Name some over rated amps

[mylastflight]

name over rated amps
but you can only post one name at a time.

ill go first
marshalll JVM series.

[The Boathouse]

Marshall JCM 800. Just my opinion, don't shoot!

[Mike Smith]

Marshall JCM 800. Just my opinion, don't shoot!

I agree

I mean they're good, but theres many better amps out there.

[tellmycaster]

jcm 2000
i hate this fuckin amp

[Mike Smith]

jcm 2000
i hate this fuckin amp

Lol im pretty sure that mostly all JCM amps from marshall suck

If you're going to get a marshall then you should definitely get a DSL of any kind.

[theguy77]

Lol im pretty sure that mostly all JCM amps from marshall suck

If you're going to get a marshall then you should definitely get a DSL of any kind.

hahaha the DSL series IS part of the JCM line, in fact its a type of the exact model in the post you quoted, idiot

[Mike Smith]

hahaha the DSL series IS part of the JCM line, in fact its a type of the exact model in the post you quoted, idiot

Haha well DSL is still better than JCM and i would much rather use a DSL than a JCM because DSL quality is much higher than that of the JCM

So i do know what i'm talking about so dont call me an idiot.

[theguy77]

Haha well DSL is still better than JCM and i would much rather use a DSL than a JCM because DSL quality is much higher than that of the JCM

So i do know what i'm talking about so dont call me an idiot.

dude the model you are talking about is called the JCM2000 DSL, it IS a JCM hahaha how can it be "of better quality"

[patrickhowell]

Haha well DSL is still better than JCM and i would much rather use a DSL than a JCM because DSL quality is much higher than that of the JCM

So i do know what i'm talking about so dont call me an idiot.

DSL stands for Dual Super Lead, and it is part of the JCM line. Here is a picture of a JCM 2000 DSL: http://www.surfnorthwest.com/images/DSL3.jpg

[Mike Smith]

dude the model you are talking about is called the JCM2000 DSL, it IS a JCM hahaha how can it be "of better quality"

I just feel that the DSL even though it may be a JCM line amp is better than those of just the JCM. Most of my friends that use DSL's feel the same way. It just seems like it gives you a smoother, better playing experience and the distortion seems better on them

But thats just me.

[patrickhowell]

I just feel that the DSL even though it may be a JCM line amp is better than those of just the JCM. Most of my friends that use DSL's feel the same way. It just seems like it gives you a smoother, better playing experience and the distortion seems better on them

But thats just me.

DSL just means it has two channels. The components aren't any different, so it's all in your head.

[Mike Smith]

DSL just means it has two channels. The components aren't any different, so it's all in your head.

Oh well i guess it must be in the heads of many people then lol. Because from what i've seen and heard from a ton of people is that they like the DSL better than JCM

But by the way, I'm not dissing the JCM series i happen to like them a lot, they're just highly overrated.

I would much rather use a Hartke or a Krank amp than a Marshall DSL or JCM

But i wasnt trying to start an argument, so sorry.

[patrickhowell]

You can't like something better than itself. I don't think you are getting the point that the JCM and DSL are the SAME THING.

[theguy77]

yeah the DSL is just a version of the JCM. if you like that particular version of the JCM better than the other versions of the JCM, then say that and no one will have an issue with that, but dont say "i like the DSL better than the JCM." that's like saying, "i like t-bones better than i like steak."

[Mike Smith]

yeah the DSL is just a version of the JCM. if you like that particular version of the JCM better than the other versions of the JCM, then say that and no one will have an issue with that, but dont say "i like the DSL better than the JCM." that's like saying, "i like t-bones better than i like steak."

True true. I guess i do need to choose my words a bit more carefully on here.

Like i said guys i meant no harm and did not mean to start an argument.

[theguy77]

True true. I guess i do need to choose my words a bit more carefully on here.

Like i said guys i meant no harm and did not mean to start an argument.

yeah man, like dont let anyone make you feel like you cant discuss something because of your opinion, just watch how you state your opinion.

