Bands that used to good but suck now

[413punkguy]

I started this thread because it's all to often I see it happen what band do you know of that totally suck now but used to be great .I'll start it off. AFI in the early days they were intense in your face totaly misfits loving hardcore punks . Later they became more melodic and diverse but still great. but after a while they fell into the typical formula of depressing songs looking like girls and sounding like every other crappy emo band . I see all these scene kids that if I played "total imortal". They would not even know it was the same band .I got an AFI shirt today so I hope nobody assumes I'm some dumb scenester who's is stuck in 2005 . Let me know who else you think lost there touch and why? Sincearly ,John

[viva la cymche!]

the beatles

[413punkguy]

[QUOTE=viva la cymche!;36234252]. I kinds see what your taking about but I was thinking more modern.

[Stephen Chamberlain]

Callisto. New album sucks balls.

Don Caballero went downhill after losing Ian.

[EchoPark]

I do not agree with the OP re AFI at all. Their sound has changed dramatically sure,no question. Davey Havok has some questionable attire issues, I won't disagree with that either, but their music is still important and challenging. To call AFI a scene band when they have been around for 15 years is ridiculous.

[fly_guy]

Every single band ever in the whole world. That is my opinion because that is all this subject consists of.

OPINION

[413punkguy]

You make a few valid points .but no
offense to anyone but about afi . I just feel like they jumped to the emo train I love them I'm just saying December under ground sucked in my opinnion. Idk I just guess well have to wait and see if they can catch my interest. End of discussion.

[413punkguy]

You make a few valid points .but no
offense to anyone but about afi . I just feel like they jumped to the emo train I love them I'm just saying December under ground sucked in my opinnion. Idk I just guess well have to wait and see if they can catch my interest. End of discussion.

[GoWaitInTheCar]

In before "Alkaline Trio" is written.

EDIT : or "Against Me!"

[GoWaitInTheCar]

The Cure
Devendra Banhart

[413punkguy]

In before "Alkaline Trio" is written.

EDIT : or "Against Me!"

Against me! Fuckin rules I'm sick of people bringing down against me! they still rock .

[TheOtherAndrew]

Taking Back Sunday

/obvious

[IWasaCamera]

My Morning Jacket

[GoWaitInTheCar]

Against me! Fuckin rules I'm sick of people bringing down against me! they still rock .

Commas are sweet too.

[pacmanghost x]

Rise Against, IMHO.

[IWasaCamera]

Belle & Sebastian

[Chris Fallon]

Too many spelling errors.

[kianacarly]

I liked The Used's first CD but it kind of went downhill from there. That one is pretty obvious though, I think.

[413punkguy]

I liked The Used's first CD but it kind of went downhill from there. That one is pretty obvious though, I think.

Never liked em

[chipdip18]

U2

[starfallxxx]

Never liked em
there 2nd album stuff is the best. I am so so about them but even i have to say that there are a few songs on there second album that rock

[IWasaCamera]

The Used was never a good band.

[starfallxxx]

they can get wierd on some songs but i mean they have a few songs you have to give them credit for

[413punkguy]

The Used was never a good band.

I know wright!

[hockeyguitar99]

they can get wierd on some songs but i mean they have a few songs you have to give them credit for
No they don't.

[IWasaCamera]

they can get wierd on some songs but i mean they have a few songs you have to give them credit for
Such as?
I know wright!
Wright.

[413punkguy]

Agnostic front . Their all metal and shit now

[hockeyguitar99]

Agnostic front . Their all metal and shit now

Have you ever taken an English class?

[chipdip18]

The Wright Brothers.

[kianacarly]

there 2nd album stuff is the best. I am so so about them but even i have to say that there are a few songs on there second album that rock

Seriously? You'd pick their second album over their first? This band gets a lot of shit but I did enjoy their first album a lot, though I haven't broken it out in a while...

[Jumpoff]

In before "Alkaline Trio" is written.

EDIT : or "Against Me!"

While you're tearing down my list man, might as well say "Green Day".

[SkiesSo Blue]

Thursday......Full Collapse was great THEEEEEN downfall..

[kianacarly]

Thursday......Full Collapse was great THEEEEEN downfall..

Disagree so much.

[413punkguy]

While you're tearing down my list man, might as well say "Green Day".

I'm not 14 any more can we drop the topic of green day please .

[SkiesSo Blue]

Disagree so much.

thats the beauty of america!!!!
=]

[BlinkxExists21]

taking back sunday and afi

[hockeyguitar99]

Thursday......Full Collapse was great THEEEEEN downfall..
False.

Waiting < Full Collapse < War All The Time < ACBTLD

Common Existence TDB.

I actually love Full Collapse and everything on, even though I think it was a great record, the other two are better.

[hockeyguitar99]

I'm not 14 any more can we drop the topic of green day please .

So, just because you don't care about the band anymore means that someone can't say they've fallen off?

That doesn't make sense.

[chipdip18]

I also disagree about Thursday. I can't get into anything before WATT really.

[kianacarly]

thats the beauty of america!!!!
=]

I suppose...

Full Collapse was a great album, but so are their others. I have yet to open Common Existence, but I really enjoy this band.

[SkiesSo Blue]

"I actually love Full Collapse and everything on, even though I think it was a great record, the other two are better."

False

[softhands]

Saosin.

[chipdip18]

Everyone agrees about Saosin.

[kianacarly]

The Academy Is...

I enjoyed Almost Here, thought Santi was just okay, but Barrington High was a big let down. I don't think they suck now (I really like Winter Passing and Barrington High had a few okay songs) but I definitely don't enjoy them as much as I used to.

[SkiesSo Blue]

its not like im dissing Thursday i love them as a band but its my opinion that full collapse was their best album and i dont listen to any of the rest cause IN MY OPINION they sucked...sorry but thats just what i think

[chipdip18]

its not like im dissing Thursday i love them as a band but its my opinion that full collapse was their best album and i dont listen to any of the rest cause IN MY OPINION they sucked...sorry but thats just what i think

Which is cool. We can all discuss it now.

[SkiesSo Blue]

Saosin.

i agree 100%

[softhands]

Everyone agrees about Saosin.

I thought I would pick an easy one, it's kind of hard for them, still trying to be what Anthony created.

I think they shouldn't be allowed to play anything from Translating the Name.

[413punkguy]

So, just because you don't care about the band anymore means that someone can't say they've fallen off?

That doesn't make sense.

No prick I've been listing to green day since you were a sperm so shut up I love green day . My point is I'm sick of people saying they sold out or what ever it's a debate that will never end .

[softhands]

New Found Glory will never suck!

[413punkguy]

http://www.fan2band.com/di/epitaph/newfoundglory/126782_2500_43_3280.jpg (http://www.fan2band.com/dl/epitaph/newfoundglory/126782_2500_43_3280)

That's just kinda sad it reminds me of a magazine cover I saw today it featured the singer from atrau standing in full u f c gear with chuck lidell.

[kianacarly]

New Found Glory will never suck!

Haha, I couldn't tell if they were dissing the band or promoting them. But if it's the first one I'll be sad.

[Jumpoff]

No prick I've been listing to green day since you were a sperm so shut up I love green day . My point is I'm sick of people saying they sold out or what ever it's a debate that will never end .

Uhh I never said they sold out, I just think they haven't been as good as they should be since Dookie/Insomniac...

[softhands]

It is just a promo, but still they will never suck.

[kianacarly]

It is just a promo, but still they will never suck.

Mmmk good to know. You can never be too sure, it being the interwebz and all...

[413punkguy]

Uhh I never said they sold out, I just think they haven't been as good as they should be since Dookie/Insomniac...

Yeah I know you never said they sold out. And any true green day fan will agree with you on the fact that american idioit was no where near as good.

