Full Sail University??

[NSD0454]

Can anyone tell me their opinion on Full Sail's Music business or entertainment business degree's? I have been considering going their but am not sure if the degree is any better then a business degree elsewhere. If anyone is currently going their or knows someone that is for those particular degree, please discuss your thoughts!

[TheSkyline]

From what I hear it's basically a scam. They make it seem all great and then you graduate not knowing much and not being able to get a job. And also supposedly people in the industry don't take FSU grads seriously.

Just what other people say though. I personally don't know anything about it, but it does look pretty cool.

[googirl8907]

I'm getting a degree from another University before I go to Full Sail for a Music Business degree.

[TheSkyline]

^ That's a good idea.

[0101]

You're better off getting a degree in Music Business from a university that has a well respected program.

[chronomic]

the only problem is that it isn't really a university, not even a real college. You can't get a bachelors degree. You get their form of a "degree" which isn't accredited. It's basically a sheet saying you completed their programs and gave them all your money.

Not to discredit what they teach there, but they run basically a boot camp. Your entire day is planned pretty much every day of the week for you.

My advice would be to get your bachelors in music business from a university or private college.

[TheSkyline]

You're better off getting a degree in Music Business from a university that has a well respected program.

Agreed.

the only problem is that it isn't really a university, not even a real college. You can't get a bachelors degree. You get their form of a "degree" which isn't accredited. It's basically a sheet saying you completed their programs and gave them all your money.

Not to discredit what they teach there, but they run basically a boot camp. Your entire day is planned pretty much every day of the week for you.

My advice would be to get your bachelors in music business from a university or private college.

Yeah, that's the biggest problem. You never even get a real degree.

[BreatheAtlantic]

i go to full sail university. not for music business, though i considered it, im here for digital arts. but from what i hear...everything they teach isnt anything you cant learn from the books you pick up at barnes and nobles. not to mention, most people in the industry learn via experience, not via degrees.

[TheBestBet]

My opinion is your better off getting a degree in business or marketing and learning the music business by experiance (internships, self education)

[raychull]

And also supposedly people in the industry don't take FSU grads seriously.


seriously?
what about film?

[Heart-A-Tact]

I've learned a considerable amount. My time here hasn't been wasted.

[TheSkyline]

seriously?
what about film?

There are so many better places to go for film.. I don't even know why you would consider that place for a "degree" in film. There are some awesome film schools in America. Full Sail isn't one of them.

[raychull]

There are so many better places to go for film.. I don't even know why you would consider that place for a "degree" in film. There are some awesome film schools in America. Full Sail isn't one of them.

I meant in reference to FSU. Trust me, I know about full sail. I'm not thick.

[WoodenSoldier]

speaking of music degrees, anyone know any good schools that offer them in Georgia?

[TheSkyline]

I meant in reference to FSU. Trust me, I know about full sail. I'm not thick.

FSU = Full Sail University

I'm guessing you thought I meant Florida State? Haha I don't know much about that school, but I'm sure it's a good school.

[fulltiltxb00gie]

michael (heart-a-tact) goes there. it's why i talk to him so much. i was to go so badly, looks like an awesome school.

[googirl8907]

michael (heart-a-tact) goes there. it's why i talk to him so much. i was to go so badly, looks like an awesome school.
haha That's one of the reasons I originally started talking to him.

[fulltiltxb00gie]

haha That's one of the reasons I originally started talking to him.
yeah he told me after i was babbling one day about them coming to my school and talking up the school. i was like florida. orlando. clearwater beach. disney. i'm in! haha

[boxingwithstars]

i think the smartest way to do it is get a BA and then go there, since it's not an accredited college. i know a lot of people who go there since i live five minutes down the road from the school, but surprisingly i don't think i know anyone in the music program. everyone i know seems to love the school itself though.

[YayKelsey]

I've had a couple friends start...and then quit. They said it was a waste of their time and money. They'd have "classes" at 3am and didn't learn anything they didn't already know.

[raychull]

FSU = Full Sail University

I'm guessing you thought I meant Florida State? Haha I don't know much about that school, but I'm sure it's a good school.

ahahah/slow.
yeah, but I just call it full sail. I find it really sad that I couldn't differentiate, considering I live relatively close to both.

and, yes, I meant Florida state.

[samanthaxatl]

I'm planning on going for show pro &touring, then music business. I'm hoping to become a tour manager, I mean I know you can't just go to college and then BAM but I'm hoping to learn from it and be able to eventually work my way into tour managing. I start in August.
Any advice from anyone?

[whoaisame]

I go to one of the Art Institutes and everyone there says Fullsail is terrible. They pack like 4 years worth of material into like a year or 9 months or something. Lots of students leave there and come to my school. If you are planning on working in the music industry, it better be in live sound, because everything else is dieing fast.

