Sports media myth: "He spreads that there ball 'round so well *Favre slurp*"

[still_life]

You hear it every game: some moron, usually John Madden, has to say the ritual "Tom Brady is so good at spreading the ball around". It is no surprise Brady spreads the ball around, but is he special enough at doing it to mention it every game?

2004:
Collins - 8.4 receivers/game
Favre - 7.6 receivers/game
Pennington - 7.5 receivers/game
Griese - 7.3 receivers/game
Hasselbeck - 7.2 receivers/game
Culpepper - 7.1 receivers/game
Plummer - 7.1 receivers/game
Harrington - 7.1 receivers/game
Brady - 6.9 receivers/game :shake:
Green - 6.9 receivers/game
Boller - 6.9 receivers/game
Bulger - 6.9 receivers/game
McNabb - 6.7 receivers/game*
Delhomme - 6.4 receivers/game
Brooks - 6.1 receivers/game
Carr - 6.1 receivers/game
Manning - 5.7 receivers/game
Brees - 5.5 receivers/game
Vick - 5.4 receivers/game
Roethlisberger - 5.3 receivers/game

*McNabb's is actually 7.0/game if you take out the St. Louis game where he just played one series, throwing 3 passes to 3 guys.

Collins of all people was easily the best. Favre was 2nd best there, yet you never hear about him spreading it around. Joey Harrington and Boller never get credit for anything, yet they were better or equal to Brady at getting different guys involved. Culpepper and Hasselbeck were better too, yet are more known for their star receivers dropping balls or taking off plays. So how is it we can't go a broadcast without the moron doing the game mentioning how Brady spreads the ball around, when a bunch of other QBs are doing the same thing, and even better? Oh yeah, he's extremely overrated.

And this list should prove that it's not even that important. The two highest guys are Collins and Favre, both threw a bunch of picks last year. Then look at the bottom: Roethlisberger, Brees, and Manning. Offensive ROTY, Comeback Player of the year, and league MVP. You also have Vick, who had his team in the NFC championship last year. So yeah, why even mention something people do better than Brady all the time when it hardly matters?

[Vincewithouthee]

Great thread.

Madden's a retard.

Brady is horribly overrated and I hate his *** ass. The Pats are the team they are because of their defense. Brady's a good QB but overrated as shit. I really can't wait to see the Pats fall off this year. I really think they will. And I hope Brady puts up horrible numbers all season. God I hate him.

And yeah you're right, that list really does not matter at all. I never really saw the big deal of "spreading the ball around" that much. It's so stupid. One of the most overrated and pointless stats there is.

[sundaysetsashes]

tom brady sleeps with john in the madden trailer

[b e L I E v e]

tom brady sleeps with john in the madden trailer
id bet on that

Great thread Still Life

[NetNerdsRevenge]

Is your whole existence to watch the demise of Tom Brady and the Patriots?

[YouMadeTheScene]

the one thing you don't take into consideration though is the quality of recievers and the type of offense they play. most of the top qb's either play a west coast or spread offense or don't have a real top quality reciever outside of farve and culpepper. lets take a lot at the top 10 in this category.

Collins - Jerry Porter (http://www.nfl.com/players/playerpage/187624) (998 yds)
Favre - Javon Walker and Donal Driver (him and culpepper on exception)
Pennington - Santana Moss (838 yds and West Coast Offense)
Griese - Michael Clayton (1193 yds and play a spread offense not to mention and next best reciever was Joey Galloway)
Hasselbeck -Darrel Jackson (1199 yds they in reality play a mutant version of the West Coast)
Culpepper - Moss and Burrselson (see favre)
Plummer - Ashley Lelie (1084 yds)
Harrington - Roy William (817 yds)
Brady - David Givens (874 yds)
Green - Eddie Kennison (1086 yds)

so outside of Minnesota and Green Bay none of these teams have elite WRs really or they use a West Coast or Spread style offense which uses a lot of 3 WR sets and Short Passing which usually means more players.

[still_life]

Is your whole existence to watch the demise of Tom Brady and the Patriots?

Yes. I can't tolerate this team and everyone involved anymore. If Cleveland has a winning season because of Crennel, I'll explode.

the one thing you don't take into consideration though is the quality of recievers and the type of offense they play. most of the top qb's either play a west coast or spread offense or don't have a real top quality reciever outside of farve and culpepper. lets take a lot at the top 10 in this category.

Collins - Jerry Porter (998 yds)
Favre - Javon Walker and Donal Driver (him and culpepper on exception)
Pennington - Santana Moss (838 yds and West Coast Offense)
Griese - Michael Clayton (1193 yds and play a spread offense not to mention and next best reciever was Joey Galloway)
Hasselbeck -Darrel Jackson (1199 yds they in reality play a mutant version of the West Coast)
Culpepper - Moss and Burrselson (see favre)
Plummer - Ashley Lelie (1084 yds)
Harrington - Roy William (817 yds)
Brady - David Givens (874 yds)
Green - Eddie Kennison (1086 yds)

so outside of Minnesota and Green Bay none of these teams have elite WRs really or they use a West Coast or Spread style offense which uses a lot of 3 WR sets and Short Passing which usually means more players.

