accused of being racist.

[Caleb Cattivera]

ok so on the tyra banks post yesterday, about her boobs being real i made a comment about how 'i used to steal my moms VS magazines just to look at her, and that she was my first taste of dark meat' alot of you on here have talked to me, and know me, is this really a racist comment? i'd like to know some honest opinions.

[last light]

no, unless you are an uptight asshole

[Drew Beringer]

nah

[oldwirehands]

ok so on the tyra banks post yesterday, about her boobs being real i made a comment about how 'i used to steal my moms VS magazines just to look at her, and that she was my first taste of dark meat' alot of you on here have talked to me, and know me, is this really a racist comment? i'd like to know some honest opinions.

What's wrong with jungle fever? I hate how certain black people get worked up about racism. My friend said it best.

"They need to get over the fact that they're black. We're already over it so quit bitching."

[ghostyouare]

No it's not racists

1. you admitted to getting off to a different skin color
2. you said it was your first implying there was more.

[Adeniz19]

i don't think it is but people are so politically correct now a days its crazy

[Caleb Cattivera]

keep them coming.

[Adeniz19]

keep them coming.who accused you of being racist?

[boekebong]

I'm the person who said that what Caleb said was racist and sexist. He said that Tyra Banks was a piece of meat, and then implied that being black made her dark meat. If thinking that's wrong makes me uptight, I guess I'll have to get used to being called uptight.

I said that what he said was racist and sexist. I think that we are all racist and sexist, myself included.

[Caleb Cattivera]

who accused you of being racist?
well to make him happy, i deleted my posts. but he also accused me of being sexist. when everyone else was talking about her ginormous titties.

[Andy]

http://images.usatoday.com/life/_photos/2004/2004-03/16-chappelle-roots-inside.jpg

[Adeniz19]

I said that what he said was racist and sexist. I think that we are all racist and sexist, myself included.then why did you single him out? there have been far worse things said on this board

[marbury1414]

not only was that not very offensive, it was probably not even on the 100 most offensive things ever said on this site

[boekebong]

I am holding Caleb to a higher standard because he is staff and I think this makes the site look bad. I think what he said was particularly sexist because he said that she was a piece of meat. No intelligence, no soul, no personality...just something to jackoff to.

[marbury1414]

then why did you single him out? there have been far worse things said on this board

beat me to it

[KarolaBloch]

thats not racist at all. geez everythi ng is racist now..

[Crocodile Logic]

http://xroads.virginia.edu/~HYPER/JACOBS/pics/nat-t1.gif

[boekebong]

then why did you single him out? there have been far worse things said on this board

1. He is staff. I hold him to a higher standard.
2. I let a lot of things slide, but I thought this was particularly bad.

[Crocodile Logic]

1. He is staff. I hold him to a higher standard.
2. I let a lot of things slide, but I thought this was particularly bad.
did it hurt when that stanford punter kicked you in the scrotum?

[A picasso blue]

"They need to get over the fact that they're black. We're already over it so quit bitching."

in all seriousness, they have every right to feel neglected by the government. christ it hasnt even been 60 years since they could walk around without being attacked by police dogs.i mean look at the ghettos. why do you think those are populated the way they are?

[allelish]

Bullshit, that is not a racist comment at all.

[boekebong]

gaspingforair is the AIM name of the forum user ghostyouare:

gaspingfourair: wait you are a chick huh?
ThisFeelsChanged: Nope.
gaspingfourair: you read into things way to much
gaspingfourair: please tell me you aren't a middle class white women in her 40s
ThisFeelsChanged: I'm 21.
ThisFeelsChanged: And a guy.
ThisFeelsChanged: Not that it matters.
gaspingfourair: white?
ThisFeelsChanged: Why does it matter?
gaspingfourair: It doesn't really
gaspingfourair: wigger
gaspingfourair signed off at 1:24:39 PM

[allelish]

hahaha

[Andy]

hahaha, he sold you out, trevor

[ghostyouare]

Wigger isn't racists because I'm white.

[boekebong]

Wigger isn't racists because I'm white.

And you sure are brave. I like how you said it and signed off, the online equivalent of running away. You called me a wigger, or white ******. How is that not racist?

