Jeez, Talk About A Rip Off

[Frank Giaramita]

This is nuts:
Check out the "Leaving" video for The Starting Line (www.startinglinerock.com), and then look at the rip off Geffen just made of it for another one of their bands, Lifehouse:

The Starting Line- "Leaving" (http://startinglinerock.com/downloads/Default.asp?assetid=804669)
Lifehouse- "You And Me" (http://www.lifehousemusic.com/downloads/)

[Contortionist]

haha, what about simple plan ripping off REM's "everybody hurts" that rip off was even worse

[Greg Thimmes]

Are You Kidding Me!

[Jared Kaufman]

Are You Kidding Me!
No They're Not?

[Greg Thimmes]

No They're Not?

Atleast the end wasn't the same, my favorite part of the TSL video was the guy slamming down the picture.

[crayZbuzzard]

I don't really like The Starting Line, but their video had the most kickass ending and Leaving is a better song than You And Me. Lifehouse is so fucking boring.

[albatrossxivy]

one has a happy ending
one has a "sad" ending
its not the same exact video
but its a close concept
is lifehouse that band that sings
im fallllingg even more in love with you blah hanging by a momment or whatever?
^bad song.

[fullerm]

I don't really like The Starting Line, but their video had the most kickass ending and Leaving is a better song than You And Me. Lifehouse is so fucking boring.
it seems like the slime just oozes everywhere over at geffen these days.

[RockVocalPower]

Same setting, same basic concept (except for the end), but not necessarily a rip off.

[local superhero]

TSL's vid was definitely better for the sole fact that fat-boy-superstar Andy Milonakis and his trusty guitar were in it... 'nuff said.

[StartingLine182]

one has a happy ending
one has a "sad" ending
its not the same exact video
but its a close concept
is lifehouse that band that sings
im fallllingg even more in love with you blah hanging by a momment or whatever?
^bad song.


Yeah thats them.

[splitsecond]

Well since I refuse to register for this bullshit, I guess I wont watch it. Fuck Geffen.

[albatrossxivy]

Yeah thats them.those bastards :shake:

[LiLxb0yxbLuE]

Atleast the end wasn't the same, my favorite part of the TSL video was the guy slamming down the picture.
ditto, and i'm not about to watch a lifehouse video. sorry guys. i don't even think i could stand it muted...

[Teoa_Fes]

I hate all this "register" crap so you can download the video. it is bullshit...I was going to watch the video but im definetly not registering just for a video.

[albatrossxivy]

Same setting, same basic concept (except for the end), but not necessarily a rip off.
i love butch walker aka ur icon

[I.O]

the label actualy got sl a video?

[Tomte]

the ending of the tsl video is so great!

[1000shadesofred]

even the damn website have the same format... i hate geffen

[Frank Giaramita]

I fucking love this Lifehouse song.

[two_days_slow]

I fucking love this Lifehouse song.
Lifehouse are great, even as much as people are hating on them.

[Chalie22]

lifehouse was my ex girlfriend favorite band. I seen them before.... met them in person, won a contest , and heard them play an acoustic set. Probably the nicest musicians I EVER met, I like these guys.

[thispostscript]

yea i was waiting for the guy to rip up that note or slam it down

[Ender217]

TSL's vid was definitely better for the sole fact that fat-boy-superstar Andy Milonakis and his trusty guitar were in it... 'nuff said.

Milonakis is almost 30.

[thebestkylever]

i would have been cool with the rip-off if the dude had pushed the girl out in front of the train as it was leaving, or vice versa.

[tommyhaych]

I was close to hanging myself after listening to that hunk a junk (lifehouse).

[Dr Balls]

Fucking stupid Starting Line! Fuck them for ripping off Lifehouse!
- Dr. Balls

[Frank Giaramita]

Lifehouse are great, even as much as people are hating on them.
I agree, "Hanging By A Moment", "Everything" and "You and me" are fucking amazing songs.

[xThursdayxPTWx]

I agree, "Hanging By A Moment", "Everything" and "You and me" are fucking amazing songs.

I can't help but sense sarcasm, but I realy do love Lifehouse, I remembered hating "Hanging By A Moment", but then heard "Sick Cycle Carousel" and that pretty much changed my mind about them.

[jawkneephighv]

HAHAHAHAH ANDY MILANAKUS IS IN THE STARTING LINE VIDEO!!!!

and lifehouse sucks anyway.

and i like TSL's video much better.

[Trademark797]

this is not a rip off..it does remind me of it though..but both songs are brilliant!

