It's great to be back

[Spicoli hey bud]

Yankees are back in first

To the yankee fans...bring on the love

To the haters, bring the hate...we love to be hated anyway

[mat1419]

I fucking hate the Yankees, you're not a fan if you've never had to suffer

[Spicoli hey bud]

I fucking hate the Yankees, you're not a fan if you've never had to suffergreat argument
the success of the team you root for completely nullifies your fan status

[mat1419]

great argument
the success of the team you root for completely nullifies your fan status
or vindicates it...i trust a man a lot more if he's stuck by through tough times then if he's never left the honeymoon. which is why when philadelphia wins a championship (anything), the celebration on broad street will make the last 27 yankess parades combined look tame.

[Spicoli hey bud]

or vindicates it...i trust a man a lot more if he's stuck by through tough times then if he's never left the honeymoon. which is why when philadelphia wins a championship (anything), the celebration on broad street will make the last 27 yankess parades combined look tame.I just can't understand the argument that Yankee fans are spoiled. If the Yankee's success fits your definition of spoiled, that's fine, I'm proud of that fact. But to say that I am less of a fan? That makes no sense to me. I've stuck by many teams that have struggled over my lifetime (the knicks for example, recently) and that has no affect whatsoever on my feelings towards the team as a fan. Fans are the only people in sports who are not in it for the money. Everyone else have a financial stake in the game. Fans show up hoping to see their team win. That's it. So for a fan to come and see what they hope for (a win) seems like the epitome of being a fan.

[sundaysetsashes]

spicoli is right. we've just gotten the shaft on success. in the early 90s the yankees were the worst anyhow. the past 10 years theyve been great, and thats just how sports are. dont you think cardinals fans must think the same thing about us eagles fans?

[Anton Djamoos]

Who cares if they make the playoffs? They're not going anywhere.

This year belongs to the NL.

[sundaysetsashes]

or the indians. they are so fuckin hot right now

[mat1419]

i'll just put it this way, i hate bandwagons, all of them. ever since i was a kid. i'm a fan, through and through for my teams, so it drove me nuts as a kid, and still does now to see a teams fan base comprised of fans who are just there for the winner (see Red Sox circa now). The Yankees have been that way since I was born. Are there legit Yankees fans who would be there caring through a 42-120 season? Definately...but I can't stand the team for the rest of the fan base. They're the Good Charlotte of MLB...way too easy to like. Sure there are quality fans, but the team is ruined for me by the rest of them.

[sundaysetsashes]

true but you get that from alot of teams. like the eagles, alot of girls seem to like them. not to sound sexist, but where were they when bobby hoying was QB?

[Anton Djamoos]

i'll just put it this way, i hate bandwagons, all of them. ever since i was a kid. i'm a fan, through and through for my teams, so it drove me nuts as a kid, and still does now to see a teams fan base comprised of fans who are just there for the winner (see Red Sox circa now). The Yankees have been that way since I was born. Are there legit Yankees fans who would be there caring through a 42-120 season? Definately...but I can't stand the team for the rest of the fan base. They're the Good Charlotte of MLB...way too easy to like. Sure there are quality fans, but the team is ruined for me by the rest of them.
I don't think that Good Charlotte is easy to like.

This season is pointless for me now. The Mets are going to tear it up next year. David Wright - MVP.

[selftitled85]

i'll just put it this way, i hate bandwagons, all of them. ever since i was a kid. i'm a fan, through and through for my teams, so it drove me nuts as a kid, and still does now to see a teams fan base comprised of fans who are just there for the winner (see Red Sox circa now). The Yankees have been that way since I was born. Are there legit Yankees fans who would be there caring through a 42-120 season? Definately...but I can't stand the team for the rest of the fan base. They're the Good Charlotte of MLB...way too easy to like. Sure there are quality fans, but the team is ruined for me by the rest of them.

you gotta be kidding me. i have been a yankee fan since the early nineties when the yanks still finished below 500 and hadnt made the playoffs since the early 80's. to say we have not tasted defeat is just plain nuts. last time i checked the yankees blew a 3-0 champ series lead and lost last yr. the yr before they lost to florida in 6. the yr before the angels beat them in the divisionals. the yr before arizona beat them in the world series. so quit being dumb.


the yanks have become hot right at the best time.

[Caleb Cattivera]

spicoli. your from NY your a yanks fan understandable and respectable. it's the people that live outside of new york, who are yankees fans, that kill me. if you were born there, i understand. but if you live like in california or some west coast state, there's a 99% chance you jumped on the bandwagon. now i honestly think that A-Rod is a great player...but he's a curse, dont think they Yanks will win one with him.

as for me, i'm a cardinals fan. i was born and raised in the St. Louis Metro East(illinois). my family's been season ticket holders since 1988. on a side note, i remember my first game in 88, pirates and cardinals. dont remember who won, but yeah. ive been through it all with the cards. our mid 90s teams of bernard gilkey, ray lankford, brian jordan, geronimo pena, mannnnn.

but yeah spicoli...keep being a NY fan. dont listen to people, you guys have had bad seasons...i know this. george spends ALOT of money on that team, and rightfully so, if you wanna win you gotta spend. but...my cards are takin it this year buddy ;)

[Spicoli hey bud]

george spends ALOT of money on that team, and rightfully so, if you wanna win you gotta spend. which brings me to my next point...I would have loved to wait to hear from a red sox fan before using this but here it is...

HIGHEST payroll ever for a world series champion? $120 million by none other than the Boston Red Sox
now I know the Yankees have had higher payrolls but my point is this...The Red Sox finally found a way to beat the Yanks..how? they became the yanks in a way..

http://sportsillustrated.cnn.com/2004/writers/jacob_luft/10/28/redsox.empire/index.html

[Caleb Cattivera]

which brings me to my next point...I would have loved to wait to hear from a red sox fan before using this but here it is...

HIGHEST payroll ever for a world series champion? $120 million by none other than the Boston Red Sox
now I know the Yankees have had higher payrolls but my point is this...The Red Sox finally found a way to beat the Yanks..how? they became the yanks in a way..

http://sportsillustrated.cnn.com/2004/writers/jacob_luft/10/28/redsox.empire/index.html
interesting fact. didnt know that. i love how all of these red sox fans popped up all over the country after they won. ill admit i was happy for them, becuase 86 years is a long time not to win one. if youre not from the boston or surrounding areas and your a red sox fan...shame.

[mat1419]

i love how all of these red sox fans popped up all over the country after they won. ill admit i was happy for them, becuase 86 years is a long time not to win one. if youre not from the boston or surrounding areas and your a red sox fan...shame.
that shit did get out of control at warp speed

you gotta be kidding me. i have been a yankee fan since the early nineties when the yanks still finished below 500 and hadnt made the playoffs since the early 80's. to say we have not tasted defeat is just plain nuts. last time i checked the yankees blew a 3-0 champ series lead and lost last yr. the yr before they lost to florida in 6. the yr before the angels beat them in the divisionals. the yr before arizona beat them in the world series. so quit being dumb.


the yanks have become hot right at the best time.
you're talking about losing championship games from the perspective of a team that's won almost 30 world series', a ton of pennants, and has probably made the playoffs almost half the years they've even played a game. i'm not saying losing a championship game is easy, but it's a whole fuck lot easier when you win at least a championship every decade. the pain of most yankees fan's is like a billionaire losing a couple million dollars.

