Two Tongues - Two Tongues

[Drew Beringer]

Two Tongues – Two Tongues
Release Date: February 3, 2009
Label: Vagrant

When news of Chris Conley and Max Bemis collaborating to create Two Tongues hit the interwebs, my little heart was all a flutter. You see, Saves The Day is my all time favorite band (http://www.absolutepunk.net/showthread.php?t=275039). And Say Anything released my favorite album in 2007 (http://www.absolutepunk.net/showthread.php?t=273927). Plus I love collaborations, such as The Flintstones and Jetsons crossover movie (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Jetsons_Meet_the_Flintstones), and Jay-Z and Linkin Park bringing rap and rock (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Collision_Course_(album)) together like never before (Collision Course holla!)! So, had the stars align to bring me one of my favorite albums of 2009?

Nope.

The self-titled debut of the super group starts out great, overwhelming you with emotional chargers such as “Crawl” and “If I Could Make You Do Things.” But, then tracks like the Weezer-esque “Don’t You Want To Come Home” and “Alice” (which sounds like a Sound The Alarm b-side) completely underwhelm you. (Seriously guys, I just want to be whelmed!)

There are definitely some highlights though. “Wowee Zowee” will definitely be a song you want to crank on your stereo. And “Come On” may be the breakout song on the album, really showing off the potential of Two Tongues. Full of energy and on-point call and return vocals between Bemis and Conley, this song is a keeper. “Dead Lizard,” with its menacing guitar tones, is vibrant and features a huge bridge with Bemis’ vocals bursting form the seams.

Even with a handful of good tracks though, there is still a fair amount of clunkers. “Back Against The Wall” is the ugly duckling of the album, and no, it does not turn into a beautiful swan. Cheesy synths and awkward “ahh’s” from Conley makes this track one giant bucket of fail. And the album closer, “Even If You Don’t” is an absolute snoozer, ending Two Tongues on an unremarkable note.

But the most stunning thing about the album is the mediocre lyrics. Conley and Bemis have wrote memorable lyrics for their respective bands that have hit me hard, but nothing on Two Tongues seem to stick. Vocally, the chemistry between Conley and Bemis is remarkable; Bemis’ rough bark is the perfect counterbalance to Conley’s high-pitched wails (even though his vocals are incredibly whiny, even for me).

In hindsight, a Two Tongues EP would have probably been a better idea, as it would have left a better lasting impression on the listener. Instead, we have a full-length that shines at times, but is brought down by the amount of filler on it. Basically, if you dig Saves The Day and/or Say Anything, you will more than likely enjoy this, as it is what you probably would imagine: a hybrid of the two bands. Ideally, I wanted Two Tongues to be an album I could listen to throughout the year. Rather, it becomes an album that will be occasionally played while I wait for new Say Anything and Saves The Day albums instead.

Track Listing:
1. Crawl
2. If I Could Make You Do Things
3. Dead Lizard
4. Interlude
5. Tremors
6. Silly Game
7. Don’t You Want To Come Home
8. Wowee Zowee
9. Come On
10. Alice
11. Try Not To Save Me
12. Back Against The Wall
13. Even If You Don’t

Two Tongues is:
Chris Conley – vocals/guitar
Max Bemis – vocals/guitar
Dave Soloway – bass
Coby Linder – drums

Official Myspace (http://www.myspace.com/twotonguesrock); Official AP.net Profile (http://www.absolutepunk.net/twotongues)

[Ryzenfall]

Good whelming review. This album is going to be on a lot of most-disappointing lists at the end of the year.

[WhoSaidThat?]

Good review. From what hockeyguitar99 wrote, I could've sworn I was in for a Top 5 of 09 contender. Ah, well.

[Drew Beringer]

Don't get me wrong, I do enjoy a lot of songs as my review stated. I was just expecting more.

[Chris Fallon]

"Crawl" and "Dead Lizard" are great -- but I agree with you completely. Like I've said before, it gets worse and worse upon each listen for me, which sucks, because I enjoy both vocalists. Chris' voice gets irritating halfway through, to be honest.

Underwhelming for sure, but maybe this means we can all love their respective original bands' next album even more.

[wuduprod]

i agree with this review 100%. not a bad album, but not that great either.

[kinkywizard90]

i really couldn't agree more.

i'd be interested to hear your thoughts on "interlude" which i thought was actually a stand-out track in terms of lyrics AND melody, but should've been performed by bemis instead of dupree.

[Domenic182]

They shoulda just done covers of each others songs and made an album out of it.

[WhoSaidThat?]

They shoulda just done covers of each others songs and made an album out of it.
I might be an army of one, but I'm not sure I'd love that.

[blinkme]

i haven't heard the album yet, is it worth purchasing?

[AsItFallsApart]

i'm kinda bummed its getting ragged on so much, i'll agree it has some filler but i thought it was a pretty decent spin that just slips up the final few songs but the ones that shine are pretty damned good. i will agree on the weak lyrics though, as both singers independantly have written some great things in the past.

[TheHeretic]

You know what? I agree with pretty much everything you said, Drew, but still found myself thoroughly enjoying this album and I'm actually not even that disappointed. Maybe my expectations weren't as high...

[Kbm600]

I liked the first few tracks, when I give it more of a listen I'll be able to comment more on it. Great review though.

[thehereaway]

Good review, i completely agree. BIG disappointment, the only songs that do anything for me on this album were the 3 they put up on their Myspace page (Crawl, Wowee Zowee, If I Could Make You Do Things) and Silly Game.

[Keagan Ilvonen]

Good review Drew. It's spot on but you will probably get swarmed by the trolls when they wake. Oh well.

[therookielot]

the last song is a ween cover

[coma]

I pretty much like the entire record. The 60's pop rock influenced "Don't You Want To Come Home" is pretty cute. "Back Against The Wall" is one of my favorite songs on the record. It's the only time on the record Chris uses his voice not to grate my nerves.

I'll give it 7/10. I wasn't expecting a masterpiece. I have sense enough to recognize that this is an afterthought to both lead singers.

[Andrew Love]

I cannot get into this for the life of me

[mr chainsaw]

I want to stop listening whenever the Saves the Day singer starts. His voice is so high (in a bad way) these days.

[fadedmemories]

Good, unbiased review.

[Loch_Doun]

two really bad vocalists collaborating together??
sign me up!!

[Big_Guy]

I think this should have gotten a lower score. the only redeeming qualities of it are the few songs that were released before the album even came out.

[prefix-core]

This review is dead-on. There's a few great songs, but for the most part it's just "eh" alternative rock that skates by on the fact that Max Bemis and Chris Conley are delivering the vocal lines. Not great, not bad. Should have been an E.P.

That being said: I can't wait for the next Say Anything album.

[Chalie22]

Good honest review. I appreicated that. This record is just so mediocre.

[PunkDrums182]

I haven't heard this yet, but this is saddening. I hope I disagree :(

[2hxc4you]

this review is spot on, unlike the Homesick review haha ... Im just kidding Blake, I dont want to start that up again.

