all sorts of shit up.

[preppyak]

how fucking awesome would saturday be if detroit comes out and takes sanchez first overall? that'd fuck all sorts of shit up.They seem pretty locked on Stanford, but, if they took Sanchez, just wow. And how mad would Sanchez be to not be there and take the podium as the #1 pick. I think its actually gonna be a really interesting draft, I have no idea if people will trade up to the top 10 or not...there could be like 7 or 8 first round trades, or maybe 2

[about3fitty]

ok, just found the most ridiculous pick of a mock-draft yet:



The rest of the mock was ok, which made that pick so absurd...that DHB would go before Maclin and go at #7 while Sanchez was still on the board just blew my mind. The thing is, if the Browns don't want Sanchez, I don't think any team would til San Fran, so the Packers may have the best pick in the draft in that scenario, because they can trade down some spots, still have their pick of defensive players, and grab other picks from a team who wants him

i actually heard something about the raiders eyeing hayward-bay earlier today. i was just as surprised as you

[Chris M.]

ok, just found the most ridiculous pick of a mock-draft yet:



The rest of the mock was ok, which made that pick so absurd...that DHB would go before Maclin and go at #7 while Sanchez was still on the board just blew my mind. The thing is, if the Browns don't want Sanchez, I don't think any team would til San Fran, so the Packers may have the best pick in the draft in that scenario, because they can trade down some spots, still have their pick of defensive players, and grab other picks from a team who wants him

That pick has been mocked all kinds of places. I really don't think the Seahawks pick Crabtree anymore, so unless Cleveland takes him, he's there for Oakland and I don't believe Al Davis is THAT dumb to pass on him. Although guys like Mayock think otherwise.

[preppyak]

That pick has been mocked all kinds of places. I really don't think the Seahawks pick Crabtree anymore, so unless Cleveland takes him, he's there for Oakland and I don't believe Al Davis is THAT dumb to pass on him. Although guys like Mayock think otherwise.
There is a lot of talk that Maclin might go to the Raiders even if Crabtree was still there...that I could see, because Al Davis loves the speed guys...but then Crabtree would go 8th to the Jags and Heyward Bay would fall into the late teens or 20's. I just cannot comprehend Heyward Bay going ahead of Maclin or Crabtree...and certaintly not Sanchez, cause any team could trade down spots to a team that wants Sanchez and still grab DHB

[xbrokendownx]

i still have no idea who the dolphins are going to take or who they are targeting. obviously we need CB help but im not sure where theyre gonna go, its going to be interesting. i see a lot of mocks showing us taking a WR, but i just dont see that. with Ginn, Camarillo just getting a new contract, and the emergence of Bess, i dont think they need to use a 1st round pick on a WR

[glassjaw777]

detroit is screwed

if they don't draft stafford they aren't entirely screwed when speaking about the draft.

[glassjaw777]

espn is saying sanchez is the best qb in the draft. if detroit passes on stafford, i can see sanchez going at 4 to the seahawks and stafford dropping to somewhere in the teens.

[NoOneRunsFaster]

if they don't draft stafford they aren't entirely screwed when speaking about the draft.

I honestly think they'd be better off getting an o-lineman maybe going after Sam Bradford next year.

I can't imagine how productive Stafford is going to be on his back all year. Not to knock Stafford I actually do think he's the best QB in the draft. I really just don't want to see him sacked into oblivion.

[Mibabalou]

nahh im just saying as a franchise

[NoOneRunsFaster]

nahh im just saying as a franchise

You may be righjt. But I'm always an optimist when looking at underdogs, so I keep looking at it from the perspective of "they are guaranteed a quality pick this year, they probably won't win more than 5 games and that's another top 10 next year."

Good building blocks? I'm trying to find a silver lining smewhere.

[Mibabalou]

hahahah bad team is bad

[preppyak]

The Browns have all but crossed off Michael Crabtree as a candidate for the No. 5 overall pick, said a source.

