when did u become a judgemental musical snob

[brwnhawaiin]

I see it here all the time, as everyone else probably has. Someone likes a band like Aiden, or From First To Last, or Nickelback, and they get ripped apart because their musical taste isnt the same as someone elses. I admit it myself, i hate those bands, and tons of stuff that is forcefed down the masses throats on the radio. But everyone here probably started off off listening to music like that, and then slowly finding out new music, that makes that music seem simple and unpassionate. I remember i used to like that song by Nickelback "how you remind me". I was very young, and didnt have much musical maturity, but if i were to come to a place like this now, claiming to love a new nickeback song, i would get no respect, and be torn apart. It wasnt until i was about 16, that i started listening to stuff that wasnt on the radio, ive noticed that i myself have become a musical snob, looking down on ppl that dont listen to "good" music (im 24 now). Its happened slowly over the past 2 years, and i dont like it, but its so hard not to do it. Im not mean about it like lots of others are here, but i have it. When have all of u become musical snobs?

[theguy77]

it's not being a musical snob to voice your opinion. for the most part people will say "those bands suck" as opposed to something like "YOUR music taste sucks", its usually not made into a personal attack on the person unless they say something ignorant, like the beatles being overrated because they themselves dont care for the sounde (you hear that one a lot from scene kids)

[Heart-A-Tact]

People listen to what they listen to. Doesn't normally bother me.

[IWasaCamera]

You like The Used, you're not allowed to be a snob according to the handbook.

[brwnhawaiin]

You like The Used, you're not allowed to be a snob according to the handbook.


lol, i havnt updated since its creation years ago. I still do like the used though, their first cd..nothin and some songs off the second. everything..id say is crap. like i said before, in the past 2 years, my taste in music has changed dramattically, making me more snobby, and i dont like me being a snobby music person. i try to not do it.


i changed it, ive been wanting to do that for a while.

[IWasaCamera]

There's no harm in having discerning taste where music is concerned. It often promotes discussion which is sorely lacking on this forum and at the end of the day, everyone should realize it's all in good fun.

[chipdip18]

There's no harm in having discerning taste where music is concerned. It often promotes discussion which is sorely lacking on this forum and at the end of the day, everyone should realize it's all in good fun.

If only people could take that as musical discussion. Maybe in a perfect world.

[Dre Okorley]

My opinion: I don't have to listen to your shitty bands.

[RamInGoreville]

How about you just listen to whatever you want...and not care what people on an internet forum think about you and your shitty sense of music.

[Regards]

There's no harm in having discerning taste where music is concerned. It often promotes discussion which is sorely lacking on this forum and at the end of the day, everyone should realize it's all in good fun.
This is exactly what everybody should realize when posting on these forums. Every part of that post.

[Chromefox]

I don't have a problem with people disliking the music I listen to, frowning on my taste, and voicing their opinions on it, but I do have a problem with people who feel that I do not deserve their respect because of my taste.

[polarbearsummer]

since my girlfriend called me one.

[Carlo Marx]

i'm an asshole.

[TheOtherAndrew]

Junior year of high school.

[micahistheballs]

Vinh is a wise man.

[Chancetobe]

Rather recently. But I much prefer the term "elitist." Rolls off the tounge far easier than "judge mental musical snob."

[llwilliamsll]

Ever since I put on tight pants

[SickOfStars]

I'm not. I don't think anyone really has the right to be.

However, one should be able to not like bands. Not liking bands and saying you don't is perfectly okay. Personal attacks based on musical preference are not. If someone is an asshole, then yeah, they may get a loaded response involving All Time Low or whatnot back, but that's their fault for being an asshole in the first place. It's basically the gospel of "don't be a dick to anyone for unimportant things."

Without being able to dislike music, we'd all be the equivalent of that weird little extra in the mall in a Christmas story, blankly staring at each other, saying "I li--ke the wizard of oz...." If you ask me, that's pretty fucking bleak.

[Poe-tryGirl]

I became one when I joined AP.net

[DejaNew]

Personally, I think there's nothing worse than a "music snob" bashing everyone else's music. Honestly, who feels the need to bash other people's interests in music? Does it make them feel better about their own? There are always going to be haters of every band and every type of music, everyone has a completely different taste. That's why there are so many different types. To say that mainstream bands have no talent is complete bullshit, because even though I don't like most mainstream shit, I do respect most of it. It's not easy making music, and it's even harder to make your band well-known. Yeah, I don't enjoy Nickelback, and yeah, they're not as talented musically than Thrice, but they definitely are more talented in the sense of selling themselves. People seem to forget the fact that to make money, you have to sell yourself. The other thing we seem to forget is if other people think the same thing about us. For example, I tell somebody, "Your taste in music sucks because you like Metro Station", and on the other hand they are saying the same thing about me because I like Brand New. I completely agree with the opinion of being able to dislike music, because I dislike a lot of music, but bashing somebody's taste in music is pretty fucking low.

[thespearkid]

When I first listened to In the Aeroplane Over the Sea.

[chipdip18]

I'm not. I don't think anyone really has the right to be.

However, one should be able to not like bands. Not liking bands and saying you don't is perfectly okay. Personal attacks based on musical preference are not. If someone is an asshole, then yeah, they may get a loaded response involving All Time Low or whatnot back, but that's their fault for being an asshole in the first place. It's basically the gospel of "don't be a dick to anyone for unimportant things."

