Seriously. What the Hell?

[Jason Tate]

Does this (http://albinoblacksheep.com/image/racistnews) seem weird to anyone else?

[weaknights]

i'm so sick of seeing that.
it's not that big of a deal.

[Jason Tate]

i'm so sick of seeing that.
it's not that big of a deal.
If you were continually judged by the color of your skin through the mass media, you may think differently. It's a VERY big deal, your denial doesn't make it ok.

[Paul Tao]

yeah i've seen that before, before that was on there. good stuff.

[dartanian=gods]

seriously it is a big deal, probably the only worth while thing mind of mencia has ever pointed out, but its totally bogus that theres still racist connotations today, especially in the media.

[ShoeSh1ne]

Real Time With Bill Maher anyone?

Oh, and it is a big deal.

[slickwataris]

Honestly, it doesn't sound weird at all to me

[FeynmanWannabe]

Wow.

[CLoach]

wow if you are taking bread and water that is looting that is trying to stay alive. when you take 20 pairs of nikes thats looting. sure both of them are looting but one you are trying to live the other one you are just being a dumb ass...

[robhimself]

If you were continually judged by the color of your skin through the mass media, you may think differently. It's a VERY big deal, your denial doesn't make it ok.

exactly. although there is a story of an elderly lady (white) who was a weekly church goer and never convicted of a crime for her whole life and was diabetic who got arrested for taking (or looting) sausage from a deli because she hadn't eaten in almost two weeks. and she was put in jail with a $50,000 bond. pretty sad...

[timlahan]

Alright. A little old with the news. Maybe you should stop listening to that tripe you call music for a second and look at cnn.com once in a while. Anyways, these photos were taken by two different photographers. This problem was already cleared up. The photographer that took the picture of the white couple SAW them take a loaf of bread that was just floating in the water. The black person was seen stealing the food. Move on.

[weaknights]

except it's not that racist at all.
the white woman has a loaf of bread.
the black man has a huge bag of stuff, which he probably didn't "find."

plus, it's not even by the same writer.

[siberianxkiss]

jason i thought you were smarter than that

http://www.snopes.com/photos/katrina/looters.asp

[the blues]

If you were continually judged by the color of your skin through the mass media, you may think differently. It's a VERY big deal, your denial doesn't make it ok. oh please tate. the fact of the matter is that 80% of those people were living in poverty before this whole katrina incident. what kind of people resort to raping and pillaging, not to mention SHOOTING POLICE OFFICERS and HELICOPTERS trying to SAVE them. this is not a race issue, so you and the rest of the bush-haters can stop pointing fingers and accept the fact that this whole situtation is only as bad as it is because of the people who made it that way. Free market caputalism is not the same as fair-market communism.

when did this site become www.absolutehategeorgebush.net? (http://www.absolutehategeorgebushandtherep ublicanparty.net?) oh wait, probably after all those sweet "rock against bush" cds came out.

[CLoach]

also it is two different news stations reporting the looting and finding. if ap said the black person was looting and the white person was finding then ap would be racist. but thats not how it is. as justin timberlake would say, cry me a river...

[PornoPoliceman]

racism in the south?? get right outta town!!

[fm8418]

old news, stop posting this shit

[mulletsrfunny]

We spent a whole lecture period talking about this in one of my journalism classes, well this and whether the word "refuge" is appropriate for the hurricane evacuees.

I think it's bullcrap.

[CLoach]

jason i thought you were smarter than that

http://www.snopes.com/photos/katrina/looters.asp


amen buddy...

[drumiffied]

i didnt notice what "cloach" said. the top guy has a HUGE back of stuff which is obviously taking advantage of the situation, but the bottom two only have bread which is a necessity. i DO AGREE with Jason though, i find the wording wierd, im sure they didnt "find" teh bread, the matter is that they still stole it, but both things were for different causes. so even though theres a difference between the two which is not their skin color, i still think its kinda weird, but no reason to freak out and yell at tate.

[RegularMax]

i'm so sick of seeing that.
it's not that big of a deal.
Good fucking call man. Seriously, it's been done, Bill Maher did it, Leno said it, and so did Jon Stewart. It's played out. Noone cares anymore, and it has nothing to do with music.

[Jason Tate]

oh please tate. the fact of the matter is that 80% of those people were living in poverty before this whole katrina incident. what kind of people resort to raping and pillaging, not to mention SHOOTING POLICE OFFICERS and HELICOPTERS trying to SAVE them. this is not a race issue, so you and the rest of the bush-haters can stop pointing fingers and accept the fact that this whole situtation is only as bad as it is because of the people who made it that way. Free market caputalism is not the same as fair-market communism.

when did this site become www.absolutehategeorgebush.net? (http://www.absolutehategeorgebushandtherep ublicanparty.net?) oh wait, probably after all those sweet "rock against bush" cds came out.
Wow. Ignorance comes out in droves when the truth of racism is unveiled.

amen buddy...
Did you even read the snopes article? Hahaha..

[8:17am]

wow if you are taking bread and water that is looting that is trying to stay alive. when you take 20 pairs of nikes thats looting. sure both of them are looting but one you are trying to live the other one you are just being a dumb ass...
i don't give a shit what anyone of any color took from anyone else. if it helped them survive, great. and i seriously doubt someone stole 20 pairs of nikes. that was a bigoted comment.

[Jason Tate]

old news, stop posting this shitIf you don't like it, here's the solution to remove my posts: Click the little X in the upper right hand corner of your web-browser.

oh please tate. the fact of the matter is that 80% of those people were living in poverty before this whole katrina incident. what kind of people resort to raping and pillaging, not to mention SHOOTING POLICE OFFICERS and HELICOPTERS trying to SAVE them. this is not a race issue, so you and the rest of the bush-haters can stop pointing fingers and accept the fact that this whole situtation is only as bad as it is because of the people who made it that way. Free market caputalism is not the same as fair-market communism.

when did this site become www.absolutehategeorgebush.net? (http://www.absolutehategeorgebushandtherep ublicanparty.net/?) oh wait, probably after all those sweet "rock against bush" cds came out.The Sublime song about the LA riots comes to mind right now ... and for people "defending" this - I think I'd like you to come hang out roughly 25-30 minutes from my apartment for a night. Seriously. I almost want it so much that I'd pay for the fucking flight.

[siberianxkiss]

the media does not care about black people

what was so terrible about the snopes article?

[Jason Tate]

the media does not care about black people

what was so terrible about the snopes article?
Nothing, it just showcased how it was true ..

[the blues]

Wow. Ignorance comes out in droves when the truth of racism is unveiled.


Did you even read the snopes article? Hahaha..
either leave the liberal bullshit at home and keep this site strictly music related, or comeback with a satifactory rebuttal in which you actually respond to my criticism. My point was that it is hard to sympathize with someone who has lost their home and everything they've ever owned when they are breaking into walmart and stealing dvd players and 10 pairs of nike dunks. In white class middle america, there would NOT be mass anarchsim in which children were raped, police officers were killed, and the sick and elderly were left to fend for themselves. We are dealing with a predominately low class african american demographic here. This isnt fox news oppresing the black man, the photographs are proof.

[waggy]

i don't give a shit what anyone of any color took from anyone else. if it helped them survive, great. and i seriously doubt someone stole 20 pairs of nikes. that was a bigoted comment.

i don't know about nikes specifically, but i've seen plenty of images on the news of people carrying 10 pairs of jeans or dvd players. although to play devil's advocate i'm sure most people were only taking food and a few people saw them walking out with stuff and thought "hey now i can get that x-box i wanted". so while i wouldn't call everything that's going on down there "looting", there is definitely some looting happening.

[siberianxkiss]

umm no

did you even read it, and what the photographers wrote? sorry i dont think theres this big media bias against black people. completely blown out of proportion by some internet idiots.

[the blues]

If you don't like it, here's the solution to remove my posts: Click the little X in the upper right hand corner of your web-browser.

The Sublime song about the LA riots comes to mind right now ... and for people "defending" this - I think I'd like you to come hang out roughly 25-30 minutes from my apartment for a night. Seriously. I almost want it so much that I'd pay for the fucking flight.
now you are threatening me with violence. brilliant

[Jason Tate]

either leave the liberal bullshit at home and keep this site strictly music related, or comeback with a satifactory rebuttal in which you actually respond to my criticism. My point was that it is hard to sympathize with someone who has lost their home and everything they've ever owned when they are breaking into walmart and stealing dvd players and 10 pairs of nike dunks. In white class middle america, there would NOT be mass anarchsim in which children were raped, police officers were killed, and the sick and elderly were left to fend for themselves. We are dealing with a predominately low class african american demographic here. This isnt fox news oppresing the black man, the photographs are proof.
First, AP is my home. Seriously.

Second, it's hard to argue actual points with a racist biggot. Are you out of your FUCKING MIND with the shit you just said? Racism and homophobia are two of the only things I get so worked up over, I want to punch people in the face. Poverty (REGARDLESS OF FUCKING RACE) leads to desperate situations and looting. Don't for a mother fucking second tell me it's due to their race. Prick.

I'm curious how you're all of a sudden an expert on what's being stolen, where, by whom. It's quite obvious that you have your mind made up from whatever "news" you're watching. Go suck on Trent Lott's cock for a while ... you make me sick.

now you are threatening me with violence. brilliant
25-30 minutes from my apartment is the upper-upper-class parts of California. Thanks for walking into my trap of how you've made up your mind about things with fucking lame ass stereotypes based on SHIT you assume and don't know.

umm no

did you even read it, and what the photographers wrote? sorry i dont think theres this big media bias against black people. completely blown out of proportion by some internet idiots.
And completely denied by others.

[aminorthreat55]

Real Time With Bill Maher anyone?

Oh, and it is a big deal.
Yes and yes.

[albatrossxivy]

who cares

[Jason Tate]

Sublime - April 29th, 1992

(I don't know if you can, but can you get an order for Ons, that's O-N-S,
Junior Market, the address is 1934 East Anaheim, all the windows are
busted out,... if he wants to)

April 26th, 1992
There was a riot on the streets
Tell me where were you?
You were sittin' home watchin' your TV
While I was participating in some anarchy
First spot we hit it was my liquor store
I finally got all that alcohol I can't afford
With red lights flashin', time to retire
And then we turned that liquor store into a structure fire
Next stop we hit, it was the music shop,
It only took one brick to make the window drop
Finally we got our own P.A.
Where do you think I got this guitar that you're hearing today?

(Call fire... respond mobil station. alamidos in anaheim, its uhh flaming up good...)