The Texas Tech receiver brought a diva attitude on his visit to the club facility last week and did not impress coach Eric Mangini and others, the source said. In fact, Crabtree was described by some in the building as "not nice." After Crabtree left, Mangini secured last-minute workouts with borderline first-round receivers Hakeem Nicks of North Carolina, Kenny Britt of Rutgers and Mohamed Massaquoi of Georgia.
Apparently the smoke-screens and bluffing are in full effect already...

[preppyak]

Well, now the Rams can start negotiating with whoever they want with the 2nd pick
The Lions are close to agreeing on a deal with Georgia quarterback Matt Stafford to be the No. 1 overall pick.

Lions president Tom Lewand met with owner William Clay Ford for final approval earlier today, and the two sides could finalize a contract as soon as today.

[J.C.]

Hating that 4 PM EST starting time.

[preppyak]

Hating that 4 PM EST starting time.
I love it...we just got 2" of rain in the area and its supposed to be 80+ degrees on Saturday, so I am going kayaking, and I'll get back in time to make dinner, have a drink, and watch it start up

[glassjaw777]

reports say the lions have a deal set up with Curry. this is a seconday plan because they are working on contract negations with stafford. if the stafford deal falls through, Curry is their reassurance by at least having somebody that will play the 1st day of mini-camp.

[anamericangod]

Can't wait to see how absurd his deal is.

[FondestMemory]

I love it...we just got 2" of rain in the area and its supposed to be 80+ degrees on Saturday, so I am going kayaking, and I'll get back in time to make dinner, have a drink, and watch it start up

i hate it. i hate the shortened first round timd slots. and i hate that it's only rounds one and two on day one anymore.

fucking with the draft is my only real complaint with goodell so far. it doesn't have to be a primetime event.

i liked it being an all day saturday, all day sunday type thing.

[Clarett'sGreyGoose]

Can't wait to see how absurd his deal is.
I go into work at 4 Saturday. I already have my plan set. Walk in, put ESPN on, and then steal the batteries and hide the remote so that the redneck managers can't steal it and turn it to NASCAR or anything til I leave at 10.

[glassjaw777]

Can't wait to see how absurd his deal is.

they are projecting 75 million with 40 million guaranteed. matt ryan had 35 million guaranteed at 3rd overall last year.

[Clarett'sGreyGoose]

i hate it. i hate the shortened first round timd slots. and i hate that it's only rounds one and two on day one anymore.

fucking with the draft is my only real complaint with goodell so far. it doesn't have to be a primetime event.

i liked it being an all day saturday, all day sunday type thing.
You liked 6 1/2 hour 1st rounds? I don't mind the shortened time slots. Not a huge fan of the primetime thing though.

[anamericangod]

they are projecting 75 million with 40 million guaranteed. matt ryan had 35 million guaranteed at 3rd overall last year.

The sooner a rookie pay scale comes into play, the better.

[FondestMemory]

You liked 6 1/2 hour 1st rounds? I don't mind the shortened time slots. Not a huge fan of the primetime thing though.

i didn't hate it. i loved waking up draft day and starting early in the morning. i loved watching all day, going to bed, and doing the same all over again on sunday.

i just think fucking with it was stupid. the draft is for the teams, not the fans.

[preppyak]

reports say the lions have a deal set up with Curry. this is a seconday plan because they are working on contract negations with stafford. if the stafford deal falls through, Curry is their reassurance by at least having somebody that will play the 1st day of mini-camp.
Curry has said he play for less than Jake Long got last year (5/$57.5 w $30 guaranteed) if they made him the first pick...so I imagine the Curry deal looks like 5/55/27ish...but, he will do that because he is well aware that if he falls past 3 or 4, he might only get 2/3 of that kind of a deal
i hate it. i hate the shortened first round timd slots. and i hate that it's only rounds one and two on day one anymore.

fucking with the draft is my only real complaint with goodell so far. it doesn't have to be a primetime event.

i liked it being an all day saturday, all day sunday type thing.
In a normal weekend, or even a rainy weekend, I'd agree with you...but when its gonna be 80 out, and its April, and its supposed to be the most beautiful weekend ever, I like having that outside time and still not miss a minute.