Without being able to dislike music, we'd all be the equivalent of that weird little extra in the mall in a Christmas story, blankly staring at each other, saying "I li--ke the wizard of oz...." If you ask me, that's pretty fucking bleak.


Man i love your posts.

I probably would be considered an elitist over the summer. That's when i started getting into other genres (Funk, Ska, Reggae, World, Hawai'ian)

[El_Jeffe]

i see music as an ongoing journey of emotions fueled by passion, down many endless paths, that no map can ever trace. art is defined by its imperfections, & we all interpret those imperfections differently, relating them to our own thoughts & experiences. all of which are uniquely ours, & no "rules" or "boundaries" should ever apply

i'm always up to discuss music, & see no problem having a difference of opinions (hell, hardly anyone here ever agrees with me haha). but the "bashing" of musical tastes... well, it’s not for me


& to the bloke above talking about mainstream bands & "selling yourself". i think van morrison said it best, simply put: "music is spiritual. the music business is not"

[Dre Okorley]

i see music as an ongoing journey of emotions fueled by passion, down many endless paths, that no map can ever trace. art is defined by its imperfections, & we all interpret those imperfections differently, relating them to our own thoughts & experiences. all of which are uniquely ours, & no "rules" or "boundaries" should ever apply

i'm always up to discuss music, & see no problem having a difference of opinions (hell, hardly anyone here ever agrees with me haha). but the "bashing" of musical tastes... well, it’s not for me


& to the bloke above talking about mainstream bands & "selling yourself". i think van morrison said it best, simply put: "music is spiritual. the music business is not"

L!!! :wave:

[Jet Set Paul]

Ever since I stumbled across pitchforkmedia.com

[Robototron]

Ever since I realized that Pitchfork Media sucks.

[Machu505]

Ever since I first logged onto absolutepunk.net.

[brwnhawaiin]

yea, even though theres certain music i dont like, i can usually respect the musicians for what they do. Ive also never been mean to someone or bash them, its more something that i think in my head, and when i started to think it, i think that i may have started to come off as snobby, and i dont ever want to be that snobby music person.

[VampiresRevenge]

Personally, I think there's nothing worse than a "music snob" bashing everyone else's music. Honestly, who feels the need to bash other people's interests in music? Does it make them feel better about their own? There are always going to be haters of every band and every type of music, everyone has a completely different taste. That's why there are so many different types. To say that mainstream bands have no talent is complete bullshit, because even though I don't like most mainstream shit, I do respect most of it. It's not easy making music, and it's even harder to make your band well-known. Yeah, I don't enjoy Nickelback, and yeah, they're not as talented musically than Thrice, but they definitely are more talented in the sense of selling themselves. People seem to forget the fact that to make money, you have to sell yourself. The other thing we seem to forget is if other people think the same thing about us. For example, I tell somebody, "Your taste in music sucks because you like Metro Station", and on the other hand they are saying the same thing about me because I like Brand New. I completely agree with the opinion of being able to dislike music, because I dislike a lot of music, but bashing somebody's taste in music is pretty fucking low.
I agree completely.

[x togepi x]

You should bash the fuck out of bands.
You should bash the fuck out of people that listen to shitty music.

Forced politeness is boring as shit, and it's all in good fun anyway. I am more inclined to want to talk to people who say "man, your band is fucking awful. do you know how to play your instrument?" than i am to some random person who's like OMG YOU GUYS RULE while they have fall out boy tattoos (this has happened).

[theguy77]

I'm not. I don't think anyone really has the right to be.

However, one should be able to not like bands. Not liking bands and saying you don't is perfectly okay. Personal attacks based on musical preference are not. If someone is an asshole, then yeah, they may get a loaded response involving All Time Low or whatnot back, but that's their fault for being an asshole in the first place. It's basically the gospel of "don't be a dick to anyone for unimportant things."

Without being able to dislike music, we'd all be the equivalent of that weird little extra in the mall in a Christmas story, blankly staring at each other, saying "I li--ke the wizard of oz...." If you ask me, that's pretty fucking bleak.

i call plagiarism ;-)

but no you have a way of being able to say it better than i can.

Personally, I think there's nothing worse than a "music snob" bashing everyone else's music. Honestly, who feels the need to bash other people's interests in music? Does it make them feel better about their own? There are always going to be haters of every band and every type of music, everyone has a completely different taste. That's why there are so many different types. To say that mainstream bands have no talent is complete bullshit, because even though I don't like most mainstream shit, I do respect most of it. It's not easy making music, and it's even harder to make your band well-known. Yeah, I don't enjoy Nickelback, and yeah, they're not as talented musically than Thrice, but they definitely are more talented in the sense of selling themselves. People seem to forget the fact that to make money, you have to sell yourself. The other thing we seem to forget is if other people think the same thing about us. For example, I tell somebody, "Your taste in music sucks because you like Metro Station", and on the other hand they are saying the same thing about me because I like Brand New. I completely agree with the opinion of being able to dislike music, because I dislike a lot of music, but bashing somebody's taste in music is pretty fucking low.

actually in a lot of cases its not that hard to sell yourself because often times the label will do it for you, they'll set you up with a producer to tweak your sound and promo photo shoots with fashion designers and shit to tweak your image. bands like nickelback just got lucky because they were chosen out of a million other generic rock bands that could have been chosen. anyone with two years experience writing songs on a guitar could write what chad kroeger is writing.

