I Saved Emo; What'd You Ever Do?

[Jared Kaufman]

Emo has apparently died (http://www.insidepulse.com/article.php?contentid=28885) and you can blame Thursday (http://www.thursday.net), Taking Back Sunday (http://www.takingbacksunday.com) and us here at Absolutepunk.

Submitted By clintdaddy

[Anton Djamoos]

Jesus Christ. Thanks a lot, Tate.

[tpmrock0]

what a bunch of jerks

[Anton Djamoos]

"While Taking Back Sunday, Brand New, and Thursday are all good bands, they have spawned a legion of imitators and fakes."

You know, that's why it's their fault...not the fault of the bands that imitated them. Great, logical article!

[btotallyintense]

good article.
the truth hurts kids.
purevolume rules, but like the man said, its flooded with HORRIBLE bands.
not just purevolume, the local scene is.
everyone wants to start "screamo-emo-core" bands, and its absolutely terrible.

good music is overshadowed by bands like Hawthorne Heights and Silverstien.
fuck Victory records.

-bradley

[StimulisRocker]

I hate Emma

[Rohan Kohli]

Fuck people like that. Alright, fine, IT'S NOT EMO. Call it something else; keep your beloved "emo." Give us something else to call it.

[Foskco]

im definitely going to cry over this one... :(

[SLADE775]

When was it ever alive?



I never really had a grasp on the whole emo thing. I hate all this genre garbage.

[marbury1414]

yawn...does this guy think he's being original writing an article like this?

[SLADE775]

good article.
the truth hurts kids.
purevolume rules, but like the man said, its flooded with HORRIBLE bands.
not just purevolume, the local scene is.
everyone wants to start "screamo-emo-core" bands, and its absolutely terrible.

good music is overshadowed by bands like Hawthorne Heights and Silverstien.
fuck Victory records.

-bradley
death cab, coheed, and thrice will outsell everything.

all great bands.

so you're wrong.

[splitsecond]

Another newly formed band, My American Heart are an especially pop band.
First off, if this guy cant even write a coherent sentence, he has no right to an opinion. Second, I didnt realize anyone actually gave a shit about My American Heart.

[King K Rool]

I agree with the article.
I keep hearing imitations and not inovations.
Maybe I'm not looking deep enough; but I know what I like and most of the bands that are advertised toward my demographic, I can't stand.

[somebodypunchme]

good article.

[SLADE775]

I have the solution.



It's called



HORSE the band.............bitch.

[brandonrocks]

duh.
everybody knows that websites were the downfall of emo.

[jimboj917]

FINALLY! i think it's safe to say music in general has become terrible, especially among the "emo" genre. my 14 year old cousins have even resorted to creating screennames such as "iloveemo," which to me, is a sign that the music has become watered down in order to reach kids that young. originality is gone, and the ones that have been leading the pack in this genre are the ones who've realized what's happened and are getting the hell out while they can. look at thrice, they wanted some distance from all the rip-offs, and they're prepared to show us something new. look at finch. well, they tried to distance themselves, but they may have done too good of a job. anyways, emo is dead, even though it seems any band nowadays is labeled "emo" even if they have no connection to the genre whatsoever. good article though, people who listen to music need to open their ears.

[brandonrocks]

p.s.
sarcasm!

[crit]

that was an entertaining read.

[Imallout007]

god.....way to go tate....flippin idiot

[SLADE775]

FINALLY! i think it's safe to say music in general has become terrible, especially among the "emo" genre. my 14 year old cousins have even resorted to creating screennames such as "iloveemo," which to me, is a sign that the music has become watered down in order to reach kids that young. originality is gone, and the ones that have been leading the pack in this genre are the ones who've realized what's happened and are getting the hell out while they can. look at thrice, they wanted some distance from all the rip-offs, and they're prepared to show us something new. look at finch. well, they tried to distance themselves, but they may have done too good of a job. anyways, emo is dead, even though it seems any band nowadays is labeled "emo" even if they have no connection to the genre whatsoever. good article though, people who listen to music need to open their ears.
I don't care what you call it. If I like it and enjoy it...great!

Too many people get humg up on labels and genres.

[the_narrator]

Please. This article is what's wrong with the scene. I'm sick of genres, and people telling me what is "horrible," instead of just letting me judge for myself. If music is based on self-expression, and not solely on corporate dollars, then it cannot be "bad." Sure, I can hate it, but that doesn't make the band bad or what they do worthless. Do I like Senses Fail or ATFEH? No. But that doesn't mean their songs don't mean something to someone.

If you know what's "good," start your own damn band and show me. If you're sick of "emo/screamo/whatever" then listen to indie, visit other local scenes, try everything else. Just don't complain.

[countingstars]

I actually agree with alot of what he says about alot of new emo music being bland and samey. I dont like how he picks on certain bands though like My American Heart. Thats kind of out of order.
Anyway I think he has a point.

[splitsecond]

I just realized he called Drive-Thru and imprint of a major label. Now thats ignorant.

[the_narrator]

Oh, P.S. I like the title. Rushmore equals love.

[SLADE775]

1. My American Heart sucks (they are bland as all hell)
2. Victory Records sucks
3. Emma sucks
4. A Thorn For Every Heart sucks

end of story.
1. My American Heart sucks (they are bland as all hell) - I agree
2. Victory Records sucks - I agree
3. Emma sucks - I've never heard them, and they're called guns like girls now.
4. A Thorn For Every Heart sucks - WRONG, they're very good

Please. This article is what's wrong with the scene. I'm sick of genres, and people telling me what is "horrible," instead of just letting me judge for myself. If music is based on self-expression, and not solely on corporate dollars, then it cannot be "bad." Sure, I can hate it, but that doesn't make the band bad or what they do worthless. Do I like Senses Fail or ATFEH? No. But that doesn't mean their songs don't mean something to someone.

If you know what's "good," start your own damn band and show me. If you're sick of "emo/screamo/whatever" then listen to indie, visit other local scenes, try everything else. Just don't complain.

Awesome post!

I like ATFEH. I don't care what anyone says.

[Darren McLeod]

It's true that the scene is filled with garbage. I don't think anyone could deny that. There are a few gems out there, but a lot of it is generic, and cookie-cutter.

[ForsakenProdigy]

Purevolume is filled with a lot of generic trash, very hard to find a real good band

[xearlynovemberx]

1. My American Heart sucks (they are bland as all hell) - I agree
2. Victory Records sucks - I agree
3. Emma sucks - I've never heard them, and they're called guns like girls now.
4. A Thorn For Every Heart sucks - WRONG, they're very good



Awesome post!

