25 most conservative/liberal cities in America.

[Justin_stacy]

http://www.govpro.com/ASP/ViewArticle.asp?strArticleId=106124

http://www.votingresearch.org. America’s 25 Most Liberal Cities (in descending order)

Rank City State

1 Detroit Michigan

2 Gary Indiana

3 Berkeley California

4 Washington, D.C. Dist. of Columbia

5 Oakland California

6 Inglewood California

7 Newark New Jersey

8 Cambridge Massachusetts

9 San Francisco California (so low?)

10 Flint Michigan

11 Cleveland Ohio

12 Hartford Connecticut

13 Paterson New Jersey

14 Baltimore Maryland

15 New Haven Connecticut

16 Seattle Washington

17 Chicago Illinois

18 Philadelphia Pennsylvania

19 Birmingham Alabama

20 St. Louis Missouri

21 New York New York

22 Providence Rhode Island

23 Minneapolis Minnesota

24 Boston Massachusetts

25 Buffalo New York

America’s 25 Most Conservative Cities(in descending order)

Rank City State

1 Provo Utah

2 Lubbock Texas

3 Abilene Texas

4 Hialeah Florida

5 Plano Texas

6 Colorado Springs Colorado

7 Gilbert Arizona

8 Bakersfield California

9 Lafayette Louisiana

10 Orange California

11 Escondido California

12 Allentown Pennsylvania

13 Mesa Arizona

14 Arlington Texas

15 Peoria Arizona

16 Cape Coral Florida

17 Garden Grove California

18 Simi Valley California

19 Corona California

20 Clearwater Florida

21 West Valley City Utah

22 Oklahoma City Oklahoma

23 Overland Park Kansas :thumbsup:

24 Anchorage Alaska

25 Huntington Beach California

[Crocodile Logic]

i go to school in the 25th most liberal city in america.

[monicker]

well, cali may be liberal as a whole...but our rich cities sure are conservative :)

[youcomebeforeyo]

I would love to see the USA split in half. Allow the conservative states to continue on their course and the liberal states on their own. Then see how the two nations would look in 50 years.

Interesting how both extremes are found in California especially.

[odnetnin]

I live in a liberal city in a conservative state.

[splitsecond]

Now that is interesting... look how many of those top 25 liberal cities are extremely poor.


Just goes to show how effective liberalism is doesnt it?

I would love to see the USA split in half. Allow the conservative states to continue on their course and the liberal states on their own. Then see how the two nations would look in 50 years.

Interesting how both extremes are found in California especially.
I think liberal USA would probably resemble its top cities, such fine places as Detroit, MI and Gary, IN.

[open mind]

according to the study i've lived in 2 of the top 25 most conservative cities.
the study went by voting records, i wish the article clarified if simply voting democrat made you a liberal and voting republican made you a conservative.

[christ]

Oakland. What, whatttt. #5, scorexcore. Anyway, Berkeley isn't poor. Neither's SF.

[apoemtothedead]

I think liberal USA would probably resemble its top cities, such fine places as Detroit, MI and Gary, IN.

I think the same could be said about Conservative USA. Nothing like gun-slingin Texans and snobbish Californians.

[open mind]

Now that is interesting... look how many of those top 25 liberal cities are extremely poor.


Just goes to show how effective liberalism is doesnt it?


I think liberal USA would probably resemble its top cities, such fine places as Detroit, MI and Gary, IN.
i think it speaks more of the racial divide then it does ideology.

[apex]

Now that is interesting... look how many of those top 25 liberal cities are extremely poor.

Just goes to show how effective liberalism is doesnt it?


now this is interesting.

100 Poorest Counties by Per Capita Income

Number of counties by state in the 100 poorest counties: Texas, 17; Kentucky, 16; Mississippi, 14; South Dakota, 10; Louisiana, 5; Alabama, 4; Georgia, 4; Montana, 4; New Mexico, 4; North Dakota, 3; Arizona, 2; Idaho, 2; Nebraska, 2; Tennessee, 2; West Virginia, 2; Alaska, 1; Arkansas, 1; Colorado, 1; Florida, 1; Missouri, 1; Oklahoma, 1; South Carolina, 1; Utah, 1; Wisconsin, 1. Twenty-six states do not have any counties in the 100 poorest counties.