[NameTaken69]

the starting lines video is 10 times better, and there 1000 times better than lifehouse as a band

[Throwback]

I dont understand how the members of Lifehouse can be content with playing the most bland music out there. I mean I know they're rollin in da $ but jesus, its sooooooooooo boring.

[TheSceneStealer]

thank you i was waiting for someone else to notice it, its in the same train station for god sakes

[OnFallowGround]

You don't have to register to watch it...


just go to www.launch.com (http://www.launch.com) and search for The Starting Line under Videos.

[Cal Smith]

what happened to the fat hispanic guy in lifehouse? i always thought he looked out of place in the band and it looks now that he is out of place.

[Adeniz19]

i like the starting lines ending better

[Frank Giaramita]

I can't help but sense sarcasm, but I realy do love Lifehouse, I remembered hating "Hanging By A Moment", but then heard "Sick Cycle Carousel" and that pretty much changed my mind about them.

No sarcasm at all, promise. I personally don't understand why people call them "boring and bland" because "You And Me" is a fucking beautiful song, same with "Everything". Although both of them are slow...fuck, so are Coldplay songs... slow doesn't mean boring by any means. I think people need to give this band a bigger chance, because some of their shit is really really solid. I haven't had the chance to listen to the entire new record yet, but I will once I get the chance to pick it up.

[muddysocks7]

i really like the new MCR video... but all i can think about when I watch it is Saving Private Ryan... just throwing it out there

[Stubby0918]

No sarcasm at all, promise. I personally don't understand why people call them "boring and bland" because "You And Me" is a fucking beautiful song, same with "Everything". Although both of them are slow...fuck, so are Coldplay songs... slow doesn't mean boring by any means. I think people need to give this band a bigger chance, because some of their shit is really really solid. I haven't had the chance to listen to the entire new record yet, but I will once I get the chance to pick it up.
Everything is one of my favorite songs by them. It might be long but it picks up at the end and it makes you truly appreciate the song. The new record is pretty good. I love the first song on the CD, that's amazing. But lifehouse is far from boring. The song "Take Me Away" from their sophomore album, Stanley Climbfall, is pretty amazing as well.

I saw them in concert and they just had so much energy as a band. They ended their set with a double song encore. Everything and Hanging By A Moment. I have a lot of respect for this band.

[lostntheseethru]

haha, what about simple plan ripping off REM's "everybody hurts" that rip off was even worse


at least when simple plan did it they said they were doing it to resemble the REM video...this one is the same train station, the same whole freaking idea. well exept they get back together in the end... its bad

[Stubby0918]

at least when simple plan did it they said they were doing it to resemble the REM video...this one is the same train station, the same whole freaking idea. well exept they get back together in the end... its bad
I really don't see how it matters, it's just a video. It's not like I have a different opinion of Lifehouse because they have a similar video to TSL.

at least when simple plan did it they said they were doing it to resemble the REM video...this one is the same train station, the same whole freaking idea. well exept they get back together in the end... its bad
Anyway, you're from Indy? I'm currently a freshman at IU Bloomington. And you're going to see Ryan Cabrera? Good stuff. I have a lot more respect for him because I've seen him live. He gets really into the audience and he has an incredible sense of humor.

[StrikeAnywhere9]

both of these bands blow alot of ass

[Stubby0918]

both of these bands blow alot of ass
I find it absolutely ridiculous for anyone to criticize a band. People aren't always going to agree on the music they like, it's not the end of the world. No one really cares if you dislike this band. Whether or not you enjoy their music, TSL and Lifehouse are both extremely talented artists both musically and lyrically.

[lostntheseethru]

I really don't see how it matters, it's just a video. It's not like I have a different opinion of Lifehouse because they have a similar video to TSL.


Anyway, you're from Indy? I'm currently a freshman at IU Bloomington. And you're going to see Ryan Cabrera? Good stuff. I have a lot more respect for him because I've seen him live. He gets really into the audience and he has an incredible sense of humor.


hes fucking ADD off the wall...ive seen him a couple of times. im not so much into his music but after meeting the guy, i go to his shows to support him. hes so crazy to talk to. its like hes on crack or something...remember the scene from corky romano when chris katan is trying to talk to the kids and hes on crack cuz the dog attacked him. yea thats what its like...seriously

[hopeforthebest]

i really like the new MCR video... but all i can think about when I watch it is Saving Private Ryan... just throwing it out there
that movie was one of the video's influences.. that's why it reminds you of it.

[EvilButters]

Yeah the Lifehouse song is pretty bland. Their first single wasn't bad, I guess. They just seemed to be lacking something. Talent? Maybe...Charisma? Also maybe...Anyway that's the first time I've seen that Starting Line video. The ending is awesome, I wasn't expecting it.

