Mr. West, I Do Declare!

[Jason Tate]

While I'm not sure why we need celebrities to tell us to do good deeds, this is an interesting turn of events (http://thecherrycreeknews.com/content/view/140/39/):

Kayne West, in the middle of an otherwise solemn Red Cross telethon, uttered the incendiary phrase, "George Bush does not care about black people." Given the observed shortcomings of the Katrina relief effort, one has to at least consider that there is a grain of truth in West's remarks. And apparently, NBC, the network producing the star-studded event, must have been pretty uncomfortable, as the whole segment with West and comedian Mike Myers was deleted from the program as it was televised in the Mountain time zone.

Doubt it will affect the insane album sales Kayne's second album expected to bring come next week.

[FeignedPrfectio]

he is right in a sense, but if this hurricane had hit a part of America that was dominated by whites, we would be seeing thousands upon thousands of white people on TV, and not blacks.

But, the reason we are seeing blacks could possibly be because the help that is being given, is being given to white, middle class people.

I don't really know though, because I'm not there.

[Paul Tao]

Ahhh yes...Kayne West.

[Emokidlikewhat]

While I'm not sure why we need celebrities to tell us to do good deeds, this is an interesting turn of events (http://thecherrycreeknews.com/content/view/140/39/):

Kayne West, in the middle of an otherwise solemn Red Cross telethon, uttered the incendiary phrase, "George Bush does not care about black people." Given the observed shortcomings of the Katrina relief effort, one has to at least consider that there is a grain of truth in West's remarks. And apparently, NBC, the network producing the star-studded event, must have been pretty uncomfortable, as the whole segment with West and comedian Mike Myers was deleted from the program as it was televised in the Mountain time zone.

Doubt it will affect the insane album sales Kayne's second album expected to bring come next week.


i couldnt disagree with kanye west more. what happened in new orleans is not a matter of race. its a matter of theres a ton of fuckin people there who dont have homes. guess what? alot of them are black. what else? theres white people too? no way. i suppose george bush plotted the goddamn hurricane too just to kill off blacks and raise gas prices. gimme a break.

[Fallinlove]

Strange.....
Is there any truth to Kanye West's word vomit?
I wonder what Adam West would think.....
Gimminy Gilickers.....

[turtleman]

But, the reason we are seeing blacks could possibly be because the help that is being given, is being given to white, middle class people.

Or the fact that the city is 70% black (so I heard on NPR).

[fsasatticus]

here is the thing though. it is not discriminating to black or white people. there were poor black people living there before the storm. it just so happens that the black community there is very poor. it is not selection of race, it is helping the poor. i dont see why everyone makes it such a white/black issue. we as a RACE OF PEOPLE need to come together to help everyone.

maybe i am wrong, but that is my opinion.

[ilovebsb]

i duno if its just me but i think that has to be the most ignorant thing i've ever heard. maybe this is because i'm a white male but i dont think thats the case. i heard of like people getting raped and stuff at the superdome, i was like dude how can one think of even doing that when your top priorety is "dude how the hell am i getting to some real shelter" anyways, reading that made me mad. g-bush may not be the best pres. but he's had to take on so much and i give him props for that.

also, if he's so upset with thinking g-bush doesnt like black people maybe he should invest some time of his by going to help out down there and wasting some of his money to help invest to rebulding the city

[Bucc4019]

wow i just lost alot of respect for kanye west with that ignorant comment...thats really stupid and ridiculous.

[CLoach]

a hurricane hit a part of the country that is 70% black and bush doesnt like blacks? are you kidding me? you see blacks on tv so much because 70% of the people there are black. yea it sucks and a lot of bad stuff has happened but anyone who thinks black people aren't being taken care of or that we don't care about the black people there need to shut the hell up. the white people are being treated the same. whos fault is it that the hurricane hit the projects where the people don't have cars so they couldn't get out? i guess bush should have done something about that like tell the hurricane to go somewhere else. eat a dick kayne west!

[rste3]

I think the thought is that if this hit an area with a much higher white population, that the aid would be pouring in faster, and you wouldn't have any of these issues being reported of aid not comming nearly fast enough.

[Katie Schmitz]

Or the fact that the city is 70% black (so I heard on NPR).

63% I believe; but close. I really really don't believe it's an issue of race.

[falloutncambria]

first of all what the fuck is the cherry creek news? this is no more than idealistic liberal bullshit. And saying someone "was once a liberal on race" is just a plain ridiculous comment. This site blatantly has no academic or respectable standing.

[Luckie St]

pretty much kanye owns.

[Katie Schmitz]

here is the thing though. it is not discriminating to black or white people. there were poor black people living there before the storm. it just so happens that the black community there is very poor. it is not selection of race, it is helping the poor. i dont see why everyone makes it such a white/black issue. we as a RACE OF PEOPLE need to come together to help everyone.

maybe i am wrong, but that is my opinion.

Agreed. :)

[apex]

wow i just lost alot of respect for kanye west with that ignorant comment...thats really stupid and ridiculous.

yeah you're right. the help came quick and fast for the poor of n.o.

glad to see they're out of harms way.

[Trainsaw]

He made a point that needed to be made, like it or not the media is portraying it in that sense. Whites are surviving and blacks are looting. You can say there is no racial predijuce in this country anymore but that's clearly not the case

[Kyle Garchar]

It's not that much of an ignorant comment, he's right. I watched a 20 minute long conversation on CNN between a reporter and a new orleans official and they both agreed that if most of the people there were white, the relief would have come faster...you people don't understand that if troops and supplies would have come 36 hours ago(which they easily could have) there would be literally THOUSANDS of lives that could have been saved. This is the worst natural disaster to ever hit america, and most people don't even fucking care.

[failedminus]

kanye west is an asshole

[punkerx99]

Agreed. :)
Kanye is the man, but he should shut the fuck up about politics. He's clueless. Same with P. Diddy, except he's a shitty rapper.

[alexwohl29_90]

I strongly believe Bush could be doing a much better job on this situation, but I have 4 words that prove he doesnt hate black people.

Condoleeza Rice, Colin Powell.

[JunkBondTrader]

who gives a fuck, he has a right to an opinion....he just has extreme views, im sure there are people on the opposite side of the spectrum that say the same shit everyday but we dont give them shit.....fuck ive heard him say shit like "the white man planted AIDS in africa to destroy the black man", which is completly false.....but whocares he has an opinion

[The MILT]

What about the idiots that are out there shooting at the rescue helicopters and shooting at the police. Its those people that should be left there to deal....and some people wonder why releif isnt brought. I think there is alot of good people down there that need the help...but I cant beleive the stuff going on over there. Alot of these people on the news are talking about we need this and we need that....yet they seem ok enough to walk out of a store with a TV and rape other in the Atrodome. Some people deserve what happens to them...it just sucks that alot of good people have had their lives detroyed and now they have to deal with all these good for nothings and deal with all their crap too. Amazing to see the kind of people that live on this earth.

[YourLatestVicti]

who gives a fuck, he has a right to an opinion....he just has extreme views, im sure there are people on the opposite side of the spectrum that say the same shit everyday but we dont give them shit.....fuck ive heard him say shit like "the white man planted AIDS in africa to destroy the black man", which is completly false.....but whocares he has an opinion
I don't really care that he gave his opinion, I just think it was the completely wrong place and time to give it.

[Trainsaw]

I strongly believe Bush could be doing a much better job on this situation, but I have 4 words that prove he doesnt hate black people.

Condoleeza Rice, Colin Powell.
He likes rich black people that are influential. He doesn't seem to do much for poor black people

[bmoclives]

well that was a dumb thing to say.

[crit]

kanye's rant:

http://s48.yousendit.com/d.aspx?id=1LIYQTK4NLZMC1KCPBF46JZUW Q

[weaknights]

or:

http://media.putfile.com/Kanye79

i thought it was funny. he got out his opinion.

[MySoleBounces]

I think it would be slightly more correct to say that Bush doesn't care about POOR people.

[Trainsaw]

better video that you don't have to dl

http://www.pixelmd.com/kanye.html

[CLoach]

I watched a 20 minute long conversation on CNN between a reporter and a new orleans official and they both agreed that if most of the people there were white, the relief would have come faster.

fuck that. you can't prove that in any way. just become some ass hole reporter thinks help would have been there faster you should believe everything he says right? i guess we should listen to everything the news thinks and take it as fact. dumb ass...

[night in town]

mike myers' expression was fucking priceless.

[Trainsaw]

i'm interested in seeing if bush even responds to this, whats he gonna say "I do so care about black people"

[Fallinlove]

mike myers' expression was fucking priceless.
:ditto:

[FondestMemory]

i'm not black, so i'm not gonna agree or disagree with kanye. i honestly have no idea how accurate that statement is. i do know there's history though other than this disaster that he may draw some of his opinion from (i.e. florida in 2000).

but what i will say though is that bush has done a horrible, horrible job dealing with this.

action could have been taken sooner. support could have been rallied earlier. he could have addressed the nation and shown concern earlier. which, honestly, i don't think he's even done that yet.

times like this are where we need our president to step up and give us hope. be a leader. please.

[ThisIsSoBrandNw]

fuck kanye west, he is the biggest racies asshole, if you watched the Mtv after show he was about to hate on fall out boy and say he couldnt believe they would ever beat mike jones and did say i cant believe greenday beat snoop dog...fuck that is all i have to say and i have no respect for this man

[Scud]

well just look at the way the news portrayed the events. theres that comedic link floating around the internet portraying whites as "finding bread and water" and the black man is "looting bread and water" theres a huge differance between looting and finding. personally i think kanye west is right. president bush doesnt like blacks.

[NameTaken69]

i think that bush should have maybe taken quicker action and im not a very big bush supporter, but idk if national tv is the place to make a comment like that, i mean he is intitled to his own oppinion, but i dont think the hurricane was a thing of race. everyone got hit, whether they were rich or poor, white or black, and i dont think we should divide the people of NO by color now, we should be coming together instead

[Goodbye Forever]

fuck kanye west, he is the biggest racies asshole, if you watched the Mtv after show he was about to hate on fall out boy and say he couldnt believe they would ever beat mike jones and did say i cant believe greenday beat snoop dog...fuck that is all i have to say and i have no respect for this man

Yes, because not being into pop-punk = racism.

[beenbrokenx]

i do think that Bush hasn't quite responded...the wholoe government hasn't quite responded as quickly and efficiently as seemingly possible. but i dont think it has anything to do with race. im just pissed off that conditions deteriorated so quickly, with no immediate response from the government. as someone said on the the news, a firetruck from new york city made it to new orleans before some of the national guard and government aid rolled in. that to me, is a disgrace.

all we can do is donate, support, and continue to pray. kanye said his piece as ignorant it may have been but i feel like this has affected everyone, so being caught in the moment he may not have realized that he was saying that, but just was frustrated. With a war, you can blame the country/people waging the war. With mother nature, there really is no one to blame. you can blame the government for its response time...the people who are in desperation losing their minds, and shooting at helicopters...

okay. end of rant. but watching tv makes me sick to my stomach to see the conditions these people are dealing with.

[ThisIsSoBrandNw]

Point is, this was a tragedy, people were warned to leave, i understand some couldnt and i feel awful for them. I also feel awful that people are living in what they are. Which brings me to the looting, i understand a 15 yearold stealing food, but if you watch the news you see these people run out of clothing stores with 20 dresses, that is ridiculous. Also this has nothing to do with bush and this is another fuck bush argument, it was a natural disaster and hes been trying to deal with it the best he could.

[crit]

rawr its crit: kanye west says
rawr its crit: "george bush doesnt care about black people"
rawr its crit: your thoughts?
NoneMoreBlack25: well that is not true
NoneMoreBlack25: he needs some to take care of his ranch

[ThisIsSoBrandNw]

Yes, because not being into pop-punk = racism.no the fact that he says...bush doesnt care about black people, but he doesnt care about white people at all

[CLoach]

i'm interested in seeing if bush even responds to this, whats he gonna say "I do so care about black people"

bush shouldnt have to respond to it. who cares what some dumb ass thinks. a lot of people think a lot of things. why is his comment different from anyone elses? cuz he is mr west? who cares. he is still no better then everyone else.

[Trainsaw]

fuck kanye west, he is the biggest racies asshole, if you watched the Mtv after show he was about to hate on fall out boy and say he couldnt believe they would ever beat mike jones and did say i cant believe greenday beat snoop dog...fuck that is all i have to say and i have no respect for this man
fall out boy does suck

[xshady121]

Wow. Kanye West just lost massive points in my book? Bush hates the black people?

