In:Aviate

[ohman]

Such a great band on the up and coming, i really wish Rise would put as much as time as they do with Breath Carolina and Watch out there ghost into In:Aviate. 1985 is such a great CD

[vivian_vitality]

I completely agree. Such an underrated band.

[hockeyguitar99]

Very good band. I wish Rise would let them go so they could get some goddamn credibility.

[JimGray]

Have not listened as the Rise roster is exceedingly bad, but if someone would like to link me, I may change my mind.

=]

[more heart]

Have not listened as the Rise roster is exceedingly bad, but if someone would like to link me, I may change my mind.

=]

Oh no, these guys are different. very Minus the Bear, Circa Survive-esque.

For the record, Rise isn't as bad as you guys say...

[JimGray]

Oh no, these guys are different. very Minus the Bear, Circa Survive-esque.

For the record, Rise isn't as bad as you guys say...

I'll check them out, but name 3 good Rise artists (not including this one.)

[fadedmemories]

I'll check them out, but name 3 good Rise artists (not including this one.)
I can only name The Years Gone By

as for this band, I was surprised as I was expecting the usual Rise records sound.

[Samc1803]

I love this band, but definitely agree about Rise. I enjoy a few on their roster, like Emarosa, TDWP, Attack Attack!'s debut, but they appear to have a quality control issue.

[voncorn]

I'll check them out, but name 3 good Rise artists (not including this one.)

Dance Gavin Dance
Emarosa
The Years Gone By

The first two generate a lot of hate on AP, but I like those guys a lot. In:Aviate are great too. The rest of the Rise roster are complete garbage.

[JimGray]

Dance Gavin Dance
Emarosa
The Years Gone By

The first two generate a lot of hate on AP, but I like those guys a lot. In:Aviate are great too. The rest of the Rise roster are complete garbage.

So now that you have proved my theory correct, I do not feel bad for not having listened to In:Aviate.

[Rodeo]

This band is awful and their album cover rips-off Shepard Fairey / OBEY.

[chipdip18]

This band is awful and their album cover rips-off Shepard Fairey / OBEY.

Do you not get any of the PMs i send you?

[Rodeo]

Just got 'em and I have a huge thing I'm writing for ya! :-)

[chipdip18]

Yes sweet!

[more heart]

I'll check them out, but name 3 good Rise artists (not including this one.)

The Years Gone By
Oceana
Burden of a Day
Before Their Eyes
Catherine
For the Fallen freams
dead and Divine

Would you like me to continue?

[more heart]

I'll check them out, but name 3 good Rise artists (not including this one.)

The Years Gone By
Oceana
Burden of a Day
Before Their Eyes
Catherine
For the Fallen Dreams
Dead and Divine

Would you like me to continue?

[Klatzke]

These guys are terribly underrated. And I admit that Rise does have more crap bands than quality ones, and people that don't dig metalcore are going to see them as basically all bust.

The only ones that really redeem the label are In:Aviate, Oceana and Dance Gavin Dance. Of Machines has the potential but right now they just sound like they're ripping off Oceana.

[the daniel]

These guys are terribly underrated. And I admit that Rise does have more crap bands than quality ones, and people that don't dig metalcore are going to see them as basically all bust.

The only ones that really redeem the label are In:Aviate, Oceana and Dance Gavin Dance. Of Machines has the potential but right now they just sound like they're ripping off Oceana.
In my option i think Of Machines is a mixture of Dance Gavin Dance/Emarosa/Pierce the Veil (vocally) and Oceana (instrumentaly) and I couldn't agree with you any less with what you said. I'm really excited for their new release

[Klatzke]

In my option i think Of Machines is a mixture of Dance Gavin Dance/Emarosa/Pierce the Veil (vocally) and Oceana (instrumentaly) and I couldn't agree with you any less with what you said. I'm really excited for their new release
I'm looking forward to it and definitely going to check it out, but they definitely aren't anything new at this point man. And the instrumentation is seriously almost identical to Oceana's from what I remember.

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I'm looking forward to it and definitely going to check it out, but they definitely aren't anything new at this point man. And the instrumentation is seriously almost identical to Oceana's from what I remember.

Doesn't help that each recorded with the same producer.

[the daniel]

I'm looking forward to it and definitely going to check it out, but they definitely aren't anything new at this point man. And the instrumentation is seriously almost identical to Oceana's from what I remember.
Yeah, I agree. I think In:Aviate should drop from Rise and get signed to Equal Vision...they seem like they'd fit perfectly there.

[Klatzke]

Yeah, I agree. I think In:Aviate should drop from Rise and get signed to Equal Vision...they seem like they'd fit perfectly there.
That would make some sense, but then EQV would have a little too many prog bands to keep making a profit off of them.

[Rodeo]

The Years Gone By
Oceana
Burden of a Day
Before Their Eyes
Catherine
For the Fallen Dreams
Dead and Divine

Would you like me to continue?


yes please... because you haven't said a good one yet.

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yes please... because you haven't said a good one yet.

Ask Klatzke about Oceana, He'll tell you they make up for all of the (according to you guys) "shitty" bands on Rise.

[JimGray]

The Years Gone By
Oceana
Burden of a Day
Before Their Eyes
Catherine
For the Fallen Dreams
Dead and Divine

Would you like me to continue?

