Saetia

[Divinehand]

legit legit legit.

"One dying wish" slays.

[DilesMavis]

Personally I think they only really had a few really good songs, that I could get into. Venus and Bacchus, is definitely one of them.

[captainpicard]

r u new @ skram?

[bowl of oranges]

They're alright.

[shit stroll]

r u new @ skram?
he's fifteen years old, chill.

[x togepi x]

oh god why did mike have to be banned for this thread.

[SickOfStars]

Yeah they get much more credit than they deserve, and they're whiny as all hell... but fuck it, I like 'em.

[kearn1tm]

oh god why did mike have to be banned for this thread.

Is he not a fan?

[Regards]

r u new @ skram?
r u new @ english?

[Jumpoff]

I don't like his screams. At all. I liked Hot Cross better to be honest.

Is he not a fan?

He makes fun of screamo a lot. Especially Billy Werner related.

[SickOfStars]

Which is funny because me and him used to talk about skramo all the time. Dude just grew out of it.

Pretty sure Saetia always drove him up a wall, though.

[raychull]

i've been contemplating making this thread, for a week now. glad I didn't.

love this band though.

[LendMeYourBrain]

"legit legit legit?"

shut up

[fadefrommyself9]

saetia is amazing
one dying wish is such a good song
but the best thing about so many of the skramz bands are the lyrics, i could care less about the vocals sometimes

[x togepi x]

Is he not a fan?

no idea, but he refers to Alex Bigman as king of skramz and Alex Bigman posted in this thread (he's the fight fair dude)

[viva la cymche!]

this band is great. the poet you never were is my favorite song. i only have "a retrospective" though, i've been trying to find there 7 inch's.

[kearn1tm]

As someone who's only dipped his toe in the water of "real Screamo," I very much enjoy Saetia, and am fond of Hot Cross.

[x togepi x]

meh for the money you'd spend on a saetia seven inch you could probably buy like three or four seven inches by infinitely superior bands. i'm not saying they're bad, i just think it's kind of a waste of money.

[kearn1tm]

meh for the money you'd spend on a saetia seven inch you could probably buy like three or four seven inches by infinitely superior bands. i'm not saying they're bad, i just think it's kind of a waste of money.

Who'd you suggest. I enjoy them, Funeral Diner, Pg. 99 and CTTS. Who next?

[joss d.]

neil perry, yaphet kotto, raein or sed non satiata

[kearn1tm]

neil perry, yaphet kotto, raein or sed non satiata

Neil Perry? Ha.

Thanks for the recs.

[x togepi x]

Who'd you suggest. I enjoy them, Funeral Diner, Pg. 99 and CTTS. Who next?

orchid
city of caterpillar
amanda woodward
raein
life at these speeds

see what you like out of that and then i'll know

[Jumpoff]

Who'd you suggest. I enjoy them, Funeral Diner, Pg. 99 and CTTS. Who next?

I'd say you should probably check out I Would Set Myself on Fire for You, Raien, Envy (their earlier stuff), and City of Caterpillar... you might want to try Orchid too, but Orchid aren't really for everyone.. basic screamo but awesome anyway in my opinion.

[JimGray]

Orchid is boring, I used to hype the shit out of em, now I can't stand em.

[x togepi x]

orchid is the best screamo band there ever was and probably ever will be. ampere is a close second. lyrics beat anyone.

[Jumpoff]

Orchid is boring, I used to hype the shit out of em, now I can't stand em.

I like them. A lot. But I can see why people don't.

[JimGray]

orchid is the best screamo band there ever was and probably ever will be. ampere is a close second. lyrics beat anyone.

Ampere > Orchid

Seriously that split with Sinaloa destroys everything Orchid ever put out. The split with wolves is fantastic too.

I like them. A lot. But I can see why people don't.

Fair enough.

[DilesMavis]

Orchid grew on me. Fantastic lyrics though, yeah. Any Bucket Full of Teeth fans?

[x togepi x]

Ampere wouldn't exist without Orchid, so no. that's false.

[Danny Schme]

Yeah they get much more credit than they deserve, and they're whiny as all hell... but fuck it, I like 'em.

this

[JimGray]

I don't mind BFOT. they had one song that I really dug.

[Jumpoff]

I honestly don't like Ampere that much. :shrug:

[JimGray]

Ampere wouldn't exist without Orchid, so no. that's false.

No shit, but what does that matter? ...Who Calls So Loud would not exist without Funeral Diner, but Who Calls is better (arguably of course)

[x togepi x]

that statement is also wrong, but whatever.

[JimGray]

that statement is also wrong, but whatever.

The beauty of opinion, right?

[GuitarR0cker1]

I really need to try and get into skramz better. I like all the stuff I have but that only consists of one Hot Cross song, one Raein song, and one Indian Summer song.

[JimGray]

I really need to try and get into skramz better. I like all the stuff I have but that only consists of one Hot Cross song, one Raein song, and one Indian Summer song.

"I am the angry son!"

Haha, umm, I rec every band mentioned on these pages, including Orchid, you may love them.

[Rawrr]

Lsten to Don Martin Three

[Melkor]

As someone who's only dipped his toe in the water of "real Screamo," I very much enjoy Saetia.

Definately this for me as well and will be checking out the recs in this thread, so thanks.

[Rawrr]

he's fifteen years old, chill.
15 year olds are the worst.

[Ziro]

I think they were great, but I enjoy Hot Cross more.
I also don't like the vocals that much.

[raychull]

I Would Set Myself on Fire for You,
that.

[Jumpoff]

that.

Such a great band.

[captainpicard]

learn skram www.mysace.com/seeingmeansmore

[Stephen Chamberlain]

Venus and Bacchus!

[OdeToTheSun]

Seriously that split with Sinaloa destroys everything Orchid ever put out. The split with wolves is fantastic too.
I remembered you put some of the songs from that in that mix you did for me a while back. I need to see if I still have it on my computer.

btw, Saetia is meh.

[JimGray]

I remembered you put some of the songs from that in that mix you did for me a while back. I need to see if I still have it on my computer.

btw, Saetia is meh.