[413punkguy]

Tiger Army they stoped being a great unique band and started sounding like everything else

[BlinkxExists21]

No prick I've been listing to green day since you were a sperm so shut up I love green day . My point is I'm sick of people saying they sold out or what ever it's a debate that will never end .

you've been listening to green day since you were one? what?

[kianacarly]

Tiger Army they stoped being a great unique band and started sounding like everything else

Oh wow. I completely forgot about Tiger Army. Guess I wasn't missing much?

[413punkguy]

you've been listening to green day since you were one? what?

My dad had dokie on casette so more like 4 but yeah a long time man

[Ziro]

AFI: They were punk, now they're pop-punk. (and no, I'm not saying that because they became more popular, they really sound like sucky mainstream rock now)

[domotime2]

Uhh I never said they sold out, I just think they haven't been as good as they should be since Dookie/Insomniac...
i liked Nimrod. it's right up there I felt.


The Ataris? I feel like it's a cliche answer. Fuk my life.

[domotime2]

AFI: They were punk, now they're pop-punk. (and no, I'm not saying that because they became more popular, they really sound like sucky mainstream rock now)
techno.

[413punkguy]

techno.

Emo

[eliselovesmusic]

Sooo... who's gonna be the first to say fall Out Boy?


I would have to say 100% Panic at the Disco. I waited outside the record store to by Pretty.Odd. and thought I'd brought the wrong CD when I listened to it.

[eliselovesmusic]

i liked Nimrod. it's right up there I felt.



Oh hell yes!

[AussieBoy]

I do not agree with the OP re AFI at all. Their sound has changed dramatically sure,no question. Davey Havok has some questionable attire issues, I won't disagree with that either, but their music is still important and challenging. To call AFI a scene band when they have been around for 15 years is ridiculous.

ken oath!!! AFI are pioneers of theyre genre not some sceney flash in the pan.. plus i really liked their past 2 albums perhaps more than the melodic hardcore of the 90s

[413punkguy]

ken oath!!! AFI are pioneers of theyre genre not some sceney flash in the pan.. plus i really liked their past 2 albums perhaps more than the melodic hardcore of the 90s

Hell yeah

[spriltsc]

Sooo... who's gonna be the first to say fall Out Boy?


I would have to say 100% Panic at the Disco. I waited outside the record store to by Pretty.Odd. and thought I'd brought the wrong CD when I listened to it.
dude that CD sucked balls.

[AussieBoy]

I also disagree about Thursday. I can't get into anything before WATT really.

im the same, i only liked WATT, not huge fan of the one after just War

[AussieBoy]

Everyone agrees about Saosin.

na im the opposite, i like Cove and the debut album the best.. Anthonys voice reminds me of my screeching year 11 math teacher

[EchoPark]

na im the opposite, i like Cove and the debut album the best.. Anthonys voice reminds me of my screeching year 11 math teacher


LOL, Yeah I much prefer Saosin with Cove Reber.

[sweepthenation]

The Academy Is. Almost Here is one of the best pop/punk albums ever, and Santi was awful, and I found Fast Times At Barrington High as very bland generic pop/punk, where many of the songs sounded the same

[Nettn07]

Fall Out Boy; they used to be pop/punk, now they're crap.
and AFI

[SkiesSo Blue]

LOL, Yeah I much prefer Saosin with Cove Reber.

Thats different for everyone cause if you listened to saosin when they first started you fell in love with anthony but for people who started listening to the end of saosin not really into anthony then cove comes of course your going to like it better with him...its just a mental thing for me when i hear saosin i think automatically anthony because i've been listening since forever so its like no one can replace..im not saying cove is good cause he is an amazing singer i just think its different for everyone and in my opinion saosin is Anthony Green..

[EchoPark]

i just think its different for everyone and in my opinion saosin is Anthony Green..

I respect your opinion.

I first heard Saosin w/ Anthony Green back when their first EP was released in '03 or '04 and it caught my attention but I was not really greatly impressed with it and when their full length self titled dropped in '06 I have listened to it through and through many times.And the fact that Cove Reber does not scream once on the S/T is a plus

I much prefer Anthony Green with Circa and his solo work. I just don't think his voice was suited to that type of heavier music.

[hockeyguitar99]

No prick I've been listing to green day since you were a sperm so shut up I love green day . My point is I'm sick of people saying they sold out or what ever it's a debate that will never end .

So you were listening to Green Day when you were three? HXC! You are forgetting, however, that nobody said they sold out, and someone just said that they have fallen off. Their style changed and become much more mainstream friendly, you can't really debate that, and a lot of people weren't happy with it. But you can be a little bitch about it if you want.

[4nthony!]

My Morning Jacket

This upsets me.

[Regards]

This thread brought a few lulz.

[pennie]

The Cure (sadly)
TBS
FOB
Bloc Party

All the usuals.

[413punkguy]

So you were listening to Green Day when you were three? HXC! You are forgetting, however, that nobody said they sold out, and someone just said that they have fallen off. Their style changed and become much more mainstream friendly, you can't really debate that, and a lot of people weren't happy with it. But you can be a little bitch about it if you want.

Who are you bull whiting everyone I know said they sold out at the time .

[413punkguy]

The Cure (sadly)
TBS
FOB
Bloc Party

All the usuals.

Totally forgot about bloc party but your right

[413punkguy]

The Cure (sadly)
TBS
FOB
Bloc Party

All the usuals.

Totally forgot about bloc party but your right

[brwnhawaiin]

brand new, TDAG doesn't even compare to YFW, and deja just sucks.

[ThisIsNotDan]

brand new, TDAG doesn't even compare to YFW.

yeah it doesn't compare because it is alot better

[fenderkid212]

brand new, TDAG doesn't even compare to YFW, and deja just sucks.

What? YFW is complete trash compared to Deja and TDAG. If you like YFW for nostalgic reasons thats fine, but seriously, that is a terrible record, especially compared to Deja and TDAG

[kwsqd]

Thursday......Full Collapse was great THEEEEEN downfall..
False.

Waiting < Full Collapse < War All The Time < ACBTLD

Common Existence TDB.

I actually love Full Collapse and everything on, even though I think it was a great record, the other two are better.
I also disagree about Thursday. I can't get into anything before WATT really.
its not like im dissing Thursday i love them as a band but its my opinion that full collapse was their best album and i dont listen to any of the rest cause IN MY OPINION they sucked...sorry but thats just what i think
im the same, i only liked WATT, not huge fan of the one after just War
Although I think Full Collapse is their best work, they do not suck now. That is ridiculous.

FC > WATT > ACBTLD > Waiting

[IWasaCamera]

This upsets me.
Not nearly as much as Evil Urges upsets me.

[Claisease]

Papa Roach used to sayi screw money and uneeded possesions. Now look at them.

[SkiesSo Blue]

I respect your opinion.

I first heard Saosin w/ Anthony Green back when their first EP was released in '03 or '04 and it caught my attention but I was not really greatly impressed with it and when their full length self titled dropped in '06 I have listened to it through and through many times.And the fact that Cove Reber does not scream once on the S/T is a plus

I much prefer Anthony Green with Circa and his solo work. I just don't think his voice was suited to that type of heavier music.

I love anthonys solo work and i think your right with the heavier stuff, i mean he can do it but its just not really him...i guess i just miss TTN is all haha =]

[SkiesSo Blue]

Although I think Full Collapse is their best work, they do not suck now. That is ridiculous.

FC > WATT > ACBTLD > Waiting

You may think they dont which is cool but i think they do...i cannot sit there and listen to a single song off their new album..

[hockeyguitar99]

Who are you bull whiting everyone I know said they sold out at the time .

I'm not bull whiting anyone! Despite your typo, the person you quoted did not say that they sold out which made your statement irrelevant.

[413punkguy]

I'm not bull whiting anyone! Despite your typo, the person you quoted did not say that they sold out which made your statement irrelevant.

What ever it's over end of discussion

[hockeyguitar99]

What ever it's over end of discussion

Yes, master.