[SkaBum14]

And you sure are brave. I like how you said it and signed off, the online equivalent of running away. You called me a wigger, or white ******. How is that not racist?

Your username sounds like you're making fun of African names. That's pretty racist.

[boekebong]

Your username sounds like you're making fun of African names. That's pretty racist.

boekebong? How does that sound like that? My last name is Boeke. I was wearing a billabong sweatshirt one day and a friend started calling me Boekebong. I chose it as a username. That simple. I wish I hadn't because it sounds stupid and no one gets it.

[ghostyouare]

And you sure are brave. I like how you said it and signed off, the online equivalent of running away. You called me a wigger, or white ******. How is that not racist?
Niggеr, It's ok I can say that. I don't technically have a black friend however I have a cuban friend and that's close enough.

boekebong? How does that sound like that? My last name is Boeke. I was wearing a billabong sweatshirt one day and a friend started calling me Boekebong. I chose it as a username. That simple. I wish I hadn't because it sounds stupid and no one gets it.
I bet you like to get high. Mr. Bong.

[SkaBum14]

boekebong? How does that sound like that? My last name is Boeke. I was wearing a billabong sweatshirt one day and a friend started calling me Boekebong. I chose it as a username. That simple. I wish I hadn't because it sounds stupid and no one gets it.

Rationalization gets us nowhere in our quest for racial harmony and reconciliation. Let's strive for change!

[boekebong]

You implied that I objected to what was said because you assumed I was a white person that loves black people. And that's what you called me, as if I were some sort of traitor to white people. Sorry, you're wrong, that is racist.

[ghostyouare]

On a side note, I still refuse to give away 40 acres and a mule.

[boekebong]

Rationalization gets us nowhere in our quest for racial harmony and reconciliation. Let's strive for change!

I agree.

[ghostyouare]

You implied that I objected to what was said because you assumed I was a white person that loves black people. And that's what you called me, as if I were some sort of traitor to white people. Sorry, you're wrong, that is racist.
I'll lynch you harder than my grandpa lynched fredick douglas.

[Andy]

On a side note, I still refuse to give away 40 acres and a mule.
Reperations?

[ghostyouare]

Reperations?
Ya, it made for a hilarious chappelle episode.. well it would have been funnier if it was done by a white comedian.

[SkaBum14]

I agree.

Ok?

[ghostyouare]

Ok?
you should set up a tent infront of the white house and live there for like 40 years

[boekebong]

I'll lynch you harder than my grandpa lynched fredick douglas.

You should really be ashamed of yourself.

[ghostyouare]

http://www.absolutepunk.net/showthread.php?t=80232

[richter915]

http://www.absolutepunk.net/showthread.php?t=80232
I rule

[ghostyouare]

Who Rules?

O'doyles rule!

[the_narrator]

I'm the person who said that what Caleb said was racist and sexist. He said that Tyra Banks was a piece of meat, and then implied that being black made her dark meat. If thinking that's wrong makes me uptight, I guess I'll have to get used to being called uptight.

I said that what he said was racist and sexist. I think that we are all racist and sexist, myself included. Actually, I think you're incorrect. I understand your concept, but your terminology is off.

Racist is generally used to describe words of racial intolerance. Kind of seems like Caleb was going the opposite direction, doesn't it? He didn't mean it like, "black women are my meat" (which sounds funny). It comes off more like a description: i.e. the red-head, the blind boy, the filipino. Technically, couldn't you say it was better he said "dark" instead of "black" or "african-american" since Tyra is bi-racial, and may prefer a term that isn't so limiting? She is darker than him. Not a lie.

Sexist is a term that is discriminatory based on sex. "Meat" can be used to refer to any sex. Now, if he said, "Women are meat"...that's sexist. I get what you're saying, but you're talking more about objectifying, not sexism. People (especially women) use them interchangeably. They certainly aren't.

But we objectify things all the time, so, you can't fault him there. Also, I don't think he said his remarks out of malice or ignorance, but maybe more out of satire and jest. Anyways, I'm sorry you're getting trashed on pretty bad in here. I doubt anyone is racist, but they are saying stuff just to fuck with you. Let it go. You can only control yourself.

P.S. Wigger is not a white person who loves african-americans. Rather, it is a white person who imitates them. Just...to clarify. :)

[chaoticXpunk]

Actually, I think you're incorrect. I understand your concept, but your terminology is off.