I like ATFEH. I don't care what anyone says.
ATFEH fucking owns there record is great

[SLADE775]

Emma is just another copy of a screamo band

if u like that over and over listen to them

if you don't then......you'd hate them

ATFEH used to be unique with that Korean girl playing violin haha, then they turned into everyone else.. :(

I think ATFEH had a great release last year. Moody conceptual lyrics, dual vocals, and solid guitar work.

[specter]

Great way to put it. If you like a band great if you don't then you don't have to be a douche bag and bash them. They probably have more balls then you do they are actually out there doing something. If you like it or love it then listen to it. If you Hate it don't listen to it. There is no need to be a jack ass.

[Talib Scottie]

Eh, that's cool by me. What's not cool is that I just read the most pointless article of my life. Wasted a good 2 minutes because I didnt read it all. But still...

I wish this article would die with emo, maybe the writer as well.

[SLADE775]

ATFEH fucking owns there record is great
YES!!!!!!

[brianma]

Let's blame all the small stages at Warped Tour.

[SLADE775]

Great way to put it. If you like a band great if you don't then you don't have to be a douche bag and bash them. They probably have more balls then you do they are actually out there doing something. If you like it or love it then listen to it. If you Hate it don't listen to it. There is no need to be a jack ass.

Who are you talking to newbie?

[specter]

I think ATFEH had a great release last year. Moody conceptual lyrics, dual vocals, and solid guitar work.
I thought the ATFEH cd was pretty damn good as well but I guess they have quite a few haters out there.

[Talib Scottie]

You know what I hate about the term emo...


everything. Good day.

[specter]

Who are you talking to newbie?
I was actually speaking about the article.

[lostntheseethru]

it was a horribly written article. like his ADD hindered him from making sense...most of the bands he bitched about i like...so i guess that would make me biased to the whole situation but the article itself was horribly written and i couldnt finish it

[thedood]

I have the solution.



It's called



HORSE the band.............bitch.

Agreed. Lately I have been listening to different bands just becasue i am sick of genereic music becoming accepted as great (by myself included).

Sigur Ros
Death Cab
Coheed
Horse the Band

These bands have all had great and different releases lately. If anyone knows anything else that I would be intrested in...post it. Lets start expanding horizons and make sure Hawthorne Heights is not accepted as a great band.

[lostntheseethru]

Agreed. Lately I have been listening to different bands just becasue i am sick of genereic music becoming accepted as great (by myself included).

Sigur Ros
Death Cab
Coheed
Horse the Band

These bands have all had great and different releases lately. If anyone knows anything else that I would be intrested in...post it. Lets start expanding horizons and make sure Hawthorne Heights is not accepted as a great band.



see heres where the problem lies....its all an opinion. plain and simple. what you like, i may not like, and vice versa so instead of always bitching about how horrible a band is IN YOUR OPINION. why not glorify the bands you like. it makes more sense to me to make positive posts about bands than negative ones cuz its always the opinion of the person posting.

[smelltheglove]

I actually agree on a number of the guys points, but he shouldnt have labeled it 'emo' he shouldnt proclaim it dead when the bands he claimed innovated the sound like thursday are still around.

He also loses points for comparing a derivitave band to another one (silverstein).

[Kif]

First off, if this guy cant even write a coherent sentence, he has no right to an opinion. Second, I didnt realize anyone actually gave a shit about My American Heart.
Yeah, what the fuck? So, assuming I fuck up one piece of grammar or spelling in this sentance, then my opinion is useless and void?

I agree with him though. This is my point that I'm getting bored with pop-punk (I refuse to call it the new age of emo or whatever).

[dead&broken]

This article is just his opinion if he doesn't like these bands don't listen to them. If you like these bands then what's wrong with finding other bands that sound like them. Just let the listener decide what he or she wants to hear. fuck a genre, scene, or whatever, listen to what ever you want and like it no matter who says what.

[SLADE775]

Let's blame all the small stages at Warped Tour.
hahahahha

and the rx bandits suck balls.

[Allular]

I think ATFEH had a great release last year. Moody conceptual lyrics, dual vocals, and solid guitar work.

You're talking about Taking Back Sunday.. right? :bigsmile:

[xearlynovemberx]

hahahahha

and the rx bandits suck balls.
are u shitting ur pants with excitment for the new release from atfeh? i am

[lostntheseethru]

Yeah, what the fuck? So, assuming I fuck up one piece of grammar or spelling in this sentance, then my opinion is useless and void?

I agree with him though. This is my point that I'm getting bored with pop-punk (I refuse to call it the new age of emo or whatever).


being bored with the music that is made today is one thing. and i dont think anyone in their right mind would tell you you're wrong for not liking some of the music out today. that would just be stupid. but the article was pretty badly written. lots of points that dont go together and such. yea i know im not perfect with my grammer and everything but if you want someone to take you seriously you better make sure ur article at least makes sense...this one didnt in that respect

[Booz583]

Fuck people like that. Alright, fine, IT'S NOT EMO. Call it something else; keep your beloved "emo." Give us something else to call it.
I agree. For the past couple years, any and every "music elitist" has been complaining about "emo is dead" "pop punk is killing the scene" etc. These people rely on titles that are inaccurate, and often times, we too as music enthusists, adhere to these titles. I agree that Brand New, TBS, TSL.. all those bands, are not emo, or punk, or antyhign like that. They, like most msuci, are an evolution from the artists musical influences. These bands were influenced by Sunny Day Real Estate, Mineral, and the Promise Ring... they are evolutions from those bands. And yes, they do have quite a bit of pop influence, SO BE IT!!!!!!

These titles of "emo" "hardcore"--- are obsolete. The only bands that adhere to those titles are long since gone, so stop using them. We do not even have to call this music anything... except that it is rock. Afterall, all music genres have originated from a previous genre... and so on.

[SLADE775]

see heres where the problem lies....its all an opinion. plain and simple. what you like, i may not like, and vice versa so instead of always bitching about how horrible a band is IN YOUR OPINION. why not glorify the bands you like. it makes more sense to me to make positive posts about bands than negative ones cuz its always the opinion of the person posting.

I wish that everyone could constantly be positive.

But it's never going to be that way.

( hence me posting the rx bandits suck. ) /__EliTisT-

[SLADE775]

You're talking about Taking Back Sunday.. right? :bigsmile:

Tee-he :steiner9:

[GoTHErelentless]

Emo has apparently died (http://www.insidepulse.com/article.php?contentid=28885) and you can blame Thursday (http://www.thursday.net), Taking Back Sunday (http://www.takingbacksunday.com) and us here at Absolutepunk.

Submitted By clintdaddy

well isn't it true?

