Can Someone Help Us? Thanks.

[Jason Tate]

Can someone answer this reader's question?

I apparently don't know how the pureVOLUME charts (http://www.purevolume.com/topArtistsSigned) work, but why isn't Allister (http://www.purevolume.com/allister) on the chart when they have more plays then the last two bands?

Submitted by Kleptokitty

[YearsGoneBy]

its nice to see Ion Dissonance up there with these big names

[Jared Kaufman]

its nice to see Ion Dissonance up there with these big names
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[YearsGoneBy]

oops...um, uhhh...i dont know

[NFG4ever]

This isn't the first time , I noticed that with Amber Pacific to.

[takingback2005]

cause allister sux!

[Jason Tate]

cause allister sux!
Well thought out and informative. Thanks!

[adelphi_rocks]

maybe it's because purevolume doesn't count song samples?

[LightUpAhead]

purevolume needs to work out kinks...I'v heard a few stories like this...most noticeably the issue regarding one of Fall Out Boy's songs shortly being displayed on every bands page ( or something along those lines.)

[NFG4ever]

Yeah the song sampler thing is proboly true but Amber Pacific it wasn't sampler's

and these Aliister songs are fucking good.

[DaveGaslin]

If you read the top of that chart it states:

"Top Artists(Signed)
The Top Artists By Most Played Song"

[sputniksignals]

i used to frequent the pv forums. as for the fall out boy mumbo jumbo, it was true that two FOB songs showed up before the bands actual songs, but that was because a template used for the audio player had those two songs up on it, so while they appear it is not the actual song and while the songs might have been fall out boys, playing them would not register on the fall out boy pv site, it would simply gain whichever pv site they were on plays. in other words you can put any song up on that site from another band and the only site that gains songs is the one you play it on

[JALT]

It's all rigged. PureVolume is all politics.

[OveriseFan]

It's all rigged. PureVolume is all politics.
It's true.

I know bands who have been purepicks just because their label(which could be small too just so you know) has connections with PV.

Bull Shit.

[andrewlterry]

I have an idea. Purevolume has been bought out by the major record labels. They list who they want to. They MAKE bands popular. They take the high bidders and post the band at the top. Purevolume has the biggest music influence on the internet now. Some of the numbers seem odd. I mean fallout boy has 6 1/2 million plays? Do you know how much 6 million is? Come on now........Just something to think about....

[tharealck]

Allister has 20 songs listed, so any given song probably isn't getting as many plays as the bands above them, because those bands have fewer songs. It's organized by the most played song of the day. All this talk about Purevolume being rigged...what basis is there here? Maybe they give preference on PurePicks, but inflating the play counts? I just don't think there's any evidence to support that idea.

It's not that surprising that Fall Out Boy has so many plays, given that they released "Sugar, We're Going Down" on there before the album came out, and so of course everyone just went to Purevolume to listen to it. The plays are reset each day, and each song is only counted once a day, so if you listen to the same FOB song 10 times on Monday, it only counts for one play, but if you listen to 10 different FOB songs each day for a week, it counts as 70 plays. Also, they just changed the default ranking system to most played song--before, it was the most total plays for an artist in any given day.

[everybodywakeup]

uhhh...they count the plays at the END of the day and then it's posted on the list the next day. At least thats what I've seen.

[YourMusicSucks]

uhhh...they count the plays at the END of the day and then it's posted on the list the next day. At least thats what I've seen.
That's probably it, Allister passed them on plays today and it wont be updated til tomorrow. That sounds reasonable and isn't rocking any of the massive conspiracy theories people are fond of, haha.

[Mickey]

Uhh, they didn't pay someone enough?

[The Silencer]

I'm pretty sure it goes by single most played song.

[Jason Tate]

That's probably it, Allister passed them on plays today and it wont be updated til tomorrow. That sounds reasonable and isn't rocking any of the massive conspiracy theories people are fond of, haha.They pased them yesterday too..

[JohnnyQuest]

Anyone notice this article at www.leakmob.com (http://www.leakmob.com)?

"Scandal? A representative from Drive-Thru has reason to believe that labels pay for spots on PureVolume's "Top 10 Signed Artists" list. The evidence he cites is that Underoath currently holds the number 10 spot at 5000 plays when Allister with 8000 plays hasn't made the list at all. Take it for what you will, but it's certainly interesting.

This just in: HelloGoodbye, another Drive-Thru artist, is also not on the list with 7000 plays. It seems strange to me though, that Drive-Thru wouldn't know about any sort of "pay for play" system that PV had going. I thought they were all buddy-buddy after that compilation."



May we call you Ms. Kleptokitty Reins?

[tragedyco]

$$

[tharealck]

No, I'm actually positive it's calculated fresh for each day, approximately every hour. It's by the song, not for the individual artist...the total number of plays you see, thats the number of plays for every song added up, whereas the rankings are by the most played song , which is a number that I think only the artists can view. Allister has 20 songs, so they're ~5,000 plays are probably dispersed amongst those songs; therefore, they don't have the single most played song.

This whole thing about PureVolume being a scandal may or may not be true, but Allister and Hellogoodbye not being ranked higher makes a lot of sense, given how they calculate the top artists. Hellogoodbye has 7 songs, Allister has 20 songs, whereas something like Troy's Mixtape of Love just had that 1 "song" for most of the time, so he was up there as the Top Artist, since he had the most played song. It makes sense to rank bands in popularity by doing it by song plays, i.e. giving creedence to bands that have more fans listen to a single song than just by bands that have 5% the number of fans listen to all 20 songs. The PurePicks dilemna is another thing altogether, but PureVolume rigging the top artists? Come on, don't you think they'd remember to change the number of plays if they did that. There's no evidence here to support them rigging the top 10 artists.