What happend after the Tsunami in Asia? People complained that we weren't giving enough aid. So after a disaster of the same magnitude strikes here in America, do countries try and help us? So far the only countries to offer help are Venezula with extra gas and Germany. 2 countries. How many offered to help the tsunami victims? Thats hippocricy at its finest.

Another is Bush isn't doing enough to save them? How do you save people that don't want to be saved? There are some shooting at rescue workers? Are the rescuers supposed to risk there lives to save people, and worry about getting shot by some radical black person still concerned about making up for slavery and the "constant years of oppression of the black man by the white man". Oh god. Kanye. Stick to making music.

I'm so pissed i bought the Kanye cd yesterday.

[Goodbye Forever]

no the fact that he says...bush doesnt care about black people, but he doesnt care about white people at all

Hahahaha.

So because he doesn't like Fall Out Boy or Green Day, he doesn't care about white people?

[ThisIsSoBrandNw]

fall out boy does suckyou are completely missing the point..

[bones jones]

i couldnt disagree with kanye west more. what happened in new orleans is not a matter of race. its a matter of theres a ton of fuckin people there who dont have homes. guess what? alot of them are black. what else? theres white people too? no way. i suppose george bush plotted the goddamn hurricane too just to kill off blacks and raise gas prices. gimme a break.
nick stark does not care about black people.

[ThisIsSoBrandNw]

Hahahaha.

So because he doesn't like Fall Out Boy or Green Day, he doesn't care about white people?no the fact that he always come out with the bullshit he says, fuck fall out boy and greenday, i dont care...the fact is greenday is playing a show for money on this event, is he? no hes getting ready to get money from his cd

[Emokidlikewhat]

nick stark does not care about black people.
haha i hate you scott

[Trainsaw]

you are completely missing the point..
you made a pretty invalid point there, because he can't believe Fall Out Boy and Green Day won, he hates white people? That's like someone saying they hate rap music, really means they hate black people

[stereokills]

Kanye has been making some crazy statements recently. did anyone see the interview he did with that horrible mtv host sway? the one where in the middle he just went off about gay rights and how pissed he was he didn twin an AMA. i think hes gone off his rocker. oh well as long as he keeps producing common, talib, and others i will liek him, but i think homeboy's gone insane

[turtleman]

Kanye West isn't very articulate is he?

[night in town]

george bush doesn't care about any people but rich people.

[byebyebeautiful]

rawr its crit: kanye west says
rawr its crit: "george bush doesnt care about black people"
rawr its crit: your thoughts?
NoneMoreBlack25: well that is not true
NoneMoreBlack25: he needs some to take care of his ranch

oh, crit.

and i've met you once or twice. i'm kelly anne cashman's friend.

xoxo conor

[KENNY182]

Honestly , Kanye West is an ignorant fool. He was on Power 106 here in california one time saying he wanted to like remix and do some stuff with "white people music" he was talking about Franz Ferdinand and such bands like that. who does he think he is ? if any white person , especially a celebrity or a musician made a remark like that you know people would make a big deal about it.

Kanye doesn't understand the situation, and maybe if he wrote more positive influential music, that goes for all rappers, it might change the way people who listen to hip hop act ! it's a sad fact, sorry !


I'm not racist !

[ThisIsSoBrandNw]

you made a pretty invalid point there, because he can't believe Fall Out Boy and Green Day won, he hates white people? That's like someone saying they hate rap music, really means they hate black peopleHe never says one postive thing about white people, and its not that i even care about that...its his fucking attitude toward everything, last year he bitched about not winning....hes not that fucking good

[crit]

an interview with the mayor of New Orleans...maybe as honest as you'll ever hear a politician.: here (http://www.zen41771.zen.co.uk.nyud.net:809 0/WWL-AM Interview Nagin.mp3)

[Trainsaw]

Kanye West isn't very articulate is he?
i think he was pretty nervous to say what was on his mind

[Goodbye Forever]

What happend after the Tsunami in Asia? People complained that we weren't giving enough aid. So after a disaster of the same magnitude strikes here in America, do countries try and help us? So far the only countries to offer help are Venezula with extra gas and Germany. 2 countries. How many offered to help the tsunami victims? Thats hippocricy at its finest..

Although I'm not sure what 'hippocricy' is...

http://www.foxnews.com/story/0,2933,168203,00.html#cool

And the countries that were struck by the tsunami were countries that for the most part, were in absolute poverty. America is the richest and most powerful country in the world. There's a big fucking difference.

[Trainsaw]

He never says one postive thing about white people, and its not that i even care about that...its his fucking attitude toward everything, last year he bitched about not winning....hes not that fucking good
yes he does, he praises white bands all the time, Fiano Apple, John Mayer, Maroon 5, Franz Ferndanan (sp)

[ThisIsSoBrandNw]

and i dont understand why some of you people are standing up for this man...he is the biggest "im gonna use racist to get what i want" there is...i have nothing against black and i have alot of black friends, coming from atlanta...but there is a differnce btwn a black person who has moved on and some1 who tries to use smoething that happened so long ago for more

[Goodbye Forever]

no the fact that he always come out with the bullshit he says, fuck fall out boy and greenday, i dont care...the fact is greenday is playing a show for money on this event, is he? no hes getting ready to get money from his cd

He was just on an event to raise money for this. In case you didn't notice, THAT'S WHAT THIS WHOLE CONVERSATION IS ABOUT.

[Trainsaw]

Honestly , Kanye West is an ignorant fool. He was on Power 106 here in california one time saying he wanted to like remix and do some stuff with "white people music" he was talking about Franz Ferdinand and such bands like that. who does he think he is ? if any white person , especially a celebrity or a musician made a remark like that you know people would make a big deal about it.

Kanye doesn't understand the situation, and maybe if he wrote more positive influential music, that goes for all rappers, it might change the way people who listen to hip hop act ! it's a sad fact, sorry !


I'm not racist !
he's speaking what everyone else is thinking, rock = white people music, rap = black people music

[KENNY182]

another thing, isn't it crazy how we all dislike bush in so many ways, but when it comes to this we are all offended?

[falloutncambria]

what the hell can you do if 2/3 of new orleans residents are black and poor? there was a mandatory evacuation of the city prior to the hurricane and the reason people are dying are because they didn't have the means to evacuate. those that didn't have the means are the lower class which happens to be predoinantly black. tons of our national guard are in iraq right now also, you can't start putting iraq on the backburner all of a sudden and bringing them home for this. sorry

[ThisIsSoBrandNw]

ok, whatever, i really dont have an attention to make people argue right now. I respect most everyone on this board and dont want everyone fighting with me...but he is a fucking idiot, all he does is bitch...and his rap sucks

[ahhobbits]

here is the thing though. it is not discriminating to black or white people. there were poor black people living there before the storm. it just so happens that the black community there is very poor. it is not selection of race, it is helping the poor. i dont see why everyone makes it such a white/black issue. we as a RACE OF PEOPLE need to come together to help everyone.

maybe i am wrong, but that is my opinion.I agree.

I live about forty-five minutes away from New Orleans, and I have spent much of my life in the city. A lot of the black population of New Orleans is poorer, so they are the ones that couldn't evacuate.

I don't understand how this is racist.

Sure, Bush could have done a better job getting them out, but with some of them shooting at helicopters and policemen, I don't understand how they expect to get help.

I think that this whole thing has just been a shock, and I'm betting that a lot of the reason the government (Federal, state, and local) hasn't responded as much as they probably should is the fact that for awhile they just didn't know. They had all those newscasters down in the city, but they didn't really know enough about the situation to send people in.

The whole situation is awful, but right now I'm just so glad that the remaining people are getting out of New Orleans.

[ThisIsSoBrandNw]

he's speaking what everyone else is thinking, rock = white people music, rap = black people musicthats not true because i like alot of black music

[Trainsaw]

and i dont understand why some of you people are standing up for this man...he is the biggest "im gonna use racist to get what i want" there is...i have nothing against black and i have alot of black friends, coming from atlanta...but there is a differnce btwn a black person who has moved on and some1 who tries to use smoething that happened so long ago for more
because #1 he's in america and has the right to say what he feels, #2 weither you want to believe it or not, america isn't exactly non-racial anymore, #3 he isn't using something from a long time ago, race is still a huge issue in america he's simply stating what is being portrayed of blacks in america now, that they're the ones doing the looting and whites are the ones surviving and finding

[Goodbye Forever]

and i dont understand why some of you people are standing up for this man...he is the biggest "im gonna use racist to get what i want" there is...i have nothing against black and i have alot of black friends, coming from atlanta...but there is a differnce btwn a black person who has moved on and some1 who tries to use smoething that happened so long ago for more

"Happened so long ago?" Are you crazy? Do you think racism doesn't exist anymore?

Really man, you're making my head spin with this nonsense.

[Trainsaw]

another thing, isn't it crazy how we all dislike bush in so many ways, but when it comes to this we are all offended?
i wasn't offended what so ever.

[KENNY182]

he's speaking what everyone else is thinking, rock = white people music, rap = black people music

^ I know it is obvious rock music is white music and rap music is black music, but the fact that he thinks he can come along and tarnish "White" music, which he obviously doesn't understand, it's just not right.


I would not let anyone like that touch my music, cause they don't understand it.

[ThisIsSoBrandNw]

My arguement is blamming bush for this is fucking ridiculous...i dont even support alot of what bush does, but you can not blame him on this....i mean there people running around shooting/raping girls, so dont use this he doesnt care about black people shit....there is no reason for how some people are acting

[Trainsaw]

^ I know it is obvious rock music is white music and rap music is black music, but the fact that he thinks he can come along and tarnish "White" music, which he obviously doesn't understand, it's just not right.


I would not let anyone like that touch my music, cause they don't understand it.
wtf are you talking about, touch your music? He's gonna tarnish "White" music, because he's black you think he doesn't understand it?

[ThisIsSoBrandNw]

there is racism, get the fuck over it, because alot of black people have...and they are very respectable and i learn from them, people like him i could give a shit about

[Trainsaw]

My arguement is blamming bush for this is fucking ridiculous...i dont even support alot of what bush does, but you can not blame him on this....i mean there people running around shooting/raping girls, so dont use this he doesnt care about black people shit....there is no reason for how some people are acting
i think he's blaming bush more for the fact that our support for this is cut short because he's got our resources fighting a war in another country while blacks here are poor and dieing, he's trying to liberate people that aren't even US citizens

[YourLatestVicti]

because #1 he's in america and has the right to say what he feels, #2 weither you want to believe it or not, america isn't exactly non-racial anymore, #3 he isn't using something from a long time ago, race is still a huge issue in america he's simply stating what is being portrayed of blacks in america now, that they're the ones doing the looting and whites are the ones surviving and finding
Of course we live in a racist society. Just look at affirmative action. Keeping the white man down.

On a more serious note I agree with for the most part with the exception of the perception of the blacks looting and the whites surviving. That one example with the two pictures doesn't really mean that much because it's two seperate news sources. If you show me the same news source that says whites are surviving and blacks are looting I'll admit I'm wrong.

[ThisIsSoBrandNw]

wtf are you talking about, touch your music? He's gonna tarnish "White" music, because he's black you think he doesn't understand it?serioussly wtf is wrong with you, this is over blamming bush over nothing...and if you can say/prove bush doesnt care about black people because of this hurricane then fucking do it, if not this is over

[DemolitionLover]

I only read the first page but I think Kanye could have a point. Hell just by saying that, it'll pressure Bush into putting more effort into the relief.

I read one comment on the front page that said something along the lines of Kanye blaming Bush for the hurricane itself. My question for you is: Are you fucking serious? Kanye is saying the people that need help are the mostly poor (and incidentally black) people there, and we aren't providing it.

But to anyone in New Orleans who had the ability/option to get out, but chose not to. You don't have my sympathy.

[ThisIsSoBrandNw]

i think he's blaming bush more for the fact that our support for this is cut short because he's got our resources fighting a war in another country while blacks here are poor and dieing, he's trying to liberate people that aren't even US citizensi think you need to realize , coming from someone who doesnt support bush or the war for the most part, he has had a very hard time in office and has attempted to do thebest he could, and yes i would rather have military in a war so we dont have another 9/11 over crazy people raping girls becuase there is no authority there

[djrobg918]

that is the STUPIDEST thing anyone could say......

irreguardless of whether or not you like george bush... what does that have to do with anything??






ignorance.


and i thought kanye was somewhat smart

[Trainsaw]

serioussly wtf is wrong with you, this is over blamming bush over nothing...and if you can say/prove bush doesnt care about black people because of this hurricane then fucking do it, if not this is over
Its a matter of opinion, i'm simply showing that Kanye has a right to his opinon and showing reason on why he thinks that Bush doesn't care about black people, you're the one saying "IF YOU DON'T LIKE FOB YOU HATE WHITE PEOPLE!?!!"