Please do, as you have yet to hit 3.

[more heart]

Please do, as you have yet to hit 3.

I doubt you've bothered to listen to any of those bands that I listed

[JimGray]

I doubt you've bothered to listen to any of those bands that I listed

Yes, as I am an ignorant twat who likes to talk shit without knowing.

Dude, fuck off.

[dancelukedance]

I listened to in:aviate mid last year, i really "dug" their sound but i couldnt find it on the net or at record shops. I forgot about them! I'm gonna try and download it again. Rise have a few good bands...

Dance gavin dance and Emarosa are noteworthy


*My first post back from being wrongfully banned

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Yes, as I am an ignorant twat who likes to talk shit without knowing.

Dude, fuck off.

Relax dude!

Could you just explain to me what problems you have with the bands I listed?

[the daniel]

Relax dude!

Could you just explain to me what problems you have with the bands I listed?

Did you forget where you were posting at dude?. its "cool" here to hate Anthony Green and any band in the Rise Records roster

[dancelukedance]

Did you forget where you were posting at dude?. its "cool" here to hate Anthony Green and any band in the Rise Records roster


Hahaha too true

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Did you forget where you were posting at dude?. its "cool" here to hate Anthony Green and any band in the Rise Records roster

Poeple hate Anthony Green? I guess I'm not the only one who isn't completely impressed by his vocals.

I've known for a while people hate Rise Records. I like to take the opportunity to prove how wrong the are and that they shouldn't make any generalizations without anything to back it up.

[the daniel]

Poeple hate Anthony Green? I guess I'm not the only one who isn't completely impressed by his vocals.

I've known for a while people hate Rise Records. I like to take the opportunity to prove how wrong the are and that they shouldn't make any generalizations without anything to back it up.
HEYYY don't get me wrong I love Anthony Green and I like Rise Records. But they have some crappy generic bands such as Attack Attack! and Breathe Carolina, I mean, they're fun to listen to but damn...i'm just so stick of that stuff. Although I love Oceana, Dance Gavin Dance, Emarosa, In:Aviate and a few more. Thats probably why TDWP droped from Rise. Oh yeah, its cool to hate Warped Tour too rofl.

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HEYYY don't get me wrong I love Anthony Green and I like Rise Records. But they have some crappy generic bands such as Attack Attack! and Breathe Carolina, I mean, they're fun to listen to but damn...i'm just so stick of that stuff. Although I love Oceana, Dance Gavin Dance, Emarosa, In:Aviate and a few more. Thats probably why TDWP droped from Rise. Oh yeah, its cool to hate Warped Tour too rofl.

I knew that too. The only thing that has surprised me is Anthony Green. I figured people on this site would go apeshit for him..

[JimGray]

I actually like Anthony Green, and I was not calling the guy a twat, I was just saying, I'm not going to be that guy who posts something unless I know what I am talking about, and he was insinuating that I was.

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I actually like Anthony Green, and I was not calling the guy a twat, I was just saying, I'm not going to be that guy who posts something unless I know what I am talking about, and he was insinuating that I was.

I'm not calling you a liar at all. I just actaully want to hear what people think is really bad about Rise as I enjoy 90% of the bands on that label.

[hockeyguitar99]

I'm not calling you a liar at all. I just actaully want to hear what people think is really bad about Rise as I enjoy 90% of the bands on that label.

Oceana I don't have an issue with, but all of the rest if their bands (sans In:Aviate) are completely shit. Uncreative and at the lowest of their genres. There's nothing else to it. Those bands just flat suck.

[fadedmemories]

Oceana I don't have an issue with, but all of the rest if their bands (sans In:Aviate) are completely shit. Uncreative and at the lowest of their genres. There's nothing else to it. Those bands just flat suck.
I thought you liked TYGB?

[hockeyguitar99]

I thought you liked TYGB?

They're okay at best. I liked the record when I first heard it, but I haven't listened it 4 months.

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Oceana I don't have an issue with, but all of the rest if their bands (sans In:Aviate) are completely shit. Uncreative and at the lowest of their genres. There's nothing else to it. Those bands just flat suck.

Yeah Oceana is very talented but there are more great bands as well. Dead and Divine's last record was just an amazing concept record that was very different from a lot of what's out there within that genre. I think For the Fallen Dreams adds a little something different to the "meathead" hardcore style because they incorporate far more melody than most of the others in that genre. Of course there are others on that label who are just as talented. I tend to disagree slightly about being the lowest of their genres. I love bands like Before Their Eyes(who are creative in their own way) and Catherine and I would consider them far from the worst in their genre.

With that said I understand completely why people would say Breathe Carolina, AttackAttack!, Recon, Watchout! There's Ghosts(totally shitty minus one kind of catchy song) suck. They have little substance and just out there sometimes....

By the way, is "uncreative" a word? Just wondering.

[hockeyguitar99]

Yeah Oceana is very talented but there are more great bands as well. Dead and Divine's last record was just an amazing concept record that was very different from a lot of what's out there within that genre. I think For the Fallen Dreams adds a little something different to the "meathead" hardcore style because they incorporate far more melody than most of the others in that genre. Of course there are others on that label who are just as talented. I tend to disagree slightly about being the lowest of their genres. I love bands like Before Their Eyes(who are creative in their own way) and Catherine and I would consider them far from the worst in their genre.