[Spicoli hey bud]

you're talking about losing championship games from the perspective of a team that's won almost 30 world series', a ton of pennants, and has probably made the playoffs almost half the years they've even played a game. i'm not saying losing a championship game is easy, but it's a whole fuck lot easier when you win at least a championship every decade. the pain of most yankees fan's is like a billionaire losing a couple million dollars.If you're looking for real pain, stick a fork in your eye
Being a fan of a losing sports team isn't painful, it's discouraging, and part of being a fan of sports

[selftitled85]

which brings me to my next point...I would have loved to wait to hear from a red sox fan before using this but here it is...

HIGHEST payroll ever for a world series champion? $120 million by none other than the Boston Red Sox
now I know the Yankees have had higher payrolls but my point is this...The Red Sox finally found a way to beat the Yanks..how? they became the yanks in a way..

http://sportsillustrated.cnn.com/2004/writers/jacob_luft/10/28/redsox.empire/index.html


gotta disagree with you dude. you can live acros the country but still love a team. im also a patriots fan and i live like 6 hours away. i like them cuz they had parcells as a coach and i loved bledsoe and martin.

[Spicoli hey bud]

gotta disagree with you dude. you can live acros the country but still love a team. im also a patriots fan and i live like 6 hours away. i like them cuz they had parcells as a coach and i loved bledsoe and martin.where did I say anything about being a far away fan?
read all of my posts...didn't mention it once

[selftitled85]

where did I say anything about being a far away fan?
read all of my posts...didn't mention it once


i was disagreeing with caleb. not you. i agree with you whole heartedly. i was disagreeing with caleb saying only people in ny and nj can be yankee fans.

edit: i see my mistake. i meant to quote caleb. thats my own problem.

[marrost]

Yankee fan born and raised.

The last two AL Championships have been incredible. Boone's homer in the 10th of Game 7 two years ago was awesome.

I remember saying to my roommate that it would be crazy if the Sox ended up sweeping the Yanks last year. Then Mussina had a no hitter through 5 or 6 innings in the first game, and the third game the Yanks put something like 20 runs on the board. After this happened I actually said to him, now how fucked up would it be after getting slaughtered in the first three games, they come back and make it hurt even more? I couldn't believe that it actually happened. Let's hope for the third faceoff in a row this year.

[Spicoli hey bud]

Yankee fan born and raised.

The last two AL Championships have been incredible. Boone's homer in the 10th of Game 7 two years ago was awesome.

I remember saying to my roommate that it would be crazy if the Sox ended up sweeping the Yanks last year. Then Mussina had a no hitter through 5 or 6 innings in the first game, and the third game the Yanks put something like 20 runs on the board. After this happened I actually said to him, now how fucked up would it be after getting slaughtered in the first three games, they come back and make it hurt even more? I couldn't believe that it actually happened. Let's hope for the third faceoff in a row this year.Boone, Brosius, Curtis, Sojo, Raines....so many memories

[Scott Weber]

interesting fact. didnt know that. i love how all of these red sox fans popped up all over the country after they won. ill admit i was happy for them, becuase 86 years is a long time not to win one. if youre not from the boston or surrounding areas and your a red sox fan...shame.
That's a fucking retarded argument, Caleb, all you do is root for Illinois yet you're from St. Louis. I've liked the Red Sox since they had Clemens, he was my favorite pitcher growing up. You're saying I can't be a fan because I'm not from there?

But you want to talk about bandwagon fans...look no closer than the LA Lakers and NY Yankees. NY has no allegiance to their players. They'll cut them and deal them at the drop of a hat. They'll block trades. They'll sign great players or get them at the trade deadline just so other teams can't have him....then they'll stick them on their bench. Jeff Weaver, anyone? I hate that mentality. At least Boston is charismatic and have players that live, breathe, and love Boston baseball. Remember when Jason Giambi was all sweet, with his tats and straggly hair? He moves to NYC and Steinbrenner makes him cut it, shave, and cover his tats. Clean cut, manufactured, faceless franchise. Fuck the Yankees.

[Member]

Geographic location doesn't matter to me when it comes to fans in part because I'm an Indians fan and they really aren't supposed to be my team and people often pick teams when they're young and choose to follow them their whole lives. What really bothers me is the casual baseball fans that say they're yankee fans and don't really show their loyalty until the team is back in first place or in the world series.

[marrost]

That's a fucking retarded argument, Caleb, all you do is root for Illinois yet you're from St. Louis. I've liked the Red Sox since they had Clemens, he was my favorite pitcher growing up. You're saying I can't be a fan because I'm not from there?

But you want to talk about bandwagon fans...look no closer than the LA Lakers and NY Yankees. NY has no allegiance to their players. They'll cut them and deal them at the drop of a hat. They'll block trades. They'll sign great players or get them at the trade deadline just so other teams can't have him....then they'll stick them on their bench. Jeff Weaver, anyone? I hate that mentality. At least Boston is charismatic and have players that live, breathe, and love Boston baseball. Remember when Jason Giambi was all sweet, with his tats and straggly hair? He moves to NYC and Steinbrenner makes him cut it, shave, and cover his tats. Clean cut, manufactured, faceless franchise. Fuck the Yankees.
I don't see how you can hold the signing of good players against the team. That's the point of sports management. Why not get the best you can? There is no reason to be bitter about that.

Cutting and dealing players? Tell that to Bernie and Jorge, who have both been getting worse and worse for a few years now.

Boston has no more charisma than any other team, maybe the fans recently do because they finally have something to rejoice about, but the players just happened to be there at the right moment for the right money, not because of some unique love for the city.

Fuck the Yankees? Fuck the Yankee haters. It's easy to gang up on the team that has continuously made the best decisions in all of sports, but I think it's lame. I'm also a Giants and Rangers fan, so don't give me shit about not sticking with teams or something ridiculous like that; it's a cop out arguement.

I'll agree with you about Steinbrenner, though. I can't stand him.

I hate people that just can't be fans, and have to pick apart other successful teams in the meantime. Save that energy for the postseason, and harness it in a positive way towards the love for your team, not the hate for someone elses.

[Scott Weber]

I don't see how you can hold the signing of good players against the team. That's the point of sports management. Why not get the best you can? There is no reason to be bitter about that.

Cutting and dealing players? Tell that to Bernie and Jorge, who have both been getting worse and worse for a few years now.

Boston has no more charisma than any other team, maybe the fans recently do because they finally have something to rejoice about, but the players just happened to be there at the right moment for the right money, not because of some unique love for the city.

Fuck the Yankees? Fuck the Yankee haters. It's easy to gang up on the team that has continuously made the best decisions in all of sports, but I think it's lame. I'm also a Giants and Rangers fan, so don't give me shit about not sticking with teams or something ridiculous like that; it's a cop out arguement.

