Anthony Green vs. Max Bemis?

[AlexEnglish]

I had an argument with one of my friends the other day.
He's an Anthony Green Fanatic.
Im a Max Bemis freak.
We both had many valid arguments.
I conceded and admitted Anthony had him beat as a vocalist,
But Bemis pwnd in lyrics and musicianship.
Sure, Anthony Green has more experiance,
But i think Bemis has more influence.
Green has raised 3 bands to fame (Saosin, Circa Surive, Zolof)
Bemis has released several albums with ridiculous amounts of tracks, including guest vocals from the likes of Green himself, Chris Conly, Gerard Way, Hailey Williams, Chris Carrabba, Anthony Raneri, and Aaron Gillepsie. Not to mention his current rising project of Two Tongues.

Who do YOU think is a better pick?

[jtsnazzy]

You forgot TSOAF for green.

[JimGray]

Both are extremely over-rated, but Max Bemis is a piece of shit, so Green wins.

And Anthony didn't really do much with Zolof if I remember correctly.

[fightoffyrdmns]

Both are extremely over-rated, but Max Bemis is a piece of shit, so Green wins.

And Anthony didn't really do much with Zolof if I remember correctly.

I was thinking of getting my thoughts into words, and then you posted this.

[JimGray]

I was thinking of getting my thoughts into words, and then you posted this.

Is that an agreement?

If so, word.

[oddwithoutend]

I don't like anything Green has done, so Bemis wins.

[Regards]

Both are extremely over-rated, but Max Bemis is a piece of shit, so Green wins.

And Anthony didn't really do much with Zolof if I remember correctly.
Yup.

[popdisaster00]

Both are extremely over-rated, but Max Bemis is a piece of shit, so Green wins.

And Anthony didn't really do much with Zolof if I remember correctly.
Backed

[JimGray]

Yup.

Backed

Word. =]

[underthetalking]

I cannot stand Anthony Green's voice.

Bemis has released one album that I've thoroughly enjoyed so he wins by default.

[nkalldayyy]

both.

[Kid B]

I cannot stand Anthony Green's voice.

Bemis has released one album that I've thoroughly enjoyed so he wins by default.
This.

[theguy77]

I cannot stand Anthony Green's voice.

Bemis has released one album that I've thoroughly enjoyed so he wins by default.

oh so your name is +1? mine too!

[fightoffyrdmns]

Is that an agreement?

If so, word.

Yeah, you phrased it better than I could've is what I was getting at.

[TheOtherAndrew]

Bemis

[HangsLikeHeaven]

lolllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllll lllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllll lllllllllllllllllllllllllllllll

[HangsLikeHeaven]

Bemis for IARB

[underthetalking]

oh so your name is +1? mine too!

:bow:

[theguy77]

Bemis for IARB

another +1!

this is the only answer.

[Miss Heartcore]

I don't care for either but if I had to choose....probably Bemis. Anthony Green was terrible when I saw him acoustic a year ago.

[jtsnazzy]

I don't think Bemis can sing for shit. It must be the tongue thing that everyone loves.

[MADSTA]

I only like Green's solo work, and I love Say Anything.
Bemis wins for me.

[theguy77]

hahahaha, that tongue thing bemis does when he sings live

yeah hes not a technically good singer but i liked the raspy and charismatic voice he had for IARB

[Renee]

Bemis for IARB
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[Getup and Dance]

Both suck

[B-Bones]

Anthony's melodies are far superior to Max's. I think his crazy melodies are half the reason I like him.

[jtsnazzy]

_DTfbIRAH-A

It has to be the tongue.

[c_rob2700]

Bemis. Hands down for me.

Could never get into Circa or any of his other projects and considering I'm a big Say Anything fan, this one was easy

[underthetalking]

This is better than any Circa Survive song.

Yz7TD9FpRTw

[c_rob2700]

lol

[B-Bones]

Never understood the hate for Circa. They're one of me and all my friends' favorite bands so it's weird to see em gettin hated on all the time here. I guess people in California must just dig em a lot.

[theguy77]

mr. indie does NOT approve. :nono:

[IWasaCamera]

I couldn't name nor recognize one Green-related song so I'll go with him.

[theguy77]

hahahahah

vinh i actually think you might dislike anthony green MORE than max bemis

[Klatzke]

A lot of people like Green, but I've never understood it. He just has an unbelievably high voice. I vote neither though.