[theguy77]

You should bash the fuck out of bands.
You should bash the fuck out of people that listen to shitty music.

Forced politeness is boring as shit, and it's all in good fun anyway. I am more inclined to want to talk to people who say "man, your band is fucking awful. do you know how to play your instrument?" than i am to some random person who's like OMG YOU GUYS RULE while they have fall out boy tattoos (this has happened).

hahaha, no surprises here. i started checking my watch around post #16.

[El_Jeffe]

L!!! :wave:

gidday mate. always glad to see ya round these boards, how's things?

yea, even though theres certain music i dont like, i can usually respect the musicians for what they do. Ive also never been mean to someone or bash them, its more something that i think in my head, and when i started to think it, i think that i may have started to come off as snobby, and i dont ever want to be that snobby music person.

i think what is required most to appreciate any art is an open mind. there's always going to be bands, genres, musical movements that we're just not going to personally enjoy. but never let it stop you from checking out a wide range of music from all over the musical realm. our minds all soak in different things in different ways mate, but if we never explore, then we will never discover...

[Dre Okorley]

Lol xtogepix. Listen to the man, he speaks truth.

[x togepi x]

Disagree. Photograph and Rockstar are uber catchy songs. Please show me other bands writing songs that catchy in that vein.

they're still fucking terrible songs.

[x togepi x]

actually in a lot of cases its not that hard to sell yourself because often times the label will do it for you, they'll set you up with a producer to tweak your sound and promo photo shoots with fashion designers and shit to tweak your image. bands like nickelback just got lucky because they were chosen out of a million other generic rock bands that could have been chosen. anyone with two years experience writing songs on a guitar could write what chad kroeger is writing.

that isn't true. you still have to sell yourself to a record label before being signed which takes some work.

[theguy77]

Disagree. Photograph and Rockstar are uber catchy songs. Please show me other bands writing songs that catchy in that vein.

it is not hard at all to write something catchy if you're putting all your energy into that without any focus on the intelligibility of the music. hell most top 40 radio today does it by using a chord progression of I, V, VI, IV in triad form, its a pretty fucking simple formula and the melodies are quite similar as well. i could name 10 songs off the top of my head im sure that have used this in the past year.

[LamarVannoy]

since i joined this site.

im not trying to be funny, im dead serious. its become a bit of a problem.

[Dre Okorley]

it is not hard at all to write something catchy if you're putting all your energy into that without any focus on the intelligibility of the music.

Some people don't have this talent, no matter how hard they try.

[trappedintime]

It's just the freakin' internet. If people seriously get offended by how someone else feels about a band, then they seriously need some help. At the end of the day, it's what you think about the music, not what anyone else thinks. If you like the band, support them no matter what.

[theguy77]

Some people don't have this talent, no matter how hard they try.

true but its still nowhere near as exclusive as people make it seem.

[Dre Okorley]

gidday mate. always glad to see ya round these boards, how's things?


Pretty good babe. Same to you. Well...I lie, I'm actually stuffing envelopes in an office. At least it's not "real work".

I agree about the open mind part. For example, when I went through a "ska phase", I would only listen to ska. And everyone else was crazy. With punk, nothing but punk. And nothing else mattered. With hardcore, nothing but hardcore. And everyone else's tastes sucked.

Now (and sometimes I think that comes with either growing older or growing tired of listening to music in one dimension) I listen to a variety, and get shit for it every now and then, or just laughs because people don't undertsand how someone who loves American Nightmare and Refused can listen to Bayside and Hit The Lights at the same time. But the "shit" I get doesn't bother me, because it also makes me grow as a musician. That's what I think is most important especially if you're a musician. Not to just listen to one thing. Kudos to those who do, though. I just felt that my mind needed to be free and open to all the sounds available out there. After all, the word is "music". How can you claim to be a lover of music, while simply sitting in your box shutting out other styles or sounds? I may be going on a tangent here, but I think I have a point. It's also socially gratifying. One can adapt within different communities and circles without feeling awkward or hateful towards someone else because there's a difference in opinion or band taste.

However, I do thin kthere's a difference between actually giving the songs a try and disliking them, as a opposed to ignoring it completely. And of course, there are shitty experiences one may have concerning bands, their lyrics, the fans, etc. which turn them off to being receptive later on. And that's why I dont go to shows but like once every year or so, hahaha.

[andrewa5]

I agree with you man!

[c_rob2700]

Usually two things happen to n00bs when they post here with shitty music taste and get bashed.

1.) They get pissed and start ranting around and calling everyone with a bold name an "elitist snob" and eventually end up stop posting and continue to live there lives with shitty music taste.

2.) They get their music tastes shat on, and decide that maybe they should expand their music taste and start taking recs from the people who know a ton more than they do. They then start to delete bits and pieces of their old music taste and eventually end up expanding/improving their musical vision.


I took option two and i've gained a shit load of good music. So basically, shut the fuck up or actually try and grow

[VampiresRevenge]

Usually two things happen to n00bs when they post here with shitty music taste and get bashed.

1.) They get pissed and start ranting around and calling everyone with a bold name an "elitist snob" and eventually end up stop posting and continue to live there lives with shitty music taste.

2.) They get their music tastes shat on, and decide that maybe they should expand their music taste and start taking recs from the people who know a ton more than they do. They then start to delete bits and pieces of their old music taste and eventually end up expanding/improving their musical vision.