Racist is generally used to describe words of racial intolerance. Kind of seems like Caleb was going the opposite direction, doesn't it? He didn't mean it like, "black women are my meat" (which sounds funny). It comes off more like a description: i.e. the red-head, the blind boy, the filipino. Technically, couldn't you say it was better he said "dark" instead of "black" or "african-american" since Tyra is bi-racial, and may prefer a term that isn't so limiting? She is darker than him. Not a lie.

Sexist is a term that is discriminatory based on sex. "Meat" can be used to refer to any sex. Now, if he said, "Women are meat"...that's sexist. I get what you're saying, but you're talking more about objectifying, not sexism. People (especially women) use them interchangeably. They certainly aren't.

But we objectify things all the time, so, you can't fault him there. Also, I don't think he said his remarks out of malice or ignorance, but maybe more out of satire and jest. Anyways, I'm sorry you're getting trashed on pretty bad in here. I doubt anyone is racist, but they are saying stuff just the fuck with you. Let it go. You can only control yourself.

P.S. Wigger is not a white person who loves african-americans. Rather, it is a white person who imitates them. Just...to clarify. :)
Game, set, match.

[boekebong]

http://www.absolutepunk.net/showthread.php?t=80232

Proud of that?

[Tanooki Suit]

man I hate uppity ***-gers. They should stop trying to move into my neighborhood.

[richter915]

Proud of that?
yes, very much so...you can see how quickly I can bring women down to their knees

man I hate uppity ***-gers. They should stop trying to move into my neighborhood.
I <3 the boondocks

[when 4ever ends]

i dont think its racist. even if i were black i would laugh at that.

[Crocodile Logic]

Proud of that?
i'll ask again. did it hurt when that stanford punter kicked you in the scrotum?

[boekebong]

Actually, I think you're incorrect. I understand your concept, but your terminology is off.

Racist is generally used to describe words of racial intolerance. Kind of seems like Caleb was going the opposite direction, doesn't it? He didn't mean it like, "black women are my meat" (which sounds funny). It comes off more like a description: i.e. the red-head, the blind boy, the filipino. Technically, couldn't you say it was better he said "dark" instead of "black" or "african-american" since Tyra is bi-racial, and may prefer a term that isn't so limiting? She is darker than him. Not a lie.

Sexist is a term that is discriminatory based on sex. "Meat" can be used to refer to any sex. Now, if he said, "Women are meat"...that's sexist. I get what you're saying, but you're talking more about objectifying, not sexism. People (especially women) use them interchangeably. They certainly aren't.

But we objectify things all the time, so, you can't fault him there. Also, I don't think he said his remarks out of malice or ignorance, but maybe more out of satire and jest. Anyways, I'm sorry you're getting trashed on pretty bad in here. I doubt anyone is racist, but they are saying stuff just the fuck with you. Let it go. You can only control yourself.

P.S. Wigger is not a white person who loves african-americans. Rather, it is a white person who imitates them. Just...to clarify. :)

A well thought out post. Refreshing. I still disagree with you. You can't remove a statement from its cultural context. His remarks were not made in a vacuum, but in the cultual context and social history of the U.S.. Saying that objectifying someone is never racist or sexist is incorrect. I would argue that objectification is at the heart of racism and sexism. In American culture, black women have long been seen as sexually available for white men, a commodity really. By using language that objectified her as a consumer good he reinforced these stereotypes that are racist and sexist in origin. Caleb made it seem acceptable to reduce Tyra to only two aspects of her person, her skin color and her gender.

I understand the many ways you can use the word wigger. Look at how he was using it.

I think it would be wrong to not say something. I don't want to live in a world where people think it is ok to say these things.

[Caleb Cattivera]

Actually, I think you're incorrect. I understand your concept, but your terminology is off.

Racist is generally used to describe words of racial intolerance. Kind of seems like Caleb was going the opposite direction, doesn't it? He didn't mean it like, "black women are my meat" (which sounds funny). It comes off more like a description: i.e. the red-head, the blind boy, the filipino. Technically, couldn't you say it was better he said "dark" instead of "black" or "african-american" since Tyra is bi-racial, and may prefer a term that isn't so limiting? She is darker than him. Not a lie.