[Kneeka]

IARB is the only thing that I can stand from Bemis. Green's solo work/Circa proves to me that he is better. But, I rather neither of them sing.

[Miss Heartcore]

I really didn't know about this tongue thing but I'm sure it will bother me from here on out.

[Until The Bombs]

Green did not raise Zolof to fame.

[HangsLikeHeaven]

mr. indie does NOT approve. :nono:

lol mr. indie? didn't you start listening to iron & wine 2 months ago?

[theguy77]

lol mr. indie? didn't you start listening to iron & wine 2 months ago?

inside joke. b-bones called me mr. indie in a thread because i acknowledged the extent of arcade fire's mainstream success and also acknowledged that scene kids enjoy brand new.

however dont be condescending, iron & wine's been a favorite for the past year.

[llwilliamsll]

There are no winners between the two. And what is this tongue shit about?

[theguy77]

max sticks his tongue out when he sings

[llwilliamsll]

Ohh. Kind of like Michael Jordan when he shoots/dunks.

[theguy77]

yeah but michael jordan looks infinitely cooler doing it

[llwilliamsll]

That is the damn truth

[Samc1803]

Both of them have their respective followings, but I'm gonna have to go with Green. His voice and lyrics are just more appealing to me. And that tongue thing just messes with my head, now that I've seen it.

[fightoffyrdmns]

I feel like I am the only one that doesn't understand the IARB love.

It's not from lack of listening, I just have never grown to like it.

[pseudonym28]

anthony green wins

bemis is just ok

[xJesusFreakx]

I can't get into Say Anything; they just kind of annoy me, to be honest. Two Tongues didn't impress me either. So, Max isn't very high up in my mind.

As for Anthony, I find Circa Survive to be rather overrated, and I prefer Cove's voice in Saosin over his. The Sound of Animals Fighting is pretty sweet, though, and I don't mind his solo music. Thus, Anthony > Max, at least in my opinion.

[voncorn]

Max Bemis.

[Divinehand]

No one cares vs. No one cares.

[funkel]

Tom Petty.

[thesafeword]

I listened to Translating the Name and Tiger & the Duke for the first time in almost a year last night, brings me back a year, haha. On the topic of this, both are extremely over rated by scenester kids, under rated by elitists, but are overall just mediocre and they aren't really compareable.

[bombsquadjunky]

Never understood the hate for Circa. They're one of me and all my friends' favorite bands so it's weird to see em gettin hated on all the time here. I guess people in California must just dig em a lot.

Nah people way up in Vermont have love for Circa too. I've always liked Circa over Say Anything, and I think that Green's lyrics are far superior to anything Bemis has done.

[viva la cymche!]

They're on the exact same level of over-rated, that they're almost the same person. Singing in a very high range does not make a good vocalist. Maybe if he did more with his voice, he would be more interesting. Plus, Bemis might be a good songwriter (barely), but, I don't think Say Anything is a good band. They have a lot of good songs, but they're realeases never hit me in the way it hits others. Plus, I had to listen to that entire double disc album in the car, and the only track I that stands out (besides the one with Conley featured) was We Killed It, the, or one of the, shortest songs on the record.

Summary: They both suck.

[Twizx]

Green, Max Bemis isn't talented and in that video where he discussed "emo" he just became a huge douchebag to me.

[HoldThatSound]

I'd have to say Green.

[Rodeo]

Max would win in a cage fight.

[theguy77]

hahaha max would beat the fuck out of that shrimp, i cant think of a single frontman in that genre who could take max.

[fly_guy]

I wish I had friends who knew who Anthony Green is........and Max Bemis........

[about3fitty]

this isnt even close. anthony wins in a landslide

[BJW7191]

bemis should have gotten hit by a steam roller as a child

[Rodeo]

I wish I had friends who knew who Anthony Green is........and Max Bemis........


You do!



:wave:

[theguy77]

haha rodeo, you're so friendly

[llwilliamsll]

It makes me sick!

[fadedmemories]

I like both but Bemis wins because of IARB.

[fly_guy]

You do!



:wave:

Awhh, too nice! :-)

[Inaction]

Greeeeeennnn

[ImARealBoy]

Max Bemis.

[trappedintime]

this isnt even close. anthony wins in a landslide

This.

[batmannj]

i really like in defense of the genre and the way that max delivers many of the lines, and his lyrics are cooler. therefore i give it to max

[live.]

Bemis is a much more creative songwriter IMO. I wasn't feeling Avalon

[WhitestKidUKnow]

Green wins. Considerably.