[Stubby0918]

hes fucking ADD off the wall...ive seen him a couple of times. im not so much into his music but after meeting the guy, i go to his shows to support him. hes so crazy to talk to. its like hes on crack or something...remember the scene from corky romano when chris katan is trying to talk to the kids and hes on crack cuz the dog attacked him. yea thats what its like...seriously
Hahahaha. He's a really incredible musician though. The song he has for the Fantastic 4 soundtrack is incredible. I love it. I really do enjoy his music. Let's just say I have a variety in the music I listen to. But, Ryan is actually really talented.

[lostntheseethru]

Hahahaha. He's a really incredible musician though. The song he has for the Fantastic 4 soundtrack is incredible. I love it. I really do enjoy his music. Let's just say I have a variety in the music I listen to. But, Ryan is actually really talented.


yea i dont think he isnt talented, i just have to take it in small doses. otherwise i get bored and when im bored with music i get pissed off. so small doses. haha. i too have a wide variety of music i listen most of which i get shit for but oh well i like it anyway.

[Stubby0918]

Yeah the Lifehouse song is pretty bland. Their first single wasn't bad, I guess. They just seemed to be lacking something. Talent? Maybe...Charisma? Also maybe...Anyway that's the first time I've seen that Starting Line video. The ending is awesome, I wasn't expecting it.
Nah, they have talent. Their music isn't really meant to be fast paced rock. Most of their music is slower. I bought the first CD and only liked one song. But then I heard "Everything" and I had a new respect for them. I think that one song everyone should give it a listen. It's really incredible. I'm not trying to force you to listen to it. But I think it's a musically talented song. Their live show is amazing. You respect a band more when you see them live.

[plainoldbrent]

oh well... leaving was epic and life changing... the ending was incredible

[Stubby0918]

yea i dont think he isnt talented, i just have to take it in small doses. otherwise i get bored and when im bored with music i get pissed off. so small doses. haha. i too have a wide variety of music i listen most of which i get shit for but oh well i like it anyway.
Oh I thought I replied. Yeah, Music is music. If you like it well then that's great. I mean, I have a Hilary Duff poster in my dorm. She's catchy as hell. What's not to like? She also co-writes her albums. So it's not like she's just singing, you know?

[xcryurheartoutx]

That is messed up, end of story.

[lostntheseethru]

Oh I thought I replied. Yeah, Music is music. If you like it well then that's great. I mean, I have a Hilary Duff poster in my dorm. She's catchy as hell. What's not to like? She also co-writes her albums. So it's not like she's just singing, you know?


ok see i cant stand hilary duff. she can continue to act all she wants. and hell i might go see that movie if it looks good to me. but i cant stand her voice. her singing makes me so annoyed. im not kidding. i cant take it. shes a cute little girl but id much rather watch her on the movie screen than hear her on the radio...

[CorporateFish]

Wow..that TSL video has always been one of my favorites. This is terrible. But at least they didnt use the same ending.

[Panda]

Just so all yall know....Geffen does not come up with the concepts for videos. The band & director do. DUH!

[TSLManager]

But people at the label do give input and ask for portions to change in the story to be "more marketable" or cost effective. They can also refuse to make a concept if they don't like it.

There were people at Geffen that wanted TSL to change the ending of that video becuase they "didn't get it".


Just so all yall know....Geffen does not come up with the concepts for videos. The band & director do. DUH!

[StrikeAnywhere9]

I find it absolutely ridiculous for anyone to criticize a band. People aren't always going to agree on the music they like, it's not the end of the world. No one really cares if you dislike this band. Whether or not you enjoy their music, TSL and Lifehouse are both extremely talented artists both musically and lyrically.


hahhaha tsl is lyrically talented hahahhahahhaahahhahahahahaha.

oh my god

not to mention any 13 can play their songs.


"the next time im around we will kiss girl"
hhahahhahaan your hilarious dude

[JarettEast]

For the most part it is the same video. I will say that I am very close with a band on Geffen and the band for the most part has the say in what the video will be like. That being said, someone at the label should have recognized the situation.

[GAD_guy]

the videos are similar, i wouldln't call the lifehouse video a ripoff though. oh and frank, lifehouse fucking blows and i can't see how anyone can listen to a song of theirs (let alone an entire album) without going insane from boredom, and just the utter shittness.

[here4ulaw]

i fuckin love this lifehouse song

[Stubby0918]

hahhaha tsl is lyrically talented hahahhahahhaahahhahahahahaha.

oh my god

not to mention any 13 can play their songs.