[snowtires]

the 'if you don't have anything nice to say, don't say anything at all' argument is so ridiculous. so no one is allowed to express a negative opinion?

that article hits the nail on the head. think about it - hair metal (this was a type of music that died about five years before most of you were born) was around for a while, people didn't want to admit that it sucked or that it all sounded the same but, looking back, the haters were right: it was really, really lame. sure there were a few good bands in the genre but, for the most part, it was all about hopping on a band wagon and fucking as many teenage sluts as possible. emo is almost exactly the same as hair metal. the main differences between the two is that emo has way more whining and all of hair metal's hairspray got traded in for white studded belts.

[EmoTorture]

what a bunch of jerks

I'd rather be called a jerk because I voiced my opinion on a webpage, rather than not be called a jerk when i post someone's webpage on my own just to make fun of it and gather as many lacheys behind me in support.

[SLADE775]

hahaha how do they suck balls? on what grounds can u make such a statement?
I don't enjoy the music they create. :thumbsup:

[1000shadesofred]

alright....
1) this guy is an idiot
2) do a spell check before u write an article and post it
3) the article has no logical relevance, its just like this guy got mad one day and sat down and wrote an article out of sheer hatred and anger, get a life bud

[lostntheseethru]

I wish that everyone could constantly be positive.

But it's never going to be that way.

( hence me posting the rx bandits suck. ) /__EliTisT-


well im not saying everyone should always be positive. cuz that is a really stupid suggestion. not even i can be positive about everything that is said in here.


but with saying that, i do mean comments like your rx bandits suck...cuz it kinda makes it hard for people to wanna listen to what you say, you said it about horse the band so why cant they say it about the rx bandits...its the same concept.

[SLADE775]

the 'if you don't have anything nice to say, don't say anything at all' argument is so ridiculous. so no one is allowed to express a negative opinion?

that article hits the nail on the head. think about it - hair metal (this was a type of music that died about five years before most of you were born) was around for a while, people didn't want to admit that it sucked or that it all sounded the same but, looking back, the haters were right: it was really, really lame. sure there were a few good bands in the genre but, for the most part, it was all about hopping on a band wagon and fucking as many teenage sluts as possible. emo is almost exactly the same as hair metal. the main difference between the two is that emo has way more whining and all of hair metal's hairspray got traded in for white studded belts.

whatever dude.

( as I tighten my new white belt with an oversized "vintage" buckle )

hair bands owned.

http://images-eu.amazon.com/images/P/B000005RXO.02.MZZZZZZZ.jpg

[aimless endeavo]

god...this guy is a fucking idiot. i wish i knew him so i could tell him all the flaws in his dumbass theory.

[SLADE775]

well im not saying everyone should always be positive. cuz that is a really stupid suggestion. not even i can be positive about everything that is said in here.


but with saying that, i do mean comments like your rx bandits suck...cuz it kinda makes it hard for people to wanna listen to what you say, you said it about horse the band so why cant they say it about the rx bandits...its the same concept.

you're right. I'm just a dickhead supreme Elitist bastard.

taco's?

/sarcasm

where?

[nevercominghome]

this writter needs to relax.....
i do agree, however, that the scene is overcrowed/becoming unoriginal. ON THE OTHER HAND, there is no way you can blame a band like brand new or tbs, etc. when they came out they werre something different/somewhat original, AFTERWARDS others started to copy them which made the original bands not so original anymore.

i love how the guy says at the end how tbs and brand new are good bands after bashing them the entire article, what a douche

also, equal vision is one of the best labels by far right now (alexisonfire, bear vs shark, circa survive, coheed, fall of troy, fear before the march of flames, etc...)

[SLADE775]

god...this guy is a fucking idiot. i wish i knew him so i could tell him all the flaws in his dumbass theory.

or.....you could post what you think the flaws are. I dunno, just an idea. ;)

[lostntheseethru]

the 'if you don't have anything nice to say, don't say anything at all' argument is so ridiculous. so no one is allowed to express a negative opinion?

that article hits the nail on the head. think about it - hair metal (this was a type of music that died about five years before most of you were born) was around for a while, people didn't want to admit that it sucked or that it all sounded the same but, looking back, the haters were right: it was really, really lame. sure there were a few good bands in the genre but, for the most part, it was all about hopping on a band wagon and fucking as many teenage sluts as possible. emo is almost exactly the same as hair metal. the main differences between the two is that emo has way more whining and all of hair metal's hairspray got traded in for white studded belts.



negative opinions are fine. as long as the are that...opinions. everyone loses that idea. i like a lot of bands 90% of everyone on here hates. i know this. but when people tell me im wrong cuz i like those bands or that those bands suck...its like they are trying to tell me im not allowed to have the opinion that those bands are good. it all goes together that way. you dont have to like a band i like and i dont have to like a band you like. but dont tell me that band sucks...its just stupid.

[GaryCondit]

The guy stated his opinion, and some fact.

FACT:Emo was dead when it started as a genre. The term was used as a joke by the bands that started it in the DC scene. It was all a joke. All these bands are playing are melodic punk rock or melodic hardcore. So in that repect he was right...emo is dead.

He was not right however to bash bands that influenced modern melodic punk and hardcore bands. If TBS and Thursday influenced modern bands then they did something right. They struck a chord with people and when they did it it was fresh and different from everything else. It has become the norm because the bands that are influenced by it haven't tried to add anything (or at least the bands he names).

Either way, this guy is just bashing what he doesn't like and if he doesn't like it he can use his right that all Americans have in this country to STOP LISTENING! Don't buy the records, don't go to shows...go listen to whatever you want and let the kids who like it listen. I chose not to listen to My American Heart and Senses Fail and ATFEH...those bands do nothing for me...but I still listen to Thrice, Thursday, Mae, Copeland and a shitload of other bands lumped into that genre. This guy is just another critic trying to get a reaction out of people who take their music seriously. If you really love the bands then laugh it off and keep listening.

This rant brought to you by Rockstar Energy drink and no sleep due to test cramming.

[SLADE775]

also, equal vision is one of the best labels by far right now (alexisonfire, bear vs shark, circa survive, coheed, fall of troy, fear before the march of flames, etc...)
THE best label right now.

[lostntheseethru]

you're right. I'm just a dickhead supreme Elitist bastard.

taco's?

/sarcasm

where?


right, cuz i said you were being a dickhead right???

slade you know you and i agree on things very rarely but you know ill still listen and take into consideration what you're saying.

[duffe]

I never heard Emma.

