bands in the scene that get undeserved(?) hate by the scene

[stealthpeng]

I'm going to start by naming a band that will make many groan, and many others secretly smile, but then groan.

Good Charlotte. For the life of me, I've never understood why this band gets the hate that it does. Even before their third album, The Chronicles of Life and Death, was released, this band already got a lot of hate. To me, they've always seemed honest lyrically, and they put out solid radio-friendly pop-punk. APers in general go crazy for solid pop-punk. So, what's the problem? You could point to Chronicles, as it verged into darker, more emo territory... however, I believe that the band was just being honest. People don't hate Weezer for Pinkerton. They venerate the band for that album, in fact. So, why Chronicles has so much hate is beyond me. As far as Good Morning Revival, that was a bit of a mixed bag for me, however, I don't think that the band wasn't being honest to where they were. I don't think they were just riding the dance-synth train (although they may have been a little bit). Afterall, Joel's interests expanded to include deejaying, so it's expected that the dance scene would influence the band's style.

So, why does this band grind your gears? What bands do you think get undeserved hate by the scene?

[ThisIsNotDan]

I used to dig these guys back in 6th grade. hell I still listen to "Festival Song" every now and then (NHL Hitz 2002 ftw), but other than that I don't like em now

[11:11]

Fall Out Boy.

[TheOtherAndrew]

scenescenescenescenescene

[TheHoldSteady]

I used to dig these guys back in 6th grade. hell I still listen to "Festival Song" every now and then (NHL Hitz 2002 ftw), but other than that I don't like em now
Fucking A, that game rules.

[kianacarly]

Fall Out Boy.

This. Today it seems like they're getting more hate than usual, well at least Pete.

[stealthpeng]

Good Charlotte gets even more hate than FOB, and they've changed their sound less imo. I'm not a fan of FOB, but I will admit that they make good catchy radio rock.

[sweepthenation]

Fall Out Boy
Chiodos
The Devil Wears Prada
Mayday Parade
All Time Low

[ThisIsNotDan]

Fucking A, that game rules.

hell yeah played that sooooo much

[oddwithoutend]

chiodos

edit: and I'm not a fan.

[theguy77]

hahahaha i have no idea why you are comparing a good charlotte album to weezer's pinkerton. weezer is a pop-rock band who was part of a scene in the mid 90s, yes, but one that is nowhere near as gimmicky, image driven, or closed off from venturing into different regions sound-wise. even if it did have an image/gimmick, the whole nerd-rock dichotomy, that ones far less repulsive than the current "im depressed and dress like kiss would if they got attacked by a rainbow and i use my long hair to cover my ugly face" image of today. the 00s "scene" is terrible and got worse as the decade went on.

but good charlotte was the shit when i was 13.

[UnderMyDreams]

Good Charlotte gets alot more hate now, because before the shit Chronicles of Life And Death came out they were decent. Now they just fail. Good Morning Revival was pretty much shit(cool CD title though).

Other than that, I'll say All Time Low and FTSK... I just don't get how everyone hates them.

There should be one of these about bands that get wayyyy too much praise on here....

[stealthpeng]

hahahaha i have no idea why you are comparing a good charlotte album to weezer's pinkerton. weezer is a pop-rock band who was part of a scene in the mid 90s, yes, but one that is nowhere near as gimmicky, image driven, or closed off from venturing into different regions sound-wise. even if it did have an image/gimmick, the whole nerd-rock dichotomy, that ones far less repulsive than the current "im depressed and dress like kiss would if they got attacked by a rainbow and i use my long hair to cover my ugly face" image of today. the 00s "scene" is terrible and got worse as the decade went on.

I love how you act like you're old enough to know what the scene was like in the mid 90s. Weezer and Good Charlotte are both highly successful radio pop rock bands that had fairly successful mainstream albums (Blue, Green...Young and the Hopeless, Good Charlotte) and darkhorse albums (Pinkerton...and, imo Chronicles)

and, I did this analysis without trying to remember what the 'scene' was like in either decade, although I do remember the 2000s fairly well

[Use me!]

Since most scenesters are also purists, I think the scene will typically abandon a band once the band gets enough mainstream attention.

[Burn That Shit]

Any band that ends up on perezhilton.com just isn't worth talking about.

[theguy77]

Good Charlotte gets alot more hate now, because before the shit Chronicles of Life And Death came out they were decent. Now they just fail. Good Morning Revival was pretty much shit(cool CD title though).

Other than that, I'll say All Time Low and FTSK... I just don't get how everyone hates them.

There should be one of these about bands that get wayyyy too much praise on here....

i dont speak for everyone but i speak for a lot of people when i say it's because:

1) these bands are fronted by awfully annoying vocalists who sing their vowels out in such a way that the consonants are barely audible sometimes, constituting what some people consider to be a really whiney sound;
2) these bands lyrically use the same old bad metaphors as every other scene band (my own band is currently guilty of this) or otherwise write in ways that are so straightforward they lack a sense of style or anything that resembles an attempt at something artistic;
3) these bands structure every other part of their songwriting for the sole purpose of fitting the vocal melody, which isn't even that catchy or definitive in the first place, hence the phrase "boy bands with guitars", as their writing barely consists of anything aside from simple 3- or 4-chord guitar patterns, basslines that dont form any melody but simply follow the power chords, and predictable drumbeats with little variance from the pop-punk energy template;
4) and the fact that they're so much a product of scene trends in songwriting that you can predict what's going to happen next in the song at every 5 second interval.

and that was simply talking about the music, not even touching any negative bias i or others may have toward the band based on irrelevant things such as their marketing tactics.