I'll agree with you about Steinbrenner, though. I can't stand him.

I hate people that just can't be fans, and have to pick apart other successful teams in the meantime. Save that energy for the postseason, and harness it in a positive way towards the love for your team, not the hate for someone elses.

Wow. So many flaws in your argument. First of all, I can hold it against the Yankees when they sign Jeff Weaver (an ace on probably 10 teams in the league) and stick him on the bench - simply because other teams were trying to accquire him. I feel that's unethical and takes away from the game. Just because they have more money doesn't mean they should abuse it like that.

Cutting players....I'm not taking 2 guys as an example of that. Fuck, everyone knows Joe Torre is fighting for his job right now, if he doesn't make the playoffs you can be guaranteed he's gone. Nevermind that he won like 6 or 7 titles for you, or whatever....Over the years, look at the Yankees roster, it completely changes face every 2 or 3 years, save for a few mainstays (Jeter, Rivera, Bernie, Jorge) - Basically, if you weren't raised in the Yankee farm system, you're not going to be there for more than 4 years, because they'll buy somebody better - no matter how well you're performing. That's heartless, and while it may be business, I have every reason to hate it.

Yes, the yankees are successful. Yes, they're smart. They're ruthless, spineless, and gutless. The Yankees take the fun away from the game, and thank god they're losing every once in a while now, because for a while they were straight up buying the game. It wasn't like the Bulls where a superstar carried them, it was a revolving payroll of the hottest players to take them to the top.

I am a baseball fan, and I respect the game, that's why I hate what Steinbrenner has done to it over the past 10 years. He's destroying it and making it all about the money. The only reason Boston had to spend 120 million was to keep up with NY in their division. If the Yankee mentality continues, Free Agency will essentially become whoever gives the most money, nothing else.

[marrost]

Wow. So many flaws in your argument. First of all, I can hold it against the Yankees when they sign Jeff Weaver (an ace on probably 10 teams in the league) and stick him on the bench - simply because other teams were trying to accquire him. I feel that's unethical and takes away from the game. Just because they have more money doesn't mean they should abuse it like that.

Cutting players....I'm not taking 2 guys as an example of that. Fuck, everyone knows Joe Torre is fighting for his job right now, if he doesn't make the playoffs you can be guaranteed he's gone. Nevermind that he won like 6 or 7 titles for you, or whatever....Over the years, look at the Yankees roster, it completely changes face every 2 or 3 years, save for a few mainstays (Jeter, Rivera, Bernie, Jorge) - Basically, if you weren't raised in the Yankee farm system, you're not going to be there for more than 4 years, because they'll buy somebody better - no matter how well you're performing. That's heartless, and while it may be business, I have every reason to hate it.

Yes, the yankees are successful. Yes, they're smart. They're ruthless, spineless, and gutless. The Yankees take the fun away from the game, and thank god they're losing every once in a while now, because for a while they were straight up buying the game. It wasn't like the Bulls where a superstar carried them, it was a revolving payroll of the hottest players to take them to the top.

I am a baseball fan, and I respect the game, that's why I hate what Steinbrenner has done to it over the past 10 years. He's destroying it and making it all about the money. The only reason Boston had to spend 120 million was to keep up with NY in their division. If the Yankee mentality continues, Free Agency will essentially become whoever gives the most money, nothing else.
Ethics aren't a part of playing by the rules. What you're saying about the how the Yanks acquiring leftover players is wrong would be like not picking up a hundred dollar bill you find on the sidewalk, because someone else might be able to use it for something a little better. You're still going to put it in your pocket and walk away, because you are faced with the immediate opportunity to do so, and looking out for yourself is the most important thing, especially in a competition.

And I'll agree with you on some of the terms of buying their players. The superstar thing has been a little out of control within the past few years, and has gotten on my nerves with the signings of A-Rod, Johnson and that shithead Kevin Brown. But before that, im talking mid to late 90's, they had an incredibley solid line up assembled, that basically had the same mainstays for a 5 year period, a lot of which did come up through the farm system. You can only shell out so much money, it's not like they have ever assembled a 9 man superstar lineup. They have made some excellent deals in the past, and a few admittidley over the top ones as of late. Players come and go on every team and you're not going to change that. It's not like too many players are signing more than 4 year deals. Every team is a revolving door of sorts, so who isn't going to let go of a player that isn't performing well for better prospects? I can't think of any instances where the Yanks have let go of someone that has been performing well for someone better. Please refresh my memory if I am mistaken.

They have the most money, though not by much. However, you can't just put all the blame on the management and the team. The players are the ones that sign the deals in the end. They helped build the machine. So here it is and until the rules change, the Yankees won't. In the way that MLB is assebmeled, naturally one team was going to fall into the powerhouse role they have been playing. You can't hold against the team, what any other team would kill for. Sure I would like to see a salary cap if and watch it put a stop to all this pointless debate on the subject of money. Right now the game, unfortunately, is money. One team played it best to get to the top. Only thing you can do is sit and wait for the league to change. Until (and beyond) that point, I'm still going to cheer on my team.

Of course I can see your points. If I were in your shoes I would feel the exact same way. I was just lucky enough to be born 5 minutes from the city.

[Caleb Cattivera]

That's a fucking retarded argument, Caleb, all you do is root for Illinois yet you're from St. Louis. I've liked the Red Sox since they had Clemens, he was my favorite pitcher growing up. You're saying I can't be a fan because I'm not from there?

But you want to talk about bandwagon fans...look no closer than the LA Lakers and NY Yankees. NY has no allegiance to their players. They'll cut them and deal them at the drop of a hat. They'll block trades. They'll sign great players or get them at the trade deadline just so other teams can't have him....then they'll stick them on their bench. Jeff Weaver, anyone? I hate that mentality. At least Boston is charismatic and have players that live, breathe, and love Boston baseball. Remember when Jason Giambi was all sweet, with his tats and straggly hair? He moves to NYC and Steinbrenner makes him cut it, shave, and cover his tats. Clean cut, manufactured, faceless franchise. Fuck the Yankees.
remember scott...im from southern illinois. i said that in my first post...the part of illinois i live in is considered the 'metro east' of saint louis. i was born in carbondale illinois, raised in harrisburg, and lived there until i MOVED INTO saint louis. people that live in NJ, NY, and those states up there i can see them being yanks fans...but people in cali and what not is what im saying. and you told me you liked the sox before...i knew you did, im just saying there is exceptions to people being fans. so many people jump on bandwagons. calm down buddy. and speaking of illinois, you owe me a hanson review.

[selftitled85]

scott you are so wrong...weaver was given so many chances to succeed in ny. he lost a world series game for the yanks and never posted a winning record in ny as a starter. he also had an era above 4.5 in his years there. and the arguement about the yankees not having any allegiance...bernie, jeter, posada, rivera, cano, tino martinez (became good once he came to ny in 96), sierra, and some of the guys in the bull pen have played almost there whole career in ny. bernie, jeter, rivera, and martinez have all been on the yanks for all the world series. you can actually look this up...the sox dont have a single player on their team who was on it back in 99. so you can just shove that up your ass and smoke it.

