Seriously...(iPod Nano)

[Blared]

http://www.apple.com/ipodnano/
They brought out yet ANOTHER iPod product?

[Vincewithouthee]

Haha that's insane. I'd rather have a regular iPod though.

[-whisp-]

Haha that's insane. I'd rather have a regular iPod though.

yea me too.

[Northstar1245]

Haha that's insane. I'd rather have a regular iPod though.

Ditto.

[Sin Built]

next thing you know theyll have rainbow colored ipods called gaypods.

[Vanity__Dearest]

this thing is just ridiculous...they're just making 1000 song variations..and adding another 100 dollars for each one..

not that genius....

next thing you know theyll have rainbow colored ipods called gaypods.got your's preordered? :thumbs up:

[elemenohpe]

Haha that's insane. I'd rather have a regular iPod though.

exactly. hard drive space means a whole lot more to me than actual weight/size.

[Kif]

"With 2GB (500 songs) and 4GB (1,000 songs) models starting at $199"

...

[TJ Wells]

I just sold my old grey iPod (20 gig) on ebay (with 3000 songs on it) for $500, and so I copied all the songs to my computer, went out and bought a new color one (40 gig), recopied all the songs, and pocked the cash

[Drew Beringer]

I think it's a big improvement over the mini's. I would still buy a reg iPod, but for those who don't listen to a lot of songs will love this.

[last light]

my 40gb ipod is great...4,000 songs on it and i still have 25gb free

[Vincewithouthee]

exactly. hard drive space means a whole lot more to me than actual weight/size.

Yeah exactly. I'd rather have something that can hold 10x the amount of songs for about 150 bucks more. That's a deal.

Plus on this thing, it breaks easier I bet. Plus how easy is it to lose it?

[ActorInThisPlay]

seems pretty pointless. 4GB for $249 when you can get the 20GB iPod for $299. oh well its cool I guess but I will not be buying one. I like my Shuffle better anyway.

[the_narrator]

It's still bad ass. I won't be trading in my 40GB anytime soon, but that's still quite bad ass. I want to actually see it though, see how thin it really is.

[Kyle Garchar]

apple just dominated the entire music player industry

[Vincewithouthee]

apple just dominated the entire music player industry

They have been.

[when 4ever ends]

dude that is awesome.. look at how thin that is

and the ipod phone
http://www.apple.com/itunes/mobile/

[Drew Beringer]

Like I said, this is a big improvement over the Mini.

[when 4ever ends]

oh they released itunes 5 too

[Kyle Garchar]

They have been.very true

just more so than before

[Drew Beringer]

dude that is awesome.. look at how thin that is

and the ipod phone
http://www.apple.com/itunes/mobile/

Well, I just found my new cell phone, I'll be buying that phone this summer when my contract is up. :thumbsup:

[MLLMillenium]

I see nothing wrong with ti. Like the photo replacing the iPod this got rid of the Mini. So they rnt flooding the market since Mini's wont be made anymore.

I am selling my mini to the idiots online who will still buy it at full price not realising this.

http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=5806871838&rd=1&sspagename=STRK%3AMESE%3AIT&rd=1

yeah Ebay

[when 4ever ends]

awesome i would love to see this feature in a firmware upgrade .. this comes on the nano so it will probally be out for the new ipods

Lock your iPod Screen to prevent your iPod from being used by someone without your permission

[Scott Weber]

apple just dominated the entire music player industry
except no, they didn't. They are number 1, but they're FAR from dominating.

apple keeps creating more and more useless shit, and rich trendy people will keep buying it.

[Kyle Garchar]

except no, they didn't. They are number 1, but they're FAR from dominating.

apple keeps creating more and more useless shit, and rich trendy people will keep buying it.I'm referring to versatility, they have a music product for everyone. As useless as you think it is, it is perfect for a lot of other people.

[when 4ever ends]

its also in black on teh apple website http://a248.e.akamai.net/7/248/2041/841/store.apple.com/Catalog/US/Images/ipodx_family_050907.jpg

[a typicalcliche]

nano pets?

