President Bush said to all of us....

[bopst]

I'm driven with a mission from God. God would tell me, "George, go and fight those terrorists in Afghanistan." And I did, and then God would tell me, "George, go and end the tyranny in Iraq …" And I did. And now, again, I feel God's words coming to me, "Go get the Palestinians their state and get the Israelis their security, and get peace in the Middle East." And by God I'm gonna do it.'" (http://www.bbc.co.uk/pressoffice/pressreleases/stories/2005/10_october/06/bush.shtml)

[crit]

http://www.livejournal.com/users/tonyceratops/43273.html

[bopst]

I thought belief in imaginary friends was a sign of mental instability...

[aminorthreat55]

My mom is going to go insane. She can't stand when he says things like this.

[Cal Smith]

My mom is going to go insane. She can't stand when he says things like this.

Again, dont take here say as fact

[Justin_stacy]

Boy the PLO and the BBC.......i don't think anyone could find fault with those sources....

[GhostsDaddy]

Boy the PLO and the BBC.......i don't think anyone could find fault with those sources....
El. Oh. El. I'm not even sure about this one. I mean, why would this article be embargoed?

[kamikazi]

and this guy runs a country... the shit he comes out with!

[aminorthreat55]

Again, dont take here say as fact
I didn't take a stance on this particular quote and claim, note how I said "things like this". He's made many claims about how God has chosen him to lead this country, or God led him to make a certain decision, and what I said was that it drives my mom nuts. That's all.

[Cal Smith]

anything negative about bush many of you will sink your teeth in and believe with no hesitation at all.

needless to say...... (http://www.absolutepunk.net/showthread.php?t=86208)

[Lueda Alia]

anything negative about bush many of you will sink your teeth in and believe with no hesitation at all.
I wonder why.

Probably because we dislike him, right? It obviously has nothing to do with the fact that he speaks worse than a 5th grader.

[YouMadeTheScene]

wait my laziness has again prohibited me from understanding this, but did he or didn't he say this? If he did say this, then I can't put into words how just dumb that is

[aminorthreat55]

anything negative about bush many of you will sink your teeth in and believe with no hesitation at all.

needless to say...... (http://www.absolutepunk.net/showthread.php?t=86208)
Oh and I gave my reason for that and I closed it once I looked at something bigger than a thumbnail because I realized my mistake.

[Cal Smith]

I wonder why.

Probably because we dislike him, right? It obviously has nothing to do with the fact that he speaks worse than a 5th grader.

See..........that makes no sense.........? The fact that you believe he speaks worse than a 5th grader, and the fact that this is your justification for believeing negative news about him right off the bat really makes no logical sense.

Thats like me not liking Clinton because they now make a chocolate lucky charms.............notice how the two are completely unrelated to each other like your argument?

Oh and I gave my reason for that and I closed it once I looked at something bigger than a thumbnail because I realized my mistake.

but again right away you think he said this..........

[aminorthreat55]

I wonder why.

Probably because we dislike him, right? It obviously has nothing to do with the fact that he speaks worse than a 5th grader.
Gotta love the leader of a country speaking in BICS 24/7.

[aminorthreat55]

but again right away you think he said this..........
What did I say in my previous post? I said "things like this" because he has done it before.

[YouMadeTheScene]

But Cal I mean correct me if I'm wrong but by what you are saying you cannot believe anything anyone says unless you hear it from them first? In that case isn't most of the news pointless?

[Lueda Alia]

See..........that makes no sense.........? The fact that you believe he speaks worse than a 5th grader, and the fact that this is your justification for believeing negative news about him right off the bat really makes no logical sense.

Thats like me not liking Clinton because they now make a chocolate lucky charms.............notice how the two are completely unrelated to each other like your argument?



but again right away you think he said this..........Or maybe you're just assuming that I believe everything negative about him right away.

And I don't "believe" that (he speaks worse than a 5th grader). I know that. I've heard him speak a lot of times.

[aminorthreat55]

What did I say in my previous post? I said "things like this" because he has done it before.
If I had taken it as fact I would've made a longer comment about how I disagree with what he supposedly said .

[Cal Smith]

What did I say in my previous post? I said "things like this" because he has done it before.

When has he done anything like this before? When has he said anyhthing public about God telling him to do something involving policy?

