The circus is coming to town...

[commatosa]

Please, someone help me out on this. I'll admit, I don't know much about it. But I do know that circuses have a knack for killing adult elephants in order to capture the baby elephants so that they can train them to become circus elephants. Ringling brothers is coming to my town in about a month and I would really enjoy exploiting their tactics to keep endagered species in captivity. I just think that capturing animals for any reason, let alone entertainment reasons, is an extremely vicious crime....especially when they murder the parents to do so. If they rescued them, I could understand, but I've actually witnessed poaching for circuses. And Ringling abuses their animals to boot. Help me out fellas.

[afk999]

i love the circus

[Rebs]

i love the circus, and i hate the assholes that try to hand me those books about how they torture and kill the elephants. i just want my cotton candy.

[Justin_stacy]

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Center_for_Elephant_Conservation

[commatosa]

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Center_for_Elephant_Conservation
www.circuses.com (http://www.circuses.com)

[splitsecond]

Yeah but if it wasnt for the circus, the elephants would live a sad meaningless life, where they didnt know how to stand on those little boxes.

[wyverna]

I think clowns should be banned... whoever thought those creepy guys were funny was crazy, in my opinion.

[commatosa]

guys. Seriously, all joking aside. Ringling brothers pays poachers in asia and africa to go and kill adult elephants (endangered) to capture their calves. Then, when they do catch them, they keep them chained up in small quarters. The only time the elephants do get to roam around is when the trainers are torturing them to perform unnatural circus tricks. Do you guys know how many circus elephants have died due to osteoarthritis problems? Go to www.circuses.com (http://www.circuses.com) and you can watch videos of trainers torturing elephants with hooks and prods. Ringling needs to eliminate animals from their circus altogether.

[swirlofhues]

that's really fucking sad. seriously, anyone who thinks elephants can be trained into living the life of pretty much what 'domesticated animals' could are total asses. elephants aren't meant for our amusment.

[UndefinedBoy]

that's really fucking sad. seriously, anyone who thinks elephants can be trained into living the life of pretty much what 'domesticated animals' could are total asses. elephants aren't meant for our amusment.

Yes they are.

[factnotfiction]

even if circuses weren't killing elephants (which i don't doubt they are), having any animal caged and transported all over the country as well as forcing them to do (really lame and unamusing) tricks is ridiculous. and yes, circuses and zoos were always fun as kids. but it's horrible to treat anything that way.

[Justin_stacy]

www.circuses.com (http://www.circuses.com)

well there's the end all to an argument, a link to peta :thumbsup: !

[commatosa]

well there's the end all to an argument, a link to peta :thumbsup: !
Dude, National Geographic even had a special about elephant poaching. And what was one of their major focal points? Circuses. But hey, I'm sure I'm just being a liberal nut. Because everyone knows that elephants are much better being held in captivity than they are in their natural habitat. So :thumbsup: right back atcha!

[Justin_stacy]

You are just being a liberal nut; I think you've proven that point numerous times ;) . As for this, the point was peta is not a valid body to reference from being the type of group that they are. No ones going to take seriously your argument if the basis for it is from the “findings” of an extremist group (and that’s being nice), particularly one not exactly known for its mental honesty. Now if you had linked national geographic, a respectable group, that would be another story...........but then again we are talking about elephants here, not something that's really high up on the ladder of importance....

[commatosa]

as an animal lover, it's pretty sad that it truly isn't something that's even remotely close to someone's priority list. Elephants are an endangered species. Circuses don't need animals. We've seen countless animals become extinct because us humans disturb their natural habitat. There's no need for circus animals...period. To disturb an endangered species' habitat only to kill and capture them for entertainment purposes is terribly disgusting. That's what Ringling Brothers does. It's been proven. I'm not trying to have a debate. I was just trying to discuss it. Hopefully, one day, there won't be any animals held in captivity for entertainment.

[YoungNastyMan]

Apperently animals prefer the circus life to living in a zoo

[GhostsDaddy]

I don't even like PETA.

[FScott]

Please, someone help me out on this. I'll admit, I don't know much about it. But I do know that circuses have a knack for killing adult elephants in order to capture the baby elephants so that they can train them to become circus elephants. Ringling brothers is coming to my town in about a month and I would really enjoy exploiting their tactics to keep endagered species in captivity. I just think that capturing animals for any reason, let alone entertainment reasons, is an extremely vicious crime....especially when they murder the parents to do so. If they rescued them, I could understand, but I've actually witnessed poaching for circuses. And Ringling abuses their animals to boot. Help me out fellas.
It's sad when you are concerned about the welfare of circus animals while starting joke threads out of abortion.