Yeah, I think they were off the Sinaloa split.

Fantastic stuff, if you can't find it, I'll link you.

[OdeToTheSun]

Yeah, I think they were off the Sinaloa split.

Fantastic stuff, if you can't find it, I'll link you.
If you can that would be great since I doubt it is on my computer anymore, haha.

[JimGray]

If you can that would be great since I doubt it is on my computer anymore, haha.

No problem, I'll PM you a link when I upload it.

If my internet stops shitting out on me.

[raychull]

Such a great band.
they really are.

[EndSerenading]

listening to them tonight, its been awhile. <3 this band though

[Siren Silently]

15 year olds are the worst.

I got into Skramz at 15, I grew out of it at 16. 90% of these bands are embarrassing to listen to, I still enjoy the good ones when I'm in the mood though (Ampere, LATS, City of Caterpillar, L'Antietam, others).

[EndSerenading]

I think I hate the word skramz more than emo haha. at least the word wasnt around back when I was getting into this stuff. I certainly don't think the bands in this genre I listened to are embarrasing, I still really like a lot of them and the energy at the live shows for this stuff is still almost unparalleled through all the shows I have been to over the years. I really wish I could go back to being in HS again to go to some of these shows as I just dont feel the same energy that I used to at shows.

I started getting into this stuff around 1998 when a friend turned me onto pg 99 and funeral diner. I was 15 at the time, and 10 years later I still enjoy listening bands like this. hot cross, a day in black and white, walsham, lickgoldensky, yaphet kotto, kodan armada, city of caterpillar, portraits of past...a lot of good raw energetic music came out of this style.

so I guess you could say i got into "skramz" at 15 and havent grown out of it yet at 24 going on 25 ;)

[LuX__X]

I think Saetia is a reference of Screamo, his music and his lyrics were poetry and chaos .. and good things are ephemeral

[Dymytry Vance]

meh for the money you'd spend on a saetia seven inch you could probably buy like three or four seven inches by infinitely superior bands. i'm not saying they're bad, i just think it's kind of a waste of money.
Or you can buy the complete works by them for $9.90?
Who'd you suggest. I enjoy them, Funeral Diner, Pg. 99 and CTTS. Who next?
City Of Catepillar
Orchid
Hot Cross
Off Minor
Raein
Envy
I Would Set Myself On Fire For You
I really need to try and get into skramz better. I like all the stuff I have but that only consists of one Hot Cross song, one Raein song, and one Indian Summer song.
....
Such a great band.
This

[kearn1tm]

City Of Catepillar
Orchid
Hot Cross
Off Minor
Raein
Envy
I Would Set Myself On Fire For You



Appreciated, but since then (I posted that in February), I picked up Believes in Patterns and the self-titled by I Would Set Myself on Fire For You, Il N'y A Pas D'Orchestre and Döden Marscherar Åt Väst 7" by Raein, I've been a Hot Cross fan for a few years now and I grabbed Suis La Lune's Quiet, Pull the Strings! and Le pré où je suis mort's self-titled (neither of which you recommended, but possibly already dig, but if not, both are pretty cool).

I'll definitely look into Envy, Off Minor and Orchid.

[x togepi x]

Or you can buy the complete works by them for $9.90?

I was talking about vinyl, no cds there, though if you want to get technical, you could buy like three skramz cds for 9.90 too, so it doesn't really matter.

[Cuddleworthy]

Orchid grew on me. Fantastic lyrics though, yeah. Any Bucket Full of Teeth fans?

BFOT fucking slays. so good

[Dymytry Vance]

Appreciated, but since then (I posted that in February), I picked up Believes in Patterns and the self-titled by I Would Set Myself on Fire For You, Il N'y A Pas D'Orchestre and Döden Marscherar Åt Väst 7" by Raein, I've been a Hot Cross fan for a few years now and I grabbed Suis La Lune's Quiet, Pull the Strings! and Le pré où je suis mort's self-titled (neither of which you recommended, but possibly already dig, but if not, both are pretty cool).

I'll definitely look into Envy, Off Minor and Orchid.

Those are as textbook skramz as the others, but they all have skramz qualities.
La Quiete's cool too I guess.
BFOT slays as well...

I was talking about vinyl, no cds there, though if you want to get technical, you could buy like three skramz cds for 9.90 too, so it doesn't really matter.
Really? Because I just bought CTTS' full-length, Documents 8 and 14 and Quiet, Pull The Strings for about 19 dollars.

[Dymytry Vance]

By the way, does anybody else find Saetia very similar to Put On Your Rosey Red Glasses era-The Number Twelve Looks Like You? I've always thought that besides the mathiness the latter posesses, Saetia was very similar, especially vocally. Also, a lot of their calmer parts are very similar. Just thought I'd throw that out there.

[summer skin]

I'm Dymytry Vance, I just discovered wikipedia and skramz AT THE SAME TIME. Time for me to talk out of my ass and bump some threads!

[summer skin]

By the way, does anybody else find Saetia very similar to Put On Your Rosey Red Glasses era-The Number Twelve Looks Like You? I've always thought that besides the mathiness the latter posesses, Saetia was very similar, especially vocally. Also, a lot of their calmer parts are very similar. Just thought I'd throw that out there.
no, no one thinks that because they have ears.

[Dymytry Vance]

no, no one thinks that because they have ears.
Well less grind-based as well. I'm standing by that statement. Go back to best buy.

[Rawrr]

"textbook skramz"

[Dymytry Vance]

I'm Dymytry Vance, I just discovered wikipedia and skramz AT THE SAME TIME. Time for me to talk out of my ass and bump some threads!
I found wikipedia first.

[Dymytry Vance]

"textbook skramz"
I could have just said prehistoric melancholy.

[chassmariee]

'And I, I believe that you have died within me' lol, Saetia is deeeeep.

[Dymytry Vance]

'And I, I believe that you have died within me' lol, Saetia is deeeeep.
We never said that Billy Werner's so-called-caustic-lyrics were the best shit since Surge.

[chassmariee]

We never said that Billy Werner's so-called-caustic-lyrics were the best shit since Surge.
I'm only making fun. I actually do enjoy Saetia and their so-called-caustic lyrics.