[SLADE775]

negative opinions are fine. as long as the are that...opinions. everyone loses that idea. i like a lot of bands 90% of everyone on here hates. i know this. but when people tell me im wrong cuz i like those bands or that those bands suck...its like they are trying to tell me im not allowed to have the opinion that those bands are good. it all goes together that way. you dont have to like a band i like and i dont have to like a band you like. but dont tell me that band sucks...its just stupid.

You're really on the ball today. I'm with you.

I think it's pretty rad that you openly like bands like HH. Like what you want, Fuck the uber::kewl kids.

Hell, I think FATA is better than 3/4 of all the trash thats often praised around here.

right, cuz i said you were being a dickhead right???

slade you know you and i agree on things very rarely but you know ill still listen and take into consideration what you're saying.
We agree on more than you think.

I never heard Emma.
I think they're called "guns like girls" now.

[dead&broken]

Lets all go turn on some trio cause they're cool

[lostntheseethru]

You're really on the ball today. I'm with you.

I think it's pretty rad that you openly like bands like HH. Like what you want, Fuck the uber::kewl kids.

Hell, I think FATA is better than 3/4 of all the trash thats often praised around here.

.


haha i like how liking hawthorne heights has become more of a "sin" than liking good charlotte...

[aidscklove]

Does anyone find this article to be contradicting in a way. Correct me if I'm wrong, but the term emo is described in every form or shape of music. So if emo is dead then the whole industry of music is dead. Let us all listen to robots.

[the_narrator]

the 'if you don't have anything nice to say, don't say anything at all' argument is so ridiculous. so no one is allowed to express a negative opinion? I'm going to have to disagree with you on this. There is a line between saying, "I'm not a fan of this band, becaues their lyrics are.../guitars seem cliche.../etc" or "I disagree with this article because..." and simply posting, "this band blows/they're sellouts/etc." There is a difference between being negative in opinion and being hateful. Still, opinions are good, and they are the reason for this message board.

Also, I have two points. First of all, you stated this:

hair metal was around for a while, people didn't want to admit that it sucked or that it all sounded the same but, looking back, the haters were right: it was really, really lame. I'm not a fan of hair metal, and I was too young to appeciate it when it came out. I look at like like this, remember when you wore that GODAWFUL pair of bright blue shorts or New Kids on the Block shirt or had that shitty haircut in 8th grade? Looking back, you think, "Wow. I was stupid." But you weren't at all. What you had back then made you feel cool, and it made you feel like you belonged somewhere. You were never dumb, but your tastes did evolve and now you have a different view. Years later, I might look back and say, "Really? What was so hot about Thrice?" That doesn't change the fact that right now, my face lights up whenever I hear them play music. I live for right now, not what I'm going to think years later.

Second (not directed towards you snowtires), but everyone needs to get over "emo isn't emo anymore." No. It's not. Genres are stupid, and it's just a weak way of us giving our music a collective name. Rock music is constantly evolving, and in the beginning (according to this History of Rock class) it was really mostly blues and jazz with a bit of energy. If you mean emo as The Promise Ring, Embrace, and SDRE, then yes it is dead, dead, dead. If you mean emo as a brand of music, then I'll say it cannot die, just change. Same in concept, different in technicality.

Sorry to go on. It's interesting to see these replies.

[ALI.v.s.FRAZIER]

is slipknot emo?

[lostntheseethru]

I'm going to have to disagree with you on this. There is a line between saying, "I'm not a fan of this band, becaues their lyrics are.../guitars seem cliche.../etc" or "I disagree with this article because..." and simply posting, "this band blows/they're sellouts/etc." There is a difference between being negative in opinion and being hateful. Still, opinions are good, and they are the reason for this message board.

.




yea thats basically what i was trying to say i just suck at saying it :)

[indieinfo]

Well Jared, thanks for promoting my article. I appreciate the hits.

I'd like to point out a few things. First of all, I wrote that article close to a year ago. The fact that you're bringing it up now is fine, but some of the points are nowhere near as important now than before. In fact I'm quite less concerned with genres as a whole now because I'm more involved in show booking and local promotion anyway.

Secondly, I'm not putting blame towards Thursday, Brand New, or Taking Back Sunday. I enjoy all of those bands (though I'm not that fond of Where You Want to Be), and I certainly don't attach negative feelings towards them. I was pointing out how these three bands were the standards for third generation emo, and their success led to others looking for similar success through similar styles.

Finally, I think it was obviously that I attach the most blame to Victory Records, and I think my argument there is very clear. Absolutepunk definitely proliferates some of the shit, but at least you guys post some concrete, helpful information as well.

Of course you and I are all entitled to our opinions, but I'm extremely amused that Jared felt the need to post this up here. Slow news day eh buddy?

[snowtires]

I'm not a fan of hair metal, and I was too young to appeciate it when it came out. I look at like like this, remember when you wore that GODAWFUL pair of bright blue shorts or New Kids on the Block shirt or had that shitty haircut in 8th grade? Looking back, you think, "Wow. I was stupid." But you weren't at all. What you had back then made you feel cool, and it made you feel like you belonged somewhere. You were never dumb, but your tastes did evolve and now you have a different view. Years later, I might look back and say, "Really? What was so hot about Thrice?" That doesn't change the fact that right now, my face lights up whenever I hear them play music. I live for right now, not what I'm going to think years later.


for the record, i never wore bright blue shorts, liked nkotb or had a shitty haircut in 8th grade. the clothes i wore in 8th grade are the clothes you just bought from goodwill.

[Pat Marquez]

tell these micks they just made my list of things to do today.

Well Jared, thanks for promoting my article. I appreciate the hits.

I'd like to point out a few things. First of all, I wrote that article close to a year ago. The fact that you're bringing it up now is fine, but some of the points are nowhere near as important now than before. In fact I'm quite less concerned with genres as a whole now because I'm more involved in show booking and local promotion anyway.

Secondly, I'm not putting blame towards Thursday, Brand New, or Taking Back Sunday. I enjoy all of those bands (though I'm not that fond of Where You Want to Be), and I certainly don't attach negative feelings towards them. I was pointing out how these three bands were the standards for third generation emo, and their success led to others looking for similar success through similar styles.

Finally, I think it was obviously that I attach the most blame to Victory Records, and I think my argument there is very clear. Absolutepunk definitely proliferates some of the shit, but at least you guys post some concrete, helpful information as well.

Of course you and I are all entitled to our opinions, but I'm extremely amused that Jared felt the need to post this up here. Slow news day eh buddy?
the funny part is you probably don't even know what "real" emo bands are.. so your argument is not valid.. at all

www.fourfa.com

[blinkrules]

i agree this site posts mostly shit except for Brandon who saves the site with some ska news. download Fashion Zombies-The Aquabats!