[lovelikearose]

Taking Back Sunday

/obvious


i like all of their music, but old school taking back sunday beats the new stuff up by miles.

[lovelikearose]

Fall Out Boy...


i'll love them no matter what and always think they're awesome.....but their older stuff is the best, like I like their From Under the Cork Tree album, and everything they released before that. Infinity On High has good songs too, but I never went and bought the CD, Their Beat It cover is pretty sweet and on Folie A Deux, the only song I've heard from that is the single I Don't Care, and I've never sat down and listened to it all the way through, just heard clips on the radio and stuff.

Take This To Your Grave is awesome.


Fall Out Boy is your example of talented people who started out as just your average Midwestern people, and now they (or atleast Pete) have nice cars and hollywood mansions and songs on the radio and crazy teens chasing them (lol, like me), and Pete married a pop star....I mean...who would've guessed?

Now they have tourbuses and not that crappy white van they crashed.

And I'm sure they worked really hard for it all, but it's like...whoa.

[PriviteEye]

I think people are mixing up changed with sucking. Bands like Alkaline Trio have maybe changed their sound over the last few albums, but that doesn't automatically mean they're no good anymore. People change, so a bands sound is bound to change with that. Just my thought though.

[zion the lion]

Weezer. I liked them when I was younger and then they came back and it was just...blah, for me at least.
Greenday, I love dookie, my aunt used to play it for me when I was little as a contrast to 2pac but american idiot felt like they were trying too hard to me.
Both of those are my opinion though.

[spriltsc]

i'm sorry. you missed a "be" in the title of this topic and i had to mention it.

[hockeyguitar99]

Papa Roach used to sayi screw money and uneeded possesions. Now look at them.

Papa Roach have always sucked...

[hockeyguitar99]

I think people are mixing up changed with sucking. Bands like Alkaline Trio have maybe changed their sound over the last few albums, but that doesn't automatically mean they're no good anymore. People change, so a bands sound is bound to change with that. Just my thought though.

Except people think they've changed their sound too a worse version. It doesn't automatically mean they're not good, but it doesn't mean that it's good either.

[GuitarR0cker1]

Saves The Day

They don't exactly suck, I enjoyed UTB and STA but they have certainly gone downhill in quality since Stay What You Are.

[sfzdrummer]

metallica 100%
everything was good until they came out with St. Anger, then everything went downhill (in my opinion).

[MusicOwnsMySoul]

Panic At The Disco.
Their old stuff was good and unique. But now they're just a bit too Beatles-y for my taste.

[413punkguy]

Panic At The Disco.
Their old stuff was good and unique. But now they're just a bit too Beatles-y for my taste.

Beatles like r u 4 real . Dude panic at the disco have sucked since day one .

[cauterize_this]

Anberlin!

They're still prettey good, but their latest album is nothing compared to before..

[hockeyguitar99]

Panic At The Disco.
Their old stuff was good and unique. But now they're just a bit too Beatles-y for my taste.

Their first album wasn't good or unique and Pretty. Odd. was millions of miles better.

[anthonydarko]

Their first album wasn't good or unique and Pretty. Odd. was millions of miles better.
This

[kianacarly]

I don't think Fall Out Boy suck now at all. Folie is such a solid album.

[softhands]

Panic! was never good.

[thiseternalsnow]

Funeral For A Friend. I just can't get into the latest two albums...

[undonesweater93]

Panic At The Disco.
Their old stuff was good and unique. But now they're just a bit too Beatles-y for my taste.
I could not disagree more. Their new stuff is pretty awesome. I hope to see some more beatlesy stuff in their future... because "Lying Is the Most fun..." is probably one of the worst songs i've ever heard.

[kianacarly]

I always thought Panic was okay. Not an amazing band, but better than a lot of bands out there. I do like Northern Downpour though.

[kianacarly]

I could not disagree more. Their new stuff is pretty awesome. I hope to see some more beatlesy stuff in their future... because "Lying Is the Most fun..." is probably one of the worst songs i've ever heard.

I hate that song. Every time he sings "let's get these teen hearts beating faster, faster" it makes me cringe.

[brwnhawaiin]

What? YFW is complete trash compared to Deja and TDAG. If you like YFW for nostalgic reasons thats fine, but seriously, that is a terrible record, especially compared to Deja and TDAG


lol, relax guys. i figured ppl would be able to tell i was kidding. check out my profile. TDAG blows everything away that brand new has done. Deja is great as well, but deja makes it sound like boys making music, and they are men on TDAG. but deja did the same for YFW too. anyways, i love all brand new.

[chipdip18]

I could not disagree more. Their new stuff is pretty awesome. I hope to see some more beatlesy stuff in their future... because "Lying Is the Most fun..." is probably one of the worst songs i've ever heard.

I heard they're moving on to do a Metal album next.

[hockeyguitar99]

I don't think I've seen U2 yet, and I think thats a big one. They are pretty washed up now.

[413punkguy]

I don't think I've seen U2 yet, and I think thats a big one. They are pretty washed up now.

Yeah I agree they should end it

[hockeyguitar99]

Yeah I agree they should end it

New album is okay, but they should have hung it up a while ago.

[413punkguy]

New album is okay, but they should have hung it up a while ago.

I personally don'T enjoy them but I can see y people do

[Deadwomb88]

Bloc Party (i.e. Intimacy)

and to anyone who says Green Day didn't sell out: They did.

[hockeyguitar99]

Bloc Party (i.e. Intimacy)

and to anyone who says Green Day didn't sell out: They did.

That can't possibly be stated as fact. From a fans perspective, selling out is all a point of view. No fan can ever truly know if a band sold out or not on their own. Selling out includes deliberately changing your sound for the purpose of making more money. Nobody except the band themselves can actually know if they sold out or not.

[what_ever]

guns n roses

[Jumpoff]

Bloc Party (i.e. Intimacy)

and to anyone who says Green Day didn't sell out: They did.

Because, you know, they hadn't already sold 10 million records with Dookie alone. They totally had to change to make money right?

[hockeyguitar99]

Because, you know, they hadn't already sold 10 million records with Dookie alone. They totally had to change to make money right?

While I disagree with what he said, Warning was a commercial failure, and another 12 million (which is what I think American Idiot sold) records can't hurt.

[Jumpoff]

While I disagree with what he said, Warning was a commercial failure, and another 12 million (which is what I think American Idiot sold) records can't hurt.

Every single album Green Day put out has gone gold or more, prior to American Idiot being released. Dookie went 10x plat, Nimrod went 2x plat, Kerplunk/Warning/1039 Smooth all went gold (two of those being on an indie label, which probably meant a lot of money)...

Sure, Warning going Gold was quite a bit less than 10x plat or 2x plat, but Gold is still far from being a commercial failure..

[Deadwomb88]

That can't possibly be stated as fact. From a fans perspective, selling out is all a point of view. No fan can ever truly know if a band sold out or not on their own. Selling out includes deliberately changing your sound for the purpose of making more money. Nobody except the band themselves can actually know if they sold out or not.

OMGZ, i almost forgot how "Punk Rock" Green Day coffee tables, watches, skateboards, action figures, shoes, scarves, belt buckles, license plate frames, and keychains are!

they sold out their "image", made a "come back", applied some eye-liner, and became corporate puppets to make a quick buck.

Capitalism is so punk.

and for the record i've always hated this band.

[Jumpoff]

OMGZ, i almost forgot how "Punk Rock" Green Day coffee tables, watches, skateboards, action figures, shoes, scarves, belt buckles, license plate frames, and keychains are!

they sold out their "image", made a "come back", applied some eye-liner, and became corporate puppets to make a quick buck.

Capitalism is so punk.

and for the record i've always hated this band.

They might've always made bad music to you but they never sold out. That doesn't even make sense, they never touted DIY ethics in the first place.