[Dymytry Vance]

I'm only making fun. I actually do enjoy Saetia and their so-called-caustic lyrics.
You should look up my review of them. Just go to my porfile and click on the reviews part, or search saetia with the search function, I'm the only one whose made a review for them.

[summer skin]

Well less grind-based as well. I'm standing by that statement. Go back to best buy.
oh got me...I have a job, fuck me.

Your rec list looks like the wikipage for "my first skramz"

[chassmariee]

You should look up my review of them. Just go to my porfile and click on the reviews part, or search saetia with the search function, I'm the only one whose made a review for them.
Really? That's wild. I would think that there would be more but I'll check it out :)

[GuitarR0cker1]

You should look up my review of them. Just go to my porfile and click on the reviews part, or search saetia with the search function, I'm the only one whose made a review for them.
You should stop bumping threads.

[Dymytry Vance]

oh got me...I have a job, fuck me.

Your rec list looks like the wikipage for "my first skramz"

Most likely because he said that he wasn't all that familiar with skramz and posting something like:

Aussitot Mort
Wolves
Bell Epoque
Suis La Lune
Gantz
June Paike
Louise Cyphre
The Kodan Armada
The Saddest Landscape
the birds are spies. they report to the trees
Danse Macabre
I Wrote Haikus About Cannibalism In Your Yearbook
Neil Perry
Phoenix Bodies
Combatwoundedveteran
Mihai Edrisch
Daitro
Celeste
Lome Prieta
Sed Non Satiata
Welcome To The Plague Year
Das Oath

would have been a horrible starter's list.
Really? That's wild. I would think that there would be more but I'll check it out :)
Thank you.

[Dymytry Vance]

You should stop bumping threads.
I'll forgive you only because of your amazing avatar.

[Dymytry Vance]

Appreciated, but since then (I posted that in February), I picked up Believes in Patterns and the self-titled by I Would Set Myself on Fire For You, Il N'y A Pas D'Orchestre and Döden Marscherar Åt Väst 7" by Raein, I've been a Hot Cross fan for a few years now and I grabbed Suis La Lune's Quiet, Pull the Strings! and Le pré où je suis mort's self-titled (neither of which you recommended, but possibly already dig, but if not, both are pretty cool).

I'll definitely look into Envy, Off Minor and Orchid.

I made a more detailed, more underground rec list for later.

[Cuddleworthy]

if saetia wasn't the most popular band from this genre (besides ctts but they don't count) then i bet people wouldn't gve them as much shit as they do. i like the whiney screams and the completely over the top lyrics and musicianship. whatever

[mattmatumbo]

I'm Dymytry Vance, I just discovered wikipedia and skramz AT THE SAME TIME. Time for me to talk out of my ass and bump some threads!

Brutal lol

[summer skin]

if saetia wasn't the most popular band from this genre (besides ctts but they don't count) then i bet people wouldn't gve them as much shit as they do. i like the whiney screams and the completely over the top lyrics and musicianship. whatever
ehh, there's nothing special about them to me. They were recc'd to me back before I knew what Skramz was and I didn't check out any other Skramz bands because of them.

[kearn1tm]

Most likely because he said that he wasn't all that familiar with skramz and posting something like:

Aussitot Mort
Wolves
Bell Epoque
Suis La Lune
Gantz
June Paike
Louise Cyphre
The Kodan Armada
The Saddest Landscape
the birds are spies. they report to the trees
Danse Macabre
I Wrote Haikus About Cannibalism In Your Yearbook
Neil Perry
Phoenix Bodies
Combatwoundedveteran
Mihai Edrisch
Daitro
Celeste
Lome Prieta
Sed Non Satiata
Welcome To The Plague Year
Das Oath

would have been a horrible starter's list.

Thank you.

When you make up that list or whatever, omit those. I've had a the birds are spies. collection for a while from a skramz die-hard (I've never listened to it yet, but know of them and have the means to do so). I have a couple tracks from I Wrote Haikus and am aware of them. Said friend also has some Kodan Armada on this mix he made (when I asked him to help me out with the Screamo). As mentioned, I also have Suis La Lune's Quiet, Pull the Strings.

Oh, and I also picked up 10 Songs by I Hate Myself and From the Crow's Nest, Looking Out by Men as Trees, so don't recommend them either.

Disclaimer - I'm not trying to show off inches of my cred cock (I'm still rather ignorant about the genre save for the stuff I've picked up in ther interim between February and now) and all of it I discovered was either from the friend who hooked me up with the mixes or from Last.FM, so it isn't as if I did extensive research. I just did a little dabbling to get my beak wet. I'm far from well-versed and most of those are pretty well-known, right?

[love_american_style]

they're entry level skramz.

[kearn1tm]

Those are as textbook skramz as the others, but they all have skramz qualities.
La Quiete's cool too I guess.
BFOT slays as well...

Wait, they're "textbook skramz" (insofar as the most cited examples of the genre, right?) yet they all have Skramz qualities (which, by your phrasing makes it sound like you're saying they are not credible examples, but merely have some of the components of Screamo bands). What do you mean? If they're "textbook Skramz," it's probably because I found out about them predominantly from Google search or Last.fm, which I confess entirely.

[kearn1tm]

they're entry level skramz.

That's kinda what I'm going for.

[Dymytry Vance]

When you make up that list or whatever, omit those. I've had a the birds are spies. collection for a while from a skramz die-hard (I've never listened to it yet, but know of them and have the means to do so). I have a couple tracks from I Wrote Haikus and am aware of them. Said friend also has some Kodan Armada on this mix he made (when I asked him to help me out with the Screamo). As mentioned, I also have Suis La Lune's Quiet, Pull the Strings.

Oh, and I also picked up 10 Songs by I Hate Myself and From the Crow's Nest, Looking Out by Men as Trees, so don't recommend them either.

