What annoys you most in a song?

[JaredRigsby]

I'd like to know what really gripes you in a pop-punk/pop-rock/rock/emo/anime-hair-band/pop song. Whether it's certain chord progressions, instruments, vocal techniques, lyrical cliches, percussion, or anything else, I want to know. No detail is too small. If it annoys you, and you hear it all the time in songs, let it be known here. What lyric have you heard a hundred times too many? Which four successive chords drive you to the brink of insanity?

Here are some simple ideas to get you thinking:
- Pronouncing a word such as 'break', as 'braa-ee-aa-ee-ake'
- Filling in missing syllables at the end of a lyric with the words 'now', 'tonight', or 'right now', even when completely inappropriate and out of context. i.e., 'Today we walk this road alone tonight.'
- Ending the bridge with a soft, piano and voice version of the chorus (even when no one in the band plays the piano), then going back into the chorus with the full band; poorly attempting to emulate dynamic.
- What I like to call 'octave solos'. Which is an octave chord being played as the rest of the instruments cut out, leaving the drums (usually just cymbal and snare hits for a measure or so) and the octave solo. These are awfully overused.

The options and aggravations are endless... I've been thinking about this for a while, and have plenty of my own generic song annoyances, but I want to hear yours.

[Chromefox]

Cheesy filler vocals.

[Praetor]

-Forced rhyme schemes
-G-C-D x 4
-Anything to do with burning bridges...100% of the time. Seriously, let's face it. What makes you think you can do this any better than the millions of people who did it before you? Give the tired metaphor a rest.
-In general, predictability. If I can predict the phrase/chord/note in the vocal melody that comes next it's really disheartening for me.

[ntb60]

Bad screaming.

[kearn1tm]

Jesse Lacey's involvement.

[xJesusFreakx]

Most of those things can annoy me but aren't always that big of a deal. Nothing annoys me more than bad production, especially pushing the volume way too high (see: "The Loudness War" on YouTube; Death Magnetic). Bands with generic breakdowns are high up there as well. Also, stupidly auto tuned vocals drive me crazy. I don't mind 808s and Heartbreak because it fits the mood, but so many scene bands do it just to easily have a generic "catchy" chorus.

[kearn1tm]

Max Bemis' involvement.

[DilesMavis]

Most of those things can annoy me but aren't always that big of a deal. Nothing annoys me more than bad production, especially pushing the volume way too high (see: "The Loudness War" on YouTube; Death Magnetic). Bands with generic breakdowns are high up there as well. Also, stupidly auto tuned vocals drive me crazy. I don't mind 808s and Heartbreak because it fits the mood, but so many scene bands do it just to easily have a generic "catchy" chorus.

I agree with this. Generic breakdowns drive me insane.

[Brokenhill]

Too much repetition.

[xJesusFreakx]

Jesse Lacey's involvement.

Max Bemis' involvement.

lulz

[JaredRigsby]

-Forced rhyme schemes
-G-C-D x 4
-Anything to do with burning bridges...100% of the time. Seriously, let's face it. What makes you think you can do this any better than the millions of people who did it before you? Give the tired metaphor a rest.
-In general, predictability. If I can predict the phrase/chord/note in the vocal melody that comes next it's really disheartening for me.

Good stuff!

Burning bridges... Awful, awful metaphor in a song. Especially if that bridge happens to be burning 'tonight'.

G-C-D is bad, but can be used properly and quite well. G-D-Em-C and variations thereof are in this category as well.

[Cyga]

The old 'Right before we repeat the chorus for the last time, let's either slow down or become very quiet, or both'.

[what_ever]

-bad/overused metaphors
-melodramatic/insincere lyrics
-forced guitar solos or breakdowns
-overproduction. for the most part, less is more.


love your band.

[JaredRigsby]

-bad/overused metaphors
-melodramatic/insincere lyrics
-forced guitar solos or breakdowns
-overproduction. for the most part, less is more.


love your band.

Thanks man!

Overproduction is a funny thing... I love listening to bands who abuse auto-tune, and have the most slick, practically fake sounding instruments; then imagining what their songs would sound like if they were recorded 15 years ago, before any of that technology existed. The sad truth is, those bands wouldn't even be able to record an album. They would never be able to spread their talentless poison. And the world would be a better place.

[|adr3naLine|]

The old 'Right before we repeat the chorus for the last time, let's either slow down or become very quiet, or both'.
I like that most of the time.:shrug:

Lyrically I hate rhyming just for the sake of rhyming, or because the writer thinks that a song needs his song to rhyme in order to be good/catchy. I tend to like when words don't' completely rhyme, but have a close "sound" so they work together. i.e. I'm listening to Eminem and he just used piss and turbulence. On their own, they don't rhyme, but the way he delivered it, made it work without sounding forced.

Edit: And when a band tries to showcase talents too much. Like on guitar or drums. Cool, you can play a solo, too bad it ruined your song.

[micahistheballs]

-Forced rhyme schemes
-G-C-D x 4
-Anything to do with burning bridges...100% of the time. Seriously, let's face it. What makes you think you can do this any better than the millions of people who did it before you? Give the tired metaphor a rest.
-In general, predictability. If I can predict the phrase/chord/note in the vocal melody that comes next it's really disheartening for me.
I have to agree with predictability. When I can figure out a lyric before it gets there, it drives me mad.

Idiot wind, blowing like a circle around my skull,
From the Grand Coulee Dam to the Capitol.

Now that's a good couplet.

[dancelukedance]

-Forced rhyme schemes
-G-C-D x 4
-Anything to do with burning bridges...100% of the time. Seriously, let's face it. What makes you think you can do this any better than the millions of people who did it before you? Give the tired metaphor a rest.
-In general, predictability. If I can predict the phrase/chord/note in the vocal melody that comes next it's really disheartening for me.


YEAH!

And "Loose lips sink ships" that lyric is used in SO many songs

[fly_guy]

Any song that says "heart on his sleeve" or a variation of that.

[JaredRigsby]

Any song that says "heart on his sleeve" or a variation of that.

Ooooh yeah... Very nice.
'Wearing my heart on my sleeve' is one of the worst lyrics out there.

Here's one for you:
What I like to call an 'Echo-echo-bo-becho', which is a partially-repeated lyric at the end of a line (usually with some sort of cheesey vocal effect). For example, 'I've got my heart on my sleeve, is it too much for you to take tonight? (take tonight?)'

These are great. Keep 'em coming guys!

[Praetor]

Ooooh yeah... Very nice.
'Wearing my heart on my sleeve' is one of the worst lyrics out there.

Here's one for you:
What I like to call an 'Echo-echo-bo-becho', which is a partially-repeated lyric at the end of a line (usually with some sort of cheesey vocal effect). For example, 'I've got my heart on my sleeve, is it too much for you to take tonight? (take tonight?)'

These are great. Keep 'em coming guys!
haha that cheesy delay always kills me. Angles and Airwaves much?

[Praetor]

I have to agree with predictability. When I can figure out a lyric before it gets there, it drives me mad.

Idiot wind, blowing like a circle around my skull,
From the Grand Coulee Dam to the Capitol.

Now that's a good couplet.
haha and of course it's Bob Dylan. Oh Micah.

[Praetor]

Good stuff!

Burning bridges... Awful, awful metaphor in a song. Especially if that bridge happens to be burning 'tonight'.

G-C-D is bad, but can be used properly and quite well. G-D-Em-C and variations thereof are in this category as well.
I wasn't talking about those chords specifically (although they ARE quite common...) I'm just talking about any annoying repetition of chords. I listen to a ton of pop/pop-punk music so I'm kind of being a hypocrite here, haha. But it does get old after a while.

[secretsociety92]

4 minute songs that only really need to be 3 minutes
Vocals on duets that don't work
Vocalists who try and be someone they just aren't.

[duhpunk]

Auto-Tune
Overbearing synths
Songs ending in random, annoying noises for no apparent reason (such as static, screeching, phone off the hook, etc.)


Basically, I'm sick of musicians using gimmicks to mask the actual playing of music. There are tons of bands out there that should be signed and successful, as well as many who are signed and have no business calling themselves a band at all.

[eatsound]

Agree with all of that ^

And a lot that was already said, like predictable lyrics, cliche lyrics, overproduced..etc.

[Blueskyburning]

crappy beatdowns and gay keyboards

ala this band http://www.myspace.com/thescarletdesireuk from where i live, all the kids love them but they suck so bad

go away gay synths

[micahistheballs]

haha and of course it's Bob Dylan. Oh Micah.
He is the best lyricist of all time after all.

[diiiiilooooch]

Bands that scream the whole song (Ex: Bring me the Horizon), and bands that sing in that same annoying pop-punk voice. (Ex: The Academy is..., All Time Low, We the Kings). Don't get me started about those bands. -_-

[ImARealBoy]

Bands that scream the whole song (Ex: Bring me the Horizon), and bands that sing in that same annoying pop-punk voice. (Ex: The Academy is..., All Time Low, We the Kings). Don't get me started about those bands. -_-

What exactly makes a voice an "annoying pop-punk voice"?