[theguy77]

I love how you act like you're old enough to know what the scene was like in the mid 90s. Weezer and Good Charlotte are both highly successful radio pop rock bands that had fairly successful mainstream albums (Blue, Green...Young and the Hopeless, Good Charlotte) and darkhorse albums (Pinkerton...and, imo Chronicles)

and, I did this analysis without trying to remember what the 'scene' was like in either decade, although I do remember the 2000s fairly well

i love how you act like you're more credible for being 2 years older than me. so i was 5 in 1995; you were still 7 and probably didnt know shit about music scenes either. fortunately performing research on such scenes via the internet media is possible, and though articles not written in that time period fail to provide you with more than a perspective-based silhouette of what the scene really was, you can generally draw on your own inferences to get an idea. im sorry but when i look at a promo picture of weezer and then i look at a promo picture of good charlotte you can tell the latter have put much more effort into gimmicks and image.

[Poe-tryGirl]

I used to like Good Charlotte, but they're different now. I don't really care about them now.

[11:11]

Any band that ends up on perezhilton.com just isn't worth talking about.
False. Coldplay was on there once.

[stealthpeng]

i love how you act like you're more credible for being 2 years older than me. so i was 5 in 1995; you were still 7 and probably didnt know shit about music scenes either. fortunately performing research on such scenes via the internet media is possible, and though articles not written in that time period fail to provide you with more than a perspective-based silhouette of what the scene really was, you can generally draw on your own inferences to get an idea. im sorry but when i look at a promo picture of weezer and then i look at a promo picture of good charlotte you can tell the latter have put much more effort into gimmicks and image.

I stated that I didn't know anything about the scene then, lol. But thanks for reading my whole post ;)

so, you're basically gathering how you feel about Good Charlotte on how they dress? You know Weezer did have, and still has an image too, right? Arguing about image is stupid, because nearly every, if not every band has one, whether it's concious on their part or not (and I would argue that both Weezer and GC made concious efforts to have a certain image)

[theguy77]

I stated that I didn't know anything about the scene then, lol. But thanks for reading my whole post ;)

so, you're basically gathering how you feel about Good Charlotte on how they dress? You know Weezer did have, and still has an image too, right? Arguing about image is stupid, because nearly every, if not every band has one, whether it's concious on their part or not (and I would argue that both Weezer and GC made concious efforts to have a certain image)

i did admit in the first post that weezer did have the nerd-rock image but i feel that GC's image is way more over the top and unnecessary. although i could be wrong, as weezer's "image" did spill over into their songwriting topics at times, and while it's respectable that it's an image of self-mockery and not self-indulgence, GC may be doing the same thing considering they dress like they play death metal and then write some of the poppiest music around. still though the image was just one example as to why a band from the 90s scene should not be compared to a band from the 00s scene who gets more hate, becuase the reasons the latter gets more hate are obvious.

[Burn That Shit]

False. Coldplay was on there once.

Did they fuck a socialite?

[stealthpeng]

i did admit in the first post that weezer did have the nerd-rock image but i feel that GC's image is way more over the top and unnecessary. although i could be wrong, as weezer's "image" did spill over into their songwriting topics at times, and while it's respectable that it's an image of self-mockery and not self-indulgence, GC may be doing the same thing considering they dress like they play death metal and then write some of the poppiest music around. still though the image was just one example as to why a band from the 90s scene should not be compared to a band from the 00s scene who gets more hate, becuase the reasons the latter gets more hate are obvious.

My argument is that image isn't a good reason to hate a band, thus "unnecessary" hate. However, I think GC is hated more because of their success than their image. People also don't like "Chronicles" which hasn't been explained to me besides the fact that it was 'darker' than their previous material. And my opinion is that darker isn't seen as worse in more well-liked bands in the scene, such as Weezer, Blink, and Anberlin, so I don't know why it is seen as worse for GC.

[theguy77]

My argument is that image isn't a good reason to hate a band, thus "unnecessary" hate. However, I think GC is hated more because of their success than their image. People also don't like "Chronicles" which hasn't been explained to me besides the fact that it was 'darker' than their previous material. And my opinion is that darker isn't seen as worse in more well-liked bands in the scene, such as Weezer, Blink, and Anberlin, so I don't know why it is seen as worse for GC.

i mean, if you're talking about 14 year olds who think "oh nonconformism is cool lolz", which constitutes probably over half of GC's fanbase, then thats a valid theory. but no music listener who is even slightly mature in their perspective of music is going to hate on a band just becuase they're popular. hell blink 182 are stylistically similar but they're probably the biggest pop-punk band on the market and you dont see very many fans of that music style hating on their popularity. if you were to open your eyes and see the ACTUAL reasons for why people have legitimate hate for that band, i.e. a lot of people think they suck at making the music they make, then the "hate" wouldnt seem so unnecessary to you.