You're saying NE doesn't have a version of the WCO or spread offense? You did this to help my argument right? NE had one of the weaker receiving corps in the league last year. Pats use 5 WR sets and 2 TEs a lot, and they like to throw screens to Dillon/Faulk/Pass. That's 10 people right there in every game that have a real shot at catching it. Not to mention they sub guys in a lot (multiple games last year saw 3 different TE's catch a pass). They spread it out a lot, probably more than any team. Since Brady doesn't have an elite WR or a true #1 or #2 like other teams, shouldn't he be right at the top of the list, especially given the constant credit for spreading the ball around? But he's not.

[YouMadeTheScene]

You're saying NE doesn't have a version of the WCO or spread offense? You did this to help my argument right? NE had one of the weaker receiving corps in the league last year. Pats use 5 WR sets and 2 TEs a lot, and they like to throw screens to Dillon/Faulk/Pass. That's 10 people right there in every game that have a real shot at catching it. Not to mention they sub guys in a lot (multiple games last year saw 3 different TE's catch a pass). They spread it out a lot, probably more than any team. Since Brady doesn't have an elite WR or a true #1 or #2 like other teams, shouldn't he be right at the top of the list, especially given the constant credit for spreading the ball around? But he's not.
Well it all depends on how the QB is able to work with it. A good QB can use this to his advantage while a guy like Boller, Harrington, Griese, and Plummer can't. I don't mind Brady. I think he has a great mind for the game. He is able to"spread the ball around" and still win the games as compared to a Boller, Harrington, Griese, and Plummer who can't. You can put Brady on the Lions, Bucs, or Denver and he would still have the same stats. So if you are a good enough QB and you can spread the ball around I think Madden is right i think it is very important. Give credit where Credit is due the guy has 3 Superbowl Rings in Four years he must be doing something right.

[still_life]

Spreading the ball around does not = victory. That's proven by the placement of some guys on that list. The bottom 4 were in the playoffs last year, two in the championship round. Collins, #1, wasn't even close to a playoff game last year.

He is able to"spread the ball around" and still win the games as compared to a Boller, Harrington, Griese, and Plummer who can't.

All 4 spread the ball around better or just as good as Brady, but that's not the reason they were winning or losing games last year.

Give credit where Credit is due the guy has 3 Superbowl Rings in Four years he must be doing something right.

He gets credit for the Carolina game, but the others belong to the defense.

[YouMadeTheScene]

Spreading the ball around well=victory. you said yourself that a lot of these guys had a lot of interceptions something Brady didn't. Any quaterback can throw the ball to everyone of his eligible recievers that doesn't make him a smart quaterback. But Brady does it with precision and he does it in perfect timing not in his actualy pass but timing in the game. Brady has the ability to keep the defense on their toes at all times something most of those top 10 can't do except Favre and Culpepper. And didn't Brady win 2 Superbowl MVPs? So doesn't that mean at least 2 of those are because of his play? All I'm saying is any QB can spread the ball around evident by that list but the way Brady does it leads to him being a winning QB. He doesn't have an extrodinary arm so he has to win these games someway correct?


i'm confused are you slaming brady or aren't you lol

[still_life]

I'm not slamming Brady, I'm slamming this myth that he's so great at spreading the ball around, when really he's doing what most QBs in the NFL do, and I'm also saying it's just not that important. Where's the consistency in that list? You see good and bad QB's on top and bottom. There's no correlation between spreading the ball around and winning. The Patriots can win a game whether they throw to 4 guys or 10, it doesn't matter, and it sure isn't deciding the games for them.

Brady won SB MVP against the Rams by like four-tenths of a fan vote. It was a poor performance, and Ty Law or Vinatieri should have won it. Or actually the MVP was the officiating crew, but they are invalid recipients.

[Fullcollapse3k]

The main reason it probably gets brought up moreso with Brady than it does a guy like McNabb is because Brady doesn't have a guy putting up the kind of numbers that TO put up last year. NE doesn't have a receiver who lights up the stat sheet over the course of a full season, but Brady's numbers are good, so it makes it look like he's hitting everyone and their mother. Obviously according to the stats you posted, he really isn't.

Yes. I can't tolerate this team and everyone involved anymore. If Cleveland has a winning season because of Crennel, I'll explode.

There's better odds of the sky falling than the Browns having a winning season, so rest easy.

I really can't wait to see the Pats fall off this year. I really think they will.

You said that last year too.

[still_life]

Yeah, all you ever hear with Culpepper is Moss, meanwhile he was spreading it around very well last season, and I'd expect that to continue this year.

[Vincewithouthee]

You said that last year too.

SMD

[Fullcollapse3k]

Yeah, all you ever hear with Culpepper is Moss, meanwhile he was spreading it around very well last season, and I'd expect that to continue this year.

Exactly, he was without Moss for a good chunk of last year and he put up MVP numbers while hitting loads of backs and receivers. He'll do the same this year.

[NetNerdsRevenge]

Yes. I can't tolerate this team and everyone involved anymore. If Cleveland has a winning season because of Crennel, I'll explode.
ha, What do you think of ND over Michigan today?

[still_life]

ha, What do you think of ND over Michigan today?

Goes right in with what I said. Everyone related to this team seems to have unpredictable success where they go.