[Jake Denning]

Auto-Tune
Manson and Slayer
Those whom scream who dont hold the talent

[|adr3naLine|]

When the band doesn't dress with what's in fashion. Like come on, I'm coming out to your show. At least try to look relevant.



I kid.

[diiiiilooooch]

What exactly makes a voice an "annoying pop-punk voice"?

All those kinda bands have the same type of style and voice. Give them a listen. If I didn't know the songs, I wouldn't be able to tell the difference between which band is who.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=eMvqQMSWzck - The Academy Is...
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GcNiKCmWdYE - All Time Low
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RjO6CHmd-bg - We the Kings
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Hh1FcBJaNeI - Metro Station

I am ready to jump out the window right now.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8I4nNj1r4uQ - Rise Against FTW! :)

[ThisIsNotDan]

-overbearing synths
-cheesy wordplay (i.e. many Pete Wentz lines, the new FYS, stuff like "get up for the let down")
-most breakdowns

alot of things people have already said

[Praetor]

He is the best lyricist of all time after all.
With God On Our Side: great song or greatest song?

[Praetor]

-overbearing synths
-cheesy wordplay (i.e. many Pete Wentz lines, the new FYS, stuff like "get up for the let down")
-most breakdowns

alot of things people have already said
I'm no good at math, and besides...

tha dolla is dowww-ow-un

[Bruised26]

I really dont like mediocre lyrics that are about "how much I miss my girl" and that stuff. I find it annoying.
Bands that only care about what they look like and let the computers take control of their music...cough cough Metro Station
Auto Tune

[goodarmcindy]

crappy beatdowns and gay keyboards

ala this band http://www.myspace.com/thescarletdesireuk from where i live, all the kids love them but they suck so bad

go away gay synths

Good lord that is quite, quite awful. I think some-one had got their hands on a new Casio and was just dying to show it off.

The song "Wet 'n' Wild' is the perfect vehicle for this thread:

-crap synths
-shocking beatdowns
-far too much awful screaming
-massively over-long "Woahh oh" section when they obviously forgot to think of any more lyrics
-pointless gangvocals
-piss poor rhyming (although that is in one of the other songs)

[ThisIsNotDan]

I'm no good at math, and besides...

tha dolla is dowww-ow-un

yeah the lyrics on that album are pretty bad at times, but its such a feel-good album. their first one for me where I love every track

[JaredRigsby]

crappy beatdowns and gay keyboards

ala this band http://www.myspace.com/thescarletdesireuk from where i live, all the kids love them but they suck so bad

go away gay synths

'Owww, my freakin ears...' That synth sounds like a child's playschool keyboard, and is at least twice as loud as everything else. Bad form.

Here's a good one:
A single ride tap on the bell after a drum fill... yuck.

Also, every hardcore band massively over-using china cymbals.

[Blueskyburning]

ya, they suck.

songs with class intros but after the intro it sucks.

e.g. cursed - intro from "II"

i hate that album, "I" was fucking stellar though, class modern hardcore album

[Praetor]

yeah the lyrics on that album are pretty bad at times, but its such a feel-good album. their first one for me where I love every track
Really? That's surprising, I can't stand w.a.m.s or 27, off the top of my head. It is a feel-good album though, for sure.
ya, they suck.

songs with class intros but after the intro it sucks.

e.g. cursed - intro from "II"

i hate that album, "I" was fucking stellar though, class modern hardcore album
No way dude, II > III > I for me.

[micahistheballs]

With God On Our Side: great song or greatest song?
Great song.

[Blueskyburning]

Really? That's surprising, I can't stand w.a.m.s or 27, off the top of my head. It is a feel-good album though, for sure.

No way dude, II > III > I for me.

fair play man, II or III just never clicked with me, really didn't like the latest ep they did as well, bought it then listened to it while driving hope, nearly died haha

[Praetor]

Great song.
Ahh sorry champ, I was looking for "greatest". Try again next time.
fair play man, II or III just never clicked with me, really didn't like the latest ep they did as well, bought it then listened to it while driving hope, nearly died haha
haha. Blackout at Sunrise? I have it downloaded but never really had the motivation to listen.

[ElevenElm]

I dislike when bands put useless noises at the end of their songs. I can't even listen to the hidden track at the end of 'I'm From There' by the Bouncing Souls because the noise between the two songs bothers me so much.

[Blueskyburning]

yeh man, i think that was the most dreary shit i have ever heard haha

[Praetor]

Where there's a song at the end of an album, twenty minutes of silence, and a hidden track (often useless).

[xJesusFreakx]

Where there's a song at the end of an album, twenty minutes of silence, and a hidden track (often useless).

I really like the idea of a hidden track, but two songs on the same track, with a ton of silence in between, is definitely very annoying. Maybe if the "hidden" track wasn't the same track as the last (or technically second to last) track, and in place of silence, they had a soft, repetitive guitar/piano piece, or sounds like waves, rain, a fireplace, traffic... Something like that.

[SomedayTheFire]

Over used china cymbals and cow bells.

[ThisIsNotDan]

Really? That's surprising, I can't stand w.a.m.s or 27, off the top of my head. It is a feel-good album though, for sure.

No way dude, II > III > I for me.

27 and Coffee are the only one's I'd skip personally

[JaredRigsby]

There's one lyric in particular that I'm hoping someone will mention. And of all the things mentioned in this thread, this one aggravates me the most.

I'm not saying what it is... But once you notice it, you'll hear it in almost every pop-punk/rock song out there. And it will hurt your brain that so many lyricists could use the same generic words and not even realize it. I don't blame them, as it's incredibly subtle and sneaky - which is why none of you have noticed it yet. But I still yearn for its death. It gives me 'Frank Grimes syndrome', as seen here: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=AEr5I5d_EKw

I'll give you a hint:
Just as 'tonight' is the ultimate filler lyric for the end of a line, this is the ultimate filler lyric for the beginning of a line.
And I used it somewhere in this very post...

Any guesses?

[fly_guy]

I hate it when a band miss-pronounces their words on purpose or use fake accents

[starfallxxx]

27 and Coffee are the only one's I'd skip personally
those songs and wams i think are good but the last couple of minutes like kill the song

[fly_guy]

There's one lyric in particular that I'm hoping someone will mention. And of all the things mentioned in this thread, this one aggravates me the most.

I'm not saying what it is... But once you notice it, you'll hear it in almost every pop-punk/rock song out there. And it will hurt your brain that so many lyricists could use the same generic words and not even realize it. I don't blame them, as it's incredibly subtle and sneaky - which is why none of you have noticed it yet. But I still yearn for its death. It gives me 'Frank Grimes syndrome', as seen here: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=AEr5I5d_EKw

I'll give you a hint:
Just as 'tonight' is the ultimate filler lyric for the end of a line, this is the ultimate filler lyric for the beginning of a line.
And I used it somewhere in this very post...

Any guesses?

I didn't see it. :-(

[Praetor]

27 and Coffee are the only one's I'd skip personally
Hmm, Coffee's one of my favorites haha. Weird how everybody seems to have different favs/least favs on that album.
There's one lyric in particular that I'm hoping someone will mention. And of all the things mentioned in this thread, this one aggravates me the most.

I'm not saying what it is... But once you notice it, you'll hear it in almost every pop-punk/rock song out there. And it will hurt your brain that so many lyricists could use the same generic words and not even realize it. I don't blame them, as it's incredibly subtle and sneaky - which is why none of you have noticed it yet. But I still yearn for its death. It gives me 'Frank Grimes syndrome', as seen here: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=AEr5I5d_EKw

I'll give you a hint:
Just as 'tonight' is the ultimate filler lyric for the end of a line, this is the ultimate filler lyric for the beginning of a line.
And I used it somewhere in this very post...

Any guesses?
I'm guessing either "and" and/or "but"

[ThisIsNotDan]

Hmm, Coffee's one of my favorites haha. Weird how everybody seems to have different favs/least favs on that album.

I'm guessing either "and" and/or "but"

yeah it's weird. oh well, I think it's their best album yet. it boggles my mind how some people defend TTTYG to the death and find nothing good about FAD

[ThisIsNotDan]

oh yeah, also the whole "loose lips sink ships" crap is pretty annoying too

[Praetor]

yeah it's weird. oh well, I think it's their best album yet. it boggles my mind how some people defend TTTYG to the death and find nothing good about FAD
Yeah, my favorite FOB record is TTTYG, and it's got a lot of personal value for me, but listening back right now there's like two or three songs I don't even like anymore. I don't think there's any Fall Out Boy album on which I like every song anymore, to tell you the truth.