[Scott Weber]

scott you are so wrong...weaver was given so many chances to succeed in ny. he lost a world series game for the yanks and never posted a winning record in ny as a starter. he also had an era above 4.5 in his years there. and the arguement about the yankees not having any allegiance...bernie, jeter, posada, rivera, cano, tino martinez (became good once he came to ny in 96), sierra, and some of the guys in the bull pen have played almost there whole career in ny. bernie, jeter, rivera, and martinez have all been on the yanks for all the world series. you can actually look this up...the sox dont have a single player on their team who was on it back in 99. so you can just shove that up your ass and smoke it.
That's nowhere NEAR true, and if you knew anything about baseball you'd realize that.

The year the Yankees accquired Jeff Weaver, in order to block any other AL teams from getting him in a trade, they sat him on the BENCH. He pitched in 15 games and only started in 8 of them. Up until then, Jeff had pitched over 100 games and started all but 2 of them. You're telling me they didn't bench him and block those accquisitions? They OBVIOUSLY didn't need another starter. Get a fucking clue.

Tino played in NYC for a few years, but the minute his performance deteriorated in the slightest, he was CUT. Actually, he was doing awesome (.280, 30+ Homers, 110 RBI) and he just got released because the yanks went out and bought somebody they thought was better...Jason Giambi. Thanks for the awesome performance, Tino...here's a ticket to St. Louis, now get the fuck out. Fucking yankees. Sure, he's back now, but....you missed the point completely. Martinez left for more than a few years, so I don't know what you're talking about.

Since your thick head missed the point where I said that all players raised in the NY Farm system stayed with the team, I guess you can just read my post over again.Over the years, look at the Yankees roster, it completely changes face every 2 or 3 years, save for a few mainstays (Jeter, Rivera, Bernie, Jorge) - Or were you too angry to pay attention?


I'm not wrong about buying their players. Do you think any other team in the majors can afford A-Rod? The Giambi and Weaver examples are just 2 of many, many times in which the Yankees have taken their endless budget and gotten players other franchises can't afford. Salary cap anyone? Oh no, not for America's precious Yankees...

[marrost]

I'm not wrong about buying their players. Do you think any other team in the majors can afford A-Rod? The Giambi and Weaver examples are just 2 of many, many times in which the Yankees have taken their endless budget and gotten players other franchises can't afford. Salary cap anyone? Oh no, not for America's precious Yankees...You're being stubborn as well. How about reading what I wrote before pigeonholing us Yankee fans like we're a bunch of idiots.

[Scott Weber]

You're being stubborn as well. How about reading what I wrote before pigeonholing us Yankee fans like we're a bunch of idiots.
Nobody is pigeon-holing you. You're from NY. You're a hometown fan. I have nothing against you, your points were great.

Bud Selig wants the Yankees to win the Series. Why? Because TV gets the highest ratings when the Yankees are in it. Why? Because the Yankees have the most nationwide fans of any team. Casual fans love to root for winners. I'm not talking about you. Don't pigeon-hole yourself.

[marrost]

Nobody is pigeon-holing you. You're from NY. You're a hometown fan. I have nothing against you, your points were great.

Bud Selig wants the Yankees to win the Series. Why? Because TV gets the highest ratings when the Yankees are in it. Why? Because the Yankees have the most nationwide fans of any team. Casual fans love to root for winners. I'm not talking about you. Don't pigeon-hole yourself.
Your last bit about the salary cap just got to me, especially after that whole last paragraph I wrote. I misinterpereted.

[Spicoli hey bud]

god I love arguing about baseball

[Caleb Cattivera]

i agree with scott on the a rod thing. no other team in baseball could afford him. the 10 year 250 million dollar deal...wtf? that's retarded. only a few players in the history of sports should be paid that...one being michael jordan...if im not mistaken the rangers, or some team was SOLD for 250 million dollars. i just dont see how some players play for the 'love of the game' and then holdout on contracts.

[NetNerdsRevenge]

Disclaimer: I didn't read the whole thread because I dont have that time, so dont jump on me if this has already been said. oh and im as die hard as they come for the bean-towners

1. yankee fans....its a 1 game lead. boston played 30 games in 30 days. thats tough for an old team like this. I expect them to play better ball these last 11 games and if they dont, bye bye playoffs. bullpen killed them.

2. yankee fans...dont let anyone say you haven't felt pain. Thurman Munson, your all-star catcher FREAKIN DIED! thats pain...tony C pain.

3. who ever said the red sox were becoming the yankees...sorry. not this FO. John Henry actually understands what oakland is doing. He hired Bill James, the man who started this whole sabremetircs (spelling?) deal. He then, after not gettin Beane, signed Theo Epstein who idealizes Beane. If they were so much like the yankees with spend spend spend they would of signed Pedro and not be shopping Manny. I can tell you with most certainty they will drop a big salary at the end of this year. they will have to if they want to be in the mix for a #1 starter.

4. who ever said something about having to be in the area to a be a fan, bullshit. I have connections to Boston, which is my reasoning. My father grew up there, but lets say he didn't. Lets say that I was born out in California, which I was, but without the connection to Boston. Now lets say I was a huge fan of Manny while he was on the indians. He signed with Boston...I like the ballpark and maybe some of the players on that team. Now I start to get into the Red Sox because of the players they have and not because of where I was born. Is that a crime? Does it make me any less of a fan if from Manny I fell in love with a whole team?

5. Bandwagons...please. Ive been going to Red Sox vs A's games in Oakland for 18 years now and Boston has always drawn a huge crowd. Just becasue teams like Boston or NY have fans spread out all over the country doesnt mean they jumped on. Plenty of people move out of New England because of weather or price of homes. A lot of people also go to school there and fall in love with the team and the whole ambiance around it. sure because they won more people will buy their hat or a shirt, but dont claim bandwagon because we out draw home fans sometimes.

6. Are yankee fans spoiled? ya, they probably are. Does that mean I wouldn't want to be? hell no. You have to respect an owner to some degree when he tries to field a WINNING team every year. As much as I hate stein, you gotta admit, he puts money into his club. Some teams never do that. And they make clever signs...

7. to the person who brought up Cano with the likes of Jeter and Williams....come on man. Thats a low blow to CI and bernie. Cano is not even close to their league nor has he been around for more than a year. I dont think he'll be there very long.

8. sorry if this is really unorganized or what not. Its early and im workin off a buzz. I love talking yankee red sox baseball though...even if we are in totally suckatude right now.

[mat1419]

If you're looking for real pain, stick a fork in your eye
Being a fan of a losing sports team isn't painful, it's discouraging, and part of being a fan of sports
what are you mad i don't like your team? i hate the yankees, i hate their fans, i told you why...get over it.

[Vanity__Dearest]

love how you guys wait around until you grab one game on a team...with over 10 games left in a season, so you can talk about having the lead...the yankees didn't have first place for how long? no matter what, the indians will knock either team out...and i'm a red sox fan.