I took option two and i've gained a shit load of good music. So basically, shut the fuck up or actually try and grow
3.) They ignore what everyone says and continue to like what they want to.

[Dre Okorley]

:lol:

[c_rob2700]

3.) They ignore what everyone says and continue to like what they want to.
Of course I still like most of the stuff I did when I started posting here, I just deleted a lot of my awful stuff that I realized I didn't even listen to anymore

[VampiresRevenge]

Of course I still like most of the stuff I did when I started posting here, I just deleted a lot of my awful stuff that I realized I didn't even listen to anymore
Gotcha.

[brwnhawaiin]

It's just the freakin' internet. If people seriously get offended by how someone else feels about a band, then they seriously need some help. At the end of the day, it's what you think about the music, not what anyone else thinks. If you like the band, support them no matter what.


actually its not always just the internet. ive seen these musical snobs at parties and at some local concerts. and if u didnt know any of these bands they deemed good, they would just rip on u. it never bothered me, i kinda just laughed at them, but its the fact that it still happened, and not just the internet.

[JustSway]

Usually two things happen to n00bs when they post here with shitty music taste and get bashed.

1.) They get pissed and start ranting around and calling everyone with a bold name an "elitist snob" and eventually end up stop posting and continue to live there lives with shitty music taste.

2.) They get their music tastes shat on, and decide that maybe they should expand their music taste and start taking recs from the people who know a ton more than they do. They then start to delete bits and pieces of their old music taste and eventually end up expanding/improving their musical vision.


I took option two and i've gained a shit load of good music. So basically, shut the fuck up or actually try and grow

Your second point is pretty bogus. I don't think, for instance; that its fair to say person A knows more than person B because person A is a fan of Dylan whereas person B is not. Maybe if you'd have said that this gives people the opportunity to expand what they listen to, but I think a lot of what goes on around these boards is that people feel the need to tailor their music tastes to what they're told is acceptable. Sure there are some bands that get shit on more than they deserve and there are others that don't get shit on enough, but at the end of the day it's the bands that should be shit on, not the fans. No one person has the right to claim their music taste is flat out better and/or more valid than anyone elses.

3.) They ignore what everyone says and continue to like what they want to.

This. Sure its great that through this site people can expand what they listen to, but its not fair that so many people are made to feel like theyre not allowed to listen to the bands that they like on this site, or that by listening to the bands they like they're not worth listening to or are not allowed to join in on AP.

[c_rob2700]

Your second point is pretty bogus. I don't think, for instance; that its fair to say person A knows more than person B because person A is a fan of Dylan whereas person B is not. Maybe if you'd have said that this gives people the opportunity to expand what they listen to, but I think a lot of what goes on around these boards is that people feel the need to tailor their music tastes to what they're told is acceptable. Sure there are some bands that get shit on more than they deserve and there are others that don't get shit on enough, but at the end of the day it's the bands that should be shit on, not the fans. No one person has the right to claim their music taste is flat out better and/or more valid than anyone elses.

I'm talking on a personal level. I'm saying for me, the recs that I have got have been from members who are more knowledgble in music than me.

I'm not saying that i tailor to "their" music taste because I still like most of the bands I liked when I came here in the first place. All I was trying to point out is that my tastes have expanded because of what "they" have recommended to me

[JustSway]

I'm talking on a personal level. I'm saying for me, the recs that I have got have been from members who are more knowledgble in music than me.

I'm not saying that i tailor to "their" music taste because I still like most of the bands I liked when I came here in the first place. All I was trying to point out is that my tastes have expanded because of what "they" have recommended to me


Ah Im with you now, but the point I was getting at was a lot of the snobbery comes from the sort of "oh I only listen to Radiohead/Brand New/Jimmy Eat World" crowd and its not fair to say that "their" tastes in music are point in fact better than anyone elses.

[c_rob2700]

Ah Im with you now, but the point I was getting at was a lot of the snobbery comes from the sort of "oh I only listen to Radiohead/Brand New/Jimmy Eat World" crowd and its not fair to say that "their" tastes in music are point in fact better than anyone elses.
I totally agree with you

[Dre Okorley]

gnite

[FUTMT]

7th grade when I bought an UnderOATH song. I kid you not.

[thesafeword]

7th grade when I bought an UnderOATH song. I kid you not.
Aren't you in the seventh grade?

[VampiresRevenge]

Aren't you in the seventh grade?
I thought the same thing.

[c_rob2700]

And to further the point; how would listening to Underoath give you the right to be a "music snob"?


We got ourselves a mystery Nancy Drew!

[VampiresRevenge]

And to further the point; how would listening to Underoath give you the right to be a "music snob"?


We got ourselves a mystery Nancy Drew!
Maybe he thinks he's matured because he started listening to Underoath.
Or he started thinking they're shitty.:shrug:

[Ryzenfall]

Taste in music is a part of who people are. It doesn't make sense to rip on somebody for having the human right to like a certain kind of music.

That said though, I sometimes forget about that and I state my own opinions on bands, but i try to make sure it's presented as just my thought and not directed towards other fans.

[thesafeword]

Arguing about and ripping on each other's musical tastes is what makes the internet fun.

[underthetalking]

1997. Give or take.

[thesafeword]

The band?

