An e-mail from moore on 9/11

[richter915]

I just received this email from Michael Moore in my inbox...not sure why but it might be cause I'm "part" of the college democrats...but alas, I ask you to just read it...at least once without any political bias. If you look at the country from a third person's point of view...his comments do make some sense. So please, don't start shouting about the fanatical left because that doesn't weaken anyone's argument and it doesn't take away from the facts. Just read it, aight?

A Letter to All Who Voted for George W. Bush from Michael Moore


To All My Fellow Americans Who Voted for George W. Bush:

On this, the fourth anniversary of 9/11, I'm just curious, how does it
feel?

How does it feel to know that the man you elected to lead us after we
were attacked went ahead and put a guy in charge of FEMA whose main
qualification was that he ran horse shows?

That's right. Horse shows.

I really want to know -- and I ask you this in all sincerity and with
all due respect -- how do you feel about the utter contempt Mr. Bush has
shown for your safety? C'mon, give me just a moment of honesty. Don't
start ranting on about how this disaster in New Orleans was the fault of
one of the poorest cities in America. Put aside your hatred of Democrats
and liberals and anyone with the last name of Clinton. Just look me in
the eye and tell me our President did the right thing after 9/11 by
naming a horse show runner as the top man to protect us in case of an
emergency or catastrophe.

I want you to put aside your self-affixed label of
Republican/conservative/born-again/capitalist/ditto-head/right-winger
and just talk to me as an American, on the common ground we both call
America.

Are we safer now than before 9/11? When you learn that behind the horse
show runner, the #2 and #3 men in charge of emergency preparedness have
zero experience in emergency preparedness, do you think we are safer?

When you look at Michael Chertoff, the head of Homeland Security, a man
with little experience in national security, do you feel secure?

When men who never served in the military and have never seen young men
die in battle send our young people off to war, do you think they know
how to conduct a war? Do they know what it means to have your legs blown
off for a threat that was never there?

Do you really believe that turning over important government services to
private corporations has resulted in better services for the people?

Why do you hate our federal government so much? You have voted for
politicians for the past 25 years whose main goal has been to de-fund
the federal government. Do you think that cutting federal programs like
FEMA and the Army Corps of Engineers has been good or bad for America?
GOOD OR BAD?

With the nation's debt at an all-time high, do you think tax cuts for
the rich are still a good idea? Will you give yours back so hundreds of
thousands of homeless in New Orleans can have a home?

Do you believe in Jesus? Really? Didn't he say that we would be judged
by how we treat the least among us? Hurricane Katrina came in and blew
off the facade that we were a nation with liberty and justice for all.
The wind howled and the water rose and what was revealed was that the
poor in America shall be left to suffer and die while the President of
the United States fiddles and tells them to eat cake.

That's not a joke. The day the hurricane hit and the levees broke, Mr.
Bush, John McCain and their rich pals were stuffing themselves with
cake. A full day after the levees broke (the same levees whose repair
funding he had cut), Mr. Bush was playing a guitar some country singer
gave him. All this while New Orleans sank under water.

It would take ANOTHER day before the President would do a flyover in his
jumbo jet, peeking out the window at the misery 2500 feet below him as
he flew back to his second home in DC. It would then be TWO MORE DAYS
before a trickle of federal aid and troops would arrive. This was no
seven minutes in a sitting trance while children read "My Pet
Goat" to him. This was FOUR DAYS of doing nothing other than saying
"Brownie (FEMA director Michael Brown), you're doing a heck of a
job!"

My Republican friends, does it bother you that we are the laughing stock
of the world?

And on this sacred day of remembrance, do you think we honor or shame
those who died on 9/11/01? If we learned nothing and find ourselves
today every bit as vulnerable and unprepared as we were on that bright
sunny morning, then did the 3,000 die in vain?

Our vulnerability is not just about dealing with terrorists or natural
disasters. We are vulnerable and unsafe because we allow one in eight
Americans to live in horrible poverty. We accept an education system
where one in six children never graduate and most of those who do can't
string a coherent sentence together. The middle class can't pay the
mortgage or the hospital bills and 45 million have no health coverage
whatsoever.

