The Alchemy Index vs The Devil And God Are Raging Inside Me

[x1onexwo1fx]

You know what to do.

[VIVALAMATT]

why are these two being compared? they're totally different things.

anywho, i went with Alchemy Index because it's 4 amazing cds, whereas TDAGARIM is only 1 amazing cd

[AussieBoy]

Thrice!!!!!!!

[kittypants]

Both are awesome but it's like apples to oranges. Therefore, I went with my favorite artist THRICE!

[Burn That Shit]

Alchemy index was rather hit or miss. If it was a different Thrice album, they might've gotten the vote in this one.

[x1onexwo1fx]

why are these two being compared? they're totally different things.

Both are awesome but it's like apples to oranges.

Well, the two bands did tour together a couple of years ago...

My last poll was Clarity vs Full Collapse. It's pretty well known that both of these albums were highly influential in their respective genres. This time around, I chose two more recent albums that I thought were also very influential, again, in their own respective genres.

I guess the only similarity between Alchemy Index and TDAGARIM is that they're unlike anything we've heard before. Wouldn't that be fair to say?

[Alex DiVincenzo]

At the risk of being lambasted by all of APnet, I'm not really a fan of either. I guess I slightly prefer Alchemy Index.

[speakhandsforme]

Before The Devil and God was released, I didn't even like Brand New. I thought that Deja was boring as hell.

But TDAGARIM is a fucking masterpiece.

[IceAge/HeatWave]

Well, the two bands did tour together a couple of years ago...

My last poll was Clarity vs Full Collapse. It's pretty well known that both of these albums were highly influential in their respective genres. This time around, I chose two more recent albums that I thought were also very influential, again, in their own respective genres.

I guess the only similarity between Alchemy Index and TDAGARIM is that they're unlike anything we've heard before. Wouldn't that be fair to say?

while TDAGARIM is good, i'd say that a lot of it seems to wear the influences on it's sleeves. jesus christ reminds me of modest mouse a hell of a lot. but that could just be me.

[showyourteeth]

Alchemy index was rather hit or miss. If it was a different Thrice album, they might've gotten the vote in this one.

well said

[ElevenElm]

i went with devil and god seeing as i am just not a thrice person. when i saw dustin kensrue's solo show, i was very impressed and wanted to give thrice another try. but i still have yet to see what everyone else sees in them. i possibly could have started off with the wrong album.

[jjjkman]

The Devil and God is personally my favorite Brand New Album...and sense Brand New is my favorite band.....yeah

[Machu505]

Tdag.

[Bloodsucker II]

Damn this thread.

I just can't choose.

i went with devil and god seeing as i am just not a thrice person. when i saw dustin kensrue's solo show, i was very impressed and wanted to give thrice another try. but i still have yet to see what everyone else sees in them. i possibly could have started off with the wrong album.

See Thrice live and that should change the way you see them. I was lucky enough to see Thrice play with Brand New and I have to say I think I enjoyed Thrice's performance better but it's a close call.

Edit: I voted Brand New. But if the Thrice album was Vheissu then that would have been my choice.

[x1onexwo1fx]

Damn this thread.

I just can't choose.

That was the whole point in making this poll, actually, though I think it might actually be easy to choose between the two for the majority of people on here. But yeah, I know exactly what you mean.

[x1onexwo1fx]

jesus christ reminds me of modest mouse a hell of a lot. but that could just be me.

I don't listen to Modest Mouse (yet), but I've read comments on youtube about how one of Brand New's new songs they've been playing live sounds kind of like Modest Mouse's older stuff.

On a personal note, when TDAGARIM came out, it was my first exposure to anything that sounded so remotely different from everything else that I've been listening to. I was still so attached to Taking Back Sunday and The Starting Line at the time, and TDAGARIM really opened up my ears to a lot of different (and in most cases, better?) music.

[x1onexwo1fx]

Alchemy index was rather hit or miss.

As a whole, weren't both albums kind of hit-or-miss? I've seen people that are still so attached to Deja, or even YFW, that they just can't accept TDAGARIM. Same thing with Illusion of Safety vs Alchemy Index.

[x1onexwo1fx]

I did expect Brand New to win, but I was kind of hoping it would be just a tad closer...

Still, it is too early to tell.