[justinevans]

i've always followed the phillies and yankees. AL and NL. Dad from philly, mom from north jersey. oh what the jersey shore produces haha. if there were ever a phillies-yankees rematch of the 1950 battle, i'd root for the fightin' phils. Call me a fake fan, whatever, i still follow the team prior to August.

Disclaimer: I didn't read the whole thread because I dont have that time, so dont jump on me if this has already been said. oh and im as die hard as they come for the bean-towners

1. yankee fans....its a 1 game lead. boston played 30 games in 30 days. thats tough for an old team like this. I expect them to play better ball these last 11 games and if they dont, bye bye playoffs. bullpen killed them.

2. yankee fans...dont let anyone say you haven't felt pain. Thurman Munson, your all-star catcher FREAKIN DIED! thats pain...tony C pain.

3. who ever said the red sox were becoming the yankees...sorry. not this FO. John Henry actually understands what oakland is doing. He hired Bill James, the man who started this whole sabremetircs (spelling?) deal. He then, after not gettin Beane, signed Theo Epstein who idealizes Beane. If they were so much like the yankees with spend spend spend they would of signed Pedro and not be shopping Manny. I can tell you with most certainty they will drop a big salary at the end of this year. they will have to if they want to be in the mix for a #1 starter.

4. who ever said something about having to be in the area to a be a fan, bullshit. I have connections to Boston, which is my reasoning. My father grew up there, but lets say he didn't. Lets say that I was born out in California, which I was, but without the connection to Boston. Now lets say I was a huge fan of Manny while he was on the indians. He signed with Boston...I like the ballpark and maybe some of the players on that team. Now I start to get into the Red Sox because of the players they have and not because of where I was born. Is that a crime? Does it make me any less of a fan if from Manny I fell in love with a whole team?

5. Bandwagons...please. Ive been going to Red Sox vs A's games in Oakland for 18 years now and Boston has always drawn a huge crowd. Just becasue teams like Boston or NY have fans spread out all over the country doesnt mean they jumped on. Plenty of people move out of New England because of weather or price of homes. A lot of people also go to school there and fall in love with the team and the whole ambiance around it. sure because they won more people will buy their hat or a shirt, but dont claim bandwagon because we out draw home fans sometimes.

6. Are yankee fans spoiled? ya, they probably are. Does that mean I wouldn't want to be? hell no. You have to respect an owner to some degree when he tries to field a WINNING team every year. As much as I hate stein, you gotta admit, he puts money into his club. Some teams never do that. And they make clever signs...

7. to the person who brought up Cano with the likes of Jeter and Williams....come on man. Thats a low blow to CI and bernie. Cano is not even close to their league nor has he been around for more than a year. I dont think he'll be there very long.

8. sorry if this is really unorganized or what not. Its early and im workin off a buzz. I love talking yankee red sox baseball though...even if we are in totally suckatude right now.

the red sox have a large bandwagon in fl, same with the PATS...one lives in my house.

[YourLatestVicti]

i agree with scott on the a rod thing. no other team in baseball could afford him. the 10 year 250 million dollar deal...wtf? that's retarded. only a few players in the history of sports should be paid that...one being michael jordan...if im not mistaken the rangers, or some team was SOLD for 250 million dollars. i just dont see how some players play for the 'love of the game' and then holdout on contracts.
I pretty much agree with everything you said excpet that you have to remember the Yankees didn't sign AROD to the contract. I hate the Yankees but that's one thing you can't fault them for.

[Spicoli hey bud]

i agree with scott on the a rod thing. no other team in baseball could afford him. the 10 year 250 million dollar deal...wtf? that's retarded. only a few players in the history of sports should be paid that...one being michael jordan...if im not mistaken the rangers, or some team was SOLD for 250 million dollars. i just dont see how some players play for the 'love of the game' and then holdout on contracts.The Rangers paid $67 million of the $179 million left on AROD's contract. 179 is still a lot, but don't forget that the yankees gave up soriano too...

[Scott Weber]

The Rangers paid $67 million of the $179 million left on AROD's contract. 179 is still a lot, but don't forget that the yankees gave up soriano too...
Uh, not the point...they took a huge contract hit that nobody else could afford. Texas knew NYC was the only place they could dump him off and still get something in return.

[Spicoli hey bud]

Uh, not the point...they took a huge contract hit that nobody else could afford. Texas knew NYC was the only place they could dump him off and still get something in return.I wasn't making a point
just making a correction of fact

They're the Good Charlotte of MLB...way too easy to like.and you are like the Christopher Reeve of analogies

[mat1419]

I wasn't making a point
just making a correction of fact

and you are like the Christopher Reeve of analogies
paralyzed or dead? neither really fit. yours sucked too. i win.

[NetNerdsRevenge]

the red sox have a large bandwagon in fl, same with the PATS...one lives in my house.
There are a lot of people from NE in FL. Fort Meyers is near St pete which is why you see a lot of sox fans at the games.

[selftitled85]

That's nowhere NEAR true, and if you knew anything about baseball you'd realize that.

The year the Yankees accquired Jeff Weaver, in order to block any other AL teams from getting him in a trade, they sat him on the BENCH. He pitched in 15 games and only started in 8 of them. Up until then, Jeff had pitched over 100 games and started all but 2 of them. You're telling me they didn't bench him and block those accquisitions? They OBVIOUSLY didn't need another starter. Get a fucking clue.

Tino played in NYC for a few years, but the minute his performance deteriorated in the slightest, he was CUT. Actually, he was doing awesome (.280, 30+ Homers, 110 RBI) and he just got released because the yanks went out and bought somebody they thought was better...Jason Giambi. Thanks for the awesome performance, Tino...here's a ticket to St. Louis, now get the fuck out. Fucking yankees. Sure, he's back now, but....you missed the point completely. Martinez left for more than a few years, so I don't know what you're talking about.

Since your thick head missed the point where I said that all players raised in the NY Farm system stayed with the team, I guess you can just read my post over again. Or were you too angry to pay attention?


I'm not wrong about buying their players. Do you think any other team in the majors can afford A-Rod? The Giambi and Weaver examples are just 2 of many, many times in which the Yankees have taken their endless budget and gotten players other franchises can't afford. Salary cap anyone? Oh no, not for America's precious Yankees...

these are jeff weavers stats while he was on the yanks...
New York Yankees 5 3 4.04 15 8 0 0 2 2 78.0 81 38 35 12 3 15 57
2003 New York Yankees 7 9 5.99 32 24 0 0 0 0 159.1 211 113 106 16 11 47 93

in all he started over 30 games and posted a 12-12 record and had an awful era.

theres nothing i can say about tino because well its true. the yanks shipped him off for giambi. but you still had no rebuttal for my statement saying there are no sox players on the team that were on the team in 99 and i find that to be a valid point.

and yankees got a rod yes. but if you think about it the sox didnt need a third baseman while the yankees actually did. thats the only reason why boston was in the running.

these are jeff weavers stats while he was on the yanks...
New York Yankees 5 3 4.04 15 8 0 0 2 2 78.0 81 38 35 12 3 15 57
2003 New York Yankees 7 9 5.99 32 24 0 0 0 0 159.1 211 113 106 16 11 47 93

in all he started over 30 games and posted a 12-12 record and had an awful era.

theres nothing i can say about tino because well its true. the yanks shipped him off for giambi. but you still had no rebuttal for my statement saying there are no sox players on the team that were on the team in 99 and i find that to be a valid point.

and yankees got a rod yes. but if you think about it the sox didnt need a third baseman while the yankees actually did. thats the only reason why boston was in the running.


and about jeff weavers stats...he was letting a good portion more than a hit an inning and was not dominant whatsoever. the yankees were stupid in signing him in the first place.