[-ben]

Listen to TTN. No more needs to be said.

[Rodeo]

haha rodeo, you're so friendly

It makes me sick!


I'll fight you both! AND Max will be on my side! :-d

[Charles777]

I think Green wins. Gotta love TSOAF

[JustSway]

I think Green has one of the worst voices in modern music, I can't stand it. Bemis gets my vote.

[about3fitty]

i really like in defense of the genre and the way that max delivers many of the lines, and his lyrics are cooler. therefore i give it to max

his lyrics are cooler? what does that even mean?

[AlexEnglish]

Green did not raise Zolof to fame.
take that up with my friend.
i didnt defend green in the slightest so i guess thats just one less point to green, if you want to look at it that way.

[Circa1628]

They are too different to compare.

[about3fitty]

I think Green has one of the worst voices in modern music, I can't stand it. Bemis gets my vote.

you think max has a good voice?

[JustSway]

you think max has a good voice?

Its better than Greens, his voice grates on me after about 30 seconds.

[about3fitty]

Its better than Greens, his voice grates on me after about 30 seconds.

haha noooo how can you say that! i cant listen to say anything for too long or else max's voice gets to me. to each his own i guess.

[Circa1628]

I think they are both great in a very, very, different way

[Dr. Acula]

For the sake of playing this game, Bemis.

[just.Starla.]

Bemis

[chipdip18]

Nick Torres > Both.

He does lyrically and singingly (i make up words when i want) what Bemis and Green try to do but much better.

[bombsquadjunky]

bemis should have gotten hit by a steam roller as a child

This. I can't stand any of the music Bemis has ever made. His lyrics to me are just stupid, and he's not that great of a vocalist.

[HangsLikeHeaven]

inside joke. b-bones called me mr. indie in a thread because i acknowledged the extent of arcade fire's mainstream success and also acknowledged that scene kids enjoy brand new.

however dont be condescending, iron & wine's been a favorite for the past year.

rgr

[theguy77]

what?

"really good read"?

[LovetheMemories]

i loved saosin with green.

although i saw circa live once and green pranced around in a dress and sang about half a song.

[Circa1628]

I have heard mixed things about Green live with Circa

[Treblinkah414]

haha, didn't realize how big the hate was/is for these guys.
I personally love both, but I'd have to go with Bemis.
I prefer both his lyrics and voice, and I love the tongue thing, haha.

[thesafeword]

I love the tongue thing.
Whaaaaaaaaaat?

[batmannj]

his lyrics are cooler? what does that even mean?
i enjoy his lyrics better.

[CarryOn09]

I have heard mixed things about Green live with Circa
im seeing them next friday so i'll tell you from a firsthand account

i think that while max bemis is a fantastic writer and i enjoy say anything immensely, they dont have nearly the originality that circa (and via that anthony green) has. so my points go to AG.

plus it helps that he rocks the stubble better than bemis.

[GuitarR0cker1]

Max Bemis fo' sho'. I enjoy a few songs from IDOTG and love IARB so it is a landslide against someone who's voice I find very annoying.

[chipdip18]

Nick Torres > Both.

He does lyrically and singingly (i make up words when i want) what Bemis and Green try to do but much better.


This guy is so smart and right.

[Treblinkah414]

Whaaaaaaaaaat?


_DTfbIRAH-A

It has to be the tongue.



..not sure if I did the whole multi-quote thing right

[thesafeword]

It just sounded sexual.

[TachyonEvan]

Max Bemis wins this hands-down, are you kidding?

[BJW7191]

This. I can't stand any of the music Bemis has ever made. His lyrics to me are just stupid, and he's not that great of a vocalist.


i kinda like where your heads at

he is a terrible song writter/ vocalist/musician

[thesafeword]

Max Bemis wins this hands-down, are you kidding?
Are you kidding? It's a tie, both are mediocre and over-rated, but still make some decent music, at least for me.

[TachyonEvan]

Are you kidding? It's a tie, both are mediocre and over-rated, but still make some decent music, at least for me.

Um. Anthony Green sounds like a girl.

[thesafeword]

Um. Anthony Green sounds like a girl.
Let me guess, you think that Admit It!!! is one of the best songs ever?

[TachyonEvan]

Let me guess, you think that Admit It!!! is one of the best songs ever?

Not gonna lie, it's a powerful indictment of the entire hipster movement. Pretty fucking awesome.