[when 4ever ends]

except no, they didn't. They are number 1, but they're FAR from dominating.

apple keeps creating more and more useless shit, and rich trendy people will keep buying it.
according to this report on engaget (it was published a year ago, they may have more or less market right now)
"The NPD Group said on Tuesday that the iPod accounted for 92.1 percent of the market for hard drive-based music players, up from 82.2 percent a year ago (if that’s not dominance, we don’t know what is). Coming up secord and third were Creative Technology players (3.7%) and Digital Networks North America’s Rio (3.2%). While those numbers are no-doubt daunting for the followers, the NPD Group report did mention that there seems to be room for competition in the smaller player market currently topped by Apple’s iPod Mini (which is why Virgin and Creative just rolled out their new 5GB players). The problem for the little guys, says the NPD Group, is that people looking for players in the smaller configuration appear to only know the iPod, with kids are asking their parents for iPods this year rather than just asking for MP3 players, much like we begged our parents for a Nintendo in late late 80s rather than pleading with for a video game console."

http://www.engadget.com/entry/8647777232365311/

[Blared]

except no, they didn't. They are number 1, but they're FAR from dominating.

apple keeps creating more and more useless shit, and rich trendy people will keep buying it. So they will dominate.

The phone is a neat concept...wish it wasn't just cingular though. Only a 100 songs too. And if I'm carrying my phone, I'm usually carrying my iPod.

[SkaBum14]

My friend already called dibs on the patent for the iPod waffle iron. My patent for the iPod Tampon is getting processed right now.

[Kyle Garchar]

according to this report on engaget (it was published a year ago, they may have more or less market right now)
"The NPD Group said on Tuesday that the iPod accounted for 92.1 percent of the market for hard drive-based music players, up from 82.2 percent a year ago (if that’s not dominance, we don’t know what is). Coming up secord and third were Creative Technology players (3.7%) and Digital Networks North America’s Rio (3.2%). While those numbers are no-doubt daunting for the followers, the NPD Group report did mention that there seems to be room for competition in the smaller player market currently topped by Apple’s iPod Mini (which is why Virgin and Creative just rolled out their new 5GB players). The problem for the little guys, says the NPD Group, is that people looking for players in the smaller configuration appear to only know the iPod, with kids are asking their parents for iPods this year rather than just asking for MP3 players, much like we begged our parents for a Nintendo in late late 80s rather than pleading with for a video game console."

http://www.engadget.com/entry/8647777232365311/pwn

[when 4ever ends]

i ddint mean to come across as an i know more then you scott in that post.. haha i read it a while back.. and my guess is since it was published over a year ago those stats are wrong now.

[ActorInThisPlay]

wow now that i put that into perspective of actually how big it is...its like .2 inches longer then the shuffle. about .5 inches wider and about half as thin. that is fucking small. now if they could only come out with say a 20GB player with those measurements, i would buy it in a heartbeat.

[Kyle Garchar]

i ddint mean to come across as an i know more then you scott in that post.. haha i read it a while back.. and my guess is since it was published over a year ago those stats are wrong now.im sure apple has higher numbers than last year

last year i had an iriver

i hated it, sold it, and got an ipod

[Scott Weber]

according to this report on engaget (it was published a year ago, they may have more or less market right now)
"The NPD Group said on Tuesday that the iPod accounted for 92.1 percent of the market for hard drive-based music players, up from 82.2 percent a year ago (if that’s not dominance, we don’t know what is). Coming up secord and third were Creative Technology players (3.7%) and Digital Networks North America’s Rio (3.2%). While those numbers are no-doubt daunting for the followers, the NPD Group report did mention that there seems to be room for competition in the smaller player market currently topped by Apple’s iPod Mini (which is why Virgin and Creative just rolled out their new 5GB players). The problem for the little guys, says the NPD Group, is that people looking for players in the smaller configuration appear to only know the iPod, with kids are asking their parents for iPods this year rather than just asking for MP3 players, much like we begged our parents for a Nintendo in late late 80s rather than pleading with for a video game console."

http://www.engadget.com/entry/8647777232365311/
Sheesh. I stand corrected on the dominance. Apple products and accessories are sweet, but totally overpriced. I hate how people buy them and then can barely work them. Hopefully these iPods are better quality, it's funny how so many people complain about their iPods breaking down, every week we have an "iPod help" thread.