I don't like that Round 3 got moved though

[preppyak]

they are projecting 75 million with 40 million guaranteed. matt ryan had 35 million guaranteed at 3rd overall last year.
Which makes the Curry deal, if true that he would play for less, a nearly $20 million savings...that kind of money will sign EVERY other pick they take on Sunday plus some undrafted players
The sooner a rookie pay scale comes into play, the better.
Yep

[Clarett'sGreyGoose]

i didn't hate it. i loved waking up draft day and starting early in the morning. i loved watching all day, going to bed, and doing the same all over again on sunday.

i just think fucking with it was stupid. the draft is for the teams, not the fans.
i think 10 minutes is more than enough time though. if you can't field offers from other teams/decide who you want to take in 10 minutes, you've really got your thumbs up your asses.

from the other side of the ball, if you're the team offering for a pick, if you can't pull your shit together and offer your best deal in 5 less minutes, well then you're just wasting everyone's time and didn't deserve the pick anyways.

[NoOneRunsFaster]

I love it...we just got 2" of rain in the area and its supposed to be 80+ degrees on Saturday, so I am going kayaking, and I'll get back in time to make dinner, have a drink, and watch it start up

I'm in the same position minus the rain. Me and a bunch of dudes from work set up a wiffle ball tournament in the morning, then its draft time after that.

I agree with all the complaints about moving round three. I would think the shortened pick deadlines make it easier to have 3 rds on day one.

[preppyak]

I'm in the same position minus the rain. Me and a bunch of dudes from work set up a wiffle ball tournament in the morning, then its draft time after that.

I agree with all the complaints about moving round three. I would think the shortened pick deadlines make it easier to have 3 rds on day one.
Well...with 10 minute picks, the first round will still theoretically take about 4 1/2 to 5 hours (9pm), the 2nd round will take 2ish hours (11pm), if they kept the 3rd round, nobody would be watching it til 1am.

That said, even though the Sunday picks tend to fly faster, that might be a long day of picks of guys we've never heard of before

[NoOneRunsFaster]

Well...with 10 minute picks, the first round will still theoretically take about 4 1/2 to 5 hours (9pm), the 2nd round will take 2ish hours (11pm), if they kept the 3rd round, nobody would be watching it til 1am.

That said, even though the Sunday picks tend to fly faster, that might be a long day of picks of guys we've never heard of before

I see where your at with the day 1 time setup. I guess being on the west coast makes it easier for me to sit through all that late night goodness

[mht]

I hope the Lions take Curry so the Chiefs don't have to. But it's my wet dream.

[J.C.]

I think we're going to trade back. We want the Lions to take Stafford if that's the case though. We lose our leverage if both QBs are still sitting there. Having just Sanchez on the board at #3 increases our chances for a bidding war.

We're helped out by the fact Seattle and Cleveland have been getting tied to Sanchez recently too. I like our spot.

[glassjaw777]

I hope the Lions take Curry so the Chiefs don't have to. But it's my wet dream.

why wouldn't you want to have curry? they say he's the best incoming LB prospect for over 10 years.

[mht]

why wouldn't you want to have curry? they say he's the best incoming LB prospect for over 10 years.


well for 40 million I sure hope he comes wrapped in chocolate and does everything but fly.

[Scott Weber]

curry is referred to as the next LT by some scouts. i'd blow my load if he fell to seattle.

[FondestMemory]

curry is gonna be a fucking beast.

[TEAMRAMROD]

why wouldn't you want to have curry? they say he's the best incoming LB prospect for over 10 years.
Who said that? I was more impressed with Patrick Willis coming out of college than what I've seen so far with Curry.