And I love Circa Survive. But Anthony Green could have a vagina, and nobody would notice.

[BJW7191]

Um. Anthony Green sounds like a girl.
max bemis is a girl

[thesafeword]

Not gonna lie, it's a powerful indictment of the entire hipster movement. Pretty fucking awesome.

And I love Circa Survive. But Anthony Green could have a vagina, and nobody would notice.
I knew it, all of these kids on here think that Say Anything is just a mediocre band until they hear Admit It!!!, then all of the sudden IARB is the greatest album ever.

[TachyonEvan]

max bemis is a girl

He has a beard. :-D.

[BJW7191]

so... ive seen chicks who work at diners with more facial hair than santa... that dont mean shit

[TachyonEvan]

I knew it, all of these kids on here think that Say Anything is just a mediocre band until they hear Admit It!!!, then all of the sudden IARB is the greatest album ever.

IDOTG is MUCH better.

And Admit It!!! wasn't the song that got me into them. I bought IARB the first time I heard "Alive With The Glory Of Love"

[TachyonEvan]

so... ive seen chicks who work at diners with more facial hair than santa... that dont mean shit

He's a manly manly man.

[thesafeword]

IDOTG is MUCH better.
Yeah, that pretty much confirms your knowledge and taste in music.

[BJW7191]

He's a manly manly man.


wrong... if i could, i would cheese grate his face


i can only think of 2 people in the music world i hate equally


nickleback (i made them one person)

and kurt cobain

[TachyonEvan]

Yeah, that pretty much confirms your knowledge and taste in music.

It was Jason Tate's album of 2007.

[ThisIsNotDan]

Max wins no question for me

[Jumpoff]

It was Jason Tate's album of 2007.

I did laugh at this (thought his album of 08 and 07 both were kinda trash) but ignore TheSafeWord.

[Duexy]

max bemis is doo doo

[about3fitty]

I have heard mixed things about Green live with Circa

i've seen them a ton of times and everyone in the band is always on point

[Jumpoff]

The answer to this thread is Oli Sykes, right?

[JimGray]

The answer to this thread is Eazy-E, right?

fixed*

[thesafeword]

It was Jason Tate's album of 2007.
No offense to Jason, but just because he likes something doesn't mean it's a great album. IDOTG had very few great songs and a lot of filler with tons of cheap cameos.

[CarryOn09]

admit it is one of the most hilarious songs ever

[theguy77]

I knew it, all of these kids on here think that Say Anything is just a mediocre band until they hear Admit It!!!, then all of the sudden IARB is the greatest album ever.

not true i liked it from belt, yellow cat, and chia-like, all the songs were just well written musically and the vocal/lyrical style was different from what i was used to

[thesafeword]

not true i liked it from belt, yellow cat, and chia-like, all the songs were just well written musically and the vocal/lyrical style was different from what i was used to
I'm talking about 13-16 year-old, sub 1,500 group.

[BJW7191]

max bemis is the fucking anti-christ

[jtsnazzy]

max bemis is the fucking anti-christ

I have to agree.

[silentstar1134]

I like both Anthony Green and Max Bemis, but I can't resist Max. He is the fucking man. Say Anything "is a real boy.." will forever be one of my favorite albums. By the way, Circa Survive >Saosin...sorry...

[thesafeword]

I like both Anthony Green and Max Bemis, but I can't resist Max. He is the fucking man. Say Anything "is a real boy.." will forever be one of my favorite albums. By the way, Circa Survive >Saosin...sorry...
TTN>Juturna>Tiger & the Duke>On Letting Go>Lover...>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>everything and anything Saosin has done without Green. Cove is shit.

[jtsnazzy]

Tiger and the duke has the best quality tracks but there isn't enough quantity, the fillers are pretty weak. I find his voice more enjoyable when he's not trying to be a feminist hippy and just belts it out. Pretty much the only anthony green stuff that I listen to regularly.

[CarryOn09]

TTN>Juturna>Tiger & the Duke>On Letting Go>Lover...>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>everything and anything Saosin has done without Green. Cove is shit.
yup.

[batmannj]

TTN>Juturna>Tiger & the Duke>On Letting Go>Lover...>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>everything and anything Saosin has done without Green. Cove is shit.
i am not wild about saosin with cove, but i dont think its that bad.

other than that the order the albums in looks right to me.

[batmannj]

you think max has a good voice?
well, uh, if you would have read his post, he said he like Bemis better. and I for one, think that Bemis has a good voice.