[jimmyeatblink]

Not as great as i expected, but the score is a bit lower than i would give it.

[popdisaster00]

This is ironic, because I rather like this cd while I hated SA's last cd and pretty much disliked STD's last effort as well.

[Eostre]

Fair enough, I can see where you're coming from, but I couldn't stop listening to it.

As the album gets nearer the end the songs get worse which is disappointing, but I'll still have it on repeat.

Highlights: Crawl, If I Could Make You Do Things, Tremors, Dead Lizard (Which reminds me of a pop-punk Thrice song) and Silly Games.

[hardpill]

I might be an army of one, but I'm not sure I'd love that.
It worked for Moneen and Alexisonfire
That was good stuff

[fhsbb232]

I agree with your review, but I liked Tremors as well as all the other songs that you mentioned.

[trappedintime]

I just couldn't get into Two Tongues... No matter how hard I tried.
I played their songs on myspace over and over. No dice.

[katieissweet]

I agree with this review 100%.

[MXkillerPX]

wait...is this album out already? What's the deal?

[Broclee]

Such a spot-on review...for an album with almost endless potential, it really failed to deliver.

[pegu66]

Sometimes you just have like something for what it is. I do agree that the lyrics are not very good and the music isn't up to what these two bands usually create but if you get that out of your mindset I think it is pretty fantastic. If any other mediocre band made this album you would have liked it alot better. It is only a fail by the norm for these two bands.

I am enjoying it and trying not to think of it Say Anything + Saves The Day but rather a band on to its own.

[Broclee]

Sometimes you just have like something for what it is. I do agree that the lyrics are not very good and the music isn't up to what these two bands usually create but if you get that out of your mindset I think it is pretty fantastic. If any other mediocre band made this album you would have liked it alot better. It is only a fail by the norm for these two bands.

I am enjoying it and trying not to think of it Say Anything + Saves The Day but rather a band on to its own.
The problem, though, is that the entire build-up has lauded it as the collaboration of Say Anything and Saves The Day, particularly Chris and Max, so with that kind of build-up, you just have expectations you have to meet with the fans.

[thursday8605]

lol, i listened to this and deleted it from my itunes. not good at all. let down indeed

[Spenny]

I was hoping whoever reviewed it wouldn't give it high marks simply because it involves Chris and Max.

Good review. I agree completely with what you said about how it'll just be here to tide us over until the next Saves the Day and Say Anything albums.

[sell the sunris]

*shrugs* Disagree completely, but them's the breaks.

This album didn't disappoint at all.

[jtyexists9]

I might be an army of one, but I'm not sure I'd love that.
Army of two.

[Just An End]

Great review.. it is amazing to me how different a review comes off when it actually talks about the music on the record instead of trying to make a joke out of everything..and I completely agree with your assessment of the record.. I'll be listening to "Wowee Zowee" a lot but not much of the rest of the album

[Petzl]

The lyrics were really really lacking. The album is alright but nothing great.

[bradsonemanband]

yeah this album disappointed me. i was really excited for it before i heard it. "Crawl" (which i had heard a million times before) is still the only song of theirs that really rocks my body, which is unfortunate. oh well though i guess.

[HometownHero]

Gross. Chris Conley sounds like he's dying when he sings on this record. Or he's being choked

[Mediocrity]

Thanks for being so honest about this

[Blakebear]

Very nice review Drew. To the point and humorous. I likey.

[AdamChildress]

I am still going to check this out, see if it is any good...

I did not really like what I had previously, but I will just give it another shot.

[thesmellofnj]

I don't get how anyone can not enjoy this if they're a fan of either band

[Alex DiVincenzo]

Bummer, I was expecting this to be great

[PoisonInMyVeins]

A 66% well deserved. I wasn't impressed with this at all; maybe that's just because I hate Max Bemis.

[Yellowcard2006]

Ugh, I was thinking AOTY. But I guess I've only heard the 3 songs that are on myspace, and I like those. Hmm so now RJA new album is not worth buying, ADTR failed to make songs that sound any different and Two Tongues is okay and held up only by the couple good tracks. Maybe I'm only picking up The Fray next week.

[sdisticsquirrel]

that's too bad. hype can really kill an album. i'm still excited for this, but the anticipation's fallen quite a bit.

[Broclee]

I don't get how anyone can not enjoy this if they're a fan of either band
I'm a huge fan of both bands, and that's why I don't enjoy it.

It should've been so much better than it was.

[PopPunkKid]

I want to stop listening whenever the Saves the Day singer starts. His voice is so high (in a bad way) these days.
I have to agree, Chris Coneley really lost something vocally. I noticed it when my friend was playing this album in my car the other night. His voice just doesn't have the power or emotion it had in Stay What You Are, or even some tracks on In Reverie. I think he lost it sometime after that album.

[haddy]

i was really disappointed when i heard the album. the best song is crawl and it kinda sucks that its the first song on the album.

[EvilEmpire]

I have to say that the review was a very fair assessment of the album, and I have to agree with just about everything in it.

[kylestarr]

i don't think i had huge expectations going into this album considering the directions Under the Boards and In Defense of the Genre were going. i just wanted to hop on and let the album take me for a ride. i wasn't expecting a saves the day record and i wasn't expecting a say anything record. i was expecting something different and interesting. plus, considering the non-formal way of recording this album, i assume a lot of it was like a test drive. also, after watching the preview video for it, it seems like bemis may have taken the reins a little more than chris.

stand out tracks: Dead Lizard, Wowee Zowee, Come On, Alice, TRY NOT TO SAVE ME

my advice: don't go in expecting saves the day or say anything... just a solid pop rock record. this is all coming from a man whose favorite band is saves the day as well

[B-Bones]

I'm really lovin Tremors.

[BigAl]

"Crawl" and "Dead Lizard" are great -- but I agree with you completely. Like I've said before, it gets worse and worse upon each listen for me, which sucks, because I enjoy both vocalists. Chris' voice gets irritating halfway through, to be honest.

Underwhelming for sure, but maybe this means we can all love their respective original bands' next album even more.
That's shitty.

[0101]

I had a lot of hopes for this album and when I found myself deleting songs from my iTunes and having that number overpower the number I kept it was disappointing.

[Protested Hero]

Crawl, If I Could Make You Do Things, Tremors, Silly Game, and Wowie Zowie are what I expected of the album. The rest of the songs, not at all.

[blindrider529]

I couldn't stand a lot of the vocals from the last few Saves the Day albums. They made some of my favorite albums of all time, but his vocals have gotten soooo much more nasally and whiny.

[I am Mick]

I liked this album. There were some blah songs, but I think the good ones make up for it. I totally agree with it just being an EP. I've said that about In Defense Of The Genre as well

[underthetalking]

Pretty much what I was expecting.

[fieldbelow]

I'm enjoying it. I can't say I really had a ton of expectations, but it's totally solid.

[GiggsOho]

Couldn't have said it better myself. It's exactly how I feel about this album. IMO, "Wowee Zowee" is a terrible name for a song like that, but I'm not the artist, so it doesn't really matter.