Are we safe? Do you really feel safe? You can only move so far out and
build so many gated communities before the fruit of what you've sown
will be crashing through your walls and demanding retribution. Do you
really want to wait until that happens? Or is it your hope that if they
are left alone long enough to soil themselves and shoot themselves and
drown in the filth that fills the street that maybe the problem will
somehow go away?

I know you know better. You gave the country and the world a man who
wasn't up for the job and all he does is hire people who aren't up for
the job. You did this to us, to the world, to the people of New Orleans.
Please fix it. Bush is yours. And you know, for our peace and safety and
security, this has to be fixed. What do you propose?

I have an idea, and it isn't a horse show.

Yours,

Michael Moore
http://www.michaelmoore.com

[kamikazi]

i love micheal moore he's so right-im glad im not in america right now where the rich get richer and the poor gets poorer. its pretty depressing as america is meant to be the most powerful country in the worlld-run by a moron

[MLLMillenium]

I hate micheal moore the guys a fat fucking anti american. Hes a walking peice of shit I hope he dies choking on some food the fat fucker.

[kamikazi]

i dont think hes anti american-he just doesnt like the way the countrys being run

[VinnyVegas]

A lot of people don't like Moore because he sounds like a "Monday Morning Quarterback" sometimes. I agree with most of when he said, but Democrats are just as evil as Republicans. I think that all major political parties are evil, because they don't force people to think for themselves.

It's easy to say "I'm a Democrat/Republican", it's another thing entirely to say "I'm and independent thinker". These labels have been created so that the majority of the American public can go through their lives, without ever thinking critically about the issues.

Got a little side tracked there, but yeah I agree with what he said. These politicians should always remember "You can't eat your money".

[Cal Smith]

It's sad the college democrats pass this around from a film maker rather than someone of actual liberal importance.

[siberianxkiss]

people still listen to michael moore? that is sad

[richter915]

people still listen to michael moore? that is sad
would you be saying this if it was written by someone other than Michael Moore...the facts/views really don't change much...people just dislike michael moore cause it's trendy.

It's sad the college democrats pass this around from a film maker rather than someone of actual liberal importance.
like I said, I don't know if it's cause I'm on the college Dems list-serve or what...but I don't know who got my email and sent me this...oh well.

[The Revisionist]

would you be saying this if it was written by someone other than Michael Moore...the facts/views really don't change much...people just dislike michael moore cause it's trendy.Are you kidding me? People dislike Michael Moore because there are books and websites that factually debunk pretty much all of the "facts" and main theories/hypotheses in his films and books.

[siberianxkiss]

yes i dislike moore because it is trendy and i really really wanna be cool

he's not even relevant anymore.

michael moore is to liberals what pat robertson is to conservatives

[aminorthreat55]

I hate micheal moore the guys a fat fucking anti american. Hes a walking peice of shit I hope he dies choking on some food the fat fucker.
Such a convincing argument you put together. If you want to be taken seriously, why don't you actually say something worthwhile? He's been in New Orleans for the past month distributing aid to victims. And I don't care what party you're from, thats a pretty selfless and honorable thing to be doing, so calling him a "walking piece of shit" is also a stretch. I'm not too concerned with trying to defend anyone's opinion of Michael Moore because just about everyone has already made up their mind. I'm more concerned with the principal of the matter. I mean I don't exactly enjoy Bill O'Reilly, but I wouldn't wish death upon him for anything, especially his beliefs. Disagreeing with someone's views is one thing, but wishing death upon them for the sake of what the believe is pretty idiotic. And just because you don't agree with what he has to say doesn't make him un-American.

"Patriotism is supporting your country all the time and your government when it deserves it." - Mark Twain


Just some random thoughts.

[Cal Smith]

I would say Moore is very Anti-American in much of what he says and does. From his economic stances, to his portrayl and and bending of reality with regards to the war and his movie.

Would we look at a white-supremist who's anti-jew, black, etc......., and wants more segregation or some other type of egalitarian system Anti-American? I know you wouldn't say, "And just because you don't agree with what he has to say doesn't make him un-American."

[TheOtherAndrew]

That's anti-Bush. He bends the truth to get what he wants. Welcome to politics.

[splitsecond]

would you be saying this if it was written by someone other than Michael Moore...the facts/views really don't change much...people just dislike michael moore cause it's trendy.