[Deadwomb88]

They might've always made bad music to you but they never sold out. That doesn't even make sense, they never touted DIY ethics in the first place.

how is a song like "American Idiot" a song that was made strictly to make 12 year olds to wet themselves not "selling out"

they market themselves as "Anit-american PUNX" but they literally embody everything that "song" is supposed be against. it's trash.

[Jumpoff]

how is a song like "American Idiot" a song that was made strictly to make 12 year olds to wet themselves not "selling out"

they market themselves as "Anit-american PUNX" but they literally embody everything that "song" is supposed be against. it's trash.

Still not sell outs.
But whatever. Not worth arguing over :-|

[hockeyguitar99]

Every single album Green Day put out has gone gold or more, prior to American Idiot being released. Dookie went 10x plat, Nimrod went 2x plat, Kerplunk/Warning/1039 Smooth all went gold (two of those being on an indie label, which probably meant a lot of money)...

Sure, Warning going Gold was quite a bit less than 10x plat or 2x plat, but Gold is still far from being a commercial failure..

I think in the eyes of the label it was. It's all expectations, and if they expected them to sell 2 million records, and you only go Gold, people aren't gonna be happy.

[hockeyguitar99]

how is a song like "American Idiot" a song that was made strictly to make 12 year olds to wet themselves not "selling out"

they market themselves as "Anit-american PUNX" but they literally embody everything that "song" is supposed be against. it's trash.

But you can't prove to me that they recorded that song just because they wanted money. Therefore, you have no actual idea what you're talking about. I've never seen them as anti-american punk, nobody even sees them as punk.

[Heroin Robot]

Paramore

[Praetor]

Totally forgot about bloc party but your right
After letting it sit with me, I have come to the conclusion that Weekend is way better than Silent Alarm. But Intimacy is definitely weaker than both.
Saves The Day

They don't exactly suck, I enjoyed UTB and STA but they have certainly gone downhill in quality since Stay What You Are.
The other day I downloaded Under the Boards on a whim and was surprised to find that I didn't hate it as much as I did when it leaked. Sound the Alarm is total trash though.

[brwnhawaiin]

i think its funny how ppl say greenday sold out with American Idiot. But ppl said they sold out with dookie came out, cuz they werent punk enough.

[PenThrive]

its not like im dissing Thursday i love them as a band but its my opinion that full collapse was their best album and i dont listen to any of the rest cause IN MY OPINION they sucked...sorry but thats just what i think


Nice avatar.

[PenThrive]

Taking Back Sunday
Weezer
MxPx

[IWasaCamera]

Silver Jews called it quits two records late.

[baberry]

Taking Back Sunday is the epitome of this.

[gnarly sky]

Taking Back Sunday.
Bury Your Dead.
Through The Eyes of the Dead.

[love_american_style]

soooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooo ooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooo ooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooo ooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooo ooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooo many bands.

[ugman_2000]

After letting it sit with me, I have come to the conclusion that Weekend is way better than Silent Alarm. But Intimacy is definitely weaker than both.

The other day I downloaded Under the Boards on a whim and was surprised to find that I didn't hate it as much as I did when it leaked. Sound the Alarm is total trash though.

Totally agree with this, Weekend is by far my favorite of there's, I've managed to miss this band two years in a row at reading festival due to clashing with other bands I'd rather of seen - still hope to catch them at some point though I've heard they are good live

[kearn1tm]

Every single band ever in the whole world. That is my opinion because that is all this subject consists of.

OPINION

Of course. Many threads on this board are. What's your point?

[kearn1tm]

Damien Jurado
Built to Spill
The Dismemberment Plan
The Fiery Furnaces
Bright Eyes
The New Pornographers

[ksmitty1223]

umm

red jumpsuit apparatus was sick for their debut then blew it
idk there are so many it happens to most bands at some point

[app]

IMO Silverstein's latest album (Arrivals & Departures) wasn't quite up to par, but I wouldn't necessarily sucked. Hopefully the new one will be a little better. What I've heard so far is, so I've got high hopes.

[IWasaCamera]

Most of these bands were never good in the first place.

[AntsInMyPants92]

taking back sunday does it for me

[kearn1tm]

Most of these bands were never good in the first place.

Um Vinh, Silverstein was amazing in the day. I don't know if your memory is capable of extending all the way back to 2005, but they were the driving force of change in music. You smiiiiiiiile in your sleeeeeeeeeeeeexxxxeeep!!!

That's how we got shit done in 2005. Fucking kids.

[harveymonster]

TBS, sad to admit. Also I used to like Fall Out Boy way more than I do now. but I can't whine about bands not sounding exactly like their first record..bands are supposed to mature and change I guess

[kearn1tm]

To all those rattling off faux-pop punk bands and your favorite metalcoreasaurus acts,

These bands were never good to begin with.

Cheers,
Todd Kearns

[Iceman_997]

Definatly Green Day. Their old stuff is classic punk.

[zion the lion]

To all those rattling off faux-pop punk bands and your favorite metalcoreasaurus acts,

These bands were never good to begin with.

Cheers,
Todd Kearns


I thought this thread was about opinion, not one or two people becoming the deciding voice on what was good and wasnt good.




And Fall out boy is one of the biggest sell out bands of this decade. I liked one or two songs from their first album but then their bass players nasty ass naked body was all over the internet (which I think he did on purpose) and they blew up. I was watching tv the other day and saw one of their music videos and I've never seen so much product placement for huge companies in one music video ever. No other band has sold out compared to them.

[kearn1tm]

I thought this thread was about opinion, not one or two people becoming the deciding voice on what was good and wasnt good.

Then why are you contradicting yourself with the following statement?




And Fall out boy is one of the biggest sell out bands of this decade. I liked one or two songs from their first album but then their bass players nasty ass naked body was all over the internet (which I think he did on purpose) and they blew up. I was watching tv the other day and saw one of their music videos and I've never seen so much product placement for huge companies in one music video ever. No other band has sold out compared to them.

You're telling us Fall Out Boy isn't good because, according to you, they've "sold out."

Do put more thought into your next rebuttal.

[|adr3naLine|]

You're telling us Fall Out Boy isn't good because, according to you, they've "sold out."

Do put more thought into your next rebuttal.
Exactly. I've seen Miley Cyrus all but naked, doesn't mean her music was good before that.

[zion the lion]

Then why are you contradicting yourself with the following statement?






You're telling us Fall Out Boy isn't good because, according to you, they've "sold out."

Do put more thought into your next rebuttal.


Yes according to me. As in it's my opinion. I thought that by my earlier statement it was obvious what I was saying was my opinion. But I'll put IMO after every little thing I say (IMO) to make you a happy boy (IMO)

[zion the lion]

Exactly. I've seen Miley Cyrus all but naked, doesn't mean her music was good before that.

I'm saying that his naked pictures got them more publicity. Just like a lot of people (who werent parents of kids who watched disney) started really finding out who Miley Cyrus was after her pictures came out.

EDIT: IMO (just for you kiddo)

[|adr3naLine|]

I'm saying that his naked pictures got them more publicity. Just like a lot of people (who werent parents of kids who watched disney) started really finding out who Miley Cyrus was after her pictures came out.

EDIT: IMO (just for you kiddo)
What album did his pictures come out during? Haha I completely forgot about those shenanigans.

[zion the lion]

What album did his pictures come out during? Haha I completely forgot about those shenanigans.



Ohhh jesus I have no idea when any of their albums came out but the pictures had to have been 2 years ago. I would google it but I'm lazy.

[|adr3naLine|]

Ohhh jesus I have no idea when any of their albums came out but the pictures had to have been 2 years ago. I would google it but I'm lazy.
Yeah as am I. Nor do I really care that much haha. Folie was a solid album.

[IWasaCamera]

Um Vinh, Silverstein was amazing in the day. I don't know if your memory is capable of extending all the way back to 2005, but they were the driving force of change in music. You smiiiiiiiile in your sleeeeeeeeeeeeexxxxeeep!!!