[xEmmettx]

People can't really say any type of music is shitty, because unless the music they are talkin about is actually just pure garbage, its just because they dont like that certain style. And for the bands you mentioned, i don't think those are just necessarily start off bands. Most of the music i listen to is kind of unheard of, but FFTL is still one of my all time favourites. The old stuff with Sonny i still find sick.

[thesafeword]

People can't really say any type of music is shitty, because unless the music they are talkin about is actually just pure garbage,
That makes absolutely no motherfucking sense and nobody cares about your mancrush on Sonny Moore.

[VampiresRevenge]

That makes absolutely no motherfucking sense and nobody cares about your mancrush on Sonny Moore.
Hahahahahaha!

[theguy77]

Your second point is pretty bogus. I don't think, for instance; that its fair to say person A knows more than person B because person A is a fan of Dylan whereas person B is not. Maybe if you'd have said that this gives people the opportunity to expand what they listen to, but I think a lot of what goes on around these boards is that people feel the need to tailor their music tastes to what they're told is acceptable. Sure there are some bands that get shit on more than they deserve and there are others that don't get shit on enough, but at the end of the day it's the bands that should be shit on, not the fans. No one person has the right to claim their music taste is flat out better and/or more valid than anyone elses.

i mean, in a general sense this is the rational way of looking at it, but if you were to actually take every instance of what usually happens on AP, the newcomers tend to be people who don't know anything about music aside from scene music in the past 5 years or so, and after being exposed to several other kinds of music when they finally decide to stop being so stubborn and selective and exclusive to one specific production/songwriting/singing/lyrics style, their taste really does expand. so in a sense, yes, the music taste of a regular is typically going to be better than that of a new person for the fact that it's more diverse and seasoned, because they've been enlightened by all the information and exposure that the other posters on this site have to offer. in fact an overwhelming majority of the regulars here on the music forum will tell you that's exactly what happened to them.

[llwilliamsll]

People can't really say any type of music is shitty, because unless the music they are talkin about is actually just pure garbage, its just because they dont like that certain style. And for the bands you mentioned, i don't think those are just necessarily start off bands. Most of the music i listen to is kind of unheard of, but FFTL is still one of my all time favourites. The old stuff with Sonny i still find sick.
I would think most people claiming a band is shitty, mean that the music is pure garbage. That is, unless you're referring to the actual physical garbage. If so, it brings on the question of what is considered "pure" garbage. Is there a basic form of it like a little bit of food, etc or does it mean it absolutely must include everything that can be considered as garbage? If so, then garbage may never be "pure".

[x togepi x]

Taste in music is a part of who people are. It doesn't make sense to rip on somebody for having the human right to like a certain kind of music.

That said though, I sometimes forget about that and I state my own opinions on bands, but i try to make sure it's presented as just my thought and not directed towards other fans.

this is idiotic.

[SickOfStars]

seriously, how fucking complicated is this concept? I hate to sound short, but this concept has come up in almost every goddamn thread I've posted in recently.

like what music you like, hate what music you hate.

don't lie to someone and say you like something when you don't, just don't be a dick about it. 9 million paragraphs are not necessary.

[llwilliamsll]

Hate what other people love!

[x togepi x]

I learned just one thing when i was young, pretend that you hate everything you love
I LEARNED JUST ONE THING WHEN I WAS YOUNG, PRETEND THAT YOU HATE EVERYTHING YOU LOVE
I LEARNED JUST ONE THING WHEN I WAS YOUNG, PRETEND THAT YOU HATE EVERYTHING YOU LOVE

[batmannj]

i mean, in a general sense this is the rational way of looking at it, but if you were to actually take every instance of what usually happens on AP, the newcomers tend to be people who don't know anything about music aside from scene music in the past 5 years or so, and after being exposed to several other kinds of music when they finally decide to stop being so stubborn and selective and exclusive to one specific production/songwriting/singing/lyrics style, their taste really does expand. so in a sense, yes, the music taste of a regular is typically going to be better than that of a new person for the fact that it's more diverse and seasoned, because they've been enlightened by all the information and exposure that the other posters on this site have to offer. in fact an overwhelming majority of the regulars here on the music forum will tell you that's exactly what happened to them.
i agree with you on just about everything in there. there were a lot of bands i did not listen to before i got a profile here, and i am thankful i did. i just wish some people would take it easy on others who state their opinion, much like mr. togepi below.
this is idiotic.

[JustSway]

i mean, in a general sense this is the rational way of looking at it, but if you were to actually take every instance of what usually happens on AP, the newcomers tend to be people who don't know anything about music aside from scene music in the past 5 years or so, and after being exposed to several other kinds of music when they finally decide to stop being so stubborn and selective and exclusive to one specific production/songwriting/singing/lyrics style, their taste really does expand. so in a sense, yes, the music taste of a regular is typically going to be better than that of a new person for the fact that it's more diverse and seasoned, because they've been enlightened by all the information and exposure that the other posters on this site have to offer. in fact an overwhelming majority of the regulars here on the music forum will tell you that's exactly what happened to them.