100 Poorest Counties by Median Household Income

Number of counties by state in the 100 poorest counties: Kentucky, 29; Mississippi, 13; Texas, 10; Alabama, 7; Arkansas, 7; South Dakota, 6; West Virginia, 6; Louisiana, 5; Georgia, 3; Missouri, 3; Oklahoma, 3; Tennessee, 2; Colorado, 1; Hawai'i, 1; North Dakota, 1; New Mexico, 1; South Carolina, 1; Virginia, 1. Thirty-two states do not have any counties in the 100 pooorest counties.


100 highest income places with a population of at least 1,000

Number of places by state in the top 100: New York 22, California 16, Illinois 9, Florida 7, New Jersey 6, Texas 6, Connecticut 5, Ohio 5, Colorado 3, Michigan 3, Washington 3, Maryland 2, Arizona 1, Delaware 1, Kansas 1, Massachusetts 1, Minnesota 1, Missouri 1, North Carolina 1, Oklahoma 1, Pennsylvania 1, Tennessee 1, Virginia 1, Wisconsin 1, Wyoming 1. Twenty-five states do not have any places in the top 100.


Texas and it's god damn liberalism! Kentucky, Mississippi, South Dakota all full of commies.

[absolutecrunk]

Wooo number 1. And we're still an embarassment to the nation. Detroit, lift up your weary head.

[Paul Tao]

Now that is interesting... look how many of those top 25 liberal cities are extremely poor.


Just goes to show how effective liberalism is doesnt it?

Are you kidding me? Seriously, man.

[Lueda Alia]

Are you kidding me? Seriously, man.
That's what I was going to say.

Oh and can't forget this website: http://fuckthesouth.com/

:bigsmile:

[apex]

Ah I'm glad to see we all realized what a dumb post it was.

[open mind]

That's what I was going to say.

Oh and can't forget this website: http://fuckthesouth.com/

:bigsmile:
awesome link. :bigsmile:

[splitsecond]

Are you kidding me? Seriously, man.
You live in Cali, havent you seen how the Dems have fucked that state up? Or are you just plain ignorant of the facts?

now this is interesting.

100 Poorest Counties by Per Capita Income

Number of counties by state in the 100 poorest counties: Texas, 17; Kentucky, 16; Mississippi, 14; South Dakota, 10; Louisiana, 5; Alabama, 4; Georgia, 4; Montana, 4; New Mexico, 4; North Dakota, 3; Arizona, 2; Idaho, 2; Nebraska, 2; Tennessee, 2; West Virginia, 2; Alaska, 1; Arkansas, 1; Colorado, 1; Florida, 1; Missouri, 1; Oklahoma, 1; South Carolina, 1; Utah, 1; Wisconsin, 1. Twenty-six states do not have any counties in the 100 poorest counties.

100 Poorest Counties by Median Household Income

Number of counties by state in the 100 poorest counties: Kentucky, 29; Mississippi, 13; Texas, 10; Alabama, 7; Arkansas, 7; South Dakota, 6; West Virginia, 6; Louisiana, 5; Georgia, 3; Missouri, 3; Oklahoma, 3; Tennessee, 2; Colorado, 1; Hawai'i, 1; North Dakota, 1; New Mexico, 1; South Carolina, 1; Virginia, 1. Thirty-two states do not have any counties in the 100 pooorest counties.


100 highest income places with a population of at least 1,000

Number of places by state in the top 100: New York 22, California 16, Illinois 9, Florida 7, New Jersey 6, Texas 6, Connecticut 5, Ohio 5, Colorado 3, Michigan 3, Washington 3, Maryland 2, Arizona 1, Delaware 1, Kansas 1, Massachusetts 1, Minnesota 1, Missouri 1, North Carolina 1, Oklahoma 1, Pennsylvania 1, Tennessee 1, Virginia 1, Wisconsin 1, Wyoming 1. Twenty-five states do not have any places in the top 100.


Texas and it's god damn liberalism! Kentucky, Mississippi, South Dakota all full of commies.
I would like to see the actual political breakdown of those areas. You can't base a county's political ideology on the state.

The south is its own beast. My comment was based on LOCAL politics and LOCAL government. Cities run by liberals tend to be shitholes, with the exception of some of the economic centers, like NYC. Tell me how liberalism has worked for Detroit, Philly, Gary, Oakland, Trenton etc.

[Paul Tao]

You live in Cali, havent you seen how the Dems have fucked that state up? Or are you just plain ignorant of the facts?