[samanthaxatl]

the only problem is that it isn't really a university, not even a real college. You can't get a bachelors degree. You get their form of a "degree" which isn't accredited. It's basically a sheet saying you completed their programs and gave them all your money.

Not to discredit what they teach there, but they run basically a boot camp. Your entire day is planned pretty much every day of the week for you.

My advice would be to get your bachelors in music business from a university or private college.


It is accredited. You do get a real associates/bachelors degree.
No offence, but where did you get this information?

[I'm DC]

I'm really considering The Conservatory in Arizona. I heard that is the 2nd best place for school in that field. It's second next to Full Sail... but I don't know for sure. I'm just starting to look into it.

[stendhal]

I'm really considering The Conservatory in Arizona. I heard that is the 2nd best place for school in that field. It's second next to Full Sail... but I don't know for sure. I'm just starting to look into it.

Well get on that shit, man!

I'll be starting up there in April and I need a smokin' buddy when school starts. haha

[chronomic]

It is accredited. You do get a real associates/bachelors degree.
No offence, but where did you get this information?

this is just a copy and paste from wiki, but myself and a few close friends were seriously considering going here after we graduated HS, so we did the homework.

"Full Sail is accredited by the Accrediting Commission of Career Schools and Colleges of Technology, which is a national accreditor of primarily vocational schools and career schools within the United States. Most four year colleges and universities in the U.S. are regionally accredited, and do not recognize national accreditation such as ACCSCT (see [57]). Regional accreditation from the Southern Association of Colleges and Schools would be required for Full Sail credits to be transferable to traditional four-year colleges throughout the United States. Requirements for regional accreditation would involve switching to a more conventional semester-hours based schedule, requiring a wider variety of general education credits, and utilizing teaching faculty with Master's or Doctorate degrees (see [58])."

I don't want to comment on the actual information taught at Full Sail, because just like any other school, you get out of it what you put in.

[Brandon87]

I dunno. I graduated Recording Arts degree from Full Sail. I'm from Philly. And now I live in Malibu, CA and work at Morning View Studios. So I mean, I guess it worked.

[Gerginator]

I'm 12 months into Show Production and Touring at Full Sail. Anyone who says you aren't getting the education or the degree that "some other college" is giving you is full of shit. 2 months and two days from now I'm going to get an associates degree, other people will get bachelors, and other people will get masters. Just like any college, regardless of who gives it that accreditation.

Yeah its true, at least in my case (Show Pro) you do get worked to the bone. I had 12 hours of class yesterday, got 3 hours sleep, worked a graduation this morning and now I'm posting this from class as we speak, and I've got 12 hours days tomorrow and sunday as well working our open house tour of the campus, but if this is what you love to do (and for the money your paying to be here it damn well better be what you love to do) its totally worth it.

As far as the Music Business degree goes, I would say 80% of the people I know that have graduated Show Pro and moved on to it dislike it, because its not so much of the things I'm interested in, more of a Recordings Arts bachelors degree.

Take it with a grain of salt, but the whole "its not a real college/degree" idea just isn't true anymore.

[RumpleForeskin]

Im late to the party but this is my experience with Full Sail -

I live in Orlando and don't go to FSU but I had three good friends who did. All three have become very, very successful BUT I think part of it is mainly their ambition and their family's support. These guys are all pretty well off and have the opportunity to move to NYC, LA and other expensive places even in these crappy times. Most of the kids who go there are socially awkward, douchey and just plain weird... these three guys were neither. I'm not sure what they majored in, but one I think was film and the other two entertainment business. I think they all acknowledged FSU was a joke yet all have pretty good jobs now. (One works at Home Shopping Network, makes 65k, one works freelance at MTV, Grammys, Dancing with the stars and the other does film work in LA).

Basically, it's really up to you and what you make of your degree (that's really cliche but seems to be true with this school). Taking a bigass loan out? Probably a bad idea. Have the chance to get up and get out at any moment and go where the money is? Go for it.

Other than these three friends, FSU seems to be a joke and a scam for the most part. Like someone mentioned, they're not accredited. The state university won't even accept you as a transfer.

[Who's Chris?]

ok so... i absolutely hated full sail's music business program. i went through it and learned close to nothing. its a total waste of time and money. the staff is not qualified (most of them) and the courses teach you little about the subjects because they try to cram everything into one month. dont go through the music biz or ent. biz programs, however i strongly recommend the show production and touring program.

[Rodeo]

ok so... i absolutely hated full sail's music business program. i went through it and learned close to nothing. its a total waste of time and money. the staff is not qualified (most of them) and the courses teach you little about the subjects because they try to cram everything into one month. dont go through the music biz or ent. biz programs, however i strongly recommend the show production and touring program.