When we returned to the pad to unload everything
It dawned on me that I need new home furnishings
So once again we filled the van until it was full
Since that day my livin' room's been much more comfortable
Cause everybody in the hood has had it up to here
It's getting harder, and harder, and harder each and every year
Some kids went in a store with their mother
I saw her when she came out she was gettin' some Pampers
They said it was for the black man
They said it was for the mexican
But not for the white man
But if you look at the streets, it wasn't about Rodney King
It's this fucked-up situation and these fucked-up police
It's about comin' up and stayin' on top
And screamin' 1-8-7 on a mother fuckin' cop
It's ain't in the paper, it's on the wall
National guard
Smoke from all around

(Units be advised of an attempt 211 to arrest now at 938 Temple, 9-3-8
Temple, many subjects with bats trying to get inside the CB's
house...they're trying to kill him)

Cuz' as long as I'm alive, I'ma live illegal

Let it burn
Wanna let it burn, wanna let it burn
Wanna wanna let it burn
(I feel insane)
Riots on the streets of Miami
Whoa, riots on the streets of Chicago
On the streets of Long Beach
In San Francisco
Riots on the streets of Kansas City
Tuskaloosa, Alabama
Cleveland, Ohio
Fountain Valley, Paramount, Vista Buelle
Eugene, Oregon
Eureka, California
Hesperia
Santa Barbara
mother fuckin' Nevada
Phoenix, Arizona
San Diego
Lakeland, Florida
fuckin' 29 Palms

(Need a unit to... structure fire and numerous subjects looting)
(10-15 to get rid of this looter)

who cares
You (should).

[THICKREX]

images are from 2 different news organizations, AP & AFP (France). I agree though that It would be decidedly racist if they were the same. Telling none the less.

[the blues]

First, AP is my home. Seriously.

Second, it's hard to argue actual points with a racist biggot. Are you out of your FUCKING MIND with the shit you just said? Racism and homophobia are two of the only things I get so worked up over, I want to punch people in the face. Poverty (REGARDLESS OF FUCKING RACE) leads to desperate situations and looting. Don't for a mother fucking second tell me it's due to their race. Prick.

I'm curious how you're all of a sudden an expert on what's being stolen, where, by whom. It's quite obvious that you have your mind made up from whatever "news" you're watching. Go suck on Trent Lott's cock for a while ... you make me sick.
Um, calm down mr. cranky pants. I'm not racist at all. I have friends of all races and ethnicities. I'm not the white version of kayne west sitting here telling you I don't care about black people. My point about the people living there is not opinion but fact. 1. 80% of the people there are living below the poverty level. and 2. a majority of the worst hit areas were inhabited by african americans. For all i care it could have been green martians living there. As long as they were just as poor and hopeless, the same result may have occored.

And the "expert" comment you made. Well, I've been following the news coverage heavily on this from multiple sources (FOX excluded) and have been asked to speak on the issue at local colleges in my area. I would say that makes me just a bit more qualified then your average run of the mill AP.net punkrawkd00d.

Smile! its free.

[siberianxkiss]

by who?

You, me and the rest of the internet was not there. the only person was the photographer therefore he is the only one who should be able to comment on it. I consider myself pretty liberal, but jesus christ what a little thing to blow completely out of proportion. Anyone fixated on this is an idiot. Fuck Kanye West

[Ruggiero2oo8]

stuff like this just pisses me off.

[the blues]

the sublime song reference is really cute and all but that is really just one DEAD heroin addicts version of a incident in which he may or may have not been a spectator too.

[Jason Tate]

Um, calm down mr. cranky pants. I'm not racist at all. I have friends of all races and ethnicities. I'm not the white version of kayne west sitting here telling you I don't care about black people. My point about the people living there is not opinion but fact. 1. 80% of the people there are living below the poverty level. and 2. a majority of the worst hit areas were inhabited by african americans. For all i care it could have been green martians living there. As long as they were just as poor and hopeless, the same result may have occored.

And the "expert" comment you made. Well, I've been following the news coverage heavily on this from multiple sources (FOX excluded) and have been asked to speak on the issue at local colleges in my area. I would say that makes me just a bit more qualified then your average run of the mill AP.net punkrawkd00d.

Smile! its free.
If I ever heard you say one of things you did before in person at a local college, I'd punch you in the face after your "speech." You completely backtracked all your previous statements in this post, which was nice to see; and you moved towards what I was saying to begin with: It's poverty that leads to these desperate acts ... not race.

[jfb392]

Really?
What the fuck, that's plain and simple: not right.
I'm moving to Canada, maybe they have more respect.

[Jason Tate]

by who?

You, me and the rest of the internet was not there. the only person was the photographer therefore he is the only one who should be able to comment on it. I consider myself pretty liberal, but jesus christ what a little thing to blow completely out of proportion. Anyone fixated on this is an idiot. Fuck Kanye WestThis single "picture" page thing .. isn't where the issue is; it's a means to an end to bring up discussion on this ugly ass racism that continues in America. Turn on the news it's everywhere.
Fuck George Bush.

[Jason Tate]

the sublime song reference is really cute and all but that is really just one DEAD heroin addicts version of a incident in which he may or may have not been a spectator too.
Back to spouting dumb-ass comments without knowing facts? Well done.

:appl:

[Stereo Therapy]

heres my opinion... if you use race in any way but to describe someones appearance then that is racism... not to an extreme by any stretch but it is still fucking racism. blacks and whites are no different besides the color of their skin and besides that each person is an individual, even if they are HEAVILY influenced by another... anyone that uses race as a means other than discription is either misunderstanding or an asshole. thats very obvious and everyone here knows it but im sick of hearing about race as if we're still living in fucking 1950

[the blues]

If I ever heard you say one of things you did before in person at a local college, I'd punch you in the face after your "speech." You completely backtracked all your previous statements in this post, which was nice to see; and you moved towards what I was saying to begin with: It's poverty that leads to these desperate acts ... not race.
I will no longer debate with someone who threatens me with physical harm. That is childish. If you cannot have a civilized debate like a normal human being then you should keep your cute little utopian ideology to yourself. I bid you goodday sir.

[splitsecond]

My name is Jason Tate, and I am 10 days behind. :blah:

[siberianxkiss]

If I ever heard you say one of things you did before in person at a local college, I'd punch you in the face after your "speech." You completely backtracked all your previous statements in this post, which was nice to see; and you moved towards what I was saying to begin with: It's poverty that leads to these desperate acts ... not race.

Poverty is a bullshit way to justify acts. There were plenty of other people in the same financial position who do not engage in these behaviors. Is it race? No. It's the overall shittyness, for lack of a better word, of human nature. I hate that lame ass excuse.

[Jason Tate]

I will no longer debate with someone who threatens me with physical harm. That is childish. If you cannot have a civilized debate like a normal human being then you should keep your cute little utopian ideology to yourself. I bid you goodday sir.
You weren't debating anyways; you were putting a sheet on your head, cutting eye holes, and spouting your mouth off on the internet.

[the blues]

Fuck George Bush.
Typical. You should hang out with the d00ds from good charlotte.

[Jason Tate]

Poverty is a bullshit way to justify acts. There were plenty of other people in the same financial position who do not engage in these behaviors. Is it race? No. It's the overall shittyness, for lack of a better word, of human nature. I hate that lame ass excuse.
Show me a starving man, regardless of race, who won't steal for food - and I'll show you his grave.

Typical. You should hang out with the d00ds from good charlotte.
I do. What's that have to do with anything. I thought you had a Klan meeting to get to, why are you still here?

My name is Jason Tate, and I am 10 days behind. :blah:
I was moving for the past 10 days :( .. I still don't have my TV hooked up. Haha. Sorry.`

[the blues]

You weren't debating anyways; you were putting a sheet on your head, cutting eye holes, and spouting your mouth off on the internet.
It was in fact a debate. I was provide opposing reasons for your unjustified conclusions. You then threated to "punch" me and resorted to calling me a sexy "biggot" and a "homophobe."

The internet is a very strange place. Even Mr.Tate himself can threaten people via this electronic world wide web.

[Jason Tate]

It was in fact a debate. I was provide opposing reasons for your unjustified conclusions. You then threated to "punch" me and resorted to calling me a sexy "biggot" and a "homophobe."

The internet is a very strange place. Even Mr.Tate himself can threaten people via this electronic world wide web.
I said, based on a hypothetical situation, I would hit you in the face. If you can't see the difference between that and, "I will fucking kill you;" then you're dumber than even your previous posts have shown.

And "they're black... they loot" is not a "opposing reason," it's a biggotry infested statement.

[YourLatestVicti]

i don't give a shit what anyone of any color took from anyone else. if it helped them survive, great. and i seriously doubt someone stole 20 pairs of nikes. that was a bigoted comment.
I've seen pictures on the NY Times website with people stealing four pairs of Nike's and others stealing as many Deuce McCallister jersey's as they could hold so it has/was happening. As for this picture it's two different news agencies so I don't think it's that big of a deal.

[Jason Tate]

I've seen pictures on the NY Times website with people stealing four pairs of Nike's and others stealing as many Deuce McCallister jersey's as they could hold so it has/was happening. As for this picture it's two different news agencies so I don't think it's that big of a deal.I've seen pictures of a Texan ordering what turns out to be the murder of Iraq children. What's your point? It's not right for the news to focus AT ALL on this sort of bullshit. Every second wasted on "looting by the colored folks" is a second they should be asking for donations and money. Period.

[the blues]

I said, based on a hypothetical situation, I would hit you in the face. If you can't see the difference between that and, "I will fucking kill you;" then you're dumber than even your previous posts have shown.
Tate = 0
theblues = 1

how about we talk about Roe v Wade or Planned Parenthood v. Casey? Are you going to threaten to rip out my reproductive orgrans if I tell you i support these decisions? Everyone step back. Mr Tate is about to have a hissy fit.

[cheeruptheEmo]

alot of all this is so stupid...i don't get why people have to be racist or claim other people are when they aren't...or any racist crap...

[when 4ever ends]

racism has been around forever and there will always be racism.

there really isnt any point to this..

[Jason Tate]

Tate = 0
theblues = 1

how about we talk about Roe v Wade or Planned Parenthood v. Casey? Are you going to threaten to rip out my reproductive orgrans if I tell you i support these decisions? Everyone step back. Mr Tate is about to have a hissy fit.
We're self-imposing scores now?

Jason Tate = 90
San Antonio Spurs = 82

I win the Championship!

Relax turbo, it's a Dane Cook reference.

[aminorthreat55]

Tate = 0
theblues = 1
More proof that you're not actually listening to his argument but that you're so convinced you're correct without listening to anyone else's logic or way of thinking. Take your fingers out of your ears and listen to him.

[Jason Tate]

racism has been around forever and there will always be racism.

there really isnt any point to this..
As long as the common belief is that "racism will always exist" it allows the idea of racism to continue to fester in the underbelly of our society. Once we get it through our heads that NO, it does NOT always have to exist - then we can work at removing this disease from America.

[forgetevth]

"Quote:
Originally Posted by YourLatestVicti
I've seen pictures on the NY Times website with people stealing four pairs of Nike's and others stealing as many Deuce McCallister jersey's as they could hold so it has/was happening. As for this picture it's two different news agencies so I don't think it's that big of a deal.


I've seen pictures of a Texan ordering what turns out to be the murder of Iraq children. What's your point?"

he jumped to a factual conclusion. tate you jumped to one that is based in theories and id like you to provide pictures with bush holding a gun, bomb, knife, driving a tank, dropping a bomb on an iraqi child. OR provide pictures of bush signing a declaration of war on iraqi children. the fact is that never actually happend. yah iraqi children were killed due to the iragi war, but guess what? millions more were killed due to saddam being in power.