With that said I understand completely why people would say Breathe Carolina, AttackAttack!, Recon, Watchout! There's Ghosts(totally shitty minus one kind of catchy song) suck. They have little substance and just out there sometimes....

By the way, is "uncreative" a word? Just wondering.

Yes, uncreative is a weird. And Dead and Devine's last record sucked. Before Their eyes are generic as hell, Fallen Dreams sound like every other metalcore band. And all the bands you listed on the bottom are just absolutely fucking terrible.

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Yes, uncreative is a weird. And Dead and Devine's last record sucked. Before Their eyes are generic as hell, Fallen Dreams sound like every other metalcore band. And all the bands you listed on the bottom are just absolutely fucking terrible.

Huh? I though the songs on the D&D record weren't extremely great but, the record as a whole I thought was creative. Again, that's most likely just me. BTE's newest record, in my opinion, is worse than their first record which I think is a better representation of who they are as a band. As far as FTFD goes, I'd say differently about them but, I do see where you're coming fom with that one. A band that may change your views a bit would be Burden of a Day. I couldn't imagine that there would be anything wrong with them. As I said before, while I like 90% of the label, I would agree that some of the bands on the label are pretty bad.

Oh, in my opinon, originality is so overrated.

[dancelukedance]

Yeah Oceana is very talented but there are more great bands as well. Dead and Divine's last record was just an amazing concept record that was very different from a lot of what's out there within that genre. I think For the Fallen Dreams adds a little something different to the "meathead" hardcore style because they incorporate far more melody than most of the others in that genre. Of course there are others on that label who are just as talented. I tend to disagree slightly about being the lowest of their genres. I love bands like Before Their Eyes(who are creative in their own way) and Catherine and I would consider them far from the worst in their genre.

With that said I understand completely why people would say Breathe Carolina, AttackAttack!, Recon, Watchout! There's Ghosts(totally shitty minus one kind of catchy song) suck. They have little substance and just out there sometimes....

By the way, is "uncreative" a word? Just wondering.

Hahaha "meathead"

What do you think of in:aviate and of machines?

[evilmegaman]

Mr. Vaseline: you like anthony green? try listening to IN:AVIATE. they're like a mix of circa survive and saosin.


But better all around IMO. the album actually has different moods and such. whereas Circa Survive's albums are pretty prentious and boring. (although, I like Saosin with green. and I do enjoy some circa songs. Solo is eh)




In:aviate's a sick band. Live they sounded basically as I expected. average. but fun CD

[ThisIsNotDan]

music's good, but don't dig the vocals. the whole "angelic" scene vocal thing is getting out of hand (i.e. Anthony Green, Jonny Craig, Craig Owens)

[hockeyguitar99]

Huh? I though the songs on the D&D record weren't extremely great but, the record as a whole I thought was creative. Again, that's most likely just me. BTE's newest record, in my opinion, is worse than their first record which I think is a better representation of who they are as a band. As far as FTFD goes, I'd say differently about them but, I do see where you're coming fom with that one. A band that may change your views a bit would be Burden of a Day. I couldn't imagine that there would be anything wrong with them. As I said before, while I like 90% of the label, I would agree that some of the bands on the label are pretty bad.

Oh, in my opinon, originality is so overrated.

haha. Burdern The day are one of the worst bands on that label.

[the daniel]

Although I love Rise...I just happen to hate it as well. In:Aviate, Of Machines, Oceana, The Devil Wears Prada, Emarosa, Dance Gavin Dance are just some of the great names for the label. I don't understand why everyone is constantly stirring up arguments in every thread. Just who cares...if you don't like Rise, that's respectable. If you don't like In:Aviate, that's also respectable as well. But can't we just discuss how sweet the newest release is?

[hockeyguitar99]

Although I love Rise...I just happen to hate it as well. In:Aviate, Of Machines, Oceana, The Devil Wears Prada, Emarosa, Dance Gavin Dance are just some of the great names for the label. I don't understand why everyone is constantly stirring up arguments in every thread. Just who cares...if you don't like Rise, that's respectable. If you don't like In:Aviate, that's also respectable as well. But can't we just discuss how sweet the newest release is?

no.

and lol at saying Of Machines, Oceana, The Devil Wears Prada, Emarosa, and Dance Gavin Dance are great, and that the label has more great bands. lol.

[hockeyguitar99]

Mr. Vaseline: you like anthony green? try listening to IN:AVIATE. they're like a mix of circa survive and saosin.


But better all around IMO. the album actually has different moods and such. whereas Circa Survive's albums are pretty prentious and boring. (although, I like Saosin with green. and I do enjoy some circa songs. Solo is eh)




In:aviate's a sick band. Live they sounded basically as I expected. average. but fun CD

Haha. We're in an In:Aviate thread, why in hell you would feel the need to recommend them.

[vicrattlehead56]

yah... i like alot of the rise artist but In:aviate im not too into them. i saw them this summer adn while they were friendly people and stuff there music was boring and there live show sucked. alot. very little showmanship.

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haha. Burdern The day are one of the worst bands on that label.

*Burden of a day

That was really weak. You(and everyone else) have yet to give me concrete evidence that Rise sucks for reasons more than just hating the label. Therefore, Rise officialy now awesome.