[JohnnyQuest]

No, I'm actually positive it's calculated fresh for each day, approximately every hour. It's by the song, not for the individual artist...the total number of plays you see, thats the number of plays for every song added up, whereas the rankings are by the most played song , which is a number that I think only the artists can view. Allister has 20 songs, so they're ~5,000 plays are probably dispersed amongst those songs; therefore, they don't have the single most played song.

This whole thing about PureVolume being a scandal may or may not be true, but Allister and Hellogoodbye not being ranked higher makes a lot of sense, given how they calculate the top artists. Hellogoodbye has 7 songs, Allister has 20 songs, whereas something like Troy's Mixtape of Love just had that 1 "song" for most of the time, so he was up there as the Top Artist, since he had the most played song. It makes sense to rank bands in popularity by doing it by song plays, i.e. giving creedence to bands that have more fans listen to a single song than just by bands that have 5% the number of fans listen to all 20 songs. The PurePicks dilemna is another thing altogether, but PureVolume rigging the top artists? Come on, don't you think they'd remember to change the number of plays if they did that. There's no evidence here to support them rigging the top 10 artists.
true.

I bestoweth upon thee scene points as numerous as the stars

[DenverHarbor22]

Does this stuff really shock anyone? I know it sucks but I always figured thats the way it works. It's all about money. Do you really think radio people play the music they want to play? They have what they have to play. Do you really think bands earn the TRL top spots based on actual voting? Its money money money. It has been and it always will be.

[SwedishHeat]

Maybe because it's playing Senses Fail songs instead of Allister songs??

http://webpages.csus.edu/~kdf22/glitch.jpg

Haha, that's one hell of a glitch.

[moonlights]

purevolume needs to work out kinks...I'v heard a few stories like this...most noticeably the issue regarding one of Fall Out Boy's songs shortly being displayed on every bands page ( or something along those lines.)
as this has been sorted out, THAT IS NOT A PROBLEM.
the flash player was written with that song as a base, that's all. it doesn't load the song, just the title.

[Imtheotherguy]

i'm pretty sure bands pay for the number one spot, as they also pay for the front page etc. I know a band personally who was number one as well as the featured artist who had something like 5,000 less plays than fall out boy, but only 3 or so songs up.

I've also talked to promoters/labels who have told me they pay to have their artists on the front page

but maybe it is by single song. I think when the starting line had like 45k plays in a day when they had their entire album up for streaming they werent number 1.

[CalebAndrew]

Like everyone else I've heard rumors of purevolume.com's corruption, but until somebody nabs some proof I guess I have no idea.

[dubbo]

I know its not an answer to the post but are PV plays really worth a pinch of shit when it comes to selling CDs?

Daphne Loves Derby , the one time darling of PV has millions of plays but is struggling to sell 10,000 CDs....there doesnt seem to be any parity to it all.

And remember when PVs front pages were full of bands you had never heard of .....now its full of bands you are sick of hearing of.

[RupertSays]

Ok here is the gist(i think thats who you spell it...) of how the charts really work (im pretty sure). Ok, plays are divided by the amount of songs. Example - Allister has about 1600 plays right now, but they have 20 songs for play. So Allister has a total of 80 (lets call them points), and their at #29. #28 happens to be Acceptance, with 1106 plays and 9 songs which = 122 points. Right now Coheed & Cambria is at #1 of the Top Ten with 5215 plays from 4 songs, which equals about 1300 points. Now, I don't exactly know how downloads are added onto the point system, but they seem to be worth a lot. In conclusion, its better to have a few songs on there with a bunch of plays than 20 songs and a decent amount of plays. Take it for whats its worth.

[tharealck]

Ok here is the gist(i think thats who you spell it...) of how the charts really work (im pretty sure). Ok, plays are divided by the amount of songs. Example - Allister has about 1600 plays right now, but they have 20 songs for play. So Allister has a total of 80 (lets call them points), and their at #29. #28 happens to be Acceptance, with 1106 plays and 9 songs which = 122 points. Right now Coheed & Cambria is at #1 of the Top Ten with 5215 plays from 4 songs, which equals about 1300 points. Now, I don't exactly know how downloads are added onto the point system, but they seem to be worth a lot. In conclusion, its better to have a few songs on there with a bunch of plays than 20 songs and a decent amount of plays. Take it for whats its worth.


Guys, come on...it's not that complicated. There is no points system, downloads are not factored in. It's by the most played song So here's an example:

Allister
Song 1: 1200 plays today
Song 2: 900 plays today
Song 3: 1000 plays today
Song 4: 500 plays today

Coheed
Song 1: 1800 plays today
Song 2: 400 plays today

The way it is calculated is by most played song. In this case, the most played song is Coheed's Song 1; therefore, Coheed is listed above Allister in most played artists. The reason why it's beneficial to have fewer songs is actually false logic: if you have more songs, it's likely you'll have more total plays amongst all the songs, but it doesn't help you to have the single most played song. It still doesn't hurt you though, because it doesn't take away plays from your most played song, it only adds plays to your total plays, which of course helps you, because labels take notice of total plays, and it helps that number increase more quickly. Downloaded songs are not factored into it; there is no equation. It's simply the most played song. All these conspriacy theories, while I'm not saying they are definitively untrue, there is no support for them in the top artist ranking system.