"the next time im around we will kiss girl"
hhahahhahaan your hilarious dude
You can laugh all you want. They write lyrics that are clever and are easily relatable. I never said that every line in every song was the skill of an amazing writer.

[ThisIsSoBrandNw]

WHOAA, is that andy milinokais in the starting line video, the little fat kid with the guitar?

[goddamngourd]

it really irks me when people rag on music because its easy to play... just a douche thing to say...

[TSLManager]

yes it is, we met him at the Jimmy Kimmel show they day before they shot the video and asked him to be in it



WHOAA, is that andy milinokais in the starting line video, the little fat kid with the guitar?

[ZACHARIAS]

ITS NOT THAT BIG A DEAL

they both are based on a few movie scenes and seperated by like 3 years

[thesynapse]

The Starting Line is better anyway.

[two_days_slow]

No sarcasm at all, promise. I personally don't understand why people call them "boring and bland" because "You And Me" is a fucking beautiful song, same with "Everything". Although both of them are slow...fuck, so are Coldplay songs... slow doesn't mean boring by any means. I think people need to give this band a bigger chance, because some of their shit is really really solid. I haven't had the chance to listen to the entire new record yet, but I will once I get the chance to pick it up.
Everything is amazing. The new record is pretty good. Pick it up.

[TakingBackNolan]

This is fucking ridiculous. People are hating on Lifehouse, but are praising Ryan Cabrera? Where the hell am I?

[A. Beaverhausen]

I couldn't even sit through the whole lifehouse video!!

[Stubby0918]

This is fucking ridiculous. People are hating on Lifehouse, but are praising Ryan Cabrera? Where the hell am I?
I'm praising both Lifehouse and Ryan Cabrera.

[The Big Timer]

who fucking cares anyway?

[Plaidical]

lifehouse(that one song) reminds me of getting driven to school really early in the morning and half sleeping through the morning show but listening to this song. enjoyable
and not only did I get upset that I had to sign up to watch the video, but at the other link somoene posted it woudlnt work with my Opera browser. ugh

but speaking of boring
the 2nd new Foo Fighters CD
holy crap, put me to death already

[Jason Tate]

Lifehouse reminds me of my senior year of high-school where every girl and her boyfriend's "song" was that "Hanging by a Moment" tune. I don't think I've ever been happier breaking up with a girl just so I wouldn't ever have to have her cry on my shoulder when that fucking song played on the radio.

I'm sitting around TRYING to get "For Me This Is Heaven" as her and my song, and the dumb slut NEEDS to have it be Lifehouse. Trendy bitch.

O, and as you can tell, I'm totally not over having my heart broken by a Lifehouse loving (currently stripping for money) cunt.

That's all.

(O, and the new TSL album is one of the most underrated albums out this year. I bet by this time next year, everyone realizes this ...)

[CLARIFY THIS]

'No name face' is still one of my favourite albums.

Tate- What makes you think that the TSL album is underrated.1 week,1 week,1week (look below)

[Stubby0918]

Lifehouse reminds me of my senior year of high-school where every girl and her boyfriend's "song" was that "Hanging by a Moment" tune. I don't think I've ever been happier breaking up with a girl just so I wouldn't ever have to have her cry on my shoulder when that fucking song played on the radio.

I'm sitting around TRYING to get "For Me This Is Heaven" as her and my song, and the dumb slut NEEDS to have it be Lifehouse. Trendy bitch.

O, and as you can tell, I'm totally not over having my heart broken by a Lifehouse loving (currently stripping for money) cunt.

That's all.

(O, and the new TSL album is one of the most underrated albums out this year. I bet by this time next year, everyone realizes this ...)
It is underrated. People praise the FOB CD still and TSL easily blows it out of the water.

[lostntheseethru]

It is underrated. People praise the FOB CD still and TSL easily blows it out of the water.


nah...the starting line are good, but there isnt much to them. i dont want to get into a fall out boy debate, everyone has opinions and all the sudden everyones opinion is to hate on fall out boy. im just saying there is a whole lot more to fobs songs than tsls songs

[PicturesBleed]

how can no one notice this a long time ago when the video for life house first came out. they suck though nothing like the starting line.

[duffe]

The Starting Line is better anyway.
:ditto:

[Stubby0918]

nah...the starting line are good, but there isnt much to them. i dont want to get into a fall out boy debate, everyone has opinions and all the sudden everyones opinion is to hate on fall out boy. im just saying there is a whole lot more to fobs songs than tsls songs
Don't get me wrong, I like Fall Out Boy. My opinion though stands that TSL is better. More mature than their previous album. Fall Out Boy's first album was amazing.