[live.]

Don't get me wrong, I do enjoy a lot of songs as my review stated. I was just expecting more.
I felt the same way, especially after that feature in Gibson.

[billyboatkid]

I like this cd. But then again I wasn't expecting much to begin with.

[dubey]

I agree 100% with the review.

Saves the Day is one of my favourite bands and I really like Say Anything too.

Bad record.

[threepunchjim]

About what I expected, unfortunately

[spencersface]

I disagree with the overall rating, but don't necessarily disagree with the entire review. Personally I enjoy the entire record. It's a refreshing change from a lot of the other insincere music being produced lately. Thus far this is my favorite album released in '09.

[zeropunk16]

Only enjoyed two songs.

[saving jonathan]

Effing A.
This does not bode well. I really hope I'm not let down by this album.

How two dudes from two of my favorite bands could unite to score such average points for musicianship, lyrics and creativity is beyond me.
Bummer.

[batmannj]

that kinda sucks, i was hoping this would be good with all the hype surrounding it. i might check it out.

[nud0]

im sorry to say but i agree with this wholeheartedly

[manican sex]

Didnt see this review coming

[Holly HoX!]

wow. haven't listened to the album in its entirety, but i wasn't expecting a 66%.

by default i love anything conley does...i just hope he wasted all his throw away lyrics on this album and is saving something spectacular for the next saves the day.

[bkraniger]

It seems the songs they pre released are the best.. I hate when bands do that, gives the listener nothing to look forward to. The lyrics are a disappointment.

[sohcampco]

I think we all just expected this album to be... completely genius...
Maybe we expected too much?

[Scott Weber]

Big letdown. I really feel like Max's voice doesn't go well with anybody else's but his own. Every time he'd sing I felt it just derailed the song. The album would have been much more successful I think if Max wrote the music and Chris handled the vocals.

[mycuban]

couldn't agree more, the lyrics were the truly disappointing part of this record for me, the music is fun, but the lyrics just don't do it for me. good review.

[Fulltime Mike]

What did you expect? Coby is an awful drummer. Max is a douche that writes lyrics like he's still in 9th grade and uses his "mental problems" to get people to think more of him for overcoming it. You can easily tell what Chris and Dave wrote, those are the parts that stick out, though they are scarce. Screw this album give me Daybreak.

[chrstianrocker]

If it were to be an E.P, what songs would you put on it Drew? (or anyone else that's heard it)

[Glenthegay]

After Saves the Day going downhill after Stay What You Are.. I didn't expect this album to be amazing..
I'm not keen on Say Anything, and chris' voice nowdays sounds like he's singing out of his nose holes..
If this album was anything like Through Being Cool on the otherhand, I'd of been happy

[Broclee]

If it were to be an E.P, what songs would you put on it Drew? (or anyone else that's heard it)
Crawl
If I Could Make You Do Things
Dead Lizard
Tremors
Wowee Zowee
Come On
Try Not To Save Me

Not necessarily in that order, though.

[Drew Beringer]

If it were to be an E.P, what songs would you put on it Drew? (or anyone else that's heard it)
Definitely Crawl, If I Could Make You Do Things, Tremors, Come On, Wowee Zomee, and probably Dead Lizard.

[racecar]

"a good handful of good songs."

the department of redundancy department is calling.

[Greg.Kushlan]

I never really had hope in this being good, so I'm not too suprised that it was disappointing. I finally go around to listening to the band and Crawl was the only song I really liked.

[benn10]

Much better than any Blake "Victory Records Hater" Solomon review.

[Scott Weber]

Much better than any Blake "Victory Records Hater" Solomon review.
You mean Blake "bad music" hater Solomon?

[benn10]

You mean Blake "bad music" hater Solomon?

That's quite an original nickname you conjured, if I do say so myself.

[Merkin]

seriously, spot on.
i've been pretty disappointed, minus a few songs...

[richie]

I've found some amazing songs and some really boring ones as well on this record.

[Broclee]

"a good handful of good songs."

the department of redundancy department is calling.
A "good handful" as in a decent amount of "good songs" as in tracks that are decent.

I think that was the intent.

[Freeling]

I have never been let down by Max's music like this...give me a new SA album NOW.


p.s. Nice review. I have been wondering if I was the only fan who wasn't feeling this album...this thread let me know the answer to that for sure.

[Yellowcard2006]

When comes to Two Tongues, some people love it, some people hate it, and some just think it's okay.

[forkandknife]

from listening to the album the first time i knew it had low lasting appeal

it lacked crazy max bemis lyrics and saves the day energy and urgency

[Broclee]

When comes to Two Tongues, some people love it, some people hate it, and some just think it's okay.
it all just happens...

[screamoutmyname]

great, honest review of an extremely mediocre album.

[more heart]

some poeple are going to be pissed...

[Loveisa4lttrwrd]

What did you expect? Coby is an awful drummer. Max is a douche that writes lyrics like he's still in 9th grade and uses his "mental problems" to get people to think more of him for overcoming it. You can easily tell what Chris and Dave wrote, those are the parts that stick out, though they are scarce. Screw this album give me Daybreak.
What gives you the authority to judge somebody like that? Get off your internet fucking high horse and shut up. You have no idea what Max went through and you have no right to open your ignorant mouth against him. You want to criticize the music? Fine. But it is a completely asinine thing to try to make judgments based on the character of someone you don't know.

[Joey (J-Train)]

at first listen the album may feel like it's a weak album but after a 2nd or 3rd listen it becomes better. I find myself enjoying this album immensely. you just have to let it sink in

[airik625]

Such a letdown for me.

[Illuminate]

I wish the album was better. Too much filler. Good review since you absolutely captured that correctly.

[tommy's ghost]

Drew, I'm curious. Had it been just another band, would you've scored it the same?

Good review by the way, and I actually like the album.

[I Shot Chicago]

i'm going to give this album a listen because i love Max Bemis, but Chris Conley's voice drives me absolutely insane (the one exception being on Razia's Shadow) so we'll see how it goes...

[a morning view]

Max Bemis, Chris Conley, and their respective bands are all pretty fucking overrated. What did you expect?

"Crawl" sounded pretty good, but I won't even bother listening to the rest now.

[NortyCore]

first half is good. second half is meh. not impressing what so ever.

[IAmConjuringYou]

Top tracks:
Crawl
If I Could Make You Do Things
Interlude (Which hasn't gotten any love in this thread, sadly)
Tremors
Silly Game

[SandManTEND13]

Good review, I guess everyone could be disappointed but I think I will enjoy it quiet well!!
I think it will grow on me alot as time goes on

[bobcatbob18]

For those who don't know, it is now streaming on Myspace.


I'm halfway in, I dig it thus far.

[Johnnydcp]

I think Try Not To Save Me is a really great song off this.

[cory-182]

Don't get me wrong, I do enjoy a lot of songs as my review stated. I was just expecting more.
Aren't you supposed to be reviewing what is there and not what you wanted to be there?