[BrandFuckingNew]

when george bush sells 800,000+ in his first week, i'll listen to him.

[Trainsaw]

i think you need to realize , coming from someone who doesnt support bush or the war for the most part, he has had a very hard time in office and has attempted to do thebest he could, and yes i would rather have military in a war so we dont have another 9/11 over crazy people raping girls becuase there is no authority there
Don't even get started on we're in Iraq because it could have been another 9/11, it has been proven already and the Bush administration has admitted it "There was no WMDs, They didn't have ties to 9/11"

[YourLatestVicti]

when george bush sells 800,000+ in his first week, i'll listen to him.
haha. Nice.

[fsasatticus]

when george bush sells 800,000+ in his first week, i'll listen to him.
love that one!

[BrandFuckingNew]

that is the STUPIDEST thing anyone could say......

irreguardless of whether or not you like george bush... what does that have to do with anything??






ignorance.


and i thought kanye was somewhat smart

you cant claim something is the 'stupidest thing anyone can say' and then segue with a word that doesn't even exist. die.

[Manbotisdead]

wow i just lost alot of respect for kanye west with that ignorant comment...thats really stupid and ridiculous.say what you like, but he has the balls to say what he believes and that is good. The fact that you disagree with him is irrelevant.

[quiksilver21k]

that is the most ignorant thing I have ever heard Kanye say. Im not a Bush man myself...but that has NOTHING to do with race. jeez...

[ThisIsSoBrandNw]

i dont care about fucking fall out boy and kanye west, because he will be gone in two years neways when rap dies...hell, fob might be to, but he says the stupidest shit

[YourLatestVicti]

i dont care about fucking fall out boy and kanye west, because he will be gone in two years neways when rap dies...hell, fob might be to, but he says the stupidest shit
Rap isn't going anywhere for a while.

[BrandFuckingNew]

at least he managed to get you asshole scenesters talking about this shit. now go donate.

[Trainsaw]

i dont care about fucking fall out boy and kanye west, because he will be gone in two years neways when rap dies...hell, fob might be to, but he says the stupidest shit
hahahahahaha i seriously doubt Rap is going to die, its bigger than rock right now, and Kanye West is leading it, that was perhaps the most ignorant thing i've ever heard.

[ThisIsSoBrandNw]

the arguement is this is not over race...and people like kanye try to start shit that isnt needed right now...people are dying and need food, why doesnt he fucking help them, all he does is run his mouth and have parties while the hurricane is coming..

look up a quote from him, cuz it goes something like...i would never let a hurricane stop one of my parties...if hes so concerned he needs to get his ass out there and help and not sit and bitch

hahahahahaha i seriously doubt Rap is going to die, its bigger than rock right now, and Kanye West is leading it, that was perhaps the most ignorant thing i've ever heard.i understand rap is HUGE right now, but it is loosing power atleast here, and i live in atlanta

[KENNY182]

wtf are you talking about, touch your music? He's gonna tarnish "White" music, because he's black you think he doesn't understand it


let me elaborate, if you heard how he described "white" music, you would understand that he doesn't know what he is talking about, he should have no place in "white' music just to make more money.

I just can't stand someone being succesfull by ripping something off that they don't understand or appreciate.


i didn't say black people can't listen to rock, I was saying Kanye shouldn't touch the music that takes true talent to create. there is no talent in sampling other people songs so you can look cool ! booo

[Trainsaw]

the arguement is this is not over race...and people like kanye try to start shit that isnt needed right now...people are dying and need food, why doesnt he fucking help them, all he does is run his mouth and have parties while the hurricane is coming..

look up a quote from him, cuz it goes something like...i would never let a hurricane stop one of my parties...if hes so concerned he needs to get his ass out there and help and not sit and bitch
he is donating, also It is needed, maybe this will help get those people evacuated and saved a lot quicker. Because someone finally spoke up and said something about the poor black people that are not getting the help they need

[night in town]

the arguement is this is not over race...and people like kanye try to start shit that isnt needed right now...people are dying and need food, why doesnt he fucking help them, all he does is run his mouth and have parties while the hurricane is coming..

look up a quote from him, cuz it goes something like...i would never let a hurricane stop one of my parties...if hes so concerned he needs to get his ass out there and help and not sit and bitch

i understand rap is HUGE right now, but it is loosing power atleast here, and i live in atlanta
he seemed concerned to me in the video. to the point of tears almost.

[NoseOverTail]

I'm going to bed. I predict this thread will have somewhere around 400 replies by the time I wake up.

[Goodbye Forever]

there is racism, get the fuck over it, because alot of black people have...and they are very respectable and i learn from them, people like him i could give a shit about

Ugh, I was going to write a response, but I'm not going to bother with you anymore. Until you can remove your head from your asshole and look at the bigger picture, you aren't worth my time.

[Trainsaw]

the arguement is this is not over race...and people like kanye try to start shit that isnt needed right now...people are dying and need food, why doesnt he fucking help them, all he does is run his mouth and have parties while the hurricane is coming..

look up a quote from him, cuz it goes something like...i would never let a hurricane stop one of my parties...if hes so concerned he needs to get his ass out there and help and not sit and bitch

i understand rap is HUGE right now, but it is loosing power atleast here, and i live in atlanta
well its not going anywhere so i wouldn't worry about that mkay? :thumbsup:

[YourLatestVicti]

the arguement is this is not over race...and people like kanye try to start shit that isnt needed right now...people are dying and need food, why doesnt he fucking help them, all he does is run his mouth and have parties while the hurricane is coming..

look up a quote from him, cuz it goes something like...i would never let a hurricane stop one of my parties...if hes so concerned he needs to get his ass out there and help and not sit and bitch

i understand rap is HUGE right now, but it is loosing power atleast here, and i live in atlanta
Speaking of celebs helping has anyone else read what Deion Sanders is trying to do? He's asking every proffessional athelete to donate money. I used to think he was an arrogant ass but he's doing what I feel Kanye would have been better off doing. Using his status to raise money.

[ThisIsSoBrandNw]

he is donating, also It is needed, maybe this will help get those people evacuated and saved a lot quicker. Because someone finally spoke up and said something about the poor black people that are not getting the help they needwtf man, there are poor white people there...

[Trainsaw]

because black people didnt lay the groundwork for rock music. because tv on the radio and bloc party didn't come out and blow 80% of music being made out of the water. riiight.

exactly.

[ThisIsSoBrandNw]

i just dont get how you are backing a man who runs his mouth every chance he gets on shit that isnt even true

[lostromanticxx]

yeah you're right. the help came quick and fast for the poor of n.o.

glad to see they're out of harms way.

If the help of our Federal government and the Red Cross came fast enough, then please explain to me why there's so many sick people still stranded in hospitals and in the superdome? Some of these people haven't eaten in four to five days, so help didn't come fast enough and these people aren't out of harm's way just yet, there's more dying everyday from lack of water and malnourishment and their the elderly and the children. So if you think everyone is out of harm's way... turn on CNN or MSNBC news and tell me that when you see those poor people crying on television because they don't have a fucking pot to piss in.

[KENNY182]

because black people didnt lay the groundwork for rock music. because tv on the radio and bloc party didn't come out and blow 80% of music being made out of the water. riiight.


huh ? and what about bloc party ? yes , they have a black singer, but he understands rock, cummon, the songs are amazing. he's not a rapper. Rappers, the ignorant ones, like kanye, shouldn't touch what they don't understand.


how would they like it if some rich white dudes started rapping about growing up in the ghetto and having nice cars and doing girls?

[Trainsaw]

wtf man, there are poor white people there...
i'm pretty much done w/ you, your "Rap will die" comment proved you have no clue in what you're talking about.

huh ? and what about bloc party ? yes , they have a black singer, but he understands rock, cummon, the songs are amazing. he's not a rapper. Rappers, the ignorant ones, like kanye, shouldn't touch what they don't understand.


how would they like it if some rich white dudes started rapping about growing up in the ghetto and having nice cars and doing girls?
Enimem? and alot of the rap community embraces Em, esp Kanye west whom has expressed desire to work w/ him many times

[jfb392]

Kanye is right.
End of story.

[ThisIsSoBrandNw]

point is, this is not bush's fault, and he needs to quit running his mouth whenever he can over nothing and fucking help rather then bitch

[BrandFuckingNew]

Poor Green People Would Be Dying. If They Existed. Donate.

[ThisIsSoBrandNw]

i'm pretty much done w/ you, your "Rap will die" comment proved you have no clue in what you're talking about.


Enimem?fucking look at what sells more now...kanye will never top greenday/cold play, it wont happen rap wont top those...

[night in town]

Enimem?
i was going to say that.

[KENNY182]

point is, this is not bush's fault, and he needs to quit running his mouth whenever he can over nothing and fucking help rather then bitch


true that^



seriously, Kanye should have been in Team America along with Tim Robbins and Sean penn

[Trainsaw]

i didn't say black people can't listen to rock, I was saying Kanye shouldn't touch the music that takes true talent to create. there is no talent in sampling other people songs so you can look cool ! booo
when you can produce a track by using a sample like kanye west can let me know, because believe me its a lot harder than writing a 4 chord wonder like FOB or Green Day

[ThisIsSoBrandNw]

and dont say rap wont die, nothing last forever

[Booyah Achieved]

What the fuck else are these people supposed to think? Would you think your president gives a shit about you if you're stuck on a fucking freeway for 5 days with no food or water?

And I certainly wouldn't think he cares if I saw any of that asshole's spineless speeches over the last few days...

[ThisIsSoBrandNw]

when you can produce a track by using a sample like kanye west can let me know, because believe me its a lot harder than writing a 4 chord wonder like FOB or Green Dayseriously man fuck off if your gonna be a dick, all your doing is trashing white music and shit...you still havent defended how this is bushs fault

[BrandFuckingNew]

kanye is down with jon brion. therefore, whatever he says, goes.

[Manbotisdead]

is that what black people sing about? you realize you make no sense right? have you listened to a kanye west cd? you do realize there is more to rap than is played on the radio. would it be fair for your precious rock to be judged by nickleback and creed?
Rap is as creative as the musician behind it, just like any other form of music.

[jfb392]

Poor Green People Would Be Dying. If They Existed. Donate.:lol:

[ThisIsSoBrandNw]

Rap is as creative as the musician behind it, just like any other form of music.solid statement

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[KENNY182]

Enimem? and alot of the rap community embraces Em, esp Kanye west whom has expressed desire to work w/ him many times

you guys are missing the point, i am talking about rappers in general, not just the ones who are black. I think Eminem is great, but if he said stupid things like Kanye, he would lose credibility, and respect.


this isn't a race thing coming from me, but it is coming from that fool Kanye ! Holla !


we can all agree that most rap music doesn't have a positive influence on people.


JIMMY EAT WORLD IS AMAZING !

[Manbotisdead]

when you can produce a track by using a sample like kanye west can let me know, because believe me its a lot harder than writing a 4 chord wonder like FOB or Green DayThat is the truth.

[NameTaken69]

an interview with the mayor of New Orleans...maybe as honest as you'll ever hear a politician.: here (http://www.zen41771.zen.co.uk.nyud.net:809 0/WWL-AM Interview Nagin.mp3)

wow, thats a very good point, pretty powerful interview, thats an honest man for you

[Trainsaw]

fucking look at what sells more now...kanye will never top greenday/cold play, it wont happen rap wont top those...
if you want to take a look at the year end charts for 2004 be my guest buddy

http://www.billboard.com/bb/biz/yearendcharts/2004/tlptitl.jsp

[ThisIsSoBrandNw]

but from the start this is him blamming bush...someone please fucking defend that and tell me how this was bushs fault

[Goodbye Forever]

we can all agree that most rap music doesn't have a positive influence on people.

Ho. Ly. Shit.

Please tell me that was a joke.

Oh Jesus.

[lostromanticxx]

fuck kanye west, he is the biggest racies asshole, if you watched the Mtv after show he was about to hate on fall out boy and say he couldnt believe they would ever beat mike jones and did say i cant believe greenday beat snoop dog...fuck that is all i have to say and i have no respect for this man
You're a fucking idiot. That's a matter of Kayne's opinion on music. He happens to appericiate Mike Jones much more as an artist whether he's black or not, he's clearly not into Fall Out Boy's style. He's a black rapper, of course he's going to want another black singer to win the award. So if he's racist for having a different taste then you, well then I guess you're kind of fucking stupid.