Agreed, I went through the Entertainment Business program and also hated it. I own a record label now, but everything I learned I got from books, not the school. Terrible waste of money. I wish I could have used that 20k for the label!

[screamoutmyname]

Monmouth University has a great music business program

[headclub]

i have a bunch of friends all over that school (film, digi-design, music etc) and they all love it, i am about to go for their film program.

[MCSmate]

I go to one of the Art Institutes and everyone there says Fullsail is terrible. They pack like 4 years worth of material into like a year or 9 months or something. Lots of students leave there and come to my school. If you are planning on working in the music industry, it better be in live sound, because everything else is dieing fast.

Hey my best friend just got accepted to the Institutes International in Minneapolis, Minnesota and is going to be studying Wed Design & Interactive Media.

Sorry off topic...

But I don't know people who go there, only my brother loves in the area and says that (as I think he knows some people who go there) that it depends on the program you do there and what you really want to do.

[headclub]

i know the film program is a 3 year program that you get an accredited bachelors degree for. and my friend that is about to graduate for film loves it. since that is what i am going for that is all i care about...plus i need a new computer and a macbook pro in the tuition costs is awesome.

[Rockybehri]

If you think dropping +$40k on a degree that has no entrance performance requirements will hold any weight anywhere, you are severely mistaken.

Get yourself a degree that you can do something with when you graduate. Go to a cc, and than to your local state university and get a general business degree.

If you really want to be a tour manager or a director, do it. Those are not jobs that have education requirements, they have experience requirements.

Also, if you get fooled by the people at fullsail when they say they are "accredited", and you don't do you research to find out that their accreditation is bullshit, than you deserve to what you get. An absolutely worthless piece of paper.

If you guys really want to get an education, send me 40 grand, and I will give you an equivalently worthless education at odd periods during the day.

[killerswells]

If you think dropping +$40k on a degree that has no entrance performance requirements will hold any weight anywhere, you are severely mistaken.

Get yourself a degree that you can do something with when you graduate. Go to a cc, and than to your local state university and get a general business degree.

If you really want to be a tour manager or a director, do it. Those are not jobs that have education requirements, they have experience requirements.

Also, if you get fooled by the people at fullsail when they say they are "accredited", and you don't do you research to find out that their accreditation is bullshit, than you deserve to what you get. An absolutely worthless piece of paper.

If you guys really want to get an education, send me 40 grand, and I will give you an equivalently worthless education at odd periods during the day.

agreed 100%.

i love that people are saying it's a "real" acredited schools with "real" bachelor's and associates' degrees. go to full sail, then try and transfer your credits to a real university, doesn't happen.

[Chris Fallon]

Until a week or so ago, I'd never heard of this school. I have a friend who is a frequent AP'er that is thinking of going here. I might have to show her this thread.

[Mr. Ryan]

I dunno. I graduated Recording Arts degree from Full Sail. I'm from Philly. And now I live in Malibu, CA and work at Morning View Studios. So I mean, I guess it worked.

The rest of your graduating class is working at various Guitar Centers and Sam Ash's in Central Florida while FS marketing and admissions staff will claim all students get jobs as good as yours.


My roommate goes there. I look through the books he brings home, and I get to see the assignments/group projects. I've never really been impressed.



And don't get me wrong, I'm not criticizing the people who go there or what they want to do, I just don't like the school.

[JLG_Matt]

i know people that are successful and graduated from there. i know more people that didnt graduate period and are way more successful. i've been there a bunch of times and they do teach you stuff thats helpful but its at a crazy pace and very expensive. also half the kids that go there think they're going to be the next Dr. Dre so be ready to deal with that because it's not easy. A recording studio or management firm, agency, ect. wont hire you based on the fact that you spent a few years there. you need to intern, make connections, get people drunk, and then ask em for jobs.

[rcker1970]

I have been looking into Full Sail a lot lately. I am a musician and I want to be a professional musician for the rest of my life and make good money doing it. I was thinking that the Music Business program at Full Sail would help me better understand the ways the business works and how to talk to booking agents, how to distribute my music to the mass audience, learn the legal issues of the business, and so forth. Also I can manage my band myself so I don't have to worry about getting ripped off by managers.

Does anybody think that enrolling in Full Sail would help me out?