But Cal I mean correct me if I'm wrong but by what you are saying you cannot believe anything anyone says unless you hear it from them first? In that case isn't most of the news pointless?

You don't have to either believe it or not believe it right off the bat. You can take things for what they are and say, "I dont know". Why must you or I take a side with a small tid-bit of information that came from here-say, and might I also add was from translators putting things from eng. to arabic. It's stupid to make a decision.

Or maybe you're just assuming that I believe everything negative about him right away.

Ok, I said many of you are willing to believe things about Bush as long as it's negative. You replied with something that has nothing to do with anything...................the fact you think he speaks worse than a 5th grader.

It makes no sense cause the two are unrelated.

[YouMadeTheScene]

When has he done anything like this before? When has he said anyhthing public about God telling him to do something involving policy?



You don't have to either believe it or not believe it right off the bat. You can take things for what they are and say, "I dont know"
You don't have to but you can't put fault on anyone due to Bush's past quotes. I mean what would be the fun in hearing something like this from maybe the most reliable news source in the Western Hemisphere and saying 'Well Who Knows.' I mean past knowledge clearly would lead anyone to believe this quote.

But I mean honestly what would be the point of news if everything you heard you just said 'I Don't Know.' Hey did you hear Kennedy got shot? I don't know I didn't see it. I mean I'm not slamming you Cal I respect and sort of see what you are saying but you really can't blame anyone for believing what they heart and responding to it. if this was Al Sharpton I really doubt you would have no problem with it.

[Cal Smith]

You don't have to but you can't put fault on anyone due to Bush's past quotes. I mean what would be the fun in hearing something like this from maybe the most reliable news source in the Western Hemisphere and saying 'Well Who Knows.' I mean past knowledge clearly would lead anyone to believe this quote.

What past knowledge lead you to believe Bush said God told him to do this?


But I mean honestly what would be the point of news if everything you heard you just said 'I Don't Know.' Hey did you hear Kennedy got shot? I don't know I didn't see it. I mean I'm not slamming you Cal I respect and sort of see what you are saying but you really can't blame anyone for believing what they heart and responding to it. if this was Al Sharpton I really doubt you would have no problem with it.

Yes you can when you are considering it's hear-say........and also from translation. We can see Kennedy get shot so you have a bad analogy.

Here's a better analogy. Drudge breaking news on Kerry having an affair with an intern. Now do we say, "well this must be true cause he was right about clintons, so you cant fault me for believing it right off the bat."?................or................ do we get more evidence before you make a decision like that?

[YouMadeTheScene]

What past knowledge lead you to believe Bush said God told him to do this?




Yes you can when you are considering it's hear-say........and also from translation. We can see Kennedy get shot so you have a bad analogy.

Here's a better analogy. Drudge breaking news on Kerry having an affair with an intern. Now do we say, "well this must be true cause he was right about clintons, so you cant fault me for believing it right off the bat."?................or................ do we get more evidence before you make a decision like that?
really wasn't meant to be a great analogy. too tired to make one of those.

and what leads me to believe that what Bush has said is true? like aimnothreat said he has said before that God has led him to decisions and God led him to this presidency. The guy drops the big G word a lot and from my many bad political science classes presidents best not drop that G word because the american public no likey. Bush has no been shy in throwing that name around and that leads me to believe that this is most likely true. I mean its not US Weekly reporting Jess and Nick broke up its fucking BBC.

And I'm sure people at first who didn't see it on TV didn't believe he was shot. I don't know still a bad analogy.

[ghostyouare]

I wonder why.

Probably because we dislike him, right? It obviously has nothing to do with the fact that he speaks worse than a 5th grader.
so you would jump all of a disabled person too?

[Cal Smith]

really wasn't meant to be a great analogy. too tired to make one of those.

and what leads me to believe that what Bush has said is true? like aimnothreat said he has said before that God has led him to decisions and God led him to this presidency. The guy drops the big G word a lot and from my many bad political science classes presidents best not drop that G word because the american public no likey. Bush has no been shy in throwing that name around and that leads me to believe that this is most likely true. I mean its not US Weekly reporting Jess and Nick broke up its fucking BBC.

And I'm sure people at first who didn't see it on TV didn't believe he was shot. I don't know still a bad analogy.

show me

and i doesnt matter who's reporting it when it's still hear say and from translation.