Disclaimer - I'm not trying to show off inches of my cred cock (I'm still rather ignorant about the genre save for the stuff I've picked up in ther interim between February and now) and all of it I discovered was either from the friend who hooked me up with the mixes or from Last.FM, so it isn't as if I did extensive research. I just did a little dabbling to get my beak wet. I'm far from well-versed and most of those are pretty well-known, right?
I wrote a review for IHM. Unfortuantely, I think I gave the vocals a much higher score than intended, so I'll have to be quick to get to that and change it to a 3 or so.
Men As Trees has no lasting value imo.
they're entry level skramz.
Yeah, but I don't want to pull just random 1 fan bands out of my dick.
Wait, they're "textbook skramz" (insofar as the most cited examples of the genre, right?) yet they all have Skramz qualities (which, by your phrasing makes it sound like you're saying they are not credible examples, but merely have some of the components of Screamo bands). What do you mean? If they're "textbook Skramz," it's probably because I found out about them predominantly from Google search or Last.fm, which I confess entirely.
Textbook Skramz=City Of Caterpillar
Alm ost Textbook Skramz=Envy.
That's kinda what I'm going for.
Kinda what I gave you.

[kearn1tm]

Men As Trees has no lasting value imo.

Wy?

Textbook Skramz=City Of Caterpillar
Alm ost Textbook Skramz=Envy.

I'm not contesting this, as my knowledge of the genre is limited to what little I've listened to. However, what is your definition of "textbook Skramz?" The more commonly-namedropped bands or is there an actual difference in composition between those you deem "textbook" and those you don't.

[Dymytry Vance]

Wy?



I'm not contesting this, as my knowledge of the genre is limited to what little I've listened to. However, what is your definition of "textbook Skramz?" The more commonly-namedropped bands or is there an actual difference in composition between those you deem "textbook" and those you don't.
How about Saetia, City Of Caterpillar, Pg. 99, CTTS, and old IWSMOFFY.

Bands like Hot Cross are more punkish
New IWSMOFFY are more indie/experimental


**Why

And because they get old really fast. It beats into your brain and eventually you just never want to hear it again.



BTW french screamo is the best.
End.

[x togepi x]

Really? Because I just bought CTTS' full-length, Documents 8 and 14 and Quiet, Pull The Strings for about 19 dollars.

You got ripped off then.

[Regards]

lol. This thread is bringing a lot more lol'z than the joke threads in general.

[kearn1tm]

How about Saetia, City Of Caterpillar, Pg. 99, CTTS, and old IWSMOFFY.

Bands like Hot Cross are more punkish
New IWSMOFFY are more indie/experimental

So, what you're saying is that, bands that borrow from other elements than Hardcore and Punk (like the almost Post-Rockish influences of I Would Set Myself) are not "textbook?"

Where's Topegi?


**Why

Was that correction really necessary?

And because they get old really fast. It beats into your brain and eventually you just never want to hear it again.

Fair enough. It has much replay value for me.



BTW french screamo is the best.
End.

Why? I'm curious.

I only own stuff by Le pré où je suis mort and Raein, so that's the extent of French Screamo I've heard.

[kearn1tm]

lol. This thread is bringing a lot more lol'z than the joke threads in general.

And hey, that's probably in part due to my ignorance, and I fully admit it. I like what little I've heard of the genre and I'd definitely like to know more, which is why I'm asking this kid stuff. If anyone else would like to throw some recs or answer the questions I'm posing to him, that'd be swell. Sorry for 'tarding up the thread (sincerely).

[Dymytry Vance]

So, what you're saying is that, bands that borrow from other elements than Hardcore and Punk (like the almost Post-Rockish influences of I Would Set Myself) are not "textbook?"

Where's Topegi?




Was that correction really necessary?



Fair enough. It has much replay value for me.





Why? I'm curious.

I only own stuff by Le pré où je suis mort and Raein, so that's the extent of French Screamo I've heard.
Basically.
Gone.
Yes.
Okay. To each their own.
Because it rips harder and the instrumentation is much more diverse. Sure, CTTS and City Of Caterpilalr are all fine and dandy, but incomparable.
Also Raein is Italian if I'm not mistaken.

[Dymytry Vance]

You got ripped off then.
I saw Juner Paik for 2 dolalrs.

[Regards]

And hey, that's probably in part due to my ignorance, and I fully admit it. I like what little I've heard of the genre and I'd definitely like to know more, which is why I'm asking this kid stuff. If anyone else would like to throw some recs or answer the questions I'm posing to him, that'd be swell. Sorry for 'tarding up the thread (sincerely).
Nah, not at all. You probably have even more knowledge then I do in the genre, I've dipped my feet and it never really stuck that much. I'm more talking about this 15 year old dude bumping ridiculous thread just to fill up his ego. It seems with "Skramz" its nothing more than a race to see who can quickly rifle out the most obscure, and biggest list of bands. I would almost rather read a Pitchfork top 200 list then talk to someone into skramz.

[kearn1tm]

Because it rips harder and the instrumentation is much more diverse. Sure, CTTS and City Of Caterpilalr are all fine and dandy, but incomparable.

How so?

Also Raein is Italian if I'm not mistaken.

You'd be right.

[kearn1tm]

Nah, not at all. You probably have even more knowledge then I do in the genre, I've dipped my feet and it never really stuck that much. I'm more talking about this 15 year old dude bumping ridiculous thread just to fill up his ego. It seems with "Skramz" its nothing more than a race to see who can quickly rifle out the most obscure, and biggest list of bands. I would almost rather read a Pitchfork top 200 list then talk to someone into skramz.

Ha!

The Screamo thread is kinda impenetrable for novices so I'm getting my questions out of the way here. I just wish someone who I was confident that they knew their stuff was in here to steer me in the right direction.

[Dymytry Vance]

How so?



You'd be right.
Much different instrumentation that contrasts more heavy music. A more experimental Kodan Armada.

[kearn1tm]

Much different instrumentation that contrasts more heavy music. A more experimental Kodan Armada.

See, what I'm asking you is how the instrumentation is different, how they're experimental. I appreciate the answers, but this doesn't really tell me anything.

[x togepi x]

there is absolutely no "experimentation" in this genre after 2005.

[Regards]

Ha!