[aminorthreat55]

As long as the common belief is that "racism will always exist" it allows the idea of racism to continue to fester in the underbelly of our society. Once we get it through our heads that NO, it does NOT always have to exist - then we can work at removing this disease from America.
Well said.

[sweethypocrisy]

theblues, i am not tates biggest fan but you are so full of yourself its sickening..you are probably smelling your own socks right now.

[forgetevth]

tate nice job editing your post, covering your replies that you realize to be very ignorant?

[Jason Tate]

"Quote:
Originally Posted by YourLatestVicti
I've seen pictures on the NY Times website with people stealing four pairs of Nike's and others stealing as many Deuce McCallister jersey's as they could hold so it has/was happening. As for this picture it's two different news agencies so I don't think it's that big of a deal.


I've seen pictures of a Texan ordering what turns out to be the murder of Iraq children. What's your point?"

he jumped to a factual conclusion. tate you jumped to one that is based in theories and id like you to provide pictures with bush holding a gun, bomb, knife, driving a tank, dropping a bomb on an iraqi child. OR provide pictures of bush signing a declaration of war on iraqi children. the fact is that never actually happend. yah iraqi children were killed due to the iragi war, but guess what? millions more were killed due to saddam being in power.I was being an ass .. I didn't mean exactly how I said it; it was to showcase the dramatic appeal pictures have (and how they sometimes lie and don't showcase the entire truth/situation). Yes, Iraq is better with Saddam out of power. America however, is not. I'm a crazy isolationist and think we should focus domestically before we start policiing the world.

[Jason Tate]

tate nice job editing your post, covering your replies that you realize to be very ignorant?What? I haven't edited a single post. It's set up so that people can see when I edit things.

[the blues]

theblues, i am not tates biggest fan but you are so full of yourself its sickening..you are probably smelling your own socks right now.
after im done ill put them on ebay. care to make me an offer.

[forgetevth]

my mistake you added to the one i quoted. sorry

[the blues]

I was being an ass .. I didn't mean it. Yes, Iraq is better with Saddam out of power. America however, is not. I'm a crazy isolationist and think we should focus domestically before we start policiing the world.
Isolationism sounds like a good idea. Let them keep flying planes into buildings while the streets run red with innocent americans blood. They will just get bored of it and stop eventually right?

[sweethypocrisy]

after im done ill put them on ebay. care to make me an offer.
10 bucks.

[jawkneephighv]

Hello 2 weeks old news!

[Jason Tate]

Isolationism sounds like a good idea. Let them keep flying planes into buildings while the streets run red with innocent americans blood. They will just get bored of it and stop eventually right?
Wait, this all started with them flying planes into our buildings? Hah. Turn back a few pages in your history book, you'll get to the answer in a few more chapters.

Hello 2 weeks old news!
I heard Britney Spears had a kid too! I'm out of the loop, moving sucks!

[GAD_guy]

totally racist, but this has been around FOREVER. i saw this literally over a week ago. and those who thought that fucking worthless mind of mencia show was the first place to have it, think again. they were a week behind as well.

[aminorthreat55]

Wait, this all started with them flying planes into our buildings? Hah. Turn back a few pages in your history book, you'll get to the answer in a few more chapters.
Not to mention the fact that if we focused on ourselves a little bit more we could've solved the problems before the weakness was exposed on September 11th.

[Jason Tate]

totally racist, but this has been around FOREVER. i saw this literally over a week ago. and those who thought that fucking worthless mind of mencia show was the first place to have it, think again. they were a week behind as well.
That show bugs me too ...

/we agree on something, WOAH.

[jawkneephighv]

Wait, this all started with them flying planes into our buildings? Hah. Turn back a few pages in your history book, you'll get to the answer in a few more chapters.


I heard Britney Spears had a kid too! I'm out of the loop, moving sucks!You moved? To where, a cave? No seriously, I noticed you were gone but how come? I missed the Tate.

[8:17am]

Isolationism sounds like a good idea. Let them keep flying planes into buildings while the streets run red with innocent americans blood. They will just get bored of it and stop eventually right?
you're a dick. sadam had no connections to the 9/11 attacks. post proof of one connection, and i will not make another comment on this or any subject relating to the bush administration.

[forgetevth]

i thought i remember bush or one of the heads in the recovery say right after things got bad that looting for food was not at all considered breaking the law. regardless i think its acceptable. but the reporters/photographers used very bad word choice in the photos.

[Stereo Therapy]

Isolationism sounds like a good idea. Let them keep flying planes into buildings while the streets run red with innocent americans blood. They will just get bored of it and stop eventually right?o shut the fuck up. yes we had to deal with the situation after 9/11 because we were attacked BUT we do not need to hunt every possible subject in an effort to save the world... we are neither popular enough among other countries nor powerful enough to save the world and now in addition to helping others (though thats up for some debate) we are putting ourselves in further danger

o and what makes innocent american blood so much more important than innocent iraqi blood

[Jason Tate]

You moved? To where, a cave? No seriously, I noticed you were gone but how come? I missed the Tate.
Moved from Oregon down to Cali. My apartment's not even all set up yet ... as I said, I have no TV; and JUST got my computers working again.

[aminorthreat55]

you're a dick. sadam had no connections to the 9/11 attacks. post proof of one connection, and i will not make another comment on this or any subject relating to the bush administration.
Didn't Osama call Saddam an "infidel pig" or something along those lines? I'm pretty sure the two despised each other.

[8:17am]

Didn't Osama call Saddam an "infidel pig" or something along those lines? I'm pretty sure the two despised each other.
he said something like that.

[GAD_guy]

That show bugs me too ...

/we agree on something, WOAH.

we agree on a lot more than you think. racism and homophobia are pretty much the two things that piss me off more than anything else as well. this entire semester i have a class which is entirely dedeicated to the writing of a 30 page paper on why same sex marriage should be legalized.

i also hate people who think that pointing out racism and homophobia is liberal propaganda.

[Frank Giaramita]

Wouldn't looting be "finding" something on propety that is owned by someone (making the product owned)? As opposed to "finding" someting, which means coming across something that shows no sign of ownership. Maybe the african american went into a privately owned grocery store and took something from it, as opposed to the other people who happened to find bread and food floating in the middle of a public un-owned street or piece of property?

[s.deel.besonym]

Does this (http://albinoblacksheep.com/image/racistnews) seem weird to anyone else?
Old news =X

[jawkneephighv]

Moved from Oregon down to Cali. My apartment's not even all set up yet ... as I said, I have no TV; and JUST got my computers working again.Holy shit, you're 6 1/2 hours from me!

On topic, I'm not surprised with those 2 pictures from the media but at the same time, it's still not acceptable and I'm still pissed.

[kissbangkill]

we agree on a lot more than you think. racism and homophobia are pretty much the two things that piss me off more than anything else as well. this entire semester i have a class which is entirely dedeicated to the writing of a 30 page paper on why same sex marriage should be legalized.

i also hate people who think that pointing out racism and homophobia is liberal propaganda.

i love you for that.

[8:17am]

Wouldn't looting be "finding" something on propety that is owned by someone (making the product owned)? As opposed to "finding" someting, which means coming across something that shows no sign of ownership. Maybe the african american went into a privately owned grocery store and took something from it, as opposed to the other people who happened to find bread and food floating in the middle of a public un-owned street or piece of property?
valid point, there is a distinction. but it seems that the distinction, as far as the majority of the media is considerned, is if a white dude does it, it's finding. if a black dude does it, it's looting...

i feel that there is only one solution to this problem...

John Stewart for President..2008

[CrucifiedHeart]

looks like I skipped more drama than All of My Children but whatever, I'm responding in regards to the initial topic

I saw the juxtaposed articles last week, I think its fucked up. It is. Its the same goddamn photograph but the color of the person changes the context according to the articles.

whoever said that if this happened in a white suburban community none of the looting and stuff would happen, are you on crack???

Its true that there is much ugliness going on down there brought about by themselves.
It is also true that it has taken an ABSURD time to send help down there.

No matter what political stance you have or what color you are,
leaving Americans out to die for this long is beyond fucked up.

I guess I'll post some articles and submit them to help articulate the situation.

[Scott Weber]

I would just like to say that if I was hungry, I'd sure as hell loot to eat. Hell, I'd steal all kinds of shit that I could sell to help recoup my losses after everything post-Katrina gets settled down.

Jason, you've had the same Yellowcard song in your signature for like 7 days now. Is it not working?

[lostntheseethru]

Wouldn't looting be "finding" something on propety that is owned by someone (making the product owned)? As opposed to "finding" someting, which means coming across something that shows no sign of ownership. Maybe the african american went into a privately owned grocery store and took something from it, as opposed to the other people who happened to find bread and food floating in the middle of a public un-owned street or piece of property?


im gonna guess thats streching it a bit....but it is a good idea.

[Jason Tate]

Wouldn't looting be "finding" something on propety that is owned by someone (making the product owned)? As opposed to "finding" someting, which means coming across something that shows no sign of ownership. Maybe the african american went into a privately owned grocery store and took something from it, as opposed to the other people who happened to find bread and food floating in the middle of a public un-owned street or piece of property?Slightly on topic: I need to "find" a new computer monitor.

Frank, where you been? We haven't talked in ages dude.

valid point, there is a distinction. but it seems that the distinction, as far as the majority of the media is considerned, is if a white dude does it, it's finding. if a black dude does it, it's looting...

i feel that there is only one solution to this problem...

John Stewart for President..2008I second that.

I would just like to say that if I was hungry, I'd sure as hell loot to eat. Hell, I'd steal all kinds of shit that I could sell to help recoup my losses after everything post-Katrina gets settled down.

Jason, you've had the same Yellowcard song in your signature for like 7 days now. Is it not working?The computer I have with iTunes on it isn't set up yet. I feel lame.

(Really listening to new Thrice).

[GAD_guy]

Wouldn't looting be "finding" something on propety that is owned by someone (making the product owned)? As opposed to "finding" someting, which means coming across something that shows no sign of ownership. Maybe the african american went into a privately owned grocery store and took something from it, as opposed to the other people who happened to find bread and food floating in the middle of a public un-owned street or piece of property?

you're missing the point entirely. yes there is a chance that they really DID find it, and the african-american dude really did loot. but it's the fact that the ASSUMPTION was made without even a second thought. i don't even blame the one guy responsible for writing captions, it's our society. we were raised to feel this way. the media (among other things) teaches us that those with a different skin color are differnt from us. in reality, it is mere a self-fufilling prophecy. we think they will act differently, so in our minds we interpret their actions to fufill that image we have of them. and since they are expected to act deviantly and fufill this stereotype, they see no other option but to do so.

[Jason Tate]

you're missing the point entirely. yes there is a chance that they really DID find it, and the african-american dude really did loot. but it's the fact that the ASSUMPTION was made without even a second thought. i don't even blame the one guy responsible for writing captions, it's our society. we were raised to feel this way. the media (among other things) teaches us that those with a different skin color are differnt from us. in reality, it is mere a self-fufilling prophecy. we think they will act differently, so in our minds we interpret their actions to fufill that image we have of them. and since they are expected to act deviantly and fufill this stereotype, they see no other option but to do so.That's exactly what I was trying to say. You said it SO much better than I could, and I wish I would have written it.