Yeah, I agree you're right there. You said it a bit better than I tried to with regards to peoples music tastes being expanded. You're absolutely right in fact. The other bit I was trying to get at though was the attitude a lot of people seem to have to specific sorts of music. Its almost like in a lot of instances Ive noticed in the short time Ive been here is that immediately in some cases, a lot of people are made to feel like they're flat out not welcome for liking X band. I even had it within my first few days posting here, people being dicks because I like X band. Theres a huge difference between having a, shall we say, "refined" taste in music that stems beyond top40/whatever's-hot-on-buzznet and being a dick because X person doesn't like X band that you do, that you seem to think gives you 10x more credibility than anyone else. (Note the "you", is a general one and not aimed at you directly haha)

Its a bit like something I tried to strike on in the General forum about songs that got you into what you listen to today and I just found it a bit surprising a lot of peoples first real turning points were such recent songs. Thats not to say its a bad thing, I suppose I just grew up differently with regards to what music was around me. There's nothing wrong with someone saying Chiodos or even Metro Station shaped their musical tastes, they're totally entitled to think that. But in some cases some more self-aggrandizing members would shit all over someone for that. Im not going to sit here and pretend to be a saint, far from it, Im sure Ive pissed off a fair few of you, but its just surprised me recently that there's a bit of a gang mentality of music snobs here.

EDIT: I fully expect several replies of TL;DR

[theguy77]

the thing to understand about this site is that everyone is their own reviewer and everyone's got their own running commentary, as others have said quite simply its the internet and although there isnt any particular reason to be a dick sometimes its simply a form of entertainment. honestly i think if you cant take the criticism and fight it argumentatively instead of rolling with it, ignoring it, or learning to laugh at yourself, it only fuels the flame, and you need to find a way to be more secure about liking what you like rather than lashing out about it. but again, as ive said, people tend to bash the music and not the person as long as the person doesnt demonstrate ignorance. if you're in a "best albums ever" thread and you list your favorite "scene" album between 2004 and 2008 because you are ignorant (and sometimes not even open to hearing) anything else, people are going to have a problem with that. but where i agree with you and others dont its that there is nothing wrong with a band that's universally accepted to be "shitty" to have an emotional impact on your life, i mean i might comment on it in a way that says "i have no idea how" but i wont respect you less as a person for this alone because in my opinion im glad music affected you in an honest way, im glad you have a passion for an art form. just dont go trying to speak objectively about them cause that's really just picking a fight out here and i dont know how you could do it without realizing its going to draw a negative reaction, one which you can do nothing about.

[JustSway]

the thing to understand about this site is that everyone is their own reviewer and everyone's got their own running commentary, as others have said quite simply its the internet and although there isnt any particular reason to be a dick sometimes its simply a form of entertainment. honestly i think if you cant take the criticism and fight it argumentatively instead of rolling with it, ignoring it, or learning to laugh at yourself, it only fuels the flame, and you need to find a way to be more secure about liking what you like rather than lashing out about it. but again, as ive said, people tend to bash the music and not the person as long as the person doesnt demonstrate ignorance. if you're in a "best albums ever" thread and you list your favorite "scene" album between 2004 and 2008 because you are ignorant (and sometimes not even open to hearing) anything else, people are going to have a problem with that. but where i agree with you and others dont its that there is nothing wrong with a band that's universally accepted to be "shitty" to have an emotional impact on your life, i mean i might comment on it in a way that says "i have no idea how" but i wont respect you less as a person for this alone because in my opinion im glad music affected you in an honest way, im glad you have a passion for an art form. just dont go trying to speak objectively about them cause that's really just picking a fight out here and i dont know how you could do it without realizing its going to draw a negative reaction, one which you can do nothing about.

This thread should end here. I couldn't have said it better myself. I totally agree with your last point, people can enjoy whatever they like but once you start spouting off that Trace Cyrus is better than say, The Beatles, that's where its understandable people might want to correct you...to put it nicely. Haha. Kudos man, that was a good read.

[Dre Okorley]

seriously, how fucking complicated is this concept? I hate to sound short, but this concept has come up in almost every goddamn thread I've posted in recently.

like what music you like, hate what music you hate.

don't lie to someone and say you like something when you don't, just don't be a dick about it. 9 million paragraphs are not necessary.

I love this poster.

[DilesMavis]

Hm....I don't think I've ever really been a snob about music necessarily. I have opinions but I've never acted high and mighty to anyone about it.

[SickOfStars]

I love this poster.

appreciated :-)

[Dre Okorley]

appreciated :-)

Anytime SOS :)

[brwnhawaiin]

im glad this thread i made got so much discussions going. and ive seen some post directly comment on some of the bands i mentioned being in the "crappy" category, i was only using them as an example of bands i thought other ppl in general thought were crappy. i too like a few FFTL songs, and am not ashamed of it. Ive never been ashamed of my musical past, i used to love britney spears and nysync. I also have never actually bashed on someones taste in music, but i have thought it in my head, and it was those thoughts that i didnt like to begin with. Ive always been about people likeing whatever music they like, but i do wish some ppl would be more open minded about hearing new music.

[fly_guy]

June of 2007

[Silvia]

I don't think any band is shitty because there is someone out there who likes them. Even if I personally don't like them.

[thesafeword]

I don't think any band is shitty because there is someone out there who likes them. Even if I personally don't like them.
So Saddam Hussein and Adolf Hitler weren't shitty leaders because somebody liked them? The Detroit Lions aren't a shitty football team because somebody likes them?

[DejaNew]

that isn't true. you still have to sell yourself to a record label before being signed which takes some work.
thanks for agreeing with me man. as much as im not a fan, i still have a certain degree of respect for bands that made it big.