[siberianxkiss]

one of the characteristics of a good leader is being a good orator. see ronald reagan.
bush is a terrible public speaker even when he has a prewritten statement.

[Cal Smith]

one of the characteristics of a good leader is being a good orator. see ronald reagan.
bush is a terrible public speaker even when he has a prewritten statement.

People............what does his public speaking ability have anything to do with in this case?

You might as well criticize his fashion sense because it's about as relevant.

[YouMadeTheScene]

show me

and i doesnt matter who's reporting it when it's still hear say and from translation.
so when you see the report on BBC you'll believe it? or you are going to learn Arabic so you can clearly understand the meaning? I mean come on man there comes a point when standing your position through the most clear as day things becomes just crazy. The guy said it. I mean I admit when Liberals suck and fuck up. This guy, our president, said something just absolutely asinine.

And he has said it before I've seen it on TV in interviews I am not going to go back and dig up transcripts. But I guess it's just heresay because I saw it on tv and now I am saying it here.

[Lueda Alia]

People............what does his public speaking ability have anything to do with in this case?

You might as well criticize his fashion sense because it's about as relevant.
Are you kidding me?

If someone can't speak, it says a lot about their intelligence. Someone who has a clue about what's going on, would know what to say. But maybe what he says never comes from him? So if it doesn't make sense, he wouldn't know anyway because he'd just be reading whatever's in front of him. But I figure what he reads does make sense, he just doesn't know how to make sense sometimes. Or a lot of times.

[siberianxkiss]

nothing i just wanted to point that out.

[YouMadeTheScene]

People............what does his public speaking ability have anything to do with in this case?

You might as well criticize his fashion sense because it's about as relevant.
public speaking if you've taken classes has a lot more to do with oratory skill. It has to do with what you say. I am pretty sure Bush's writing team didn't write up what he said, if he said it. And if they did someone ass is fired.

[Cal Smith]

Are you kidding me?

If someone can't speak, it says a lot about their intelligence. Someone who has a clue about what's going on, would know what to say. But maybe what he says never comes from him? So if it doesn't make sense, he wouldn't know anyway because he'd just be reading whatever's in front of him. But I figure what he reads does make sense, he just doesn't know how to make sense sometimes. Or a lot of times.

I've never read such irony in my life, funny irony at that.

[siberianxkiss]

I've never read such irony in my life, funny irony at that.
care to elaborate?

[Cal Smith]

public speaking if you've taken classes has a lot more to do with oratory skill. It has to do with what you say. I am pretty sure Bush's writing team didn't write up what he said, if he said it. And if they did someone ass is fired.

again you have hear say coming from the PLO and on top of that it's coming from translation.

for example, i can't remember the exact story but i believe it was carter in china and he made a speech and through translation if i remember right he said he wanted to make love to the chinese people.

[YouMadeTheScene]

again you have hear say coming from the PLO and on top of that it's coming from translation.
yes it is from the PLO, but do you really think the BBC would report something they found to be possibly factually incorrect?

again you have hear say coming from the PLO and on top of that it's coming from translation.

for example, i can't remember the exact story but i believe it was carter in china and he made a speech and through translation if i remember right he said he wanted to make love to the chinese people.
a speech and private conversation are two very different things. Bush spoke to people who most likely spoke English, he spoke to Palestinian officials.

[Cal Smith]

yes it is from the PLO, but do you really think the BBC would report something they found to be possibly factually incorrect?

hear say is something you can't varify as factual unless you have a recording or a whole bunch of witnesses to varify.




a speech and private conversation are two very different things. Bush spoke to people who most likely spoke English, he spoke to Palestinian officials.

See you can't assume that, it'd be nice to assume because it backs up what you want to believe. Thing is, is that this story is like 2 years old.

http://www.washingtonpost.com/ac2/wp-dyn/A37944-2003Jun26?language=printer

"The Haaretz reporter, Arnon Regular, read what the paper said were minutes of the Palestinians' meeting to Kessler and another colleague, who is an Arabic speaker.

The Arabic-speaking colleague's translation, was this: "God inspired me to hit al Qaeda, and so I hit it. And I had the inspiration to hit Saddam, and so I hit him. Now I am determined to solve the Middle East problem if you help. Otherwise the elections will come and I will be wrapped up with them."