[tellmycaster]

Krank as well, but this could have been the one i played, but i sat there for 2 hours and couldnt find a good nice sound i liked.
As for marshall. I just dont like the crunch on them. I think they all sound the same. And to be honest i thought the 800 was the best sounding one of them all. But still wasnt my cup o'tea. Unfortunatley I have yet to find a clean i am truely happy with. I have a mesa dual. and i love the crunch on it. I am not some metal head dude that puts the treble all the way up and the mid all the way down. I think it has a great warm sound to it if you keep the mids somewhere near 12 and the treble in the same vacinity(sp?) But like i said i cannot find a clean on it i like, ill have to play with it more, ive only had it for about 2 weeks. But i realy like the clean on orange rockerverb. sorry for going off onto a tangent. I just figured id throw out some useless information.

[ShimmerAndSpill]

I've never really liked marshall in general, vox on the other hand, is amazing.

[remoteCONTROL]

Dude one of the most UNDER rated amps ive ever played was the Gibson Goldtone GA-30RVS. It has one volume knob, tone knob and reverb knob and has the sweetest tone I've ever heard. We used a Matchless for most of our last record and wouldve chosen this over it. They're discontinued but the Guitar Center in Seattle has a used one for $1150. That might be where my tax return is going..

[The Boathouse]

Dude one of the most UNDER rated amps ive ever played was the Gibson Goldtone GA-30RVS. It has one volume knob, tone knob and reverb knob and has the sweetest tone I've ever heard. We used a Matchless for most of our last record and wouldve chosen this over it. They're discontinued but the Guitar Center in Seattle has a used one for $1150. That might be where my tax return is going..

This right here! That amp rules!

On the note of overrated stuff: shoot me for this one, but everything Orange has ever made...just not quite up to the hype, I feel. I know, I know. I'll pull out my scenery beads and start praying, but I've just never thought they sounded good enough to warrant that price tag.

[mylastflight]

i think orange tiny terror is a killer amp.
didnt like rocker 30. never tried ad series.
as for krank. i played krankenstein. its hard to use but after messing with it, it sounded really brutal.
its a sick amp in my opinion.
ok another over rated amp... peavey 6505 though i like 5150 first one.

[BrettVsShark]

Over-rated?
- Any Marshall, circa 1990+ (ESPECIALLY that JVM bullshit). Real Marshall tones come from a JCM800 (and yes, they too can be 'over-hyped', but they still kick a lot of ass), Plexi, etc. Not the piss-poor excuses for Marshalls that they make now.

- Bogner... None of them have been worth the hugely over-priced tag. If you want to spend A LOT of money on a mediocre amp... Spend it here.

- Mesa/Boogie Rectifier series: Yuck, you want a REAL Mesa tone? Go plug into a MKIV.

- Orange AD30: by far the darkest, nastiest sounding excuse for an Orange I've ever herd. When I think of Orange... I think OR120, Rockerverb 50/Rocker 30, even the Tiny Terror sounded more like an Orange. This does not stack up... Now, the AD140... That's a different story.

- 8/10 'boutique' manufacturers. The idea that these are small, independently owned companies are both rare and unheard is part of the mystique of owning one for sure. I've played probably everything you can think of and then some, and I can tell you... Part of the reason some of them are unheard of is because they are way over priced and they fucking blow. Nuff said.

- Koch TwinTone: wtf is this? I've herd solid-state Crates that were more sonically pleasing than this is capable of being.

- ANY AND ALL LINE-6 AMPS: Why do people buy these? The only thing L6 has ever made that was good was the DL4 delay modeler. EVERYTHING else, Spider series, Spider Valve, everything, EVERYTHING has been a complete and udder, toneless, soulless, piece of shit amp for little kids.

- Fender Hot Rod Deluxe/Deville, Deluxe Reverb, Twin... Before I get reamed for making this comment, I'd like to note that there is a HUGE difference between the new Fender amps and the old. The old? Vintage, or even not-that-vintage 90's era made-in-America Fender amps are amazing. The newer ones suffer from realiability and build quality issues.

-Hughes and Kettner Triamp: Way too much shit going on and not near enough good tones. It looks real cool though.