[when 4ever ends]

Sheesh. I stand corrected on the dominance. Apple products and accessories are sweet, but totally overpriced. I hate how people buy them and then can barely work them. Hopefully these iPods are better quality, it's funny how so many people complain about their iPods breaking down, every week we have an "iPod help" thread.
i just think since more people have an ipod, there are more problems.

you dont hear any help me with my mac threads.. because they are not as popular.

[lackofcolour 13]

gay. ipod's have become such a status symbol. I bought one and have realized that its a device I can definitely live without.

[Blared]

I know, if when I leave the house, I check to have my money and my cellphone and then my iPod as well, it's become something I can definatley not live without.

[DownAndOut]

I would lose it. Plain and simple.

As for iPods in general, I don't like them. I'm not a fan of Apple. Plus everyone I know that has an iPod has had problems with them and recomended not buying one. Even the Best Buy near me is suggesting not to buy one because when you have a problem with it they can't do anything and you have to ship it back to Apple.

[Scott Weber]

i just think since more people have an ipod, there are more problems.

you dont hear any help me with my mac threads.. because they are not as popular.
my mom just bought a powerbook because she heard they were simple and had no problems...she's had it for 3 weeks and she's got all sorts of problems with it. Oh well.

Bottom Line: Apple products are overpriced and are a status symbol - especially iPods.

[Drew Beringer]

my mom just bought a powerbook because she heard they were simple and had no problems...she's had it for 3 weeks and she's got all sorts of problems with it. Oh well.

Bottom Line: Apple products are overpriced and are a status symbol - especially iPods.

I agree, although I have an Ibook and an Ipod and haven't had any problems with them.

[lackofcolour 13]

they have completely monopolized the mp3 market. The could sell it for way cheaper, but everyone pays it, because its the best.

[Blared]

I honestly don't see them as a status symbol. I don't see anyone saying your not cool if you don't have an iPod. It's just been marketed like no other mp3 player. When someone says "I wanna get my daughter an mp3 player for her birthday..." are they going to think of that creative labs thing or the guys dancing around in the ipod's commercial during the superbowl that makes it seem so easy?

[kidinthecorner]

I live with my iPod, and I haven't had any problem with it, save one time when it froze, but was fine. My roommate had an ooolllld one and it died once, but was replaced with a newer one (same generation as mine) and it's been a year without a problem. I think, proportionate to the amount of people who own them, they don't have a huge issue with technical difficulties. I could be wrong tho, I have no stats in front of me, but for the amount of people that own one, you can expect there to be some problems.

[Skatetopunk]

I just sold my old grey iPod (20 gig) on ebay (with 3000 songs on it) for $500, and so I copied all the songs to my computer, went out and bought a new color one (40 gig), recopied all the songs, and pocked the cash
that is brilliant... what dumbass paid 500 dollars for a 20 gig...

i have 3 mac's a 20gig photo ipod and a windows lap top... guess whats the only thing i have problems with... the freakin pos windows computer... bottom line apple pwns and i hate my pc... :(

[kidinthecorner]

that is brilliant... what dumbass paid 500 dollars for a 20 gig...

i have 3 mac's a 20gig photo ipod and a windows lap top... guess whats the only thing i have problems with... the freakin pos windows computer... bottom line apple pwns and i hate my pc... :(
Wow I should really do that too... Old 20gig with 3381 songs... think I can grab that much for it?

[Skatetopunk]

Wow I should really do that too... Old 20gig with 3381 songs... think I can grab that much for it?
yeah really if there are people out there dumb enough to fall for it... i should just go out and buy like 3 of them for 299... fill them up with all my rad music then sell each of them for 500

[ActorInThisPlay]

yeah really if there are people out there dumb enough to fall for it... i should just go out and buy like 3 of them for 299... fill them up with all my rad music then sell each of them for 500
haha that is a great idea actually...