[ThisIsNotDan]

Yeah, my favorite FOB record is TTTYG, and it's got a lot of personal value for me, but listening back right now there's like two or three songs I don't even like anymore. I don't think there's any Fall Out Boy album on which I like every song anymore, to tell you the truth.

the only FOB record in which I legitimately dislike any of the songs is IOH. "This Ain't A Scene..." is just...wow

[xJesusFreakx]

the only FOB record in which I legitimately dislike any of the songs is IOH. "This Ain't A Scene..." is just...wow

Ha, that's one of the only songs I like on there. "Thriller," "Hum Hallelujah," and "Arms Race" are really the only IOH songs I can go back and listen to now that FAD is out; not that there aren't other good songs, but they feel like b-sides in comparison to everything else on FAD (besides "w.a.m.s.").

[Praetor]

the only FOB record in which I legitimately dislike any of the songs is IOH. "This Ain't A Scene..." is just...wow
hahaha that song sucks so hard. It's got some gems though; Thriller, Take Over, Hallelujah, Don't You Know..., and Crashing are all great jams. Too bad the album's weighted down by tracks like Arms Race, Lawyer, All This Ringing..., et al.

[ThisIsNotDan]

hahaha that song sucks so hard. It's got some gems though; Thriller, Take Over, Hallelujah, Don't You Know..., and Crashing are all great jams. Too bad the album's weighted down by tracks like Arms Race, Lawyer, All This Ringing..., et al.

yeah I used to hate it and I gave it a good chance after a year and it does have some really good ones on there

[starfallxxx]

Ha, that's one of the only songs I like on there. "Thriller," "Hum Hallelujah," and "Arms Race" are really the only IOH songs I can go back and listen to now that FAD is out; not that there aren't other good songs, but they feel like b-sides in comparison to everything else on FAD (besides "w.a.m.s.").
I agree i think FAD totally blew the socks off of IOH

[MADSTA]

One thing I hate is when bands have really straight-forward lyrics that aren't clever, funny, and don't even sound cool. Just very, very literal.

-In general, predictability. If I can predict the phrase/chord/note in the vocal melody that comes next it's really disheartening for me.
Yes, definitely. I find myself being able to sing along to a lot of pop songs when I'm hearing them for the first time.
The old 'Right before we repeat the chorus for the last time, let's either slow down or become very quiet, or both'.
With the right song, I actually like this.
Songs ending in random, annoying noises for no apparent reason (such as static, screeching, phone off the hook, etc.).
This reminds me of the end of Dark Blue by Jack's Mannequin... that one really low not played on the piano. Almost ruins the song for me.
Where there's a song at the end of an album, twenty minutes of silence, and a hidden track (often useless).
It's kind of petty, but the thing that bugs me the most about this is that usually I just listen until the song is over and then skip the silence and "hidden track" so it shows that I've listened to that song 0 times even though I haven't. I could easily just go to the very end, but I always forget and I'm pretty lazy.
There's one lyric in particular that I'm hoping someone will mention. And of all the things mentioned in this thread, this one aggravates me the most.

I'm not saying what it is... But once you notice it, you'll hear it in almost every pop-punk/rock song out there. And it will hurt your brain that so many lyricists could use the same generic words and not even realize it. I don't blame them, as it's incredibly subtle and sneaky - which is why none of you have noticed it yet. But I still yearn for its death. It gives me 'Frank Grimes syndrome', as seen here: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=AEr5I5d_EKw

I'll give you a hint:
Just as 'tonight' is the ultimate filler lyric for the end of a line, this is the ultimate filler lyric for the beginning of a line.
And I used it somewhere in this very post...

Any guesses?
"But I still"?
I read through your post so many times to try to find it.

[batmannj]

I hate deathcore in general, or any band that is heavy for the sake of being heavy.
I cannot stand it when a metal band plays the double bass peddle almost the entire time.
The same chord patterns used over and over.
Music that lacks passion, and when you can tell the band has mailed it in.
Generic music that strives for nothing more than picking up on the new craze.

One band that doesn't annoy me at all is House Of Heroes :)

[TheFaceOfZach]

I hate it when vocalists intentionally try get nasally and nasall-ier vocals.

[headinthesand]

There's one lyric in particular that I'm hoping someone will mention. And of all the things mentioned in this thread, this one aggravates me the most.

I'm not saying what it is... But once you notice it, you'll hear it in almost every pop-punk/rock song out there. And it will hurt your brain that so many lyricists could use the same generic words and not even realize it. I don't blame them, as it's incredibly subtle and sneaky - which is why none of you have noticed it yet. But I still yearn for its death. It gives me 'Frank Grimes syndrome', as seen here: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=AEr5I5d_EKw

I'll give you a hint:
Just as 'tonight' is the ultimate filler lyric for the end of a line, this is the ultimate filler lyric for the beginning of a line.
And I used it somewhere in this very post...

Any guesses?

Is it "This is the.."?
Because in that case I very much agree.

[mycuban]

i hate when a chorus is repeated too many times in a song, i know it's the chorus but sometimes 2 times is enough.
i also hate when bands leave the track recording and it's just an obnoxious monotone noise for 1 minute after the song is over, just cut and go to the next track.

and i'm with everybody else on the irritating cliche lyrics thing.

[cauterize_this]

I hate when a band simply plays an open E string tuned to Drop D over, and over, and over,and over,and over,and over,and over,and over.... etc.
I also hate when songs do the chorus twice in a row, but once with a choir..(AAR - Gives you Hell). Like seriously, be creative and come up with another verse.

[fly_guy]

I love chain vocals. A chugga-chugga band should make a song that's just chain vocals. for fun.

[fly_guy]

I also love this thread

[thehereaway]

The old 'Right before we repeat the chorus for the last time, let's either slow down or become very quiet, or both'.

sweet avatar

[pacmanghost x]

Shitty Growls/Screams.

[fadedmemories]

Bad screaming.
THIS.

[swt_catastrophe]

I really like the idea of a hidden track, but two songs on the same track, with a ton of silence in between, is definitely very annoying. Maybe if the "hidden" track wasn't the same track as the last (or technically second to last) track, and in place of silence, they had a soft, repetitive guitar/piano piece, or sounds like waves, rain, a fireplace, traffic... Something like that.
I definitely agree with you. Usually, I'll have my ipod on its dock and I'll think the song is over, only to be startled when music starts playing ten minutes later.

[5P3NC312]

When the randomly go up a key, or they keep playing a certain part of the song for the "outro".

GRRRR!

[fadedmemories]

Misplaced breakdowns.

[BJW7191]

i hate songs that end so abruptly. like they just end it on that note. see josie- blink 182 for an example (with the exception of the little guitar fade part at the end)

[Fin.]

Overly obvious lyrics in a chorus annoy me. Example: "Life Is Good. Eternal Life Is Better."

Lyrics that sound like they were written by a 13 year old boy coming into puberty: Example: "Something In Your Mouth" - Nickelback

If I were king you'd be my queen type lyrics. Example: "If I Were King" - Queensryche

When you can predict the next line to the song due to the most obvious of rhymes. Jeremy Camp is the master at this.

Drum fills where zero effort is evident. Example: "Second Chance" - Shinedown

[fadedmemories]

Too much sampling/programming

[reissgoespunk]

The final chorus shifting to the next key. It always sounds terrible.

[Cuddleworthy]

i like how pretty much all things mentioned in this thread that have to do with lyrics, have been done by fall out boy

[JaredRigsby]

Is it "This is the.."?
Because in that case I very much agree.

Very good... I didn't think anyone would get it.

Though, it's actually just 'This is...'

Oh how I loathe 'This is' songs...

'This is a broken heart tonight'
'This is the final stand!'
'This is setting the captives free'
'This is a revolution!'
'This is like gravity tonight'
'This is burning the bridges tonight'
'This is the final warning'
'This is my heart on my sleeve tonight'
'This is a brand new concept'
'This is what every other band is doing, so I'll copy it tonight''


I promise you'll be hard-pressed to find ANY pop song out there without 'This is...'
Or for that matter, any song without 'This is...' AND 'tonight'.

In fact, I challenge anyone to find me a pop-punk song that doesn't use 'This is...' or 'tonight'. I would be blown away. I love pop-punk music, but the music and lyrics are just getting lazier and lazier. You shouldn't need to tell us what 'this is'... Just write some good lyrics that tell us what 'this is', without cheaping out and saying it...
:explode:
This is my head exploding tonight!

[spriltsc]

autotune.

[UnderMyDreams]

Overly obvious lyrics in a chorus annoy me. Example: "Life Is Good. Eternal Life Is Better."

Lyrics that sound like they were written by a 13 year old boy coming into puberty: Example: "Something In Your Mouth" - Nickelback

If I were king you'd be my queen type lyrics. Example: "If I Were King" - Queensryche

When you can predict the next line to the song due to the most obvious of rhymes. Jeremy Camp is the master at this.

Drum fills where zero effort is evident. Example: "Second Chance" - Shinedown

hahahahaha

[UnderMyDreams]

Very good... I didn't think anyone would get it.

Though, it's actually just 'This is...'

Oh how I loathe 'This is' songs...