Well done, have a billion scene points.

Haha.

[8:17am]

I second that..
word

[jawkneephighv]

I would just like to say that if I was hungry, I'd sure as hell loot to eat. Hell, I'd steal all kinds of shit that I could sell to help recoup my losses after everything post-Katrina gets settled down.

Jason, you've had the same Yellowcard song in your signature for like 7 days now. Is it not working?That's not the point [is it?]. Of course you should be able to loot if you have to -- what other choice do you have in that situation? I'm just pissed on how the media exposes it sometimes. It's one thing if you're stealing a shitload of TVs and another thing if you're stealing bags of chips.

[Scott Weber]

Slightly on topic: I need to "find" a new computer monitor.

Frank, where you been? We haven't talked in ages dude.

I second that.

The computer I have with iTunes on it isn't set up yet. I feel lame.

(Really listening to new Thrice).
sure, i bet you've had that same song on repeat for a week now.

[siberianxkiss]

this news post was pretty pointless

lets talk about how bush needed a potty break instead!
http://news.yahoo.com/news?tmpl=story&u=/050914/ids_photos_ts/r2587077477.jpg#gooderhead

[thewebguy]

Does this (http://albinoblacksheep.com/image/racistnews) seem weird to anyone else?
1. bout a week and a half late on that one

2. it's not a big deal - think about it, 2 different people probably made those posts, anything could have affected it. none of us know the color or race or anything else about the people who reported this stuff.

3. it IS a big deal that there has been no further clarification by rueters, or perhaps a change in the captions to make them say the same thing.

[Scott Weber]

That's exactly what I was trying to say. You said it SO much better than I could, and I wish I would have written it.

Well done, have a billion scene points.

Haha.
I want a billion scene points!

how's this? bush is a terrible president.

gimme gimme

[Jason Tate]

this news post was pretty pointless

lets talk about how bush needed a potty break instead!
http://news.yahoo.com/news?tmpl=story&u=/050914/ids_photos_ts/r2587077477.jpg#gooderhead
He *thinks* he needs one? What, does he have to ask to make sure? Hell, when I gotta pee, I know it. I'm confused.

[jawkneephighv]

John Stewart for President? All he does is take things out of context and make jokes about it -- the sad thing is, people credit him and take him seriously. I think he's funny sometimes -- but other times, he's just drab.

[lostntheseethru]

I would just like to say that if I was hungry, I'd sure as hell loot to eat. Hell, I'd steal all kinds of shit that I could sell to help recoup my losses after everything post-Katrina gets settled down.

Jason, you've had the same Yellowcard song in your signature for like 7 days now. Is it not working?


but as of now, everyone down there who talks on tv says their money and bank accounts are frozen...so really if you're not looting food, then its getting you no where...maybe some clothing but not a lot. so unless you grabbed all you're money before you left, you really have no way to buy anything. so trying to sell things to help yourself out isnt gonna work either. tvs arent gonna help, theres no electricity, where are you gonna put that kind of stuff living in large arenas and convention centers??? its just not really practical.

[Jason Tate]

John Stewart for President? All he does is take things out of context and make jokes about it -- the sad thing is, people credit him and take him seriously. I think he's funny sometimes -- but other times, he's just drab.
And if you've ever seen him not doing his "fake news" - he's fucking smart.

[8:17am]

John Stewart for President? All he does is take things out of context and make jokes about it -- the sad thing is, people credit him and take him seriously. I think he's funny sometimes -- but other times, he's just drab.
1. every president in the history of time has taken at least one thing out of context.
2. i was half-kidding.
3. i've never said that anything john stewart has said is 100% true. but i think he tells the truth more than our president. that, is where the problem is.

[aminorthreat55]

And if you've ever seen him not doing his "fake news" - he's fucking smart.
They call him "the smartest funny man on television".

[Scott Weber]

but as of now, everyone down there who talks on tv says their money and bank accounts are frozen...so really if you're not looting food, then its getting you no where...maybe some clothing but not a lot. so unless you grabbed all you're money before you left, you really have no way to buy anything. so trying to sell things to help yourself out isnt gonna work either. tvs arent gonna help, theres no electricity, where are you gonna put that kind of stuff living in large arenas and convention centers??? its just not really practical.
uh, I meant save that stuff and then sell it when it becomes valuable again. Thought that was pretty clear.

[ShoeSh1ne]

Like OMG this iz soooo old! Where have U been!?!?!

I just want to fit in.

[leocorrea]

wooo i don't care

[Stereo Therapy]

They call him "the smartest funny man on television".
the classic example is his fucking pwnage of crossfire

[8:17am]

And if you've ever seen him not doing his "fake news" - he's fucking smart.
like the time he went on that CNN show and made the bow tie wearing dude look stupid...but then again..he was a grown man wearing a bow tie, so he didn't have to try too hard.

[aminorthreat55]

the classic example is his fucking pwnage of crossfire
And now they "coincidentally" disappeared from CNN within a couple of months. He finally said what everyone had been thinking for so long.

[siberianxkiss]

but now tucker carlson has his own show on msnbc, bowtie and all

[CrucifiedHeart]

off topic.

and I just submitted this to the news among 43967983489673 other things.

but why wait

Dick Cheney gets told to go fuck himself!!!

Enjoy

http://gorillamask.net/cheneyfuck.shtml

[8:17am]

And now they "coincidentally" disappeared from CNN within a couple of months. He finally said what everyone had been thinking for so long.
i think my good friend mr. stewart should get a medal for that...

[Scott Weber]

but now tucker carlson has his own show on msnbc, bowtie and all
a shoe, really? does it have a pump?

[Jason Tate]

like the time he went on that CNN show and made the bow tie wearing dude look stupid...but then again..he was a grown man wearing a bow tie, so he didn't have to try too hard.
Ok, I need to get some work on the website done. Back to work.

[jawkneephighv]

1. every president in the history of time has taken at least one thing out of context.
2. i was half-kidding.
3. i've never said that anything john stewart has said is 100% true. but i think he tells the truth more than our president. that, is where the problem is. John is just another person to talk shit -- I'd love to see him be president and fuck up worse than Bush. People always say "he's doing a bad job and if I were him I'd..." but:

1) you're not him
2) you don't know what it's like to be him

therefore:

1) stfu
2) stfu

I'm not referring to you, I'm referring to people who front and think they can or someone they idolize can be president.

And I know you were kidding, but that guy just pisses me off sometimes.

[Frank Giaramita]

Maybe the photographer who took the picture pointed out to the writer, the fact there was a supermarket in the distance where the african american guy was, as opposed to the otehr people who "found" food. I don't know, I just can't really make judgement on it because I'm not too sure in which the context of the photos were taken. I mean, for all I know, the african american could've been arrested and handcuffed as soon as he reached dried land, for definitely looting, and the writer could've had this information, as opposed to us. Maybe I'm just too naive, but I hate jumping to conclusions about anything. Nonetheless, it is an interesting topic of discussion.

Jason, I've been all over the east coast with Kelsey, who was with me from August 14th-September 14th. I haven't been around at all lately, we will catch up soon.

[lostntheseethru]

uh, I meant save that stuff and then sell it when it becomes valuable again. Thought that was pretty clear.


what im saying is where are you gonna put it???? you can store that shit in the convention centers you're now living in....

[8:17am]

Dick Cheney gets told to go fuck himself!!!


it's about fucking time

[siberianxkiss]

a shoe, really? does it have a pump?

haha fixed it!!

[Jason Tate]

off topic.

and I just submitted this to the news among 43967983489673 other things.

but why wait

Dick Cheney gets told to go fuck himself!!!

Enjoy

http://gorillamask.net/cheneyfuck.shtml
taste of his own words... nice.

[SonEric84]

This might make me an asshole, but I laughed at that. hahaha

[jawkneephighv]

the classic example is his fucking pwnage of crossfirewrong. you can't pwn someone who's a walking pwn waiting to happen. those fuckers he "pwned" on crossfire are RETARDS so it kind of doesn't work out -- he just enforced the fact that they're not very bright.

i mean think about it -- he called someone a dick [i think, right?] on TV...on CNN --- wow. i guess Mayor Nagin is a hero for all the bad words he said on CNN a few weeks ago.

[Frank Giaramita]

And if you've ever seen him not doing his "fake news" - he's fucking smart.

I saw John Stewart on Oprah (yes I watch Oprah, religously) and the man is incredibly intelligent. Just because his points are mainly spoken through comedic fashions does not, by any means, mean he's unintelligent..., he just knows how to mix intelligent stances with humor.

[8:17am]

John is just another person to talk shit -- I'd love to see him be president and fuck up worse than Bush. People always say "he's doing a bad job and if I were him I'd..." but:

1) you're not him
2) you don't know what it's like to be him

therefore:

1) stfu
2) stfu

I'm not referring to you, I'm referring to people who front and think they can or someone they idolize can be president.

And I know you were kidding, but that guy just pisses me off sometimes.
seriously...i mean this in all honesty...i'm very glad i don't know what it's like to be george bush...

[jawkneephighv]

off topic.

and I just submitted this to the news among 43967983489673 other things.

but why wait

Dick Cheney gets told to go fuck himself!!!

Enjoy

http://gorillamask.net/cheneyfuck.shtml yeah, another guy who uses airtime to be a douche. i'm sure that guy's proud for making fatass, moronic democrats [double negative?] across the nation happy.

[siberianxkiss]

remember when craig kilborn hosted the daily show? it was terrible

[jawkneephighv]

remember when craig kilborn hosted the daily show? it was terribledidn't he do another late late show on another channel? or is what you're talking about what i'm thinking?

[Jason Tate]

seriously...i mean this in all honesty...i'm very glad i don't know what it's like to be george bush...
Didn't do enough drugs as a kid? Me neither .. :(

[corporeal]

i'm not reading more than 3 pages of this bullshit.

jason, how about easing up on people and stop being a militant dick? people have opinions that aren't your own, holy shit! stop trying to crusade to change them, you're not going to be able to and you'll just piss them and yourself off in the process.

also, am i the only one that noticed this/thought it hilarious?
"Racism and homophobia are two of the only things I get so worked up over (...) Go suck on Trent Lott's cock for a while ... you make me sick."

[Jason Tate]

yeah, another guy who uses airtime to be a douche. i'm sure that guy's proud for making fatass, moronic democrats [double negative?] across the nation happy.
What's that make a Republican Vice-President that said the same thing first (hence the joke)?

[siberianxkiss]

didn't he do another late late show on another channel? or is what you're talking about what i'm thinking?

he did the daily show, then left for another late night talk show and left that show too

[8:17am]

yeah, another guy who uses airtime to be a douche. i'm sure that guy's proud for making fatass, moronic democrats [double negative?] across the nation happy.
i'm sure the ratio of fatass republicans to fatass democrats is about equal. and moronic? the president is a republican. and he went to war without an exit plan...what the fuck do you call that, brilliance? i guess this whole time, we've been stuck in a fucking guinness commercial.