Even then, there's uncertainty. After all, this is Abu Mazen's account in Arabic of what Bush said in English, written down by a note-taker in Arabic, then back into English."

[YouMadeTheScene]

hear say is something you can't varify as factual unless you have a recording or a whole bunch of witnesses to varify.
do you just refuse to admit that maybe something bush did wrong he actually did wrong and the liberal teens of america aren't bearing down on him because the daily show says so?

[Lueda Alia]

do you just refuse to admit that maybe something bush did wrong he actually did wrong and the liberal teens of america aren't bearing down on him because the daily show says so?
noooooooo. he never does anything wrong. those nasty liberals just want to bring him down.

[commatosa]

Cal, you need to seriously stop posting. It's so predictable that you're going to stick up for anything Bush does. George W. Bush could shit in a baby's mouth and someone would complain about it...surely enough Cal will be right on top of it saying something like "dude, it was justified cause this right winged newspaper says that the baby was a terrorist."

[Cal Smith]

so when you see the report on BBC you'll believe it? or you are going to learn Arabic so you can clearly understand the meaning? I mean come on man there comes a point when standing your position through the most clear as day things becomes just crazy. The guy said it. I mean I admit when Liberals suck and fuck up. This guy, our president, said something just absolutely asinine.

And he has said it before I've seen it on TV in interviews I am not going to go back and dig up transcripts. But I guess it's just heresay because I saw it on tv and now I am saying it here.

I'm not denynig he didnt say it, nor am stupid enough like ya'll to assume he did say it. You have something coming from one source (PLO), and it's from translators.

You being unable or unwilling to back your statements up shows a lot. Reason why I want you to show me where he said this is because I'm about 85% - 90% positive he's never said anything in regards to that, so I'm calling BS. It'd be a great way to prove me wrong if you could find a statement.

See you don't see what I'm arguing. Have I said Bush did not say this? No..........if ya'll would pull your head out of your ass for one moment, step back, and look at the situation I'm simply saying it's foolish to determine he did say or didn't say it based on hear-say from the PLO and the fact it's coming from translation.

Cal, you need to seriously stop posting. It's so predictable that you're going to stick up for anything Bush does. George W. Bush could shit in a baby's mouth and someone would complain about it...surely enough Cal will be right on top of it saying something like "dude, it was justified cause this right winged newspaper says that the baby was a terrorist."

Good intelligent post :thumbsup:

[commatosa]

Good intelligent post :thumbsup:
Good intelligent comeback:thumbsup:

[Cal Smith]

Good intelligent comeback:thumbsup:

That wasnt a comeback..........trying to form a comeback to someone talking about shitting in a baby's mouth would have to involve a pee-pee or poo-poo joke for you to understand (and perhaps a crude drawing)

[commatosa]

That wasnt a comeback..........trying to form a comeback to someone talking about shitting in a baby's mouth would have to involve a pee-pee or poo-poo joke for you to understand (and perhaps a crude drawing)
I forgot that you're unable to process humor. From now on I'll try to be more professional. Sorry dad.

[Cal Smith]

I forgot that you're unable to process humor. From now on I'll try to be more professional. Sorry dad.

Obviously you're unable to have good humor. I might have found Bush shitting in a baby's mouth funny say in ............'94 or '95 when I was in 6th or 7th grade. Now..........not so much though.

[Lueda Alia]

Cal, you need to seriously stop posting. It's so predictable that you're going to stick up for anything Bush does. George W. Bush could shit in a baby's mouth and someone would complain about it...surely enough Cal will be right on top of it saying something like "dude, it was justified cause this right winged newspaper says that the baby was a terrorist."
you're right. or at least what you're getting at is right.

[YouMadeTheScene]

I'm not denynig he didnt say it, nor am stupid enough like ya'll to assume he did say it. You have something coming from one source (PLO), and it's from translators.

You being unable or unwilling to back your statements up shows a lot. Reason why I want you to show me where he said this is because I'm about 85% - 90% positive he's never said anything in regards to that, so I'm calling BS. It'd be a great way to prove me wrong if you could find a statement.

See you don't see what I'm arguing. Have I said Bush did not say this? No..........if ya'll would pull your head out of your ass for one moment, step back, and look at the situation I'm simply saying it's foolish to determine he did say or didn't say it based on hear-say from the PLO and the fact it's coming from translation.