That's how we got shit done in 2005. Fucking kids.
Must have missed it during my Bayside craze. Can get so wrapped up in those tunes.
I thought this thread was about opinion, not one or two people becoming the deciding voice on what was good and wasnt good.
I thought anyone with a functional brain could discern the implicit "in my opinion" which prefaces every post regarding quality on this forum.
Yes according to me. As in it's my opinion. I thought that by my earlier statement it was obvious what I was saying was my opinion. But I'll put IMO after every little thing I say (IMO) to make you a happy boy (IMO)
You're entitled to yours, we aren't. Thanks for the insight.

[zion the lion]

Must have missed it during my Bayside craze. Can get so wrapped up in those tunes.

I thought anyone with a functional brain could discern the implicit "in my opinion" which prefaces every post regarding quality on this forum.

You're entitled to yours, we aren't. Thanks for the insight.


Yes because I am god.

[IWasaCamera]

Why did you let Dylan record in the 80s?

[zion the lion]

I somehow forgot about Dance Gavin Dance, I never thought they were earth shatteringly great but Johnny's voice was different and it was kind of fun. But then they kicked him out and got that new singer, made that cd which sounded like they were trying way too hard to say dgd made Johnny not the other way around. Then half the band left and their new guy was talking shit about Emarosa which only made them suck (personality wise).

As for Dylan, why cant people learn a little phrase called past their prime? Is it that hard to just retire?

[thespearkid]

I really wish every post in this thread didn't have "in my opinion" in it. No shit, it's your opinion. And just because it's your opinion doesn't mean no one has the right to say argue against it.

Anyway, I'm going to go with Say Anything. ...Is a Real Boy is probably the record that got me into this type of music in the first place but IDOTG and Two Tongues (yeah, I know it's not really the same band) were just such boring, unoriginal records. It sort of seems like Max Bemis is just imitating himself these days. The new record is probably going to be just as bad as In Defense or worse, judging from Bemis' statements about the record.

[thespearkid]

I somehow forgot about Dance Gavin Dance, I never thought they were earth shatteringly great but Johnny's voice was different and it was kind of fun. But then they kicked him out and got that new singer, made that cd which sounded like they were trying way too hard to say dgd made Johnny not the other way around. Then half the band left and their new guy was talking shit about Emarosa which only made them suck (personality wise).

As for Dylan, why cant people learn a little phrase called past their prime? Is it that hard to just retire?
Dylan can still write circles around most musicians making music today.

[swt_catastrophe]

I thought I would pick an easy one, it's kind of hard for them, still trying to be what Anthony created.

I think they shouldn't be allowed to play anything from Translating the Name.
I completely agree. I saw them open for UnderOATH in November, and they closed with "Seven Years".
I was pissed.
To all those rattling off faux-pop punk bands and your favorite metalcoreasaurus acts,

These bands were never good to begin with.

Cheers,
Todd Kearns
lol.
I thought this thread was about opinion, not one or two people becoming the deciding voice on what was good and wasnt good.




And Fall out boy is one of the biggest sell out bands of this decade. I liked one or two songs from their first album but then their dy was all obass players nasty ass naked bover the internet (which I think he did on purpose) and they blew up. I was watching tv the other day and saw one of their music videos and I've never seen so much product placement for huge companies in one music video ever. No other band has sold out compared to them.
umm.. pete wentz?

and take debate.. weak argument.

EDIT: apparently it's already been said.
I really wish every post in this thread didn't have "in my opinion" in it. No shit, it's your opinion. And just because it's your opinion doesn't mean no one has the right to say argue against it.

Anyway, I'm going to go with Say Anything. ...Is a Real Boy is probably the record that got me into this type of music in the first place but IDOTG and Two Tongues (yeah, I know it's not really the same band) were just such boring, unoriginal records. It sort of seems like Max Bemis is just imitating himself these days. The new record is probably going to be just as bad as In Defense or worse, judging from Bemis' statements about the record.
because it's worth saying again.

[zion the lion]

I completely agree. I saw them open for UnderOATH in November, and they closed with "Seven Years".
I was pissed.

lol.

umm.. pete wentz?

and take debate.. weak argument.

EDIT: apparently it's already been said.

because it's worth saying again.


Lame excuse but I dropped my laptop quite a few times and the keyboard is screwed up so half of the word basically have to be punched to work. I wouldnt take debate unless someone paid me, I have public speaking issues. How is my argument any weaker than just saying someones argument was weak? I said I thought he took the naked pictures for publicity, and then I said theres product placment in their music videos (which they get paid for), doesnt seem that weak.

[Jefferson Rank]

Lame excuse but I dropped my laptop quite a few times and the keyboard is screwed up so half of the word basically have to be punched to work. I wouldnt take debate unless someone paid me, I have public speaking issues. How is my argument any weaker than just saying someones argument was weak? I said I thought he took the naked pictures for publicity, and then I said theres product placment in their music videos (which they get paid for), doesnt seem that weak.

Even with that, they're still better then a LOT of authentic bands. I don't care what kind of pictures are on the internet as long as they make good music. You can't see product placement through headphones, so what's the problem? They're just trying to make some music, and some cash while they're at it.

And why else would he have taken the pics exept for publicity? The dude knows how to market himself.

Now he just needs to learn to play bass.

[nnyisgod_269]

I started this thread because it's all to often I see it happen what band do you know of that totally suck now but used to be great .I'll start it off. AFI in the early days they were intense in your face totaly misfits loving hardcore punks . Later they became more melodic and diverse but still great. but after a while they fell into the typical formula of depressing songs looking like girls and sounding like every other crappy emo band . I see all these scene kids that if I played "total imortal". They would not even know it was the same band .I got an AFI shirt today so I hope nobody assumes I'm some dumb scenester who's is stuck in 2005 . Let me know who else you think lost there touch and why? Sincearly ,John




I feel that old AFI is MUCH better than the new stuff the put out. Like with the Art OF Drowinf (one of my favorite albums fo all time) but i can rock out to alot of the shit on decemberunderground, especially the faster sons like Kill Cuastic and Affliction.

Aiden did somethin very similar, Their first album Our Gangs Dark Oath was very heavy and fast. Then Nightmare anatomy was still fast sorta but not as heavy, and Conviction was like a completely different band. Liek Extremely Soft and really like....w.e

[nnyisgod_269]

I liked The Used's first CD but it kind of went downhill from there. That one is pretty obvious though, I think.


YESH!. i liek mabey memories and in love and death. Lies for the liars was just to poppy. Bert would constantly say that it would be the heaviest thing theyve ever done. BUt when you'd listen to it you feel like your 12 again listenin to simple plan and cood charlotte.

[kearn1tm]

Yes according to me. As in it's my opinion. I thought that by my earlier statement it was obvious what I was saying was my opinion. But I'll put IMO after every little thing I say (IMO) to make you a happy boy (IMO)

You initially berated me for making a generalized statement about the quality of the Pop Punk recommended in this thread, implying that I attempted to establish "what's good" when it's merely my opinion, but therein lies the point: most of these threads are predicated on our own unique viewpoints and subjective opinions of music, which serves as a springboard for (ideally) intellectual discourse on artists. This thread is simply a microcosm for the larger Music community, as it clearly demonstrates that questions such as "bands that used to be good but now suck" will receive nothing but opinion-based questions. Everyone knew my statement was opinion. I wasn't posing it as a fact. Music critique and art criticism rarely incorporates undeniable fact.

So you've tried to invalidate my post by proclaiming it "just opinion" instead of what you falsely perceived it to be (an incontestable declaration of what's 'good' and 'bad'), while proceeding to tell as us all Fall Out Boy is terrible because they're "sell outs."