-Vox...: Sure, they sound great... But, if you buy a new AC30 or AC15, you can be sure your going to have issues. A+ in tone, F for reliability and longevity (again, minus the vintage stuff). I'm not even going to comment on the Valvetronix series. Just yuck.

-Orange Tiny Terror: As much as I love it myself, I have to agree that it is a bit over-hyped. It is LOUD and capable of being an amp for gigs and band practices, but... If you want to play cleans at 'band volumes' this isn't the amp to get. BUT, if you want an all-out, balls to the wall rock n' roll amp... This fits the bill.


Under-rated?
Bad Cat Classic Cat: 22 watts, one volume/one tone knobw, open-ended... Great headroom for being a 'low-wattage' amp, while not being deafening at an over-driven volume. Takes to pedals extremely well, the price is great, all point-to-point hand-built in the USA by an actual human-being, looks awesome, light-weight, etc, etc. This is a pretty perfect club amp.

Orange Rocker 30: For the price? Excellent amp. This will get you the Orange tones you all know and love without killing the bank (or resorting to a Tiny Terror).

Dr.Z: Everything that comes out of the Dr.Z camp is exceptional. Great quality, prices that don't break the bank (if your going to complain about spending a grand on an amp, your too cheap to be playing guitar). Try the Maz Jr, awesome cleans and awesome overdrive to boot!

[TheSkyline]

How about Marshall amps in general? They are way over hyped. Some of them sound good, but most of them are crap.

[splitsecond]

This thread is full of fail. I am not even going to bother.

[BrettVsShark]

This thread is full of fail. I am not even going to bother.

You should, I'd like to hear as many perspectives as possible.

[The Boathouse]

I feel like you don't, really. I may be wrong, but I feel like you're pretty sure of how you feel about pretty much every amp on the planet.

[BrettVsShark]

I feel like you don't, really. I may be wrong, but I feel like you're pretty sure of how you feel about pretty much every amp on the planet.

I've probably played damn near every amp on the planet (or at least a varietion of it). Do you know what I do for a living? haha

[Siren Silently]

Have you tried to Traynor YC's or Peavey Classics? Those absolutely belong on that underrated list; if you buy em used I don't think there is any possible way to find a better amp for $350.

[TheSkyline]

Have you tried to Traynor YC's or Peavey Classics? Those absolutely belong on that underrated list; if you buy em used I don't think there is any possible way to find a better amp for $350.

Those seem awesome, any idea what the difference between the 50/212 and the 50/410 are?

Also, does anyone know anything about the Egnater Rebel Half Stack?

[porttheman]

Gallien-Krueger. Ive only played a few different GK models,but i was not happy with any of them.

[mylastflight]

350 huh, get fender bandmasteror fender bassman circa 1968(9)-early 70s great head one trick pony tho. beautiful clean and starts to break up around 4 1/2 and ad over drive to it. i couldnt afford the amp i wanted before so i used that amp and an over drive. it sounded damn good.

[Siren Silently]

Those seem awesome, any idea what the difference between the 50/212 and the 50/410 are?


They are awesome. If you're looking for mid-gain British Crunch or warm cleans there is no alternative on a budget.

Only difference between those are the speaker configuration, the 212 is.. 2 12" speakers while the 410 is 4 10" inch speakers. The former will probably give you a bassier sound, the latter a punchier, middy sound. In reality though, if really doesn't matter thaaaat much; you can probably notice if you listen carefully, but to be honest I'd rather just save the money and buy the 2 12", swapping speakers would be much cheaper.

[shes.a.ghost]

I simply cannot agree that the Marshall JCM series is over-rated. Maybe thats because I know not to think the amp is absolutely incredible. For the price, it does it's job well in my opinion. I have owned several amps, including a JCM900 Hi Gain as well as a JCM900 dual reverb, and I got some great tones out of both. I do however prefer plenty of other amps over a Marshall.

[mylastflight]

i dont really like 2000 nor 900 but 800 is pretty good. its just way too loud

[The Boathouse]

Regarding the Egnater Rebel-

It's a great amp. When they launched there was a minor issue with the fx loop, but I know that if you contact Egnater directly, Bruce will send you a schematic for a repair. This was some time ago, so I suspect this problem has since been solved. I may be wrong, though.