Actually, people dislike Michael Moore because his facts are often wrong, and because he is a hateful, overdramatic pig. Amongst other things.

[The Revisionist]

For starters, might I suggest:

http://www.davekopel.com/Terror/Fiftysix-Deceits-in-Fahrenheit-911.htm

I would also like to point out that Dave Kopel considers himself an independent and voted for Nader in 2000.

[believethehyph]

Moore does raise good points, but the thing i like with Bush is if he says hes gonna do something, he'll do it.

[ArTkY_]

i dont think hes anti american-he just doesnt like the way the countrys being run
Agreed.

[MLLMillenium]

Actually, people dislike Michael Moore because his facts are often wrong, and because he is a hateful, overdramatic pig. Amongst other things.
Exactly, he fuckign tries to force his views on EVERYONE else. He is very WRONG and Inapropriate at times. I remember at the Academy awards when he started talkign about the war. The fat fuck. He should just go to canada.

[The Revisionist]

I honestly didn't care that he started speaking about the war at the Academy Awards, I mean hell, it really got people talking about the situation and how they felt about that, and I think that is always crucial for the nation, regardless of whether or not the time it was stated was "appropriate".

It just sucks that he had to manipulate facts to "prove" his point and be completely deceitful with the information he presented, essentially voiding any progress he might have started to make.

[richter915]

Moore does raise good points, but the thing i like with Bush is if he says hes gonna do something, he'll do it.
even if what he says he's going to do is immoral and hypocritical?

[commatosa]

If Michael Moore is so "anti-american" than why do millions of Americans agree with everything he says? So far, no one has even begun to refute his letter. He brings up lots of valid points and all you guys can talk about is "I hate him." He's right. Bush supporters are the ones to blame for the huge mess that we're in.

Exactly, he fuckign tries to force his views on EVERYONE else. He is very WRONG and Inapropriate at times. I remember at the Academy awards when he started talkign about the war. The fat fuck. He should just go to canada.
and religious people never do that in this country.

[MLLMillenium]

I take it you're assuming I'm a republican since I hate moore to death. Actually I'm nonpartisan. I don't believe in religon and, I also hate when religous people do that. I think religons are cults in a sense. So basically what you said has no bearing on what I said.

[richter915]

I don't see why it's inappropriate really...I think it's worse when you have religious figures threatening you if you don't vote red.

[MLLMillenium]

It is just as bad or worse. I hate that also, you don't seem to understand I pretty much hate all liberals and conservatives. Well the extremists anyways. I don't think anyone should conform to one group with such a strong sense, it leaves no open mindedness. Although I don't hate Demo or Rep since there is a diffrence.

[richter915]

It is just as bad or worse. I hate that also, you don't seem to understand I pretty much hate all liberals and conservatives. Well the extremists anyways. I don't think anyone should conform to one group with such a strong sense, it leaves no open mindedness. Although I don't hate Demo or Rep since there is a diffrence.
I think a lot of people don't see that with michael moore. Same goes for Jon Stewart...people always bitch about the liberal slander etc etc...but I mean, did anyone watch bowling for columbine? it attacked the clinton administration for it's actions in Kuwait and all that...and Stewart constantly makes fun of liberals.

maybe, just maybe, Moore and others are like you...anti-war, pro-not killing people, pro-fairness...I don't think people like to see it that way cause it doesn't give them a reason to hate.

[The Revisionist]

So far, no one has even begun to refute his letter.http://moorewatch.com/index.php/weblog/comments/1492/

There are some statements in the rebuttal where a new reader would probably take it as random accusations and theories, but if you look through their archives, they've backed up their own reasonings fairly well.

[MLLMillenium]

Idk, I never saw it I can honestly say that, so I won't comment on it. As a director I think the guy is amazing. As a person I don't like him.

As for Jon Stewart i do see that, and understand that. I LOVE him and his show. Im going to see his show again for the third time in november. I'm very excited too.