[Scott Weber]

You totally missed the point about the Yankees signing Weaver when they simply didn't need to. I'm not discussing this any more with you until you accept the fact that they signed him simply so other teams couldn't have him. NOBODY is arguing his performance except you, man. They traded for him, then benched him. They did NOT need another starter (the guy has started virtually every game he's ever played in everywhere BUT new york...where he started about 60% of the games he pitched)

And yeah - the Tino thing was true. At least you can concede that. There's no better example of heartless Yankee politics than that.

Every team goes through major changes in a 6 year span. Hell, I'm a Mariners fan, and there's probably only 5 holdover players from 2 YEARS ago. Also, there's a difference with Boston and the Yankees. The Yankees cut players and turnover their rosters despite winning the AL East pretty much every single year. Where was Boston in 1999? They sure as hell weren't winning division titles. They had to upgrade to win, and complete player turnover in 5-6 years is not abnormal in the least...go take a look at the Blue Jays roster, or Tampa Bay, or Baltimore, find the holdovers there over 5 years. I guarantee there's not many. The Yankees are just greedy.

[selftitled85]

You totally missed the point about the Yankees signing Weaver when they simply didn't need to. I'm not discussing this any more with you until you accept the fact that they signed him simply so other teams couldn't have him. NOBODY is arguing his performance except you, man. They traded for him, then benched him. They did NOT need another starter (the guy has started virtually every game he's ever played in everywhere BUT new york...where he started about 60% of the games he pitched)

And yeah - the Tino thing was true. At least you can concede that. There's no better example of heartless Yankee politics than that.

Every team goes through major changes in a 6 year span. Hell, I'm a Mariners fan, and there's probably only 5 holdover players from 2 YEARS ago. Also, there's a difference with Boston and the Yankees. The Yankees cut players and turnover their rosters despite winning the AL East pretty much every single year. Where was Boston in 1999? They sure as hell weren't winning division titles. They had to upgrade to win, and complete player turnover in 5-6 years is not abnormal in the least...go take a look at the Blue Jays roster, or Tampa Bay, or Baltimore, find the holdovers there over 5 years. I guarantee there's not many. The Yankees are just greedy.

the yankees have not made that many huge deals. the large blockbusters include a rod, giambi, and matsui. there is not many other deals. i think sox gettin manny or pedro tops those.

[hockey0001]

but you still had no rebuttal for my statement saying there are no sox players on the team that were on the team in 99 and i find that to be a valid point.

Trot Nixon, Jason Varitek, and Tim Wakefield say hi

[selftitled85]

Trot Nixon, Jason Varitek, and Tim Wakefield say hi


i did forget about wakefield. he has been there for a long time. so i was proven wrong i will not talk about that aspect anymore.

[marrost]

It's gonna be great when the Yanks knock Boston out of the playoffs when they win 2 out of 3 at Fenway.

[justinevans]

There are a lot of people from NE in FL. Fort Meyers is near St pete which is why you see a lot of sox fans at the games.

well this kid is from tennessee, other kids are from michigan and the midwest.

im in palm beach. more new yorkers and new jerseyians than anything.

[Scott Weber]

the yankees have not made that many huge deals. the large blockbusters include a rod, giambi, and matsui. there is not many other deals. i think sox gettin manny or pedro tops those.
you think manny and pedro top getting AROD????????? Who some people call the best overall player in the game??? WOW dude. You really DON'T know anything about baseball - no offense, but that's ridiculous.

Nice job on that Red Sox argument as well, with no players being around. It's safe to say you've been reduced to nothing in your argument.

[Spicoli hey bud]

When it comes to baseball, most people do not know what they are talking about

[marrost]

When it comes to baseball, most people do not know what they are talking about
You haven't really said anything in this thread other than bullshit filler like that. You had that one good post about the Sox payroll, but you can't act like you're more knowlegable than everyone in here when you're not even participating.

This thread is pointless anyway. Big deal, they finally got into first for the second time this season. There are still 10 games left in which anything is possible.

[Spicoli hey bud]

You haven't really said anything in this thread other than bullshit filler like that. You had that one good post about the Sox payroll, but you can't act like you're more knowlegable than everyone in here when you're not even participating.

This thread is pointless anyway. Big deal, they finally got into first for the second time this season. There are still 10 games left in which anything is possible.Understandable, but it takes a coherent response to make me defend myself and respond. I'm not trying to convey the fact that I believe myself to be more knowledgeable, but it just seems as if many of these comments are very unresearched and irrelevant. I started this thread to speak about the current situation in the AL, but I've realized that most people are completely biased and can't make a fair argument.

[Jesse2]

I fucking hate the Yankees, you're not a fan if you've never had to suffer

that's funny, because the Yankees SUCKED when i was growing up.

1989: 74-87
1990: 67-95
1991: 71-91
1992: 76-86

67-95 isn't suffering? Yeah, they've won a ton of championships, but there have definitely been low points.

[Caleb Cattivera]

that's funny, because the Yankees SUCKED when i was growing up.

1989: 74-87
1990: 67-95
1991: 71-91
1992: 76-86

67-95 isn't suffering? Yeah, they've won a ton of championships, but there have definitely been low points.
haha and im sure when you were 8 years old in 89 you were really worried about the yankees record, let alone if they were winning or not.

[Jesse2]

haha and im sure when you were 8 years old in 89 you were really worried about the yankees record, let alone if they were winning or not.

i absolutely was, i was insane about baseball as a kid. i started going to baseball games when i was 4, living in Seattle.

[Caleb Cattivera]

i absolutely was, i was insane about baseball as a kid. i started going to baseball games when i was 4, living in Seattle.
i see...

[Spicoli hey bud]

haha and im sure when you were 8 years old in 89 you were really worried about the yankees record, let alone if they were winning or not.at age 8 I had been to more Yankee games than I've been to since I've been in college (thank you dad)...and I go to see them every time they're in town here, aka next week. But I definitely wouldn't say I was able to follow what was going on at the time other than "yay they won, or yay they lost."

football is another story, I can't remember a time when I wasn't hardcore about folloring football...

[selftitled85]

at age 8 I had been to more Yankee games than I've been to since I've been in college (thank you dad)...and I go to see them every time they're in town here, aka next week. But I definitely wouldn't say I was able to follow what was going on at the time other than "yay they won, or yay they lost."

football is another story, I can't remember a time when I wasn't hardcore about folloring football...


my first yankee game was when i was 4. my fav player ever is don mattingly.

scott you can bitch and complain about this all you want. but the truth is the red sox are the new age yankees and that you should enjoy this while you can. in a year or two everyone will hate you for doing the same thing the yankees did.