Either way, that little problem was really not a problem enough to warrant avoiding the amp. It's loud and comes through with great clean or good breakup, too. The tube blend knob is a great feature, as well. Egnater makes great products to be sure! I liked it. Smelled a bit stiff initially, but I'll blame that on being in guitar center and the speaker being not broken in.

[Siren Silently]

I simply cannot agree that the Marshall JCM series is over-rated. Maybe thats because I know not to think the amp is absolutely incredible. For the price, it does it's job well in my opinion. I have owned several amps, including a JCM900 Hi Gain as well as a JCM900 dual reverb, and I got some great tones out of both. I do however prefer plenty of other amps over a Marshall.

That's probably why. Marshall is kind of 'the' rock amp of the generations, always has been.

[rorybligh]

any solid state presentation from line6 or marshall.

Avt marshall on the other hand is perfection

[patrickhowell]

any solid state presentation from line6 or marshall.

Avt marshall on the other hand is perfection

AVT is solid state (almost entirely)

[rorybligh]

Granted but the tube makes itself known, especially when the distortion kicks in,

i had a 30 dfx the distortion sounded like a haystack (it makes no sense but it's the only way i can describe it)

[Nijil]

Has anyone mentioned Line 6 yet? I work at a music store and Line 6 has to be the most overrated. I understand the draw of all the suppossed "effects" and "modling" you can do but to my ears they just don't sound right and the clean channel is horrible. Of course, this is not meant to bash anyone that has a Line 6, this is just my opinion. :-)

[rorybligh]

Has anyone mentioned Line 6 yet? I work at a music store and Line 6 has to be the most overrated. I understand the draw of all the suppossed "effects" and "modling" you can do but to my ears they just don't sound right and the clean channel is horrible. Of course, this is not meant to bash anyone that has a Line 6, this is just my opinion. :-)

I mentioned it a post back, i'm totally with you on the clean channel, such a cold lifeless sound.
distortions powerful but loses all clarity no matter how you try to scope it with tone

[The Boathouse]

:shrug: I just don't get how you can really think that the AVT's are legit tube amps...or all that much better than their purely solid state counterparts. Think about it- you've got preamp tubes, but not power amp tubes. Powertube saturation is what gives amps that classic tube overdrive that we're all chasing. Yes, I know, preamp saturation has an effect, but the tone of preamp saturation, as opposed to power stage saturation, is just not as tonally dynamic. But if you like it, by all means, play and enjoy!

[Sal]

I used to have an AVT. I think it makes a great back-up head. I think the tone is pretty nice for mostly being a solid state amp.

The acoustic simulator on the other hand is pretty much pointless in a live setting.

[theguy77]

the only solid state i played that sounded better than AVT is the orange crush, and that doesnt come in a half stack.

[patrickhowell]

:shrug: I just don't get how you can really think that the AVT's are legit tube amps...or all that much better than their purely solid state counterparts. Think about it- you've got preamp tubes, but not power amp tubes. Powertube saturation is what gives amps that classic tube overdrive that we're all chasing. Yes, I know, preamp saturation has an effect, but the tone of preamp saturation, as opposed to power stage saturation, is just not as tonally dynamic. But if you like it, by all means, play and enjoy!

Yeah, they're not tube amps... They're solid state amps with one extremely underpowered preamp tube... it's in the circuit, but it's not doing much. On the other hand, they're not terrible amps... They're pretty good entry-level amps and definitely a good backup amp. Another solid solid-state amp is the Peavey XXL. They're not awesome, but they're great as a backup in high-gain situations. Ask TheGuy77... I argued with him about the AVT for, what, two years? Now he knows how much better a real tube amp is.