[TheBestBet]

IDOTG is MUCH better.



No way man. Not even close.

[kearn1tm]

Gonorrhea vs. Chlamydia

[about3fitty]

well, uh, if you would have read his post, he said he like Bemis better. and I for one, think that Bemis has a good voice.

well, uh, if you would have read his post, he said anthony has one of the worst voices in music (wrong) so bemis got his vote. i wasnt aware that if you think something is better than the worst then that means you think its good.

[bombsquadjunky]

i kinda like where your heads at

he is a terrible song writter/ vocalist/musician

Why thank you.
Yeah, I just can't stand anything that I've heard with Bemis in it including the Two Tongues album.
Green to me is just a better writer with lyrics that are much more thought provoking. And on the same note I think that musically Circa is better too, as they're far more moody and diverse. If you look at a song like Stop the Fucking Car, the entire song is a build-up,and then it just ends. Fucking brilliant.

[BJW7191]

im not a fan of green, but i bought juturna and i liked it

but bemis is a douche

his mom shoulda been a heavy smoker during pregnancy

[bombsquadjunky]

im not a fan of green, but i bought juturna and i liked it

but bemis is a douche

his mom shoulda been a heavy smoker during pregnancy

Haha, I have agreed so far with everything you've said in this thread.
I am a Circa fan personally (thus the On Letting Go avatar), but even if I wasn't, I just can't stand Bemis. His song WOW (I Can Get Sexual Too) or whatever is simply awful, and while he may be a nice person (I don't really know, nor do I care to know I guess), the songs he writes make me want to incur a large amount of wrath onto him.

[BJW7191]

he is a douche... like reading his letter in response to tim kinsella (search function it) made me realise how much of a miserable cunt he is and how much i actually detest him

[bombsquadjunky]

he is a douche... like reading his letter in response to tim kinsella (search function it) made me realise how much of a miserable cunt he is and how much i actually detest him

It took me a little bit but I finally found it (sorry it's sort of late and I'm not functioning right), and wow.
I don't understand how he has the audacity to yell at this guy about something that he got published that I'm sure is purely all opinion. Uptight a little?
I think so.

[BJW7191]

yeah

plus tim kinsella is just being tongue in cheek

mexbemis has to be a tard and try to be all "im a hero" blahblahblah


fuck max bemis

i hope he lurks and reads this "hey max, youre a douche"

[bombsquadjunky]

yeah

plus tim kinsella is just being tongue in cheek

mexbemis has to be a tard and try to be all "im a hero" blahblahblah


fuck max bemis

i hope he lurks and reads this "hey max, youre a douche"

Seconded. And Green is much better than you'll ever be.

[thesafeword]

Haha, I have agreed so far with everything you've said in this thread.
I am a Circa fan personally (thus the On Letting Go avatar), but even if I wasn't, I just can't stand Bemis. His song WOW (I Can Get Sexual Too) or whatever is simply awful, and while he may be a nice person (I don't really know, nor do I care to know I guess), the songs he writes make me want to incur a large amount of wrath onto him.
You're going to judge Say Anything and Bemis on that one song, which isn't even that bad, and completely ignore the rest of the stuff they've done? Don't get me wrong, Bemis is no genius, neither is Green, but Say Anything is a pretty decent band.

[dissident]

bemis. green is a better singer in the technical sense, but his voice can be extremely grating. plus bemis is a much cooler person, there's nothing wrong with acknowledging your better than some people when you actually are.

[dissident]

not true i liked it from belt, yellow cat, and chia-like, all the songs were just well written musically and the vocal/lyrical style was different from what i was used to

woe is what sealed the deal for me. coming up with the ending to that song is proof of genius.

[about3fitty]

bemis. green is a better singer in the technical sense, but his voice can be extremely grating. plus bemis is a much cooler person, there's nothing wrong with acknowledging your better than some people when you actually are.

based on what?

[dissident]

interviews, both video and in print. i understand how he's off putting, but so am i and i respond positively to his "arrogance" and find that artists who genuinely seem to have some skill and talent and recognize that in themselves have more true down to earth qualities. it's the same reason i don't get mad at bono for making out there comments about u2 and himself being a rock star and king of the world, because he's fucking BONO and they sell out any place they play no matter the size on this planet in a matter of minutes and clearly have the artistic integritiy to back it up.