Good intelligent post :thumbsup:

or it could be that i'm in work and far to lazy to sit and search to find a transcript. when i get home i'll sit down and look for something and show you that your 15-10% is a reality.

And all i'm saying is that you shouldn't doubt everything. i mean every single one of your posts you are doubting what is being said. i am not attacking your intelligence cause you seem like a smart enough guy. but I think something like this you are defending him simply just to defend him. in my eyes in many peoples eyes you come off as your ordinary right wing man, you go around the facts and try to come up with any reason to discredit them.


if you are saying it is mis-translated then tell me what you think it was meant to say? i mean if it meant something else that is pretty damn ironic that it came out to say that.

oh and Cal here is your proof

Stephen Mansfield, author of The Faith of George W. Bush, goes on to say: "Not long after, Bush called James Robison (a prominent minister) and told him, 'I've heard the call. I believe God wants me to run for President.' " Richard Land of the Southern Baptist Convention heard Bush say something similar: "Among the things he said to us was: I believe that God wants me to be president, but if that doesn't happen, it's OK.' "

Time magazine reported (http://www.beliefnet.com/story/121/story_12112_1.html), "Privately, Bush talked of being chosen by the grace of God to lead at that moment." World Magazine, a conservative Christian publication, quoted White House official Tim Goeglein as saying, "I think President Bush is God's man at this hour, and I say this with a great sense of humility."

Are the White House and the Bush campaign actively encouraging the idea that Bush has been put there by God? Bush has been careful to never say anything close to that in public. And yet the combination of passages in carefully vetted speeches and quotes from close friends or supporters indicate that this is the understanding.

that was taken from here
http://slate.msn.com/id/2106590/

i think they call that Divine Rule? Correct?

this is from USA today

Bush believes he was called by God to lead the nation at this time, says Commerce Secretary Don Evans, a close friend who talks with Bush every day.

http://www.usatoday.com/news/washington/2003-04-01-bush-cover_x.htm

[Justin_stacy]

you're right. or at least what you're getting at is right.

but then again, by the same standards, the opposite is also true about people like commatosa.....

[commatosa]

but then again, by the same standards, the opposite is also true about people like commatosa.....
well poo-poo on you.

[aminorthreat55]

When has he done anything like this before? When has he said anyhthing public about God telling him to do something involving policy?
First off, you know for a fact that he is extremely open about his beliefs and mentions God frequently. He makes a point of trying not to directly ever say anything, but based on his support for refunds for faith-based charities and his other views, you can't deny it's influence. Here's a couple, not all directly involving policy.

"I believe God has called us into action. Our country has got a responsibility, we are a great nation, we are a wealthy nation, we have a responsibility to help a neighbour in need, a brother and sister in crisis."
http://www.news24.com/News24/South_Africa/Bush_in_Africa/0,,2-7-1505_1386439,00.html

“I am carrying out divine commands.” - George W. Bush in front of the astonished Canadian prime minister Paul Martin Reported in The Toronto Globe and Mail (http://www.theglobeandmail.com/servlet/Page/document/v4/sub/MarketingPage?user_URL=http://www.theglobeandmail.com%2Fservlet%2 Fstory%2FRTGAM.20040205.wmartin0205 %2FBNStory%2F&ord=1128642928917&brand=theglobeandmail&force_login=true)

And he's claimed many many times that he believes God called him to run for President.

[YouMadeTheScene]

First off, you know for a fact that he is extremely open about his beliefs and mentions God frequently. He makes a point of trying not to directly ever say anything, but based on his support for refunds for faith-based charities and his other views, you can't deny it's influence. Here's a couple, not all directly involving policy.

"I believe God has called us into action. Our country has got a responsibility, we are a great nation, we are a wealthy nation, we have a responsibility to help a neighbour in need, a brother and sister in crisis."
http://www.news24.com/News24/South_Africa/Bush_in_Africa/0,,2-7-1505_1386439,00.html

“I am carrying out divine commands.” - George W. Bush in front of the astonished Canadian prime minister Paul Martin Reported in The Toronto Globe and Mail (http://www.theglobeandmail.com/servlet/Page/document/v4/sub/MarketingPage?user_URL=http://www.theglobeandmail.com%2Fservlet%2 Fstory%2FRTGAM.20040205.wmartin0205 %2FBNStory%2F&ord=1128642928917&brand=theglobeandmail&force_login=true)

And he's claimed many many times that he believes God called him to run for President.

i posted more links above as well.



to be immature in the political forum but OWNED

[lackofcolour 13]

Im not trying to discredit all truth. But it does basically say "The prime minister said that george bush said..." Add a language barrier, and its not too many degrees away from being false.