[theguy77]

Yeah, they're not tube amps... They're solid state amps with one extremely underpowered preamp tube... it's in the circuit, but it's not doing much. On the other hand, they're not terrible amps... They're pretty good entry-level amps and definitely a good backup amp. Another solid solid-state amp is the Peavey XXL. They're not awesome, but they're great as a backup in high-gain situations. Ask TheGuy77... I argued with him about the AVT for, what, two years? Now he knows how much better a real tube amp is.

yeah and im playing one that a lot of people consider mediocre in comparison to others, but im in love with it, espcially given i got the 50-watt head for a mere 500 dollars. i went to the studio with my AVT but they had the JCM900 for me to try, i figured i'd give it a shot, so we recorded on both and A/B'd them. while the AVT tone was definitely marshall and surprisingly held it's own through a microphone, it sounded like you were hearing it with cotton in your ears compared to just the power, gritty breakup, and complete clarity the tube-driven 900 had.

[Rodeo]

Current guitar set-up:

1968 Gibson / Kalamazoo KG-1 (guitar)
1976 Applause AE-31 (acoustic)
1966 Vox Buckingham 2x12 (cabinet)
1978 Holmes Mississippi Bluesmaster (50w head)
1979 Electro-Harmonix Big Muff Pi (fuzz pedal)


The Holmes head is amazing for being a solid-state head. It is the best solid-state that I have personally ever heard. They are extremely rare as well and not a lot of info is available on there. What I do know is that Harrison Holmes left Peavey in the 70's and started making his own custom-wired boutique amps. In '79/'80 he sold the company and the amps went to shit. The amp I have has an AMAZING spring reverb channel and sounds delicious. It's all hand-wired and the serial number is VERY VERY low.

http://www.axcessmypics.com/photos/photo03/5b/5a/e258821c6e0d.jpg

There's a pic of the set-up. (sorry, camera phone).


You can hear it in action here: www.myspace.com/monologue


:-)

[thedinnerparty]

im just gunna go out there and say..

Marshall's SUCK.

ya. unless you have one from like the 50's....

[Rodeo]

im just gunna go out there and say..

Marshall's SUCK.

ya. unless you have one from like the 50's....




You're a fucking idiot. Marshall wasn't even FOUNDED until 1960.

[theguy77]

im just gunna go out there and say..

Marshall's SUCK.

ya. unless you have one from like the 50's....

ooh controversial. :rolleyes:

[patrickhowell]

im just gunna go out there and say..

Marshall's SUCK.

ya. unless you have one from like the 50's....

evidence ?

[thedinnerparty]

You're a fucking idiot. Marshall wasn't even FOUNDED until 1960.

exactly.
no marshall sounds good was my point.

they just kinda all sound the same to me.
i dunno, no real versatility you just get "The Marshall Sound"

i would go with a Vox (NOT THE VALVE crap) or a MESA.

[theguy77]

they just kinda all sound the same to me.
i dunno, no real versatility you just get "The Marshall Sound"

well thats true. you either like the marshall sound or you dont, although there is a noticable progression from vintage marshall, to mid 80s - mid 90s marshall, to modern marshall.

that said, if you do like the marshall sound, nothing can reasonably substitute for it, there really arent many amps that can growl like that while having a sound that comes out strong in the high-mid and treble ranges. you know some people complain that the marshall sound isnt smooth and buttery, but thats the point, some people really like how raw and gritty it is, me being one of those people.

[Sal]

I also prefer the sound of a Mesa over Marshall, but to say that all Marshalls suck...well that's just crazy.

Even their MG100HDFX aren't that bad (for the price). I was having some problems with my Voodoo at a show last weekend, and had to borrow my friend's MG100HDFX, and it didn't sound as bad as I thought it would. Decent for a house show.

[Rodeo]

exactly.
no marshall sounds good was my point.

they just kinda all sound the same to me.
i dunno, no real versatility you just get "The Marshall Sound"

i would go with a Vox (NOT THE VALVE crap) or a MESA.


You just compared a Vox to a Mesa? Wow. Want to hand up your shovel right now? You have ZERO credibility left now and that hole is WAYYY to big to climb out of. Best bet is to sign up under a new name and pretend this didnt happen.

[Rodeo]

I also prefer the sound of a Mesa over Marshall, but to say that all Marshalls suck...well that's just crazy.