I could make the argument that you, in fact, are trying to establish what's "good" and "bad" by setting the parameters of what "selling out" is and that Fall Out Boy's music is subpar because they fit this template you've created of "selling out." However, I'm fully aware of the nature of "opinion" and realize that your post is merely that, and I'm not compelled to make such an obvious declaration (well, I wouldn't be anyway, until you needlessly provoked me).

Essentially, you made a post saying "your post about things being bad isn't the authority on the situation (which I never claimed it to be) because it's just an opinion. Now let me tell everyone why something isn't good."

It was a needlessly obvious statement. When you grow up, I imagine you'll understand this better.


Sincerely,
The Adults

[kearn1tm]

EDIT: IMO (just for you kiddo)

I'm older than you by five years, which I suspect is the reason you're unable to understand your own hypocrisy and, in relation to your initial response to me, obliviousness to your stupidity.

[Regards]

Bring Me The Horizon

-zion the lion

[IWasaCamera]

Dylan can still write circles around most musicians making music today.
Not saying much.
You initially berated me for making a generalized statement about the quality of the Pop Punk recommended in this thread, implying that I attempted to establish "what's good" when it's merely my opinion, but therein lies the point: most of these threads are predicated on our own unique viewpoints and subjective opinions of music, which serves as a springboard for (ideally) intellectual discourse on artists. This thread is simply a microcosm for the larger Music community, as it clearly demonstrates that questions such as "bands that used to be good but now suck" will receive nothing but opinion-based questions. Everyone knew my statement was opinion. I wasn't posing it as a fact. Music critique and art criticism rarely incorporates undeniable fact.

So you've tried to invalidate my post by proclaiming it "just opinion" instead of what you falsely perceived it to be (an incontestable declaration of what's 'good' and 'bad'), while proceeding to tell as us all Fall Out Boy is terrible because they're "sell outs."

I could make the argument that you, in fact, are trying to establish what's "good" and "bad" by setting the parameters of what "selling out" is and that Fall Out Boy's music is subpar because they fit this template you've created of "selling out." However, I'm fully aware of the nature of "opinion" and realize that your post is merely that, and I'm not compelled to make such an obvious declaration (well, I wouldn't be anyway, until you needlessly provoked me).

Essentially, you made a post saying "your post about things being bad isn't the authority on the situation (which I never claimed it to be) because it's just an opinion. Now let me tell everyone why something isn't good."

It was a needlessly obvious statement. When you grow up, I imagine you'll understand this better.



which, as you so eloquently pointed out was entirely predicated on my own subjective opinion while doing the same with Fall Out Boy. So, I ask, what was the point? Every post in this thread is opinion-based. You've wasted posts in this thread. Please think before you post.

Sincerely,
The Adults
Bingo.

[zion the lion]

I'm older than you by five years, which I suspect is the reason you're unable to understand your own hypocrisy and, in relation to your initial response to me, obliviousness to your stupidity.

What would my age have to do with anything? But if my age was a factor wouldnt it be ignorance?

And I was going to apologize for being a bitch yesterday but whatever.

[zion the lion]

Bring Me The Horizon

-zion the lion


Aww good for you do you some research, but you have no idea why I bought that cd so trying to say that my taste in music sucks because of that cd or that band without knowing why I bought it really just looks stupid. And I bought it for my friend because I owed her something but she lives in a different country so I havent gotten around to mailing it to her. I kept it in the car and listened to it once in November, so I still consider it mine.

EDIT: I thought I put this part in there but...AS A JOKE.

[Regards]

Aww good for you do you some research, but you have no idea why I bought that cd so trying to say that my taste in music sucks because of that cd or that band without knowing why I bought it really just looks stupid. And I bought it for my friend because I owed her something but she lives in a different country so I havent gotten around to mailing it to her. I kept it in the car and listened to it once in November, so I still consider it mine.

EDIT: I thought I put this part in there but...AS A JOKE.
you crzy

[dakota0135]

AFI were amazing on All Hallows, The Art of Drowing and Black Sails In The Sunset. I liked the newer stuff to sing to though, which is a pretty bad reason to like something...

I'm gonna be really honest, and say, on a whole the first Panic album was good. There were some really good tracks on there, but I hate their new one with a vengeance.

And I don't like Fall Out Boy either, but Take This To Your Grave is also a really good album. Hate their new stuff.

[kianacarly]

AFI were amazing on All Hallows, The Art of Drowing and Black Sails In The Sunset. I liked the newer stuff to sing to though, which is a pretty bad reason to like something...

I'm gonna be really honest, and say, on a whole the first Panic album was good. There were some really good tracks on there, but I hate their new one with a vengeance.

And I don't like Fall Out Boy either, but Take This To Your Grave is also a really good album. Hate their new stuff.

I preferred Pretty. Odd. if I had to choose.

Also, Fall Out Boy's new stuff is awesome. I really enjoy Folie a Deux.

[dakota0135]

I preferred Pretty. Odd. if I had to choose.

Also, Fall Out Boy's new stuff is awesome. I really enjoy Folie a Deux.

I don't, Lying Is The Most Fun... was their best song and their new stuff is just awful.

And I didn't even bother listening to it, or Infinity On High.

I just like the song "Homesick At Space Camp" and maybe "Grand Theft Autumn"

[fly_guy]

I don't, Lying Is The Most Fun... was their best song and their new stuff is just awful.

And I didn't even bother listening to it, or Infinity On High.

I just like the song "Homesick At Space Camp" and maybe "Grand Theft Autumn"

Other way around. Lying is the most fun....is horrible and their new stuff is ok

[kianacarly]

I don't, Lying Is The Most Fun... was their best song and their new stuff is just awful.

And I didn't even bother listening to it, or Infinity On High.

I just like the song "Homesick At Space Camp" and maybe "Grand Theft Autumn"

Lying is a terrible song, and their new stuff is okay but not awful. Not great, but I like it better than Fever.

How do you know if you don't like new Fall Out Boy songs if you didn't even listen to Infinity on High or Folie a Deux? I just really like this band and it bothers me when people are quick to trash their new records when they've improved so much.

[dakota0135]

It just bored me.

[dakota0135]

Lying is a terrible song, and their new stuff is okay but not awful. Not great, but I like it better than Fever.

How do you know if you don't like new Fall Out Boy songs if you didn't even listen to Infinity on High or Folie a Deux? I just really like this band and it bothers me when people are quick to trash their new records when they've improved so much.

Because This Ain't A Scene was awful, and because America's Suitehearts is also awful.

That song was repeated about 754908956838590384 times on a music channel in half an hour, you can really overplay things.

They have not improved, and tbh I wouldn't lsiten to them now even if I liked them because they're just so "emo".

I dislike stereotypes a lot.

[kianacarly]

Because This Ain't A Scene was awful, and because America's Suitehearts is also awful.

That song was repeated about 754908956838590384 times on a music channel in half an hour, you can really overplay things.

They have not improved, and tbh I wouldn't lsiten to them now even if I liked them because they're just so "emo".

I dislike stereotypes a lot.


Agree with This Ain't A Scene, but to say the band hasn't improved is ridiculous. To say that, for example, Patrick's voice hasn't gotten any better or improved since they started putting out albums is just wrong.

And the rest of this post just made me do a facepalm

[413punkguy]

Enough with the fall out boy for god sake .disturbed

[Divinehand]

Agnostic front . Their all metal and shit now


Um...no.

"Yur dum".
Did I speak your language?

[Circa1628]

Fall Out Boy, that hurts to say

[batmannj]

ken oath!!! AFI are pioneers of theyre genre not some sceney flash in the pan.. plus i really liked their past 2 albums perhaps more than the melodic hardcore of the 90s
I agree with you 100%. AFI has consistently found a way with each album to change up their sound a little and make it better. I love these guys.
Their first album wasn't good or unique and Pretty. Odd. was millions of miles better.
While I agree that Pretty. Odd. was better, I wouldn't say that the first one wasn't good. To hit the scene as young as they did and make an album as good as that one was pretty impressive IMO.