[ThisIsSoBrandNw]

if you want to take a look at the year end charts for 2004 be my guest buddy

http://www.billboard.com/bb/biz/yearendcharts/2004/tlptitl.jsphey asshole, we are in 2005 now....times change

[FondestMemory]

fucking look at what sells more now...kanye will never top greenday/cold play, it wont happen rap wont top those...
yeah, i think he will. coldplay at least. he's gonna open with about the same amount as coldplay did, and records like his have longer staying power. and if i'm correct, i believe fifty cent is the best selling album this year so far. rap isn't going anywhere. rap will always outsell rock. sure, there will be a few rock albums that outsell rap, but there will be far more that don't.

If the help of our Federal government and the Red Cross came fast enough, then please explain to me why there's so many sick people still stranded in hospitals and in the superdome? Some of these people haven't eaten in four to five days, so help didn't come fast enough and these people aren't out of harm's way just yet, there's more dying everyday from lack of water and malnourishment and their the elderly and the children. So if you think everyone is out of harm's way... turn on CNN or MSNBC news and tell me that when you see those poor people crying on television because they don't have a fucking pot to piss in.
i think somebody doesn't immediately catch on to sarcasm.

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You make the best point out of everyone. :thumbsup:

[fsasatticus]

Poor Green People Would Be Dying. If They Existed. Donate.
this is true. whether it was a white/black community or a community of people with purple and and green poka dots, there would still be devestation. no one wins in this situation. making racial statements takes away from the needs of the people.

make an effort. donate blood, money, supplies!! everything helps!

[Trainsaw]

seriously man fuck off if your gonna be a dick, all your doing is trashing white music and shit...you still havent defended how this is bushs fault
I don't have to defend how this is Bush's fault, it was Kanye West's opinion that it was, you want it to be defended then ask him why he thinks that, i like "White Music" i just think that FOB and Green Day are over rated. I've been listening to "White Music" all my life and i apprecaite it, the only thing is, i appreciate "Black Music" also. You're the fucking retard who can't appreciate both.

[KENNY182]

is that what black people sing about? you realize you make no sense right? have you listened to a kanye west cd? you do realize there is more to rap than is played on the radio. would it be fair for your precious rock to be judged by nickleback and creed?

Kanye may write some clever songs that you can admire, but the things he does outside of muic should show you the kind of person he really is!

If the guys Brand New made rediculous comments like Kanye did, do you think we would love that band as much as we do ? NO !

[Trainsaw]

hey asshole, we are in 2005 now....times change
yes numb nuts but you didn't think that Rap could outsell or be bigger than Green Day but i believe if you look on that chart KW was very far ahead. and he is still very far ahead of Green Day

[ThisIsSoBrandNw]

I don't have to defend how this is Bush's fault, it was Kanye West's opinion that it was, you want it to be defended then ask him why he thinks that, i like "White Music" i just think that FOB and Green Day are over rated. I've been listening to "White Music" all my life and i apprecaite it, the only thing is, i appreciate "Black Music" also. You're the fucking retard who can't appreciate both.bullshit man, i own alomst every tupac/nas cd there is

[whatisautumn]

dang i wished i would of seen that

[rude_awakenings]

that's hilarious.
I was watching the program, then he said it and I was shocked; almost didn't believe what he said.
Hehe, oh Kanye!

[ThisIsSoBrandNw]

yes numb nuts but you didn't think that Rap could outsell or be bigger than Green Day but i believe if you look on that chart KW was very far ahead.ok man, defend rap, all i can say to you is....nothing last forever...britney spears was rap 6 years ago

[Trainsaw]

bullshit man, i own alomst every tupac/nas cd there is
good for you.

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[Trainsaw]

ok man, defend rap, all i can say to you is....nothing last forever...britney spears was rap 6 years ago
and Rap was Rap 6 years ago and look where its still at.

[ThisIsSoBrandNw]

good for you.so dont say i fucking dont except rap

[n8showoff]

#1: kanye's first statement about looting makes total sense. media does suck.
#2: kanye's second statement about bush was way out of line. doesn't make any sense to be honest with you.
#3: kanye's statements are welcomed in our country, and probably needed to be said (besides the bush thing), but wrong place and time
#4: to say "if it was white people there, the relief would have come quicker" is ignorant. even the people actually there needing help have underestimated the devistation. yes, they do need help, and it hasn't come quick enough, but that bitch of a storm fucked a lot more shit up than expected.
#5: the mayor of New Orleans' interview was excellent. right place and time.
#6: looting is bad. rape is bad. shooting at helicopters is bad. shooting at hospitals is bad.

[Trainsaw]

what i remember from the interview he didn't say it was bush's fault. he said bush doesn't care about black people. which may or may not be true. i think this is an issued of class just as much as race, if a disaster had struck connecticut people would have been mobilized much quicker, maybe that's me being naive though.

1 CONFESSIONS Usher LaFace/Zomba
2 SPEAKERBOXXX/THE LOVE BELOW OutKast LaFace/Zomba
3 CLOSER Josh Groban 143/Reprise/Warner Bros.
4 THE DIARY OF ALICIA KEYS Alicia Keys J/RMG
5 FEELS LIKE HOME Norah Jones Blue Note
6 FALLEN Evanescence Wind-up
7 SHOCK'N Y'ALL Toby Keith DreamWorks (Nashville)/Interscope
8 IN THE ZONE Britney Spears Jive/Zomba
9 THE VERY BEST OF SHERYL CROW Sheryl Crow A&M/Interscope
10 WHEN THE SUN GOES DOWN Kenny Chesney BNA/RLG
11 THE BLACK ALBUM Jay-Z Roc-A-Fella/Def Jam/IDJMG
12 THE COLLEGE DROPOUT Kanye West Roc-A-Fella/Def Jam/IDJMG
13 NOW 14 Various Artists Columbia/Universal/EMI/Zomba/Sony Music
14 IN THIS SKIN Jessica Simpson Columbia/Sony Music
15 SONGS ABOUT JANE Maroon5 Octone/J/RMG
16 NOW 16 Various Artists Universal/EMI/Sony Music/Zomba/UMe
17 METAMORPHOSIS Hilary Duff Buena Vista/Hollywood
18 AUTOBIOGRAPHY Ashlee Simpson Geffen/Interscope
19 HERE FOR THE PARTY Gretchen Wilson Epic (Nashville)/Sony Music
20 BEG FOR MERCY G-Unit G-Unit/Interscope

uhhh. you were saying?

and isnt kanye on pace sell 800,000 his first week?
very much so, w/ i believe 1.7 mil preordered

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[Trainsaw]

so dont say i fucking dont except rap
you seem to down it alot for someone that likes it

[ThisIsSoBrandNw]

what i remember from the interview he didn't say it was bush's fault. he said bush doesn't care about black people. which may or may not be true. i think this is an issued of class just as much as race, if a disaster had struck connecticut people would have been mobilized much quicker, maybe that's me being naive though.

1 CONFESSIONS Usher LaFace/Zomba
2 SPEAKERBOXXX/THE LOVE BELOW OutKast LaFace/Zomba
3 CLOSER Josh Groban 143/Reprise/Warner Bros.
4 THE DIARY OF ALICIA KEYS Alicia Keys J/RMG
5 FEELS LIKE HOME Norah Jones Blue Note
6 FALLEN Evanescence Wind-up
7 SHOCK'N Y'ALL Toby Keith DreamWorks (Nashville)/Interscope
8 IN THE ZONE Britney Spears Jive/Zomba
9 THE VERY BEST OF SHERYL CROW Sheryl Crow A&M/Interscope
10 WHEN THE SUN GOES DOWN Kenny Chesney BNA/RLG
11 THE BLACK ALBUM Jay-Z Roc-A-Fella/Def Jam/IDJMG
12 THE COLLEGE DROPOUT Kanye West Roc-A-Fella/Def Jam/IDJMG
13 NOW 14 Various Artists Columbia/Universal/EMI/Zomba/Sony Music
14 IN THIS SKIN Jessica Simpson Columbia/Sony Music
15 SONGS ABOUT JANE Maroon5 Octone/J/RMG
16 NOW 16 Various Artists Universal/EMI/Sony Music/Zomba/UMe
17 METAMORPHOSIS Hilary Duff Buena Vista/Hollywood
18 AUTOBIOGRAPHY Ashlee Simpson Geffen/Interscope
19 HERE FOR THE PARTY Gretchen Wilson Epic (Nashville)/Sony Music
20 BEG FOR MERCY G-Unit G-Unit/Interscope

uhhh. you were saying?

and isnt kanye on pace sell 800,000 his first week?wait and see is all i can say, and good for him if does, cuz then insted of bithcing he can give that money he makes to this since bush doesnt care

[YourLatestVicti]

Who fucking cares whether or not rap sells better than rock. People lost their fucking homes and you're spending your time arguing over whether or not Green Day sold better than Kanye. Whether or not Kanye sold more you're losing sight of the fact that he called out our president most likely hoping more help would be sent to the victims.

[BrandFuckingNew]

i heard vagrant stole them.

[Booyah Achieved]

I just have to ask once again, when seeing George Bush's speeches on the Katrina relief efforts, how can you come to any other conclusion?

After 9/11, he was clear and concise...rallying the people together

Katrina...yeah, not so much

[ThisIsSoBrandNw]

you seem to down it alot for someone that likes itI down it because, nelly, ja rule, t.i. petty pablo, thats bullshit and people buy it...nas, tupac, biggy,dre thats some good shit ill even give eminem and 50 cent some cred, not huge on them but

[Trainsaw]

wait and see is all i can say, and good for him if does, cuz then insted of bithcing he can give that money he makes to this since bush doesnt care
alright but where is your "Kanye West will never be as big as Green Day" arguement now

[FondestMemory]

but from the start this is him blamming bush...someone please fucking defend that and tell me how this was bushs fault
nobody said the hurricane was bush's fault.

i think the majority of opinion though, not just on this board, is that bush didn't act as quickly as he could of.

a lot of people blame the fact that action wasn't taken sooner on the fact that so many troops are in iraq. some blame him, and government in general, for not having a preset plan in case anything like this ever happened.

nobody blames him for the hurricane though.

[Booyah Achieved]

and I do blame him for cutting funding from FEMA

[BrandFuckingNew]

nobody's "blamming" anybody. BLAM! (http://www.redcross.org)

[GAD_guy]

george bush doesn't care about white people either.
unless their last name is bush.

[ThisIsSoBrandNw]

my chemical romance, evanesence, nickleback, puddle of mudd. people buy that too.and thats good

[lostromanticxx]

You know what, 70% of the south is black. You don't see white people on the news crying about needining aid and supplies. So what does that tell you? Bush likes powerful people. He doesn't give a fuck about those of us that are only middle class. So maybe this is a matter of racism. I mean the man isn't exactly what you'd call bright in the first place. He'll lend aid to every single third world country, but when it comes to his own, he doesn't exactly jump into action. The United States was one of the first countries to jump at the aid of the tsunami disaster back in December and send troops over there. It was Bush's way of playing nice with others. He didn't exactly jump into action when the twin towers were brought down four years ago on 9/11. Rudy Guliani did. Government aid didn't come for them until late either. All Bush actually cares about down in the south is the percious oil off the coast of New Orleans. If you listen to him speak, he doesn't speak about how devestating it is to him to see his a part of his country in shambles, he jumps right into restoring oil to the east coast. I watched his first speech from the Oval Office yesterday with former Presidents Clinton and Bush, and after saying how terrible it is, he jumped right into the oil problem. So maybe Kayne West is right about this being a racial thing because you don't see middle class white people on tv crying for aid. You see black people. Thousands of them, and thousands of them are dying everyday because they aren't recieving. I'd start looting and shooting at people too if I wasn't getting what I needed. Clean clothes, food, water, medication. Some of you may not realize how tragic this is, and Kayne West is black and he's seeing his people on tv suffering. He's seeing them dying without any food or water and no place to live. What would you think if there were a black president and aid wasn't coming fast enough. You'd think a lot fucking differently so some of you should stop with how ignorant and wrong he was for speaking his mind because this country is based on freedom and it was his freedom to say what he felt nessecary and if he thinks the president is racist them that's his opinion and he has a right to say whatever the fuck he wants, I'm a middle class working white girl, and I totally 100% agree with him. Bush doesn't care about anyone.

[I Shoot Bands]

today was a really slow news day.

[BrandFuckingNew]

or you could buy dying people some food/water/medicine!
DONATE. (http://www.redcross.org)

[ThisIsSoBrandNw]

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[starcrossdlovex]

I love how this turned into an argument about whether rap/rock sold more.

Nothing else needs to be debated, just go donate whatever you can to help everyone down there.