Sexist is a term that is discriminatory based on sex. "Meat" can be used to refer to any sex. Now, if he said, "Women are meat"...that's sexist. I get what you're saying, but you're talking more about objectifying, not sexism. People (especially women) use them interchangeably. They certainly aren't.

But we objectify things all the time, so, you can't fault him there. Also, I don't think he said his remarks out of malice or ignorance, but maybe more out of satire and jest. Anyways, I'm sorry you're getting trashed on pretty bad in here. I doubt anyone is racist, but they are saying stuff just to fuck with you. Let it go. You can only control yourself.

P.S. Wigger is not a white person who loves african-americans. Rather, it is a white person who imitates them. Just...to clarify. :)
thank you for defending me in a sense. this is the most intelligent answer ive seen in these forums. well thought out, and very descriptive. i was an english major in college and wouldnt come up with that.

[Crocodile Logic]

A well thought out post. Refreshing. I still disagree with you. You can't remove a statement from its cultural context. His remarks were not made in a vacuum, but in the cultual context and social history of the U.S.. Saying that objectifying someone is never racist or sexist is incorrect. I would argue that objectification is at the heart of racism and sexism. In American culture, black women have long been seen as sexually available for white men, a commodity really. By using language that objectified her as a consumer good he reinforced these stereotypes that are racist and sexist in origin. Caleb made it seem acceptable to reduce Tyra to only two aspects of her person, her skin color and her gender.
answer the damn question.

[boekebong]

answer the damn question.

Haha. You're really obsessed with that.

You do know that's not me, right Mr. Cash? ;)

[dretti]

haha thats not racist
people need to chill

[Crocodile Logic]

Haha. You're really obsessed with that.

You do know that's not me, right Mr. Cash? ;)
oh i know it's not you, mr. bong. i'm just wondering why you decided to use it. did you think it was funny because a black man was being beaten by a white man? because that, to me, seems pretty damn racist. you nazi bastard.

[the_narrator]

In American culture, black women have long been seen as sexually available for white men, a commodity really. By using language that objectified her as a consumer good he reinforced these stereotypes that are racist and sexist in origin. Caleb made it seem acceptable to reduce Tyra to only two aspects of her person, her skin color and her gender.

I understand the many ways you can use the word wigger. Look at how he was using it.
Yes, objectification is the heart of racism and sexism. I'll agree, but that's not a point we're arguing over. I'm saying it was purely objectification, and not racism or sexism.

I don't really know what to make of that statement, since that sounded completely off. Hell, I would have said that "In African-American pop culture, women (of all races) have been seen as a commodity." Hence the rallies by feminists against hip-hop videos like N.E.R.D.'s "Lapdance (uncensored)". I mean, I think you are talking about actions that occured before modern day politically-correct-paranoia. I might be off, but I'm going to ask for an example.

Next, racism and sexism require an intent of discrimination, both of which Caleb says there was none. Is it not possible to use descriptive imagery (many poets/writers use the term "meat" when describing a moment of sexuality because it is raw, primal) without it being a literal remark? I think Caleb might be influenced less by the aspect of women (especially black women) being used as "unfeeling meat" and more with society's usage of it as a sexual device of the human body.

Anyways, I'm just going to need more explanation on your comment. Sorry. I just hate to give you straw men and get nowhere. :) I'll also be awhile responding since I'm off to eat.

Also, I think he used wigger in the way I told you. You acted as the "black person pulling the race card/woman pulling the gender card." Does that stereotype make sense? That's why he asked if you were white or a woman.

[chaoticXpunk]

oh i know it's not you, mr. bong. i'm just wondering why you decided to use it. did you think it was funny because a black man was being beaten by a white man? because that, to me, seems pretty damn racist. you nazi bastard.
Hahahaaha.

[Tanooki Suit]

The crickets and the rust-beetles scuttled among the nettles of the sage thicket. "Vámonos, amigos," he whispered, and threw the busted leather flintcraw over the loose weave of the saddlecock. And they rode on in the friscalating dusklight.

[Katie Schmitz]

The only thing worse than a racist.... is a bigot.

Oh and the only thing I hate more than a racist are spicks. :huh:

[lackofcolour 13]

no its not racist. Its a stupid black bias. If a black guy doesnt like white women (rare case, I know.) no one would accuse him of being racist.