[Spicoli hey bud]

my first yankee game was when i was 4. my fav player ever is don mattingly.he will never be anything but donny baseball to me

[selftitled85]

he will never be anything but donny baseball to me


he was my idol for so long cuz im a lefty and hes a lefty and i knew of no good lefty baseball players until him. i miss donny baseball. i cried like a baby when seattle won in 95 knockin out the yanks and making sure don retired without a ring. it was awful.

[Scott Weber]

my first yankee game was when i was 4. my fav player ever is don mattingly.

scott you can bitch and complain about this all you want. but the truth is the red sox are the new age yankees and that you should enjoy this while you can. in a year or two everyone will hate you for doing the same thing the yankees did.
I'm so done talking to you. I have destroyed every one of your arguments, and you pass it off with that? Classic sign of a defeated man. The Red Sox will never be the new age Yankees. The reasoning for this was already made (Which I assume you ignored...again) in the case of the Sox trying to deal away Manny, letting Embree go to the (who else) Yankees...

3. who ever said the red sox were becoming the yankees...sorry. not this FO. John Henry actually understands what oakland is doing. He hired Bill James, the man who started this whole sabremetircs (spelling?) deal. He then, after not gettin Beane, signed Theo Epstein who idealizes Beane. If they were so much like the yankees with spend spend spend they would of re-signed Pedro and not be shopping Manny. I can tell you with most certainty they will drop a big salary at the end of this year. they will have to if they want to be in the mix for a #1 starter. (thanks NetNerdsRevenge)

he was my idol for so long cuz im a lefty and hes a lefty and i knew of no good lefty baseball players until him. i miss donny baseball. i cried like a baby when seattle won in 95 knockin out the yanks and making sure don retired without a ring. it was awful.
And I cheered like crazy...it was one of the greatest moments in Seattle sports during my lifetime. Try being a Mariners fan your entire life and finally seeing your team make the playoffs for the first time, let alone win a series...over the Yankees.

[Spicoli hey bud]

And I cheered like crazy...it was one of the greatest moments in Seattle sports during my lifetime. Try being a Mariners fan your entire life and finally seeing your team make the playoffs for the first time, let alone win a series...over the Yankees.see, the yankees have a way of making anyone happy :thumbsup:

[Drew Beringer]

I'm so done talking to you. I have destroyed every one of your arguments, and you pass it off with that? Classic sign of a defeated man. The Red Sox will never be the new age Yankees. The reasoning for this was already made (Which I assume you ignored...again) in the case of the Sox trying to deal away Manny, letting Embree go to the (who else) Yankees...

(thanks NetNerdsRevenge)


And I cheered like crazy...it was one of the greatest moments in Seattle sports during my lifetime. Try being a Mariners fan your entire life and finally seeing your team make the playoffs for the first time, let alone win a series...over the Yankees.

Nice avatar, Scott. :thumbsup:

[Caleb Cattivera]

I'm so done talking to you. I have destroyed every one of your arguments, and you pass it off with that? Classic sign of a defeated man. The Red Sox will never be the new age Yankees. The reasoning for this was already made (Which I assume you ignored...again) in the case of the Sox trying to deal away Manny, letting Embree go to the (who else) Yankees...

(thanks NetNerdsRevenge)


And I cheered like crazy...it was one of the greatest moments in Seattle sports during my lifetime. Try being a Mariners fan your entire life and finally seeing your team make the playoffs for the first time, let alone win a series...over the Yankees.
hey scott...you have to thank the yanks for at least one thing. trading jay buhner to the mariners way back when. that was a hell of a team though man.

martinez, cora, blowers, buhner, griffey(out half the season if i recall correctly), and edgar, who to me is one of, if not the best DH of all time...paul molitor is right there with him. i remember being such a fan of that squad because vince coleman was there for a bit haha. and a rod was on the bench, still very young. and marc newfield, their first round pick from a few years earlier who never really amounted to anything.

randy johnson, norm charlton, belcher and bosio...and another draft pick who never really did much, dave fleming.

that was a good squad scott. i dont know how i knew that shit.

[Spicoli hey bud]

hey scott...you have to thank the yanks for at least one thing. trading jay buhner to the mariners way back when. that was a hell of a team though man.

martinez, cora, blowers, buhner, griffey(out half the season if i recall correctly), and edgar, who to me is one of, if not the best DH of all time...paul molitor is right there with him. i remember being such a fan of that squad because vince coleman was there for a bit haha. and a rod was on the bench, still very young. and marc newfield, their first round pick from a few years earlier who never really amounted to anything.

randy johnson, norm charlton, belcher and bosio...and another draft pick who never really did much, dave fleming.

that was a good squad scott. i dont know how i knew that shit.ken griffy jr. baseball for 64?

[Scott Weber]

hey scott...you have to thank the yanks for at least one thing. trading jay buhner to the mariners way back when. that was a hell of a team though man.

martinez, cora, blowers, buhner, griffey(out half the season if i recall correctly), and edgar, who to me is one of, if not the best DH of all time...paul molitor is right there with him. i remember being such a fan of that squad because vince coleman was there for a bit haha. and a rod was on the bench, still very young. and marc newfield, their first round pick from a few years earlier who never really amounted to anything.

randy johnson, norm charlton, belcher and bosio...and another draft pick who never really did much, dave fleming.

that was a good squad scott. i dont know how i knew that shit.
Haha yeah man. That roster was rad...we had Mike Blowers, Joey Cora, Luis Sojo...Buhner was loved in Seattle, but he always hit for terrible average. He had an arm and a huge bat for sure. Man, that was an awesome series. Norm Charlton! The Sheriff! And who can forget about the rookie Bobby Wolcott..good times.

[NetNerdsRevenge]

these are jeff weavers stats while he was on the yanks...
New York Yankees 5 3 4.04 15 8 0 0 2 2 78.0 81 38 35 12 3 15 57
2003 New York Yankees 7 9 5.99 32 24 0 0 0 0 159.1 211 113 106 16 11 47 93
It would be greatly appreciated if you could organize these stats a little better.


theres nothing i can say about tino because well its true. the yanks shipped him off for giambi. but you still had no rebuttal for my statement saying there are no sox players on the team that were on the team in 99 and i find that to be a valid point.
Hockey already said the 05 Roster, and in 04 we had pedro, lowe, and nomar (to an extent). You also have to take into account that Boston went through ownership change who cleaned house.

and yankees got a rod yes. but if you think about it the sox didnt need a third baseman while the yankees actually did. thats the only reason why boston was in the running.
hmmm, They wanted the trade because nomar turned down 4/60 or something like that and they've been looking to move Manny since they took over. The yankees had a third baseman, mike lamb. When they got A-rod they moved him.

the yankees have not made that many huge deals. the large blockbusters include a rod, giambi, and matsui. there is not many other deals. i think sox gettin manny or pedro tops those.
uh what? Sheff? Johnson? Pavono? Clemens? Getting the best player and one of the best pitchers in baseball is not as good as manny or pedro? ...ok

well this kid is from tennessee, other kids are from michigan and the midwest.

im in palm beach. more new yorkers and new jerseyians than anything.
And I would bet these kids have been sox fans for quite some time, and if its more recent we'll see how they hold up down this stretch and in the coming years when they start to struggle.

scott you can bitch and complain about this all you want. but the truth is the red sox are the new age yankees and that you should enjoy this while you can. in a year or two everyone will hate you for doing the same thing the yankees did.
Please stop with the, “they're becoming the new Yankees.” Is every team that spends money becoming the new yankees? They're becoming the new A's with more money to spend. They have changed the way they draft players. So, when they dont have the resources to sign someone they can fall back on theyre farm system. They already have several pitchers and position players ready or close to ready for the majors.