[bung]

Most people have a natural tendency to distinguish between the good and the bad in aesthetics. And there must exist a certain criteria to be used in separating the good from the bad. Music discussion, in its best form, is an attempt to define those criteria.

However, if you're a subjectivist, then it all comes down to taste and there is no "good" music or "bad" music. These are the people who say, "Don't bash my music. I'll listen to what I like--you listen to what you like." If you take this view, it severely limits the depth of musical discussion in which to partake. It also undermines musical training and perseverance, for since there is no criteria by which to judge one musical piece to be better than another, a first-year piano student's recital could very well be considered to be of equal brilliance to any of Beethoven's symphonies.

[eliselovesmusic]

When I realised that other people were into the same music as me and the bands I liked had won awards, I thought "Hey, I've got great taste in music. I kinda rock"

BUT I try really hard to judge people by their music taste - because I don't like being judged myself. But let's face it, certain bands get slapped with certain stereotypes, which makes EVERYONE a music snob because EVERYONE starts to judge. If someone worships Snoop Dogg and Lil Wayne, I immediately wonder how much weed they have in their pockets and how low their morals are (no offence to Snoop or Wayne).

Anyway, I think the best way to avoid being a major "Music Snob" is to be open to all genres of music. Sure, I still have my favourite genres, but I'm willing to listen to what's on my neighbors top 25 most played.

[Duexy]

So Saddam Hussein and Adolf Hitler weren't shitty leaders because somebody liked them? The Detroit Lions aren't a shitty football team because somebody likes them?



saddam hussein and adolf hitler were great leaders..they just had fucked up agendas.

[Jake Denning]

I started to be a snob around when I was in 8th grade, I still am; I cant stand stuff like William Control, Jeffree Star, A Skylit Drive, ect.

Continuing on with the others who have said it, I like the people who come out and say that they like a certain band and why, because it turns me on to alot of good music; I never really listened to Brand New until about 6 months ago, thanks AP.net!

http://blogs.nypost.com/popwrap/photos/anchorman.jpg

[brwnhawaiin]

So Saddam Hussein and Adolf Hitler weren't shitty leaders because somebody liked them? The Detroit Lions aren't a shitty football team because somebody likes them?

go lions!! another horrible season..the ugliest of all time.

[theguy77]

I started to be a snob around when I was in 8th grade, I still am; I cant stand stuff like William Control, Jeffree Star, A Skylit Drive, ect.

Continuing on with the others who have said it, I like the people who come out and say that they like a certain band and why, because it turns me on to alot of good music; I never really listened to Brand New until about 6 months ago, thanks AP.net!

http://blogs.nypost.com/popwrap/photos/anchorman.jpg

now if we could just get you to get rid of that a day to remember avatar... ;-)

[theguy77]

saddam hussein and adolf hitler were great leaders..they just had fucked up agendas.

haha pwned

[SickOfStars]

Most people have a natural tendency to distinguish between the good and the bad in aesthetics. And there must exist a certain criteria to be used in separating the good from the bad. Music discussion, in its best form, is an attempt to define those criteria.

However, if you're a subjectivist, then it all comes down to taste and there is no "good" music or "bad" music. These are the people who say, "Don't bash my music. I'll listen to what I like--you listen to what you like." If you take this view, it severely limits the depth of musical discussion in which to partake. It also undermines musical training and perseverance, for since there is no criteria by which to judge one musical piece to be better than another, a first-year piano student's recital could very well be considered to be of equal brilliance to any of Beethoven's symphonies.

I dunno...

I think that one can believe that there is "good" and "bad" music. One can also argue what is good or bad with someone that has conflicting opinions. I don't think that point is of any dispute.

The only thing that causes friction is that a lot of folks turn into awful douchebags when they do this. If person A listens to Paramore, they don't deserve to be tied down while person B defecates on their face. Especially if person A is otherwise artistically articulate, nice, or a "good" person in most or any other aspects.

[zmanscenemasta]

If people would work on DEBATING, and not so much personally attacking or making crude comments that sound immature to all ears open, then maybe different music tastes could get along in a healthy manner.

But for most music, now days, take screamo for example. Most people can say they don't like it, which is fine, but if you are going to talk shit, you might as well have reasons for not liking what you don't like. Most people fail to explain WHY and just make ignorant comments that come straight outta middle school.

It causes me to assume that most people just have stuck-up, stubborn opinions. Elitists piss me off more than anything in the world, because they group everyone into large categories and make the same comments for every band they encounter. All the punk-rock straight edge barbarians and the stuck-up emo kids that like certain bands and hate other bands that are in the EXACT SAME GENRE. People need to get the fucking chip off their shoulder and their own advice. Being playfully argumentative is one thing, but being a dick to verbally iradicate the dreaded "sceeeene kids" is a whole nother irritation on its own.

You like your music.

I like my music.

Lets debate and make REASONABLE points on our understandings.

The person with the greater explanations generally wins the debate, with no harm done and all opinions remaining the same.

Learn it. Practice it. Live it.... you generalist, eggheaded scum. :-\

[theguy77]

people are not called scene kids merely because they listen to scene bands, at least not in my case. i listen to a share of scene bands although much less than i used to, and it's a breed that's become outdated and has less of a focus on image as i perceive it than the current bands. i call people scene kids when they are completely closed-minded to anything outside of said "scene", and they constantly make ignorant comments that reflect this closed-mindedness, and hold an anti-intellectual stance when it comes to the discussion and analysis of music. they represent a persona which is exactly the opposite of what these forums are meant to accomodate, and it is for this reason why they are criticized, ridiculed, rejected, and/or dismissed until they grow up and modify their views.