[apoemtothedead]

That's racist.

[dangets]

Originally Posted by SkaBum14
Rationalization gets us nowhere in our quest for racial harmony and reconciliation. Let's strive for change!


I agree.hahaha

sincerely agreeing with sarcastic statements... hilarious

[swirlofhues]

The crickets and the rust-beetles scuttled among the nettles of the sage thicket. "Vámonos, amigos," he whispered, and threw the busted leather flintcraw over the loose weave of the saddlecock. And they rode on in the friscalating dusklight.

hahaha.

[FinchBulldog2]

I'm the person who said that what Caleb said was racist and sexist. He said that Tyra Banks was a piece of meat, and then implied that being black made her dark meat. If thinking that's wrong makes me uptight, I guess I'll have to get used to being called uptight.

I said that what he said was racist and sexist. I think that we are all racist and sexist, myself included.
You suck.

[The Revisionist]

WHAT'S THE DIFFERENCE BETWEEN A BLACK MAN AND A BICYCLE?

WHEN YOU PUT CHAINS ON A BIKE IT DOESN'T START SINGING!

AHAHAHAHAHAHAHA RACISM RULZ

[Clarett'sGreyGoose]

haha don't even tell me this thread is going to turn into racist jokes.

speaking of racism, where the fuck has Dom been?

[The Revisionist]

I am waiting for Bookabong to come give me a reprimanding, I don't want any comments from you.

It's funny with the original Tyra Banks situation that calling her "dark" would be considered racist... BECAUSE SHE IS FUCKING BLACK. It's not even racism, it's a fact.

[apoemtothedead]

WHAT'S THE DIFFERENCE BETWEEN A BLACK MAN AND A BICYCLE?

WHEN YOU PUT CHAINS ON A BIKE IT DOESN'T START SINGING!

AHAHAHAHAHAHAHA RACISM RULZ
\m/

[Spicoli hey bud]

I met tyra banks once

she's hot

for a black girl

just kidding...she's amazing...and if you can't joke about racism, you have no sense of humor...however, there are times when it's more appropriate than others

caleb, you said nothing wrong

[the_narrator]

The only thing worse than a racist.... is a bigot.

Oh and the only thing I hate more than a racist are spicks. :huh:
And the polish.

[apoemtothedead]

And the polish.
fuckin polish.

[Spicoli hey bud]

I always thought it was spelt spics..

????????????????????????????????

[ghostyouare]

this thread died/ stop being funny long ago :(

[Clarett'sGreyGoose]

this thread died/ stop being funny long ago :(
.....yay for avatar Anti-Semitism!!!!

[ghostyouare]

.....yay for avatar Anti-Semitism!!!!
:)

[apoemtothedead]

:grunts:

[Clarett'sGreyGoose]

:grunts:
have something to say?

[apoemtothedead]

have something to say?
what? no, I'm too busy counting the American Economy.

[ghostyouare]

what? no, I'm too busy counting the American Economy.
watch out bush has been compared to hitler...

[the_narrator]

I always thought it was spelt spics..

????????????????????????????????
Well. If you want to be racist about it...;)

[apoemtothedead]

watch out bush has been compared to hitler...
so has jesus. but then they took down the site. :(

[Mercy Medical]

I don't think it's racist at all (I realized I'm really late on this conversation).

[EriatarkaHRD]

i was once called a racist while wearing a jimi hendrix t-shirt..that was kinda funny

[boekebong]

Yes, objectification is the heart of racism and sexism. I'll agree, but that's not a point we're arguing over. I'm saying it was purely objectification, and not racism or sexism.

I don't really know what to make of that statement, since that sounded completely off. Hell, I would have said that "In African-American pop culture, women (of all races) have been seen as a commodity." Hence the rallies by feminists against hip-hop videos like N.E.R.D.'s "Lapdance (uncensored)". I mean, I think you are talking about actions that occured before modern day politically-correct-paranoia. I might be off, but I'm going to ask for an example.

Next, racism and sexism require an intent of discrimination, both of which Caleb says there was none. Is it not possible to use descriptive imagery (many poets/writers use the term "meat" when describing a moment of sexuality because it is raw, primal) without it being a literal remark? I think Caleb might be influenced less by the aspect of women (especially black women) being used as "unfeeling meat" and more with society's usage of it as a sexual device of the human body.