[UltimoScenester]

I love Kanye's music, but he just went from his self procalimed cocky and arrogance to just down right ignorant. It's disgusting that people are turning this into a race issue. It's a sad issue where all poor, no matter what their race in New Orleans, is suffering a needs help. I am no fan of the Bush administration, but it's bullshit to say that his lack of concern for blacks has made the situation what it is. People like Kanye West and the leader of the NAACP (who made similar remarks earlier in the day) need to shut their mouths and stick to issues they know. If you care for the people of New Orleans and the rest of the Gulf Coast, just donate and be quiet. It's stupid comments that is going to spin this sad issue into a much worse place.

[Trainsaw]

You know what, 70% of the south is black. You don't see white people on the news crying about needining aid and supplies. So what does that tell you? Bush likes powerful people. He doesn't give a fuck about those of us that are only middle class. So maybe this is a matter of racism. I mean the man isn't exactly what you'd call bright in the first place. He'll lend aid to every single third world country, but when it comes to his own, he doesn't exactly jump into action. The United States was one of the first countries to jump at the aid of the tsunami disaster back in December and send troops over there. It was Bush's way of playing nice with others. He didn't exactly jump into action when the twin towers were brought down four years ago on 9/11. Rudy Guliani did. Government aid didn't come for them until late either. All Bush actually cares about down in the south is the percious oil off the coast of New Orleans. If you listen to him speak, he doesn't speak about how devestating it is to him to see his a part of his country in shambles, he jumps right into restoring oil to the east coast. I watched his first speech from the Oval Office yesterday with former Presidents Clinton and Bush, and after saying how terrible it is, he jumped right into the oil problem. So maybe Kayne West is right about this being a racial thing because you don't see middle class white people on tv crying for aid. You see black people. Thousands of them, and thousands of them are dying everyday because they aren't recieving. I'd start looting and shooting at people too if I wasn't getting what I needed. Clean clothes, food, water, medication. Some of you may not realize how tragic this is, and Kayne West is black and he's seeing his people on tv suffering. He's seeing them dying without any food or water and no place to live. What would you think if there were a black president and aid wasn't coming fast enough. You'd think a lot fucking differently so some of you should stop with how ignorant and wrong he was for speaking his mind because this country is based on freedom and it was his freedom to say what he felt nessecary and if he thinks the president is racist them that's his opinion and he has a right to say whatever the fuck he wants, I'm a middle class working white girl, and I totally 100% agree with him. Bush doesn't care about anyone.
Great Post, i'm impressed.

[LDub]

when sway interviewed him on "All Eyes on Kanye West," he also said that "the opposite of hip-hop, is gay."

i saw GW hug a black woman when he got down there too. jesus walks

[ThisIsSoBrandNw]

Great Post, i'm impressed.hey yo, i thought it was triggersaw not train saw, but did you get my post back a couple ago?

[Booyah Achieved]

People like Kanye West and the leader of the NAACP (who made similar remarks earlier in the day) need to shut their mouths and stick to issues they know.
Yeah, what would the leader of the NAACP know about race relations anyway?

[Jason Tate]

or you could buy dying people some food/water/medicine!
DONATE. (http://www.redcross.org)
Donating is an amazing thing; however, it's a reactive position. We (Americans in general) love to be reactive to situations, sit back and throw money at a problem after it's already occurred. I know I'm guilty of it. Instead, Americans should be more proactive. Our government should be more proactive. There should have been more National Guard in the area, we knew this was coming. Things could have been better prepared before the disaster - to make it not such a disaster now. End of story.

What scares me is that for years (yes, years) educated people have been predicting a hurricane just like this - and we were this unprepared? That's just stupid. Just how unprepared are we going to be for the next terrorist strike that everyone has been predicting for years as well?

[Trainsaw]

I love Kanye's music, but he just went from his self procalimed cocky and arrogance to just down right ignorant. It's disgusting that people are turning this into a race issue. It's a sad issue where all poor, no matter what their race in New Orleans, is suffering a needs help. I am no fan of the Bush administration, but it's bullshit to say that his lack of concern for blacks has made the situation what it is. People like Kanye West and the leader of the NAACP (who made similar remarks earlier in the day) need to shut their mouths and stick to issues they know. If you care for the people of New Orleans and the rest of the Gulf Coast, just donate and be quiet. It's stupid comments that is going to spin this sad issue into a much worse place.
But the thing is that so much more could have been done, Bush seriously seemed to be more interested in freeing the people of Iraq than he was to help the citizens of america

[Crimson_Curse]

http://zangla.ytmnd.com/


end of story

[ThisIsSoBrandNw]

Donating is an amazing thing; however, it's a reactive position. We (Americans in general) love to be reactive to situations, sit back and throw money at a problem after it's already occurred. I know I'm guilty of it. Instead, Americans should be more proactive. Our government should be more proactive. There should have been more National Guard in the area, we knew this was coming. Things could have been better prepared before the disaster - to make it not such a disaster now. End of story.

What scares me is that for years (yes, years) educated people have been predicting a hurricane just like this - and we were this unprepared? That's just stupid. Just how unprepared are we going to be for the next terrorist strike that everyone has been predicting for years as well?Its things like these that you say, that make me feel you are a great person inside, i disagree with you alot, but this hits it on the dot

[70x7]

There are so many ways you can look at this. As people have said, it was not even safe to help. I mean, people are taking sniper shots at sick people being evacuated from hospitals. Sadly, because America is free, people bitch all the time about everything. Nobody is ever happy in this country. It's pretty pathetic. For people like Kanye West and Jesse Jackson, who probably is the most racist person in America, to call this racist is unreal. The blame should not fall only on George Bush. The mayor of New Orleans and the governor of the state both did pretty absymal jobs in preparation. Once it was even forecast that a catastrophic event could happen the state should have began organizing school buses to bus people out of the city.

[unwritten]

when sway interviewed him on "All Eyes on Kanye West," he also said that "the opposite of hip-hop, is gay."

jesus walks son, jesus walks

LOL That clearly proves his "intelligence." sarcasm

[sensesfail4]

i cant believe people are using something as tragic & catastrophic as a hurricane to promote their political agendas. it makes me sick b/c people should be working toward a single cause, not turning against each other. gimme a break

[MammothJohn]

I work in the projects. I read to children 0 to 5. I've been held up at work for the boom box that I play childrens songs on. At gun point. You know how many of the poor people I work with did it? 1 out of the 20,000 we have in the projects in Chattanooga. Most of the people who are stuck there where too poor to leave. They didn't have cars to leave with and their was no public tranport out of town. Most of them looked for food and went where they were told to go. They are just now getting food, five days later.
If this shit happened in the Hamptons it would'n't have taken 5 DAYS TO GET FOOD, WATER AND MEDS TO THESE PEOPLE.
Just because you live in a nice house with nice white parents and a nice safe 'hood, doesn't mean you know a fucking thing about these people. While it may not have been the right place, he said something that was true. Bush was playing guitar for a photo op on the 30th as BABIES WERE DYING.
BABIES ARE DYING.
SAY THAT OUT LOUD.
BABIES ARE DYING.
I am so sick of hearing people who don't have to worry about money bitch about people they know nothing about. Kanye had every right to say what he said. It was an emotional outburt. People do this when they see fucked up shit like photos of dead babies. Or see Towers drop like they did on 9/11. For the record I'm white. I just wish some of you would learn that just because Bush says he is for everyone doesn't mean he is. If you are rich he loves you. Except Kanye, because he is totally off the christmas card list now.

[BrandFuckingNew]

Donating is an amazing thing; however, it's a reactive position. We (Americans in general) love to be reactive to situations, sit back and throw money at a problem after it's already occurred. I know I'm guilty of it. Instead, Americans should be more proactive. Our government should be more proactive. There should have been more National Guard in the area, we knew this was coming. Things could have been better prepared before the disaster - to make it not such a disaster now. End of story.

What scares me is that for years (yes, years) educated people have been predicting a hurricane just like this - and we were this unprepared? That's just stupid. Just how unprepared are we going to be for the next terrorist strike that everyone has been predicting for years as well?
suggest something else a kid in bumblefuck, wisconsin can do thats more proactive as of right now.

[runNboy]

http://us.news3.yimg.com/us.i2.yimg.com/p/ap/20050830/capt.capm10208301856.bush__capm102. jpg

taken 08/30/05...having fun...i'm an idiot, thanks

[backtothesound]

bad timing, Kanye. That was pretty stupid and ridiculous. He pretty much screwed himself over, I wouldn't want to have him on live tv anymore.

[Katie Schmitz]

http://zangla.ytmnd.com/


end of story

I'm speechless ...

[70x7]

you should listen to the interview with the mayor of n.o. it's a a good listen.
I would, but I'm at home and my computer here sucks. For all I know, I could be totally wrong on how the mayor and governor were going about getting ready, and I hope I am, but I'm just going by what I've seen and read and all I've seen is him being angry and placing blame mostly on Bush and a little bit on the governor

[not_important]

i read a lot of peoples comments about help not getting there fast enough. now i don't know a lot about what's going on down there cause i don't watch the news, i hate the news, but one of the problems that made things worse was when the levy broke. now how in the hell were they supposed to know that it would break and make it worse. about the racism issue, yeah they are showing a lot of footage of blacks looting and what not, that doesn't mean there aren't white people down there doing the exact same thing. and if all the white people made it out and went to the astrodome, then why are there reports of rapes if white people are better than blacks. it's all just a big chaotic mess that no one could have stopped and there are a lot of people not making things any better. like the people shooting at the rescue helicopters. if they were so concerned about getting out, then why the fuck would they try and kill people who are trying to help? it is not our place to judge another man's heart. especially if we don't personally know them. it would not be right for me to say that any of you reading this is racist, cause it's not my place to judge you. that is my opinion. you comment on this, good or bad, i don't care. i'm not good at debating, so i usually stay away from them. but that's all i'm gonna say

[LDub]

he was making a plea to stop homophobia in hip hop.

i know man i saw the interview three times with the story about his cousin and how dame and jay splitting up was like parents divorcing and how your dad teaches you how to pee standing up and get it in the bowl. i was just being facetious.

[poserpunker]

nobody said the hurricane was bush's fault.

i think the majority of opinion though, not just on this board, is that bush didn't act as quickly as he could of.

a lot of people blame the fact that action wasn't taken sooner on the fact that so many troops are in iraq. some blame him, and government in general, for not having a preset plan in case anything like this ever happened.

nobody blames him for the hurricane though.
Well not nobody, but this is from some crazy conspiracy theory website. I think this shit is crazy, but I'm just saying some people do blame him.
http://www.rense.com/general67/waskatrinaamanmade.htm

[BrandFuckingNew]

the idea that the levees would break after a category 3/4/5 hurricane were proposed circa 1985.

[unwritten]

Kanye West calls for end to gay bashing
NEW YORK (AP) — Kanye West says "gay" has become an antonym to hip-hop — and that it needs to be stopped. During an interview for an MTV special, the 27-year-old rapper launched into a discussion about hip-hop and homosexuality while talking about Hey Mama, a song on his upcoming album, Late Registration.

West says that when he was young, people would call him a "mama's boy."

"And what happened was, it made me kind of homophobic, 'cause it's like I would go back and question myself," West says on the show, All Eyes on Kanye West, set to air Thursday night (10:30 p.m. ET).

West says he changed his ways, though, when he learned one of his cousins was gay.

"It was kind of like a turning point when I was like, 'Yo, this is my cousin. I love him and I've been discriminating against gays.'"

West says hip-hop was always about "speaking your mind and about breaking down barriers, but everyone in hip-hop discriminates against gay people." He adds that in slang, gay is "the opposite, the exact opposite word of hip-hop."

Kanye's message: "Not just hip-hop, but America just discriminates. And I wanna just, to come on TV and just tell my rappers, just tell my friends, 'Yo, stop it.'"

West, whose debut disc The College Dropout won a Grammy for best rap album, will see his second record in stores on Aug. 30.

http://www.usatoday.com/life/people/2005-08-18-kanye-west_x.htm

Dude, relax haha, I was just kidding. I know the story. Its just that the original statement sounded stupid.

[Jason Tate]

suggest something else a kid in bumblefuck, wisconsin can do thats more proactive as of right now.
Raise his voice. Start questioning why the issues this country is focusing on are abroad and not domestic? Why are we so content on fixing the problems in the middle east, when all it does is weaken the resolve at home? Why are we not working on putting together a more cohesive terrorist response team? Why is the exact same dollar amount for "homeland security" going to each state, and not the most probable targets to start with? Why is it that most of America still does not feel any safer than before 9/11?

Get involved, speak up, start small. Organize community-wide evacuation procedures. Find out your college's evacuation procedure. Find out your families. Talk to people, make plans, be prepared.

I don't have the real answers, I'm spit-balling here. The people who can make the real changes aren't. So I think we need to start putting people who are willing to make changes in the positions to do make them. Vacation, publicity shots, jokes, and as long as the people Bush cares about most are OK, nothing else really matters.