Even their MG100HDFX aren't that bad (for the price). I was having some problems with my Voodoo at a show last weekend, and had to borrow my friend's MG100HDFX, and it didn't sound as bad as I thought it would. Decent for a house show.


The only thing worse that a Marshall solid-state is a Crate. :-d;-)

[patrickhowell]

exactly.
no marshall sounds good was my point.

they just kinda all sound the same to me.
i dunno, no real versatility you just get "The Marshall Sound"

i would go with a Vox (NOT THE VALVE crap) or a MESA.

Vox is MUCH less versatile than Marshall...

[patrickhowell]

that said, if you do like the marshall sound, nothing can reasonably substitute for it, there really arent many amps that can growl like that while having a sound that comes out strong in the high-mid and treble ranges.

Well, that's just not true... for example, one of the guitarists in my band has an Egnater Seminar head... it's got all of the Marshall tone (and then some) without all of the Marshall problems (weak transformers, cheap parts, poor construction)

[thedinnerparty]

The only thing worse that a Marshall solid-state is a Crate. :-d;-)

ok! agreed! crate suck. beyond belief.

[thedinnerparty]

You just compared a Vox to a Mesa? Wow. Want to hand up your shovel right now? You have ZERO credibility left now and that hole is WAYYY to big to climb out of. Best bet is to sign up under a new name and pretend this didnt happen.

ahh crap, i just re-read my statement,
sorry, i put the word OR i meant AND..
no comparing, trust me tat would be the most retarded thing ever, a Vox AND a Mesa,
hope that clears it up. shit i better start re-reading what i write. .

[The Boathouse]

You really don't need to worry about it. I'd be more worried about real life than the internet.

Either way, I'm not much into Marshall myself, but that's because I rarely play with much more than "slight overdrive." I'm a clean fiend :shrug:

[Nijil]

Does anyone know what name the old manufactuer of Orange is under now that Orange is owned by Korg?

[Nijil]

Either way, I'm not much into Marshall myself, but that's because I rarely play with much more than "slight overdrive." I'm a clean fiend :shrug:

I prefer clean myself, but most the Marshall's I've played through have a nice clean channel. Although I must say that a lot of the newer models (half stacks mostly) are getting a little whimpier. I have an older 10w practice amp that sounds better than some of the newer heads.

[patrickk1220]

Does anyone know what name the old manufactuer of Orange is under now that Orange is owned by Korg?
Orange was owned/associated with Matamp for a long time until it got bought by korg. Matamp amps are still made

[patrickhowell]

Electric Amp is the US branch - http://www.electricamp.com/

[nickstetina]

You just compared a Vox to a Mesa? Wow. Want to hand up your shovel right now? You have ZERO credibility left now and that hole is WAYYY to big to climb out of. Best bet is to sign up under a new name and pretend this didnt happen.

:-d

[mylastflight]

some kid here was talking about vox vavle series. i dont know the real name.
black tolex and silver pastic grill thing. is it just me that kinda dig that amp? its pretty cool for solid state.
its fun to mess around with hahaha.

[Cheesus]

Dr.Z: Everything that comes out of the Dr.Z camp is exceptional. Great quality, prices that don't break the bank (if your going to complain about spending a grand on an amp, your too cheap to be playing guitar). Try the Maz Jr, awesome cleans and awesome overdrive to boot!

My dad is a Dr.Z fanatic, they are really great amps. I can't seem to get a good "crunch" out of it but I realize it isn't exactly that type of amp. Have yet to try a hot plate on it though.

[theguy77]

haha holy shit. went and played a vox AC30 at a best buy the other day. now i completely understand the guy who bought it just for the clean tone and picked up distortion pedals for overdrive -- my first thought was "i would buy this just for the cleans" as well. $750 isnt too steep for a sound that expressive and clear, especially when looking to play something with less frequent use of gain/distortion, like indie-rock.

[Yontsey]

I have an Orange Rockerverb 50 and an Orange 2x12 closed back amp. Best setup I've personally ever used. I would recommend it to anyone.

I also love the Mesa single rectoverb. Real sharp.

[The Boathouse]

To theguy77- I just picked up an AC15. The cleans are fucking to die for, and yea the drive is off the chain, but christ, the CLEANS!