'This is a broken heart tonight'
'This is the final stand!'
'This is setting the captives free'
'This is a revolution!'
'This is like gravity tonight'
'This is burning the bridges tonight'
'This is the final warning'
'This is my heart on my sleeve tonight'
'This is a brand new concept'
'This is what every other band is doing, so I'll copy it tonight''


I promise you'll be hard-pressed to find ANY pop song out there without 'This is...'
Or for that matter, any song without 'This is...' AND 'tonight'.

In fact, I challenge anyone to find me a pop-punk song that doesn't use 'This is...' or 'tonight'. I would be blown away. I love pop-punk music, but the music and lyrics are just getting lazier and lazier. You shouldn't need to tell us what 'this is'... Just write some good lyrics that tell us what 'this is', without cheaping out and saying it...
:explode:
This is my head exploding tonight!

Poppin Champagne - All Time Low
Josie - Blink 182
What's My Age Again - Blink 182

Thats just the first three that popped into my head, but there are a shitload that dont...

[viva la cymche!]

I hate the "Saves The Day" breakdown when it's used by any other band besides Saves the Day. You know, when the guitarists sustain one power chord, and as it slowly fades away the bass can be clearly heard, but all it's doing is playing the root notes of the chords in the verse. Then the music stops for a split second, and then it speeds up again, usually faster than before.

[viva la cymche!]

The last 45 seconds of Chug and Leave by Secret Lives of The Freemasons. Find it and listen to it. It's so annoying.

[squillzposi]

starting a lyric line with "so.."
its a waste to fill the line/melody of the chorus or verse. and talking parts for hardcore songs. i.e. stick to your guns.

[wroteurname]

I hate when I know what the next lyrics are going to be in a song I've never heard...horrible.

[dancelukedance]

I hate when I know what the next lyrics are going to be in a song I've never heard...horrible.

YES!

It's trippy when it happens. Pop punk.

[wroteurname]

YES!

It's trippy when it happens. Pop punk.
I think it just means I should be a rock star. You too I suppose.

[Renee]

Unnecessarily long intros/outros.

[Chris_Pont]

No Breakdowns.

[sweepthenation]

Bad screaming, using too much Synth, and backing vocals that you cant make out and contribute nothing

[Sarah92]

Unnecessarily long intros/outros.

Definitely this!

[alltimecam]

1-2-1-2-3-4
Give me more loving than I’ve ever had
Make me feel better when I’m feeling sad
Tell me I’m special even though I know I’m not
Make me feel good when I hurt so bad
Barely getting mad
I’m so glad I found you
I love being around you
You make it easy
Its as easy as 1-2-1-2-3-4

Anything that happens in this song/ these kinds of lyrics. This is one of the worst songs I have ever heard

[TemplePilot]

Two things. Refering to yourself/band anywhere in the lyrics. And the fade out. I hate fade outs. If you have to fade out, you don't know how to end a song.

[headlightspavem]

Two things. Refering to yourself/band anywhere in the lyrics. And the fade out. I hate fade outs. If you have to fade out, you don't know how to end a song.

Fuck man, I read the whole thread to see if anyone put fadeouts. And there it is on the last post, haha.

Seriously the most lazy way to end a song. Write an ending. How you gonna do a fadeout live lol? Just gradually turn the PA down haha.

[Shoes]

All those kinda bands have the same type of style and voice. Give them a listen. If I didn't know the songs, I wouldn't be able to tell the difference between which band is who.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=eMvqQMSWzck - The Academy Is...
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GcNiKCmWdYE - All Time Low
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RjO6CHmd-bg - We the Kings
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Hh1FcBJaNeI - Metro Station

I am ready to jump out the window right now.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8I4nNj1r4uQ - Rise Against FTW! :)
Wow, I just watched Metro Station for the first time. They're awful! I mean really, really awful!

[jimjam32]

i hate anything with the steel guitar

[UnderMyDreams]

All those kinda bands have the same type of style and voice. Give them a listen. If I didn't know the songs, I wouldn't be able to tell the difference between which band is who.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=eMvqQMSWzck - The Academy Is...
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GcNiKCmWdYE - All Time Low
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RjO6CHmd-bg - We the Kings
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Hh1FcBJaNeI - Metro Station

I am ready to jump out the window right now.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8I4nNj1r4uQ - Rise Against FTW! :)

You REALLY can't tell the difference between those bands? Because they definitely sound different.

[JaredRigsby]

How about...

Singers who take a big, exaggerated breath, generally before before a super cheesey phrase, attempting to sound 'sexy'... Whether they'll admit it or not, they're trying to sound sexy. There's absolutely no point in taking that loud breath otherwise. Can you imagine how frightening it would be if I called up a friend and said, 'Hey man, wanna go play some (loud, sexy, breathy inhale) basketball?' People don't do that in real life. Although, for some reason I can picture the kid from Metro Station doing it all the time...

Also, 'one-word-whispers' at the end of a lyric are really funny... Not so much annoying. But they're quite hilarious, and can make a song go from serious to comical in that split second.

[Jefferson Rank]

I don't like BAD screaming. (Brokencyde... Attack Attack...) Mastadon has screaming, but they don't make it the main part of their music. Those people need to get it under control.

[TriangularDuck]

Singers who take a big, exaggerated breath, generally before before a super cheesey phrase, attempting to sound 'sexy'...


This, and it's not always to sound sexy. The singer from Muse is absolutely terrible at this, and I really don't know why they don't edit it out in their recordings.

THIIIISSS (gasp) IIISSSSS (gasp) THE LAST TIME I'LLLL FORGET YOU (gasp)

Any time I listen to Muse it turns into the Listen to How Many Times Matt Bellamy Gasps Like a Fish out of Water game.

Also, tough-guy vocals in hardcore/metalcore songs.

[UnderMyDreams]

How about...

Singers who take a big, exaggerated breath, generally before before a super cheesey phrase, attempting to sound 'sexy'... Whether they'll admit it or not, they're trying to sound sexy. There's absolutely no point in taking that loud breath otherwise. Can you imagine how frightening it would be if I called up a friend and said, 'Hey man, wanna go play some (loud, sexy, breathy inhale) basketball?' People don't do that in real life. Although, for some reason I can picture the kid from Metro Station doing it all the time...

Also, 'one-word-whispers' at the end of a lyric are really funny... Not so much annoying. But they're quite hilarious, and can make a song go from serious to comical in that split second.

I have always thought the exact same thing.

[bard]

the most annoying thing in most songs is the lack of feeling behind the lyrics/music.

it's apparent in most bands today. like nickelback, or the other 500 bands that sounds as crappy as them, its obvious they don't care about the music. just the $$$$$

[Cal Lewis]

Poppin Champagne - All Time Low
Josie - Blink 182
What's My Age Again - Blink 182

Thats just the first three that popped into my head, but there are a shitload that dont...

Yeah, first one that springs to mind for me is 3rd & Long by New Found Glory.

Oh how I love NFG, they are my favourite ever punk-pop band. I don't think they are by any means the best lyricists ever but I certainly wouldn't call them generic. I think musically they are pretty tight as they have played different styles over the years (I think NWAF showcases this nicely as it kind of takes their back catalogue's different sounds and mashes them together on this album)

Pop-Punk simply isn't the same anymore, I just think theses new generation bands of today/last couple of years are so bland and samey. I mean I saw The Metro Station for the first time on Kerrang! TV last night and jesus... what a pile of utter nonsense. It's so squeaky clean and slick sounding meaning there isn't any "rock" elements in the music at all, never mind the whole image.

I did enjoy All Time Low's first two EPs (TWTRIDWTE/PUOSU) and their first album (The Party Scene) as I thought that was solid pop-punk with a much faster and rough edged sound compared to their lastest stuff. I mean SWIR did have a couple of catchy tunes, but it was very dissapointing over all. It is far too OVER produced which results in squeaky clean and slick sounding albums, much like most other modern bands of today.

Your thoughts?

[weownthestreets]

Pop-Punk simply isn't the same anymore, I just think theses new generation bands of today/last couple of years are so bland and samey. I mean I saw The Metro Station for the first time on Kerrang! TV last night and jesus... what a pile of utter nonsense. It's so squeaky clean and slick sounding meaning there isn't any "rock" elements in the music at all, never mind the whole image.

I did enjoy All Time Low's first two EPs (TWTRIDWTE/PUOSU) and their first album (The Party Scene) as I thought that was solid pop-punk with a much faster and rough edged sound compared to their lastest stuff. I mean SWIR did have a couple of catchy tunes, but it was very dissapointing over all. It is far too OVER produced which results in squeaky clean and slick sounding albums, much like most other modern bands of today.

Your thoughts?

I downloaded Metro Station's CD last year. I was waiting a while to listen to it, and then I saw them in concert with Cobra Starship. Before I even saw them play, I just saw the creepy-Cyrus kid and the troll, and I knew it'd be a disaster. The minute I got home from the concert I deleted any evidence that I had ever had that CD on my computer. It's just awful, awful, awful; they have the worst stage presence ever, let alone sound.