[Stereo Mike]

Such a convincing argument you put together. If you want to be taken seriously, why don't you actually say something worthwhile? He's been in New Orleans for the past month distributing aid to victims. And I don't care what party you're from, thats a pretty selfless and honorable thing to be doing, so calling him a "walking piece of shit" is also a stretch. I'm not too concerned with trying to defend anyone's opinion of Michael Moore because just about everyone has already made up their mind. I'm more concerned with the principal of the matter. I mean I don't exactly enjoy Bill O'Reilly, but I wouldn't wish death upon him for anything, especially his beliefs. Disagreeing with someone's views is one thing, but wishing death upon them for the sake of what the believe is pretty idiotic. And just because you don't agree with what he has to say doesn't make him un-American.

"Patriotism is supporting your country all the time and your government when it deserves it." - Mark Twain


Just some random thoughts.
:thumbsup: you're awesome.

[richter915]

I would say Moore is very Anti-American in much of what he says and does. From his economic stances, to his portrayl and and bending of reality with regards to the war and his movie.

Would we look at a white-supremist who's anti-jew, black, etc......., and wants more segregation or some other type of egalitarian system Anti-American? I know you wouldn't say, "And just because you don't agree with what he has to say doesn't make him un-American."
so

you're saying michael moore is a neo-nazi skinhead?

come on bro, you can do better than that.

[commatosa]

there's always going to be bitter debating in this country. But at the end of the day politicians need to ask themselves "is what I did today better for the country or better for myself." And a lot of times the people running our country often answer "better for myself." It's common sense that this country should be run on a common ground that would best benefit as many people as possible. Lately, people can't understand that there are others in this country with different beliefs. I think seperation of church and state should be enforced WAY more. Too often we see politicians making their decisions based on what best suits the bible. This is more of a fantasy, cause I don't ever see this happening. Anyway, about Michael Moore...he doesn't force anything on anyone. He just takes full advantage of his birth-given right of freedom of speech. And religious politicians constantly try to undermine that right by censorship. Eh, I'm ranting now.

[Cal Smith]

so

you're saying michael moore is a neo-nazi skinhead?

come on bro, you can do better than that.

I said that in no way.............you should read better than that.

Your argument is just because we disagree with him does not make him anti-american. I'm saying that's not always the case, and for michael moore it is not the case. I simply used the egalitarian idea as a point. Do you not get the point......?

[pinkerton]

I would say Moore is very Anti-American in much of what he says and does. From his economic stances, to his portrayl and and bending of reality with regards to the war and his movie.

Would we look at a white-supremist who's anti-jew, black, etc......., and wants more segregation or some other type of egalitarian system Anti-American? I know you wouldn't say, "And just because you don't agree with what he has to say doesn't make him un-American."
being anti-jew and anti-black and pro-segregation is unamerican because it is contradicted directly by the united states constitution. what michael moore does is very effectively support his opinion through books and films (so he stretches the truth sometimes...look at carl rove and george bush. you can't be 100% honest and be relevant in the modern political world. its like how bush's war records mysteriously "were lost or stolen." and carl rove. who else has seen bush's brain?" michael moore is a COMPLETELY relevant political activist, who has a good heart IMO and cares about the welfare of the modern average american, rather than religious values (which can be argued to be anti american) and the deepness of his pocket. although he has made a lot of money, he made money in a way that influenced and effected a lot of people, which i think was his main goal. plus, nothing he says is contradicted by the US constitution. the constitution does not say "support your government at all times, and do not use your freedom of speech right in any way that is effective."

[The Revisionist]

(so he stretches the truth sometimes...look at carl rove and george bush. you can't be 100% honest and be relevant in the modern political world. its like how bush's war records mysteriously "were lost or stolen." and carl rove.And that's why when Bush and Rove stretch the truth, they shouldn't be respected. There is no way you can convince me to accept what somebody is saying at that level of "importance" if I know that it's not honest, and there is no way that other people should do the same.

The fact of the matter is, if his hypothesis was solid, he wouldn't have to stretch the truth. AT ALL.

[Cal Smith]

being anti-jew and anti-black and pro-segregation is unamerican because it is contradicted directly by the united states constitution. what michael moore does is very effectively support his opinion through books and films (so he stretches the truth sometimes...look at carl rove and george bush. you can't be 100% honest and be relevant in the modern political world. its like how bush's war records mysteriously "were lost or stolen." and carl rove. who else has seen bush's brain?" michael moore is a COMPLETELY relevant political activist, who has a good heart IMO and cares about the welfare of the modern average american, rather than religious values (which can be argued to be anti american) and the deepness of his pocket. although he has made a lot of money, he made money in a way that influenced and effected a lot of people, which i think was his main goal. plus, nothing he says is contradicted by the US constitution. the constitution does not say "support your government at all times, and do not use your freedom of speech right in any way that is effective."