The Screamo thread is kinda impenetrable for novices so I'm getting my questions out of the way here. I just wish someone who I was confident that they knew their stuff was in here to steer me in the right direction.
Send a message to Bob (SickOfStars). He's your man when it comes to screamo.

[kearn1tm]

there is absolutely no "experimentation" in this genre after 2005.

See and stuff like that is what I don't know (among many other things), so when he responds to me, I'm trying to pick the brain a little to understand what I'm listening to as best I can without doing independent research (which I suppose is really lazy), but I'm digging some of these artists, so I'd like to understand a little more.

Not to say any of you have an obligation to hold my hand and give me history lessons.

[kearn1tm]

Send a message to Bob (SickOfStars). He's your man when it comes to screamo.

Will do. Much appreciated.

[x togepi x]

Most of these bands just rip off city of caterpillar or orchid. they all are derivatives. what you'll like or dislike will be lyrical content. i'm surprised people still start bands like this.

[kearn1tm]

Most of these bands just rip off city of caterpillar or orchid. they all are derivatives. what you'll like or dislike will be lyrical content. i'm surprised people still start bands like this.

Gotcha. I guess I'll grab some of their stuff and just work my way to these splinter bands and figure out what I like. Thanks.

[Dymytry Vance]

Most of these bands just rip off city of caterpillar or orchid. they all are derivatives. what you'll like or dislike will be lyrical content. i'm surprised people still start bands like this.
City of Caterpillar is worth about an 8.2/10
Orchid is worth a 8.7/10
Aussitot Mort is a 8.8/10
The Kodan Armada is a 8.5/10
Suis La Lune is an 8.8/10

[x togepi x]

City of Caterpillar is worth about an 8.2/10
Orchid is worth a 8.7/10
Aussitot Mort is a 8.6/10
The Kodan Armada is a 8.8/10
Suis La Lune is an 8.0/10

Two of those bands are good. The rest are terrible.

[Dymytry Vance]

Most of these bands just rip off city of caterpillar or orchid. they all are derivatives. what you'll like or dislike will be lyrical content. i'm surprised people still start bands like this.
Honestly?
I hate Orchid's lyrics.

[x togepi x]

Honestly?
I hate Orchid's lyrics.

Most of their lyrics are diametrically opposed to someone like you, so yeah, it makes sense.

Ampere/Orchid's lyrics> the rest of the genre. I like my hardcore with critical theory and not whiney bullshit about the singer getting rejected by his 8th grade crush.

[Dymytry Vance]

Two of those bands are good. The rest are terrible.
Much better lyrics, and better doses of experimentation.

[x togepi x]

Much better lyrics, and better doses of experimentation.

You can't throw around "experimentation" like a meaningless term and expect people to take you seriously. There is nothing experimental about any of those bands you listed whatsoever.

[Dymytry Vance]

Most of their lyrics are diametrically opposed to someone like you, so yeah, it makes sense.

Ampere/Orchid's lyrics> the rest of the genre. I like my hardcore with critical theory and not whiney bullshit about the singer getting rejected by his 8th grade crush.No. I just find Orchid's lyrics to be too simplistic. There are much more intelligent ways to state something than how they do so.

[Dymytry Vance]

You can't throw around "experimentation" like a meaningless term and expect people to take you seriously. There is nothing experimental about any of those bands you listed whatsoever.
One is more creative than the other. That better?

[x togepi x]

No. I just find Orchid's lyrics to be too simplistic. There are much more intelligent ways to state something than how they do so.

yeah go ahead and show me some great and amazing lyrics from this genre.

simplicity and intelligence are not mutually exclusive

One is more creative than the other. That better?

You can't throw around creative like some meaningless term and expect people to take you seriously. City of Caterpillar was the only creative band out of that list.

[Dymytry Vance]

yeah go ahead and show me some great and amazing lyrics from this genre.

simplicity and intelligence are not mutually exclusive

Circle Takes The Square.
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You can't throw around creative like some meaningless term and expect people to take you seriously. City of Caterpillar was the only creative band out of that list.
Creative doesn't mean who was harsher or who had the est production value, sorry.
They're good, not knocking them at all, but they're not nearly as creative as The Kordan Armada. Sorry.

[x togepi x]

Circle Takes The Square.
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Orchid actually sings about something worthwhile. CTTS doesn't. don't care ever.

try again.



Creative doesn't mean who was harsher or who had the est production value, sorry.
They're good, not knocking them at all, but they're not nearly as creative as The Kordan Armada. Sorry.

You have absolutely no idea what you're talking about. Kodan Armada wasn't creative in the least. They sound just like every other skramz band. Oh hey let's play some parts that rip off saetia and then play some parts that are fast and have a whiney singer scream some stuff......like nobody's ever done THAT before.

at least City of Caterpillar kind of invented a style of this music. kodan armada did nothing.

[kearn1tm]

You can't throw around creative like some meaningless term and expect people to take you seriously. City of Caterpillar was the only creative band out of that list.

This is why I was asking him what's so much more "harsh" or "experimental" or "creative" when he claimed French Screamo bands are superior to American Screamo acts. Why? What does "more harsh" mean? What is "experimental" about them? How are they subversive? What does that mean in relation to the actual music? It's just ambiguous and subjective posturing, or that's how it sounds. It doesn't tell someone like me anything about he music beyond "you like this band more, here's so meaningless words to lend validity to my assertions."

[x togepi x]

This is why I was asking him what's so much more "harsh" or "experimental" or "creative" when he claimed French Screamo bands are superior to American Screamo acts. Why? What does "more harsh" mean? What is "experimental" about them? How are they subversive? What does that mean in relation to the actual music? It's just ambiguous and subjective posturing, or that's how it sounds. It doesn't tell someone like me anything about he music beyond "you like this band more, here's so meaningless words to lend validity to my assertions."

i think you can see why i'm so burned out on this genre.

[Dymytry Vance]

Orchid actually sings about something worthwhile. CTTS doesn't. don't care ever.

try again.