[TheHoldSteady]

hell yeah played that sooooo much
Hell, me too.

[live.]

I never had anything against Metro Station until Trace Cyrus started becoming the biggest douche bag this side of Jeffree Star.

[softhands]

Only Good Charlotte song I like.
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[Use me!]

I never had anything against Metro Station until Trace Cyrus started becoming the biggest douche bag this side of Jeffree Star.
I didn't have anything against Metro Station until I heard Kelsey. And it sounded like the least sincere song ever written.

[kevinrocks409]

So far every band posted sucks and deserves the hate they get.

[UnderMyDreams]

i dont speak for everyone but i speak for a lot of people when i say it's because:

1) these bands are fronted by awfully annoying vocalists who sing their vowels out in such a way that the consonants are barely audible sometimes, constituting what some people consider to be a really whiney sound;
2) these bands lyrically use the same old bad metaphors as every other scene band (my own band is currently guilty of this) or otherwise write in ways that are so straightforward they lack a sense of style or anything that resembles an attempt at something artistic;
3) these bands structure every other part of their songwriting for the sole purpose of fitting the vocal melody, which isn't even that catchy or definitive in the first place, hence the phrase "boy bands with guitars", as their writing barely consists of anything aside from simple 3- or 4-chord guitar patterns, basslines that dont form any melody but simply follow the power chords, and predictable drumbeats with little variance from the pop-punk energy template;
4) and the fact that they're so much a product of scene trends in songwriting that you can predict what's going to happen next in the song at every 5 second interval.

and that was simply talking about the music, not even touching any negative bias i or others may have toward the band based on irrelevant things such as their marketing tactics.

I personally don't find Alex annoying at all, but I know how everyone finds JCook annoying, and I'll admit at times he can be.

I always thought ATL at least had pretty decent lyrics, especially with their older stuff... And I think it's pretty catchy. As far as the bass lines follow the power chords, even Blink182 did that!

I always feel as though at least ATL is different.

[theguy77]

I personally don't find Alex annoying at all, but I know how everyone finds JCook annoying, and I'll admit at times he can be.

I always thought ATL at least had pretty decent lyrics, especially with their older stuff... And I think it's pretty catchy. As far as the bass lines follow the power chords, even Blink182 did that!

I always feel as though at least ATL is different.

haha a lot of pop-punk bands do that, but thats just one of many things.

overall, to each his own, i just know all time low came out at a time when i was still really big on pop-punk and even some of my friends liked them, but i heard their EP put up or shut up and just was not impressed at all, i just felt like it was predictable, throwaway music. :shrug:

[drewziph]

I'm going to start by naming a band that will make many groan, and many others secretly smile, but then groan.

Good Charlotte. For the life of me, I've never understood why this band gets the hate that it does. Even before their third album, The Chronicles of Life and Death, was released, this band already got a lot of hate. To me, they've always seemed honest lyrically, and they put out solid radio-friendly pop-punk. APers in general go crazy for solid pop-punk. So, what's the problem? You could point to Chronicles, as it verged into darker, more emo territory... however, I believe that the band was just being honest. People don't hate Weezer for Pinkerton. They venerate the band for that album, in fact. So, why Chronicles has so much hate is beyond me. As far as Good Morning Revival, that was a bit of a mixed bag for me, however, I don't think that the band wasn't being honest to where they were. I don't think they were just riding the dance-synth train (although they may have been a little bit). Afterall, Joel's interests expanded to include deejaying, so it's expected that the dance scene would influence the band's style.

So, why does this band grind your gears? What bands do you think get undeserved hate by the scene?
minus 1,000,000,000 scene points for using the word scene twice in the same sentence.

Oh wait...

[Use me!]

I always feel as though at least ATL is different.
To me, So Wrong, It's Right sounded like the same song 11 times with Remembering Sunday as an interlude.

[UnderMyDreams]

haha a lot of pop-punk bands do that, but thats just one of many things.

overall, to each his own, i just know all time low came out at a time when i was still really big on pop-punk and even some of my friends liked them, but i heard their EP put up or shut up and just was not impressed at all, i just felt like it was predictable, throwaway music. :shrug:

Well... what bands like that would you compare them to?

[stealthpeng]

nobody has really addressed why GC deserves the hate they get. Just saying you don't like them, or you outgrew them, or they suck doesn't really get to the core of why you feel the way you do. I personally think Tom DeLonge has acted like a bigger douche than any of GC's members, yet everyone still loves on Blink. So what is it?

and... the point of this topic--other bands you feel get unessary hate... and why?

maybe these are just the wrong forums to post something like this. Only one or two people that have replied have actually put effort into their response as to why a particular band deserves the hate it receives.

[theguy77]

Well... what bands like that would you compare them to?

brand new's first two records, taking back sunday's first two records, TTTYG and FUCT from fall out boy, the early november, stuff like that. i feel like those bands wrote that style better than all time low and in a way that's more distinct and less predictable than all time low.