[YouMadeTheScene]

Im not trying to discredit all truth. But it does basically say "The prime minister said that george bush said..." Add a language barrier, and its not too many degrees away from being false.now that you brought that up you made a better argument for me though. I forgot to mention that Nabil Shaath is fluent in English. So really there is only one degree of seperation. There is no difference between George Bush saying that to any fluent English speaker.

Shaath, with a doctorate in economics from the University of Pennsylvania's Wharton School, has worked in business and academia, and been a member of the PLO's central committee since 1970. He has been a top peace negotiator since the 1991 Madrid peace conference. His stint as minister of planning was tainted by corruption allegations in 1997 from Palestinian legislators. Shaath denied the allegation and Arafat kept him in his post.

Shaath was born in Safad, in what is now northern Israel, and grew up in Egypt.

Balding, affable, accessible and fluent in English, Shaath is the man Arafat has charged with the bulk of the Palestinians' foreign relations.



http://www.cbsnews.com/htdocs/arafat/whois_shaath.html



I don't want to bust Cal's balls but I mean there is enough information here to take heresay and turn it into probable truth. He is well documented in citing God as a reason for his actions and his presidency and the man that reported this is fluent in English, he even went to school in the US, so really translation isn't even a factor.

[Cal Smith]

or it could be that i'm in work and far to lazy to sit and search to find a transcript. when i get home i'll sit down and look for something and show you that your 15-10% is a reality.

And all i'm saying is that you shouldn't doubt everything

Again I'm not saying he didnt say it. I'm saying it's ridiculous to determine either way.

i mean every single one of your posts you are doubting what is being said. i am not attacking your intelligence cause you seem like a smart enough guy. but I think something like this you are defending him simply just to defend him. in my eyes in many peoples eyes you come off as your ordinary right wing man, you go around the facts and try to come up with any reason to discredit them.

What facts am I going around? The fact is there is no way to determine one way or another.........even though you have determined he did say it.

i posted more links above as well.



to be immature in the political forum but OWNED

OWNED.......perhaps you could show me where Bush has said God told him something. See......there's a big difference in what your showing as proof and what your arguing.

For example, I've been taking care of an evacuee here for the past week or two. He's paralyzed and I knew he'd need some help so I go over there daily, run errands and so forth. He told me yesterday that he had talked to his Sunday school teacher and they had said they had been praying for him and for someone to take care of him while he's on his own. He told me he thought those prayers were answered by my help. Now me being a religious person believes that God does give us chances and opportunities to help others and help answer their prayers. Now does that mean I think God told me specifically to help him? Or does it mean he thinks God told me to help him? No

This goes for Bush and your "so-called" proof. From your links Bush seems to think he was put in a place of power for a reason (doesnt mean he thinks God is telling him to do specific things). It's no different from people who look towards astrology, taroh cards, or believe in fate

I asked to see where Bush has specifically said he made decisions because God told him too? You said yourself you've seen it in interviews and there are transcripts. I havent seen this unless I've overlooked it.

[FScott]

It seems the divine right of kings is making a comeback.:shake:

[YouMadeTheScene]

This goes for Bush and your "so-called" proof. From your links Bush seems to think he was put in a place of power for a reason (doesnt mean he thinks God is telling him to do specific things). It's no different from people who look towards astrology, taroh cards, or believe in fate

I asked to see where Bush has specifically said he made decisions because God told him too? You said yourself you've seen it in interviews and there are transcripts. I havent seen this unless I've overlooked it.
"I believe God has called us into action. Our country has got a responsibility, we are a great nation, we are a wealthy nation, we have a responsibility to help a neighbour in need, a brother and sister in crisis."
http://www.news24.com/News24/South_...1386439,00.html (http://www.news24.com/News24/South_Africa/Bush_in_Africa/0,,2-7-1505_1386439,00.html)

“I am carrying out divine commands.” - George W. Bush in front of the astonished Canadian prime minister Paul Martin Reported in The Toronto Globe and Mail (http://www.theglobeandmail.com/servlet/Page/document/v4/sub/MarketingPage?user_URL=http://www.theglobeandmail.com%2Fservlet%2 Fstory%2FRTGAM.20040205.wmartin0205 %2FBNStory%2F&ord=1128642928917&brand=theglobeandmail&force_login=true)


from aimnothreat

plus I'd like to say what you are doing for the evacuee's is great.