[70x7]

the mayor mentioned about prior to this occuring the set-up they had was only good enough for a level 2 or 3 hurricane. and he had petitioned the governor to get it fixed.
Well there you go then. I do wish though that there was a better plan in place to deal with the kind of lawlessness that has erupted there though.

[poserpunker]

Donating is an amazing thing; however, it's a reactive position. We (Americans in general) love to be reactive to situations, sit back and throw money at a problem after it's already occurred. I know I'm guilty of it. Instead, Americans should be more proactive. Our government should be more proactive. There should have been more National Guard in the area, we knew this was coming. Things could have been better prepared before the disaster - to make it not such a disaster now. End of story.

What scares me is that for years (yes, years) educated people have been predicting a hurricane just like this - and we were this unprepared? That's just stupid. Just how unprepared are we going to be for the next terrorist strike that everyone has been predicting for years as well?
This is the reason people should be blaming Bush for what is happening, not because he doesn't care about black people. Like someone said before Bush doesn't care about anyone that isn't part of his crazy agendas.
http://www.rense.com/general67/whyNOisindeepwater.htm

[sputniksignals]

You know what, 70% of the south is black. You don't see white people on the news crying about needining aid and supplies. So what does that tell you? Bush likes powerful people. He doesn't give a fuck about those of us that are only middle class. So maybe this is a matter of racism. I mean the man isn't exactly what you'd call bright in the first place. He'll lend aid to every single third world country, but when it comes to his own, he doesn't exactly jump into action. The United States was one of the first countries to jump at the aid of the tsunami disaster back in December and send troops over there. It was Bush's way of playing nice with others. He didn't exactly jump into action when the twin towers were brought down four years ago on 9/11. Rudy Guliani did. Government aid didn't come for them until late either. All Bush actually cares about down in the south is the percious oil off the coast of New Orleans. If you listen to him speak, he doesn't speak about how devestating it is to him to see his a part of his country in shambles, he jumps right into restoring oil to the east coast. I watched his first speech from the Oval Office yesterday with former Presidents Clinton and Bush, and after saying how terrible it is, he jumped right into the oil problem. So maybe Kayne West is right about this being a racial thing because you don't see middle class white people on tv crying for aid. You see black people. Thousands of them, and thousands of them are dying everyday because they aren't recieving. I'd start looting and shooting at people too if I wasn't getting what I needed. Clean clothes, food, water, medication. Some of you may not realize how tragic this is, and Kayne West is black and he's seeing his people on tv suffering. He's seeing them dying without any food or water and no place to live. What would you think if there were a black president and aid wasn't coming fast enough. You'd think a lot fucking differently so some of you should stop with how ignorant and wrong he was for speaking his mind because this country is based on freedom and it was his freedom to say what he felt nessecary and if he thinks the president is racist them that's his opinion and he has a right to say whatever the fuck he wants, I'm a middle class working white girl, and I totally 100% agree with him. Bush doesn't care about anyone.
"He didn't exactly jump into action when the twin towers were brought down four years ago on 9/11."
forgive the president for the shock that went through him. im sure any human being would need to take a second to realize what would happen. sure rudy jumped on it but he was the governor of the city. bush is the president and sad enough, he cant drop whatever hes doing because then little shits would start complaining and bickering about things much less important than 9/11.

"Because you don't see middle class white people on tv crying for aid. You see black people. Thousands of them, and thousands of them are dying everyday because they aren't recieving"
didnt we already go through this. new orleans is a city immensely populated by african americans. you didnt see the white people because, yes i know this is harsh to say it but its true, could afford to leave. i am in no way insulting african americans and sayign that they are poor but the reality is that the people you see on tv are not wealthy americans.


"I'd start looting and shooting at people too if I wasn't getting what I needed. Clean clothes, food, water, medication"
i'm sure you would. loot i mean. for food of course. but shooting people is bullshit.

"What would you think if there were a black president and aid wasn't coming fast enough."
i'm sure youd be saying what im about to say.he wasnt ready, and AMERICA is not able to cope with the damage and suffering. not bush. AMERICA cant handle it. people act like bush is a fucking king and runs every aspect of this country im not heavy into politics. but im pretty sure bush doesnt just push a button and out pops tons of food. bush is one man. sure he leads our country but give him a fucking break. besides, how do any of us know whats going on behind the scenes BESIDES what were shown through the media. WE DONT. so, maybe we should all (myself included) stop acting as if we could run this country any better.

i dont even know why i replied to this. the whole concept of race being involved with the hurricane is sickening. are people that fucking stupid to think that one mans POSSIBLE prejudices are responsible for preventing aid from african americans? its fucking bullshit to believe that. nothing except the devil perhaps is capable of committing such unjustice to a race of people.

[MammothJohn]

This is the reason people should be blaming Bush for what is happening, not because he doesn't care about black people. Like someone said before Bush doesn't care about anyone that isn't part of his crazy agendas.
http://www.rense.com/general67/whyNOisindeepwater.htm
Stop linking to rense and acting like that is what the left is saying. For christ sake look at that guys site.

[BrandFuckingNew]

Raise his voice. Start questioning why the issues this country is focusing on are abroad and not domestic? Why are we so content on fixing the problems in the middle east, when all it does is weaken the resolve at home? Why are we not working on putting together a more cohesive terrorist response team? Why is the exact same dollar amount for "homeland security" going to each state, and not the most probable targets to start with? Why is it that most of America still does not feel any safer than before 9/11?

Get involved, speak up, start small. Organize community-wide evacuation procedures. Find out your college's evacuation procedure. Find out your families. Talk to people, make plans, be prepared.

I don't have the real answers, I'm spit-balling here. The people who can make the real changes aren't. So I think we need to start putting people who are willing to make changes in the positions to do make them. Vacation, publicity shots, jokes, and as long as the people Bush cares about most are OK, nothing else really matters.
well yeah. but let's help the immediate problem, no? this is more than just orange bracelets and shit. people need help.

[Jason Tate]

Well there you go then. I do wish though that there was a better plan in place to deal with the kind of lawlessness that has erupted there though.
The better plan would have probably been to not reduce the Army Corps of Engineers' budget for New Orleans for the third year in a row (Bush). Or if the National Guard weren't in another country (ironic seeing as what their name is), maybe they could have done the job they signed up to do. I saw some numbers (can't find them now) about a % of those who should have been on duty in N.O and were in Iraq, and it was enlightening.

well yeah. but let's help the immediate problem, no? this is more than just orange bracelets and shit. people need help.
People do need help, would you like to explain to me why they haven't been getting it?

[MammothJohn]

"He didn't exactly jump into action when the twin towers were brought down four years ago on 9/11."
forgive the president for the shock that went through him. im sure any human being would need to take a second to realize what would happen. sure rudy jumped on it but he was the governor of the city. bush is the president and sad enough, he cant drop whatever hes doing because then little shits would start complaining and bickering about things much less important than 9/11.

"Because you don't see middle class white people on tv crying for aid. You see black people. Thousands of them, and thousands of them are dying everyday because they aren't recieving"
didnt we already go through this. new orleans is a city immensely populated by african americans. you didnt see the white people because, yes i know this is harsh to say it but its true, could afford to leave. i am in no way insulting african americans and sayign that they are poor but the reality is that the people you see on tv are not wealthy americans.


"I'd start looting and shooting at people too if I wasn't getting what I needed. Clean clothes, food, water, medication"
i'm sure you would. loot i mean. for food of course. but shooting people is bullshit.

"What would you think if there were a black president and aid wasn't coming fast enough."
i'm sure youd be saying what im about to say.he wasnt ready, and AMERICA is not able to cope with the damage and suffering. not bush. AMERICA cant handle it. people act like bush is a fucking king and runs every aspect of this country im not heavy into politics. but im pretty sure bush doesnt just push a button and out pops tons of food. bush is one man. sure he leads our country but give him a fucking break. besides, how do any of us know whats going on behind the scenes BESIDES what were shown through the media. WE DONT. so, maybe we should all (myself included) stop acting as if we could run this country any better.

i dont even know why i replied to this. the whole concept of race being involved with the hurricane is sickening. are people that fucking stupid to think that one mans POSSIBLE prejudices are responsible for preventing aid from african americans? its fucking bullshit to believe that. nothing except the devil perhaps is capable of committing such unjustice to a race of people.
Here is what the people the love Bush don't realize. What if this was a terror attack? If FEMA cannot get down to NOLA in five days to save lives when God strikes how long will it take them to get aid if something like a dirty bomb goes off? And dont say they are different. The same amount of people would be effected and killed. Only with this they have more warning than they'd have with a terror attack.

[sputniksignals]

to further clarify im 17 and i am still undecided on where i stand on politics. im saying that all not in defense of either side of the story. im saying that as common sense

[FeignedPrfectio]

i would like to thank Kanye West for stirring up some real controversy and debate about this.
Ignorance or not, those few words make you really think about the whole situation.
as for me, i love the fact that Western New York gathered up enough goods to fill 10 semi trucks, along with 91 thousand dollars. in my eyes, thats what we need at this time.
im surprised george bush even knows what a hurricane is.
his ability to talk to a few dozen people on the gulf coast has had little to no affect on this disaster. in my own opinion, its the collective love, care and generosity of America that will help these people, whatever color they are, get through this disaster.

[70x7]

This is the reason people should be blaming Bush for what is happening, not because he doesn't care about black people. Like someone said before Bush doesn't care about anyone that isn't part of his crazy agendas.
http://www.rense.com/general67/whyNOisindeepwater.htm
You cannot place blame on Bush by himself for this. This wasn't some prediction made in the last five years. This could have just as easily happened if Clinton, George H.W. Bush, John Kerry, whoever was president. There should have been something concrete set up years and years ago. And no, I'm not defending Bush, I really don't care for the way he handles most things, but it's not like things would be night and day different no matter who was president unless we had some socialist system where everybody had the same resources at their disposal.

[Jason Tate]

"He didn't exactly jump into action when the twin towers were brought down four years ago on 9/11."
forgive the president for the shock that went through him. im sure any human being would need to take a second to realize what would happen. sure rudy jumped on it but he was the governor of the city. bush is the president and sad enough, he cant drop whatever hes doing because then little shits would start complaining and bickering about things much less important than 9/11.

"Because you don't see middle class white people on tv crying for aid. You see black people. Thousands of them, and thousands of them are dying everyday because they aren't recieving"
didnt we already go through this. new orleans is a city immensely populated by african americans. you didnt see the white people because, yes i know this is harsh to say it but its true, could afford to leave. i am in no way insulting african americans and sayign that they are poor but the reality is that the people you see on tv are not wealthy americans.


"I'd start looting and shooting at people too if I wasn't getting what I needed. Clean clothes, food, water, medication"
i'm sure you would. loot i mean. for food of course. but shooting people is bullshit.

"What would you think if there were a black president and aid wasn't coming fast enough."
i'm sure youd be saying what im about to say.he wasnt ready, and AMERICA is not able to cope with the damage and suffering. not bush. AMERICA cant handle it. people act like bush is a fucking king and runs every aspect of this country im not heavy into politics. but im pretty sure bush doesnt just push a button and out pops tons of food. bush is one man. sure he leads our country but give him a fucking break. besides, how do any of us know whats going on behind the scenes BESIDES what were shown through the media. WE DONT. so, maybe we should all (myself included) stop acting as if we could run this country any better.

i dont even know why i replied to this. the whole concept of race being involved with the hurricane is sickening. are people that fucking stupid to think that one mans POSSIBLE prejudices are responsible for preventing aid from african americans? its fucking bullshit to believe that. nothing except the devil perhaps is capable of committing such unjustice to a race of people.
I don't think that was Kanye's actual belief (I could be wrong, I don't know); I think more-so he wanted to draw attention to the fact that regardless of race at the moment, some fucked up shit is going down, and it's being distorted by the media, and the President (regardless of how he actually feels) isn't doing a very good job of "uniting" and holding us together. The press ops after 9/11 were phenomenal. Blowhorns, flags, crying at the rubble, and all of that. So far, for New Orleans ... he had Air Force One dip under the cloud cover so he could look at the damage.

[poserpunker]

Stop linking to rense and acting like that is what the left is saying. For christ sake look at that guys site.
Hence the reason I said I don't believe everything on that site, but I could link to thousands of other sites that are saying the same thing. Unless you just want me to get all my news from the corporate media, and follow along with the rest of the right-wing sheep in America.