I've decided to create a whole new stance on abortion. Not pro-choice, or pro-life. Pro-abortion. I think every pregnancy should end in abortion.
hypocrisy

[Justin_stacy]

as an animal lover, it's pretty sad that it truly isn't something that's even remotely close to someone's priority list. .

Being an Animal lover or not, makes no difference. I enjoy animals, and love my dogs, but they are not as important as human life. Nor are their problems, as a whole, as important as human needs. Its a corrupted mental state that would lower humans to the level of animals......this is one of the reasons why peta is such a disgraceful group and has no support outside of the extremist world.

[commatosa]

It's sad when you are concerned about the welfare of circus animals while starting joke threads out of abortion.


hypocrisy
Yes, because you can't be against animal cruelty if you have a sense of humor.

Being an Animal lover or not, makes no difference. I enjoy animals, and love my dogs, but they are not as important as human life. Nor are their problems, as a whole, as important as human needs. Its a corrupted mental state that would lower humans to the level of animals......this is one of the reasons why peta is such a disgraceful group and has no support outside of the extremist world.
So abusing animals is completely justified because their problems aren't as big as ours. Taking animals out of the circus would definitely create huge problems for humans (sarcasm). You're right, Justin, let's keep animals in captivity cause they don't mind. We can abuse anything as long as they're not humans. Cause they don't have anything to worry about. Man, it makes so much sense.

[Justin_stacy]

So abusing animals is completely justified because their problems aren't as big as ours. .

There are numerous laws against animal cruelty that humans have created. And for the resources our officials have, I’d say there enforcement is beyond what can be expected. But it is without a doubt second in importance to humans.

The concept of this is very clear, even someone like you should be able to understand it. Take Katrina for example, thousands of animals were left behind to die, as rescuers saved the humans that were stranded. Is this sad, yes, but the importance of saving human life supersedes the saving of the animals lives. Animals can be replaced, humans can not.

Taking animals out of the circus would definitely create huge problems for humans (sarcasm)..

First I thought we were talking beyond just the circus elephants, to all animals. Second you can not say that all animals in circus's are abused. A link to peta proves nothing as they are first and foremost a dishonest group. It would also go against reason that a person would abuse his or her lively hood for no reason, it makes no since. People won't pay to see sick animals, they won't pay to see hurt animals, they won't pay to see starved animals, and they won't pay to see bloodied animals. Nor is it logical to think that with the amount of money and time it takes to train these animals that they would just be left to rot. Even someone like you who doesn't understand the business world should be able to understand that. So I hardly believe for one minute that all these animals are in an abusive state. Particularly when the group in question is so recognizable.

http://www.ringling.com/animals/answer.aspx#q1

You're right, Justin, let's keep animals in captivity cause they don't mind.We can abuse anything as long as they're not humans. Cause they don't have anything to worry about. Man, it makes so much sense.

How do you know what an animal minds? You can't just act like an animal thinks like a human, when they don't, that's what makes us different from them. Animals aren't just born with a concept of "freedom", my dogs have never seen a "free" day in their lives and from what I can tell their the most content things in the world. So captivity by its self is not a form of abuse.

[commatosa]

Obviously human lives are more important than animal lives. I'm not disagreeing with you there. I'm trying to point out that Ringling has been convicted of countless accounts of abusing their animals (neglect, beating, etc.). And all living things mind physical pain. We know that when you beat an animal to break the skin, it's going to hurt that animal. I've seen pictures, numerous videos, national geographic specials, etc. etc. I'm sure Ringling doesn't abuse all of their animals, but they have abused quite a few. I will never support Ringling. I know that they have contributed to elephant poaching in Asia and Africa (national geographic). They fund elephant safaris/hunts where the poachers murder the mother and father and justify it by saying they're "thinning" the herd and then capture the calves who just witnessed their parents die. They raise them in captivity without anything even close to sufficient for the world's largest land animal to roam. I watched all of this on the National Geographic channel. And then I learned that the circus was coming to town and wanted to protest it, so I dug on the internet and looked for some dirt on the circus. I stumbled on circuses.com and watched some videos. Maybe PETA is an evil orginazation, but it's hard to argue with a video of a circus trainer beating and ripping elephants' skin in a barn. That's what I watched. And no one can really give me any justification for keeping elephants, tigers, and lions in captivity. These animals have been roaming freely for the last million years. No animals should be enslaved exclusively for humans' entertainment. Once elephants are out of the circus, no one's going to die. Everyone will survive. My main point here is that the freedom of animals is much greater than the mild enjoyment of people. Sorry if some people are inconvenienced. I just don't think it's much of a fair trade.