[theguy77]

nobody has really addressed why GC deserves the hate they get. Just saying you don't like them, or you outgrew them, or they suck doesn't really get to the core of why you feel the way you do. I personally think Tom DeLonge has acted like a bigger douche than any of GC's members, yet everyone still loves on Blink. So what is it?

and... the point of this topic--other bands you feel get unessary hate... and why?

maybe these are just the wrong forums to post something like this. Only one or two people that have replied have actually put effort into their response as to why a particular band deserves the hate it receives.

i told you why GC deserves the hate they get, its for simple reasons really, you just arent satisfied with those reasons and are disregarding them because you're trying to prove a point.

[stealthpeng]

i told you why GC deserves the hate they get, its for simple reasons really, you just arent satisfied with those reasons and are disregarding them because you're trying to prove a point.

I wasn't speaking of you specifically, because I think you're actually aiming for intelligent discussion (one of the few people in this thread that are).

[UnderMyDreams]

nobody has really addressed why GC deserves the hate they get.

Tom got the hate not in BLINK, where he realllllllyyyy didn't act like a douche, but he got it in AvA, when he acted like one. Personally, the Tom in AvA on drugs was definitely not really my favorite but I understand why he acted the way he did. Once he got off those pain killers he came like... back to life.

(I know this is long, but it's going to describe alot! Give it a chance! haha)

Now, I think GC act worse, they just completly changed from what they were and just in my opinion COMPLETLY sold out. They changed what they looked like, changed their sound completly.

"This song is dedicated to every kid who ever got picked last in gym class, to every kid who never had a date to no school dance,To every one who's ever been called a freak"
-Little Things, Good Charlotte

In 8th grade before I was rocking their first CD all over the place. My friend had it in his old school CD player and I listened to it and thought it was sick. "Little Things" and "The Click" were absolutely spectacular in my 8th grade mind, and still I listen to that CD every once in a while. My friends and I were never in that "popular" or "jock" group, and we were picked on pretty much everyday. "Little Things" pretty much said "Fuck you, we're better than this bull shit and now we beat you," and that music video was so cool. "The Click" always got me with the lyrics "They used to call us names Now they want our autographs." I remember learning that intro on my guitar when I first started playing and I just felt so awesome. It just told so much about them, I felt like I knew them... They revealed themselves and what then went through from in school to their dad just walking out on them... I connected to that(not my dad walking out, but being the loser in school) The CD really reminds me of the times I had in lunch or at my buddies houses five years ago.

Young and the Hopeless I always thought was pretty good as well, and I heard some songs on there before I even had the first album. My cousin made me a mix and threw "The Anthem", "Young and the Hopeless", and "Movin' On" on it... So I knew those songs pretty well, and loved them. Listening to that whole CD later I always thought was pretty solid as well. The Anthem was rocking and catchy and I loved it. "Do you want to be another trend?" Or "I don't wanna be you" from "The Anthem" always got to me right. It always cheered me up when I was feeling down. I felt "The Young And The Hopeless" was just a good song that described how I felt so many times, and "Movin On" what they yell in the chorus was sick.

So, a year or two later Chronicles of Life and Death came out. My brother was a big fan of Good Charlotte at that point, and me being a poor 9th(or 10th grader, whatever it was) figured I could just burn it. Before he bought it all I had heard was "Predictable" and I really liked it. The way they used the new instruments I thought sounded so good... I had high expectations for the CD. When I first heard the title track, I thought it was decent... But after that absolutely NOTHING else stood out on the whole CD.

Three years later Good Morning Revival came into existence I had pretty much lost all interest in the band. But I thought I would give it a try... There was not one song on that CD that stood out. They all looked completely different and I felt like they lost everything. They looked like your stereotype emo kids. The CD left out almost all of the Pop Punk part I loved about them, and they had this shitty non-catchy-synth-dance-crap-music. "Keep Your Hands Off My Girl" was just so pathetic I couldn't believe that it was the same band that made my 8th grade music life with "Little Things" and "The Click." I just can't listen to this CD or look at them how they are now, it isn't the same guys I felt like knew me way back when.

The Greatest Remixes or whatever just made me pretty much cry. When I heard they were doing that I thought at first it might be cool and shed some new light into those songs I loved on the first CD. Instead it ruined all of those songs, and anyone who didn't know of their first two CD's have no idea the real heart that was felt in those songs. I love Patrick Stump, but "Little Things" remix was horrible. It completely took out the teen anxt I loved about that song. It ruined the whole teen anxt get-in-your-face feeling that I loved about it. They took "Waldorf Worldwide" and made "Los Angeles World Wide." And that song was all about their hometown, and a stand out from their first album. The lyrics of their hometown and starting out were changed to sound like they sold out. The lyrics were completely changed from feeling like it was just a cool band starting out to a sell out band bragging saying "Hey now we have money! We win!" From their first album I would never have guessed that they would change to that...(Look up and compare the lyrics for yourself... Its so bad I just wont post it.) I felt like they just completely sold out at this point. I felt like they forgot about everyone like me that they addressed in "Little Things" and "Waldorf Worldwide." The band that had once stuck up for the kids like me, and seemed to care, I felt like had just stopped existing and had been replaced with guys who traded all that in, and forgot all about their past and the way those first lyrics impacted people, and got some fame.