[Burn That Shit]

As a whole, weren't both albums kind of hit-or-miss? I've seen people that are still so attached to Deja, or even YFW, that they just can't accept TDAGARIM. Same thing with Illusion of Safety vs Alchemy Index.

You could argue that TDAG is hit or miss (The lyrics on Not the Sun were just yuck), but fan reception is a completely different thing than being hit or miss. When I say hit or miss, I mean tracks that made it onto an album that should not have been on the album, like many people could argue that the water disc, aside from a few decent moments, just wasn't very adventurous for Thrice's talent.

[I am Mick]

The Devil and God is so overrated. Half of the album is filler, there is like three good songs and there is no flow at all. It blows me away how many people love it.

Alchemy Index for sure

[speakhandsforme]

Neither of the albums are anything remotely new musically. TDAG is better.

Remotely? That's a bit harsh considering the variety of their genre(s).

[Burn That Shit]

The Devil and God is so overrated. Half of the album is filler, there is like three good songs and there is no flow at all. It blows me away how many people love it.

Alchemy Index for sure


You honestly think there's more filler on TDAG than on the Alchemy Index? I'm not even that big of a Brand New fan, but you're crazy.

[fadedmemories]

Your Favorite Weapon.


Just kidding, I prefer TDAG, but I'm not too big a fan of both bands.

[Kid B]

Both are alright, I listen to TAI more but when I do listen to TDAG, it hits me a lot harder. I guess TDAG.

[MattRM]

Alchemy Index.

[pennie]

A little bit silly. Brand New for me none the less

[oddwithoutend]

The Alchemy Index isn't very good.

TDAG wins by element of surprise, production quality, and superior lyrics.

[liveloud4life]

The Alchemy Index isn't very good.

TDAG wins by element of surprise, production quality, and superior lyrics.

Wow. Seriously? What could you possibly be going off of to say TAI isn't very good?

Neither of the albums are anything remotely new musically. TDAG is better.

It's pretty hard to come up with something that's NEVER been done before at all, cause there's just only so many things you can do, but these are 2 bands that come quite a bit closer than pretty much anyone else making music right now. What would it take for you to think something is new?

[Cuddleworthy]

What would it take for you to think something is new?

Battles - Mirrored.

much more innovative and "new" than either of these albums

[oddwithoutend]

Wow. Seriously? What could you possibly be going off of to say TAI isn't very good?

Well...

I have major issues with the production, particularly with the voice. Whenever Kensrue yells in a song, his voice is drowned out/quieted down. It's like he's in a room singing, and whenever he decides to get into a yelling part, they shut a big concrete door on him. This is a major reason why songs from the alchemy index are much better live than on cd to me.

Also, I find the lyrics to be unrelatable and unneccessarily mystic to the point where I cannot enjoy them very much. I find them also to rhyme too well too often.

Overall, I guess the Alchemy Index is too neat and tidy for me. I can't get over how such hard songs have the ability to put me asleep. I did really enjoy songs from the album when I saw them live, and on the live DVD.

[oddwithoutend]

Battles - Mirrored.

Great album.

[k1guitar]

Alchemy index was rather hit or miss. If it was a different Thrice album, they might've gotten the vote in this one.

that alll i could of said.

[schaft0620]

take out some of the bad songs from the 4 albums and make one 12 track great album and yes it is better but I just can compare 4 eps to 1 cd

[schaft0620]

take out some of the bad songs from the 4 albums and make one 12 track great album and yes it is better but I just can compare 4 eps to 1 cd

[liveloud4life]

Well...

I have major issues with the production, particularly with the voice. Whenever Kensrue yells in a song, his voice is drowned out/quieted down. It's like he's in a room singing, and whenever he decides to get into a yelling part, they shut a big concrete door on him. This is a major reason why songs from the alchemy index are much better live than on cd to me.

Also, I find the lyrics to be unrelatable and unneccessarily mystic to the point where I cannot enjoy them very much. I find them also to rhyme too well too often.

Overall, I guess the Alchemy Index is too neat and tidy for me. I can't get over how such hard songs have the ability to put me asleep. I did really enjoy songs from the album when I saw them live, and on the live DVD.

I guess production is never something I've cared too much about. The whole recording and producing of music is, to me, just a means of getting what they write and play into my ears.