[about3fitty]

interviews, both video and in print. i understand how he's off putting, but so am i and i respond positively to his "arrogance" and find that artists who genuinely seem to have some skill and talent and recognize that in themselves have more true down to earth qualities. it's the same reason i don't get mad at bono for making out there comments about u2 and himself being a rock star and king of the world, because he's fucking BONO and they sell out any place they play no matter the size on this planet in a matter of minutes and clearly have the artistic integritiy to back it up.

someone is probably going to rip into you for thinking youre comparing max to bono. have you ever read or watched any videos with anthony? now that is a cool dude, doesnt take himself too seriously. he is just a great guy who doesn't put himself above anyone else and is really good with fans and people around him. i dont think im understanding what youre saying, max is arrogant and down to earth at the same time?

[dissident]

i'm not comparing his talent to bono, i'm comparing his attitude. and that might not even be accurate i've been drinking. but if you read that again, i'm saying my definition of down to earth is different than most. i'ts great to be humble and all, but sometimes there's something great to be said about someone who recognizes that they have talent and are smarter than most of the idiotic fucks surrounding him in this worthless "scene". i know nothing about how bemis treats his fans, and if he's a dick in that regard there's no defense for that. but, he's clearly an extremely an intelligent person, has catchy melodies and lyrical hooks oozing out of him and he knows it. i find nothing wrong with being self aware, especially when oneself is talented. now granted if you don't find him talented or think his music sucks you're going to find his personality coupled with that just that much more irritating. biut i don't know what to tell you if you don't like IARB

[fadedmemories]

I like both Anthony Green and Max Bemis, but I can't resist Max. He is the fucking man. Say Anything "is a real boy.." will forever be one of my favorite albums. By the way, Circa Survive >Saosin...sorry...
Obviously.

[about3fitty]

i'm not comparing his talent to bono, i'm comparing his attitude. and that might not even be accurate i've been drinking. but if you read that again, i'm saying my definition of down to earth is different than most. i'ts great to be humble and all, but sometimes there's something great to be said about someone who recognizes that they have talent and are smarter than most of the idiotic fucks surrounding him in this worthless "scene". i know nothing about how bemis treats his fans, and if he's a dick in that regard there's no defense for that. but, he's clearly an extremely an intelligent person, has catchy melodies and lyrical hooks oozing out of him and he knows it. i find nothing wrong with being self aware, especially when oneself is talented. now granted if you don't find him talented or think his music sucks you're going to find his personality coupled with that just that much more irritating. biut i don't know what to tell you if you don't like IARB

oh no i know what you were saying about the bono thing. i was just saying other people might jump on you for it because they wont really look at what you mean. i kind of get what youre saying now but max always just seemed like a douche to me. there is a fine line between recognizing your own talent and coming off as an asshole. and its not that i dont really like say anything but after a little while i just get irritated by his voice and some of the lyrics are kind of blah to me. im a big fan of anthony and circa so im always going to make an argument for them no matter what.

[dissident]

and vise versa for me and say anything so that's cool. i'm just naturally irritated by guys who sing in a range that is clearly unnatural and i wonder how they even discovered they could hold a pitch that high. not to mention, that even if it a was female with that same voice i think his tone is terrible and distracting and take away from his genuine knack for lyrics and melody.

[about3fitty]

at least you can have a decent conversation about this. so many other people would just flip out and get all AP.net about it. i dont even think of anthony's voice as being that high anymore. the first time i heard it i liked it so i guess its just one of those things that is either something you like or something you dont. one of things i really like with the release of avalon is that those lyrics are easy to understand on the surface and are nice and simple but still sound great. and then with circa you really have to read into them and put your own spin on the meaning. he can pull it off both ways and i think a lot of people would struggle with that.

[Tristan Needler]

I can't stand Anthony Green's voice, and I love ...Is a Real Boy.

[fadedmemories]

Green's lyrics are just so beyond Bemis'

[theguy77]

anthony's vocal range isn't "unnatural" its just unusual, hes an upper-end tenor I which is still a guy range. the reason it sounds higher than everyone else is because most tenor I's dont really belt out at the top of their range very often at all cause they dont need to; in these kinds of music, the louder chorus melodies are typically written in the upper ranges of a baritone or tenor II, which happens to be closer to the middle of a tenor I's range. you'd be surprised but actually adam lazzara of TBS has the same vocal range as anthony green, and he proves it in the song "one-eighty by summer" -- hes singing the same notes anthony sings in his songs. the only thing is adam doesnt belt that much while anthony is belting all the time, and anthony's voice is a bit thinner than adam's. other examples "in the scene" are chris carraba of dashboard, lead singer of the used, claudio of coheed and cambria (although hes worse than anthony is with the whole "thin voice" thing).

it should be noted that i havent listened to any of those latter 3 examples since i was maybe 13 years old. hahaha

[chipdip18]

Nick Torres > both.