So by your defenition if your views go against the constitution you'd be anti american

Ok...........so if you are against having the rights to bear arms?
or............probably the best example just looking at the bill of rights would be the 10th amendment (powers not given to the federal gov. by the constitution is delegated to the states) and that could be applied towards gay marriage as an example.

I dont think that's a good assesment of what anti-american is when thats all you use. I think it can be used as an assesmnet but i think there's more too it. Good post though.

[Alex Djaferis]

i dont like Moore. But America needs him.

[Kid Kilowatt]

Michael Moore is a moron.

[VinnyVegas]

Michael Moore is a moron.

Correction - He's a Moore-on. Ba Dum Ching...

[radiofriendly]

Correction - He's a Moore-on. Ba Dum Ching...
*crickets*

[VinnyVegas]

*crickets*
Thank you, I'll be here all week...

[Justin_stacy]

Michael Moore is a moron.

From a political standpoint obviously, but as a marketer, showman and manipulator, he's genius. It is people like him who bring mad men to power, and that idea is not something to be taken lightly. The Moore's of the world, just as the gerbil's of the 30's, are not people to just write off as nuts. There are many weak people, particularly the youth, which fall for their manipulations that allow fanaticism to rise.

After seeing what he did with 9/11, he is one of the most threatening people out there.....

[justinevans]

All I will say is for everything he says, be man enough to show the other side.

[Rebs]

I think the man is brilliant in business, he knows how to market himeself well, and I respect him for that.

I hate the way he shoves his opinions down everyone's throats and makes movies out of things that he says are "facts" when they can be proven wrong. He pisses me off so much. He needs to eat a salad and go running on a treadmill, and then get his mouth stapled shut.

[pinkerton]

i actually agree with most of his views. IMO, he da man.

fahrenheit 9/11 was genius. and there was an article i read a while back that proved that almost barely any of it was the slightest bit false....but i lost it. oh well.

[The Revisionist]

^ Read my link earlier PLZ. :)

[commatosa]

All I will say is for everything he says, be man enough to show the other side.
that's where FOX news comes in to play. A 24 hour news network devoted to show one side of an argument.

[Cal Smith]

that's where FOX news comes in to play. A 24 hour news network devoted to show one side of an argument.

I'm sorry but you are ignorant and foolish almost everytime you post. If you really watch Fox News you'd realize they dont show one side of an argument. I could give 2 cents whether you think they're bias, but at least talk with some sort of sense.

[Rebs]

that's where FOX news comes in to play. A 24 hour news network devoted to show one side of an argument.
Actually, if you sat down and watched it, you would see that it shows both sides.

[commatosa]

I'm sorry but you are ignorant and foolish almost everytime you post. If you really watch Fox News you'd realize they dont show one side of an argument. I could give 2 cents whether you think they're bias, but at least talk with some sort of sense.
oh weird that a biased person would stick up for a biased news network. You're right, FOX news is definitely "fair and balanced." Dude, you and I both know that all 24 hour news networks don't give the full story on anything. FOX news especially, so don't call me ignorant...you're the one that voted for Bush.

Actually, if you sat down and watched it, you would see that it shows both sides.
I have sat down and watched it. I've watched The O'Reilly factor, HANNITY & colmes, and Dayside. Dayside recently had a poll that asked "do you feel that America recently has an anti-religious feel?" And 90% answered yes. I gagged and then changed the channel.

[Cal Smith]

oh weird that a biased person would stick up for a biased news network. You're right, FOX news is definitely "fair and balanced." Dude, you and I both know that all 24 hour news networks don't give the full story on anything. FOX news especially, so don't call me ignorant...you're the one that voted for Bush.

oh weird that a biased person would bash a fair news network. You're right, FOX news only shows one side of the story. (notice how pointless rhetoric is responded to with pointless rhetoric).

[pinkerton]

well...fox news is the most republic channel around. you can't deny that.