Your statement implied that because of the liberalism of the cities, people were poorer for it. Come on, you're a smart guy, I'm sure you know a few things about cause-and-effect relationships. Are you really going to automatically assume that it's because a city is liberal that it is poor? I'll give to you the general trend that the richer a city/person/whatever is, the more conservative they are, but what does that really mean. Haven't you ever taken statistics? Lurking variables, hello?

I mean, you could say that since America is controlled mainly by Republicans and we have, for example, lots of debt, that Republicans = debt?

[kon104]

One can use statistics like those above to prove anything... Notice how vague the capitons are... '100 poorest counties'? Seriously, who counts that? Look at something more general, like overall average income for liberal/conservative counties/states/voters... I'll bet you could find numerous different ways to twist the facts to benefit both sides...

And when you find an effective way, think... is this really relevant?

If anything, the REASON some cities are conservative/liberal are becuase of their economic situation, not the other way around... Liberalism does not CAUSE poverty... If anything, liberal policies would HELP the poor...

The south is its own beast. My comment was based on LOCAL politics and LOCAL government. Cities run by liberals tend to be shitholes, with the exception of some of the economic centers, like NYC. Tell me how liberalism has worked for Detroit, Philly, Gary, Oakland, Trenton etc.

Also, please don't knock my city... I'd consider myself a moderate by all means, but I see no problem with how the honest liberal attempts of Philly's gov't have been 'working'... If you want to consider a city government not 'working' because there are poor in the city, then every city with more than a million people needs a new major...

(Edit: Dammit, beat me to it...)

[splitsecond]

Your statement implied that because of the liberalism of the cities, people were poorer for it. Come on, you're a smart guy, I'm sure you know a few things about cause-and-effect relationships. Are you really going to automatically assume that it's because a city is liberal that it is poor? I'll give to you the general trend that the richer a city/person/whatever is, the more conservative they are, but what does that really mean. Haven't you ever taken statistics? Lurking variables, hello?

I mean, you could say that since America is controlled mainly by Republicans and we have, for example, lots of debt, that Republicans = debt?
No, I am not saying liberalism causes poverty. There are numerous factors that cause poverty and general shittiness in a city. However, I am saying that liberal ideologies and political tools do not solve cities problems.

Who was it that turned NYC around again?

[siberianxkiss]

No, I am not saying liberalism causes poverty. There are numerous factors that cause poverty and general shittiness in a city. However, I am saying that liberal ideologies and political tools do not solve cities problems.

Who was it that turned NYC around again?

what specific liberal ideologies do not solve cities problems? also what conservative ideologies do solve city problems?

(just curious, not trying to be incendiary)

[splitsecond]

what specific liberal ideologies do not solve cities problems? also what conservative ideologies do solve city problems?

(just curious, not trying to be incendiary)
Specifically liberals tend to focus on social welfare and increasing handouts, increasing taxes, and not increasing productivity and individual self-reliance. I live in a city that has been run by democrats for decades, and they have run it into the ground so bad that there is a 50% parking tax downtown. Heck of a way to promote downtown development isnt it.

Conservatives on the other hand, promote development, reduce taxes, and reduce dependence on the government through incentive based programs. They dont cater to outdated special interest groups such as labor unions. This isnt to say that they dont fuck up, but if you look at major cities with big turn arounds, they are almost always led by conservatives or conservative type programs. NYC is the best example.

Againm, this is LOCAL policy, not state or national policy, as that tends to get a bit convoluded.

[AshesAshes]

Haha provo,utah #1 I use to live there.

[mondeoman]

15 Peoria Arizona

Hometown pride. Not only are we the home of A Change Of Pace but we're the 15th most Conservative city in America. haha Oh brother.

22 Oklahoma City Oklahoma

My grandma lives in OKC, where I'm a half hour from right now.

[open mind]

Specifically liberals tend to focus on social welfare and increasing handouts, increasing taxes, and not increasing productivity and individual self-reliance. I live in a city that has been run by democrats for decades, and they have run it into the ground so bad that there is a 50% parking tax downtown. Heck of a way to promote downtown development isnt it.

Conservatives on the other hand, promote development, reduce taxes, and reduce dependence on the government through incentive based programs. They dont cater to outdated special interest groups such as labor unions. This isnt to say that they dont fuck up, but if you look at major cities with big turn arounds, they are almost always led by conservatives or conservative type programs. NYC is the best example.