[lostntheseethru]

tell these micks they just made my list of things to do today.





haha was that just itching you to be said???

[snowtires]

tell these micks they just made my list of things to do today.


the funny part is you probably don't even know what "real" emo bands are.. so your argument is not valid.. at all

www.fourfa.com

actually, he mentions a handful of 'real' emo bands in the article. read it more carefully before you rag on him.

[indieinfo]

tell these micks they just made my list of things to do today.


the funny part is you probably don't even know what "real" emo bands are.. so your argument is not valid.. at all

www.fourfa.com

Did you read my article? Here, let me quote it for you.

"Thursday brought the idea of emotional hardcore back to the foreground after a decade of more indie-emo in bands like The Get Up Kids, The Promise Ring, Cap’n Jazz, Mineral, and of course Sunny Day Real Estate."

I didn't namedrop Rites for Spring, Embrace, and The Moss Icon, but I think the reference was obvious enough.

[snowtires]

i agree this site posts mostly shit except for Brandon who saves the site with some ska news. download Fashion Zombies-The Aquabats!

ska! are ska bands still around?

[the_narrator]

for the record, i never wore bright blue shorts, liked nkotb or had a shitty haircut in 8th grade. the clothes i wore in 8th grade are the clothes you just bought from goodwill. Touche. Well, I did. Well, in elementary school. :) I was a funny-looking kid riddled with insecurity about a lot of things. It's funny how silly things make us feel like we're good enough to be sitting in the same room as the "pretty kids." Some of us actually had moments where we were "uncool."

P.S. I like your clothes that I just bought. My favorite being the parachute-MC-Hammer pants. (Kidding! I'm not a Goodwill type of kid, and I doubt you wore those. I did see a pair of purple ones the other day.)

[Take Heart]

Please. This article is what's wrong with the scene. I'm sick of genres, and people telling me what is "horrible," instead of just letting me judge for myself. If music is based on self-expression, and not solely on corporate dollars, then it cannot be "bad." Sure, I can hate it, but that doesn't make the band bad or what they do worthless. Do I like Senses Fail or ATFEH? No. But that doesn't mean their songs don't mean something to someone.

If you know what's "good," start your own damn band and show me. If you're sick of "emo/screamo/whatever" then listen to indie, visit other local scenes, try everything else. Just don't complain.

My sentiments exactly. I can't STAND people who insist on pigeonholing bands into certain genres. If I like a band, I'm going to listen to it. I don't care whether some elitist prick thinks they copied their sound from TBS or Brand New.


On a side note, I wonder if the author realizes that lots of people who read his article are going to go and check out the bands that he named, and thoroughly enjoy them. He is just furthering the "problem" that he is complaining about.

[snowtires]

Touche. Well, I did. Well, in elementary school. :) I was a funny-looking kid riddled with insecurity about a lot of things. It's funny how silly things make us feel like we're good enough to be sitting in the same room as the "pretty kids." Some of us actually had moments where we were "uncool."

P.S. I like your clothes that I just bought. My favorite being the parachute-MC-Hammer pants. (Kidding! I'm not a Goodwill type of kid, and I doubt you wore those. I did see a pair of purple ones the other day.)

yeah, the parachute pants definitely aren't mine.

[lostntheseethru]

for the record, i never wore bright blue shorts, liked nkotb or had a shitty haircut in 8th grade. the clothes i wore in 8th grade are the clothes you just bought from goodwill.


nah...you would have been doing that in 3rd-5th grade...8th grade would have been the grunge phase.

[snowtires]

nah...you would have been doing that in 3rd-5th grade...8th grade would have been the grunge phase.

grunge... phase? grunge is over?

[Jason Tate]

Jason Tate and Jared Kaufman: Ruining Music Since 1998.

[Jared Kaufman]

Jason Tate and Jared Kaufman: Ruining Music Since 1998.
I am to emo what Carrot Top is to comedy.

[Jason Tate]

I am to emo what Carrot Top is to comedy.
Nice signature bitch.

Dustin looks funny in that picture.

[Jared Kaufman]

Nice signature bitch.

Dustin looks funny in that picture.
The one promo pic MTV always uses for Thrice makes him look funny. Teppei looks mighty sexy in it if I might say so.

[Jason Tate]

The one promo pic MTV always uses for Thrice makes him look funny. Teppei looks mighty sexy in it if I might say so.
Remove thumb from bung-hole Jared.

[marchfaster]

see heres where the problem lies....its all an opinion. plain and simple. what you like, i may not like, and vice versa so instead of always bitching about how horrible a band is IN YOUR OPINION. why not glorify the bands you like. it makes more sense to me to make positive posts about bands than negative ones cuz its always the opinion of the person posting.
this makes sense.
i mean, i do hate most of the music out in the mainstream today, because most of them use a similar structure, yes, i do believe its generic. The thing is...even with simple plan and good charlotte as much as Emma, or whoever the hooks are designed to draw you in, so while i hate the bands for what they stand for (making a quick buck, and being fine with generic music) its hard to actually hate the music they make, you know? cause...its designed to sound good. does that even make sense?

the other thing...i liked this article, i believe emo (the actual emotional hardcore punk of the late 80's..) is dead...possibly the last band that i'd consider emo was american nightmare.
this new stuff, is what the media calls emo, but i dont think it holds true to the actual definition of emo. so sure, like a thorn for every heart, love my american heart or the junior varsity or whoever, its just...at the end of the day...not emo.

[Electric Child]

Amen!

[number1alien]

Heh. I think I'm the only one that totally agrees with this guy.

My American Heart don’t stop there though; they try to alternate with harder songs that act as though the band suddenly wants to be Coheed and Cambria, without the, you know, talent.

That made me laugh.

[marchfaster]

I agree. For the past couple years, any and every "music elitist" has been complaining about "emo is dead" "pop punk is killing the scene" etc. .
why i complain is because i believe in a natural evolution of music.
for example:
elvis and the beatles bring "rock"
the ramones and the clash do something different and start "punk"
rites of spring and fugazi start "emo"
sunny day real estate and mineral kind of end the emo era...bring in the slower stuff.
bands like taking back sunday, thursday, etc started up this fast...harmonic chord single note harmonies of "modern emo"
and right now...there's so many bands copying that, screaming and singing, playing the harmonies on top and whatnot...every band. thats not progressing music at all, its just doing what everyone else is doing.
i try to listen to bands that still push the envelope... the unicorns, make believe, joan of arc, owls, ghosts and vodka, the blood brothers, etc.