[Scott Weber]

yeah really if there are people out there dumb enough to fall for it... i should just go out and buy like 3 of them for 299... fill them up with all my rad music then sell each of them for 500
learn how to use a computer. Only noobs have problems with Windows.

I honestly don't see them as a status symbol. I don't see anyone saying your not cool if you don't have an iPod. It's just been marketed like no other mp3 player. When someone says "I wanna get my daughter an mp3 player for her birthday..." are they going to think of that creative labs thing or the guys dancing around in the ipod's commercial during the superbowl that makes it seem so easy?
If you don't see apple products as a status symbol, you're fucking blind. I know girls that don't have iPods because they can't afford them, but they buy the white earbuds just to look like they do. Seriously.

By the way, Apple doesn't make the best product. It's excellent, but there are so many more that offer more features and are more compatible...for less money and longer battery life. The only real thing apple has going for it with the iPod is that it looks the best.

[Kyle Garchar]

my mom just bought a powerbook because she heard they were simple and had no problems...she's had it for 3 weeks and she's got all sorts of problems with it. Oh well.

Bottom Line: Apple products are overpriced and are a status symbol - especially iPods. just because apples make more sense and are generally simpler doesn't mean you don't have to have common sense to learn how to use it before you write it off. give anyone who has never driven a manual, a 1987 V olskwagen and watch them struggle and give up. user error buddy.

[Skatetopunk]

learn how to use a computer. Only noobs have problems with Windows.


If you don't see apple products as a status symbol, you're fucking blind. I know girls that don't have iPods because they can't afford them, but they buy the white earbuds just to look like they do. Seriously.

By the way, Apple doesn't make the best product. It's excellent, but there are so many more that offer more features and are more compatible...for less money and longer battery life. The only real thing apple has going for it with the iPod is that it looks the best.
what the fuck is that soposed to mean... it has nothing to do with my experience level... in my opinion macs are far better for what i use a computer for, photo and video editing....

haha that is a great idea actually...
yeah but its my idea... if everybody does it then it wont work :(

[Scott Weber]

just because apples make more sense and are generally simpler doesn't mean you don't have to have common sense to learn how to use it before you write it off. give anyone who has never driven a manual, a 1987 V olskwagen and watch them struggle and give up. user error buddy.
That's how I feel about people who complain about getting "viruses" and having their computer freeze with Windows. That stuff never happens to me. And Skatetopunk, that's fine, we'll always differ there, because I use my computer for chatting, gaming, and multimedia...all things that PCs are FAR superior at than Macs.

[Skatetopunk]

That's how I feel about people who complain about getting "viruses" and having their computer freeze with Windows. That stuff never happens to me. And Skatetopunk, that's fine, we'll always differ there, because I use my computer for chatting, gaming, and multimedia...all things that PCs are FAR superior at than Macs.
oh i agree totally... only an idiot would say that macs are as good as pc's for games... but i think macs are a better compromise...with anything there are plusses and minuses

[kidinthecorner]

If you don't see apple products as a status symbol, you're fucking blind. I know girls that don't have iPods because they can't afford them, but they buy the white earbuds just to look like they do. Seriously.
That's the dumbest thing I've ever heard. They tell us here on campus, and I've seen it on the news at home, to buy replacement headphones and NOT use the white ones because they scream "ROB ME, I HAVE AT LEAST $300 IN ELECTRONICS ON ME!" and people get jumped and even killed for an iPod. Someone should pass that info onto those morons buying white earphones to look like they have one.

[Scott Weber]

oh i agree totally... only an idiot would say that macs are as good as pc's for games... but i think macs are a better compromise...with anything there are plusses and minuses
True, true. I just get so fucking frustrated with Apple and the way they market their products. The one click mouse was the most ridiculous thing ever, i had to use one of those at work for a while and I was going nuts. I know you can buy a 5 button mouse, but why even SELL a mac with that shit? Argh.