Againm, this is LOCAL policy, not state or national policy, as that tends to get a bit convoluded.
it's funny that you point to NYC as the best example of conservative economic policy because wouldn't you know it, all but the richest make less money (after adjusted for inflation) then they did in the 80's.
www.fiscalpolicy.org/downloads/pullingapart.PDF

[splitsecond]

it's funny that you point to NYC as the best example of conservative economic policy because wouldn't you know it, all but the richest make less money (after adjusted for inflation) then they did in the 80's.
www.fiscalpolicy.org/downloads/pullingapart.PDF (http://www.fiscalpolicy.org/downloads/pullingapart.PDF)
We are talking quality of the city, and the city's economic viability, not personal bank accounts.

[em0_stars]

12 Hartford Connecticut

]holla

[siberianxkiss]

Specifically liberals tend to focus on social welfare and increasing handouts, increasing taxes, and not increasing productivity and individual self-reliance. I live in a city that has been run by democrats for decades, and they have run it into the ground so bad that there is a 50% parking tax downtown. Heck of a way to promote downtown development isnt it.

Conservatives on the other hand, promote development, reduce taxes, and reduce dependence on the government through incentive based programs. They dont cater to outdated special interest groups such as labor unions. This isnt to say that they dont fuck up, but if you look at major cities with big turn arounds, they are almost always led by conservatives or conservative type programs. NYC is the best example.

Againm, this is LOCAL policy, not state or national policy, as that tends to get a bit convoluded.

then why are the schools with the highest test grades, greatest number of students going on to college (the so called "smartest states", even though i hate to use that term) from liberal states?

NYC has made a major turn around during Giuliani and continued now, but Bloomberg isnt your typical run of the mill present day conservative Republican (and neither was Rudy)

[NetNerdsRevenge]

then why are the schools with the highest test grades, greatest number of students going on to college (the so called "smartest states", even though i hate to use that term) from liberal states?
California schools suck. Our teachers aren't paid enough and our schools are in debt.

[splitsecond]

then why are the schools with the highest test grades, greatest number of students going on to college (the so called "smartest states", even though i hate to use that term) from liberal states?

NYC has made a major turn around during Giuliani and continued now, but Bloomberg isnt your typical run of the mill present day conservative Republican (and neither was Rudy)
Again, we are talking about CITIES.

However, it would nice if you could back that claim up, in regards to test scores, I wouldnt mind seeing a breakdown on that.

Also, I think that if you say Giuliani and Bloomberg aren't "typical" conservatives, you are probably guilty of stereotyping. Just like every liberal Democrat is not like Howard Dean, every conservative Republican is not like Tom Delay. In fact, I would say the majority are not.

[siberianxkiss]

Again, we are talking about CITIES.

However, it would nice if you could back that claim up, in regards to test scores, I wouldnt mind seeing a breakdown on that.

Also, I think that if you say Giuliani and Bloomberg aren't "typical" conservatives, you are probably guilty of stereotyping. Just like every liberal Democrat is not like Howard Dean, every conservative Republican is not like Tom Delay. In fact, I would say the majority are not.

Yeah I guess I am stereotyping, it's just commonplace now considering the current state of politics in the U.S. (I blame the media)

those links:
not sure how legit this is and i'm sure you've seen this before http://www.morganquitno.com/edrank.htm

some old charts http://www.rand.org/publications/MR/MR924/

[splitsecond]

Yeah I guess I am stereotyping, it's just commonplace now considering the current state of politics in the U.S. (I blame the media)

those links:
not sure how legit this is and i'm sure you've seen this before http://www.morganquitno.com/edrank.htm

some old charts http://www.rand.org/publications/MR/MR924/
Yeah those charts look familiar. I am not sure how much of that you can put on political beliefs and how liberal or conservative a state is, because there are so many hidden variables. For example, I am originally from Arizona, and they place horribly on the list for a variety of reason, one of which is sadly a large chicano/hispanic population who doesnt place much value on education. I think another hidden variable in some of the high ranking states is probably the sheer number of provate schools that exist, and the number of parents who have high college degrees.

Again, the only claims I am making in this particular thread are in regards to city and local government policies.

[siberianxkiss]

Yeah those charts look familiar. I am not sure how much of that you can put on political beliefs and how liberal or conservative a state is, because there are so many hidden variables. For example, I am originally from Arizona, and they place horribly on the list for a variety of reason, one of which is sadly a large chicano/hispanic population who doesnt place much value on education. I think another hidden variable in some of the high ranking states is probably the sheer number of provate schools that exist, and the number of parents who have high college degrees.