[Cal Smith]

"I believe God has called us into action. Our country has got a responsibility, we are a great nation, we are a wealthy nation, we have a responsibility to help a neighbour in need, a brother and sister in crisis."
http://www.news24.com/News24/South_...1386439,00.html (http://www.news24.com/News24/South_Africa/Bush_in_Africa/0,,2-7-1505_1386439,00.html)

Yes, he's not saying called told him to do something specifically. What's obvious from this quote is Bush believes in God and Bush believes it's our responsiblity to help those in need based on what he sees are his teachings. That's a big difference from God speaking to him and telling him to help Africa specifically.

It's not that shocking for anyone to say that.

“I am carrying out divine commands.” - George W. Bush in front of the astonished Canadian prime minister Paul Martin Reported in The Toronto Globe and Mail (http://www.theglobeandmail.com/servlet/Page/document/v4/sub/MarketingPage?user_URL=http://www.theglobeandmail.com%2Fservlet%2 Fstory%2FRTGAM.20040205.wmartin0205 %2FBNStory%2F&ord=1128642928917&brand=theglobeandmail&force_login=true)


from aimnothreat

plus I'd like to say what you are doing for the evacuee's is great.

links not working or at least it's not going to this quote.

[lackofcolour 13]

I just find it horribly hard to believe that George Bush would start calling all of this a crusade. If it's too good to be true, it probably is.

[radiofriendly]

"I believe God has called us into action. Our country has got a responsibility, we are a great nation, we are a wealthy nation, we have a responsibility to help a neighbour in need, a brother and sister in crisis."
http://www.news24.com/News24/South_...1386439,00.html
not a big deal, and certainly not a first for a US President to have said

[Rebs]

Most of the presidents in the past have been religious, it still bothers me, but its not really a big deal

[YouMadeTheScene]

its not about being religous. that is fine. its about saying that god has spoken to you and god as selected you and etc etc. because that is basically saying you were given divine rule. not to mention its a bit blasphemous to say God chose you and god is telling you to attack other countries.

[lackofcolour 13]

its not about being religous. that is fine. its about saying that god has spoken to you and god as selected you and etc etc. because that is basically saying you were given divine rule. not to mention its a bit blasphemous to say God chose you and god is telling you to attack other countries.
mhm. which is why I find it hard to believe true.

[The Revisionist]

This isn't news, he's said this over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over... numerous times.

[Paul Tao]

I haven't read the replies to this thread so I don't know if this has been brought up yet, but an Irish reporter recently asked Bush a question about this:

“Mr President, you are a man who has a great faith in God. I’ve heard you say many times that you strive to serve somebody greater than yourself.”

“Right.”

“Do you believe that the hand of God is guiding you in this war on terror?”

This question had been on my mind ever since September 11, when Bush began to invoke God in his speeches. He spoke as if he believed that his job of stewarding America through the attacks and beyond was somehow preordained, that he had been chosen for this role. He closed his eyes as he began to answer.

“Listen, I think that God . . . that my relationship with God is a very personal relationship. And I turn to the Good Lord for strength. I turn to the Good Lord for guidance. I turn to the Good Lord for forgiveness. But the God I know is not one that . . . the God I know is one that promotes peace and freedom. But I get great sustenance from my personal relationship.”

[splitsecond]

Cal, you need to seriously stop posting. It's so predictable that you're going to stick up for anything Bush does. George W. Bush could shit in a baby's mouth and someone would complain about it...surely enough Cal will be right on top of it saying something like "dude, it was justified cause this right winged newspaper says that the baby was a terrorist."
Someone needs to shit in your mouth so you stop saying so many ignorant things.

[bopst]

"That's absurd. He's never made such comments," White House spokesman Scott McClellan said Thursday. (http://news.yahoo.com/s/afp/20051007/od_afp/mideastbritainusiraq_051007131357;_ ylt=Ag5eT53X7fDeG1OqXVCJYOqgOrgF;_y lu=X3oDMTBiMW04NW9mBHNlYwMlJVRPUCUl )

Yeah......right......