That's the dumbest thing I've ever heard. They tell us here on campus, and I've seen it on the news at home, to buy replacement headphones and NOT use the white ones because they scream "ROB ME, I HAVE AT LEAST $300 IN ELECTRONICS ON ME!" and people get jumped and even killed for an iPod. Someone should pass that info onto those morons buying white earphones to look like they have one.
I don't care if you think it's dumb - it's the TRUTH. I think it's retarded too - but seriously, you're blind, absolutely blind, if you don't see the apple products being a status symbol....

[Skatetopunk]

True, true. I just get so fucking frustrated with Apple and the way they market their products. The one click mouse was the most ridiculous thing ever, i had to use one of those at work for a while and I was going nuts. I know you can buy a 5 button mouse, but why even SELL a mac with that shit? Argh.


I don't care if you think it's dumb - it's the TRUTH. I think it's retarded too - but seriously, you're blind, absolutely blind, if you don't see the apple products being a status symbol....
lol yeah but there are aspects of microsofts marketing that makes me just as mad... but at the end of the day these corperations are out to make money

and as for apple products being a status symbol is that not the best marketing strategy ever... get everyone wanting your product even if they dont need it for what its designed for... brilliant if you ask me

[Scott Weber]

lol yeah but there are aspects of microsofts marketing that makes me just as mad... but at the end of the day these corperations are out to make money

and as for apple products being a status symbol is that not the best marketing strategy ever... get everyone wanting your product even if they dont need it for what its designed for... brilliant if you ask me
Apple's marketing team is amazing, they've made all their products highly desireable, to the point where people who don't even need them will still buy them. It's uncanny.

Then again, apple isn't even smart enough to get the patent on their navigation screen, or click wheel, now both owned by other major corporations (including Microsoft). That's going to cost them.

[Kyle Garchar]

but at the end of the day these corperations are out to make money....opposed to when they wouldn't want to make money

[Skatetopunk]

....opposed to when they wouldn't want to make money
i ment all corperations in general....

[kidinthecorner]

How much status does an iPod bring? I know some fairly poor people who have them.

I also see some dirt-poor people spending hundreds on shoes they can't really afford and cars they shouldn't have (Escalades). People just have their priorities in the wrong spots, I don't think it proves too much if you have an iPod.

Hell, I probably shouldn't own one, because it's much more money than anyonein my family has to spare, but I do.

[Scott Weber]

How much status does an iPod bring? I know some fairly poor people who have them.

I also see some dirt-poor people spending hundreds on shoes they can't really afford and cars they shouldn't have (Escalades). People just have their priorities in the wrong spots, I don't think it proves too much if you have an iPod.

Hell, I probably shouldn't own one, because it's much more money than anyonein my family has to spare, but I do.
Wow, you really don't understand the term "status symbol," do you.

If you're poor, buying an iPod, even if you can barely afford it, makes you seem less poor. Therefore it gives you status. It's also a fashion statement to have an ipod. All the celebrities have them, etc...

And yeah, you should have bought one of the better players for less money. That is, if you're not concerned about the status symbol thing.

[Louise Heng]

omg sooooo cute.

look how little it is. i want it!

[Blared]

It's different in certain places with the status symbol thing. I know when they came out, and I had one, everyone was like "whoa, that's awesome." A week later they hit and everyone had then, and people just use it and put it away. No one talks about each other's iPod's let alone looks at what headphone's someone's wearing. Atleast in my town.

[Scott Weber]

It's different in certain places with the status symbol thing. I know when they came out, and I had one, everyone was like "whoa, that's awesome." A week later they hit and everyone had then, and people just use it and put it away. No one talks about each other's iPod's let alone looks at what headphone's someone's wearing. Atleast in my town.
..............

omg sooooo cute.

look how little it is. i want it!

boom.

it's as simple as that. I can't believe people are actually arguing AGAINST apple products being status symbols!!! it's ridiculous!! even apple lovers will admit that there's a large population that buys their products solely on that reason...