I love All Time Low's entire discography, so I'll put it out there first. SWIR, for me, was hella catchy. It wasn't strictly as "good" a CD as The Party Scene or Put Up or Shut Up, but it achieved what it meant to. I tend to have a very balanced perspective when I evaluate a CD. I'll expect different things from, say, Explosions in the Sky and The Friday Night Boys--but I can like both.

So, for SWIR, they went for a expressly more pop sound, and they achieved it. It might be a bit overproduced, but I guess that's what you get when you're trying something new. I really like the clean sound, though. And though Gaskarth's lyrics may be less "deep" on SWIR, they're fun and catchy as fuck, not to mention clever.

I've seen ATL twice since they released SWIR, and both times were awesome. The Sellouts Tour was especially awesome. There're bands that I'd love to listen to by myself in complete silence, and there're bands that I'd rather be surrounded by 1000s of people, just having a good (albeit completely ridiculous) time.

I'm anticipating the new CD, and I'm thinking it might be absolutely amazing--more pop-punk than pop, but hella singable/danceable/amazeable.

This summer could be amazing. Brand New, All Time Low, Blink. Man...

[speakhandsforme]

rhyming the words "die/dying," "lie/lying," and "cry/crying"
or "bad," "mad," and "sad"

[Drew3030]

this is so terrible and that cyrus dude is creepy

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=u1j1SKTlknQ

[dakota0135]

I just hate overplayed things.....
I annoys me so much.

That's about it. The rest is music, like it or don't :)

[weownthestreets]

this is so terrible and that cyrus dude is creepy

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=u1j1SKTlknQ

lolzer.

The singer dude looks like a pre-pubescent forty-year-old. And cyrus is just skeletal and terrifying. I love his little hair motion, and the way he molests the microphone.

[guitarpickheart]

Track One: Love Song
2: How I Love You
3: Be My Baby
etc, etc, etc...

Which is why I don't listen to bands that pretty much only write love songs.

[dakota0135]

I'm gonna be honest, I am in love with the Metro Station album.
But I totally get why you would criticise it for all those reasons actually!
I'd love to see them live, I just don't think they'd be any good.

And aren't most songs about love anyway? Or how shit life can be.

[BJW7191]

any song with vocals resembling anthony kiedis's rap like vocals

[BJW7191]

How about...

Singers who take a big, exaggerated breath, generally before before a super cheesey phrase, attempting to sound 'sexy'... Whether they'll admit it or not, they're trying to sound sexy. There's absolutely no point in taking that loud breath otherwise. Can you imagine how frightening it would be if I called up a friend and said, 'Hey man, wanna go play some (loud, sexy, breathy inhale) basketball?' People don't do that in real life. Although, for some reason I can picture the kid from Metro Station doing it all the time...

Also, 'one-word-whispers' at the end of a lyric are really funny... Not so much annoying. But they're quite hilarious, and can make a song go from serious to comical in that split second.

i hate the opening breathe in from "makedamnsure"


also, i hate songtitles/band names that dont use spaces with the exception of mewithoutyou
ie crushcrushcrush, makedamnsure

[guinness]

Throwing in a harmonica in an attempt to make a bleh acoustic song better, sadly failing because the harmonica sucks as well.

[VampiresRevenge]

any song with vocals resembling anthony kiedis's rap like vocals
I was going to say this.

[TheWolf]

-Overly auto-tuned vocals or just terrible vocals in general.
-Electronic drum patches over real drum kits that is showing up in most "screamo/electronic/hardcore" shit now.
- Songs with a bass drum that sounds dead or like a bullet shot. Nothing more annoying that a bunch of double bass where its not needed.
-Bands who don't record to a metronome and you can hear the song either dragging or speeding up. In some cases its OK for a band to do this, but 99% of the time it sounds awful.

[fly_guy]

I downloaded Metro Station's CD last year. I was waiting a while to listen to it, and then I saw them in concert with Cobra Starship. Before I even saw them play, I just saw the creepy-Cyrus kid and the troll, and I knew it'd be a disaster. The minute I got home from the concert I deleted any evidence that I had ever had that CD on my computer. It's just awful, awful, awful; they have the worst stage presence ever, let alone sound.

I love All Time Low's entire discography, so I'll put it out there first. SWIR, for me, was hella catchy. It wasn't strictly as "good" a CD as The Party Scene or Put Up or Shut Up, but it achieved what it meant to. I tend to have a very balanced perspective when I evaluate a CD. I'll expect different things from, say, Explosions in the Sky and The Friday Night Boys--but I can like both.

So, for SWIR, they went for a expressly more pop sound, and they achieved it. It might be a bit overproduced, but I guess that's what you get when you're trying something new. I really like the clean sound, though. And though Gaskarth's lyrics may be less "deep" on SWIR, they're fun and catchy as fuck, not to mention clever.

I've seen ATL twice since they released SWIR, and both times were awesome. The Sellouts Tour was especially awesome. There're bands that I'd love to listen to by myself in complete silence, and there're bands that I'd rather be surrounded by 1000s of people, just having a good (albeit completely ridiculous) time.

I'm anticipating the new CD, and I'm thinking it might be absolutely amazing--more pop-punk than pop, but hella singable/danceable/amazeable.

This summer could be amazing. Brand New, All Time Low, Blink. Man...

MEGA LOLZ!!

[TemplePilot]

Fuck man, I read the whole thread to see if anyone put fadeouts. And there it is on the last post, haha.

Seriously the most lazy way to end a song. Write an ending. How you gonna do a fadeout live lol? Just gradually turn the PA down haha.

Exactly. You gotta play it live and end it, right? End it on the fucking record. One of my favorite bands, Local H, has a strict no fade out policy, and I love it. 10 official releases, and only one fade out to speak of, and it's a cover.

[ntb60]

I downloaded Metro Station's CD last year. I was waiting a while to listen to it, and then I saw them in concert with Cobra Starship. Before I even saw them play, I just saw the creepy-Cyrus kid and the troll, and I knew it'd be a disaster. The minute I got home from the concert I deleted any evidence that I had ever had that CD on my computer. It's just awful, awful, awful; they have the worst stage presence ever, let alone sound.

I love All Time Low's entire discography, so I'll put it out there first. SWIR, for me, was hella catchy. It wasn't strictly as "good" a CD as The Party Scene or Put Up or Shut Up, but it achieved what it meant to. I tend to have a very balanced perspective when I evaluate a CD. I'll expect different things from, say, Explosions in the Sky and The Friday Night Boys--but I can like both.

So, for SWIR, they went for a expressly more pop sound, and they achieved it. It might be a bit overproduced, but I guess that's what you get when you're trying something new. I really like the clean sound, though. And though Gaskarth's lyrics may be less "deep" on SWIR, they're fun and catchy as fuck, not to mention clever.

I've seen ATL twice since they released SWIR, and both times were awesome. The Sellouts Tour was especially awesome. There're bands that I'd love to listen to by myself in complete silence, and there're bands that I'd rather be surrounded by 1000s of people, just having a good (albeit completely ridiculous) time.

I'm anticipating the new CD, and I'm thinking it might be absolutely amazing--more pop-punk than pop, but hella singable/danceable/amazeable.

This summer could be amazing. Brand New, All Time Low, Blink. Man...

The first step to recovery is admitting you have a problem.

[live.]

Obscure phrases that are mistaken for good lyrics. I think the truly talented lyricist can say what he/she wants without having to clutter songs with big words and allusions.

[TryAgainDarling]

Obscure phrases that are mistaken for good lyrics. I think the truly talented lyricist can say what he/she wants without having to clutter songs with big words and allusions.
agreed. sometimes the obscure lyrics are good though because you still feel what they mean, if that makes sense.
But I definetly think lyrics that are clever, witty, but still understandable are the best.

[what_ever]

Throwing in a harmonica in an attempt to make a bleh acoustic song better, sadly failing because the harmonica sucks as well.

please stop posting.

[guinness]

please stop posting.
Haha did I even say something wrong?

[what_ever]

Haha did I even say something wrong?

if you're going to be that narrow-minded towards an instrument, any instrument, much less the most popular instrument worldwide, a Music forum might not be for you.

[guinness]

if you're going to be that narrow-minded towards an instrument, any instrument, much less the most popular instrument worldwide, a Music forum might not be for you.
Oh, I guess I didn't word my post properly. I have nothing against a harmonica at all, totally didn't mean the instrument itself sucked. I just meant when someone tries to make a poorly written acoustic song sound better with a poorly played harmonica. I hope that is more true to what I wanted to say?

[what_ever]

Oh, I guess I didn't word my post properly. I have nothing against a harmonica at all, totally didn't mean the instrument itself sucked. I just meant when someone tries to make a poorly written acoustic song sound better with a poorly played harmonica. I hope that is more true to what I wanted to say?

much better. sorry about the confusion, with so much stupidity around it's not always clear who is sincere.

[BJW7191]

i detest how certain songs think its clever to put people talking in the studio on the track. ex. maxwell murder- rancid you can hear tim say "haha yeah mother fucker" a little bit after the bass solo. another one is "emily"- from first to last when he closes the door at the end. idk it just sounds dumb and such

[EndSerenading]

I think fadeouts are fine, its a legitimate way to end a song as long as you arent using it on a regular basis. Same goes for any other song ending.