[Kid Kilowatt]

its not about being religous. that is fine. its about saying that god has spoken to you and god as selected you and etc etc. because that is basically saying you were given divine rule. not to mention its a bit blasphemous to say God chose you and god is telling you to attack other countries.He did do it in the Old Testament.

[bopst]

Religion has no place in government....

[siberianxkiss]

how has this not been posted yet?

When the president talks to God
Are the conversations brief or long?
Does he ask to rape our women’s' rights
And send poor farm kids off to die?
Does God suggest an oil hike
When the president talks to God?

When the president talks to God
Are the consonants all hard or soft?
Is he resolute all down the line?
Is every issue black or white?
Does what God say ever change his mind
When the president talks to God?

When the president talks to God
Does he fake that drawl or merely nod?
Agree which convicts should be killed?
Where prisons should be built and filled?
Which voter fraud must be concealed
When the president talks to God?

When the president talks to God
I wonder which one plays the better cop
We should find some jobs. the ghetto's broke
No, they're lazy, George, I say we don't
Just give 'em more liquor stores and dirty coke
That's what God recommends

When the president talks to God
Do they drink near beer and go play golf
While they pick which countries to invade
Which Muslim souls still can be saved?
I guess god just calls a spade a spade
When the president talks to God

When the president talks to God
Does he ever think that maybe he's not?
That that voice is just inside his head
When he kneels next to the presidential bed
Does he ever smell his own bullshit
When the president talks to God?

[aminorthreat55]

how has this not been posted yet?
Because Bright Eyes is overrated.

[siberianxkiss]

i agree the band honks, but it just seemed obvious for this thread

[aminorthreat55]

i agree the band honks, but it just seemed obvious for this thread
Just making sure we're all on the same page here on at least one thing.

[bopst]

I don't know whose God he's talking to because it certainly isn't mine....

[Trainsaw]

Someone needs to shit in your mouth so you stop saying so many ignorant things.
take your own advice.

[richter915]

take your own advice.
agreed. Don't worry, it's the typical anti-liberal comment. They can't think when they're stuck in a corner so they have to be immature and obscene. I don't expect much better. He's probably the kinda person who has to resort to violence when he can't think anymore...

about this whole matter

I think George Bush likes to think of himself as a god.

[Louballs]

Again I'm not saying he didnt say it. I'm saying it's ridiculous to determine either way.

What facts am I going around? The fact is there is no way to determine one way or another.........even though you have determined he did say it.



There's no way to determine, without being there, that anything reported in a news source really happened. That's why we either have to believe what the news tells us (as most of the people posting here obviously do) or doubt it (as you obviously do). I support your decision to doubt the news, Cal. I'm sure you doubted when it was reported that Bush said Saddam Hussein was behind the 9/11 attacks. And I'm sure you doubted when it was reported that Bush said "we won the war in Iraq." And I'm sure you doubted when it was reported that Bush said that we'd be out of Iraq by June 30 (which was several months ago). You have reason to doubt the news, since so many of the things that Bush reportedly said have not come to fruition, and our President can't possibly be a huge fucking liar.


And oh yeah-- it's "hearsay." One word.

[HashHolly]

the president is a moron.

/thread

[Cal Smith]

There's no way to determine, without being there, that anything reported in a news source really happened. That's why we either have to believe what the news tells us (as most of the people posting here obviously do) or doubt it (as you obviously do). I support your decision to doubt the news, Cal. I'm sure you doubted when it was reported that Bush said Saddam Hussein was behind the 9/11 attacks. And I'm sure you doubted when it was reported that Bush said "we won the war in Iraq." And I'm sure you doubted when it was reported that Bush said that we'd be out of Iraq by June 30 (which was several months ago). You have reason to doubt the news, since so many of the things that Bush reportedly said have not come to fruition, and our President can't possibly be a huge fucking liar.


And oh yeah-- it's "hearsay." One word.

Maybe your feelings of 9/11 and Iraq are wrong because you believe the Bush administration actually said that..........? Meaning they never said Iraq was responsible for 9/11. Also Bush never said we'd be out of Iraq by June 30th.

Apparently you simply dont watch the news...............or perhaps you are the big liar.