You have absolutely no idea what you're talking about. Kodan Armada wasn't creative in the least. They sound just like every other skramz band. Oh hey let's play some parts that rip off saetia and then play some parts that are fast and have a whiney singer scream some stuff......like nobody's ever done THAT before.

at least City of Caterpillar kind of invented a style of this music. kodan armada did nothing.

Yes, I see how life and its complete enjoyment and fulfillment is completely irrelevant to our lives and we can't relate to it at all. My friend you are the next Plato.
Try again.

If we were to take K.A. off the table and replace it with say, Suis La Lune and Aussitot Mort. Two bands with an aggressive approach to their music infused it with French-style punk similar to Naast. They also incorporated post-rock elements into their music.

[x togepi x]

Yes, I see how life and its complete enjoyment and fulfillment is completely irrelevant to our lives and we can't relate to it at all. My friend you are the next Plato.

Dude, even fucking bon jovi sings about "how life and complete enjoyment and fulfillment'. You have absolutely no idea what you're talking about.

fuck, i've even outright said "people who like screamo bands do so because they like the lyrical content" ie: they relate to it. You're arguing with me about my personal preference, ie: the fact that I relate to orchid and ampere because i study those things.

If we were to take K.A. off the table and replace it with say, Suis La Lune and Aussitot Mort. Two bands with an aggressive approach to their music infused it with French-style punk similar to Naast. They also incorporated post-rock elements into their music.

Taking things other bands did before you and putting them in your music is not "experimentation"

[Dymytry Vance]

Dude, even fucking bon jovi sings about "how life and complete enjoyment and fulfillment'. You have absolutely no idea what you're talking about.

fuck, i've even outright said "people who like screamo bands do so because they like the lyrical content" ie: they relate to it. You're arguing with me about my personal preference, ie: the fact that I relate to orchid and ampere because i study those things.



Taking things other bands did before you and putting them in your music is not "experimentation"
I can relate to life because I enjoy it, and oops wow, complete shocker. I'm alive!!!!
I'm conversing with you about lyrical content smart ass. I also find experimentation to bend genres, combine several different types of music and create something new. Creating something new is almost impossible after 2009 years since anno domini.

[Colorblind!]

Most of their lyrics are diametrically opposed to someone like you, so yeah, it makes sense.


Just curious, I don't know anything about Orchid's lyrics, why would they oppose him?

[x togepi x]

I can relate to life because I enjoy it, and oops wow, complete shocker. I'm alive!!!!
I'm conversing with you about lyrical content smart ass.

We are talking about lyrics but you're using vague standards like "relatability", which are essentially worthless to prove X is better than Y.



I also find experimentation to bend genres, combine several different types of music and create something new.

Even if this is so, and it's not, what those french bands are doing doesn't even meet your own standard.

Creating something new is almost impossible after 2009 years since anno domini.

this is also untrue.

[kearn1tm]

i think you can see why i'm so burned out on this genre.

Oooh. Is this why your band is moving on to the new sound?

[x togepi x]

Oooh. Is this why your band is moving on to the new sound?

I'm not in that band anymore, but yes, that is why I'm starting a band with a new sound.

Essentially, I feel like this genre and things related to it is filled with a few really awesome, super geniune, really smart, etc. people, but their contribution to that scene is dwarfed by people who act like Dymtry Vance (though he has the excuse of being young, i'm talking about people in their mid to late 20s). When my old band played a fest, I remember sitting at the merch booth trying to hawk demos while listening to my ipod. This dude walks up to me and asks me what i'm listening to. I say someone still loves you boris yeltsin, he wants to listen so i let him, he scoffs, I'm like "what's so bad about this?"

his response? "i like experimental music."

I ask him what bands he listens to. He lists your basic who's who in screamo 2k8 list: orchid, city of caterpillar, french bands, whatever. I ask him why he thinks those bands are experimental. I couldn't get a set answer. A ton of people in that scene walk around with the pretense that their music means something more than everyone else's or that they're going to change the world if people would just listen to their inane manifestos in shitty song form, but what are they really doing? Playing shows in someone's basement and scoffing at the outside world.

I kind of felt like the guys i played with were the same way. We'd sit around in practice and I'd hear how we were the "craziest/most experimental" whatever band in town. Anytime we'd get criticized it'd get written off because "there aren't bands like this here". I just couldn't handle that shit. It's fake and lame.

So i want to play what i'm playing, not because i think it's amazing life changing music but because it's just what i want to do.

[Dymytry Vance]

We are talking about lyrics but you're using vague standards like "relatability", which are essentially worthless to prove X is better than Y.





Even if this is so, and it's not, what those french bands are doing doesn't even meet your own standard.



this is also untrue.

Whatever I mean it's your opinion, however most of these bands do a lot more than what you hear on the albums. I went to a basement show in KY for Kodan Aramda (however, this was not my motive for going to Louisville) and they played 2 hours more stuff than was on their albums/eps/demos. So I guess that would make them more experimental then you would realize.

And yes it actually is hard to make something completely new and fresh. You're almost always going to be able to trace it back to someone else's style unless if you start throwing out random garage bands that use panflutes and keyboards and screech.


I'm not in that band anymore, but yes, that is why I'm starting a band with a new sound.

Essentially, I feel like this genre and things related to it is filled with a few really awesome, super geniune, really smart, etc. people, but their contribution to that scene is dwarfed by people who act like Dymtry Vance (though he has the excuse of being young, i'm talking about people in their mid to late 20s). When my old band played a fest, I remember sitting at the merch booth trying to hawk demos while listening to my ipod. This dude walks up to me and asks me what i'm listening to. I say someone still loves you boris yeltsin, he wants to listen so i let him, he scoffs, I'm like "what's so bad about this?"

his response? "i like experimental music."

I ask him what bands he listens to. He lists your basic who's who in screamo 2k8 list: orchid, city of caterpillar, french bands, whatever. I ask him why he thinks those bands are experimental. I couldn't get a set answer. A ton of people in that scene walk around with the pretense that their music means something more than everyone else's or that they're going to change the world if people would just listen to their inane manifestos in shitty song form, but what are they really doing? Playing shows in someone's basement and scoffing at the outside world.