[lostntheseethru]

this makes sense.
i mean, i do hate most of the music out in the mainstream today, because most of them use a similar structure, yes, i do believe its generic. The thing is...even with simple plan and good charlotte as much as Emma, or whoever the hooks are designed to draw you in, so while i hate the bands for what they stand for (making a quick buck, and being fine with generic music) its hard to actually hate the music they make, you know? cause...its designed to sound good. does that even make sense?

the other thing...i liked this article, i believe emo (the actual emotional hardcore punk of the late 80's..) is dead...possibly the last band that i'd consider emo was american nightmare.
this new stuff, is what the media calls emo, but i dont think it holds true to the actual definition of emo. so sure, like a thorn for every heart, love my american heart or the junior varsity or whoever, its just...at the end of the day...not emo.


you made sense to me...i just think its stupid to tell someone a band they like sucks. regardless of why you think that band sucks. in the end its your opinion against theirs

[the_narrator]

My sentiments exactly. I can't STAND people who insist on pigeonholing bands into certain genres. If I like a band, I'm going to listen to it. I don't care whether some elitist prick thinks they copied their sound from TBS or Brand New.


On a side note, I wonder if the author realizes that lots of people who read his article are going to go and check out the bands that he named, and thoroughly enjoy them. He is just furthering the "problem" that he is complaining about.
Did that thing I showed you work out properly?

[lostntheseethru]

why i complain is because i believe in a natural evolution of music.
for example:
elvis and the beatles bring "rock"
the ramones and the clash do something different and start "punk"
rites of spring and fugazi start "emo"
sunny day real estate and mineral kind of end the emo era...bring in the slower stuff.
bands like taking back sunday, thursday, etc started up this fast...harmonic chord single note harmonies of "modern emo"
and right now...there's so many bands copying that, screaming and singing, playing the harmonies on top and whatnot...every band. thats not progressing music at all, its just doing what everyone else is doing.
i try to listen to bands that still push the envelope... the unicorns, make believe, joan of arc, owls, ghosts and vodka, the blood brothers, etc.


but you also have to keep in mind that these bands, some of them, arent making music to sound like everyone else....theyve been doing it for a while and because bands like taking back sunday became so big, people started paying attention to their bands too.

[axl rose]

Thats some funny shit, I agree that all those new bands suck but they didn't mention anything about GOOD bands.

[marchfaster]

but you also have to keep in mind that these bands, some of them, arent making music to sound like everyone else....theyve been doing it for a while and because bands like taking back sunday became so big, people started paying attention to their bands too.
but all these new bands coming out are doing the same thing...and a lot of them, i believe are really just doing it because it'll get them popular.

[lostntheseethru]

but all these new bands coming out are doing the same thing...and a lot of them, i believe are really just doing it because it'll get them popular.


yea some are. but not all do that.

[andrewlterry]

The author did make some good points. I'm not sure emo is dying as much as it's changing. All genres change over time. For a band to be innovative, the band members MUST have different influences. If they do, whatever music they are trying to copy will come out a little different. If all 4 or 5 guys come from the same influence, nothing too new or creative is going to come out of it. But as you will see, these copycat bands will be forgotten. The only bands that made something TOTALLY original and un-heard of (which are hardly any, let me know if you can think of any) were never popular during their time. It's when you find that super popular band and draw their influences back. An example that I think might qualify is the Velvet Underground. They were unsuccessful on the financial end, but creative something original and EXTREMELY influential. I think i may have got way off the subject though. Anyways, my point is that it's ok to like immitation bands, because it's just getting more of what we like to hear. However, don't get too angry when people claim they are not very original (because it's mostly true). It takes true musical geniuses to create something original. In my opinion though, the generic music listener doesn't want anything original.


ps: jason tate killed emo

[sopi]

yep yep, whatever, music evolves... like someone said, keep your emo tag, we'll call it something else so those ppl can stop crying about their beloved emo...boo hoo

[Dob]

waht a waste of an article.


doesnt matter whats dead or wahts not, people will still listen to it and like it no matter what. i duno, wahtever.

[Shotinthedark]

lets all get along and listen to some rock.

www.purevolume.com/88milesperhour

[Francese5]

oh boy... well I think the article brought up alot of good points.. most of what this guy said is true.. I happen to be friends with one of the guys in Emma.. we grew up around the same part of jersey and were invovled in diffrent local bands but from the same scene.. his former band "Airkake" came under constant attack for sounding too much like Senses Fail (who also came from the same scene as me and oddly enough didnt get popular till people knew drive thru was signing them).. and if you ask me his current band Guns Like Girls (Emma had to change there name.. long story) doesnt sound too orginal at all... but thats just the way it is... there are always alot of crappy bands in local scenes and in larger scenes that just rip off other bands.. every once in a while you do get some good music that comes out.. emo is far from dead.. you just have to be able to filter out the good from the bad.. and thats always been the case reguardless of the year or style of music you listen to... anyone feel the same?

[waterisshallow]

sad but true. obviously it is difficult to start a whole genre revolution when youre a musical act...but bands like hawthorne heights, senses fail, silverstein, etc. are no match against acts like the red hot chili peppers, or bjork, or the mars volta. many of these "new age emo bands" as eric katz likes to define them just sound so similar that it is frustrating to search for a newer sound.
although, i completely disagree with his comments on saves the day, thursday, and taking back sunday. granted once these acts made it in the music scene their styles were easily copied by newer bands, but thats no reason to scrutinize them.

[byebyebeautiful]

emo is dead. it's not their faults though; it's just the way they were labeled. and props on that title.

xoxo conor

[[Mike]]

I didn't care for that article, but they did get one thing right with their take on "Sounds Like...". I remember picking up a Haste CD because it "sounded like" Glassjaw and Poison The Well, two of my favorite bands. To this day I still can't make either correlation.

[A picasso blue]

half of what he says is true but the other half is so stupid it doesnt make up for it. the names 'Thursday' and 'Taking Back Sunday' don't belong in the same sentence.

[Jason Tate]

The author did make some good points. I'm not sure emo is dying as much as it's changing. All genres change over time. For a band to be innovative, the band members MUST have different influences. If they do, whatever music they are trying to copy will come out a little different. If all 4 or 5 guys come from the same influence, nothing too new or creative is going to come out of it. But as you will see, these copycat bands will be forgotten. The only bands that made something TOTALLY original and un-heard of (which are hardly any, let me know if you can think of any) were never popular during their time. It's when you find that super popular band and draw their influences back. An example that I think might qualify is the Velvet Underground. They were unsuccessful on the financial end, but creative something original and EXTREMELY influential. I think i may have got way off the subject though. Anyways, my point is that it's ok to like immitation bands, because it's just getting more of what we like to hear. However, don't get too angry when people claim they are not very original (because it's mostly true). It takes true musical geniuses to create something original. In my opinion though, the generic music listener doesn't want anything original.


ps: jason tate killed emo
I shot it in the chest and then the head.