[fadedmemories]

I love All Time Low's entire discography, so I'll put it out there first. SWIR, for me, was hella catchy. It wasn't strictly as "good" a CD as The Party Scene or Put Up or Shut Up, but it achieved what it meant to. I tend to have a very balanced perspective when I evaluate a CD. I'll expect different things from, say, Explosions in the Sky and The Friday Night Boys--but I can like both.

So, for SWIR, they went for a expressly more pop sound, and they achieved it. It might be a bit overproduced, but I guess that's what you get when you're trying something new. I really like the clean sound, though. And though Gaskarth's lyrics may be less "deep" on SWIR, they're fun and catchy as fuck, not to mention clever.

I've seen ATL twice since they released SWIR, and both times were awesome. The Sellouts Tour was especially awesome. There're bands that I'd love to listen to by myself in complete silence, and there're bands that I'd rather be surrounded by 1000s of people, just having a good (albeit completely ridiculous) time.

I'm anticipating the new CD, and I'm thinking it might be absolutely amazing--more pop-punk than pop, but hella singable/danceable/amazeable.

This summer could be amazing. Brand New, All Time Low, Blink. Man...
The strength of their lyrics is that they're easy to relate to. I agree with everything else though.

[weownthestreets]

The first step to recovery is admitting you have a problem.


That's the problem with the internets, dude. The tubes are just full of this free stuff, and, then, next thing you know-- BAM!--you're listening to Tokio Hotel and Metro Station, crying yourself to sleep.

[Paulb-182]

i find blatant attempts to be 'now' annoying in bands. case in point late of the pier. utter fucking shite band who are just jumping on the whole electro indie bullshit scene and i hate them all

so basically what annoys me most in songs is electro and indie

[weownthestreets]

Isn't that a bit too harsh, Paulb?

I can see the dislike of seeking novelty because it's hyped, but there are bands that do the electro/indie thing without being forgettable, even if you dislike the genre itself.

The funny thing with electro music is that it's so seldom that something comes around that actually really sticks. There are crazy-popular songs that cycle and fade away. Living in Montreal I really notice this; nothing stays 'cool' too long.

Still, there are CDs that I can't get enough of. Like, for example, Digitialism's Idealism. In the summer I can listen to that over and over and over.

[weownthestreets]

The strength of their lyrics is that they're easy to relate to. I agree with everything else though.

I agree entirely. I think the lyrics on SWIR are good, and very honest. They might not have the emotional impact of, say, Lullabies (well, maybe Remembering Sunday has a bit of that.) But, yeah, they are easy to relate to, at least at this age, at least now.

[beyondthelonely]

In fact, I challenge anyone to find me a pop-punk song that doesn't use 'This is...' or 'tonight'. I would be blown away.

I'd be interested to hear your thoughts on motion city soundtrack lyrics. I just read through half a dozen or so of their songs (ie. the future freaks me out, my favorite accident, everything is alright, hold me down, fell in love without you, l.g. fuad) and other than an occasional 'for the night' and the obvious 'this is for real' (not my favorite song) they seem pretty clean.

I think fadeouts are fine, its a legitimate way to end a song as long as you arent using it on a regular basis. Same goes for any other song ending.

I had a music teacher tell me once that fadeouts were for people who didn't know how to write a real ending. Perhaps I agree to some extent, but in any case I thought it was funny.

[handlikesecret]

whatever the heck Brokencyde uses in their songs.

[EndSerenading]

I had a music teacher tell me once that fadeouts were for people who didn't know how to write a real ending. Perhaps I agree to some extent, but in any case I thought it was funny.

Put it this way, the only time I have ever used a fadeout it was because I wanted to use a fadeout, not because I didn't know how to end it. There are lots of songs I love that have fadeouts that I couldnt image ending any other way - especially in songs that have this driving expansive feel (take be quiet and drive by the deftones as an example) because the fadeout gives the feeling that the song just keeps going which works.

And also, lets be honest, a lot of song endings out there arent very creative or awesome in some unique way. Most songs come to a calculated halt with all the instruments and vocals ending tight or letting the last note ring out, and neither of these take any more thinking or writing than fading out really.

and nothing against you, just how I feel.

[JaredRigsby]

I'd be interested to hear your thoughts on motion city soundtrack lyrics. I just read through half a dozen or so of their songs (ie. the future freaks me out, my favorite accident, everything is alright, hold me down, fell in love without you, l.g. fuad) and other than an occasional 'for the night' and the obvious 'this is for real' (not my favorite song) they seem pretty clean.

I had a music teacher tell me once that fadeouts were for people who didn't know how to write a real ending. Perhaps I agree to some extent, but in any case I thought it was funny.

I've never been a fan of Motion City Soundtrack (simply because I've never owned an album, or listened to much of their stuff), but Justin Pierre is a smart and funny guy; and I wouldn't expect much cheese in his lyrics.

As far as fadeouts go... I think it depends on the context and quality of the song. The Beatles and Beach Boys could fade out almost any song, just because of the way those songs were written. Songs like 'Paperback Writer' and 'Wouldn't It Be Nice' practically demand a fadeout. There's nothing else that can be done.

Now, imagine that 'How You Remind Me' by Nickelback ended with a fadeout, with the chorus repeating over and over. That's an example of how not to use a fadeout.

I think they're definitely appropriate in the right circumstances. We have a song that I believe is going to be an absolute exclusive any day now... Although it might be a different song, I'm not sure. But the end lyrics talk about 'fading away', as the song fades out. We wouldn't have done it if it didn't fit the context. And that's what's important.

[beyondthelonely]

haha the beatles can do no wrong in my book...
and i was just sort of playing devil's advocate with the whole fadeout thing, what my teacher said was too much of a generalization to take that seriously.

[Cody Nelson]

For the most part, repetition. There's some exceptions though. Other than that, pretty much everything else that's already been said.

[EndSerenading]

I've never been a fan of Motion City Soundtrack (simply because I've never owned an album, or listened to much of their stuff), but Justin Pierre is a smart and funny guy; and I wouldn't expect much cheese in his lyrics.

As far as fadeouts go... I think it depends on the context and quality of the song. The Beatles and Beach Boys could fade out almost any song, just because of the way those songs were written. Songs like 'Paperback Writer' and 'Wouldn't It Be Nice' practically demand a fadeout. There's nothing else that can be done.

Now, imagine that 'How You Remind Me' by Nickelback ended with a fadeout, with the chorus repeating over and over. That's an example of how not to use a fadeout.

I think they're definitely appropriate in the right circumstances. We have a song that I believe is going to be an absolute exclusive any day now... Although it might be a different song, I'm not sure. But the end lyrics talk about 'fading away', as the song fades out. We wouldn't have done it if it didn't fit the context. And that's what's important.

bingo!

[weownthestreets]

I usually prefer ending a song by short-circuiting the amps.

[JaredRigsby]

A nice and terrible opening lyric I just remembered:

'Here I am', or
'Here I sit'
'Here I stand'
'Here I lie'
'Here I crap myself'
etc...

[Sarah92]

this is so terrible and that cyrus dude is creepy

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=u1j1SKTlknQ

Eurgh, Metro Station are terrible! That Cyrus guy seems like such a try hard.

EDIT: One of the comments on Youtube :

trace cant sing
its like he's whispering
their relly bad
i love them
but here...?
BAD!

WTF?

[Klatzke]

Handclaps are annoying.
Cowbells are annoying.
Gang vocals can be very annoying.
Replaying the chorus upwards of three times can get reallllllly annoying.

[chipdip18]

I don't like it when there's a soundclip next to a lyrics. Such as a cow moo when someone mentions a farm.

[Klatzke]

Oh, and using overtly sexual lyrics in pop songs irks me for some reason sometimes. For example: "Warm Me Up" by the Audition is an awesome song.

However I heard a pop-ish song early that's lyrics were like "we're made for each other.. blah blah.." and the irksome: "we're gonna do it all night, yeah, do it all night" which just was kind of like a major WTF in the middle of the song.

[viva la cymche!]

In hardcore, right before a breakdown the vocalist might try to say some words in an angry tone, and that gets old.

[Sarah92]

However I heard a pop-ish song early that's lyrics were like "we're made for each other.. blah blah.." and the irksome: "we're gonna do it all night, yeah, do it all night" which just was kind of like a major WTF in the middle of the song.

Like Metro Station? They seem to do this a hell of a lot
eg: "Tonight we're falling in love. This feeling's turning me on."?

[Naenia]

In heavy music where the band suddenly stops playing their instruments for a couple seconds so they can have some gang vocals going 'duh duh duh' to the tune of their chugg-ery.