[S/T]

Willis is already a freak, but Curry could be just as good.

[TEAMRAMROD]

Willis is already a freak, but Curry could be just as good.
I guess time will tell, right?

In other news, the Bucs apparently might still be interested in Freeman. I really hope that's not the case as we should be fine with McCown/Leftwich for the year and we focus on rebuilding the defense this season.

[preppyak]

Aaron Curry may be the #1 pick after all
According to a league source, the Lions expect Stafford's agent, Tom Condon, to see if he can get a better deal with another team a slot or two lower than the Lions. Remember, last year Condon got a better contract for quarterback Matt Ryan ($34.75 million guaranteed), who was the third overall pick, than tackle Jake Long received as the first pick ($30 million guaranteed).


The Lions already have come to terms on a deal with Wake Forest linebacker Aaron Curry, but the Lions are waiting to see if their No. 1 target -- Georgia quarterback Matthew Stafford -- will agree to a contract prior the start of the draft at 4 p.m. Saturday.
The Lions may actually be smarter than I thought...they are low-balling Stafford (trying to get a reasonable deal) by using the fact that they are 100% comfortable with Curry as the #1 pick as well. And with Curry bringing the 12yr old kid to the draft with him, and having a sick combine workout, he may be the story of the draft if he goes #1

[Scott Weber]

The Lions would be much smarter to take Curry.

[jimjam32]

I hope curry goes to detroit. I'm no lions fan by any means, but damn that city needs something to go right for them. I'm not sold on any QBs in this draft.

i think if any QB comes out of this draft to be a good player -- it will be someone that no one is talking about. a 3rdround pick or later probably.

[jimjam32]

curry is referred to as the next LT by some scouts. i'd blow my load if he fell to seattle.
he will never measure up to the boz
http://sportsillustrated.cnn.com/football/nfl/news/2001/03/20/sayitaintso_seahawks/bosworth_all.jpg

[xbrokendownx]

anyone got anything on Everette Brown, OLB from florida state? ive seen a few mocks with the dolphins taking him and dont know much about him

[glassjaw777]

Who said that? I was more impressed with Patrick Willis coming out of college than what I've seen so far with Curry.

curry is the fastest lb in the draft (4.52 40), perfect size (6'2 255). i quite honestly have not seen him play or anything but i hear he's the safest pick in the draft. the lions need that due to having awful drafts in the past 8 years. i just can't see a lb making 1st overall $$$.

[glassjaw777]

I hope curry goes to detroit. I'm no lions fan by any means, but damn that city needs something to go right for them. I'm not sold on any QBs in this draft.

i think if any QB comes out of this draft to be a good player -- it will be someone that no one is talking about. a 3rdround pick or later probably.

THANK YOU! Draft Bradford with a top 5 pick next year!!

[preppyak]

i think if any QB comes out of this draft to be a good player -- it will be someone that no one is talking about. a 3rdround pick or later probably.
Rhett Bomar or Nate Davis...Bomar may go in the 4th, Davis probably not til the 5th or 6th, and those are steals as I consider them as useful as Josh Freeman

[Chris M.]

I'd take Stephen McGee over both of them. I think he'll be the QB steal of this draft. Bomar could be good, but I'm not counting on Davis to do anything of substance in the NFL do to his learning disability.

[glassjaw777]

With the first pick of the 2009 NFL Draft, the Detroit Lions select Matthew Stafford quarterback from Georgia!

[Clarett'sGreyGoose]

Mort reporting Jason Smith will go #2

[mht]

if we take Tyson Jackson at 3 I might have to start cheering for a new team.

[J.C.]

Was worried the Rams were gonna pull a fast one and nab Sanchez.

[mht]

Was worried the Rams were gonna pull a fast one and nab Sanchez.


they absolutely need to take a lineman. they have nothing to block anything. I hope we shop LJ/Waters today, I will be very happy.