[Mattfav]

um sorry. dont you want to come home is pretty much awesome. as is the rest of the album

[Broclee]

I think Try Not To Save Me is a really great song off this.
Oh yes.

[emokid333]

O well new say anything won't dissapoint

[ak4]

You know what? I agree with pretty much everything you said, Drew, but still found myself thoroughly enjoying this album and I'm actually not even that disappointed. Maybe my expectations weren't as high...
ditto.


i enjoyed the cd, it seems kinda homo at times though..actually, really homo..did chris and max give eachother the reach-around through the whole process?

[beth danger]

The album didn't blow me away right off the bat, which I was sure it would. Still, I think it has the potential to be a grower, seeing as I love everything Bemis and Conley have done individually.

Edit: Also, person above me, did you just call this "homo"? Jesus christ.

[HeyAshley]

I really dislike Chris's voice.

I don't know is it just me or is tremor one of the only good songs on there?

[hectorial85]

ill try not to let this review bias me.............

i cant wait to hear it.

[Drew Beringer]

Aren't you supposed to be reviewing what is there and not what you wanted to be there?
What? I reviewed exactly what was there, a few good songs and a lot of filler. I just wanted the album to be better than what it was.

[Sic Transit Zeb]

I really agreed with your thoughts on this but I wouldn't say it's a huge disappointment. In my eyes., It's about what I expected.

[Sic Transit Zeb]

Max Bemis, Chris Conley, and their respective bands are all pretty fucking overrated. What did you expect?

"Crawl" sounded pretty good, but I won't even bother listening to the rest now.
wrong

both are great.

[Yellowcard2006]

ditto.


i enjoyed the cd, it seems kinda homo at times though..actually, really homo..did chris and max give eachother the reach-around through the whole process?
It's probably better you just consider them singing about a girl during their respective part...if you have an issue with the "homo", not that there's anything wrong with that.

[hectorial85]

I really agreed with your thoughts on this but I wouldn't say it's a huge disappointment. In my eyes., It's about what I expected.
exactly!
gave it a few streams - i like it.

[Revolutionist1]

Max and Chris shit good songs. All of their great stuff is obviously gonna go on their next individual records. As far as side projects go this album has a lot of staying power. I wasn't blown away when I first heard "crawl" on their myspace, but it's one of my favorites now. They obviously aren't taking themselves too seriously. Who takes themselves seriously and ends their record with a Ween cover? A first listen may disappoint, but a second or third might dissolve your expectations and let you hear it for what it is: two great songwriters having fun making music together. I doubt reach-arounds were involved.

[panicbxmb]

They shoulda just done covers of each others songs and made an album out of it.
The itunes bonus tracks are both Saves The Day and Say Anything cover songs :)

and I feel like I enjoy this album more than anyone else on here. the ending leaves a little to be desired (Saves The Day have had epic closers like "Tomorrow Too Late" and "Firefly" and Say Anything have ended their past two albums with "Admit It!!!" and "Plea"...those songs are such perfect closers, i dunno what happened here), but otherwise i love it.

it just sounds like two dudes making fun music for the sake of making fun music. some goofy lyrics and weird melodies (and synth parts...) here and there, but it's all good poppy stuff.....especally "Dead Lizard", holy shit that song is great.

[twolinedrawing]

anybody else know that the last song is actually not a Two Tongues original but in fact a Ween cover?

[sean4123]

A 66% well deserved. I wasn't impressed with this at all; maybe that's just because I hate Max Bemis.
If you hate max bemis then you don't deserve to even visit this website let alone post here. FACT: Your opinion is RETARDED.

[Chris Fallon]

If you hate max bemis then you don't deserve to even visit this website let alone post here. FACT: Your opinion is RETARDED.
This is just stupid.

[fadedmemories]

If you hate max bemis then you don't deserve to even visit this website let alone post here. FACT: Your opinion is RETARDED.
wtf?!

[Chalie22]

dude I saw say anything 7 times and I can assure you people hating on Max Bemis is not the end of the world. I wonder if Max read that review and thought to himself that absolutepunk are "old jaded people" like he said about punknews.org

[racecar]

A "good handful" as in a decent amount of "good songs" as in tracks that are decent.

I think that was the intent.
well, if it were a "bad" handful of good songs then it would still be a handful of good songs. i get the intent. just having a little fun. lets calm it down.

[Broclee]

well, if it were a "bad" handful of good songs then it would still be a handful of good songs. i get the intent. just having a little fun. lets calm it down.
I've been calm the whole time...?

Just trying to help out, and missing the fun-having.
What's a boy to do?
:shrug:

[Alexx Miller]

I love Wowee Zowee a lot, but I haven't got around to listening to the album yet... I'm scared.

[Broclee]

I love Wowee Zowee a lot, but I haven't got around to listening to the album yet... I'm scared.
Give it a spin, find the best songs, the ones you really like, then you can keep those.
Because the good songs, at least for me, are really really incredibly good.

[Alexx Miller]

Max and Chris shit good songs. All of their great stuff is obviously gonna go on their next individual records. As far as side projects go this album has a lot of staying power. I wasn't blown away when I first heard "crawl" on their myspace, but it's one of my favorites now. They obviously aren't taking themselves too seriously. Who takes themselves seriously and ends their record with a Ween cover? A first listen may disappoint, but a second or third might dissolve your expectations and let you hear it for what it is: two great songwriters having fun making music together. I doubt reach-arounds were involved.
What a pleasant first post :-)

[Fulltime Mike]

What gives you the authority to judge somebody like that? Get off your internet fucking high horse and shut up. You have no idea what Max went through and you have no right to open your ignorant mouth against him. You want to criticize the music? Fine. But it is a completely asinine thing to try to make judgments based on the character of someone you don't know.
Do you know him? Are you his brother, sister, uncle, aunt, cousin, friend or lover? You're a hypocrite. From what I can see you too are making judgments based on a the character of someone you don't know. I just call it as I see it man.

[paintthedays]

I pretty much agree 100% with this review. I love half the songs, but the other half just falls in the background. Back Against The Wall is definitely my least favorite, it sticks out awkwardly from the rest of the album and just...is not a good song. And synth is something that needs to stay far, far away from anything involving Saves The Day.

[jakesavestheday]

I think a lot of people really like the songs that I'm halfies on and hate the ones I love. Saves the Day is also my all-time favorite and I like the Say Anything debut and some of IDOTG and overall, I really like this album and am not disappointed at all.

I'm not here to criticize those who hate it or most of it, which is the majority at the moment but I did want to voice my opinion and that I don't agree with a lot of this review.

It seems like people are really geared towards the poppy upbeat or faster/harder hitting songs on this record but those are the ones that seem just OK to me. They didn't take me out of my boundries of music with a flavorful flare.