[A picasso blue]

I shot it in the chest and then the head.
...after which I proceeded to have sex with it

[Juturna25]

thursday > tbs + my american heart + silverstein

I think emo died for me when i saw a girl at a show with a shirt where she took a marker and wrote all over and it and one part said " music mends broken hearts " and next to that a drawn broken heart.

[clace]

R.I.P.:grim:

[lostntheseethru]

I shot it in the chest and then the head.


ah that was a nice one...

[FreddyKrueger]

so true

by the way get over yourself they only mentioned ap.net once

[DroppedUrPocket]

SWISHA HOUSE

[ForeverInADay]

Fuck people like that. Alright, fine, IT'S NOT EMO. Call it something else; keep your beloved "emo." Give us something else to call it.
how about....Hawthorne Heights, Senses Fail and other bands along those lines are now to be refered to in the genre of 'crap-core'....CXC!!

[Web250]

Ya its been dead for a while now...
That doesn't mean however that the music that is out today isn't good. There is a lot of good pop-punk, and hardcore-ish bands out there.

People just don't want to hear you lecture them on what the genre really is.
ie: I'm in college, the kid accross from me listens to ehhh music. Recently its improved, but for the first three weeks it was FOB/AAR 24/7. He had on Full Collapse yesterday, which I don't even think he understood, and 10 minutes later, he had on Hawthorne Heights...which I despise.

another ie: The guy down the hall from me listens to good music (Thursday, Glassjaw, etc...). But he calls the stuff emo. If I try to tell him its pop-punk or post-hardcore, hes like "F*** you! I dont care" And that is fine, except that everyone else who doesnt even listen to the music thinks its emo...and they wont care to understand either.

[DroppedUrPocket]

how about....Hawthorne Heights, Senses Fail and other bands along those lines are now to be refered to in the genre of 'crap-core'....CXC!!

You eat crap! And you like it!

[drivthru182]

good article.
the truth hurts kids.
purevolume rules, but like the man said, its flooded with HORRIBLE bands.
not just purevolume, the local scene is.
everyone wants to start "screamo-emo-core" bands, and its absolutely terrible.

good music is overshadowed by bands like Hawthorne Heights and Silverstien.
fuck Victory records.

-bradley

Ditto. Where are the Promise Rings, and the Mineral's and the Get Up Kids nowadays?

[Bruycker]

Please. This article is what's wrong with the scene. I'm sick of genres, and people telling me what is "horrible," instead of just letting me judge for myself. If music is based on self-expression, and not solely on corporate dollars, then it cannot be "bad." Sure, I can hate it, but that doesn't make the band bad or what they do worthless. Do I like Senses Fail or ATFEH? No. But that doesn't mean their songs don't mean something to someone.

If you know what's "good," start your own damn band and show me. If you're sick of "emo/screamo/whatever" then listen to indie, visit other local scenes, try everything else. Just don't complain.

just read this post people he knows what he's saying i fully agree

[apex]

Please. This article is what's wrong with the scene. I'm sick of genres, and people telling me what is "horrible," instead of just letting me judge for myself. If music is based on self-expression, and not solely on corporate dollars, then it cannot be "bad."

if the "self-expression" is a blatant copy off of corporate successes.

[marchfaster]

Ditto. Where are the Promise Rings, and the Mineral's and the Get Up Kids nowadays?
polyvinyl records.


and the promise ring is now maritime.

[DroppedUrPocket]

I am to emo what Carrot Top is to comedy.

http://www.thesuperficial.com/archives/ctop_workingout.jpg

This is a very recent picture and not photoshopped.

[HBK42581]

I agree with 95 percent of what this guy had to say. I was lucky that I didn't have to rely on MTV or FUSE to get me into these kinds of tunes. I was a jock at my college radio station all four years and there is where I first heard of TBS and Thursday back in '01/'02.....College radio is still an excellent source for exposure to new and good music.

[Badgers08]

as good as these bands are, im just getting pretty sick of people name dropping bands like sunny day real estate, mineral, jets to brazil, jimmy eat worlds "clarity", etc. and then thinking they know everything about the "emo" genre and can tear apart the current state of it. a lot of people know who these bands are and what they did for the "emo" genre, so throwing them in an article about the death of emo does not make you that much more crebible and knowledgable

[goddamngourd]

sometimes, i think maybe bands play music because they like how it sounds? and the labels see how they sound and decide if it's marketable or not. so we get to see bands like hawthorne heights, who i assume enjoy the music they play, not because its new or whatever, but because the music they write is easily marketable. although it's probably people like me who killed emo and my opinion is vile. who killed ska?

[King Caesar]

this is only true if you let it be
if you let this guy (who i assume has an incredibly high opinion of himself and his "revolutionary" taste in music) define what you are and how you should feel about the scene, he will. the thing is, for most of us, this guy is wrong, i always thought emo was the only acceptable genre because it was what i wanted it to be. whether emo is a lifestyle, a fashion, or your playlist is for you to decide. not some guy who thinks only he holds the key to truly appreciating the roots of Emo as something that left and can never be regained because he said so.

[strummer85]

Who the hell is this guy? Really...where is he from and why on earth did I just read THAT much of what he has to say?

[ArTkY_]

Geoff hates the term emo anyways. :thumbsup:

[HBK42581]

Geoff hates the term emo anyways. :thumbsup:

so does john nolan

[TylerDurden911]

You just got to learn to ignore that sort of thing. Although I agree with some of the things this guy is saying, his whole point becomes the sort of elitist thinking that i really hate about this scene. Listen to what you like, because if it means something to you, that's all that really matters.

[sparksfly]

ok so my american heart is pretty bad but really i saw a lot of moaning, whining, and bitching. plus this article is from 2004.

[the_narrator]

if the "self-expression" is a blatant copy off of corporate successes.
Well, then it isn't self-expression, is it? That would be marketing to your audience. :) I used the word "if" because I understand that there are bands out there that are in it to make money (but I doubt that many. Most bands in this scene aren't very well off, despite what we think). Still, even if the band were doing it for money, a song is a piece of art that means something to a listener. Art starts at one heartbeat and ends at a complete different one, transformed and filtered by personal experiences.

The "blatant copies" would be more of the fault of record labels. I did agree with the writer about Victory record's stickers. That's just silly.

[You Got Owned]

everyone should listen to this providence.