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Hahaha "meathead"

What do you think of in:aviate and of machines?

I like In:Aviate a bit and I'm really digging what I've heard from Of Machines thus far.

[PenThrive]

I just heard about this band earlier today. I enjoyed what I heard on their PV page.

[Klatzke]

Someone tell me a good song off of For the Fallen Dreams that incorporates this "melody" that seems like a myth at this point. Everything i've heard of them is just straight up brocore and sounds like watered down Misery Signals.

And if you don't like metalcore, how can you really be judging the quality of a (predominately) metalcore label?

I get that you can say like "of the bands that I know of, I dislike most of them" or "the bands that are my kind of thing tend to be some of the worst of their genre." Just saying, if I didn't listen to much heavier stuff at all, I wouldn't really think to judge a label that dabbles in a genre that I'm unfamiliar with.

That being said, they're going downhill fast. Oceana and In:Aviate are the two most innovative bands they have, which is pretty poor. Attack Attack!, Watchout There's Ghosts, and Breathe Carolina are probably some of the worst "bands" I've ever heard. The fact that people actually latch on and get into that stuff blows my mind. Recon and the other of their oppressively heavy metalcore stuff is all boring as hell, and really their only decent and good bands are Emarosa, Dance Gavin Dance, Oceana, In:Aviate and Of Machines if they do well with their debut.

As for American Me, Catherine (now, they used to be one of the best), Recon, Drop Dead Gorgeous, and Miss May I - they're either past their prime (see: Recon, DDG, Catherine) or they're just never going to take off.

PS: The jury is out on IFAF.

[hockeyguitar99]

*Burden of a day

That was really weak. You(and everyone else) have yet to give me concrete evidence that Rise sucks for reasons more than just hating the label. Therefore, Rise officialy now awesome.

I've told you the reasons why I don't like the bands. Just because you want to pretend that we didn't doesn't make it true.

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I've told you the reasons why I don't like the bands. Just because you want to pretend that we didn't doesn't make it true.

Come on, if were going to play the "originality" game, fucking Brokencyde is original but everyone knows they suck. Do you see my logic now?

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Someone tell me a good song off of For the Fallen Dreams that incorporates this "melody" that seems like a myth at this point. Everything i've heard of them is just straight up brocore and sounds like watered down Misery Signals.

And if you don't like metalcore, how can you really be judging the quality of a (predominately) metalcore label?

I get that you can say like "of the bands that I know of, I dislike most of them" or "the bands that are my kind of thing tend to be some of the worst of their genre." Just saying, if I didn't listen to much heavier stuff at all, I wouldn't really think to judge a label that dabbles in a genre that I'm unfamiliar with.

That being said, they're going downhill fast. Oceana and In:Aviate are the two most innovative bands they have, which is pretty poor. Attack Attack!, Watchout There's Ghosts, and Breathe Carolina are probably some of the worst "bands" I've ever heard. The fact that people actually latch on and get into that stuff blows my mind. Recon and the other of their oppressively heavy metalcore stuff is all boring as hell, and really their only decent and good bands are Emarosa, Dance Gavin Dance, Oceana, In:Aviate and Of Machines if they do well with their debut.

As for American Me, Catherine (now, they used to be one of the best), Recon, Drop Dead Gorgeous, and Miss May I - they're either past their prime (see: Recon, DDG, Catherine) or they're just never going to take off.

PS: The jury is out on IFAF.

Listen to "Through the Looking Glass" by FTFD. That whole song is pretty melodic.

Otherwise, I agree with everything you say. Most of the people who post about how much Rise sucks don't even listen to those kinds of bands. If you're looking for other bands on that label that are good, I strongly recommend Burden of a Day. They remind me of a cross between Oceana and Life In Your Way. Additonally, I agree about some of those bands being past their prime. I have a strong feeling that the new Catherine record is going to be my biggest dissapointment of 2009. I also think peoples hould give IFAF a shot. They sound like most bands but are doing something a little different. Same with Dead and Divine.

A Different Breed of Killer anyone? Very different from all of the other bands. Same goes for The Years Gone By.

[viva la cymche!]

Vocals are completely annoying. Rise Records is a fucking joke label.

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Vocals are completely annoying. Rise Records is a fucking joke label.

I don't like people like you...

[viva la cymche!]

I don't like people like you... That have opinions? Sorry if you like this band, but the dudes vocals completely ruin any good feeling I might have had towards this band, which is sad, because the instrumentals were solid.

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That have opinions? Sorry if you like this band, but the dudes vocals completely ruin any good feeling I might have had towards this band, which is sad, because the instrumentals were solid.

I respect you opinion if you don't like this band. I'm just sick of the unecessary Rise hate.

[viva la cymche!]

I respect you opinion if you don't like this band. I'm just sick of the unecessary Rise hate. Not a lot of good bands on that label, besides FBTMOF, and they left. The only one I can tolerate is Oceana, and everything else is ridiculously overhyped.

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Not a lot of good bands on that label, besides FBTMOF, and they left. The only one I can tolerate is Oceana, and everything else is ridiculously overhyped.

What hype? That's the thing, it's not as if you can't go anywhere without hearing about Rise bands.

[viva la cymche!]