My favorites are "Alice" and "Try Not To Save Me". I strongly disagree with Drew on his description of "Alice" as a STA b-side. I would accept it more if he said UTB b-side. Sure the song is dark like a lot of the vibe of STA but the music is really not at all like it aside from atmosphere. The songs on STA are all very urgent and driving in that dark sense and musically, are mostly power chords and powerchord fragments with some dissonant contrasting chords from time to time. This song is dark but has quirky guitar note bends on a little sorta-notey guitar riff that opens up into a mid-tempo suspended chord chorus that has a good moving line in the bass while maintaining a strong, loose open chord section. The drums are tom-heavy and then straight ahead just like many of the songs darker songs on UTB and this song actually feels most like the opening title track of that record.

I also don't think the lyrics are as bad as everyone says. I don't think they're masterpieces at all but they are very straight forward and the whole record actually tells a very clear story about Max and Chris's introduction to each other, opening thoughts on each other, their friendship, and what it's become. It also explains very clearly how their friendship and respect for each other sort of mirrors elements of their relationship with their signifacant others and while it's not very poetic or profound, is acceptable and just fine TO ME. They are the most literal of Chris's lyrics since CSD and the most straight forward Max has written in a long time as well. Overall, I would say the lyrics are mediocre but still meaningful.

People have been bashing the last song too which I can't help but laugh at. That song is a WEEN cover! Complain about the tracklisting if you want, that's all fine and well, but don't add that song t the list of bad lyrics or song writing on Chris or Max's behalf if you're criticizing. Just say "they shouldn't have covered that" or "why the hell did they pick that song" or "I don't like the original and I still don't like this one."

While I don't like everything about this record, I think it's solid but it's just not what a lot of people were expecting. Especially since Two Tongues made the mistake of putting up the similar feeling songs at first. That really sent the wrong message to people. This album should be praised for it's variety rather than it's lack of cohesiveness in my opinion.

There are times when Chris voice gets to harsh for no reason and there are times when Max is shouting and it's overdubbed 4 times and it's just like, why? But it doesn't ruin the record or any songs for me. There are some strange key/synth parts in some songs and I didn't like them at first but they grew on me.

Overall, I think that this review is MOST accurate if you love TBC and SWYA and don't like IR or UTB that much. It just does not deliver straight ahead, catchy tunes. It has tastes of it on "Wowee Zowee" and "Crawl" but the rest of the album is more adventurous and diverse than that and if that sort of thing doesn't interest you, then that's ok, but your def not going to like these kinds of songs coming out of these 2 songwriters. I think this album is going to disappoint a lot of people but I'm not one of them. I also think that A LOT of people are going to come back to this record at some point in the near future and it's going to click. NOT EVERYONE but a lot of people. I watched it happen with In Reverie and it's seriously like a repeat right watching this. It's amazing how many people have come around to that record. NOT EVERYONE but that album got shit on like I have never seen in my life from a band that was ready to explode. The forums were 75% haters and 20% accepters and 5% indifferent or undecided. And nowadays it's almost flip-flopped based on what I've seen of forums or song requests at shows or when non-pop punk bands talk about influences. We'll see. I like it and that matters most to me. If nobody else likes it then that's ok too and I respect your view and understand why.

[triangletrev]

I need more time with the album, but I like it so far. This review makes some good points though. Well done all around everybody.

[roberthuston]

really great review. i agree.

[gianttheandre]

Sometimes you just have like something for what it is. I do agree that the lyrics are not very good and the music isn't up to what these two bands usually create but if you get that out of your mindset I think it is pretty fantastic. If any other mediocre band made this album you would have liked it alot better. It is only a fail by the norm for these two bands.

I am enjoying it and trying not to think of it Say Anything + Saves The Day but rather a band on to its own.

Agreed. You have to realize this cd also isn't the main priority of the two singers. They're busy enough with their respective albums. I love both of their styles and I think they blended well enough

[Poochemist]

Oh, wow. I just ordered the album before reading this review. Wahh wahh.

[surviveanything]

i was so pumped for this. very disappointing. i think chris kinda takes over this album, it has more of a saves the day sound to it rather than a mix of both bands. i'll be looking foward to say anything's new album later this year as redemption for this record.

i still love you max and chris

[unnameworthy]

I feel much the same way about this album. And--I'm not a STD fan, so maybe I'm just uninitiated--how is it possible that Chris Conley shows such a range of vocal quality within one recording? He can go from pretty good to God-awful in a heartbeat on this record.

[brokenhats]

i like this record more because of the over-produced pop (punk?) albums that have been coming out, it is soothing to hear something thats a little harder to like...i cant tell if i sound stupid or not but its just how i feel right now, i dont think id like it as much if a lot of well written albums had just came out

[Loveisa4lttrwrd]

Do you know him? Are you his brother, sister, uncle, aunt, cousin, friend or lover? You're a hypocrite. From what I can see you too are making judgments based on a the character of someone you don't know. I just call it as I see it man.
How am I a hypocrite? I've made no ignorant judgment on Max Bemis as a person. Like I said if you are going to criticize the music then you better have an argument that is based in something more intelligent than some uneducated opinion of the singer.

[Yellowcard2006]

I think a lot of people really like the songs that I'm halfies on and hate the ones I love. Saves the Day is also my all-time favorite and I like the Say Anything debut and some of IDOTG and overall, I really like this album and am not disappointed at all.

I'm not here to criticize those who hate it or most of it, which is the majority at the moment but I did want to voice my opinion and that I don't agree with a lot of this review.

It seems like people are really geared towards the poppy upbeat or faster/harder hitting songs on this record but those are the ones that seem just OK to me. They didn't take me out of my boundries of music with a flavorful flare.

My favorites are "Alice" and "Try Not To Save Me". I strongly disagree with Drew on his description of "Alice" as a STA b-side. I would accept it more if he said UTB b-side. Sure the song is dark like a lot of the vibe of STA but the music is really not at all like it aside from atmosphere. The songs on STA are all very urgent and driving in that dark sense and musically, are mostly power chords and powerchord fragments with some dissonant contrasting chords from time to time. This song is dark but has quirky guitar note bends on a little sorta-notey guitar riff that opens up into a mid-tempo suspended chord chorus that has a good moving line in the bass while maintaining a strong, loose open chord section. The drums are tom-heavy and then straight ahead just like many of the songs darker songs on UTB and this song actually feels most like the opening title track of that record.

I also don't think the lyrics are as bad as everyone says. I don't think they're masterpieces at all but they are very straight forward and the whole record actually tells a very clear story about Max and Chris's introduction to each other, opening thoughts on each other, their friendship, and what it's become. It also explains very clearly how their friendship and respect for each other sort of mirrors elements of their relationship with their signifacant others and while it's not very poetic or profound, is acceptable and just fine TO ME. They are the most literal of Chris's lyrics since CSD and the most straight forward Max has written in a long time as well. Overall, I would say the lyrics are mediocre but still meaningful.

People have been bashing the last song too which I can't help but laugh at. That song is a WEEN cover! Complain about the tracklisting if you want, that's all fine and well, but don't add that song t the list of bad lyrics or song writing on Chris or Max's behalf if you're criticizing. Just say "they shouldn't have covered that" or "why the hell did they pick that song" or "I don't like the original and I still don't like this one."