[devinisdie]

haha holy shit. went and played a vox AC30 at a best buy the other day. now i completely understand the guy who bought it just for the clean tone and picked up distortion pedals for overdrive -- my first thought was "i would buy this just for the cleans" as well. $750 isnt too steep for a sound that expressive and clear, especially when looking to play something with less frequent use of gain/distortion, like indie-rock.


they sell vox amps at best buy now? damn

[theguy77]

To theguy77- I just picked up an AC15. The cleans are fucking to die for, and yea the drive is off the chain, but christ, the CLEANS!

hell yeah man ive never heard a more pristine, expressive sound. LOTS of grit for blues/crunch when you need it too.

they sell vox amps at best buy now? damn

dude i was just as astounded as you. i didnt even know some best buy stores had music instrument sections, i only recently found out the one by my college does -- and a really legit one at that. they sell american tele's, upper echelon gibson guitars, boss's whole line of effects pedals (something close to like 50 differnet products), upper-end taylor/martin acoustics, a variety of synths and digital pianos, hell they even have a bogner half stack. its ridiculous. and on top of it all, they sell it at INTERNET prices! same prices as seen on musiciansfriend.com! with this new discovery ive decided that best buy is hands down my favorite store, no other superstore comes close to doing as many awesome things as best buy does.

[The Alliance]

Okay, before I say this I would like to say PLEASE DON'T SHOOT MY HEAD OFF! I'm the bassist of my band, not the guitarist.

NOW, can anyone tell me the difference between Mesa Triple Recs and Mesa Dual Recs? I'm just curious.

Oh, and I think that the Ampeg 8x10 cabs are grossly overrated. Every bassist is out to buy one because everyone else has them, and they wonder why they like hurt themselves lugging it around. I use a 6x10 and I can still get the same great tone out of it.

[patrickhowell]

Okay, before I say this I would like to say PLEASE DON'T SHOOT MY HEAD OFF! I'm the bassist of my band, not the guitarist.

NOW, can anyone tell me the difference between Mesa Triple Recs and Mesa Dual Recs? I'm just curious.

Oh, and I think that the Ampeg 8x10 cabs are grossly overrated. Every bassist is out to buy one because everyone else has them, and they wonder why they like hurt themselves lugging it around. I use a 6x10 and I can still get the same great tone out of it.

The Dual Rectifier is 100 watts, and the Triple Rectifier is 150 watts. They are both too loud. The Single rectifier is much better for almost ever application.

As far as the bass cabs, the Ampeg 810 and 610 are TOTALLY different, and not really comparable. The 810 is a sealed cab for more midrange punch, and the 610 is ported and tuned for lower bass response and higher efficiency, which translates to more volume per speaker.

[BrettVsShark]

My dad is a Dr.Z fanatic, they are really great amps. I can't seem to get a good "crunch" out of it but I realize it isn't exactly that type of amp. Have yet to try a hot plate on it though.

Dude, Dr.Z stuff rocks. The Maz 38 had plenty of crunch, at least with a humbucker guitar. I just had the master volume down and the volume cranked. Strum it kinda hard, and it almost had a Marshall Bluesbreaker kinda vibe to it. Awesome amps for sure.

The Maz Jr and Sr kick ass. Have you got to try brand new Z that just came out? The name escapes me, but its friggin' ridiculous. Send your dad my way when he is looking for Z stuff (shameless plug www.eddiesguitars.com)



Just to let you guys know, I guarantee you, your local mom and pop shop will price match internet prices if not beat them. I work for a small, independtely owned guitar shop and we do it everyday no questons asked (for high stuff like Orange, etc). Support your local dudes, they are probably really hurting right now.

[Nijil]

Just to let you guys know, I guarantee you, your local mom and pop shop will price match internet prices if not beat them. I work for a small, independtely owned guitar shop and we do it everyday no questons asked (for high stuff like Orange, etc). Support your local dudes, they are probably really hurting right now.


Most every music store is price matching the internet these days, it's almost the only way for them to stay afloat. The place I work for does the same thing.