[Skatetopunk]

yeah see i know they are status symbols but i dont see how that is a bad thing or negitvely reflects the product of the company...i have had an ipod since the 1st gen... and have paid for them with my money i made from working... so i think its stupid to buy something to conform but at the same time its a bitchen product that i use every day...

[Blared]

There is, but it's not like every single person. Your making it sound like everyone who buys an iPod does it because it's "omg soooo cute" and that's just not the case.

[b e L I E v e]

well im planning on getting one, hopefully

I dont listen to THAT much music, as i now have my 4 gig mini, which i bought a couple months back for two hundred bucks, filled with only 3 gigs...one gig left is enough for me, as i find myself taking off songs sometimes...

so i think im going to return my old mini, and buy this one...i go for the thin products...i just bought the Razr...and the black one will go well with the black razr...haha....yeah, for an extra fifty bucks im going to go for the thinner model, its a hell of a lot easier to carry, as far as im concerned, which is good for me...im still going to think about it though...maybe i will buy it in three months when the new iPod comes out

[Scott Weber]

There is, but it's not like every single person. Your making it sound like everyone who buys an iPod does it because it's "omg soooo cute" and that's just not the case.
No...I'm not. You're making it seem like nobody buys apple products as a status symbol or for looks over quality. I know many of people who buy iPods based on their merits.

[Drew Beringer]

The only reason I have an iPod is because my girlfriend bought me on this summer. I was getting along fine without one and I still would be if I didn't have one. I do agree that it is a status symbol. I bet that all the sorority bitches at my school will all have one of these Nanos by next week.

[Blared]

Your not seeing my point, Scott. I know people who are plenty poor and get trashed about it all the time, and have an iPod. They don't get any less crap while they're playing those white headphones. It's a matter of opinion and I think we are coming from two different perspectives.

[Scott Weber]

Your not seeing my point, Scott. I know people who are plenty poor and get trashed about it all the time, and have an iPod. They don't get any less crap while they're playing those white headphones. It's a matter of opinion and I think we are coming from two different perspectives.
?

There's no opinions here. People buy apple products ALL THE TIME as a status symbol. Just google the words "iPod Status Symbol" and look at the 10,000 some results.

Very first link I found - apple advertises based on status symbols...

http://www.zdnet.com/5208-10532-0.html?forumID=1&threadID=10383&messageID=207617&start=-1

"It always amazes me what their marketing folks can get away with. Only Apple can get away with pushing a crippled product with no navigation capability and turn it in to a marketing slogan of "life is random". Never mind that random shuffle has already been a feature of $20 music players for nearly a decade. It's like the artist that can sell a photo of an invisible woman (a plain old white canvas) for a few hundred thousand dollars."

[BackInTheJox]

apple just dominated the entire music player industry

That's a scientific fact... they own over 82% of legal downloads.

[Drew Beringer]

?

There's no opinions here. People buy apple products ALL THE TIME as a status symbol. Just google the words "iPod Status Symbol" and look at the 10,000 some results.

Very first link I found - apple advertises based on status symbols...

http://www.zdnet.com/5208-10532-0.html?forumID=1&threadID=10383&messageID=207617&start=-1

"It always amazes me what their marketing folks can get away with. Only Apple can get away with pushing a crippled product with no navigation capability and turn it in to a marketing slogan of "life is random". Never mind that random shuffle has already been a feature of $20 music players for nearly a decade. It's like the artist that can sell a photo of an invisible woman (a plain old white canvas) for a few hundred thousand dollars."

Haha, that's so true. I've always thought the shuffle thing was a piece of shit.

[BackInTheJox]

Haha, that's so true. I've always thought the shuffle thing was a piece of shit.

A pretty damn expenisve piece of shit, actually. It's probably the worst product Apple has ever made... besides the flower power iMac G3.

http://www.watch.impress.co.jp/pc/docs/article/20010222/apple1.jpg

EDIT: Hey, don't you think the Nano looks kinda stretched?

[Scott Weber]

Haha, that's so true. I've always thought the shuffle thing was a piece of shit.
it's so retarded.