[Until The Bombs]

So where are the bets currently placed for who the Eagles are gonna take?

[FondestMemory]

So where are the bets currently placed for who the Eagles are gonna take?

consensus seems to be knowshon.

[Until The Bombs]

consensus seems to be knowshon.

Hmm... Don't know enough about him, but excited by the prospects of teaming a younger back with Westbrook.

[Ben09]

Stafford is signed. I'll be fucking pissed if the NFL spends even 5 minutes making the announcement.

[Dirty Ernie]

Didn't this used to start at noon? They will be there all night if they start at 4.

[mht]

Didn't this used to start at noon? They will be there all night if they start at 4.


isn't it only rounds 1 and 2 on day 1 now?

[FondestMemory]

Stafford is signed. I'll be fucking pissed if the NFL spends even 5 minutes making the announcement.

it's not the nfl, it's up to the lions. if the lions hand in the pick right away, it gets announced. but there's nothing saying they can't use up the entire time allotted.

Didn't this used to start at noon? They will be there all night if they start at 4.

it used to start at like 11 or noon. this year they changed it to 4 though, trying to make it more of a primetime event.

last year they cut the time down from 15 minutes to 10, and it did seem to make it go faster. plus they moved the third round to day two. the time goes way down in round two as well.

so there's only 64 picks today. it'll take a while, but not nearly as long as it used to.

isn't it only rounds 1 and 2 on day 1 now?

yes.

[FondestMemory]

Hmm... Don't know enough about him, but excited by the prospects of teaming a younger back with Westbrook.

he's dynamic, explosive and a playmaker.

to me, a back like beanie wells makes more sense. they need somebody who can pound up the middle and gain a yard when needed.

knowshon is very similar to westbrook. and if they wanted a backup similar to westbrook, they already had one until they let buckhalter go.

he's more than likely being viewed as the heir apparent to westbrook though. but still, they have other needs that i would think are a higher priority.

[Chris M.]

Just posting this here so I can keep track of it instead of going back and forth between this and the NFL thread.

Round One
1. Detroit Lions: Matt Stafford, QB Georgia
2. St. Louis Rams: Jason Smith, OT Baylor
3. Kansas City Chiefs: Aaron Curry, ILB Wake Forest
4. Seattle Seahawks: Eugene Monroe, OT Virginia
5. Cleveland Browns: Brian Orakpo, DE/OLB Texas
6. Cincinnati Bengals: Andre Smith, OT Alabama
7. Oakland Raiders: Michael Crabtree, WR Texas Tech
8. Jacksonville Jaguars: Mark Sanchez, QB USC
9. Green Bay Packers: Tyson Jackson, DE LSU
10. San Francisco 49ers: Michael Oher, OT Ole Miss
11. Buffalo Bills: Everette Brown, DE/OLB Florida State
12. Denver Broncos: B.J. Raji, DT/NT Boston College
13. Washington Redskins: Michael Johnson, DE Georgia Tech
14. New Orleans Saints: Chris Wells, RB Ohio State
15. Houston Texans: Malcolm Jenkins, FS Ohio State
16. San Diego Chargers: Eben Britton, OT Arizona
17. New York Jets: Josh Freeman, QB Kansas State
18. Denver Broncos: Rey Maualuga, ILB USC
19. Tampa Bay Buccaneers: Darius Butler, CB Connecticut
20. Detroit Lions: William Beatty, OT Connecticut
21. Philadelphia Eagles: Knowshon Moreno, RB Georgia
22. Minnesota Vikings: Vontae Davis, CB Illinois
23. New England Patriots: Aaron Maybin, DE/OLB Penn State
24. Atlanta Falcons: Clay Matthews, OLB USC
25. Miami Dolphins: Brian Cushing, OLB USC
26. Baltimore Ravens: Jeremy Maclin, WR Missouri
27. Indianapolis Colts: Peria Jerry, DT Ole Miss
28. Buffalo Bills: Brandon Pettigrew, TE Oklahoma State
29. New York Giants: Kenny Britt, WR Rutgers
30. Tennessee Titans: Darrius Heyward-Bey, WR Maryland
31. Arizona Cardinals: Donald Brown, RB Connecticut
32. Pittsburgh Steelers: Alex Mack, C California