[Scott Weber]

It would be greatly appreciated if you could organize these stats a little better.



Hockey already said the 05 Roster, and in 04 we had pedro, lowe, and nomar (to an extent). You also have to take into account that Boston went through ownership change who cleaned house.


hmmm, They wanted the trade because nomar turned down 4/60 or something like that and they've been looking to move Manny since they took over. The yankees had a third baseman, mike lamb. When they got A-rod they moved him.


uh what? Sheff? Johnson? Pavono? Clemens? Getting the best player and one of the best pitchers in baseball is not as good as manny or pedro? ...ok


And I would bet these kids have been sox fans for quite some time, and if its more recent we'll see how they hold up down this stretch and in the coming years when they start to struggle.


Please stop with the, “they're becoming the new Yankees.” Is every team that spends money becoming the new yankees? They're becoming the new A's with more money to spend. They have changed the way they draft players. So, when they dont have the resources to sign someone they can fall back on theyre farm system. They already have several pitchers and position players ready or close to ready for the majors.
Boom. I seriously laughed out loud when he said "getting manny and pedro tops those." I totally forgot about um, Johnson and Clemens, two of the most (if not the most) dominating pitchers of our era.

[NetNerdsRevenge]

tied for first. this is what baseball is all about. im breathing a sigh of relief right now. 4 hour nail biter. love it. please continue this. pitching and hitting, step up right now. go into to the last series with a 1 game lead. hope is alive!

[NetNerdsRevenge]

Today's events make me sick. Hardly do teams win both games in a double header. The Orioles have no fight left in them, its disgusting. Do they not have any pride left? If they can play spoiler and knock one of these teams out, it wouldn't be a complete loss of a season. We gotta win 3 out 4 in this series. The way this is going the yanks will sweep the O's again. A split between Boston and Toronto and you can kiss it goodbye. Baltimore....please play like you want to win a game. please please please please

or, Cleveland, lose a whole bunch of games..

My thoughts are all mixed up, I cant think straight.

[YouMadeTheScene]

I'll say one thing because I can't discuss the yankees I get very mad I am very defensive.

But the last time the yankees were surging this well at the end of the regular season they went 11-2 in the post season winning the world series. Yankees will win the world series. Sorry folks it is just going to happen. Moose, Wang, Chacon, Small, Johnson, Rivera will be strong and the bats will be on fire.

[hockey0001]

I'll say one thing because I can't discuss the yankees I get very mad I am very defensive.

But the last time the yankees were surging this well at the end of the regular season they went 11-2 in the post season winning the world series. Yankees will win the world series. Sorry folks it is just going to happen. Moose, Wang, Chacon, Small, Johnson, Rivera will be strong and the bats will be on fire.

Yankees are not winning the world series. Wang hasnt been great since hes come back and Small just sucks. He's been the luckiest pitcher ever to be doing as good as he has. Chacon is good I'll you that. Moose and Johnson are hit or miss. And Rivera is Rivera. You just have to hope that they can get to him and that your bullpen doesnt blow it before he has a chance to pitch.

[YouMadeTheScene]

Yankees are not winning the world series. Wang hasnt been great since hes come back and Small just sucks. He's been the luckiest pitcher ever to be doing as good as he has. Chacon is good I'll you that. Moose and Johnson are hit or miss. And Rivera is Rivera. You just have to hope that they can get to him and that your bullpen doesnt blow it before he has a chance to pitch.
Do you watch the yankees? Wang has been completly solid since he's been back, and I don't give a shit if Small has a horseshoe up his ass if he continues to pitch like this he'll be nasty. Chacon has been great like you said. Johnson is best in post season, and Moose looked great and his last start and last season when he came back at the end of the season he was dominant. And Mo will be Mo. And who ever is left out of the rotation will be a nice addition to the bullpen.

I'm really pissed the yanks didn't draft my buddy Craig Hansen. He is going to be nasty. And he has a hot girlfriend.

[hockey0001]

Do you watch the yankees? Wang has been completly solid since he's been back, and I don't give a shit if Small has a horseshoe up his ass if he continues to pitch like this he'll be nasty. Chacon has been great like you said. Johnson is best in post season, and Moose looked great and his last start and last season when he came back at the end of the season he was dominant. And Mo will be Mo. And who ever is left out of the rotation will be a nice addition to the bullpen.

I'm really pissed the yanks didn't draft my buddy Craig Hansen. He is going to be nasty. And he has a hot girlfriend.
Since Wang has been back he's had 1 bad, 2 decent, and 1 good start. Small's peripherals have not been good but he has somehow still managed to win. But he has not been as good recently as when the Yankees first picked him up. But he doesnt matter, cause i dont see him playing a major role in the playoffs if the yankees get in. He definately won't be a starter. He'll be in the bullpen and only used as a long man.


And Craig Hansen does look nasty. Once he gets his slider back he should be even better. He hasnt had it since being shut down during his dead arm period.

[richter915]

yankees w00t...only cause I'm a true NYer...I don't like baseball though...hah

[Scott Weber]

I'll say one thing because I can't discuss the yankees I get very mad I am very defensive.

But the last time the yankees were surging this well at the end of the regular season they went 11-2 in the post season winning the world series. Yankees will win the world series. Sorry folks it is just going to happen. Moose, Wang, Chacon, Small, Johnson, Rivera will be strong and the bats will be on fire.
choke, choke, choke. watch them lose in the ALCS and Steinbrenner fire Torre because of it. What a dick.

[NetNerdsRevenge]

One can only hope Pinella goes to the Yanks in that situation. That club house would be hell.

[sundaysetsashes]

yeah i think pinella would be the only candidate for that team. steinbrenner wouldnt go out on a limb and hire somone who isnt a big name

[NetNerdsRevenge]

yeah i think pinella would be the only candidate for that team. steinbrenner wouldnt go out on a limb and hire somone who isnt a big name
If he becomes the new manager I would jump for joy. That yankee team would be so fucked up with Pinella. I get excited just thinking about it...

[hockey0001]

There's also reports going around that Cashman is done after this season no matter they outcome. I think losing him would hurt more than Torre. Cashman is pretty much the only voice of reason in the Yankees front office. If he does leave Steinnbrenner will probably promote one of his yes-men from the tampa faction and then really mess up the team.

[NetNerdsRevenge]

This winter will be interesting if he goes. I got to sign my name next to Cashman behind the monster. nice little story for ya...