What hype? That's the thing, it's not as if you can't go anywhere without hearing about Rise bands. I actually can't go to school without hearing "Jonny Craig is one of the best vocalists ever." at least once a day.

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I actually can't go to school without hearing "Jonny Craig is one of the best vocalists ever." at least once a day.

Lol.
Well, he is...

[Klatzke]

Listen to "Through the Looking Glass" by FTFD. That whole song is pretty melodic.

Otherwise, I agree with everything you say. Most of the people who post about how much Rise sucks don't even listen to those kinds of bands. If you're looking for other bands on that label that are good, I strongly recommend Burden of a Day. They remind me of a cross between Oceana and Life In Your Way. Additonally, I agree about some of those bands being past their prime. I have a strong feeling that the new Catherine record is going to be my biggest dissapointment of 2009. I also think peoples hould give IFAF a shot. They sound like most bands but are doing something a little different. Same with Dead and Divine.

A Different Breed of Killer anyone? Very different from all of the other bands. Same goes for The Years Gone By.
ADBOK sounds exactly like shitty metalcore, which it is. Dead and Divine is the same way. I heard so much hype for D&D but.. it's extremely generic.

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ADBOK sounds exactly like shitty metalcore, which it is. Dead and Divine is the same way. I heard so much hype for D&D but.. it's extremely generic.

Well ADBOK is very different from the rest of the roster, not that I'm a fan by any means. In parts, D&D is generic while in others they're not. I think their hype is that they're a conceptual band which can be rare in their genre.

[Klatzke]

Well ADBOK is very different from the rest of the roster, not that I'm a fan by any means. In parts, D&D is generic while in others they're not. I think their hype is that they're a conceptual band which can be rare in their genre.
How are they conceptual?

It's not that Rise just signs metalcore bands and they blend together, but they sign crap ones. It's interesting.

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How are they conceptual?

It's not that Rise just signs metalcore bands and they blend together, but they sign crap ones. It's interesting.

Their last record was concept based and they released an EP before signing with Rise which was the same deal.

I like most of Rise's metalcore bands but I'd find them average more so than crappy. That could just be me talking as a fan but that's how I see it. Here I Come Falling may have been just another sing/scream/keys/TDWP/Underoth kind of band but that record seemed like so much more. Catherine may just be another metalcore band falling into pending obscurity with their new record but The Naturals (at least lyrically) seemed to be at least slightly different. Or take Burden of A Day. They may seem like another hardcore/screamo hybrid but they seem to write with a ton of passion.

Again, maybe it's just me...

[Klatzke]

Their last record was concept based and they released an EP before signing with Rise which was the same deal.

I like most of Rise's metalcore bands but I'd find them average more so than crappy. That could just be me talking as a fan but that's how I see it. Here I Come Falling may have been just another sing/scream/keys/TDWP/Underoth kind of band but that record seemed like so much more. Catherine may just be another metalcore band falling into pending obscurity with their new record but The Naturals (at least lyrically) seemed to be at least slightly different. Or take Burden of A Day. They may seem like another hardcore/screamo hybrid but they seem to write with a ton of passion.

Again, maybe it's just me...
Burden of a Day lost their vocalist, and prior to Rise sounded completely different which makes me think they're just attempting to fit in.

And just because they have a concept base, it doesn't make them musically any better.

Catherine released what is possibly one of the best metalcore albums ever (Rumor Has It) before falling into being completely and totally mediocre in every way. It wasn't even just the loss of the vocalist; they play it extremely safe now.

Here I Come Falling was, to me, just another TDWP-ish band. They wouldn't have gotten much farther even if they hadn't broken up. they weren't bad, but they just didn't have the drive behind the music.

[hockeyguitar99]

Come on, if were going to play the "originality" game, fucking Brokencyde is original but everyone knows they suck. Do you see my logic now?

Originality doesn't make a band good, but a band that is totally unoriginal (like 95% of Rise Bands) are utterly useless. They do the same style has hundreds of other bands, and they are some of the worst at their respective genres.

[Klatzke]

Originality doesn't make a band good, but a band that is totally unoriginal (like 95% of Rise Bands) are utterly useless. They do the same style has hundreds of other bands, and they are some of the worst at their respective genres.
Which you're saying without actually knowing the genre all that well...

Not a big deal, I contend that most Rise metalcore is pretty re-hashed, but there are some completely unoriginal metalcore bands that can be quite entertaining, just as there are pop bands that do the same.

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Burden of a Day lost their vocalist, and prior to Rise sounded completely different which makes me think they're just attempting to fit in.

And just because they have a concept base, it doesn't make them musically any better.

Catherine released what is possibly one of the best metalcore albums ever (Rumor Has It) before falling into being completely and totally mediocre in every way. It wasn't even just the loss of the vocalist; they play it extremely safe now.

Here I Come Falling was, to me, just another TDWP-ish band. They wouldn't have gotten much farther even if they hadn't broken up. they weren't bad, but they just didn't have the drive behind the music.

I'm not too familiar w/ BOAD's first record but from the few songs I have, it sounds very similar to Blessed be Our Ever After.

I like D&D just a bit but I completely agree with what you said.

In my opinion, I prefer The Naturals over Rumor Has It but the change in vocalists is catching up to them because the Nick's screams on the new songs are terrible.