[sputniksignals]

You cannot place blame on Bush by himself for this. This wasn't some prediction made in the last five years. This could have just as easily happened if Clinton, George H.W. Bush, John Kerry, whoever was president. There should have been something concrete set up years and years ago. And no, I'm not defending Bush, I really don't care for the way he handles most things, but it's not like things would be night and day different no matter who was president unless we had some socialist system where everybody had the same resources at their disposal.
thats pretty much how i feel

[BrandFuckingNew]

there has been a gross misappropriation on every single level of this disaster. monetarily, organizationally, in terms of personnel. there is a complete lack of communication between governments themselves and relief groups. pointing the finger right now isn't exactly imposing "blame" although it very well could be. we need leadership. the people need a face. for this, i'm very glad the mayor of new orleans has gone crazy in the press. now the people going crazy on the streets will have some sense of connection and respect for a government official, since nobody else has seemed to give them anything worthy of that.

[70x7]

The better plan would have probably been to not reduce the Army Corps of Engineers' budget for New Orleans for the third year in a row (Bush). Or if the National Guard weren't in another country (ironic seeing as what their name is), maybe they could have done the job they signed up to do. I saw some numbers (can't find them now) about a % of those who should have been on duty in N.O and were in Iraq, and it was enlightening.


People do need help, would you like to explain to me why they haven't been getting it?
No, I totally agree with you, but I really don't think it would be too different if it was somebody else in power.

[YourLatestVicti]

Here is what the people the love Bush don't realize. What if this was a terror attack? If FEMA cannot get down to NOLA in five days to save lives when God strikes how long will it take them to get aid if something like a dirty bomb goes off? And dont say they are different. The same amount of people would be effected and killed. Only with this they have more warning than they'd have with a terror attack.
They're completely different. An attack on American soil is not comprable to a natural disaster, they recquire completely different reactions. Now I'm not trying to say that Bush/the rest of the country handled this as well as they could have, aid was slow but an attack is completely different than a hurricane.

[Jason Tate]

You cannot place blame on Bush by himself for this. This wasn't some prediction made in the last five years. This could have just as easily happened if Clinton, George H.W. Bush, John Kerry, whoever was president. There should have been something concrete set up years and years ago. And no, I'm not defending Bush, I really don't care for the way he handles most things, but it's not like things would be night and day different no matter who was president unless we had some socialist system where everybody had the same resources at their disposal.
This was some prediction made 10 years ago; and hell, me, a 22 year old in Oregon, knew shit was going to hit the fan before it did. I, being completely egotisical for a moment, think I could have handled this better.

[ALucidDream]

I don't think it had anything to do with what fucking % of Louisiana is black or is white. It has to do with the fact that Bush fucking sucks as a president. The hurricane hit them on Monday and you don't get food and other supplies there until Friday! You've got to be kidding me! In the chaos of it all though I can see how they can make such a statement because they really aren't looking at the bigger picture of everything. You can't blame them. Where was the Louisiana national guard to help out as soon as this all happened? A large part are still in Iraq! As sad as it is to see all this horrible stuff going down, I'm so glad to see this back fire right in Bush's face like it has...

[MammothJohn]

Hence the reason I said I don't believe everything on that site, but I could link to thousands of other sites that are saying the same thing. Unless you just want me to get all my news from the corporate media, and follow along with the rest of the right-wing sheep in America.
No, but Rense is a crackpot and while you and I know that sometimes he posts true stories most of this site readers will see that he talks about UFO's and shit and discount those arguments.

[xbrokendownx]

i love your music kanye, but sometimes you gotta learn when to just shut the fuck up my man

[Jason Tate]

They're completely different. An attack on American soil is not comprable to a natural disaster, they recquire completely different reactions. Now I'm not trying to say that Bush/the rest of the country handled this as well as they could have, aid was slow but an attack is completely different than a hurricane.
And, I think the point being made here is that ... why is it handled differently? Is it because we can't bomb mother nature? I think anything that has the potential to end a large number of American citizen's lives should be handled in a very serious manner.

[sputniksignals]

I don't think that was Kanye's actual belief (I could be wrong, I don't know); I think more-so he wanted to draw attention to the fact that regardless of race at the moment, some fucked up shit is going down, and it's being distorted by the media, and the President (regardless of how he actually feels) isn't doing a very good job of "uniting" and holding us together. The press ops after 9/11 were phenomenal. Blowhorns, flags, crying at the rubble, and all of that. So far, for New Orleans ... he had Air Force One dip under the cloud cover so he could look at the damage.
youre entirely right about the press. but once again. this seems like a cop out but its different. that was an attack on pride delivered by other humans. this is an act of nature. its covered like every hurricane before it, as an act of nature. and im sorry to say it but i cant believe people would judge the situation by the media coverage. i turn on a news channel and all i see is hurricane news. i dont need people crying on tv to alert me to the severity of the situation. i watched it for an hour straight and i was impacted almost as powerfulyl as with 9/11. seeing new orleans burning behind a newscaster today helped witht hat.

one smaller point. 9/11, despite the destruction of a large city area, was accessbile. new orleans itself is completely a wreck. the entire city. its different to get resources to an entire city and state ravaged by a hurricane when passing through other states destroyed, than it is to get to an island. maybe im asinine but thats my two cents

[70x7]

This was some prediction made 10 years ago; and hell, me, a 22 year old in Oregon, knew shit was going to hit the fan before it did. I, being completely egotisical for a moment, think I could have handled this better.
I think you could have too. I think 99% of this country could have done a btter job. I just think that most of that 1% happens to be the people who it would fall upon though. Bush can take some blame, but all I'm saying is that I don't feel he should take all of it. I really do think, maybe hope, that if things were more stable in the city then aid would have come faster, but then again, what do I know?

[MammothJohn]

They're completely different. An attack on American soil is not comprable to a natural disaster, they recquire completely different reactions. Now I'm not trying to say that Bush/the rest of the country handled this as well as they could have, aid was slow but an attack is completely different than a hurricane.
A Dirty Bomb is a Nuke. In the case of such an attack you would need to remove 100's of 1000's of people in a short time, provide medical aid, food, water and shelter, as well as keep the population under control. Tell me what about the above statement is different that what should have happened in NOLA? Are you saying that dying Americans only deserve a quick response if they are dying because of a terror attack?

[annn]

All the poor people who stayed in New Orleans and were then transferred to the Astromedome... are now going to my school haha. I feel bad for them-- stuck in a snobby white kid school.

[poserpunker]

No, but Rense is a crackpot and while you and I know that sometimes he posts true stories most of this site readers will see that he talks about UFO's and shit and discount those arguments.
Yes, obviously I don't get all my underground info from Rense, the UFO stuff I completely ignore, but it does have a lot of ligit writings from informed sources. I mean most websites on politics are biased one way or the other, but you have to keep yourself informed, like Tate has been saying the facts about how Bush has taken away the funds needed to protect this area from a cat 4 or 5 hurrincane are well founded.

[BrandFuckingNew]

They both recquire serious attention but a bomb going off recquires more medical aid than anything else. With the hurricane it should have been more of a search and rescue, and at this point unfortantely mainly a search.
emergency responses are emergency responses. you have to be fucking kidding me. apparantly, help isnt ALWAYS on the way?

[JunkBondTrader]

do you know this is the biggest Natural Disaster to ever hit the United States in fucking histroy......this is bigger than anything ever.....fucking ever, dayum you think bush would have done a little more by now, ooo but wait we cant because all of our fucking troops are out fighting a pointless war....ahh shit

[Jason Tate]

I think you could have too. I think 99% of this country could have done a btter job. I just think that most of that 1% happens to be the people who it would fall upon though. Bush can take some blame, but all I'm saying is that I don't feel he should take all of it. I really do think, maybe hope, that if things were more stable in the city then aid would have come faster, but then again, what do I know?
No, he most certainly shouldn't take all of it. I think that it's just another example of something Bush-Hater's can jump onto and ruin the truth by blowing it way out of proportion until the Bush supporters see the hyperbole and not the truth (therefore never realizing what a douche this guy is).

And to be fair, when adding this on as just "another" of Bush's long list of fuck-ups, it's more damaging than as a singular incident. The dude (Bush) has a history of just fucking up left and right, when he does it now ... people are so used to it that we're all like, "ah shit, well, saw that coming" and it's not even that big of ordeal anymore.

[MammothJohn]

They both recquire serious attention but a bomb going off recquires more medical aid than anything else. With the hurricane it should have been more of a search and rescue, and at this point unfortantely mainly a search.
Fallout is what happens when radiation clouds fill the air and contaminate everything, killing anyone not killed in the blast. So medical aid is secondary to getting survivers out. Also because of the way NOLA is set up the sewers are backing up. This is causing rampet sickness. Dead bodies left for days rot, and bring out rats which carry all sorts of germs. That doesn't even go into the threat from the chemical plants that are flooding out and leaking shit.

[Jason Tate]

Nagin: Organize people to write letters and make calls to their congressmen, to the president, to the governor. Flood their doggone offices with requests to do something. This is ridiculous. I don't want to see anybody do anymore goddamn press conferences. Put a moratorium on press conferences. Don't do another press conference until the resources are in this city. And then come down to this city and stand with us when there are military trucks and troops that we can't even count. Don't tell me 40,000 people are coming here. They're not here. It's too doggone late. Now get off your asses and do something, and let's fix the biggest goddamn crisis in the history of this country.

[FeignedPrfectio]

who gives a fuck whether or not a bomb is a more important than a hurricane. people are having to resort to shooting others just to live. and yes, it is a last resort. you stick thousands of people in a desolte(spelling) wasteland for 5 days and see what yoou would do when you have to shit on the ground and dig through garbage just to live.

the main message in every post here is this. donate. plain and simple.

[70x7]

No, he most certainly shouldn't take all of it. I think that it's just another example of something Bush-Hater's can jump onto and ruin the truth by blowing it way out of proportion until the Bush supporters see the hyperbole and not the truth (therefore never realizing what a douche this guy is).

And to be fair, when adding this on as just "another" of Bush's long list of fuck-ups, it's more damaging than as a singular incident. The dude (Bush) has a history of just fucking up left and right, when he does it now ... people are so used to it that we're all like, "ah shit, well, saw that coming" and it's not even that big of ordeal anymore.
Agreed.

[mykennedy]

kanye can say whatever the fuck kanye wants to say... people read into what celebs say way too much... he said it... but who really cares? hes just a person like anyone else... its not like its really important in life... its not like everytime a hurricane hits people are like... "WHAT DOES KANYE THINK?!?" hes just a person...

[BrandFuckingNew]

jason, any ap.net plans in the works? i'm down to help.

[MammothJohn]

Yes, obviously I don't get all my underground info from Rense, the UFO stuff I completely ignore, but it does have a lot of ligit writings from informed sources. I mean most websites on politics are biased one way or the other, but you have to keep yourself informed, like Tate has been saying the facts about how Bush has taken away the funds needed to protect this area from a cat 4 or 5 hurrincane are well founded.
And I understand that. My point was that people will discount your point because it comes from a person that talks about UFO's and such. I personally wont, but most Americans would. :) I still think you're aces for looking for Alternative news sources.

[BrandFuckingNew]

And I understand that. My point was that people will discount your point because it comes from a person that talks about UFO's and such. I personally wont, but most Americans would. :) I still think you're aces for looking for Alternative news sources.
the article he linked was written by Molly Ivans. shes an exquisite woman.

[Jason Tate]

kanye can say whatever the fuck kanye wants to say... people read into what celebs say way too much... he said it... but who really cares? hes just a person like anyone else... its not like its really important in life... its not like everytime a hurricane hits people are like... "WHAT DOES KANYE THINK?!?" hes just a person...
David Chapelle: "Why the fuck are they talking to Ja Rule? I know in the middle of a crisis, I'm wondering 'what the fuck does Ja rule think!'"

[sputniksignals]

do you know this is the biggest Natural Disaster to ever hit the United States in fucking histroy......this is bigger than anything ever.....fucking ever, dayum you think bush would have done a little more by now, ooo but wait we cant because all of our fucking troops are out fighting a pointless war....ahh shit
exactly. its the worst.

ever.

now stop talking shit and think about that for a second

its a fucking act of nature. you can predict it but you cant KNOW IT. we knew it was bad, sure. but did we know how bad? NO. WE FUCKING COULDNT BECAUSE ITS NATURE AND ITS NOT TOTALLY PREDICTABLE. sure, our plans or lackthereof are not working. people ar elike we knew it was coming and its taking so long to get there blah blah blah. what? so for years before this storm you wanted all the food to be ready and raring to go? even a week before it there would not be enough time to assemble the aid because, oh yeah once again, you never know what the storm is going to do

[Jason Tate]

jason, any ap.net plans in the works? i'm down to help.
I don't know what to do right now .. I'm trying to think.