[woobo]

First of all I'd like to say This Providence is amazing, I agree everyone should check them out. Second, people aren't playing in bands to just get rich fast, it's an incredibly hard industry to break into, no matter how generic the music you're playing. If they are out there touring, writing songs they sound similiar to other bands because that is what they love to listen to. Maybe too many bands had the same influences, that would be an ok argument. But they all just want to get wicked rich/thats an ignorant statement. Making it in the industry is way to hard of work for the whole genre to be imitating to be successful.

[To.Die.For.]

yeah, you fuckers at absolutepunk.net kill everything.





Sarcasm, don't hurt me.

[J-town]

I'm far too lazy to read the article and most of the posts here. But it seems that one of the points is that "emo is dead" because bands are copying other bands. That may or may not be true. But the thing that gets me is that the tone seemed to take aim at these "copy-cat" bands. That's pure bollucks! Seriously. Stop and think about it for a second. If you're in a band, don't you think that you'll write the style of music that you happen to like at the moment? If I'm a guitarist who's writing the music - and I'm listening to a lot of Taking Back Sunday, and that's the type of stuff that I like playing, it will obviously have an impact on my writing. If that's copying - then every band in every genre is copying from only one band in that genre. And that's just ridiculous. I mean to think that music is not worthwhile unless it's completely revolutionary is garbage. If that was the case, there'd only be a handful of bands - and chances are, I'd hate most of it, and resort to huffing gas to fill the void.

Bands may be heavily influenced by the leaders of the genre, but they're still writing original music. If they're having fun playing it, and the kids are having fun listening to it, I defy any local newspaper hack musc critic to begrudge them that.

I still don't know what emo really is by the way. This sub-categorization boggles my mind. And I think that the only reason why these scenes "die" is because people get so wrapped up in one of the small scenes that it's bound to burn out. People need to expand their musical horizons, so there will be room for all styles - and people won't get so bloody sick of them. Why can't we all just get along?

[resUrectMe617]

can i be a music elitist, too, daddy? just like him, please...?



he should just stop whining. i'd like to assume that we know what we want to listen to, and so we do it. to each his own. yeah there are those people who eat the horrible junk off purevolume/myspace, and those that support hawthorne heights... but oh well, all we can do is feel sorry for them (and if you don't, well like i said- to each his own).

[GAD_guy]

kinda gotta agree with this article on some points, especially the shit about purevolume and a thorn for every heart. however, he should be blaming the bands like emma and the labels like victory more than brand new, tbs, and thursday. all of those bands are (or were in tbs's case) great bands whose style has been beaten to the ground by hacks and fakes. the funny thing is tbs has become almost an imitation of itself now.

[asamovie]

the term emo is retarded.

[Adeniz19]

i hate elitist fucks like that. music is always evolving and there are still great bands out there. yes there is alot of copy cats, but just deal with it and listen to the music you do like and don't even worry about the labels. TBS, Thursday, and Brand New put out amazing records and now they are to blame? right...

[Stereo Therapy]

how is a musical genre ever alive? its all your own opinion and you can say its dead all you want but you are clearly not looking well enough... emo/emo-influenced bands still put out amazing records (northstar's pollyanna is probably one of my favorites in the genre of all time and it came out last year)

[Selftitled02]

great rushmore reference

[youareallfreaks]

damn they clowned us hard

[smogs]

hahah I thought it said "Elmo has apparently died and you can blame Thursday, Taking Back Sunday, and us here at absolutepunk."

man oh man.
this must be the reason why i need reading glasses.
and have to sit so close to the screen sometimes.
hahahaha.

[Talib Scottie]

hahah I thought it said "Elmo has apparently died and you can blame Thursday, Taking Back Sunday, and us here at absolutepunk."

That would be an interesting arguement.

[Saucey McRib]

I found it interesting he was blaming Thursday and Brand New, calling them shitty, and then said they were all good bands at the end of the article.

I think people forget that this "genre" is the only one left that actually has local shows. I've never gone to a local show and seen a jazz band or a blues act, or anything other than the type of music that we all listen to. So you have to remember that there are shitty bands out there, tons of them, playing in this genre because they can't play country or Hip Hop and still play shows.
So, you have to use sites like this, who pick out the most promising bands (whether you end up liking their style or not), and filter out what you like from there. I thank absolutepunk for allowing me to find bands like Fall of Troy by doing the extra step and informing us on the good shit.

In conclusion, I say that the only way the music you like can die is to turn your back on it like this guy did. I still love Thursday, TBS, and Brand New and nothing anybody else says can change that. This "genre" is loaded with opinions and people fighting over who's good and who's not, and in the end, although it's fun to call bands generic or watered-down, we should support our scene, keep going to shows (no matter how loaded with screamo bands they are) and hope that those stars that turn out to be original and creative are out there.

[Rufio21]

This guy really didnt know too much.. poorly wrote too

[DroppedUrPocket]

damn they clowned us hard

Hahahaha.

[LilJejune]

Does anyone find this article to be contradicting in a way. Correct me if I'm wrong, but the term emo is described in every form or shape of music. So if emo is dead then the whole industry of music is dead. Let us all listen to robots.



Bleep Bleep....Bleep. Forget what that guy said, ATFEH is one of the best and most talented bands out there, Their new cd is going to blow everyone away.

[WaldenDrive]

Www.myspace.com/Waldendrive (http://www.myspace.com/Waldendrive)



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[The Apollo Kid]

off topic but everyone listen to "act appalled" by circa survive.....so good

[gob15]

wow, this guy should just put on his Jawbreaker, Sunny Day, Rites of Spring and Braid records. I bet it would make him feel better a little. I guess he just doesn't want to let his days of collecting 7 inches go. That article is a perfect example of the "i'm more emo/indie/hardcore/DIY than you" attitude that sinks each scene. That attitude did more to hurt emocore than anything any of those bands (TBS, Thursday, GUK or BN) ever did.

[baton]

this article is so idiotic, i can't even imagine, get some distance, fuck :/

[llwin]

some truths and some wrong thoughts..

funny thing is tbs has become almost an imitation of itself now.
this really made me laugh :thumbsup:

[thedood]

see heres where the problem lies....its all an opinion. plain and simple. what you like, i may not like, and vice versa so instead of always bitching about how horrible a band is IN YOUR OPINION. why not glorify the bands you like. it makes more sense to me to make positive posts about bands than negative ones cuz its always the opinion of the person posting.

I believe i did glorify bands i did like. In fact I beleive that was the whole point of my post. Was it not?

I was trying to get this thread going in the direction of discussing original and great bands.

There was my "positive" contribution.

[smogs]

off topic but everyone listen to "act appalled" by circa survive.....so good


circa survive.........so good

[xsham1977x]

What ever happen to the old stuff like The Get up Kids and SUnny Day Real estate.