[batmannj]

I thought this thread was about opinion, not one or two people becoming the deciding voice on what was good and wasnt good.




And Fall out boy is one of the biggest sell out bands of this decade. I liked one or two songs from their first album but then their bass players nasty ass naked body was all over the internet (which I think he did on purpose) and they blew up. I was watching tv the other day and saw one of their music videos and I've never seen so much product placement for huge companies in one music video ever. No other band has sold out compared to them.
FOB has not sold out, they just got popular. FAD is a great album and really is an album that a lot of people enjoyed almost as much as TTTYG.

[Circa1628]

how did they not sell out, they got big, that's not selling out, but changing their sound completely is

[kearn1tm]

What would my age have to do with anything? But if my age was a factor wouldnt it be ignorance?

And I was going to apologize for being a bitch yesterday but whatever.

You called me "kiddo" when I'm your elder.

You shouldn't feel obligated to apologize for being a bitch. However, if you'd like to apologize for idiocy, I'd gladly accept, but then, I doubt you understand how absurd your initial post was.

[xJesusFreakx]

how did they not sell out, they got big, that's not selling out, but changing their sound completely is

You know, I think that Brand New sold out. TDAG sounds nothing like YFW.

[2 fly and shy]

Weezer. I liked them when I was younger and then they came back and it was just...blah, for me at least.
Greenday, I love dookie, my aunt used to play it for me when I was little as a contrast to 2pac but american idiot felt like they were trying too hard to me.
Both of those are my opinion though.

They came back when you were 7 or 8, and the Blue album might actually be older than you.

This thread is interesting.

[Jumpoff]

how did they not sell out, they got big, that's not selling out, but changing their sound completely is

Changing your sound is not selling out. Sorry.

[2 fly and shy]

People seriously still argue about Green Day selling out?

[hockeyguitar99]

I agree with you 100%. AFI has consistently found a way with each album to change up their sound a little and make it better. I love these guys.

While I agree that Pretty. Odd. was better, I wouldn't say that the first one wasn't good. To hit the scene as young as they did and make an album as good as that one was pretty impressive IMO.

They hit the scene at the same age as tons of these other bands, and released the same generic album.

[kearn1tm]

how did they not sell out, they got big, that's not selling out, but changing their sound completely is

They were always a pop band. This never changed. When their budget got bigger, they left the "slums" of low-fi production and went grandiose, with Stump embracing his pseudo-soul singing range to experiment with subtle R&Bish compositions.

However, Take This to Your Grave may be more Lifetime-meets-Get Up Kids than Infinity on High, but they've always been a Power Pop band. The only reason they'd ever make a TTTYG sequel is if they'd never gained Island's backing or mainstream acceptance. Sure, they "sold out," but the alternative was never gaining the Top 40 audience and making more interchangable faux-pop punk records that sounded just like TTTYG to please their core fanbase, which would also be a form of selling out, in that, instead of indulging their curiosities, they willingly stayed in a state of creative arrested development to pacify their limited listeners.

The moral of this is: they were never a good band (but damn if they're not, and always have been mindless fun)

[xJesusFreakx]

Really, the transition in sound from FOB's first album to their most recent doesn't make any crazy jumps. Maybe I'm crazy, but I see it as a logical progression in sound, not as selling out.

[hockeyguitar99]

They were always a pop band. This never changed. When their budget got bigger, they left the "slums" of low-fi production and went grandiose, with Stump embracing his pseudo-soul singing range to experiment with subtle R&Bish compositions.

However, Take This to Your Grave may be more Lifetime-meets-Get Up Kids than Infinity on High, but they've always been a Power Pop band. The only reason they'd ever make a TTTYG sequel is if they'd never gained Island's backing or mainstream acceptance. Sure, they "sold out," but the alternative was never gaining the Top 40 audience and making more interchangable faux-pop punk records that sounded just like TTTYG to please their core fanbase, which would also be a form of selling out, in that, instead of indulging their curiosities, they willingly stayed in a state of creative arrested development to pacify their limited listeners.

The moral of this is: they were never a good band (but damn if they're not, and always have been mindless fun)

While what you said in your first two paragraphs is well thought and you make good points, even though I don't entirely agree, I think that the last sentence is pretty irrelevant to the discussion. Whether they were ever good or not doesn't have any bearing on if they sold out.

[kearn1tm]

While what you said in your first two paragraphs is well thought and you make good points, even though I don't entirely agree, I think that the last sentence is pretty irrelevant to the discussion. Whether they were ever good or not doesn't have any bearing on if they sold out.

This thread is called "Bands that used to be good but suck now." It's relevant to the topic at hand, and the conversation stemmed from a poster claiming Fall Out Boy's music wasn't good because they supposedly sold out. I'm of the opinion that they were never good, regardless of whether they "sold out" or not. Your assertion that the final sentence isn't pertinent to the discussion would be wrong.

[hockeyguitar99]

This thread is called "Bands that used to be good but suck now." It's relevant to the topic at hand, and the conversation stemmed from a poster claiming Fall Out Boy's music wasn't good because they supposedly sold out. I'm of the opinion that they were never good, regardless of whether they "sold out" or not. Your assertion that the final sentence isn't pertinent to the discussion would be wrong.

The initial thread topic was about Bands that used to be good but suck now, but this particular discussion was more focused on whether they sold out or not, and that was the argument you presented. That's what the argument was focused on, whether or not they sold out, not the quality of the music. Especially when the initial post didn't even cite their actual music.

[zion the lion]

They came back when you were 7 or 8, and the Blue album might actually be older than you.

This thread is interesting.

If it happened before July then I was 7. the Blue album came out when I was two. I think it was just that by the time they came back my taste in music changed and I started to listening to things 3 or 4 decades older. Beverly Hills was too much for me, and it turned into a its not them but me situation.

[kearn1tm]

The initial thread topic was about Bands that used to be good but suck now, but this particular discussion was more focused on whether they sold out or not, and that was the argument you presented.

I'm sorry you're unable to comment on more than one subject at a time. The initial post that spawned the discussion spoke of Fall Out Boy's music slowly degrading as a result of them "selling out." I believed the point was moot because they were never good to begin with and that her definition of "selling out" was a bit obtuse.

[hockeyguitar99]

I'm sorry you're unable to comment on more than one subject at a time. The initial post that spawned the discussion spoke of Fall Out Boy's music slowly degrading as a result of them "selling out." I believed the point was moot because they were never good to begin with and that her definition of "selling out" was a bit obtuse.

Your first sentence is absolutely ridiculous and actually completely irrelevant. In what you just said, the discussion didn't seem to at all deal with whether they began good, but if they got worse through their career, which is what you just said. So again, them being bad their whole career doesn't actually prove anything for your point, but the selling out argument is relevant.

[kearn1tm]

Your first sentence is absolutely ridiculous and actually completely irrelevant. In what you just said, the discussion didn't seem to at all deal with whether they began good, but if they got worse through their career, which is what you just said.

"Worse through their career." Stop contradicting yourself, junior. Within the discussion, there arose the matter of whether or not Fall Out Boy's talents had degraded as they began to "sell out." I claimed it was moot, as they were never good to begin with. I contributed to the discussion, while also addressing the issue of them possibly selling out.


So again, them being bad their whole career doesn't actually prove anything for your point

It was part of my point. Someone argued that they were getting worse as they progressed. I don't believe they did, and I also never thought there was much possibility to become "worse," especially if they weren't good to begin with. That's part of the sentiment I conveyed and my contribution to the discussion, as well as contesting the poster's idea of what "selling out" was.

You've dragged down the discussion with a semantical debate that's adding nothing to the thread. Cheers.

[IWasaCamera]

Fall Out Boy being terrible the entire time strips the "sell out" claim of any real pertinence within the premise of this thread. Not that complex.