However, they say their new CD will go back to their routes and "sound like blink-182." I'll give them another chance, and if they can do it and it goes back to their first album I'll take it and be psyched that bands like this are going back to the days when they were good... Plus it will have that sort of sentiment attached to it.

And that's just based off of their music... I just typed it up so quick so I know there's grammatical errors and may make sense in a few places, but it is what it is... MAN i should be a CD reviewer haha.

[circatbs]

Here we go...

Chiodos
Alesana
The Devil Wears Prada
From First To Last
Attack Attack!
Dance Gavin Dance
The rest of the Rise Records roster, which just so happens to be my favorite label.

Now, make me wish I never posted this, motherfuckers.

[11:11]

Did they fuck a socialite?
No. Perez just talked about the album leak and how it was a good album.

[11:11]

Here we go...

Chiodos
Alesana
The Devil Wears Prada
From First To Last
Attack Attack!
Dance Gavin Dance
The rest of the Rise Records roster, which just so happens to be my favorite label.

Now, make me wish I never posted this, motherfuckers.
I can understand the unbolded ones, but really? Alesana? Really?

[Bruised26]

Chiodos. (They do get a lot of hate, but atleast they have a good sized fan base. )
Panic At the Disco (They are so much better than a lot of the other crappy bands out there, yet still get bashed all the time)
VersaEmerge
Silverstein
Red Jumpsuit Apparatus
Linkin Park
Family Force Five

[Minus-The-Act]

Here we go...

Chiodos
Alesana
The Devil Wears Prada
From First To Last
Attack Attack!
Dance Gavin Dance
The rest of the Rise Records roster, which just so happens to be my favorite label.

Now, make me wish I never posted this, motherfuckers.
AA! is the only good band on that list.
And I don't know how they get hated on really. They aren't generic. They might be one of the first post-hardcore/electronica bands to get on a label (SEA is metalcore/electronica)
But Alesana deserves to be hated, one of the guys wear eyeliner for heaven sakes (a former memeber of FFTL used to also, and is this a rumor or is Sonny Moore really gay?).

[duhpunk]

Here we go...

Chiodos
Alesana
The Devil Wears Prada
From First To Last
Attack Attack!
Dance Gavin Dance
The rest of the Rise Records roster, which just so happens to be my favorite label.

Now, make me wish I never posted this, motherfuckers.

All of these deserve the hate they get. In fact, they deserve more.

[stealthpeng]

Tom got the hate not in BLINK, where he realllllllyyyy didn't act like a douche, but he got it in AvA, when he acted like one. Personally, the Tom in AvA on drugs was definitely not really my favorite but I understand why he acted the way he did. Once he got off those pain killers he came like... back to life.

(I know this is long, but it's going to describe alot! Give it a chance! haha)

Now, I think GC act worse, they just completly changed from what they were and just in my opinion COMPLETLY sold out. They changed what they looked like, changed their sound completly.

"This song is dedicated to every kid who ever got picked last in gym class, to every kid who never had a date to no school dance,To every one who's ever been called a freak"
-Little Things, Good Charlotte

In 8th grade before I was rocking their first CD all over the place. My friend had it in his old school CD player and I listened to it and thought it was sick. "Little Things" and "The Click" were absolutely spectacular in my 8th grade mind, and still I listen to that CD every once in a while. My friends and I were never in that "popular" or "jock" group, and we were picked on pretty much everyday. "Little Things" pretty much said "Fuck you, we're better than this bull shit and now we beat you," and that music video was so cool. "The Click" always got me with the lyrics "They used to call us names Now they want our autographs." I remember learning that intro on my guitar when I first started playing and I just felt so awesome. It just told so much about them, I felt like I knew them... They revealed themselves and what then went through from in school to their dad just walking out on them... I connected to that(not my dad walking out, but being the loser in school) The CD really reminds me of the times I had in lunch or at my buddies houses five years ago.

Young and the Hopeless I always thought was pretty good as well, and I heard some songs on there before I even had the first album. My cousin made me a mix and threw "The Anthem", "Young and the Hopeless", and "Movin' On" on it... So I knew those songs pretty well, and loved them. Listening to that whole CD later I always thought was pretty solid as well. The Anthem was rocking and catchy and I loved it. "Do you want to be another trend?" Or "I don't wanna be you" from "The Anthem" always got to me right. It always cheered me up when I was feeling down. I felt "The Young And The Hopeless" was just a good song that described how I felt so many times, and "Movin On" what they yell in the chorus was sick.

So, a year or two later Chronicles of Life and Death came out. My brother was a big fan of Good Charlotte at that point, and me being a poor 9th(or 10th grader, whatever it was) figured I could just burn it. Before he bought it all I had heard was "Predictable" and I really liked it. The way they used the new instruments I thought sounded so good... I had high expectations for the CD. When I first heard the title track, I thought it was decent... But after that absolutely NOTHING else stood out on the whole CD.

Three years later Good Morning Revival came into existence I had pretty much lost all interest in the band. But I thought I would give it a try... There was not one song on that CD that stood out. They all looked completely different and I felt like they lost everything. They looked like your stereotype emo kids. The CD left out almost all of the Pop Punk part I loved about them, and they had this shitty non-catchy-synth-dance-crap-music. "Keep Your Hands Off My Girl" was just so pathetic I couldn't believe that it was the same band that made my 8th grade music life with "Little Things" and "The Click." I just can't listen to this CD or look at them how they are now, it isn't the same guys I felt like knew me way back when.