[fadedmemories]

anthony's vocal range isn't "unnatural" its just unusual, hes an upper-end tenor I which is still a guy range. the reason it sounds higher than everyone else is because most tenor I's dont really belt out at the top of their range very often at all cause they dont need to; in these kinds of music, the louder chorus melodies are typically written in the upper ranges of a baritone or tenor II, which happens to be closer to the middle of a tenor I's range. you'd be surprised but actually adam lazzara of TBS has the same vocal range as anthony green, and he proves it in the song "one-eighty by summer" -- hes singing the same notes anthony sings in his songs. the only thing is adam doesnt belt that much while anthony is belting all the time, and anthony's voice is a bit thinner than adam's. other examples "in the scene" are chris carraba of dashboard, lead singer of the used, claudio of coheed and cambria (although hes worse than anthony is with the whole "thin voice" thing).

it should be noted that i havent listened to any of those latter 3 examples since i was maybe 13 years old. hahaha
True

[theguy77]

Haha, I have agreed so far with everything you've said in this thread.
I am a Circa fan personally (thus the On Letting Go avatar), but even if I wasn't, I just can't stand Bemis. His song WOW (I Can Get Sexual Too) or whatever is simply awful, and while he may be a nice person (I don't really know, nor do I care to know I guess), the songs he writes make me want to incur a large amount of wrath onto him.

hahaha why the fuck would you judge say anything completely from a song that was clearly written as a parody of modern mainstream pop music? you can even tell by the video that the song is a complete joke. its an enjoyable pop song too regardless. but it should be noted that that album (IARB) is the only one i consider to be worthwhile by say anything, they're really just a scene band who struck gold and made one really good album of quality that they'll never reproduce.

that said, anthony's definitely the cooler guy. i met him before their show with thrice and he was just so down to earth and chill, i was pretty surprised. i had never been a circa fan and i really wasnt much afterward but after meeting him and seeing just how much charisma he had on stage, how much he could get the crowd into it, i mean it just added a set of balls to that high voice (along with his scruffle of facial hair, lol) and made me realize that anthony green is a fuckin' MAN. meanwhile max has a really loud mouth and is always trying to say something poignant to gain publicity and you can tell he just thinks really highly of himself and thinks hes more important to music than he actually is. yeah, you wrote a sweet album, get over yourself you're not preserving a scene or leading a movement.

[JustSway]

This thread has inspired me to listen to more Say Anything, thanks everyone!

[Tristan Needler]

This thread has inspired me to listen to more Say Anything, thanks everyone!
Haha this has made me want to listen to ...Is a Real Boy too. It's the only album of theirs I really like, but I love it.

[JustSway]

...Is a Real Boy is an exceptionally good album I think. IDOTG didn't really grab me. I love the tone to Bemis' voice.

[Lueda Alia]

I don't like either of them.

[Undue Noise]

Bemis > Green

[KyleMcr]

I prefer Bemis

[bombsquadjunky]

hahaha why the fuck would you judge say anything completely from a song that was clearly written as a parody of modern mainstream pop music? you can even tell by the video that the song is a complete joke. its an enjoyable pop song too regardless. but it should be noted that that album (IARB) is the only one i consider to be worthwhile by say anything, they're really just a scene band who struck gold and made one really good album of quality that they'll never reproduce.

that said, anthony's definitely the cooler guy. i met him before their show with thrice and he was just so down to earth and chill, i was pretty surprised. i had never been a circa fan and i really wasnt much afterward but after meeting him and seeing just how much charisma he had on stage, how much he could get the crowd into it, i mean it just added a set of balls to that high voice (along with his scruffle of facial hair, lol) and made me realize that anthony green is a fuckin' MAN. meanwhile max has a really loud mouth and is always trying to say something poignant to gain publicity and you can tell he just thinks really highly of himself and thinks hes more important to music than he actually is. yeah, you wrote a sweet album, get over yourself you're not preserving a scene or leading a movement.


Ah I knew that was the wrong song to go with, as you are right. I have heard other songs (just to clear that up that I'm in no way judging them on one song because that would be stupid), and I didn't care for anything else as I thought it lacking in creativity and imagination, which is what Green's lyrics are full of.