With Here I Come Falling, I think they may have had something going with a second release, much like with TDWP.

Fortunately, at least to me, there is some hope. I believe that Of Machines will release a stellar record and Miss May I is at least a little different from the rest of their metalcore acts they've signed. In Fear and Faith sound great and seem to have a somewhat original idea and of course, there is Oceana.

The bands that are a source the "crappiness" on that label are bound to either move to another label or break up. I'm already predicting that Breathe Carolina and W!TG will break up by the end of 2010. Attack Attack! will sign with a bigger label and will release one more record at the most with Rise.

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Originality doesn't make a band good, but a band that is totally unoriginal (like 95% of Rise Bands) are utterly useless. They do the same style has hundreds of other bands, and they are some of the worst at their respective genres.

And other genres aren't overplayed at all?

For me, as long as a band is at least somewhat talented musically and write material they're strongly passionate about, it's all good in my book.

[hockeyguitar99]

And other genres aren't overplayed at all?

For me, as long as a band is at least somewhat talented musically and write material they're strongly passionate about, it's all good in my book.

Thats the worst philosophy on music I've ever heard. Just because they have the a slight bit of talent and enjoy themselves doesn't make them good. Thats just ridiculous.

[hockeyguitar99]

Which you're saying without actually knowing the genre all that well...

Not a big deal, I contend that most Rise metalcore is pretty re-hashed, but there are some completely unoriginal metalcore bands that can be quite entertaining, just as there are pop bands that do the same.

I know the genres well enough to tell the good from the bad, and that's really all that matters.

[more heart]

Thats the worst philosophy on music I've ever heard. Just because they have the a slight bit of talent and enjoy themselves doesn't make them good. Thats just ridiculous.

Well there's also the philosophy about talking about genres one is not familiar with...

Being passionate isn't just writing something that they like. It's something that has a greater meaning to them.

[hockeyguitar99]

Well there's also the philosophy about talking about genres one is not familiar with...

Being passionate isn't just writing something that they like. It's something that has a greater meaning to them.


As I said, I'm familiar enough with the genres to tell the good from the bad, and thats all that I need in this case.

Passion has absolutely nothing to do with a deeper meaning.

[dancelukedance]

I don't like people like you...

Nor do i

I can't find 1985 anywhere on the net... hint hint

[Klatzke]

As I said, I'm familiar enough with the genres to tell the good from the bad, and thats all that I need in this case..

You claim, yet you've written off a few quality metalcore bands in this thread, as well as in others. It would be like me trying to judge all of your indie pop. For example, Pomegranates does nothing for me. You, liking that genre, can see what it is that sets them apart, while to me it just seems kind of boring.


In my opinion, I prefer The Naturals over Rumor Has It but the change in vocalists is catching up to them because the Nick's screams on the new songs are terrible.

Attack Attack! will sign with a bigger label and will release one more record at the most with Rise.

Attack Attack! is better off without Austin Carlile. I kind of like Of Mice and Men, but in AA! he was terrible, not to mention a hypocrite.

As well, even though you may be more partial to The Natural, you can't deny that in terms of creativity it was a step down from Rumor Has It. They went to an extremely more generic formula, and pretty much solidified themselves as a second string band.


I can't find 1985 anywhere on the net... hint hint

Then you're an idiot. Here: Link (http://www.itunes.com)

[batmannj]

I liked this release quite a bit, and going through what everyone else said so far, its pretty solid. I wish that Rise would sign some better bands, but its all good.

As Klatzke has said, check out Oceana, they are fantasic and write some damn good music.

I like some of the bands on Rise's roster quite a bit. I know I will get destroyed for this, but Attack Attack!'s album is pretty fun for me, and I still give it some spins. I know that TDWP is no on there anyomore, but I enjoyed them as well. While they were not the most original band to be on the scene, they made music that they believed in, and they have a lot of passion for the music they are making. I would say give me a band that loves doing what they do with a lot of passion making generic music over a band that makes something simply for indie cred any day of the week.

[hockeyguitar99]

You claim, yet you've written off a few quality metalcore bands in this thread, as well as in others. It would be like me trying to judge all of your indie pop. For example, Pomegranates does nothing for me. You, liking that genre, can see what it is that sets them apart, while to me it just seems kind of boring.



Attack Attack! is better off without Austin Carlile. I kind of like Of Mice and Men, but in AA! he was terrible, not to mention a hypocrite.

As well, even though you may be more partial to The Natural, you can't deny that in terms of creativity it was a step down from Rumor Has It. They went to an extremely more generic formula, and pretty much solidified themselves as a second string band.



Then you're an idiot. Here: Link (http://www.itunes.com)

I've written them off, because with my understanding of the genre, they are worse than a good number of bands in the genre that I know.

[ThisIsNotDan]

Small Towns Burn A Little Slower used to be on Rise. their last album was solid and catchy

[Klatzke]

I've written them off, because with my understanding of the genre, they are worse than a good number of bands in the genre that I know.
Oh, and which do you listen to?

[circatbs]

WOW I just noticed this thread...

Fucking love this band

[more heart]

You claim, yet you've written off a few quality metalcore bands in this thread, as well as in others. It would be like me trying to judge all of your indie pop. For example, Pomegranates does nothing for me. You, liking that genre, can see what it is that sets them apart, while to me it just seems kind of boring.