[Jason Tate]

i'm not reading more than 3 pages of this bullshit.

jason, how about easing up on people and stop being a militant dick? people have opinions that aren't your own, holy shit! stop trying to crusade to change them, you're not going to be able to and you'll just piss them and yourself off in the process.

also, am i the only one that noticed this/thought it hilarious?
"Racism and homophobia are two of the only things I get so worked up over (...) Go suck on Trent Lott's cock for a while ... you make me sick."Dramatic irony is lost on you.

And until I die, I will not ease up on opinions that promote hate and the crumbling of a society.

[lostntheseethru]

uh, I meant save that stuff and then sell it when it becomes valuable again. Thought that was pretty clear.


im not trying to say, your idea is stupid. or anything like that. i just mean its not the practical way to go about it. seriously, kids are hiding their teddy bears cuz people are stealing them. TEDDY BEARS what good is that gonna do you? a fucking stuffed animal that are super easy to come by...therefore i cant possibly imagine storing tvs and valuable things would be easy to do or worth even trying. thats all im getting at

[8:17am]

Didn't do enough drugs as a kid? Me neither .. :(
i also didn't dodge the draft. then again there hasn't been one for me to dodge..but still...

[jawkneephighv]

i'm not reading more than 3 pages of this bullshit.

jason, how about easing up on people and stop being a militant dick? people have opinions that aren't your own, holy shit! stop trying to crusade to change them, you're not going to be able to and you'll just piss them and yourself off in the process.

also, am i the only one that noticed this/thought it hilarious?
"Racism and homophobia are two of the only things I get so worked up over (...) Go suck on Trent Lott's cock for a while ... you make me sick."are you talking about the same jason?

[corporeal]

i'm not even going to reply to that. hey, how about responding to the first, MEANINGFUL part of the post instead of trying to pick one little bit apart and not allowing debate at all? because my opinion's not the same as yours?

edit: nevermind, you edited to include the second part.

[jawkneephighv]

i'm sure the ratio of fatass republicans to fatass democrats is about equal. and moronic? the president is a republican. and he went to war without an exit plan...what the fuck do you call that, brilliance? i guess this whole time, we've been stuck in a fucking guinness commercial.hey, i didn't say republicans were any smarter. and yeah, bush is a moron. but he's better than kerry. i'm glad i voted for bush. :thumbsup:

[8:17am]

hey, i didn't say republicans were any smarter. and yeah, bush is a moron. but he's better than kerry. i'm glad i voted for bush. :thumbsup:
okay...okay...LOOK AT THE FUCKING ECONOMY!!! take a good look at how much money bush has jacked off since taking office. are you still glad?

[corporeal]

Dramatic irony is lost on you.

And until I die, I will not ease up on opinions that promote hate and the crumbling of a society.
fuck dude, even in general. you quash opinions and try and shoot anyone down that doesn't agree with you. i know you deem yourself important, but even the people that are on your side are eventually going to resent you on the sole fact that you're close-minded as fuck.

hell, you're almost as bad as a racist!

[Jason Tate]

hey, i didn't say republicans were any smarter. and yeah, bush is a moron. but he's better than kerry. i'm glad i voted for bush. :thumbsup:
Least you got what you voted for ... a less-safe America, and a worse off society. Kerry sucked, but I'd take anything unknown against the proven Bush folly.

[jawkneephighv]

okay...okay...LOOK AT THE FUCKING ECONOMY!!! take a good look at how much money bush has jacked off since taking office. are you still glad?let's look at my LIFE, which is what matters:

i have a job.
dad has a better job than ever.
mom has a higher paying job since bush's 2nd term.
we actually moved into a much bigger house since bush took office.
my sister is in a great school.
i'm in college.
i have financial aid.

everything's fine over here.

but then again, i can't say all these things are directly related to bush's "jacked off" economy, can i?

[johnfitz55]

maybe the press saw it happen from the chopper. Its kind of hard to say with just the picture that it is racist

[jawkneephighv]

Least you got what you voted for ... a less-safe America, and a worse off society. Kerry sucked, but I'd take anything unknown against the proven Bush folly.you forgot to mention thumb-sucking democrats crying.

[Jason Tate]

okay...okay...LOOK AT THE FUCKING ECONOMY!!! take a good look at how much money bush has jacked off since taking office. are you still glad?Hey, not all things are bad: governement credit cards had their limits increased 100 fold! Come on now! O wait ....

let's look at my LIFE, which is what matters:

i have a job.
dad has a better job than ever.
mom has a higher paying job since bush's 2nd term.
we actually moved into a much bigger house since bush took office.
my sister is in a great school.
i'm in college.
i have financial aid.

everything's fine over here.

but then again, i can't say all these things are directly related to bush's "jacked off" economy, can i?Republican attitude: If I'm fine: FUCK YOU.

[jawkneephighv]

Hey, not all things are bad: governement credit cards had their limits increased 100 fold! Come on now! O wait ....


Republicans: If I'm fine: FUCK YOU.you nailed it. you win the internets.

[Jason Tate]

fuck dude, even in general. you quash opinions and try and shoot anyone down that doesn't agree with you. i know you deem yourself important, but even the people that are on your side are eventually going to resent you on the sole fact that you're close-minded as fuck.

hell, you're almost as bad as a racist!
What's worse, being opinionated and defending it ... or being opinionated and hiding behind a wave of insecurity in one's convictions.

[lostntheseethru]

fuck dude, even in general. you quash opinions and try and shoot anyone down that doesn't agree with you. i know you deem yourself important, but even the people that are on your side are eventually going to resent you on the sole fact that you're close-minded as fuck.

hell, you're almost as bad as a racist!


i dont see how you can say that. the people he does shoot down are those who bring nothing to back themselves up. its like they start out soley to disagree with with tate. i think especially in here hes brought good back up on his arguements before he starts in. yea everyone at some point makes a comment that comes across as the wrong way to say it. including jason but its not like hes doing it on purpose...like some do

[8:17am]

let's look at my LIFE, which is what matters:

i have a job.
dad has a better job than ever.
mom has a higher paying job since bush's 2nd term.
we actually moved into a much bigger house since bush took office.
my sister is in a great school.
i'm in college.
i have financial aid.

everything's fine over here.

but then again, i can't say all these things are directly related to bush's "jacked off" economy, can i?
this country, as a whole, is something close to 8 trillion dollars in debt. and i say "jacked off" because how the hell else could someone loose that much money in five years if they weren't beating it 12 of the 24 hours out of the day?

[Jason Tate]

you forgot to mention thumb-sucking democrats crying.
I'm not crying. I'm worried ... but I'm not crying.

[corporeal]

the latter, obviously.
but i don't see you defending your opinions anywhere. just a bunch of name-calling and bullshit. discretion is the better part of valor, maybe stay out of arguments/don't incite them from now on?

[8:17am]

I'm not crying. I'm worried ... but I'm not crying.
me, too...

[jawkneephighv]

this country, as a whole, is something close to 8 trillion dollars in debt. and i say "jacked off" because how the hell else could someone loose that much money in five years if they weren't beating it 12 of the 24 hours out of the day?someone? you're blaming it all on bush? you're joking right?

[johnfitz55]

tate should have worked for MTV's anti-bush campain

[I.O]

old news

[jawkneephighv]

I'm not crying. I'm worried ... but I'm not crying.and currently not listening to any music. :shake:

[Jason Tate]

the latter, obviously.
but i don't see you defending your opinions anywhere. just a bunch of name-calling and bullshit. discretion is the better part of valor, maybe stay out of arguments/don't incite them from now on?I never start them. I respond. And sometimes, I call apples, apples. The dude was a fucking card-carrying KKK member with some of the shit he said - I called him on it. You're looking for me to be what you already think I am, instead of reading what I'm actually saying.

[8:17am]

someone? you're blaming it all on bush? you're joking right?
at a time when this nation was in debt, the president approved a tax cut. he gave people money that this country DIDN'T HAVE. if he had not approved that, there would be that much less debt.

[Jason Tate]

at a time when this nation was in debt, the president approved a tax cut. he gave people money that this country DIDN'T HAVE. if he had not approved that, there would be that much less debt.
There was also that pesky "war" thing. Well, is it really a war? Did we declare it? Hmm....

[MQwhat]

jason i thought you were smarter than that

http://www.snopes.com/photos/katrina/looters.asp

This was my thoughts too when I looked at these articals. It would be one thing if both were from the same source, or the same photographer. It's was stretch to put these two together just to stoke the flames. Racism does exist, this was a poor example. BOO!

[corporeal]

I never start them. I respond. And sometimes, call apples, apples. The dude was a fucking card-carrying KKK member with some of the shit he said - I called him on it.
alright, i'll admit to you and the guy at the top of the page that a lot of the times, the insults you throw at them are deserved. you're not exactly debating with the world's top minds here, but you have to admit that when you made the ORIGINAL POST, you were looking for an outlet to throw your opinions out to.
at the same time, it's just ridiculous to try and have a civilized debate in this situation, so why throw fuel on the fire by insulting them and spurring them on?

[8:17am]

There was also that pesky "war" thing. Well, is it really a war? Did we declare it? Hmm....
yeah..that was harmful as well...but, i will say this..Iraq and Sadam did have WMDs...bush's dad sold them to him..that is a documented fact.

[jawkneephighv]

"And so I'm calling on Congress to make the tax cuts that are set to expire permanent. I would like Congress to make all tax cuts permanent. But the very minimum -- the very minimum, they need to listen to the stories up here on the stage and make those set to expire in 2005 permanent. For the sake of our economy, for the sake of American families, for the sake of small business owners, and for the sake of job creation, the tax cuts need to be permanent."
(Applause.)"

I wish I was there clapping.

[Scott Weber]

Least you got what you voted for ... a less-safe America, and a worse off society. Kerry sucked, but I'd take anything unknown against the proven Bush folly.
did you just say kerry sucked?

i think it's safe to say that Bush sucks too. haha.

[Jason Tate]

"And so I'm calling on Congress to make the tax cuts that are set to expire permanent. I would like Congress to make all tax cuts permanent. But the very minimum -- the very minimum, they need to listen to the stories up here on the stage and make those set to expire in 2005 permanent. For the sake of our economy, for the sake of American families, for the sake of small business owners, and for the sake of job creation, the tax cuts need to be permanent."
(Applause.)"

I wish I was there clapping.
Didn't ever take an economics class then.

[ubungleebin]

Racism and homophobia are two of the only things I get so worked up over, I want to punch people in the face.

dont forget that you get pretty shook up over kelly clarkson not writing her own music... thats a pretty big issue too

[8:17am]

"And so I'm calling on Congress to make the tax cuts that are set to expire permanent. I would like Congress to make all tax cuts permanent. But the very minimum -- the very minimum, they need to listen to the stories up here on the stage and make those set to expire in 2005 permanent. For the sake of our economy, for the sake of American families, for the sake of small business owners, and for the sake of job creation, the tax cuts need to be permanent."
(Applause.)"