See:
Bring Me The Horizon - Off The Heezay
The Begining of A Day To Remember - The Downfall Of Us All

[fadedmemories]

I agree entirely. I think the lyrics on SWIR are good, and very honest. They might not have the emotional impact of, say, Lullabies (well, maybe Remembering Sunday has a bit of that.) But, yeah, they are easy to relate to, at least at this age, at least now.
:nod:

[Klatzke]

Like Metro Station? They seem to do this a hell of a lot
eg: "Tonight we're falling in love. This feeling's turning me on."?
Well it was an erickson song that said , and i quote: "I'm gonna do you all night."

[JaredRigsby]

Oh, and using overtly sexual lyrics in pop songs irks me for some reason sometimes. For example: "Warm Me Up" by the Audition is an awesome song.

There's a great line in that song, 'Everyone's in my head, and I want you in my bay-ee-ed'.
I think I'll stay in my own bay-ee-ed... thanks though.

[Klatzke]

There's a great line in that song, 'Everyone's in my head, and I want you in my bay-ee-ed'.
I think I'll stay in my own bay-ee-ed... thanks though.
haha, i do like The Audition though.

and bay-ee-ed rhymes with hay-ee-ed

[PenThrive]

When the next band sounds exactly like the last, which is the current trend these days.

[dakota0135]

I must say, I don't like screamy songs. If they're mostly real singing, it's okay. But I hate BMTH, It's not music, it's attack on his vocal chords and they must be pretty fucked.

[FueledByFrodo]

Autotune.

[viva la cymche!]

I must say, I don't like screamy songs. If they're mostly real singing, it's okay. But I hate BMTH, It's not music, it's attack on his vocal chords and they must be pretty fucked. Converge?

[boxingwithstars]

Autotune.

this.

and too much screaming.

[MADSTA]

I don't like it when there's a soundclip next to a lyrics. Such as a cow moo when someone mentions a farm.
Hahaha what? I'd like to hear such a song.

[xeno6919]

Autotunes and when lyrics are inaudible because of the singer growling deeply, yuck.

[Tead42]

Hahaha what? I'd like to hear such a song.

Lol
Not pop-punk but like Without Me by Eminem

[Kaleidoscope]

a song with guest vocals by max bemis.

[Hojonny]

For the most part, gang vocals annoy me. They just feel like a time filler more than anything.

[Cody Nelson]

For the most part, gang vocals annoy me. They just feel like a time filler more than anything.


I'm guessing you're not an A Day To Remember fan? Just a shot in the dark.

That super easy drum beat (you all should know what I'm talking about) with no variations or intuitive fills whatsoever throughout an entire song. Super annoying.

[Klatzke]

How about that super generic breakdown that ADTR uses in every song?

[Operator!]

When singers add extra G's and H's on their words.

[dakota0135]

I have recently decided that nothing should annoy you in a song.
If you like it, listen to it.
If it annoys you, you obviously don't like it, so don't listen to it!
And that's all issues sorted :)

[Blueskyburning]

I have recently decided that nothing should annoy you in a song.
If you like it, listen to it.
If it annoys you, you obviously don't like it, so don't listen to it!
And that's all issues sorted :)

i have recently decided that is a load of shit

[dakota0135]

i have recently decided that is a load of shit

Good to know :)

[SomedayTheFire]

I have recently decided that nothing should annoy you in a song.
If you like it, listen to it.
If it annoys you, you obviously don't like it, so don't listen to it!
And that's all issues sorted :)
Bullshit.

[Blueskyburning]

Good to know :)

well the fact that i would have to listen to a song to know something in it annoys me totally negates your point

[Bloodsucker II]

I hate when every word in the song has autotune and it makes the singer sound like a damn robot.

[oddwithoutend]

I hate the glossy sound, usually.

[dakota0135]

Bullshit.

In your opinion.

well the fact that i would have to listen to a song to know something in it annoys me totally negates your point

No, you might listen to it once, be annoyed by it, and then never listen again. Then you wouldn't have to be annoyed.

[SomedayTheFire]

In your opinion.



No, you might listen to it once, be annoyed by it, and then never listen again. Then you wouldn't have to be annoyed.
Lol no it's bullshit. Your logic is terrible, there are plenty of things that annoy me in songs but they don't run them, just because there is an annoyance doesn't mean the whole song is ruined.

[dakota0135]

Lol no it's bullshit. Your logic is terrible, there are plenty of things that annoy me in songs but they don't run them, just because there is an annoyance doesn't mean the whole song is ruined.

Why would you listen to something that annoys you.

[Cheesus]

overwhelming amounts of vocoder+autotune= unacceptable.

[SomedayTheFire]

Why would you listen to something that annoys you.
Oh my god! Are you retarded or something?

[lurker411_k9]

overwhelming amounts of vocoder+autotune= unacceptable.

This.

[npmshah]

i can stand autotune, no matter how badly its done...
but i cant stand unnecessary screaming, as in the stuff put in their just to keep the mosh kids from getting restless...
thats my biggest probalem with SKSKs first album... only the song My Darkest Hour had screams that enhanced the experience of the song

[Liter-O-Cola]

Sing/Scream/Sing/Scream repeat.

[punkgoes...]

deffinetley when your listening to a heavy song and just around the bridge or what ever it goes all acoustic and soft i think that a song should either stay heavy the whole way through or acoustic all the way throught no in between

[Klatzke]

deffinetley when your listening to a heavy song and just around the bridge or what ever it goes all acoustic and soft i think that a song should either stay heavy the whole way through or acoustic all the way throught no in between
And that's not surprising as you're 13.

[Jefferson Rank]

And that's not surprising as you're 13.

Hah. True that.

Ah, Middle Schoolers...

[erinfxs]

Over-production, and when it has no variety and is so very repetitive//

[circatbs]

shitty vocals

[fadedmemories]

Over-production, and when it has no variety and is so very repetitive//
:nod:

[dakota0135]

Oh my god! Are you retarded or something?

No, I'm not retarded.
If you listen to things that annoy you, then you must be the retarded one.

[tottivillarossi]

I hate when every word in the song has autotune and it makes the singer sound like a damn robot.
Is that like Attack Attack! use??



I hate overly-polished stuff, I love EPs (on the most part) when they sound demoish, it's so endearing.

[about3fitty]

No, I'm not retarded.
If you listen to things that annoy you, then you must be the retarded one.

well then he is probably going to stop listening to you

[circatbs]

Another thing, when a singer turns one word into something else. For example, "Goooooooooooooowhoa" Im not sure if that makes sense but whatever haha.

[npmshah]

when they use looped synth lines obvioulsy ripped from the internet and then claim to have written said synth line

[zion the lion]

-Mediocre/horrible lyrics about love, if someone is going to write about love (which is 99% of every song out there right now) then why not make it sincere and original.
-Not being able to hear the bass at all during a song, it drives me absolutely crazy, but maybe thats just because I play the bass.
-Bad screaming/screaming just to scream
-Speaking the lyrics at the end of a song. My favorite example is at the end of The Undertaker's Thirst for Revenge by Chiodos when he goes on about how empty he is.

[dakota0135]

well then he is probably going to stop listening to you

Good choice.

[Readyfuels]

Another thing, when a singer turns one word into something else. For example, "Goooooooooooooowhoa" Im not sure if that makes sense but whatever haha.

makes perfect sense, agreed

[fadedmemories]

Miss use of double bass drums

[Bloodsucker II]

Is that like Attack Attack! use??



I hate overly-polished stuff, I love EPs (on the most part) when they sound demoish, it's so endearing.

lol yes! But its way more present in R&B crap

[speak easy]

bad auto tune

[The Personist]

Predictability and lyrics are big for me. If I don't like the lyrics or the song is predictable, then it's really annoying.

I don't even have as much an issue with cliche as I do the craft of the lyrics in general. If you write good lyrics, a few bad lines are excusable. If you write nothing but bad lines, though, it's egregious.

[fly_guy]

I'm guessing you're not an A Day To Remember fan? Just a shot in the dark.

That super easy drum beat (you all should know what I'm talking about) with no variations or intuitive fills whatsoever throughout an entire song. Super annoying.

LOLZ!!

[fadedmemories]

bad auto tune
Matt Squire's often guilty of this

[bobby runs]

4 minute songs that only really need to be 3 minutes
Vocals on duets that don't work
Vocalists who try and be someone they just aren't.
The Halifax full length fell victim to this.
Most of those things can annoy me but aren't always that big of a deal. Nothing annoys me more than bad production, especially pushing the volume way too high (see: "The Loudness War" on YouTube; Death Magnetic). Bands with generic breakdowns are high up there as well. Also, stupidly auto tuned vocals drive me crazy. I don't mind 808s and Heartbreak because it fits the mood, but so many scene bands do it just to easily have a generic "catchy" chorus.
I went back and quoted you because I LOVE 808s and feel that the album does what its supposed to perfectly. If you don't like it then listen to Graduation and pretend like Kanye never released it. He's gonna go back to rap don't worry.



I also can't stand forced gang vocals (The Maine's "Everything I Ask For").

Songs by bands who used to be pretty good (AAR and TAI come to mind) and ditch it to write a catchy song ("Gives you Hell" "About A girl").