I kind of felt like the guys i played with were the same way. We'd sit around in practice and I'd hear how we were the "craziest/most experimental" whatever band in town. Anytime we'd get criticized it'd get written off because "there aren't bands like this here". I just couldn't handle that shit. It's fake and lame.

So i want to play what i'm playing, not because i think it's amazing life changing music but because it's just what i want to do.

I can respect that, however, considering I'm not 15 (I'm younger) I think I have more of an excuse than you'd realize. However Boris Yeltsin is awesome, so I really can't defend him as much as you think I would.

[x togepi x]

Whatever I mean it's your opinion, however most of these bands do a lot more than what you hear on the albums. I went to a basement show in KY for Kodan Aramda (however, this was not my motive for going to Louisville) and they played 2 hours more stuff than was on their albums/eps/demos. So I guess that would make them more experimental then you would realize.

Dude, I've been booking shows for bands like this for years. Fuck, I was booking bands like this when you were still listening to radio disney. Don't think you can name drop a show you went to once and think that it suddenly proves that you know what you're talking about.

Just because Kodan Armada jammed out some songs doesn't mean they're "more experimental than I would realize". I used to play in a band that could improvise parts that weren't on our recordings. Guess what: WE WEREN'T EXPERIMENTAL. You've been asked a few times to explain what makes them experimental and you still haven't done so. To think that because they can improvise, that they're experimental means that any band ever is experimental since at one point or another, they jammed out the songs they recorded. That's a dumb standard.

Kodan Armada, Circle Takes The Square, Hot Cross, whatever, all followed specific stylistic formulas to write their music. They may have tweaked with them a bit, i'll grant you that, but mere tweaking does not mean your band is experimental.

And yes it actually is hard to make something completely new and fresh. You're almost always going to be able to trace it back to someone else's style unless if you start throwing out random garage bands that use panflutes and keyboards and screech.
.

You're obviously not a musician because new genres are created every few months.

[Dymytry Vance]

Dude, I've been booking shows for bands like this for years. Fuck, I was booking bands like this when you were still listening to radio disney. Don't think you can name drop a show you went to once and think that it suddenly proves that you know what you're talking about.

Just because Kodan Armada jammed out some songs doesn't mean they're "more experimental than I would realize". I used to play in a band that could improvise parts that weren't on our recordings. Guess what: WE WEREN'T EXPERIMENTAL. You've been asked a few times to explain what makes them experimental and you still haven't done so. To think that because they can improvise, that they're experimental means that any band ever is experimental since at one point or another, they jammed out the songs they recorded. That's a dumb standard.

Kodan Armada, Circle Takes The Square, Hot Cross, whatever, all followed specific stylistic formulas to write their music. They may have tweaked with them a bit, i'll grant you that, but mere tweaking does not mean your band is experimental.



You're obviously not a musician because new genres are created every few months.

While the first paragraph is entirely your opinion, I beg to differ. But whatever, it's an internet argument and I highly doubt you'll change my mind or vice versa. And I actually do make music, so I know that while a genre is created every few months, most of them are just "let's put two obnoxious genres into a blender and write some lyrics about sex and drugs."

[last light]

By the way, does anybody else find Saetia very similar to Put On Your Rosey Red Glasses era-The Number Twelve Looks Like You? I've always thought that besides the mathiness the latter posesses, Saetia was very similar, especially vocally. Also, a lot of their calmer parts are very similar. Just thought I'd throw that out there.


Holy fucking shit.

Just when I thought I'd seen it all on this website...

[x togepi x]

While the first paragraph is entirely your opinion, I beg to differ. But whatever, it's an internet argument and I highly doubt you'll change my mind or vice versa. And I actually do make music, so I know that while a genre is created every few months, most of them are just "let's put two obnoxious genres into a blender and write some lyrics about sex and drugs."

That's hardly an opinion at all. It's factual. Experimental is a word that means something. To say it is "an opinion" would be like me saying fall out boy is an emo band, which I know you'd jump all over the place trying to prove they're not. When you say blah blah blah is more experimental than blah blah blah, you're invoking a term with a set meaning (unless you're not assuming I know what you're talking about). This set meaning is not based on opinion. Since essentially any band ever has probably jammed at one point or other in their lifetime as a band, that would mean every band ever is experimental under your definition, which kind of contradicts the very idea of experimentation to begin with.

[Dymytry Vance]

That's hardly an opinion at all. It's factual. Experimental is a word that means something. To say it is "an opinion" would be like me saying fall out boy is an emo band, which I know you'd jump all over the place trying to prove they're not. When you say blah blah blah is more experimental than blah blah blah, you're invoking a term with a set meaning (unless you're not assuming I know what you're talking about). This set meaning is not based on opinion. Since essentially any band ever has probably jammed at one point or other in their lifetime as a band, that would mean every band ever is experimental under your definition, which kind of contradicts the very idea of experimentation to begin with.
Okay, I'll grant you that. Look, I'm not saying that I hate CoC and Orchid and that they were never original or whatever. I'm saying I find one's nuances to be better and more creative than the other. They're all pretty equal, but I found CoC and Orchid after the others so maybe that
is an influence on my opinion.

[last light]

I made a more detailed, more underground rec list for later.

I wrote a review for IHM. Unfortuantely, I think I gave the vocals a much higher score than intended, so I'll have to be quick to get to that and change it to a 3 or so.
Men As Trees has no lasting value imo.

Yeah, but I don't want to pull just random 1 fan bands out of my dick.

Textbook Skramz=City Of Caterpillar
Alm ost Textbook Skramz=Envy.

Kinda what I gave you.

How about Saetia, City Of Caterpillar, Pg. 99, CTTS, and old IWSMOFFY.

Bands like Hot Cross are more punkish
New IWSMOFFY are more indie/experimental


**Why

And because they get old really fast. It beats into your brain and eventually you just never want to hear it again.



BTW french screamo is the best.
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Basically.
Gone.
Yes.
Okay. To each their own.
Because it rips harder and the instrumentation is much more diverse. Sure, CTTS and City Of Caterpilalr are all fine and dandy, but incomparable.
Also Raein is Italian if I'm not mistaken.