Attack Attack! is better off without Austin Carlile. I kind of like Of Mice and Men, but in AA! he was terrible, not to mention a hypocrite.

As well, even though you may be more partial to The Natural, you can't deny that in terms of creativity it was a step down from Rumor Has It. They went to an extremely more generic formula, and pretty much solidified themselves as a second string band.

Firstly, thank you for telling this kid off. He has little understanding of this genre and has yet to make a worthwhile arguement. Now about Austin, what exactly was it that he did wrong? I knew he was kicked out but I got the impression that he seemed like a really nice guy. I mean Nick form TYGB stands behind him; Of Mice and Men is even on their top friends.

I really don't think The Naturals is as bead as you say but I can't deny the creativity of Rumor Has It. One thing is certain though, Inside Out will suck.

[circatbs]

Firstly, thank you for telling this kid off. He has little understanding of this genre and has yet to make a worthwhile arguement. Now about Austin, what exactly was it that he did wrong? I knew he was kicked out but I got the impression that he seemed like a really nice guy. I mean Nick form TYGB stands behind him; Of Mice and Men is even on their top friends.

I really don't think The Naturals is as bead as you say but I can't deny the creativity of Rumor Has It. One thing is certain though, Inside Out will suck.

Don't mean to butt in here, but some kid who knew some guys in the band was saying that Austin basically fucked anything that walked, and was "unchristian" or something like that. He also said he was only in the band for money, fame, and girls.

In other news, I just put on 1985, kick ass record.

[more heart]

Don't mean to butt in here, but some kid who knew some guys in the band was saying that Austin basically fucked anything that walked, and was "unchristian" or something like that. He also said he was only in the band for money, fame, and girls.

In other news, I just put on 1985, kick ass record.

Well I don't see how that makes him a hypocrite or anything. If the band had problems with him not being completely Christian, he should have never been in the band. I hate when bands have members that they kick out because they weren't Christian(ie: Haste the Day, Mychildren Mybride). To be honest who cares if he had sex a lot. Is there even any truth to that anyway? I also doubt he was in it for the $$$, fame, and girls. If that was the case, he would have been in band that sounds more like The Maine rather than Sky Eats Airplane.


I still doubt some of this because I know someone in a band(who's also SxE) who would stand up for Austin.

[circatbs]

Well I don't see how that makes him a hypocrite or anything. If the band had problems with him not being completely Christian, he should have never been in the band. I hate when bands have members that they kick out because they weren't Christian(ie: Haste the Day, Mychildren Mybride). To be honest who cares if he had sex a lot. Is there even any truth to that anyway? I also doubt he was in it for the $$$, fame, and girls. If that was the case, he would have been in band that sounds more like The Maine rather than Sky Eats Airplane.


I still doubt some of this because I know someone in a band(who's also SxE) who would stand up for Austin.

I really have no idea if it's true or not, but that's what the kid said. AA! are a "christian" band, so that may be why they kicked him out, I really don't know though.

[more heart]

I really have no idea if it's true or not, but that's what the kid said. AA! are a "christian" band, so that may be why they kicked him out, I really don't know though.

When I saw AA! back in September, Austin did make one of those speeches in the middle of the set saying how they do this for Jesus Christ.

[circatbs]

When I saw AA! back in September, Austin did make one of those speeches in the middle of the set saying how they do this for Jesus Christ.

Yeah, so I'm guessing that's why he would be called a hypocrite.

[fadedmemories]

I just can't get into this band.

[Klatzke]

Firstly, thank you for telling this kid off. He has little understanding of this genre and has yet to make a worthwhile arguement. Now about Austin, what exactly was it that he did wrong? I knew he was kicked out but I got the impression that he seemed like a really nice guy. I mean Nick form TYGB stands behind him; Of Mice and Men is even on their top friends.

I really don't think The Naturals is as bead as you say but I can't deny the creativity of Rumor Has It. One thing is certain though, Inside Out will suck.
From what I understand he had sex with some girl, and he was drinking and stuff, which the band didn't condone. That's just word of mouth, but I think it's the general understanding for his departure.

[more heart]

I just can't get into this band.

It's really hit or miss. I like them, but not a whole lot.

[Klatzke]

And i just looked.. that new catherine song is terrible.

[more heart]

And i just looked.. that new catherine song is terrible.

Inside Out is ok but the rest are terrible and the screams are shit. I guarantee half of the bands on this label will break up and Craig will realize he needs to sign better bands.

[Klatzke]

Inside Out is ok but the rest are terrible and the screams are shit. I guarantee half of the bands on this label will break up and Craig will realize he needs to sign better bands.
It's pretty likely. I don't see Catherine really lasting past this next album truthfully, and there are plenty of other that could be in trouble.

[more heart]

It's pretty likely. I don't see Catherine really lasting past this next album truthfully, and there are plenty of other that could be in trouble.

Catherine has just had too many member changes. DGD will probobly break up for the same reason. Some of the only really safe bands on that label are Oceana, The Years Gone By, Before Their Eyes, Burden of a Day, and quite possibly Of Machines.

[circatbs]

I doubt DGD would break up...

They've been through all this shit, I think they can handle it.

[more heart]

I doubt DGD would break up...

They've been through all this shit, I think they can handle it.