[DilesMavis]

Sometimes I wonder how it feels to be in a band and put a lot of time, effort, and energy into what you do, yet joke bands like Brokencyde are appreciated by multitudes of people? I hope they're joking anyway. Not trying to make generalizations here though. I know a lot of people really enjoy them at my school. I mean, the time some people spend trying to get their music recognized and such. Maybe that would cause some people to be spiteful towards this type of music and these type of bands? Don't get me wrong I'm not hating on them. I just think it's hard work to play an instrument yet bands like these are the ones who are being recognized. If that makes sense? I dunno. Just trying to think of reasons.

[chipdip18]

Everyone is a music snob. Some music snobs are more snobby than others.

[dakota0135]

People are always going to make their own opinions about other peoples tastes in music. I hate it when other people do it, but I know I do all the time. I am a major hypocirte though.
But I am going to voice my opinion here about people who say shit about band on their threads. Like people always say Brand New are overrated, or they suck (I really like them) and it bugs me especially when it is on a thread for the band! It's such a waste of time, if you don't like the band don't comment about them! Some people just want to cause trouble, they want people to get all worked up, and its so antagonistic it annoys me.

[DilesMavis]

I think it's okay to voice your opinion about a band when you don't like it. There are just better ways of saying and putting it, then "____ sucks!" I think if you're going to make a blunt statement like that, you should also be able to back up why you think that.

[theguy77]

i agree that you should be ABLE to back up why you think a band sucks if the issue is pressed but those issues come up a lot and it sucks to have to keep explaining your stance over and over again, i mean i personally dont mind it for the most part but other regulars probably do

[Chromefox]

i agree that you should be ABLE to back up why you think a band sucks if the issue is pressed but those issues come up a lot and it sucks to have to keep explaining your stance over and over again, i mean i personally dont mind it for the most part but other regulars probably do In which case, it's easiest to simply not say "X band sucks" at all. If one's going to say "X band sucks", then one had better be prepared to explain themselves. If one doesn't want to go through that trouble, then they really oughtta shut the hell up in the first place and move on.

If you think it's worth it to say something, but not worth it to explain, then you're just an ass.

[DilesMavis]

True.

[theguy77]

good point. nice work, captain megan!

[Chromefox]

*Curtsy*

I need a wildly inaccurate superhero name. Like Colonel Hipster.

[speak easy]

nickelback is really bad

[Dre Okorley]

This thread lost it's value so fast.

[x togepi x]

If people would work on DEBATING, and not so much personally attacking or making crude comments that sound immature to all ears open, then maybe different music tastes could get along in a healthy manner.

But for most music, now days, take screamo for example. Most people can say they don't like it, which is fine, but if you are going to talk shit, you might as well have reasons for not liking what you don't like. Most people fail to explain WHY and just make ignorant comments that come straight outta middle school.

It causes me to assume that most people just have stuck-up, stubborn opinions. Elitists piss me off more than anything in the world, because they group everyone into large categories and make the same comments for every band they encounter. All the punk-rock straight edge barbarians and the stuck-up emo kids that like certain bands and hate other bands that are in the EXACT SAME GENRE. People need to get the fucking chip off their shoulder and their own advice. Being playfully argumentative is one thing, but being a dick to verbally iradicate the dreaded "sceeeene kids" is a whole nother irritation on its own.

You like your music.

I like my music.

Lets debate and make REASONABLE points on our understandings.

The person with the greater explanations generally wins the debate, with no harm done and all opinions remaining the same.

Learn it. Practice it. Live it.... you generalist, eggheaded scum. :-\

I will stop being a dick to scene kids when they stop ruining music with their vain, shallow bullshit.

[Tambourine]

I'm not gonna lie, I liked Nickelback when I first started listening to music. Then I found that their influences were much, much better.

Yes, I do tend to think worse of people who listen to (what I consider to be) bad music. I know I'm a bit of a snob when it comes to music, but isn't everyone? It's impossible not to be. I think the reason I'm not totally caught up in my own viewpoint is that I want to get as much pleasure as possible out of the stuff, so I'll at least give most things a listen. Then I'll give it a thorough tongue-lashing. :-d

Meh, I love a good musical debate, and I do get riled up, but it also seems like people take it WAY too seriously. It's not a life-or-death thing.

[deathcabkid11]

Ever since I put on tight pants
I probably have bashed people in the past for only hearing whats constantly playing on the radio, with nothing else. Now, instead, i realize that i should try to share my own music with more people so they can enjoy it too.

[llwilliamsll]

I probably have bashed people in the past for only hearing whats constantly playing on the radio, with nothing else. Now, instead, i realize that i should try to share my own music with more people so they can enjoy it too.
Understandable, but why'd you quote me? Haha.

[wewascontenders]

i know i only get "music snobish" when someone try's to tell me they listen to better music the i do and then back it up with the worst of arguments.

[theguy77]

*Curtsy*

I need a wildly inaccurate superhero name. Like Colonel Hipster.

hahaha thats good enough. mr. indie suits me.

[IWasaCamera]

Thread should have ended after my second post.

[theguy77]

could have ended on a lot of my posts