Anyways, I'm just going to need more explanation on your comment. Sorry. I just hate to give you straw men and get nowhere. :) I'll also be awhile responding since I'm off to eat.

Also, I think he used wigger in the way I told you. You acted as the "black person pulling the race card/woman pulling the gender card." Does that stereotype make sense? That's why he asked if you were white or a woman.

I agree with you, hip-hop is incredibly sexist, but that isn't what I was talking about. I was talking about the power of language. What Caleb was engaging in was discursive colonization. By reducing Tyra to just two characteristics, race and gender, and linking those to a consumption commodity, he is able to take ownership of her. He has gone from being the viewer to the owner of the subject matter...in this case, her body. And that is an important distinction. "She was my first taste of dark meat." This is the moment at which he appropriates her for his own use. He is free to do with her what he chooses because she loses any agency of her own. She has become a passive object for his pleasure, hypersexualized and classified as an exoticized "other." Caleb would not say Kathy Ireland was his first piece of white meat because white is the normative group. Tyra Banks is labeled as dark meat because she is perceived as different. By using the term meat, which does carry a sexualized weight, he was informing us that she is not to be dealt with as an equal but as a pleasure source, open for the use of any man who should choose to have her. It is fundamentally linked to her gender and her sex. Race and sex were essential to his objectification. Imagine his stamement without them. Blank was my first taste of blank blank.

I don't think he needed to have malicious intent for the comments to be racist or sexist, because we live in a racist and sexist society.

I think we are fighting over semantics in the case of wigger. I understand his use of the sterotype, and I find it incredibly problematic. In the first case it assumes that only a black person can care about race and only a woman can care about sexism...and that they would both be wrong. In the second case it assumes that a white male caring about those things is ridiculous, and I would argue traitorous.

[swirlofhues]

geez, you guys must have been on the debate team at one point in time or something. although the subject is interesting to discuss (i guess) it sounds way more extreme than what caleb really meant.

[projectmayhem16]

I agree with you, hip-hop is incredibly sexist, but that isn't what I was talking about. I was talking about the power of language. What Caleb was engaging in was discursive colonization. By reducing Tyra to just two characteristics, race and gender, and linking those to a consumption commodity, he is able to take ownership of her. He has gone from being the viewer to the owner of the subject matter...in this case, her body. And that is an important distinction. "She was my first taste of dark meat." This is the moment at which he appropriates her for his own use. He is free to do with her what he chooses because she loses any agency of her own. She has become a passive object for his pleasure, hypersexualized and classified as an exoticized "other." Caleb would not say Kathy Ireland was his first piece of white meat because white is the normative group. Tyra Banks is labeled as dark meat because she is perceived as different. By using the term meat, which does carry a sexualized weight, he was informing us that she is not to be dealt with as an equal but as a pleasure source, open for the use of any man who should choose to have her. It is fundamentally linked to her gender and her sex. Race and sex were essential to his objectification. Imagine his stamement without them. Blank was my first taste of blank blank.

I don't think he needed to have malicious intent for the comments to be racist or sexist, because we live in a racist and sexist society.

I think we are fighting over semantics in the case of wigger. I understand his use of the sterotype, and I find it incredibly problematic. In the first case it assumes that only a black person can care about race and only a woman can care about sexism...and that they would both be wrong. In the second case it assumes that a white male caring about those things is ridiculous, and I would argue traitorous.my god instead of bitching about an innocent comment on a messageboard why don't you go take your convictions somewhere where they can be used, go join a march or picket somewhere, anywhere, anything, just as long as you're out of here.

[boekebong]

my god instead of bitching about an innocent comment on a messageboard why don't you go take your convictions somewhere where they can be used, go join a march or picket somewhere, anywhere, anything, just as long as you're out of here.

Becuase racism and sexism have very real consequences in the lives of many people, and this is a place where I belong as much as any of you. Caleb started this thread, not me. I just spoke up when I saw something I thought was wrong. You can disagree with me, but I hope that you would do the same.