While I don't like everything about this record, I think it's solid but it's just not what a lot of people were expecting. Especially since Two Tongues made the mistake of putting up the similar feeling songs at first. That really sent the wrong message to people. This album should be praised for it's variety rather than it's lack of cohesiveness in my opinion.

There are times when Chris voice gets to harsh for no reason and there are times when Max is shouting and it's overdubbed 4 times and it's just like, why? But it doesn't ruin the record or any songs for me. There are some strange key/synth parts in some songs and I didn't like them at first but they grew on me.

Overall, I think that this review is MOST accurate if you love TBC and SWYA and don't like IR or UTB that much. It just does not deliver straight ahead, catchy tunes. It has tastes of it on "Wowee Zowee" and "Crawl" but the rest of the album is more adventurous and diverse than that and if that sort of thing doesn't interest you, then that's ok, but your def not going to like these kinds of songs coming out of these 2 songwriters. I think this album is going to disappoint a lot of people but I'm not one of them. I also think that A LOT of people are going to come back to this record at some point in the near future and it's going to click. NOT EVERYONE but a lot of people. I watched it happen with In Reverie and it's seriously like a repeat right watching this. It's amazing how many people have come around to that record. NOT EVERYONE but that album got shit on like I have never seen in my life from a band that was ready to explode. The forums were 75% haters and 20% accepters and 5% indifferent or undecided. And nowadays it's almost flip-flopped based on what I've seen of forums or song requests at shows or when non-pop punk bands talk about influences. We'll see. I like it and that matters most to me. If nobody else likes it then that's ok too and I respect your view and understand why.
From what I've streamed I like it. In the end Reviews are really only useful to the person that wrote them. If you like something thats what really matters. I'm gonna pick this up on Tuesday regardless. Cause for this review there is another one somewhere else on the internet that praises the album.

[Fulltime Mike]

How am I a hypocrite? I've made no ignorant judgment on Max Bemis as a person. Like I said if you are going to criticize the music then you better have an argument that is based in something more intelligent than some uneducated opinion of the singer.
It's not an "ignorant judgment", it's my OPINION. We all have them, but apparently you won't allow it. As for criticizing the music, it wasn't based on my opinion of Max, its because Coby is a terrible drummer, and it sounds way to much like Say Anything, which in MY OPINION, is a terrible band. Now for the "how am I a hypocrite?", you're making the exact opposite judgments that I'm making. I just think Max is full of it and you just want Max to fill you with his..... well.

[drunklando]

i love chris

[Loveisa4lttrwrd]

It's not an "ignorant judgment", it's my OPINION. We all have them, but apparently you won't allow it. As for criticizing the music, it wasn't based on my opinion of Max, its because Coby is a terrible drummer, and it sounds way to much like Say Anything, which in MY OPINION, is a terrible band. Now for the "how am I a hypocrite?", you're making the exact opposite judgments that I'm making. I just think Max is full of it and you just want Max to fill you with his..... well.
Oh that was mature.

[Sic Transit Zeb]

It's not an "ignorant judgment", it's my OPINION. We all have them, but apparently you won't allow it. As for criticizing the music, it wasn't based on my opinion of Max, its because Coby is a terrible drummer, and it sounds way to much like Say Anything, which in MY OPINION, is a terrible band. Now for the "how am I a hypocrite?", you're making the exact opposite judgments that I'm making. I just think Max is full of it and you just want Max to fill you with his..... well.
Oh.


Still waiting on an actual good argument other than the bs that is "it's my opinion!" That argument holds not bounds because it literally means nothing.

For example.

It's my opinion the Sun is actually the Moon.....

Do you see what I'm saying? Just because it's 'my opinion' doesn't mean it actually holds any weight or has an intelligent thought behind it. I hate, hate, hearing "it's my opinon so whatever!' reasons.

So please, for me, think of something better. Thanks! :)

[Sic Transit Zeb]

I think a lot of people really like the songs that I'm halfies on and hate the ones I love. Saves the Day is also my all-time favorite and I like the Say Anything debut and some of IDOTG and overall, I really like this album and am not disappointed at all.

I'm not here to criticize those who hate it or most of it, which is the majority at the moment but I did want to voice my opinion and that I don't agree with a lot of this review.

It seems like people are really geared towards the poppy upbeat or faster/harder hitting songs on this record but those are the ones that seem just OK to me. They didn't take me out of my boundries of music with a flavorful flare.

My favorites are "Alice" and "Try Not To Save Me". I strongly disagree with Drew on his description of "Alice" as a STA b-side. I would accept it more if he said UTB b-side. Sure the song is dark like a lot of the vibe of STA but the music is really not at all like it aside from atmosphere. The songs on STA are all very urgent and driving in that dark sense and musically, are mostly power chords and powerchord fragments with some dissonant contrasting chords from time to time. This song is dark but has quirky guitar note bends on a little sorta-notey guitar riff that opens up into a mid-tempo suspended chord chorus that has a good moving line in the bass while maintaining a strong, loose open chord section. The drums are tom-heavy and then straight ahead just like many of the songs darker songs on UTB and this song actually feels most like the opening title track of that record.

I also don't think the lyrics are as bad as everyone says. I don't think they're masterpieces at all but they are very straight forward and the whole record actually tells a very clear story about Max and Chris's introduction to each other, opening thoughts on each other, their friendship, and what it's become. It also explains very clearly how their friendship and respect for each other sort of mirrors elements of their relationship with their signifacant others and while it's not very poetic or profound, is acceptable and just fine TO ME. They are the most literal of Chris's lyrics since CSD and the most straight forward Max has written in a long time as well. Overall, I would say the lyrics are mediocre but still meaningful.

People have been bashing the last song too which I can't help but laugh at. That song is a WEEN cover! Complain about the tracklisting if you want, that's all fine and well, but don't add that song t the list of bad lyrics or song writing on Chris or Max's behalf if you're criticizing. Just say "they shouldn't have covered that" or "why the hell did they pick that song" or "I don't like the original and I still don't like this one."

While I don't like everything about this record, I think it's solid but it's just not what a lot of people were expecting. Especially since Two Tongues made the mistake of putting up the similar feeling songs at first. That really sent the wrong message to people. This album should be praised for it's variety rather than it's lack of cohesiveness in my opinion.

There are times when Chris voice gets to harsh for no reason and there are times when Max is shouting and it's overdubbed 4 times and it's just like, why? But it doesn't ruin the record or any songs for me. There are some strange key/synth parts in some songs and I didn't like them at first but they grew on me.