The Greatest Remixes or whatever just made me pretty much cry. When I heard they were doing that I thought at first it might be cool and shed some new light into those songs I loved on the first CD. Instead it ruined all of those songs, and anyone who didn't know of their first two CD's have no idea the real heart that was felt in those songs. I love Patrick Stump, but "Little Things" remix was horrible. It completely took out the teen anxt I loved about that song. It ruined the whole teen anxt get-in-your-face feeling that I loved about it. They took "Waldorf Worldwide" and made "Los Angeles World Wide." And that song was all about their hometown, and a stand out from their first album. The lyrics of their hometown and starting out were changed to sound like they sold out. The lyrics were completely changed from feeling like it was just a cool band starting out to a sell out band bragging saying "Hey now we have money! We win!" From their first album I would never have guessed that they would change to that...(Look up and compare the lyrics for yourself... Its so bad I just wont post it.) I felt like they just completely sold out at this point. I felt like they forgot about everyone like me that they addressed in "Little Things" and "Waldorf Worldwide." The band that had once stuck up for the kids like me, and seemed to care, I felt like had just stopped existing and had been replaced with guys who traded all that in, and forgot all about their past and the way those first lyrics impacted people, and got some fame.

However, they say their new CD will go back to their routes and "sound like blink-182." I'll give them another chance, and if they can do it and it goes back to their first album I'll take it and be psyched that bands like this are going back to the days when they were good... Plus it will have that sort of sentiment attached to it.

And that's just based off of their music... I just typed it up so quick so I know there's grammatical errors and may make sense in a few places, but it is what it is... MAN i should be a CD reviewer haha.

I appreciate your very long post! I think if you go back to Chronicles now, 5 years after its release, you might be able to appreciate it more. It does keep some themes from the past records, but, you're right when you say it drops some of the teen-angst rock. I know that I can appreciate the lyrics and mindset of Chronicles a lot more now than I could when I first heard it (although I did like it then too). I don't think the sound that Chronicles is shooting for is hypocritcal or the band just jumping on a bandwagon, because they were shooting for that sound in Young and the Hopeless (at least they were heading in that direction).

I DO think that GC jumped the shark a bit with GMR, however. I enjoy the record, but it lost most of the personal lyrics that made their previous 3 records so good. It traded it for more, "we're all in this together guys!" kind of lyrics... which are okay for a couple songs, but not a majority of the record. And I'm not a huge huge fan of dance rock... although I don't think that GC was just trying to jump on the bandwagon here either... Joel had been doing a bit of dee jaying, so that was just the scene he was into at the time.

As far as their changing looks from crazy haired punk kids to a more sedated 'emo' look... I don't really mind that. It just has to do with the places they were in their lives at the time (specifically Joel and Benji I think). I think their 'look' will continue to be more sedated, just because they're older now.. they aren't the teenage kids who wrote self-titled and young and the hopeless

I'm glad to see you actually give each release a chance though... because I think this band actually deserves one!

as far as the Remixes go, I didn't even bother.

[UnderMyDreams]

I appreciate your very long post! I think if you go back to Chronicles now, 5 years after its release, you might be able to appreciate it more. It does keep some themes from the past records, but, you're right when you say it drops some of the teen-angst rock. I know that I can appreciate the lyrics and mindset of Chronicles a lot more now than I could when I first heard it (although I did like it then too). I don't think the sound that Chronicles is shooting for is hypocritcal or the band just jumping on a bandwagon, because they were shooting for that sound in Young and the Hopeless (at least they were heading in that direction).

I DO think that GC jumped the shark a bit with GMR, however. I enjoy the record, but it lost most of the personal lyrics that made their previous 3 records so good. It traded it for more, "we're all in this together guys!" kind of lyrics... which are okay for a couple songs, but not a majority of the record. And I'm not a huge huge fan of dance rock... although I don't think that GC was just trying to jump on the bandwagon here either... Joel had been doing a bit of dee jaying, so that was just the scene he was into at the time.

As far as their changing looks from crazy haired punk kids to a more sedated 'emo' look... I don't really mind that. It just has to do with the places they were in their lives at the time (specifically Joel and Benji I think). I think their 'look' will continue to be more sedated, just because they're older now.. they aren't the teenage kids who wrote self-titled and young and the hopeless

I'm glad to see you actually give each release a chance though... because I think this band actually deserves one!

as far as the Remixes go, I didn't even bother.

haha thanks... I have listened to Chronicles again, it just doesn't really appeal to me... It all just sounds... bland. Nothing really stands out to me, the only ones I ever end up really remembering are Chronicles of Life and Death and Predictable... Everything else just doesn't work for me. And then GMR just leaves nothing stuck in my head, nothing is really rememberable (lol), nothing sticks out as being very good... It's like crappy generic dance music that doesn't work at all... I can't stand listening to it.