Lyrically, unrelateable is completely a personal thing so that's not for me to argue with; he writes on Christian themes and I guess you can write all Christian lyrics off if you want. But objectively and apart from relating to them, Dustin is an amazing lyricist and alot of his best work is on TAI: Digital Sea, the Messenger, Burn the Fleet, etc. I'm not sure how it's too mystic. I always thought it was pretty straight forward. And by rhyme too well do you mean that it just shouldn't rhyme as often or he should use less perfect rhyme and more near rhyme? I feel like you should draw the line when you're trying to make a rhyme and it seems forced. Every time it rhymes on TAI it just flowed together perfectly, so I'm not sure what the problem is.

[spansen]

thrice.

[phil19]

the devil and god.
i never got into the alchemy index

[sofaraway]

I'm not surprised that brand new is winning this thread...

What i will say is that I love thrice off of their older albums and that I'm not so much a fan of the Alchemy Index anthology. I miss "Deadbolt," "Under this Killing Moon," "Kill Me Quickly," and songs like those.

[phil19]

I'm not surprised that brand new is winning this thread...

What i will say is that I love thrice off of their older albums and that I'm not so much a fan of the Alchemy Index anthology. I miss "Deadbolt," "Under this Killing Moon," "Kill Me Quickly," and songs like those.

great song!!! im also a big fan of see you in the shallows

[x1onexwo1fx]

I'm not surprised that brand new is winning this thread...

Me neither, actually, but I'm surprised at how much they're winning by. I thought, or at least hoped, it would be a little bit closer.

[fadedmemories]

I'm not surprised that brand new is winning this thread...

What i will say is that I love thrice off of their older albums and that I'm not so much a fan of the Alchemy Index anthology. I miss "Deadbolt," "Under this Killing Moon," "Kill Me Quickly," and songs like those.
:nod:

[jbaseball44]

Clearly TDAG

[yellowhouse]

Battles - Mirrored.

much more innovative and "new" than either of these albums


haha well said.

although the devil and god is still a phenomenal album.

as for thrice, well i tried to listen to them, and it's just not my thing i guess.

[stonecoldfox]

At the risk of being lambasted by all of APnet, I'm not really a fan of either. I guess I slightly prefer Alchemy Index.

consider yourself lambasted fool!

[jmirand1]

Well, the two bands did tour together a couple of years ago...

My last poll was Clarity vs Full Collapse. It's pretty well known that both of these albums were highly influential in their respective genres. This time around, I chose two more recent albums that I thought were also very influential, again, in their own respective genres.

I guess the only similarity between Alchemy Index and TDAGARIM is that they're unlike anything we've heard before. Wouldn't that be fair to say?

No, that's kind of an unfair thing to say, considering all the obvious influences - especially ithe Brand New (sounds like so much 80's/90's alternative/indie/goth stuff.)

[aircourtneys]

easy.

[petethemeat]

no band ever beats brand new for anything on this website.

[billyboatkid]

The Devil and God no contest.

I love Thrice, but come on.

[Deadbolt01]

Man that's close. agonising. I'm a bigger fan of Thrice, but went for Brand New on this one just because I think the alchemy index was more of an experiment for Thrice. I mean it worked really well and was brilliant listening on the most part, but as a whole thing it could never have been as amazing as Vheissu. So many songs they had to write for it, without B-Sides, there were always going to be one or two that wouldnt make it to a normal album.

[Deadbolt01]

no band ever beats brand new for anything on this website.
http://www.absolutepunk.net/showthread.php?t=861882

[losnoufy]

neither album is revolutionary...neither one is "unlike anything we've heard before". well, maybe, but they aren't unlike anything that has been put out before. however, TDAG is absolutely amazing. the alchemy index, while i respect thrice's ambition, is a bit too much. i think their next album will be much better. i see the alchemy index as kind of a songwriting exercise for thrice, but not so good as cohesive albums (i do think the last two installments were a HUGE step up, however).

so, it's the devil and god for me. one of the best albums of the 2000's, in my opinion. but still, not revolutionary. if there's any songwriter that's not afraid to let his influences shine through his music, it's Jesse Lacey.

[SteffRyanFail]

tdag. I never really got into Thrice.

[MyNameIsRoss]

tha devil n' godd

[threepunchjim]

like brand new. don't like thrice