I wish I was there clapping. how did bush, who is an ivy leauge graduate, fuck something so important up so badly? oh, yeah, his dad paid for his grades...

[jawkneephighv]

Didn't ever take an economics class then.Already did. B+.

how did bush, who is an ivy leauge graduate, fuck something so important up so badly? oh, yeah, his dad paid for his grades...Sacrifices must be made. Wah wah wah, is this gonna turn into a bitching about Bush thread because I have better things to do like scratch my ass.

[Jason Tate]

Already did. B+.

Sacrifices must be made. Wah wah wah, is this gonna turn into a bitching about Bush thread because I have better things to do like scratch my ass.
College economics class? Macro, micro ... ? You wouldn't have posted the above if you had.

Well, at least I hope you wouldn't have .. :P

[8:17am]

Already did. B+.

Sacrifices must be made. Wah wah wah, is this gonna turn into a bitching about Bush thread because I have better things to do like scratch my ass. first amendment, bitch

[jawkneephighv]

first amendment, bitchgood job, anakin.

College economics class? Macro, micro ... ? You wouldn't have posted the above if you had.

Well, at least I hope you wouldn't have .. :Phigh school. college econ i got a B-.

[KidDynamite]

some posts make me really really angry.

tate, youre right.

[corporeal]

you're german, what do you know?


...is he kidding? is he serious?

[MarsVoltafan329]

Bush's dad didn't even bother paying for his grades. He finished with a C- average and still was propped up in numerous companies which he burned to the ground. Now, hes taken America and treated it like one of his misguided, poorly managed oil businesses. Unfortunately, a lot more people are going to get hurt this time. 61 percent of America dissapprove of his job performance, apparently a lot of people who voted for him aren't getting what they bargained for when they re-elected him.

[UPPromotions]

Yes racism does exist in our society and the world as a whole. But I think using those articles is a bit of a stretch. I think that there are too many people looking to get into debates over words and not enough people trying to make a difference. For all you know, the writers of both those articles could have been black. What then? Is racism only racism if a white person says it? The majority of prominently black tv shows rely on racist comedy to draw their viewers, but no one seems to care. If a show that is prominently white even mentions race, the actors, show, and station are all called bigots. I think people need to stop being so high-minded about things and stop trying to start a war of words. Tate, you mentioned that racism and homophobia are tearing this society down. If you hadn't noticed, there is less racism and homophobia now then ever before and our society is crumbling faster than it ever has. Why? Because people take things too far. Everybody wants to cut down anyone who doesn't agree with their opinion and we now live a nation full of back-biters and people too busy making a name for themself to honestly give a damn about other people. People should be respected for their opinions, not murdered for them.

[lostntheseethru]

you're german, what do you know?


...is he kidding? is he serious?


do you know that guy?

[8:17am]

Bush's dad didn't even bother paying for his grades. He finished with a C- average and still was propped up in numerous companies which he burned to the ground. Now, hes taken America and treated it like one of his misguided, poorly managed oil businesses. Unfortunately, a lot more people are going to get hurt this time. 61 percent of America dissapprove of his job performance, apparently a lot of people who voted for him aren't getting what they bargained for when they re-elected him.
well put..but if i'm pretty sure bush's dad paid for his grades..anything less than a c-, would have asked for a refund.

[KidDynamite]

you're german, what do you know?


...is he kidding? is he serious?

yes i am german. but i dont care about my nationality anway. and well, i probably know more than you dude

[corporeal]

nope, i only stick around to make fun of reviewers who make liberal use of dictionary.com's synonym function, and jason's 'arguments' on issues he brings up. and to be a general asshole, of course.
so really i know no one.

edit: dude, i'd love to match wits with you, but unfortunately i don't know how to slaughter millions of jews.
...too far?

[MarsVoltafan329]

you're german, what do you know?


...is he kidding? is he serious?
thats an assanine statement. Most Europeans know more about our current events and our public officials than half of the people who voted in the 2004 election. And I love how you condemn someone who is trying to interject an outsider's perspective on the issue when we, the United States, try to interject our perspective everywhere in the world. Isn't that a bit ironic?

[jawkneephighv]

see, this is why i rarely come into these political discussions -- they all turn into a bush-hating session. for crying out loud, the icon for these things is bush. it's like asking to start shit about him. good luck bitching. adios.

thats an assanine statement. Most Europeans know more about our current events and our public officials than half of the people who voted in the 2004 election. And I love how you condemn someone who is trying to interject an outsider's perspective on the issue when we, the United States, try to interject our perspective everywhere in the world. Isn't that a bit ironic?you're kidding right? you're saying outsiders know more about what's going on in MY country based on what they read in the media?!?! HAHAHAHAHA. so in other words, they think black people loot and white people don't, right? nice one. adios for good this time.

[YourLatestVicti]

Bush's dad didn't even bother paying for his grades. He finished with a C- average and still was propped up in numerous companies which he burned to the ground. Now, hes taken America and treated it like one of his misguided, poorly managed oil businesses. Unfortunately, a lot more people are going to get hurt this time. 61 percent of America dissapprove of his job performance, apparently a lot of people who voted for him aren't getting what they bargained for when they re-elected him.
I'm not trying to say Bush is doing a good job but he got higher grades than Kerry did in college.

[KidDynamite]

thats an assanine statement. Most Europeans know more about our current events and our public officials than half of the people who voted in the 2004 election. And I love how you condemn someone who is trying to interject an outsider's perspective on the issue when we, the United States, try to interject our perspective everywhere in the world. Isn't that a bit ironic?

thx. and i dont blame the people for this lack of knowledge, i blame the media...

[lostntheseethru]

nope, i only stick around to make fun of reviewers who make liberal use of dictionary.com's synonym function, and jason's 'arguments' on issues he brings up. and to be a general asshole, of course.
so really i know no one.

edit: dude, i'd love to match wits with you, but unfortunately i don't know how to slaughter millions of jews.
...too far?


alright...well by telling the kid he knew nothing on the subject of racism because he german...yea you pretty much just made any other statement you have made in this thread invalid. because you just prove everyone whos been battling you right.

[corporeal]

you know i haven't posted anything opinion-wise in here, right?

arguing on this site is funner than race-baiting!!

[lostntheseethru]

thats an assanine statement. Most Europeans know more about our current events and our public officials than half of the people who voted in the 2004 election. And I love how you condemn someone who is trying to interject an outsider's perspective on the issue when we, the United States, try to interject our perspective everywhere in the world. Isn't that a bit ironic?


yea thats pretty much what i was trying to say it just didnt come out as good haha thanks!!

[sweethypocrisy]

thats an assanine statement. Most Europeans know more about our current events and our public officials than half of the people who voted in the 2004 election. And I love how you condemn someone who is trying to interject an outsider's perspective on the issue when we, the United States, try to interject our perspective everywhere in the world. Isn't that a bit ironic?
whats asinine is that you spelled asinine wrong

[KidDynamite]

edit: dude, i'd love to match wits with you, but unfortunately i don't know how to slaughter millions of jews.
...too far?

own goal

[Jason Tate]

I'm not trying to say Bush is doing a good job but he got higher grades than Kerry did in college.But he failed on the grade that mattered the most: keeping our nation safe.

you know i haven't posted anything opinion-wise in here, right?

arguing on this site is funner than race-baiting!!The only reason I still let you post is because you're like the "forum-jester" - everyone know's your a moran, so no one cares what you say anymore.

[YourLatestVicti]

But he failed on the grade that mattered the most: keeping our nation safe.


The only reason I still let you post is because you're like the "forum-jester" - everyone know's your a moran, so no one cares what yoy say anymore.
I'll give you that he hasn't been doing a great job, but I just wanted to point that out because his college grades always come up. But yes I agree that he doesn't well lately as President.

[Jason Tate]

I'll give you that he hasn't been doing a great job, but I just wanted to point that out because his college grades always come up. But yes I agree that he doesn't well lately as President.
Change lately, to ever, and I'll agree.

I didn't bring his grades up ... hell, my grades weren't the best in college either. Of course, I didn't get into college based on my last name .. but, maybe someday my kids will.

[corporeal]

But he failed on the grade that mattered the most: keeping our nation safe.


The only reason I still let you post is because you're like the "forum-jester" - everyone know's your a moran, so no one cares what yoy say anymore.
i'll assume the second part of your post was hurried.
anyway, i'm just a dick for the sake of being a dick. it's fun winding people on this site up, because basically you're all the same. so y'know, you don't have to keep me around or anything, Jason.

[KidDynamite]

Change lately, to ever, and I'll agree.

say word

[SePaMc]

you know, I read 46 pages on this shit last time, so fuck it. Im not reading pages, im not even reading mroe than the first 5 posts.

Yes, that kid is looting. This is not me speaking racially, this is me speaking practically. The two white people do not have 6 trash bags of stuff they are hauling back. That is surviving. Looting is taking stuff from stores simply because you can, and they have showed that on the news.

Stop trying to make this site to so goddamn political. Bush came out and said everything is his fault. This is media portrayal, and in a sense is true.

I didn't read ur post, if you didn't read mine, we're all square. So don't bitch. I didn't make you read this.

[Jason Tate]

you know, I read 46 pages on this shit last time, so fuck it. Im not reading pages, im not even reading mroe than the first 5 posts.

Yes, that kid is looting. This is not me speaking racially, this is me speaking practically. The two white people do not have 6 trash bags of stuff they are hauling back. That is surviving. Looting is taking stuff from stores simply because you can, and they have showed that on the news.

Stop trying to make this site to so goddamn political. Bush came out and said everything is his fault. This is media portrayal, and in a sense is true.

I didn't read ur post, if you didn't read mine, we're all square. So don't bitch. I didn't make you read this.Can I borrow your X-Ray vision? It'd come in handy when I'm looking for my keys. OR looking into black trash bags.

[YourLatestVicti]

Can I borrow your X-Ray vision? It'd come in handy when I'm looking for my keys. OR looking into black trash bags.
haha, that was awesome.

[jawkneephighv]

you know, I read 46 pages on this shit last time, so fuck it. Im not reading pages, im not even reading mroe than the first 5 posts.

Yes, that kid is looting. This is not me speaking racially, this is me speaking practically. The two white people do not have 6 trash bags of stuff they are hauling back. That is surviving. Looting is taking stuff from stores simply because you can, and they have showed that on the news.

Stop trying to make this site to so goddamn political. Bush came out and said everything is his fault. This is media portrayal, and in a sense is true.

I didn't read ur post, if you didn't read mine, we're all square. So don't bitch. I didn't make you read this.So you're telling me the difference is a trash bag and a backpack? What if the blackie couldn't afford it? Think of that one? Maybe the white people looted the backpacks first? Yeah, don't assume shit -- think of all the possibilities.

[Jason Tate]

you know, I read 46 pages on this shit last time, so fuck it. Im not reading pages, im not even reading mroe than the first 5 posts.

Yes, that kid is looting. This is not me speaking racially, this is me speaking practically. The two white people do not have 6 trash bags of stuff they are hauling back. That is surviving. Looting is taking stuff from stores simply because you can, and they have showed that on the news.