Don't listen to the remixes. Ever. Like i said, chaning Waldorf just destroys that CD more than anything else... If you read the lyrics it honestly sounds like they say "This one time, we were poor and crap. But we sold out and said bye bye to our real music and now we're famous haha! and we have money! and we can buy whatever we want and don't need to even remember all of that! WE'RE IN LA NOW!"

Its just. Sad.

[The Personist]

Here we go...

Chiodos
Alesana
The Devil Wears Prada
From First To Last
Attack Attack!
Dance Gavin Dance
The rest of the Rise Records roster, which just so happens to be my favorite label.

Now, make me wish I never posted this, motherfuckers.


I agree with the bolded, though only tenuously for TDWP. They're really generic, I just like them more than other generic bands.

Seriously, Alesana is so so so so so trashy.

FFTL is trite and stupid since their self-titled shitfest.

Attack Attack! is literally a joke.

DGD is basically Chiodos without the excellence.

[phil19]

I'm going to start by naming a band that will make many groan, and many others secretly smile, but then groan.

Good Charlotte. For the life of me, I've never understood why this band gets the hate that it does. Even before their third album, The Chronicles of Life and Death, was released, this band already got a lot of hate. To me, they've always seemed honest lyrically, and they put out solid radio-friendly pop-punk. APers in general go crazy for solid pop-punk. So, what's the problem? You could point to Chronicles, as it verged into darker, more emo territory... however, I believe that the band was just being honest. People don't hate Weezer for Pinkerton. They venerate the band for that album, in fact. So, why Chronicles has so much hate is beyond me. As far as Good Morning Revival, that was a bit of a mixed bag for me, however, I don't think that the band wasn't being honest to where they were. I don't think they were just riding the dance-synth train (although they may have been a little bit). Afterall, Joel's interests expanded to include deejaying, so it's expected that the dance scene would influence the band's style.

So, why does this band grind your gears? What bands do you think get undeserved hate by the scene?

the young and the hopeless is a great pop punk album i think.

chiodos

edit: and I'm not a fan.

i saw these guys play yesturday and it was the first time id ever heard their music. they were really good live and i liked what they were playing. so i dont know why they'd be getting hated on. they're alot better than alot of other bands out there

[Use me!]

I don't know how else to address this than to break it down. Almost this whole entire thing is subjective, so we could argue all day about whether or not Good Charlotte is a good band, but I'm never going to change your mind and you're never going to change mine.
Good Charlotte. For the life of me, I've never understood why this band gets the hate that it does.
Subjective. Every band gets criticism. The larger an artist's fan base, the more criticism the artist is going to get. Look at Brand New, Say Anything, and Fall Out Boy. All three of these bands are huge on this website, and because of their popularity, there is naturally a plethora of haters.
Even before their third album, The Chronicles of Life and Death, was released, this band already got a lot of hate.
Objective. They got popular on MTV after The Young And The Hopeless. This album was sold to break-shit teenagers who watched Jackass on MTV, and not skeptics and critics who reside in message boards, where the "hating" takes place.
To me, they've always seemed honest lyrically, and they put out solid radio-friendly pop-punk. APers in general go crazy for solid pop-punk. So, what's the problem? You could point to Chronicles, as it verged into darker, more emo territory... however, I believe that the band was just being honest.
Subjective. Chronicles hit #3 on Billboard. It received a lot of attention and a lot of criticism. Also, show me a big time pop-punk band who doesn't get hated on this website. I'm not sure why you think GC is anything different than any other band. The reality is this: bands who get popular, especially when they get popular through MTV, receive tons of criticism. But they also have way more fans than haters. I don't understand why you disassociate Good Charlotte from reality.
People don't hate Weezer for Pinkerton. They venerate the band for that album, in fact. So, why Chronicles has so much hate is beyond me.
Subjective. The main difference here is everything. Weezer's Pinkerton wasn't sold to the same scene, it didn't get the same amount of hype, it wasn't released in the same decade, and it isn't the same style of music.
As far as Good Morning Revival, that was a bit of a mixed bag for me, however, I don't think that the band wasn't being honest to where they were. I don't think they were just riding the dance-synth train (although they may have been a little bit). Afterall, Joel's interests expanded to include deejaying, so it's expected that the dance scene would influence the band's style.
Subjective/Objective. You keep saying that the band is honest to who they are. Which is fine. If a hardcore band is honest by using whistles as their primary form of percussion, then they should do it. But that doesn't mean people should like them.

Personally, I think that GMR is the biggest piece of garbage I've ever forced myself through and I don't think that it is honest. To me, they completely sold out to MTV, and they are seeing the reprocussions of it on these message boards. When Jackass was the big thing on MTV, they wrote music directed towards teenagers. When emo took over, they made an album directed towards emos. Then, when MTV switched it's gears to this glam hip hop bullshit, Good Charlotte made a sythesized dance rock album. Good Charlotte is selling tons of records, which is clearly their only intention. So, to me, this band deserves all of the criticism they get and then some.

[Blueskyburning]

what scene

[fadedmemories]

I can understand the unbolded ones, but really? Alesana? Really?
Agreed

DGD is basically Chiodos without the excellence.
Word

[fadedmemories]

Fall Out Boy
All Time Low
Taking Back Sunday
Paramore
Mayday Parade
Chiodos

[Duexy]

fuck whatever scene you're talking about.