Deathstar was a joke, but we''l see...

[hockeyguitar99]

Oh, and which do you listen to?

I didn't say that I listened to them, but I've read enough of your reviews and other peoples reviews, heard enough, to know which bands are at the top of the genre and which bands aren't.

[circatbs]

Deathstar was a joke, but we''l see...

Haha I didn't think so, but they're in the studio recording as of 2/14.

[Klatzke]

I didn't say that I listened to them, but I've read enough of your reviews and other peoples reviews, heard enough, to know which bands are at the top of the genre and which bands aren't.
To get an idea of who the big bands are, not necessarily how "credible" or "good" anyone is. For example, Underoath gets the most hype but is easily forgettable.

[more heart]

Woot! In:Aviate!

[hockeyguitar99]

To get an idea of who the big bands are, not necessarily how "credible" or "good" anyone is. For example, Underoath gets the most hype but is easily forgettable.

I know that, I read your reviews, and from that, know what good bands should do, I never said Underoath were at the top of the genre.

[circatbs]

I smell a run on sentence.

[the daniel]

This is now the "Official Rise Records Hate Thread", post awayyyyyyyyyy.....

[dancelukedance]

Then you're an idiot. Here: Link (http://www.itunes.com)

Not purchase.

[circatbs]

Not purchase.

http://lastdaysofautumn.blogspot.com/2008/09/in-aviate-1985.html

If you like it, buy it.

[Klatzke]

Not purchase.

Kinda my whole point asshole.

http://lastdaysofautumn.blogspot.com/2008/09/in-aviate-1985.html

If you like it, buy it.

BANT!! BANT!!

[dancelukedance]

http://lastdaysofautumn.blogspot.com/2008/09/in-aviate-1985.html

If you like it, buy it.

Thanks bud.

Of course i will.

I'm listening to Oceana at the present moment, they're alright

[circatbs]

Kinda my whole point asshole.



BANT!! BANT!!

Haha, he wants to listen to it, let him. If he likes and isn't a complete dick, he'll buy it. I'm hoping he buys it though.

[dancelukedance]

Kinda my whole point asshole.



BANT!! BANT!!


Are you serious? fucken chill out

[batmannj]

Are you serious? fucken chill out
If you wanna go listen to the music, go to their myspace page. The whole idea is, if you download the record and like it, it is the same thing as walking into a store and stealing the music. If you like the band, why would you want to diservice them by not supporting them?

[batmannj]

From what I understand he had sex with some girl, and he was drinking and stuff, which the band didn't condone. That's just word of mouth, but I think it's the general understanding for his departure.
Yeah from some of the things he posts on myspace, he is an attention whore too. I like the band, even though they certainly are not original or fantastic or anything, but I have fun listening to their record.

[circatbs]

If you wanna go listen to the music, go to their myspace page. The whole idea is, if you download the record and like it, it is the same thing as walking into a store and stealing the music. If you like the band, why would you want to diservice them by not supporting them?

He said he's going to buy it, leave him alone. I do it, it's a lot better than listening to shitty 96 kbps myspace quality.

[dancelukedance]

If you wanna go listen to the music, go to their myspace page. The whole idea is, if you download the record and like it, it is the same thing as walking into a store and stealing the music. If you like the band, why would you want to diservice them by not supporting them?

I haven't been living under a rock. I work at a record store, i buy 2 cds a week

[batmannj]

He said he's going to buy it, leave him alone. I do it, it's a lot better than listening to shitty 96 kbps myspace quality.
Well, to be fair, if you like the MySpace quality versions, you would most likely like the album version. I guess what I don't like is coming onto a forum asking for a link to illegally download music, I have seen people banned for less than that.
I haven't been living under a rock. I work at a record store, i buy 2 cds a week
That's great. So why don't you fit this one in in the next few weeks?

[circatbs]

Well, to be fair, if you like the MySpace quality versions, you would most likely like the album version. I guess what I don't like is coming onto a forum asking for a link to illegally download music, I have seen people banned for less than that.

That's great. So why don't you fit this one in in the next few weeks?

Well, I heavily judge the music I listen to based on the first listen, and I don't want to hear something for the first time in terrible quality. I will download it in good quality, listen to it, if I like it, I delete and go buy it. If I don't like it, I delete it and don't go buy it. See? No harm, no foul.

[Klatzke]

Are you serious? fucken chill out
That was mainly to your "not purchase" comment.

[more heart]

Progression of the In:Aviate thread:

Talk of In:Avaite to Rise Records praise/hate to scolding DanceLukeDance for not wanting to buy the In:Avite record.

Awesome!

[batmannj]

Progression of the In:Aviate thread:

Talk of In:Avaite to Rise Records praise/hate to scolding DanceLukeDance for not wanting to buy the In:Avite record.

Awesome!
lol! i have noticed most of the threads in the forums drift away from the original topic.

[Readyfuels]

Heard them for the first time this weekend and fell in love. It's hard to find super solid bands like this anymore.

[more heart]

Thgese guys are playing a free show tonight in Virginia with Saves the Day. Needless to say I'm jealous.

[evilmegaman]

Haha. We're in an In:Aviate thread, why in hell you would feel the need to recommend them.



lol i just saw this. so true. jesus. time to smoke a bowl