[Drew Beringer]

it's so retarded.

I always think it looks like one of those self-pregnency test things.

[when 4ever ends]

well i think all of this is a difference of opinion. apple makes great products.. scott will always think that windows are superior to macs because of what he does with them. for the average user that just browses the net and want less viruses, a mac is for them.. sure you can buy virus protection for windows and not get a virust but some people want a mac for less spyware and want to have less trouble reformating things. compatability is a big thing windows will always win. as far as apple being a status symbol.. it depends on the user. i got an ipod, cause i liked the user interface and it was the easist one to use while some other people just buy it say they own an ipod.

[A picasso blue]

someone tell me how this is any different from an Ipod mini?

[when 4ever ends]

someone tell me how this is any different from an Ipod mini?
flash memory, color screen, view photos, thinner. theres more

www.ilounge.com

[niveK]

someone tell me how this is any different from an Ipod mini?
Well, it is thinner and has a color/photo screen.

[Scott Weber]

well i think all of this is a difference of opinion. apple makes great products.. scott will always think that windows are superior to macs because of what he does with them. for the average user that just browses the net and want less viruses, a mac is for them.. sure you can buy virus protection for windows and not get a virust but some people want a mac for less spyware and want to have less trouble reformating things. compatability is a big thing windows will always win. as far as apple being a status symbol.. it depends on the user. i got an ipod, cause i liked the user interface and it was the easist one to use while some other people just buy it say they own an ipod.
Ugh. I don't even HAVE any anti-virus software and I've never gotten a virus since I bought this computer a year ago. The only way to get viruses is to be totally stupid about what you download.

iPods actually aren't even the easiest to use...my friend came over with this sweet Zen player the other day, and all you have to do to transfer music to it is drag the album onto it via USB...no software, no nothing, then it shows up on your player under the folder name. Really easy stuff and it doesn't have to deal with mistagged stuff (something iTunes is notorious for being a stinker about)

Also, how is it hard to reformat on Windows? All you do is turn off your computer, and put the windows CD in...reinstall...and you're reformated. lol.

[Blared]

I'd rather use iTunes than drag and drop USB.
It's a difference of opinion about status or not, and bringing mac/windows into this topic is stupid, I think. Windows users will always say windows is better, and mac users will always say mac is better.
But yeah, it's not too hard to reformat on windows..

[Scott Weber]

I'd rather use iTunes than drag and drop USB.
It's a difference of opinion about status or not, and bringing mac/windows into this topic is stupid, I think. Windows users will always say windows is better, and mac users will always say mac is better.
But yeah, it's not too hard to reformat on windows..
You'd rather have to install the iPod and iTunes software on every single computer instead of carrying around your mp3 player to somebody else's house and filling it with music, regardless of what software, operating system they had?

ok.

[when 4ever ends]

haha we have had this debate so many times... but i dont know how to get rid of all this spyware on my computer.. it installs all these hidden folders and stuff i cant get at.. im having a lot of problems. i ran spybot etc and it cant delete them. if i were on a mac i think i would not be having this problem. its not because i want an ibook too fit in with the crowd (even though most people dont have ibooks, so there isnt really a crowd to follow) i just wantone because its easier and stuff dosent get buried deep into my harddrive where i cant delete it.

[Scott Weber]

haha we have had this debate so many times... but i dont know how to get rid of all this spyware on my computer.. it installs all these hidden folders and stuff i cant get at.. im having a lot of problems. i ran spybot etc and it cant delete them. if i were on a mac i think i would not be having this problem. its not because i want an ibook too fit in with the crowd (even though most people dont have ibooks, so there isnt really a crowd to follow) i just wantone because its easier and stuff dosent get buried deep into my harddrive where i cant delete it.
sheesh.

i don't understand how you people get all that spyware.

[Louise Heng]

sheesh.

i don't understand how you people get all that spyware.
porn.

at least that's how my brother loaded up my computer with spyware etc.

[Signals Corrupted]

lol how come everyone is "serious" today.