Again, the only claims I am making in this particular thread are in regards to city and local government policies.

True. I dont know how the initial list posted was calculated. I grew up in Newark, NJ. The mayor is Republican and slightly conservative too.

[open mind]

We are talking quality of the city, and the city's economic viability, not personal bank accounts.
isn't that rather convenient.
pssst.............the city is in debt.

[Alk3DCStars71]

i go to school in the 25th most liberal city in america.
I go to school about an hour away from the #1 city in America, and yet there are a bunch of bible-thumping, tambourine-shaking Baptists in the college town. Same with my home town, which is near Grand Rapids, which I don't think I have to tell anyone is full of Dutch Reformists, descendants of Puritans.

Now that is interesting... look how many of those top 25 liberal cities are extremely poor.
In Detroit and the rest of Michigan, we can't afford to be conservative. We're losing jobs every day. My father was out of work for 2 years and we've been evicted 2 times because we couldn't afford to pay the bills. The president fights to keep union men (like my father) and women down because they cost more to pay than the people brought in from Mexico to do the work needed to be done (don't believe me? Read Fast Food Nation- it's not just about fast food). I could barely go to college without the help of financial aid that the liberals love to give to poor people like myself. We needed welfare money to eat and to keep our house warm, welfare that would be cut if it were up to the conservatives, who believe we should grovel to churches for help. My parents aren't lazy, they weren't looking for a handout, they did the best they could and welfare was the only answer when my father, an experienced and skilled pipefitter of 25 years, could not find a job. I don't want to mooch off of the government, but what choice do they give to people who are in need and have nowhere to turn? I'm not saying all are bad, there are some pretty cool conservatives. But it's the bad ones that are ruining people's lives because of their greediness.

[MidniteVulture]

I love Detroit, honestly... I do enjoy ghettos.

[Justin_stacy]

I love Detroit, honestly... I do enjoy ghettos.

And what about that mayor too.....the honorable HIPHOP mayor Kwame.

Kind of a self made shit hole of a city, i guess.....

[sean omerta]

http://www.govpro.com/ASP/ViewArticle.asp?strArticleId=106124

http://www.votingresearch.org (http://www.votingresearch.org/). America’s 25 Most Liberal Cities (in descending order)

Rank City State

1 Detroit Michigan

2 Gary Indiana

3 Berkeley California

4 Washington, D.C. Dist. of Columbia

5 Oakland California

6 Inglewood California

7 Newark New Jersey

8 Cambridge Massachusetts

9 San Francisco California (so low?)

10 Flint Michigan

11 Cleveland Ohio

12 Hartford Connecticut

13 Paterson New Jersey

14 Baltimore Maryland

15 New Haven Connecticut

16 Seattle Washington

17 Chicago Illinois

18 Philadelphia Pennsylvania

19 Birmingham Alabama

20 St. Louis Missouri

21 New York New York

22 Providence Rhode Island

23 Minneapolis Minnesota

24 Boston Massachusetts

25 Buffalo New York

America’s 25 Most Conservative Cities(in descending order)

Rank City State

1 Provo Utah

2 Lubbock Texas

3 Abilene Texas

4 Hialeah Florida

5 Plano Texas

6 Colorado Springs Colorado

7 Gilbert Arizona

8 Bakersfield California

9 Lafayette Louisiana

10 Orange California

11 Escondido California

12 Allentown Pennsylvania

13 Mesa Arizona

14 Arlington Texas

15 Peoria Arizona

16 Cape Coral Florida

17 Garden Grove California

18 Simi Valley California

19 Corona California

20 Clearwater Florida

21 West Valley City Utah

22 Oklahoma City Oklahoma

23 Overland Park Kansas

24 Anchorage Alaska

25 Huntington Beach California
heh. damn.

[A picasso blue]

Now that is interesting... look how many of those top 25 liberal cities are extremely poor.


Just goes to show how effective liberalism is doesnt it?


I think liberal USA would probably resemble its top cities, such fine places as Detroit, MI and Gary, IN.um, well if you're going for an attack on Democrats (which you always do) then i dunno what you're talking about. like most of Bush's support comes from the South..don't you think that the south overall has poorer conditions in most areas?

edit: see page 1 with Apex's figures of poorest counties by state