Stop trying to make this site to so goddamn political. Bush came out and said everything is his fault. This is media portrayal, and in a sense is true.

I didn't read ur post, if you didn't read mine, we're all square. So don't bitch. I didn't make you read this.
Can we impeach him? I mean .. if this is his fault, it's got to be worse than lying about a blow-job, right?

[YourLatestVicti]

Can we impeach him? I mean .. if this is his fault, it's got to be worse than lying about a blow-job, right?
Well he lied underoath you can't leave that out.

[8:17am]

Can we impeach him? I mean .. if this is his fault, it's got to be worse than lying about a blow-job, right?
i agree...and, dude, you can't really blame clinton for getting head from a girl other than his wife while in office..his wife is a bitch...

[sweethypocrisy]

tate posts one non music thing a day and the world stops turning. hes not trying to make this a political site, shut the fuck up.

[Jason Tate]

Well he lied underoath you can't leave that out.
If we care more about the integrity of a President who lies about sex, than one who lies about reasoning for war - I think we have our priorities mixed up.

Hell, being incompetant, slow, and just his general failure to act (unless it's vacation or smoozing) is more reason than lying underoath about some oral sex.

[lostntheseethru]

Can I borrow your X-Ray vision? It'd come in handy when I'm looking for my keys. OR looking into black trash bags.


oh come one now....i cant believe im saying this but you have to think about what he just said. there was a very obvious difference in the amount of stuff being carted around in the two pics. he was stating his opinion on that matter. i dont think he said "well that kids black sooo yea he definately took shit he didnt need"

[ShoeSh1ne]

let's look at my LIFE, which is what matters:

i have a job.
dad has a better job than ever.
mom has a higher paying job since bush's 2nd term.
we actually moved into a much bigger house since bush took office.
my sister is in a great school.
i'm in college.
i have financial aid.



You're one of the lucky ones. But then again, only your life matters, right?

[jawkneephighv]

You're one of the lucky ones. But then again, only your life matters, right?you nailed it. you win the internets.

[Jason Tate]

oh come one now....i cant believe im saying this but you have to think about what he just said. there was a very obvious difference in the amount of stuff being carted around in the two pics. he was stating his opinion on that matter. i dont think he said "well that kids black sooo yea he definately took shit he didnt need"No, because when I see the picture, I see diapers in his arms. I can therefore assume he has kids, and then I conjecture he has food for his fucking baby (maybe multiple) in the bag to keep it from getting wet. And his wife, and his brother, and his sister, and his parents. My mind doesn't jump to "basketball shirts, shoes, and rap CDs" like some of the people on this website.

[youareallfreaks]

i love black people

[no mames]

for someone who hates bush so much, you should be able relate to him in the sense that both of you take about a week to notice controversial shit is going down.

[Jason Tate]

for someone who hates bush so much, you should be able relate to him in the sense that both of you take about a week to notice controversial shit is going down.Wow, welcome to page 6.

I was moving, not like I was taking ANOTHER vacation ... :P

[jawkneephighv]

for someone who hates bush so much, you should be able relate to him in the sense that both of you take about a week to notice controversial shit is going down.you made a typo -- you meant to say mayor ray nagin. :thumbsup:

[8:17am]

for someone who hates bush so much, you should be able relate to him in the sense that both of you take about a week to notice controversial shit is going down. one runs a music website. the other runs the country...not a fair basis for comparison. one has a considerably more important job and much more responsibility.

[lostntheseethru]

No, because when I see the picture, I see diapers in his arms. I can therefore assume he has kids, and then I conjecture he has food for his fucking baby (maybe multiple) in the bag to keep it from getting wet. And his wife, and his brother, and his sister, and his parents. My mind doesn't jump to "basketball shirts, shoes, and rap CDs" like some of the people on this website.


but you also cant deny the fact that what we see constantly on the tv is them taking "basketball shirts, shoes, and rap CDs" therefore its really hard to believe that there might actually be somone trying to do good. yes this still kinda goes with what you've been saying this whole time i know this. believe me, i agree with you. but at the same time, no one but the people in those pics know what was in their bags. so you really cant say if someone wants to assume that kid is stealing they are totally wrong.

i love black people


well hello stranger :)

[Jason Tate]

but you also cant deny the fact that what we see constantly on the tv is them taking "basketball shirts, shoes, and rap CDs" therefore its really hard to believe that there might actually be somone trying to do good. yes this still kinda goes with what you've been saying this whole time i know this. believe me, i agree with you. but at the same time, no one but the people in those pics know what was in their bags. so you really cant say if someone wants to assume that kid is stealing they are totally wrong.




well hello stranger :)
And when you can explain to me the purpose of, again, and again, putting it into people's heads that "they" are taking "basketball shirts, shoes, and rap cds" - then I'll listen. Not a second of news time should be spent on crafting negative impressions of a race, when that time could be used raising money for the victims instead.

[BackInTheJox]

seriously it is a big deal, probably the only worth while thing mind of mencia has ever pointed out, but its totally bogus that theres still racist connotations today, especially in the media.

I second that. Here's some scene points,

[Drew Beringer]

Wow, those pics piss me off.

[lostntheseethru]

And when you can explain to me the purpose of, again, and again, putting it into people's heads that "they" are taking "basketball shirts, shoes, and rap cds" - then I'll listen. Not a second of news time should be spent on crafting negative impressions of a race, when that time could be used raising money for the victims instead.


im not limiting my "they" to a race. im saying "they" as in the people the media shows on the news. yes there were black people, there were white people too. as a matter of fact when i think of the looting getting out of control the image i see is of a cop cocking his gun at two white people telling them to put stuff from a hair salon they just took down...tell me, what is someone going to need from a hair salon??? im not trying to argue that those white people werent stealing but that black kid was. nor am i trying to say that either of them was doing the wrong/right thing. im just saying there are thing that the media puts into our heads and its hard for me to see that and then think thats not whats going on everywhere.

[ChiodosBros]

also it is two different news stations reporting the looting and finding. if ap said the black person was looting and the white person was finding then ap would be racist. but thats not how it is. as justin timberlake would say, cry me a river... Thank you. It's not like one person captioned both of those pictures. Two different people wrote them. Nothing to see here, Move along.

[Yankees' #1 Fan]

it was weird for about 2 seconds, 2 weeks ago when everyone else on the internet saw it.

[lostntheseethru]

it was weird for about 2 seconds, 2 weeks ago when everyone else on the internet saw it.



thanks for re-stating that for the millionth time

[Mercy Medical]

Wow, all I have to say is that is super lame.

[youareallfreaks]

i love when tate gets a little buzzed, then gets into it with users on his site.


he is the howard stern of the internet, minus the naked girls.

[jklo16]

I've seen pictures of a Texan ordering what turns out to be the murder of Iraq children. What's your point? It's not right for the news to focus AT ALL on this sort of bullshit. Every second wasted on "looting by the colored folks" is a second they should be asking for donations and money. Period.

You proved the only point needed right there. As said before, these people (black or white) were poor before Katrina. The main difference is that times got insanely more desperate in the matter of hours. I would be right along with them "looting" or "finding" food for myself and my family.

My main objection to the way everything is being covered, is that NOT ONE PERSON was speaking out about this before the hurricane. Now that disaster has hit, everyone is pointing a racist finger (whether you are white OR black) and blaming someone else for the problem. No one was helping before the hurricane....to get these people educated and jobs and OUT of poverty.

I saw on Ellen the other day Kayne West use a metaphor claiming that the government has treated blacks in LA and Mississippi, like dust swept under a counter or something. And that it was easy to ignore that the problem was there until now. My question to Kayne, is what was HE doing before this hurricane? I didn't hear of him donating money to help fight poverty or anything of the nature. Maybe i am mistaken.

Most of the leadership in the state of Louisianna is black. To say that the government didn't help because of race is idiotic and just as racist as any other comment made. When buses upon buses were not utilized and the national guard was not called in (local governments responsibilty) to enfore the MANDATORY evacuation....there in lies the problem

Instead of being a country divided ...we should unite to stop these type of natural disasters from being so deadly again. And help out a fellow american BEFORE a disaster hits. ...but what do i know?

[UPPromotions]

You proved the only point needed right there. As said before, these people (black or white) were poor before Katrina. The main difference is that times got insanely more desperate in the matter of hours. I would be right along with them "looting" or "finding" food for myself and my family.

My main objection to the way everything is being covered, is that NOT ONE PERSON was speaking out about this before the hurricane. Now that disaster has hit, everyone is pointing a racist finger (whether you are white OR black) and blaming someone else for the problem. No one was helping before the hurricane....to get these people educated and jobs and OUT of poverty.

I saw on Ellen the other day Kayne West use a metaphor claiming that the government has treated blacks in LA and Mississippi, like dust swept under a counter or something. And that it was easy to ignore that the problem was there until now. My question to Kayne, is what was HE doing before this hurricane? I didn't hear of him donating money to help fight poverty or anything of the nature. Maybe i am mistaken.

Most of the leadership in the state of Louisianna is black. To say that the government didn't help because of race is idiotic and just as racist as any other comment made. When buses upon buses were not utilized and the national guard was not called in (local governments responsibilty) to enfore the MANDATORY evacuation....there in lies the problem

Instead of being a country divided ...we should unite to stop these type of natural disasters from being so deadly again. And help out a fellow american BEFORE a disaster hits. ...but what do i know?

its sad that no one is going to comment on how intelligent of a post this is. people here seem to only want to fight with other people's opinions instead of agree when something intelligent is posted.

[heXther]

oh come on. it's all about FRAMING THE STORY. there are thousands of articles and pictures about this tragedy. Anybody can come along and use any combination of pictures together to frame a story a certain way!!!!!! just because it is a news article does not make it a %100 completely true story. the same thing happens when you quote someone and then only print half of their words to make it seem like they are saying something they are not. Let's try to be more aware and informed, don't believe everything you read even if it is coming from a "credible" news source.

[NameTakenNJ]

First, if the captions were written by the same photographer it would be wrong. So, as stated above several times, this example of racism doesn't apply because they were written by two completely separate photographers.

This thread has made me think. Here are my thoughts:

New Orleans is a predominantly black city. It also, as does most other major metropolitan areas, has a high density of impoverished people who on a day to day basis struggle to survive by any means neccesary. Now, with these two facts in mind, you can see why most of the news coverage has been dedicated to reporting on black's in New Orleans. The people left in NO during the hurricane who could not evacuate were the impoverished and as a result were left in an even more dire, extreme situation than their normal existence. In this case, stealing what is needed to survive is acceptable.

With that said, shouldn't the government have prepared or had a contigency plan to act immediately after the storm? (which would have therefore negated the neccesity to steal post-hurricane) I believe there should have been. Do I think there wasn't a plan because George Bush is a racist? Surely not. This was an extreme natural disaster. The reason these things are called disasters is because they are devastating and difficult to deal with. Now back to the topic of race.

Racism ultimately leads back to the topic of slavery. This is where racism has its roots. To those who are racists, the idea persists that the white man is stronger and smarter than the black man because three hundred years ago some white guys made some very poor decisions to keep human beings as property. Three hundred years ago this was established. Today, southern white men are almost automatically thought of as racists (i.e. why so many people think that GW is a racist) because of their ancestors decision. Is this right, is this racism? In a sense, yes. Along this line, we should discuss why some blacks feel that they are owed something by white people today?