Much different instrumentation that contrasts more heavy music. A more experimental Kodan Armada.

City of Caterpillar is worth about an 8.2/10
Orchid is worth a 8.7/10
Aussitot Mort is a 8.8/10
The Kodan Armada is a 8.5/10
Suis La Lune is an 8.8/10

Much better lyrics, and better doses of experimentation.

No. I just find Orchid's lyrics to be too simplistic. There are much more intelligent ways to state something than how they do so.

Circle Takes The Square.
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Creative doesn't mean who was harsher or who had the est production value, sorry.
They're good, not knocking them at all, but they're not nearly as creative as The Kordan Armada. Sorry.

Yes, I see how life and its complete enjoyment and fulfillment is completely irrelevant to our lives and we can't relate to it at all. My friend you are the next Plato.
Try again.

If we were to take K.A. off the table and replace it with say, Suis La Lune and Aussitot Mort. Two bands with an aggressive approach to their music infused it with French-style punk similar to Naast. They also incorporated post-rock elements into their music.


Wow, this thread.

You know, I often sit around and wonder why my enthusiasm for this genre (and most heavy genres) has dwindled over the years. I mean this is something that meant a lot to me growing up, and meant a lot to plenty of people. Then I read posts like this and I really don't have to wonder "what happened?" anymore. Your attitude is baffling, and pretty disgusting. You say you are younger than 15, yet try to name drop every fucking band ever, talk about how you relate to French bands that sing in FUCKING FRENCH, are above Orchid's lyrics...I mean just wow.

[Dymytry Vance]

Holy fucking shit.

Just when I thought I'd seen it all on this website...I'm not the first to say that either, look up POYRRG in the search function, read through the posts for the review. Another couple of people are with me on this one.

[Dymytry Vance]

Wow, this thread.

You know, I often sit around and wonder why my enthusiasm for this genre (and most heavy genres) has dwindled over the years. I mean this is something that meant a lot to me growing up, and meant a lot to plenty of people. Then I read posts like this and I really don't have to wonder "what happened?" anymore. Your attitude is baffling, and pretty disgusting. You say you are younger than 15, yet try to name drop every fucking band ever, talk about how you relate to French bands that sing in FUCKING FRENCH, are above Orchid's lyrics...I mean just wow.
I was born in south France and lived there until I was six, I know French to an extent, and learned more of it here in America.
Yes I am legal.

[mattmatumbo]

I was born in south France and lived there until I was six, I know French to an extent, and learned more of it here in America.
Yes I am legal.

Ca va? Viens tu de Marseille, Lyon, Montpelier, ou un autre ville? (Je n'ai pas les accents.)

[Dymytry Vance]

Ca va? Viens tu de Marseille, Lyon, Montpelier, ou un autre ville? (Je n'ai pas les accents.)
Sorry for the hold up, I had soccer practice.
Anyway, I lived in Lyon until age 3, and Montpelier until age 6. Then I moved to Chicago. Nice job on no spelling errors, usually people fuck up everything in French.

[mattmatumbo]

Sorry for the hold up, I had soccer practice.
Anyway, I lived in Lyon until age 3, and Montpelier until age 6. Then I moved to Chicago. Nice job on no spelling errors, usually people fuck up everything in French.

With 4 years of studying under my belt i better not fuck shit up haha.

[Dymytry Vance]

With 4 years of studying under my belt i better not fuck shit up haha.
So you believe me?

[kearn1tm]

I like Canadian bands better than any other band because I was born and raised in Toronto the first seventeen years of my life!

[chickendude]

Sorry for bumping this thread, i just wanted to say a few things (as a person who fits or has fit many of these stereotypes), because hardcore and "underground" music (by that i mean: diy/not economically motivated) is really important to me...
there is absolutely no "experimentation" in this genre after 2005.
I don't think that is true. I think that the genre has gotten more popular and that more people have begun to start bands for nonpolitical reasons: they enjoy it, they're part of a community, whatever, and I think that's great. But not being a part of those communities, i really don't have anything in common with them and generally these bands don't interest me that much. Maybe it is just because it is more popular and there are more bands that it seems that way? I don't know. But there are still a lot of "serious"/political bands coming out. Check out Mexico, South America, Russia, and other places that seem to have gone unnoticed here in the states.

Essentially, I feel like this genre and things related to it is filled with a few really awesome, super geniune, really smart, etc. people, but their contribution to that scene is dwarfed by people who act like Dymtry Vance (though he has the excuse of being young, i'm talking about people in their mid to late 20s).For me, at least, hardcore is political. Maybe there has been a shift away from politics in hardcore/emo music, or at least you hear a lot of people toss around the word "preachy", and maybe there are more people who are more interested in the aesthetic side of hardcore or simply from different communites than me, but i don't really see why that has to devalue the contributions of people whom you value. And certainly you didn't have to use their age as an argument? ;)

A ton of people in that scene walk around with the pretense that their music means something more than everyone else's or that they're going to change the world if people would just listen to their inane manifestos in shitty song form, but what are they really doing? Playing shows in someone's basement and scoffing at the outside world.Well, i think that the purpose of recording a song or playing music is to have people hear you (which is why it doesn't make sense to me to sell your music). I don't know that anyone sincerely thinks that their music alone will change the world, but i do think it's reasonable to at least hope it will inspire someone or provoke some sort of dialog. I don't necessarily think that that sort of egoism is beneficial, but neither is saying that someone's thoughts and ideas are completely irrelevant/insignificant. (I think that) Music should be used to share ideas and feelings. I don't really care that much for songs that don't talk about anything in particular, even if the instrumentation sounds pretty and the lyrics are poetic. But like i said before, do whatever you want, just enjoy it.

As for the last bit, i think it makes a lot more sense to talk to people who will listen to you and to make it accessible to them (for example, i wouldn't consider Bright Eyes' $150 concerts that accessible). I don't know what you mean by "outside world", but i do think it is silly to divide the world into music genres and judge someone based on what they listen to (if that's what you were talking about)...

So i want to play what i'm playing, not because i think it's amazing life changing music but because it's just what i want to do.Great!