Overall, I think that this review is MOST accurate if you love TBC and SWYA and don't like IR or UTB that much. It just does not deliver straight ahead, catchy tunes. It has tastes of it on "Wowee Zowee" and "Crawl" but the rest of the album is more adventurous and diverse than that and if that sort of thing doesn't interest you, then that's ok, but your def not going to like these kinds of songs coming out of these 2 songwriters. I think this album is going to disappoint a lot of people but I'm not one of them. I also think that A LOT of people are going to come back to this record at some point in the near future and it's going to click. NOT EVERYONE but a lot of people. I watched it happen with In Reverie and it's seriously like a repeat right watching this. It's amazing how many people have come around to that record. NOT EVERYONE but that album got shit on like I have never seen in my life from a band that was ready to explode. The forums were 75% haters and 20% accepters and 5% indifferent or undecided. And nowadays it's almost flip-flopped based on what I've seen of forums or song requests at shows or when non-pop punk bands talk about influences. We'll see. I like it and that matters most to me. If nobody else likes it then that's ok too and I respect your view and understand why.
I'm glad you put thought into your response. thanks.

[newfoundmichael]

I can't really say I was disappointed. I enjoyed this album quite a bit and I think everyone else would too if their expectations weren't so high. I understand a Chris Conley/Max Bemis project should get a lot of hype, but the build up for this project was just way to high from the beginning. This was a definite fun listen though.

[Moritz421]

Huge dissapointment.

[justletgo]

Their voices just don't click together like I thought they would. I guess my expectations were too high.

[WasteofPaint31]

I was really disappointed with Say Anything's most recent album
and I haven't enjoyed anything Saves the Day has put out since Stay What You Are.(I love Can't Slow Down, and Through Being Cool as well)

This review is delaying me from checking this out.

[Nick Le]

i enjoyed the album...i think i like the ones on their myspace (wowee, crawl, and if i could make you...) the most though.

[madam1888]

My $.02: I love 90% of Max's music and Chris has written several of my all time favorites, so I don't want to sound like I'm doubting them. I can only summarize my feeling on the cd by saying it didn't even come close to matching my sky-high expectations. It's a decent first record though, with 5 or 6 songs I'll keep on my iPod for the year. I basically went into it expecting to hear "Sorry Dudes, My Bad" 11 times, but the Under the Boards influenced songs killed it (in a bad way). STD hasn't been that great for me since Stay What You Are, but I always give them the benefit of the doubt. Max needs to start polishing his work more, I swear he's like Lil' Wayne about putting out songs every day or so. He spent like 3 years between Baseball and ...Is/Was a Real Boy, which was amazing. Look at his schedule from this fall; Two Tongues, the song store, Punk Goes Rap, guest spots for Forgive Durden & You, Me, & Everyone We Know, Say Anything responsibilities, and I very easily could be missing something...

On a side note, the lyrics created an unintentional homo-eroticism matched only by Bromance. The concept of one character with two tongues doesn't come across and it sounds like two dudes singing about a love affair. "Not that there is anything wrong with that."

Highlights: Wowee Zowee, If I Could Make You Do Things, Dead Lizard, Tremors, & Silly Game.

[minusthebrett]

this album is worth buying, but only if you are one of the people who is willing to listen to anything out of the mouth of chris conley, like i am.

[perceptrons]

I haven't listened to the more recent Saves the Day albums, and I didn't like the last Say Anything album, so I wasn't super hyped up about this release. Because of that, I think I find this far more enjoyable than others. Is it amazing? No. Is it a nice listen? Sure. I'm content with it.

[Fulltime Mike]

Oh.


Still waiting on an actual good argument other than the bs that is "it's my opinion!" That argument holds not bounds because it literally means nothing.

For example.

It's my opinion the Sun is actually the Moon.....

Do you see what I'm saying? Just because it's 'my opinion' doesn't mean it actually holds any weight or has an intelligent thought behind it. I hate, hate, hearing "it's my opinon so whatever!' reasons.

So please, for me, think of something better. Thanks! :)
True, but that's what music is about. There is no definition for good music you know. Everybody like's what they're gonna like. The sun and moon thing holds no weight because IT'S A FACT! A BAND YOU THINK IS GOOD ISN'T A FACT. We all like music, but who's to say any band is better then what you think is good. You just showed your opinion. There is no explanation. I think Max can't sing because it sounds like he try's way to hard, his lyrics are lame, I think the whole "mental" thing is beat and exaggerated, and his music isn't doing anything to expand music in general. That's my opinion. You may think other wise. Who's right? We'll never know.

P.S. Give me a valid argument about a band that you don't like. You know.. something intelligent, that's not your OPINION. ; )

[Fulltime Mike]

Oh that was mature.
It was called for. You're the one criticizing people for not like Max or anything YOU think is good. I read you other responses to people. You think your all knowing and all mighty.. well Jesus to be exact. In reality your opinion means nothing. My opinion means nothing. Music is going to be what it is. Music. People like it, people hate it. If someone doesn't like a band I like and criticizes it, no matter what the reason is, I don't lose sleep over it. Music is our way of expressing our thoughts, hopes, dreams, selves, etc, etc. So why should we tell people what and whom to like. Lets have our opinions and make music better, talk about what we like and don't like. It goes on everyday and good things happen. So stop trying to act like you have a better taste in music like your better then everyone and have all the answers, because it's not your taste I'm worried about and you certainly don't have all the answers.

[teej_1106]

I can understand how people would be disappointed in this album only because the expectations were enormous, but I got everything I wanted out of this release. I was ultra-excited when I first heard "Crawl" and ordered my copy as soon as the pre-order was posted, and now that I have it, it won't leave my car's stereo for some time. While this review might rip on "Even if You Don't," it is easily my favorite track on the record. I feel like the song showcases Max's playful, if not mischievous, musical workings. The song works on a lighter tone than the rest of the album does by incorporating some humor into an otherwise serious track-listing.

[Sic Transit Zeb]

True, but that's what music is about. There is no definition for good music you know. Everybody like's what they're gonna like. The sun and moon thing holds no weight because IT'S A FACT! A BAND YOU THINK IS GOOD ISN'T A FACT. We all like music, but who's to say any band is better then what you think is good. You just showed your opinion. There is no explanation. I think Max can't sing because it sounds like he try's way to hard, his lyrics are lame, I think the whole "mental" thing is beat and exaggerated, and his music isn't doing anything to expand music in general. That's my opinion. You may think other wise. Who's right? We'll never know.

P.S. Give me a valid argument about a band that you don't like. You know.. something intelligent, that's not your OPINION. ; )
I think you can easily say what band is better than the other by a generally accepted consensus.

I.E.

Two Tongues is better tahn Metro Station.

[teej_1106]

I can understand how people would be disappointed in this album only because the expectations were enormous, but I got everything I wanted out of this release. I was ultra-excited when I first heard "Crawl" and ordered my copy as soon as the pre-order was posted, and now that I have it, it won't leave my car's stereo for some time. While this review might rip on "Even if You Don't," it is easily my favorite track on the record. I feel like the song showcases Max's playful, if not mischievous, musical workings. The song works on a lighter tone than the rest of the album does by incorporating some humor into an otherwise serious track-listing.
Having just heard the original Ween version (I originally didn't know it was a cover - insert comment about me being dumb here) I might have to retract my statements. Although it's still funny, obviously it can't showcase much to anything about Max b/c he didn't right it. With that in mind, I'm going to continue to say that I'm still not disappointed in the album, but assert that I agree with what the most 'quality' songs are: Crawl, If I Could Make You Do Things, Tremors, and Wowee Zowee. I am going to throw this out there though: I enjoy 'Back Against the Wall' b/c it seems so out of place. The overt dance-y grooves are fun.