I feel that this feeling is justified because it is slavery and subsequent segregation and rasicm that has kept some blacks from moving into a state of financial security. Now, back to New Orleans post-Katrina. Some people (black and white) stole for survival (food and water). Other's stole for personal benefit, because in a time when there is no law, it may seem reasonable for someone who lives below the poverty line to improve the prospect of their life. Is this right? No, stealing is breaking the law.

We must also not be naive and believe that only blacks were looting. Both black and white people were looting because they, as stated above, were looking to benefit in a time of chaos. Unfortnately, with the ratio of poor blacks to poor whites being as disporportionate as it is in NO, the majority of the media coverage focused on blacks who were videoed looting. Does this mean that the media is racist? No, it's simple statistics.

In the end, racism is a terrible consequence of a gross historical injustice. We, as decent human beings, should do everything possible to rid the world of injustices (political/historical/social/economic/racial). I think the one benefit of all this, will be that the topic of racism will not be forgotten.

[heXther]

and by the way, controversy is a good thing! I think it's incredible that people are so passionate about issues like this. if people didn't care about anything enough to stand up for their opinions, things would never change and therefore never have the chance to get better. a revolution would never happen if there wasn't some kind of controversy and disagreement to start it. ok Im done venting

[jklo16]

oh come on. it's all about FRAMING THE STORY. there are thousands of articles and pictures about this tragedy. Anybody can come along and use any combination of pictures together to frame a story a certain way!!!!!! just because it is a news article does not make it a %100 completely true story. the same thing happens when you quote someone and then only print half of their words to make it seem like they are saying something they are not. Let's try to be more aware and informed, don't believe everything you read even if it is coming from a "credible" news source.

As much as I generally hate the media and the way it conveys stories, in an odd sort of way I'm almost thankful for this "framing". It brought about an issue, whether you agree with it or not, and made people THINK.

To see 200+ replies to this post of people DEBATING (some intellictual some just ignorant) an issue relevent to all of us, is the light at the end of the tunnel.

I'm not at all proud of the way our nation has reacted to this with such division and hatred, but I am excited for a potential future where we think before we believe, and we talk about things more important than Who Britney married this week. Just to put an optimistic touch on everything.....

[Jason Tate]

You proved the only point needed right there. As said before, these people (black or white) were poor before Katrina. The main difference is that times got insanely more desperate in the matter of hours. I would be right along with them "looting" or "finding" food for myself and my family.

My main objection to the way everything is being covered, is that NOT ONE PERSON was speaking out about this before the hurricane. Now that disaster has hit, everyone is pointing a racist finger (whether you are white OR black) and blaming someone else for the problem. No one was helping before the hurricane....to get these people educated and jobs and OUT of poverty.

I saw on Ellen the other day Kayne West use a metaphor claiming that the government has treated blacks in LA and Mississippi, like dust swept under a counter or something. And that it was easy to ignore that the problem was there until now. My question to Kayne, is what was HE doing before this hurricane? I didn't hear of him donating money to help fight poverty or anything of the nature. Maybe i am mistaken.

Most of the leadership in the state of Louisianna is black. To say that the government didn't help because of race is idiotic and just as racist as any other comment made. When buses upon buses were not utilized and the national guard was not called in (local governments responsibilty) to enfore the MANDATORY evacuation....there in lies the problem

Instead of being a country divided ...we should unite to stop these type of natural disasters from being so deadly again. And help out a fellow american BEFORE a disaster hits. ...but what do i know?
Good post. One thing though, Kanye has given lots of money (from what I know) in the past though .. and over a million to this cause (if I remember right as well).

[bob-is-dumb]

First, AP is my home. Seriously.

Second, it's hard to argue actual points with a racist biggot. Are you out of your FUCKING MIND with the shit you just said? Racism and homophobia are two of the only things I get so worked up over, I want to punch people in the face. Poverty (REGARDLESS OF FUCKING RACE) leads to desperate situations and looting. Don't for a mother fucking second tell me it's due to their race. Prick.

I'm curious how you're all of a sudden an expert on what's being stolen, where, by whom. It's quite obvious that you have your mind made up from whatever "news" you're watching. Go suck on Trent Lott's cock for a while ... you make me sick.


25-30 minutes from my apartment is the upper-upper-class parts of California. Thanks for walking into my trap of how you've made up your mind about things with fucking lame ass stereotypes based on SHIT you assume and don't know.
And completely denied by others.


lol you set a trap man :shake:

[punkerz2003]

i think everyone should chill out.

[jklo16]

Good post. One thing though, Kanye has given lots of money (from what I know) in the past though .. and over a million to this cause (if I remember right as well).

Well, if that's the case, then I retract my statement against him. Along with being a musical mastermind, he's also a geniunly nice guy. Perhaps we should all follow suit and donate what we can afford, not only to the Hurricane survivors, but to other charities that support causes close to our hearts.

...speaking of which, i'm doing a charitable walk for heart disease and stroke tomorrow. If anyone is in Canton, Ohio....come out to the strip!

[AdamTheBomb21]

I really dont care if it was copy and pasted togeather...it still seems wrong to me. And I know plenty of white people probley stole shit too. Just me...

[NameTakenNJ]

jklo's the shit (i was a little late on reading your posts) and i'm sorry for such a long post, but i haven't been able to write on anything in a while, so i went a little overboard up there.

[jklo16]

jklo's the shit (i was a little late on reading your posts) and i'm sorry for such a long post, but i haven't been able to write on anything in a while, so i went a little overboard up there.


thank you. you are in fact the shit too, i am sure. :thumbsup:

[crayZbuzzard]

Kanye West is a moron. "George Bush doesn't care about black people." Psh. You know who doesn't care about black people?

BLACK PEOPLE.

[Cocky Caucasion]

what are we arguing about?
What is everyone trying to prove?
This argument is going no where. It's going around in circles. No one has made a difference sitting at home bitching at each other on the internet. You guys are all lame. Grow up.

This is such a shitty situation. Everyone is pointing fingers at everyone else. Racism is being implied. This is a hard time and I think things are getting blown out of proportion. It's such a dumb thing to be dwelling on when there is so much that needs to be done. I think racism is the last thing that needs to be focused on.

I think everyone needs to see what they can do too help and stop the fucking arguments. I just see this as people trying to prove a point. Who knows more than who? Who speaks for the people? Who has the most compassion towards this situation? It doesn't really matter when you don't do shit about it. Talking on the internet and calling people names doesnt really count. None of this is going to prevent racism. If you're so worried about it then fucking do something about it rather than talking on the internet.

[kittypants]

this Bush hating has got to stop.

even the very notion that Bush doesn't care about a certain race is preposterous and you all know that.

so stop with the bickering. you can blame the federal, state, and local govts for not stepping up to the plate but DO NOT put all the blame on the president.

[punkerz2003]

what are we arguing about?
What is everyone trying to prove?
This argument is going no where. It's going around in circles. No one has made a difference sitting at home bitching at each other on the internet. You guys are all lame. Grow up.

This is such a shitty situation. Everyone is pointing fingers at everyone else. Racism is being implied. This is a hard time and I think things are getting blown out of proportion. It's such a dumb thing to be dwelling on when there is so much that needs to be done. Right now I think the last thing that needs to be focused on is racism.

I think everyone needs to see what they can do too help and stop the fucking arguments. I just see this as people trying to boost their ego's. Everyone is trying to prove something. None of this is going to prevent racism. If you're so worried about it then fucking do something about it rather than talking on the internet.
i agree. but unfortunately there are more stupid arguments like this on AP.net than actual discussions of music.

[The Revisionist]

I saw that back in the day, yep yep.

[SonEric84]

Why do you people all sit here and argue about this political bullshit? It doesn't get you anywhere.

[YourLatestVicti]

Why do you people all sit here and argue about this political bullshit? It doesn't get you anywhere.
Yeah being interested in politics is a complete waste of time.

[ever so sweet20]

Real Time With Bill Maher anyone?

Oh, and it is a big deal.
beat me to it.

[johnfitz55]

at least everyone can agree that kanye is a moron

[mrgus404]

Jason Tate's a self-righteous douchebag who always reports this non-music related news about a week after it comes out. He's probably just as racist as Barbara Bush.

[johnfitz55]

hey the close minded republicans are trying to take away people's rights again. This time its sex offenders. OMG they are so 1800's.

[giantasinrobot]

oh please tate. the fact of the matter is that 80% of those people were living in poverty before this whole katrina incident. what kind of people resort to raping and pillaging, not to mention SHOOTING POLICE OFFICERS and HELICOPTERS trying to SAVE them. this is not a race issue, so you and the rest of the bush-haters can stop pointing fingers and accept the fact that this whole situtation is only as bad as it is because of the people who made it that way. Free market caputalism is not the same as fair-market communism.

when did this site become www.absolutehategeorgebush.net? (http://www.absolutehategeorgebushandtherep ublicanparty.net?) oh wait, probably after all those sweet "rock against bush" cds came out.
this kid couldnt have said it any better.

there is a difference between being stereotyped, and living a stereotype.

another thing i dont understand how people are making a NATURAL DISASTER, MOTHER NATURE... a political agenda. you got hillary clinton down there acting like she is the only one who cares about these people.... "and dont forget to vote hillary in 2008!"

its fucking bullshit. you can say all the shit you want about bush not going in there "in time". this isnt a political issue... its a fucking NATURAL DISASTER.

[automatic i am]

oh please tate. the fact of the matter is that 80% of those people were living in poverty before this whole katrina incident. what kind of people resort to raping and pillaging, not to mention SHOOTING POLICE OFFICERS and HELICOPTERS trying to SAVE them. this is not a race issue, so you and the rest of the bush-haters can stop pointing fingers and accept the fact that this whole situtation is only as bad as it is because of the people who made it that way. Free market caputalism is not the same as fair-market communism.

when did this site become www.absolutehategeorgebush.net? (http://www.absolutehategeorgebushandtherep ublicanparty.net?) oh wait, probably after all those sweet "rock against bush" cds came out.
thank you. people always play the race card because its an easy way out and its somehwere to put all the blame, seriously, i think that the ignorance of a lot of americans to the happenings in other countries is just ridiculous and a lot of people blow so many things out of proportion. yeah this is a terrible thing to have happened to the u.s. and it hurts to see so many people in the situations theyre in but think about the countries that live with this kind of stuff everyday, theres countries that have a lot less than those in no who were living in poverty and there s places that war is something they live with, the fear is always there. i love this country and i wish that all these terrible events that happened wouldnt have happened but our ignorance is just ridiculous, it reminds me of that saying "you always have to look out for #1" we take too much for granted as americans. im not saying that i dont feel terrible about the people in no, im just saying that we all need think about what being american means, and ask ourselves if its right that we just turn our heads from the things that are happening that are equally as bad in other countries. it shouldnt have to take a disaster in our own country to open our eyes to the broader picture.