Round Two
33. Detroit Lions: James Laurinaitis, ILB Ohio State
34. New England Patriots: Sean Smith, S/CB Utah
35. St. Louis Rams: Robert Ayers, DE Tennessee
36. Cleveland Browns: LeSean McCoy, RB Pittsburgh
37. Seattle Seahawks: Patrick Chung, SS Oregon
38. Cincinnati Bengals: Paul Kruger, DE Utah
39. Jacksonville Jaguars: Evander Hood, DT Missouri
40. Oakland Raiders: Rashad Johnson, FS Alabama
41. Green Bay Packers: Larry English, DE/OLB Northern Illinois
42. Buffalo Bills: Phil Loadholt, OT Oklahoma
43. San Francisco 49ers: Clint Sintim, DE/OLB Virginia
44. Miami Dolphins: Hakeem Nicks, WR North Carolina
45. New York Giants: William Moore, SS Missouri
46. Houston Texans: Connor Barwin, DE/OLB Cincinnati
47. New England Patriots: Jarron Gilbert, DE San Jose State
48. Denver Broncos: Ron Brace, NT Boston College
49. Chicago Bears: Brian Robiskie, WR Ohio State
50. Cleveland Browns: Louis Delmas, FS Western Michigan
51. Dallas Cowboys: Pat White, QB/WR West Virginia
52. Philadelphia Eagles: Eric Wood, C Louisville
53. New York Jets: Percy Harvin, WR Florida
54. Minnesota Vikings: Gerald Cadogan, OT Penn State
55. Atlanta Falcons: Alphonso Smith, CB Wake Forest
56. Miami Dolphins: Victor Harris, CB Virginia Tech
57. Baltimore Ravens: Fili Moala, DE USC
58. New England Patriots: Jamon Meredith, OT South Carolina
59. Carolina Panthers: D.J. Moore, CB Vanderbilt
60. New York Giants: Tyrone McKenzie, OLB South Florida
61. Indianapolis Colts: Juaquin Iglesias, WR Oklahoma
62. Tennessee Titans: Lawrence Sidbury, DE Richmond
63. Arizona Cardinals: Max Unger, C/G Oregon
64. Pittsburgh Steelers: Kevin Barnes, CB Maryland

[FondestMemory]

if ayers is there at 32, the steelers will jump at that.

i would fucking love it if he fell that far. that dude's gonna be great.

[anamericangod]

Some of these War Room bits are dumb as hell. "This is the phone they will use to make their picks. This is the chair they will sit in. Behind this curtain, there is a draft board."

Starting this at 4pm was terrible, there is so much useless filler right now.

[Drew Beringer]

So are we going to post about the draft here or the NFL thread?

[J.C.]

Here I spose.

[Chris M.]

Chiefs are now apparently on the clock? Did the Rams skip their selection?

[Chris M.]

never mind, here comes Goodell.

[J.C.]

The Lambs take Jason Smith.

Fingers crossed for a trade down here.

[mcfly21]

please let curry fall to the browns. please

[Drew Beringer]

hahaha Dennis Green commercial

[Ben09]

Glad Sanchez didn't go to the Rams.

[Chris M.]

Sucks that Schefter isn't doing the draft for NFLN this year. Last year he was breaking all the news way ahead of ESPN.

[mht]

let's not pretend Herm the Germ is still there.

[preppyak]

hahah. I think Herm wanted to hit him for that question "imagine you were still the coach for this team"

And Steve Young first to the "he loves playing the game" cliche

[Chris M.]

Is everyone here watching it on ESPN?

[mcfly21]

calm down steve....