[FullSailScam]

Full Sail is a scam! I earned a real BFA from a real Youngstown State University. Having been laid off I thought it would be a good idea to make my self more marketable in this high unemployment economy by earning a MFA.
I tried to drop out of the Full Sail MFMDA program the first day of the second week when the irresponsible instructor did not bother to show up for the first Wimba session nor did she find a substitute or even cancel. It took several days and attempts to get withdraw papers from the student adviser was on vacation according to the head of the department whom it took several days to contact as well. The program, books and staff is poor quality. The Syllabus is kept a secret until you sign enrollment papers. The assignments are a series of chats with other students, writing research papers about uninformative subjects and elementary level graphic assignments. I did not learn anything by beating the subject of deadlines in a chat nor by providing a spreadsheet of my schedule for the month to an irresponsible instructor.
I have been attempting to return the unread books and unopened headset. I received after withdraw ever since. I have received a bill for items I do not want and 25% of the tuition for a week of nothing! I should have an itemized bill from Direct Loan Origination Center for the computer and software that are open and used only and a way to return the unused books and headset to be fair. I entered this program to improve my unemployed situation not to make my situation worse.
This Full Sail MFMDA program and school should not be associated with Government student loans at all and should be investigated! The complaint phone number provide by Direct Loan Origination Center
Applicant Services (https://studentloans.gov (https://studentloans.gov/)) for college complaint line at 18775578515 is NOT helping, I can not speak to anyone.

[HelpMeSleep]

I seriously considered going here and flew out and toured it and liked it. I was going to get an associate degree in recording arts or show production because you need to have an associate degree to get into the music business program, but then I decided I'd just get an associate degree in business administration from my community college here first because it seemed way smarter money-wise. since then, I've completely changed my mind and have pretty much no desire to go there anymore.

[Pr0nman2000]

uhm

[Ryan Rumsey]

I have a few friends who are going there currently. I think they are paying for the "name" more than the education. FSU is about as trendy as it gets.

[Mr.Piano93]

i've heard good things, and bad things..

[EasySkankin]

Was totally obsessed with this school, but really it's all flash. The tuition is so high too with just a 2 year degree man maybe if I was born richer

[Keys2TheRadio]

Well, it was really interesting I was looking for schools for music business and you know what, they actually are accredited, and they have good recognition now. Funny thing was, DeVry had call me a couple of hours after I decided Full Sail was where I wanted to go, and I told him I chose full sail for music business and he is like OH really My friend actually did that program and is now working for R.Kelly as IDK I think I heard marketer, but that was pretty random for an admission adviser to say and encourage me to go to Full Sail, if he was from a different school lmao. But I guess to each their own.

[showmethefever]

Is this where you go after you graduate from the Power Chord Academy?

[Crimson_Curse]

randomly stumbled upon this thread.

as someone who has been touring for 6 years with descent sized bands, and did not go to college for what i do...

the people who say people in the music industry do not take FSU seriously, are correct. i've heard many jokes about that place through out different tours.

[Jake Denning]

randomly stumbled upon this thread.

as someone who has been touring for 6 years with descent sized bands, and did not go to college for what i do...

the people who say people in the music industry do not take FSU seriously, are correct. i've heard many jokes about that place through out different tours.

You still with Prada? I cant wait till they come back to Oregon, I was super steamed that whoever booked that Roots tour couldn't give Oregon a single date while everyone else seemingly got one. I wanted hangout with Your Demise again so badly, they're all so hilarious.

[iamfonzo]

FSU = Full of Shit University.

I've never heard so many bad things about a school. Very sad. Haha. Not tryin to start shit, I'm just sayin.

[InTheatersNow]

FSU = Friends Stand United

[SwertsOnALog]

I took a campus tour when I was 18 and the admissions guy straight up told me "you can teach yourself anything we teach you here. But we give you every top of the line industry standard equipment to work with and find you a job in the industry upon completion of the program".

Tuition was only about 50,000 back then too. Haha

[karadotcollett]

what a bullshit school. they came to my high school a few years ago and gave some silly presentation to my computer class.
no one in Norcross has that kind of money anyway.

[scenekid12]

Why go to full sail when ucf is like 5 miles away?

[fsisbs]

Don't go to Full Sail. I did for seven months and got felt like it was a huge rip-off. All I've got to show for it is $20,000 of student loan debt and a bunch of credits that won't transfer anywhere.
Read this blog, it's pretty good...
http://fullsailuniversityreview.blogspot.c om/

[Kyle Garchar]

yeah, don't do it. heard nothign but bad things.

[JJW319]

I have two friends who really want to go here, and are highly considering it. I feel like I need to warn them...

[IamTheINDUSTRY]

don't do it.

[fsisbs]

Friends don't let friends do stupid shit like go to Full Sail
http://fullsailuniversityreview.blogspot.c om/

[fob1011]

Is all of this true about Full Sail? I've been getting my associates degree in Business Management at my community college for the past 2 years and I'm thinking of just stopping going to school here and going to Full Sail because the classes I take now have nothing to do with what I want to do. I want to be a band manager. I have a friend that started going there last semester and she says she loves it, except for the fact that she's homesick. Is this a bad idea for me???

[troubledbyinsects]

all i know about full sail is that i don't like the ad at the top of this page