[Fulltime Mike]

I think you can easily say what band is better than the other by a generally accepted consensus.

I.E.

Two Tongues is better tahn Metro Station.
It's not fact, it's still opinion. So your saying F.O.B is one of the best bands out now because a lot of people like them? I don't like them, so I must be wrong, you know, since EVERYONE else thinks they're good. That's a terrible way to look at things. Just because a lot of people like them doesn't mean they put of good music. They're know what people want to hear and give it to them.

I'm not saying you like F.O.B., I'm just trying to prove my point.

[Sic Transit Zeb]

It's not fact, it's still opinion. So your saying F.O.B is one of the best bands out now because a lot of people like them? I don't like them, so I must be wrong, you know, since EVERYONE else thinks they're good. That's a terrible way to look at things. Just because a lot of people like them doesn't mean they put of good music. They're know what people want to hear and give it to them.

I'm not saying you like F.O.B., I'm just trying to prove my point.
you're missing the point.

I was making a point to say that general consensus is a way to define things. Not everything that is generally accepted is absolutely correct; however, it is a way to say some things are better than others.

I do like FOB though...I'll behonest.

[Nick_K99]

Massive dissapointment. Lyrically it is terrible and there's jst something missing from the songs. Crawl is a great song though

[geebee889]

I felt the same way...I liked a few songs, but then the rest were just kind of predictable...

[PoisonInMyVeins]

If you hate max bemis then you don't deserve to even visit this website let alone post here. FACT: Your opinion is RETARDED.
hahahahahahahahahahahahahaha

max bemis is a sorry excuse for a musician. fuck yourself, you little asshole.

[Colin!]

i don't know, i liked it a lot.

they had to do a lot of compromising, since they are two main song writers, therefore neither talent could be released fully.

AND we had REALLY high expectations.

i don't know. i think i have to get used to some of it. but i liked most songs.

[Colin!]

hahahahahahahahahahahahahaha

max bemis is a sorry excuse for a musician. fuck yourself, you little asshole.
you're a bitch, shut up.

[PoisonInMyVeins]

you're a bitch, shut up.
i'm sorry; it's so narrow minded of me to dislike something you like.

[yayitsjoe]

i was really disappointed with this album.

maybe i should give a couple more listens.

[yayitsjoe]

i'm sorry; it's so narrow minded of me to dislike something you like.


it's not that dude. you're just being an ass about it.

[JorynnRace]

I'm really glad that the review is so mediocre. It made me go into it with low expectations, and now? I love it. Ya'll can hate on it all you like, but I like this album more then the last Saves the Day record. There is some great nuanced guitar work in a few of the songs, and I really dig the drumming.

Hearing Conley on the last Say Anything album made me very sceptical of this "super group." I thought he stuck out like a sore thumb. But after hearing this record a couple times, it is really growing on me. One of my favorites so far this year.

[EchoPark]

Quote from Steves Review-awkward “ahh’s” from Conley makes this track one giant bucket of fail.

Edit: akward "ahhh's" and nonsensical garbage make this entire ALBUM one giant bucket of fail.


Chris Conley you have let me down.

[PoisonInMyVeins]

it's not that dude. you're just being an ass about it.
i wasn't to begin with, but it was unnecessary to tell me that my opinion is retarded because i don't like max bemis, who imo isn't that good, so i got pissed off.

[hectorial85]

I didn't realise so many people didn't like this album.

[Yellowcard2006]

Quote from Steves Review-awkward “ahh’s” from Conley makes this track one giant bucket of fail.

Edit: akward "ahhh's" and nonsensical garbage make this entire ALBUM one giant bucket of fail.


Chris Conley you have let me down.
What parts do you find nonsensical?

[alexiamaria]

I really cannot stand Max Bemis' voice.

[Mandeezy Geezy]

I thought it was a great album! No, it is not taxing or beautifully written, but it is fun and best of all, by the best 2 bands out there right now! I am not opposed to 2 great bands meshing to have a little jam session to make musical candies for our ears! Now, on the other side, I would say if it was an album just by one of the two bands, I would be a little disappointed. It is what it is, and I'll take it!

[streydogg]

I enjoy the album. It's a decent listen. Could have been a lot better though. I can't wait for the new STD album.

[A7XBlink]

Crawl, If I Could Make You Do Things, Dead Lizard, & Silly Games are the only good tracks, because Chris's voice gets annoying about after Silly Game. I am a huge Say Anything fan too, I hope the new albums from STD and SA are way better then this.

[bertinthesuburb]

After giving this album a second, third, forth listen. I must say i like it for the fact that its a fun and not trying to be too clever. I've never been a fan of Say Anything or Saves the Day, but it just hits the right notes for me.

[Yellowcard2006]

Crawl, If I Could Make You Do Things, Dead Lizard, & Silly Games are the only good tracks, because Chris's voice gets annoying about after Silly Game. I am a huge Say Anything fan too, I hope the new albums from STD and SA are way better then this.
You don't like Wowee Zowee ...you should.

[yayitsjoe]

i wasn't to begin with, but it was unnecessary to tell me that my opinion is retarded because i don't like max bemis, who imo isn't that good, so i got pissed off.


it would've been fine. but there's no need need to use words like "go fuck yourself, you little asshole."


i have no complaints about your opinion. if you don't like max bemis, you don't have to post in the thread about a band he's in.

[PoisonInMyVeins]

it would've been fine. but there's no need need to use words like "go fuck yourself, you little asshole."


i have no complaints about your opinion. if you don't like max bemis, you don't have to post in the thread about a band he's in.
well actually, i was posting mentioning that regardless of how i feel about him, the album wasn't as bad as i thought it would be. in actuality, i was being pretty peaceful about it and giving him credit, so don't tell me what i do and don't have to do. i cursed that kid off because he's what's wrong with the community here.

[Shattered Glass]

I don't understand all the hate; This album is catchy and Chris and Max's voices are amazing. Listen to Crawl, Wowee Zowee, and If I Could Make You Do Things.

[Broclee]

I don't understand all the hate; This album is catchy and Chris and Max's voices are amazing. Listen to Crawl, Wowee Zowee, and If I Could Make You Do Things.
Yeah, those are the best songs on the album...

[WhoSaidThat?]

Yeah, those are the best songs on the album...
As well as Dead Lizard.

[Broclee]

As well as Dead Lizard.
True.

[crowdediceb0x]

took me awhile to actually get this cd...but i love it.

[maker_break]

Don't get me wrong, I do enjoy a lot of songs as my review stated. I was just expecting more.
Being such a fan of both bands, you probably had really high expectations for this album. You were bound to be at least a little disappointed. Well, we still have the new Say Anything album to look forward to, right?

[yourcrapsweak]

I was so disappointed with this album. For who made it, it should be the greatest album of all time. This band has the potential to end the world with amazingness but they totally ruined it.