[Drew Beringer]

TYSON JACKSON!

wow

[Chris M.]

Good one Pioli...

[Drew Beringer]

Is everyone here watching it on ESPN?
I am.

[mht]

that's it. I need a new team to cheer for. Fuck this team. I'm going to check Chiefs Planet because I bet it's exploding right now.

[mcfly21]

1 more team..... please let curry fall

[J.C.]

Shit.

[preppyak]

Sucks that Schefter isn't doing the draft for NFLN this year. Last year he was breaking all the news way ahead of ESPN.Well, he will be working for ESPN shortly...I think in August, so they are using this to build their future.

And I still think Jackson is a reach, especially since he was MAYBE a top 10 pick last week, but Pioli knows his shit

[Drew Beringer]

Do the Seahawks snap up Curry here?

[Chris M.]

Is Pioli purposely trying to ruin KC?

"Hey guys, let's switch to a 3-4 defense when we don't have the personnel. Then we can trade our 2nd round pick for a QB who's not much better than our current one. Then at the draft we can take a guy who's not worth the 3rd overall pick."

[preppyak]

Do the Seahawks snap up Curry here?
its the smart move...he's gonna be real nasty

[anamericangod]

if we take Tyson Jackson at 3 I might have to start cheering for a new team.

that's it. I need a new team to cheer for. Fuck this team. I'm going to check Chiefs Planet because I bet it's exploding right now.

:sadangel:

[Scott Weber]

Hawks gotta go Curry here. If they go Sanchez, it's to be traded. If they go Monroe, I think it's a mistake - not because he isn't good, but because there's too much value on the board.

[mht]

They couldn't have traded down to get him? Honestly, a reach over Curry? Even I know Curry is going to be the better pro. I even think Orakpo is going to be better than Jackson. I knew with them signing these over the hill LB's to play the middle they were going to make them pass on Curry. fuck.

[preppyak]

Is Pioli purposely trying to ruin KC?

"Hey guys, let's switch to a 3-4 defense when we don't have the personnel. Then we can trade our 2nd round pick for a QB who's not much better than our current one. Then at the draft we can take a guy who's not worth the 3rd overall pick."
Yes, but he's got several more years in that system, and that instantly makes him 10x more qualified than Thigpen. Its not accidental that the Pats didn't go get a vet QB...they felt their system needed more than a few weeks to learn

[Chris M.]

Well, he will be working for ESPN shortly...I think in August, so they are using this to build their future.

And I still think Jackson is a reach, especially since he was MAYBE a top 10 pick last week, but Pioli knows his shit

Yeah, I know that. I'm just a fan of Schefter and I'd like to see him involved on tv for the draft in some way. Especially since he's probably the best "insider" in the business.

And Pioli is sorta overrated. His last few years with New England he made A LOT of questionable picks.

[Justin_stacy]

Is Pioli purposely trying to ruin KC?

"Hey guys, let's switch to a 3-4 defense when we don't have the personnel. Then we can trade our 2nd round pick for a QB who's not much better than our current one. Then at the draft we can take a guy who's not worth the 3rd overall pick."

not sure one could make a more honest comment.

[mcfly21]

i dont get the radji to browns rumors, the have rodgers

[Chris M.]

Yes, but he's got several more years in that system, and that instantly makes him 10x more qualified than Thigpen. Its not accidental that the Pats didn't go get a vet QB...they felt their system needed more than a few weeks to learn

Several more years in a system where he sat on the bench the whole time. Cassel is not a huge upgrade over Thigpen. Over a full season in that type of offense, they'd put up pretty similar numbers.

[preppyak]

they'd move rodgers outside i believe

[J.C.]

I don't hate Jackson, but I absolutely hate the value at #3.

[mcfly21]

crap

[Drew Beringer]

Great pick for Seattle.

[Scott Weber]

yes!!!!!!!!!!!!!

[Drew Beringer]

Raji at number 5 here? I wouldn't be surprised.