[forgetevth]

the government hasnt responded fast enough, and Bush even said this if you watch press confrences at all. i believe Bush said something along the lines of this "the rescue teams are doing all they can but it is not enough and i am not satisfied with the efforts so far". Remember Bush didnt cause the hurricane so how can Bush be blamed for not responding fast enough. I think he has done alot. He decided the federal government would take on 100% of the cost of the relief instead of the 75% designated by law. He waved epa gas laws so all you can fill up for less. He waved the law that says American fuel could only be transported on American ships so all of you on the west and east coasts could get fuel faster.
The logistics of a huge disaster like this is a nightmare. 1,000's of busses are not just hoarded in one place they have to be brought in from all over the state and country and that takes time. It also doesnt help that people are killing each other, raping each other, robbing each other, and beating each other. How successfull can an evacuation be when it is chaotic? It cant be. People shouldnt be shooting at the very people who came to rescue them in boats.
Nature also hasnt helped this situation at all. Fires dont help, explosions dont help. I think theyve done alot, but they failed in alot of areas. Should they have stopped evacuations for hours since there were shootings? No i think that was the most foolish thing to do.
You cannot plan for a disaster like this. It is inconceivable before the fact and so many people blame the government for that. But hindsight is 20/20 and if these people had a plan prior they couldve done something, but they didnt.

it also doesnt help that people didnt evacuate when they were told. and the government should have been bussing the poor, who didnt have the means to evacuate, out before Katrina even hit...

[YourLatestVicti]

A Dirty Bomb is a Nuke. In the case of such an attack you would need to remove 100's of 1000's of people in a short time, provide medical aid, food, water and shelter, as well as keep the population under control. Tell me what about the above statement is different that what should have happened in NOLA? Are you saying that dying Americans only deserve a quick response if they are dying because of a terror attack?
The main difference is that a bomb even if it was a nuc would not immediatly affect an area as large as a hurricane. Other than that and needing different training to correctly handle a bomb as opposed to handling a natural disaster there shouldn't be a difference. They both deserve an immediate response.

[MammothJohn]

the article he linked was written by Molly Ivans. shes an exquisite woman.
Again I'll state that I liked his story, and I read rense. But most people wont care that its a molly ivans story they'll care that it came from the UFO guy. I love Molly Ivans. You're missing my point. Though I'm always impressed to see people who know who Molly is.

[BrandFuckingNew]

exactly. its the worst.

ever.

now stop talking shit and think about that for a second

its a fucking act of nature. you can predict it but you cant KNOW IT. we knew it was bad, sure. but did we know how bad? NO. WE FUCKING COULDNT BECAUSE ITS NATURE AND ITS NOT TOTALLY PREDICTABLE. sure, our plans or lackthereof are not working. people ar elike we knew it was coming and its taking so long to get there blah blah blah. what? so for years before this storm you wanted all the food to be ready and raring to go? even a week before it there would not be enough time to assemble the aid because, oh yeah once again, you never know what the storm is going to do
no, you EXPECT THE FUCKING WORST. when has overpreperation been a bad thing? let's be realistic. i would've even settled for some good old fashioned W 'strategery'.

[steve-0]

what a fuckin dumbass. thats the most ignorant statement of the year

[SePaMc]

You know what, 70% of the south is black. You don't see white people on the news crying about needining aid and supplies. So what does that tell you? Bush likes powerful people. He doesn't give a fuck about those of us that are only middle class. So maybe this is a matter of racism. I mean the man isn't exactly what you'd call bright in the first place. He'll lend aid to every single third world country, but when it comes to his own, he doesn't exactly jump into action. The United States was one of the first countries to jump at the aid of the tsunami disaster back in December and send troops over there. It was Bush's way of playing nice with others. He didn't exactly jump into action when the twin towers were brought down four years ago on 9/11. Rudy Guliani did. Government aid didn't come for them until late either. All Bush actually cares about down in the south is the percious oil off the coast of New Orleans. If you listen to him speak, he doesn't speak about how devestating it is to him to see his a part of his country in shambles, he jumps right into restoring oil to the east coast. I watched his first speech from the Oval Office yesterday with former Presidents Clinton and Bush, and after saying how terrible it is, he jumped right into the oil problem. So maybe Kayne West is right about this being a racial thing because you don't see middle class white people on tv crying for aid. You see black people. Thousands of them, and thousands of them are dying everyday because they aren't recieving. I'd start looting and shooting at people too if I wasn't getting what I needed. Clean clothes, food, water, medication. Some of you may not realize how tragic this is, and Kayne West is black and he's seeing his people on tv suffering. He's seeing them dying without any food or water and no place to live. What would you think if there were a black president and aid wasn't coming fast enough. You'd think a lot fucking differently so some of you should stop with how ignorant and wrong he was for speaking his mind because this country is based on freedom and it was his freedom to say what he felt nessecary and if he thinks the president is racist them that's his opinion and he has a right to say whatever the fuck he wants, I'm a middle class working white girl, and I totally 100% agree with him. Bush doesn't care about anyone.

So you're telling me when you drive to wherever it is you work, you don't bitch that $3 is a lot for gas? The first thought that runs through your head BEFORE filling your tank is Man, people are having a hell of a time in New Orleans. yeah its sad, but get off the high horse.

[poserpunker]

And I understand that. My point was that people will discount your point because it comes from a person that talks about UFO's and such. I personally wont, but most Americans would. :) I still think you're aces for looking for Alternative news sources.
Thanks, it's nice to know from some of the post in this thread that at least there are some people who are keeping themselves informed on more than a mass media basis.

[Jason Tate]

exactly. its the worst.

ever.

now stop talking shit and think about that for a second

its a fucking act of nature. you can predict it but you cant KNOW IT. we knew it was bad, sure. but did we know how bad? NO. WE FUCKING COULDNT BECAUSE ITS NATURE AND ITS NOT TOTALLY PREDICTABLE. sure, our plans or lackthereof are not working. people ar elike we knew it was coming and its taking so long to get there blah blah blah. what? so for years before this storm you wanted all the food to be ready and raring to go? even a week before it there would not be enough time to assemble the aid because, oh yeah once again, you never know what the storm is going to do
Well, when all the scientists went, "Ahhh.. uhmm.. hey, the Gulf of Mexico is heating up ... history .. um .. and all our gadjets tell us what that means ..." - maybe we should listen. Not pass it off as environmentalist-global-warming-mumbo-jumbo. Hell, I wasn't the best science student in school, trust me, but I was sitting in Oregon going, "uhm.. shit, this is going to be BAD guys." Ask my family and friends ... all of us knew.

[sputniksignals]

no, you EXPECT THE FUCKING WORST. when has overpreperation been a bad thing? let's be realistic. i would've even settled for some good old fashioned W 'strategery'.
what have we known the worst to be up until this point? nothing anywhere near the catstrophic levels of katrina. i believe theres only so much preparation you can do due to lack of knowledge until you just go fuck it well have to rely on strategery.

[MammothJohn]

The main difference is that a bomb even if it was a nuc would not immediatly affect an area as large as a hurricane. Other than that and needing different training to correctly handle a bomb as opposed to handling a natural disaster there shouldn't be a difference. They both deserve an immediate response. Fallout is carried by the wind after the bomb goes off. The blast radius of a dirty bomb could be at least as big as New York City, before the radiation poisoning kicks in. Sorry but that doesn't make sense.
Also it took the city three days to flood this bad. So it would be quicker with a nuke.

[Sureshot182]

Agreed. :)
agreed. the bottom line is that we live in a capitalistic society. I don't care who you are, what your background is, how poor you are, etc...YOU CAN GET A JOB AND MAKE IT IN THIS COUNTRY. is it fair? no, not in the least. is this system of government designed to be? no, we have a dog eat dog society and the strong (ones willing to work their butts off and overcome the flaws of society), and the rich control. my sociology professor lays into how all these now homeless people are victims of the government, because the impoverished weren't able to leave new orleans. this is true, however, the government and especially george bush don't need to be blamed for this, or be bashed for it. claiming that the president took to long to get down to new orleans, and to respond is ridiculous. the president is and individual whom possesses power, but it is not physical. him physically being in new orleans does not change much, besides the attitudes of those who blindly pick apart anything they can possibly scrounge up. if you are going to look at it in that respect, haul in a pro wrestler to carry goods on his back. blame adam smith, then see where that gets you. this society we live in is vicious and cruel at times, but the beauty is we all can succeed and we can all make it. we live in a system of classes, this should be nothing new to someone who claims to be halfway educated. my own family has overcome severe poverty and have made very successful lives of their own, so don't even try to tell me I’m ignorant on this subject.

[sputniksignals]

people are complaining that we didnt prepare enough so its bush's fault.

wait a minute. if we had known about this for so long, then why the fuck are people blaming bush? bush hasnt been president for the last ten years. wheres the preparation from that? i mean honestly bush comes into office, WHAM 9/11. so anything he had even planned on starting (if noone before had planned anything for this shit) is delayed because we got attacked. and i agree, he couldve "resumed" or whatever, but how do we know he had anything to work off of

[Jason Tate]

"We've got a lot of rebuilding to do. First, we're going to save lives and stabilize the situation. And then we're going to help these communities rebuild. The good news is -- and it's hard for some to see it now -- that out of this chaos is going to come a fantastic Gulf Coast, like it was before. Out of the rubbles of Trent Lott's house -- he's lost his entire house -- there's going to be a fantastic house. And I'm looking forward to sitting on the porch." (Laughter) --George W. Bush, touring hurricane damage, Mobile, Ala., Sept. 2, 2005
Irony in him mentioning Trent Lott in the context of this "race" thread. I think so.

[BrandFuckingNew]

what have we known the worst to be up until this point? nothing anywhere near the catstrophic levels of katrina. i believe theres only so much preparation you can do due to lack of knowledge until you just go fuck it well have to rely on strategery.
my exact point is the lack of preparation and response is the very reason it's become even more of a catastrophe. weather systems arent as 'unpredictable' as you think. wrong place for your blame.

[Jason Tate]

people are complaining that we didnt prepare enough so its bush's fault.

wait a minute. if we had known about this for so long, then why the fuck are people blaming bush? bush hasnt been president for the last ten years. wheres the preparation from that? i mean honestly bush comes into office, WHAM 9/11. so anything he had even planned on starting (if noone before had planned anything for this shit) is delayed because we got attacked. and i agree, he couldve "resumed" or whatever, but how do we know he had anything to work off of
Because the rest of us read the news and it's pretty common knowledge at this point what he knew, what we knew, and what could have been done differently. Yes hindsight is 20/20, but you only needed one eye to be working right to see what should/could have been done differently in this situation.

[MammothJohn]

people are complaining that we didnt prepare enough so its bush's fault.

wait a minute. if we had known about this for so long, then why the fuck are people blaming bush? bush hasnt been president for the last ten years. wheres the preparation from that? i mean honestly bush comes into office, WHAM 9/11. so anything he had even planned on starting (if noone before had planned anything for this shit) is delayed because we got attacked. and i agree, he couldve "resumed" or whatever, but how do we know he had anything to work off of
Think about it this way. How much money has been spent on HOME LAND SECURITY in the four years since 9/11. This was the first chance Bush had since then to show off his First Response team that was too take care of Americans in response to a Massive Emergancy. He promised that American would be ready, and we were not ready. Thats why I personally blame Bush. He has been too busy trying to keep my dick out of another boys butt to make sure the steps were being taken to deal with another national emergancy.

[sputniksignals]

meh im sorely unknowlegable in this all but im leaving my last point at this becaus tate gave me an idea

why dont we stop bickering about what SHOULD have been done and what we COULD have done. its over. its happened. the problems are here. kanye spoke his mind like he has a right to. but im realizing how dumb i am for even trying to argue. i have ideas for what im GOING to do around here to get some money and whatnot over there. so im going to stop arguing about the past and worry about what i myself can do and not what the president, or anyone else should and could have done

[Jason Tate]

And for me, I'm annoyed because the day after the hurricane, instead of flying to Louisiana, Bush flew to San Diego to party with business peeps. And, Bush reduced the Army Corps of Engineers' budget for New Orleans this summer for the third year in a row.

[BrandFuckingNew]

"we're fighting them there so we won't have to..." ...focus on our domestic problems.

[Jason Tate]

meh im sorely unknowlegable in this all but im leaving my last point at this becaus tate gave me an idea

why dont we stop bickering about what SHOULD have been done and what we COULD have done. its over. its happened. the problems are here. kanye spoke his mind like he has a right to. but im realizing how dumb i am for even trying to argue. i have ideas for what im GOING to do around here to get some money and whatnot over there. so im going to stop arguing about the past and worry about what i myself can do and not what the president, or anyone else should and could have done
Well, what we should have done is not vote Bush into office again ... (or ever for that matter).