Faded intros, best example I can give is We the Kings' "Check Yes Juliet"

I also can't stand when a band uses "different" intros to ALL of their songs on ONE album. It's okay to do it every now and then.

I also hate Pete Wentz using long song titles.

Lack of bass in songs.

[bobby runs]

It also annoys me how layered songs are on recordings because it can never be pulled off live.

Oh one thing that really bothers me is how Patrick can't pronounce words for shit.

[fadedmemories]

Faded intros, best example I can give is We the Kings' "Check Yes Juliet"

I also can't stand when a band uses "different" intros to ALL of their songs on ONE album. It's okay to do it every now and then.

Lack of bass in songs.
These.

[amo.]

repetitive outros of songs. i.e. message in a bottle by the police. rage. also, any band like kiss kiss that uses a synthesizer when it's not necessary.

[SomedayTheFire]

No, I'm not retarded.
If you listen to things that annoy you, then you must be the retarded one.
LOL.
You know the song 'You Won't Know' by Brand New, the line 'You’re so good at talking smack, you heart attack
But you're the apple of my eye anyway' annoys me, but the song is still my favourite song by them, by your logic I should stop listening to it?

[TotalCollapse]

Choruses that are repeated over and over again.

[Dr. Acula]

Choruses that are repeated over and over again.

But you listen to Matchbook Romance?

[TotalCollapse]

But you listen to Matchbook Romance?
They're an exception.

[The Personist]

Matt Squire's often guilty of this

But he's absolved because he produced The Receiving End Of Sirens.

[fadedmemories]

But he's absolved because he produced The Receiving End Of Sirens.
On the other hand, he ruined So Wrong, It's Right and he also produced that trainwreck of an album by 3oh3.

[Paulb-182]

Matt Squire's often guilty of this

hes an awful producer!

also, any kind of drop D tuning pop punk, a chord progression change of D to G annoys me also as its overused by pretty much everyone who likes my friends over you by new found, annnd gang vocals in the vein of hit the lights, four year strong, set your goals and other shit bands like that

[fadedmemories]

hes an awful producer!

Indeed

also, any kind of drop D tuning pop punk, a chord progression change of D to G annoys me also as its overused by pretty much everyone who likes my friends over you by new found, annnd gang vocals in the vein of hit the lights, four year strong, set your goals and other shit bands like that
I actually like FYS and SYG :-)

[Paulb-182]

Indeed

I actually like FYS and SYG :-)

i think i could happily live my life if i never heard either of them again. theyre just far too stock for me. and definitely bands i think will disappear in a couple of years

[fadedmemories]

i think i could happily live my life if i never heard either of them again. theyre just far too stock for me. and definitely bands i think will disappear in a couple of years
Fair enough. Different strokes.

[Paulb-182]

Fair enough. Different strokes.

i dunno, i might just be growing old and miserable haha

i would have liked them myself more than likely when i was 17

[fadedmemories]

i dunno, i might just be growing old and miserable haha

i would have liked them myself more than likely when i was 17
Hopefully not lol

I actually now a few 20 yr olds who are into them, I dunno haha

[Paulb-182]

Hopefully not lol

I actually now a few 20 yr olds who are into them, I dunno haha

maybe not miserable then, just snobby haha

yeah and me, i know a guy, i think hes 24 and hes into set your goals. i cant understand him to be honest, but then i try to avoid him as best as possible anyway

[fadedmemories]

maybe not miserable then, just snobby haha

yeah and me, i know a guy, i think hes 24 and hes into set your goals. i cant understand him to be honest, but then i try to avoid him as best as possible anyway
I would avoid him only if he looks like the typical brocore fan haha

[Paulb-182]

I would avoid him only if he looks like the typical brocore fan haha

hes short with a shaved head and has B.O

[fadedmemories]

hes short with a shaved head and has B.O
I don't mind the haircut, but BO is a big no no

lol it rhymes.

[Paulb-182]

i dont care about his appearance. just his general personality and stench is the issue

[EndSerenading]

i dunno, i might just be growing old and miserable haha

i would have liked them myself more than likely when i was 17

haha I think I am the same way. There are bands I hear today that make me think to myself "I would have liked them if I heard them in HS, but hearing them for the first time now at 24 I can't stand them"

[Paulb-182]

haha I think I am the same way. There are bands I hear today that make me think to myself "I would have liked them if I heard them in HS, but hearing them for the first time now at 24 I can't stand them"

exactly! i cant stand most these current 'pop punk' bands, when they clearly have no punk in them

[guitarpickheart]

I liked it when "pop-rock" and "powerpop" were used more. It fits those bands so much better than "pop-punk".

[PunksNotDead!]

I liked it when "pop-rock" and "powerpop" were used more. It fits those bands so much better than "pop-punk".
ahh yes, powerpop... i hate the shit out of that genre. i guess that this fits the thread - i hate anything having to do with the genre. i also hate it when a band you really like gets discovered by a shitty FM radio station and then all the 13 year old boys that wear chick jeans and eyeliner and all the girls that are pete wentz's "soulmate" hear it and think its the coolest thing. that, in turn, makes you hate the band and feel bad for listening to them even though they really didnt "sell out"
this has happened to me too many times

[UnderMyDreams]

When a band names a lyric in the song, and then in parentheses something else from the song, just decide on one title!

Then everyone ends up calling it something different and it just gets confusing.

[PardonMyFreedom]

I get pissy when there's one part that's really good when the rest of the song is shit. Like, the intro... Or the bridge... Or even the fucking ending.

"Sidewinder" by A7X, anyone? Fucking seriously. That song is fucking shit up until the acoustic guitar part at the end, which deserved probably a song in itself instead of a however-long-shit-epic.

[Tinno]

i hate the whinyness!! like in really emo bands... the way they sing hurts me ears!! :(

[3eb23]

octave chords. for awhile i thought bands were incapable of writing a song without them.

[STFUcatherine]

a good intro and a shitty ending

[PardonMyFreedom]

a good intro and a shitty ending

Examples, mm? I've felt that way about a few... But for some reason, can't name 'em off the top of my head.
:<

[BryterJonah]

Excessive Simile Use

[what_ever]

When a band names a lyric in the song, and then in parentheses something else from the song, just decide on one title!

Then everyone ends up calling it something different and it just gets confusing.

Over My Head (Cable Car = wtf)

[what_ever]

I get pissy when there's one part that's really good when the rest of the song is shit. Like, the intro... Or the bridge... Or even the fucking ending.

"Sidewinder" by A7X, anyone? Fucking seriously. That song is fucking shit up until the acoustic guitar part at the end, which deserved probably a song in itself instead of a however-long-shit-epic.

The end of that song is literally the only part of that album I even listen to anymore. Like, I skip forward just to that last minute or so.

[Ziro]

-When a song starts off with the singer yelling "1! 2! 3! 4!"
-When the production is so rough that you can hardly hear the vocals (although this happens to some of my favorite bands)
-Whiny, high-pitched, nasal vocals
-Low pitched growling
-When the first riff sounds awesome, but it turns out it's the only riff in the song.
-Overproduction
-Generic, overused chord progressions
-When songs end by fading out. It's really unoriginal. The only song I like that does that is "Richmond Is A Hole" by Pg. 99.

[valencourt]

I hate when I pick something in a song, that keeps repeating. And then I notice it every time. I don't hate it about the song, but I hate that I notice it. For instance, quite often on Nightmare of You's s/t, Brandon Reilly takes a deep breath before a lot of lyrics. I didn't notice it at first, but my girlfriend did, and then I couldn't stop hearing it hahaha.

[Use me!]

Singers that try too hard annoy me. hardxcore.

[ReadyForAction]

hes an awful producer!

also, any kind of drop D tuning pop punk, a chord progression change of D to G annoys me also as its overused by pretty much everyone who likes my friends over you by new found, annnd gang vocals in the vein of hit the lights, four year strong, set your goals and other shit bands like that
Are you serious? he produced Pollyanna and Between The Heart And The Synapse

[The Personist]

Are you serious? he produced Pollyanna and Between The Heart And The Synapse

That's what I said! Didn't he do The Earth Sings Mi Fa Mi, too?

[Charles777]

Brand New

[dakota0135]

Brand New

That's not something that annoys you in a song...

[FailedRepublic]

When vocalists yell "Guitah!" before guitar solos.
Anything that has ever appeared on the Disney channel
Anything that involves Good Charlotte/Linkin Park

[dakota0135]

When vocalists yell "Guitah!" before guitar solos.
Anything that has ever appeared on the Disney channel
Anything that involves Good Charlotte/Linkin Park

Possibly this...

+ Overplayed songs.

[UnderMyDreams]

Over My Head (Cable Car = wtf)

That would be a good example haha

[SubrosaSeductiv]

I wasn't talking about those chords specifically (although they ARE quite common...) I'm just talking about any annoying repetition of chords. I listen to a ton of pop/pop-punk music so I'm kind of being a hypocrite here, haha. But it does get old after a while.

Keep in mind there are only 7 notes.