And that's the problem I have too. I've listened to some of IARB and I don't really understand the hype. I guess it's all personal preference, but I think it was overhyped by a lot of people, and didn't live up to my expectations of what a good album should be, whereas both Circa albums (On Letting Go not so much) have been amazing.

[nicolecabadooo]

Bemis

[nicolecabadooo]

I couldn't even get through all the bull shit people have written about Bemis, this is exactly why he stands behind his lyrics/ thoughts. Most who wrote all worthless garbage about WOW ICGST wouldn't think twice about giving Say Anything a listen. DO IT, you won't be disappointed. bemis.

[TachyonEvan]

Bemis is a man.

[murrich]

Both tie for the best artist in the world.

[ThisIsNotDan]

Green is one of the most overrated vocalists/musicians in the scene, bar none, as good as Juturna is

Bemis, at the very least, made Is A Real Boy, which is an awesome record. the rest is eh.

Bemis wins

[fadedmemories]

IARB>On Letting Go>IDOTG>TTN>Juturna

[Danny Schme]

Words can not describe how mush I dislike Say Anything and how "witty" people think Max Bemis is...

Anthony Green all day in this case.

[4nthony!]

Bemis is an ass but rules
and im pretty sure green is an ass but also rules.


I personally like both and why is everyone hating on Anthony's voice?

[samzillaholla]

one word:
juturna.

[Use me!]

Apathetic.

I always thought ...IARB was mostly a self-criticism of Max Bemis. But I guess I interpreted it wrong because nobody thinks that, at all. If Bemis is really that big of a douche, Green wins by default.

[Duexy]

anthony green any day

[PenThrive]

Anthony Green.

I like Bemis too, but Green just does it for me lyrically/vocally.

[MouseMinusMars!]

Oh.. oh god! green just murked bemis all over the place.. I mean it's everywhere.

[spacebug]

BEMIS lyrical mastermind.

[Burn That Shit]

lol

[prefix-core]

...I don't see how this can even be a discussion. They're both in completely different bands with completely different sounds. They both sing in a completely different fashion.

They're lyrical stylings aren't even similar.

[tawtaw]

It's gotta be Bemis.

Also I don't see where people are getting the idea that he's a dick from.

[TomWhaley]

Anthony Green. How is this even serious? His vocal range is out of this world. He has such control over his voice as well. Great lyrics. The whole package. My little sister once put on Say Anything's self titled on in my car. I had to take it out. It was so goofy and cheesy. Especially that song Hate Everyone.

[TomWhaley]

Words can not describe how mush I dislike Say Anything and how "witty" people think Max Bemis is...

Anthony Green all day in this case.

+1000000812545.7

[BornUnderPunches]

I can't stand Anthony Green's voice, and I love ...Is a Real Boy.

Haha this has made me want to listen to ...Is a Real Boy too. It's the only album of theirs I really like, but I love it.

mhmm.

[Jennurna Gray]

Green


I also disagree that Bemis is better with lyrics.

[White]

Anthony by a wide margin.

The margin would not have been as wide, mind you, if Say Anything's S/T wasn't such a turd.

[Shaymojack]

It's gotta be Bemis.

Also I don't see where people are getting the idea that he's a dick from.
This. I used to be a huge SA fanboy, and I still enjoy them a lot, as anyone can tell by the avatar. Criticize his lyrics and voice all you want, if you don't like it you don't like it, but I don't see why people think he's an arrogant douche at all.

I haven't payed much attention to Green and Circa. I just can't really get into anything other than Juturna, and that took a lot of listening to appreciate.

[Mikey Paine]

I must have missed something, but why is Max an asshole? Is it because of that think with the dude from Cap'n Jazz?

I also don't get the hate with Say Anything's s/t, I think that record is great.

[ToUsFools]

Anthony all the way.

[ToUsFools]

Never understood the hate for Circa. They're one of me and all my friends' favorite bands so it's weird to see em gettin hated on all the time here. I guess people in California must just dig em a lot.

Never met anyone in person who had good taste in music who didn't like Circa.....

[SpyKi]

...IARB > TTN > IDOTG > SA > OLG > BSN

Bemis for me.

[mmmmmpoetry]

I liked Juturna and some of Is A Real Boy in high school, but both the bands and the vocalists don't do much of anything for me personally.

[pseudonym28]

green