[xJesusFreakx]

http://www.wisemouseboy.com/gallery2/d/3790-2/internet_serious_business_framed.jp g

[kearn1tm]

Fall Out Boy being terrible the entire time strips the "sell out" claim of any real pertinence within the premise of this thread. Not that complex.

It's not relevant.

[kearn1tm]

http://www.wisemouseboy.com/gallery2/d/3790-2/internet_serious_business_framed.jp g

You've set sarcasm back twenty years or more.

[xJesusFreakx]

You've set sarcasm back twenty years or more.

I honestly didn't think that I had that kind of power, to do that great of harm. Can you find it in your heart to forgive me?

[IWasaCamera]

Cut your losses.

[kearn1tm]

I honestly didn't think that I had that kind of power, to do that great of harm. Can you find it in your heart to forgive me?

Why do you hate progression?

[kearn1tm]

Cut your losses.

old Fall Out Boy > Nick Drake

[xJesusFreakx]

Why do you hate progression?

...I don't hate progression. Are you confusing me with someone else in this thread?

[kearn1tm]

...I don't hate progression. Are you confusing me with someone else in this thread?

Stop being a person, man!

[IWasaCamera]

old Fall Out Boy > Nick Drake
oh shiiii

[xJesusFreakx]

oh shiiii

Hey, I've noticed that you have good tastes in music. What are some of your favorite artists/bands? I just recently started really listening to Bob Dylan; my musical tastes are lacking.

[IWasaCamera]

Hey, I've noticed that you have good tastes in music. What are some of your favorite artists/bands? I just recently started really listening to Bob Dylan; my musical tastes are lacking.
List in my profile.

[kearn1tm]

Hey, I've noticed that you have good tastes in music. What are some of your favorite artists/bands? I just recently started really listening to Bob Dylan; my musical tastes are lacking.

Well, Vinh will be the first to rave about the brilliance of Deja Entendu. Yes, yes Vinh. We know the production isn't as complex as The Devil and God... but that it has a depth that isn't seen so easily upon the first few listens.

(listen to everything on his profile. you'll be the better for it)

[xJesusFreakx]

List in my profile.

Well, Vinh will be the first to rave about the brilliance of Deja Entendu. Yes, yes Vinh. We know the production isn't as complex as The Devil and God... but that it has a depth that isn't seen so easily upon the first few listens.

(listen to everything on his profile. you'll be the better for it)

Will do.

[413punkguy]

You guys are still talking about fall out boy .X-) Shit man .

[Blueskyburning]

fall out boy are shit anyway, always have been.

metallica, slayer, anthrax all suck now but did some pretty good albums back in the day.

the distance had a 7" that was alright until they turned into total gays

newest no warning record was fucking shit

municipal wastes first album and the splits they did were good, they suck now

etc.

[xJesusFreakx]

fall out boy are shit anyway, always have been.

metallica, slayer, anthrax all suck now but did some pretty good albums back in the day.

the distance had a 7" that was alright until they turned into total gays

newest no warning record was fucking shit

municipal wastes first album and the splits they did were good, they suck now

etc.

Not gonna lie... I kinda like Death Magnetic. It has some embarrassing lyrics and absolutely atrocious production, but the music isn't too bad. The build-up for the solo in "The Unforgiven III" gets me pumped every time.

[Blueskyburning]

haha, wasn't my cup of tea like, couple of alright riffs here and there but nothing there for me.

i'll add cursed to my list as well. first album was fucking stellar, didn't like II or III or the latest ep they did though.

[WhoSaidThat?]

No explanation needed. (http://absolutepunk.net/artists/showlink.php?l=4695)

[Pawan1993]

What about Avenged Sevenfold?
The first two albums were good but now they're all about writing songs to show off their musical talents rather than their song writing.

[Circa1628]

Changing your sound is not selling out. Sorry.
every post you do is stupid, sorry

[Circa1628]

They were always a pop band. This never changed. When their budget got bigger, they left the "slums" of low-fi production and went grandiose, with Stump embracing his pseudo-soul singing range to experiment with subtle R&Bish compositions.

However, Take This to Your Grave may be more Lifetime-meets-Get Up Kids than Infinity on High, but they've always been a Power Pop band. The only reason they'd ever make a TTTYG sequel is if they'd never gained Island's backing or mainstream acceptance. Sure, they "sold out," but the alternative was never gaining the Top 40 audience and making more interchangable faux-pop punk records that sounded just like TTTYG to please their core fanbase, which would also be a form of selling out, in that, instead of indulging their curiosities, they willingly stayed in a state of creative arrested development to pacify their limited listeners.

The moral of this is: they were never a good band (but damn if they're not, and always have been mindless fun)
thank you for being the only person to quote my post with a good arguement behind their post back.

[Circa1628]

You know, I think that Brand New sold out. TDAG sounds nothing like YFW.
poor example

[Jumpoff]

every post you do is stupid, sorry

You are an idiot. No offense of course.

[xJesusFreakx]

poor example

That was intentionally absurd, to get the point across. Fall Out Boy didn't sell out.

[Blueskyburning]

What about Avenged Sevenfold?
The first two albums were good but now they're all about writing songs to show off their musical talents rather than their song writing.

dunno, i'd just class that as more shitty music from them

[eatsound]

I don't know if they've been said before but All American Rejects.
I like their older stuff a lot better.

[Velvetground]

I don't know if they've been said before but All American Rejects.
I like their older stuff a lot better.

How does a pop band sell out by making more pop music? I don't get it.

[thehereaway]

Weezer is probably the most obvious band i can think of for this thread. They used to be superb but now are a pile of wank.

[eatsound]

How does a pop band sell out by making more pop music? I don't get it.

I never said anything about "selling out". There's a difference between their older music and their newer music. I like the older music by them better. It's less produced and more "raw" sounding.

[ReadyForAction]

I dont see the logic in saying that FOB sold out, nor can I see how anyone that likes pop punk can not like FOB

[Circa1628]

You are an idiot. No offense of course.
don't take things so personally and literally

[live.]

U2
Arctic Monkeys
U2
A Change of Pace
U2
Catherine
U2
Hoobastank
U2
Linkin Park
U2
50 Cent
U2
U2

[Velvetground]

I never said anything about "selling out". There's a difference between their older music and their newer music. I like the older music by them better. It's less produced and more "raw" sounding.

Actually you're right, I was thinking of that fall out boy arguement about selling out and then applied it to your comment about AAR, my apologies.

[Circa1628]

That was intentionally absurd, to get the point across. Fall Out Boy didn't sell out.
trust me when I say Brand New is a poor example. They eased their way into their new sound, and the majority of people loved it. I would say Fall Out Boy have lost 95% of their core fans, where as Brand New have probably kept 95% of their fans. Fall Out Boy have also jacked up their ticket prices (I saw them for $10 in 2003, I think the last tour was $45?) Fall Out Boy are almost on the verge of being a boy band at this point, and they don't seem to mind it.

[peterpanic]

*braces for hate mail*

a band that got worse over time. dare i say it, the clash.

amazing band. awful last few albums.

[dakota0135]

What do people think about Placebo, early work vs. later work?

[Saraaa]

I agree about AFI. Hellllll their new stuff is so whiny.
Um The Beatles have become too much of a trend and also The Cool Kids. I hate MTV.

[IWasaCamera]

You're right, The Beatles' "trendiness" decreases the quality of their music.

[WhoSaidThat?]

I'm surprised I'm the only one who went with Good Charlotte. :-|

[weownthestreets]

- Fall Out Boy
- Cute Is What We Aim For (hrm, "good" is a relative term; the original material was catchy. The latest album seems ad-libbed and lyrically bland.)

[fadedmemories]

U2
Arctic Monkeys
U2
A Change of Pace
U2
Catherine
U2
Hoobastank
U2
Linkin Park
U2
50 Cent
U2
U2
Oh I see what you did there....