[apoemtothedead]

my god instead of bitching about an innocent comment on a messageboard why don't you go take your convictions somewhere where they can be used, go join a march or picket somewhere, anywhere, anything, just as long as you're out of here.
pft. Like picketing does something. :roll:

[projectmayhem16]

Becuase racism and sexism have very real consequences in the lives of many people, and this is a place where I belong as much as any of you. Caleb started this thread, not me. I just spoke up when I saw something I thought was wrong. You can disagree with me, but I hope that you would do the same.I'm not saying you have no voice or that your opinions arent valid but it seems sort of miniscule and its been blown out of proportion, Caleb did make the thread so you have a right to post in it but it just seems rather ridiculous to me thats all.

[Adeniz19]

Actually, I think you're incorrect. I understand your concept, but your terminology is off.

Racist is generally used to describe words of racial intolerance. Kind of seems like Caleb was going the opposite direction, doesn't it? He didn't mean it like, "black women are my meat" (which sounds funny). It comes off more like a description: i.e. the red-head, the blind boy, the filipino. Technically, couldn't you say it was better he said "dark" instead of "black" or "african-american" since Tyra is bi-racial, and may prefer a term that isn't so limiting? She is darker than him. Not a lie.

Sexist is a term that is discriminatory based on sex. "Meat" can be used to refer to any sex. Now, if he said, "Women are meat"...that's sexist. I get what you're saying, but you're talking more about objectifying, not sexism. People (especially women) use them interchangeably. They certainly aren't.

But we objectify things all the time, so, you can't fault him there. Also, I don't think he said his remarks out of malice or ignorance, but maybe more out of satire and jest. Anyways, I'm sorry you're getting trashed on pretty bad in here. I doubt anyone is racist, but they are saying stuff just to fuck with you. Let it go. You can only control yourself.

P.S. Wigger is not a white person who loves african-americans. Rather, it is a white person who imitates them. Just...to clarify. :)haha i love you

[the_narrator]

I agree with you, hip-hop is incredibly sexist, but that isn't what I was talking about. I'm talking about your statement "American culture..." from the previous post. I just wanted to see an example of where typically a white man thinks black women are his commodity.

Not to sound like I'm running out of arguments (which I'm not, and I'll probably have to revert back to what I was doing if I don't get around to doing my Chinese homework), but is it possible that you created a more segregated view of race than Caleb? I mean, you put words in his mouth. First, you assumed he was white ("the norm") instead of possibly asian/latin/anything. I don't know Caleb, I don't know if he's white or whatever, but saying that he used the word "dark" to differentiate from the "norm" is absurd since there is no proof. He may be mexican, and always liked "white girls" and suddenly Tyra is the first "darker" person. You see his comment as a mark from the typical, I see it as a categorical description, nothing else.

The word "meat" in the sensualized form that you are using would, yes, not mean that he considered her to be his equal. But he was talking about masterbating, and no boy looks at Eva Longoria and says, "My. What a fucking charming personality you have. The way you crinkle your nose at politics makes me pop a hard one." He was talking about raw, one-sided sex, with "meat" meaning a device of the human body. Natalie Portman, Eva, Scarlet Johansen, Kiera Knightley, would all be considered of "meat" in this situation. Same with men though. I mean, to fix this would mean to tell every man, "Only masterbate of your girlfriend/teacher/someone you admire as a person." Tough luck.

Also, I think intent means a great deal. Why is that? African-Americans can use the "n-word" without malice, but instead in satire. In the colonist days, the Americans stole the term "yankee" from the British's discriminatory slang. Today "yankee" reminds you of a baseball team, but in the deep South it's an insult because of the civil war. Because society is flawed, is the individual? If a child grew up and never understood the impact of the n-word, and they said it, does that make them racist, just because the adults are?

We'll drop the wigger argument. I was simply clarifying what he was saying, not telling you that is how it should go. He meant it as a satirical joke to piss you off.

Actually, I'm sure everyone is tired of this thread. Sorry.

geez, you guys must have been on the debate team at one point in time or something. although the subject is interesting to discuss (i guess) it sounds way more extreme than what caleb really meant.
Debate team? Nah. :) Those kids were going to law school, and I was pimping a Daewoo. Yeah, I figured everyone would get tired of reading after it stopped being funny. I'm not trying to make it out to be anymore than what Caleb said it was, but I'm trying to point out that not everything should be taken so literally or even so politically correct. Caleb meant it as a joke, and that is all. I was just trying to show that it was a joke, and not a derogatory comment.

[Adeniz19]

if this was a black guy saying something about a white girl this wouldnt even be a discussion. i hate the hypocrisy of this subject

[boekebong]

if this was a black guy saying something about a white girl this wouldnt even be a discussion. i hate the hypocrisy of this subject

That's not true.

[the_narrator]

if this was a black guy saying something about a white girl this wouldnt even be a discussion. i hate the hypocrisy of this subject
I would do Eva. God knows I would. She can be my meat. I can say that though, because I'm a chick. I'm not sexist, I just hate myself in that dirty, hypersexualized way. :bigsmile:

[Adeniz19]

That's not true.so you would of said something to caleb if he was black? you're full of shit if you say yes

and plus what caleb said was in the general forum. he has a right to say what he wants just like everyone else. i would agree with you about being "professional" if he said this in a news post, but it wasn't. I'm sure you have said far worse things then this.

[RawEmotion]

Gee, next time I go to the Big Chicken I will have to watch what I say at the counter:" Can I have 3 pcs of other than white meat, please".

[The Revisionist]

I WANT TO HAVE A TASTE OF WHITE MEAT, I'LL BET SHE DOESN'T SHAVE, THEM CRACKERS' VAGS BE LIKE GUNS'N'ROSES, WELCOME TO THE JUNGLE LOL

[Caleb Cattivera]

narrarator i have some white in me, but im predominantly italian and japanese...italianese if you will. and cindy crawford was my first piece of white meat...and damn. was that shit good.

[apoemtothedead]

narrarator i have some white in me, but im predominantly italian and japanese...italianese if you will. and cindy crawford was my first piece of white meat...and damn. was that shit good.
OMFGracist&sexist.

[the_narrator]

narrarator i have some white in me, but im predominantly italian and japanese...italianese if you will. and cindy crawford was my first piece of white meat...and damn. was that shit good.
Tell me you're half-woman, and it makes the argument even better. ;)

Shit, I had to kinda defend you. Hotlanta is as good as Athens, and that makes us practically family. Hell, and since we're from Georgia, that brings the total to two branches on that family tree.

[AshesAshes]

I am holding Caleb to a higher standard because he is staff and I think this makes the site look bad. I think what he said was particularly sexist because he said that she was a piece of meat. No intelligence, no soul, no personality...just something to jackoff to.
Kill yourself.

[The Revisionist]

Originally Posted by boekebong
I am holding Caleb to a higher standard because he is staff and I think this makes the site look bad. I think what he said was particularly sexist because he said that she was a piece of meat. No intelligence, no soul, no personality...just something to jackoff to. Dude, a photograph of anything has none of those characteristics.

[PunkDrums182]

ok so on the tyra banks post yesterday, about her boobs being real i made a comment about how 'i used to steal my moms VS magazines just to look at her, and that she was my first taste of dark meat' alot of you on here have talked to me, and know me, is this really a racist comment? i'd like to know some honest opinions.
Yes its so racist, you're as bad as a southern plantation owner.









(don't listen to people)

[SonEric84]

Yes its so racist, you're as bad as a southern plantation owner.









(don't listen to people)



haha Yeah, fuck people.

[mylkhead]

Dude, a photograph of anything has none of those characteristics.

That's exactly what I am thinking. Tyra Banks knows that guys are masturbating to her pictures. If you were a model and were using your body to earn money, then what does that make you? She sure isn't selling her personality on those Victoria's Secret ads.

[AreTwoKay]

Thats not racist at all

[Adeniz19]

Thats not racist at allpurple koolaid

[brandnewtbs23]

hey boekigbong (sp?) it was a joke sure it was a little on the edge but thats what makes things funny these days, if you cant find humor in dirty/tastelss jokes, this website wont be any fun for you

[FinchBulldog2]

Becuase racism and sexism have very real consequences in the lives of many people, and this is a place where I belong as much as any of you. Caleb started this thread, not me. I just spoke up when I saw something I thought was wrong. You can disagree with me, but I hope that you would do the same.
You suck.

[Kid Kilowatt]

Just explain to her you were expressing your love for the inferior ni.gger race.