[Bruycker]

As Cities Burn, Whem Come Now Sleep was released people were talking absolute ridiculous shit about it.
"Sounds just like any other Solid State band" "lame breakdowns"
How in the hell was that even possible?
All the other bands posted here deserve the shit.

[xJesusFreakx]

As Cities Burn, Whem Come Now Sleep was released people were talking absolute ridiculous shit about it.
"Sounds just like any other Solid State band" "lame breakdowns"
How in the hell was that even possible?
All the other bands posted here deserve the shit.

There are breakdowns...? If people were really saying that, then I'm glad I missed it. I mean, you might as well be talking about the "lame breakdowns" on The Alchemy Index or something.

[batmannj]

Tom got the hate not in BLINK, where he realllllllyyyy didn't act like a douche, but he got it in AvA, when he acted like one. Personally, the Tom in AvA on drugs was definitely not really my favorite but I understand why he acted the way he did. Once he got off those pain killers he came like... back to life.

(I know this is long, but it's going to describe alot! Give it a chance! haha)

Now, I think GC act worse, they just completly changed from what they were and just in my opinion COMPLETLY sold out. They changed what they looked like, changed their sound completly.

"This song is dedicated to every kid who ever got picked last in gym class, to every kid who never had a date to no school dance,To every one who's ever been called a freak"
-Little Things, Good Charlotte

In 8th grade before I was rocking their first CD all over the place. My friend had it in his old school CD player and I listened to it and thought it was sick. "Little Things" and "The Click" were absolutely spectacular in my 8th grade mind, and still I listen to that CD every once in a while. My friends and I were never in that "popular" or "jock" group, and we were picked on pretty much everyday. "Little Things" pretty much said "Fuck you, we're better than this bull shit and now we beat you," and that music video was so cool. "The Click" always got me with the lyrics "They used to call us names Now they want our autographs." I remember learning that intro on my guitar when I first started playing and I just felt so awesome. It just told so much about them, I felt like I knew them... They revealed themselves and what then went through from in school to their dad just walking out on them... I connected to that(not my dad walking out, but being the loser in school) The CD really reminds me of the times I had in lunch or at my buddies houses five years ago.

Young and the Hopeless I always thought was pretty good as well, and I heard some songs on there before I even had the first album. My cousin made me a mix and threw "The Anthem", "Young and the Hopeless", and "Movin' On" on it... So I knew those songs pretty well, and loved them. Listening to that whole CD later I always thought was pretty solid as well. The Anthem was rocking and catchy and I loved it. "Do you want to be another trend?" Or "I don't wanna be you" from "The Anthem" always got to me right. It always cheered me up when I was feeling down. I felt "The Young And The Hopeless" was just a good song that described how I felt so many times, and "Movin On" what they yell in the chorus was sick.

So, a year or two later Chronicles of Life and Death came out. My brother was a big fan of Good Charlotte at that point, and me being a poor 9th(or 10th grader, whatever it was) figured I could just burn it. Before he bought it all I had heard was "Predictable" and I really liked it. The way they used the new instruments I thought sounded so good... I had high expectations for the CD. When I first heard the title track, I thought it was decent... But after that absolutely NOTHING else stood out on the whole CD.

Three years later Good Morning Revival came into existence I had pretty much lost all interest in the band. But I thought I would give it a try... There was not one song on that CD that stood out. They all looked completely different and I felt like they lost everything. They looked like your stereotype emo kids. The CD left out almost all of the Pop Punk part I loved about them, and they had this shitty non-catchy-synth-dance-crap-music. "Keep Your Hands Off My Girl" was just so pathetic I couldn't believe that it was the same band that made my 8th grade music life with "Little Things" and "The Click." I just can't listen to this CD or look at them how they are now, it isn't the same guys I felt like knew me way back when.

The Greatest Remixes or whatever just made me pretty much cry. When I heard they were doing that I thought at first it might be cool and shed some new light into those songs I loved on the first CD. Instead it ruined all of those songs, and anyone who didn't know of their first two CD's have no idea the real heart that was felt in those songs. I love Patrick Stump, but "Little Things" remix was horrible. It completely took out the teen anxt I loved about that song. It ruined the whole teen anxt get-in-your-face feeling that I loved about it. They took "Waldorf Worldwide" and made "Los Angeles World Wide." And that song was all about their hometown, and a stand out from their first album. The lyrics of their hometown and starting out were changed to sound like they sold out. The lyrics were completely changed from feeling like it was just a cool band starting out to a sell out band bragging saying "Hey now we have money! We win!" From their first album I would never have guessed that they would change to that...(Look up and compare the lyrics for yourself... Its so bad I just wont post it.) I felt like they just completely sold out at this point. I felt like they forgot about everyone like me that they addressed in "Little Things" and "Waldorf Worldwide." The band that had once stuck up for the kids like me, and seemed to care, I felt like had just stopped existing and had been replaced with guys who traded all that in, and forgot all about their past and the way those first lyrics impacted people, and got some fame.

However, they say their new CD will go back to their routes and "sound like blink-182." I'll give them another chance, and if they can do it and it goes back to their first album I'll take it and be psyched that bands like this are going back to the days when they were good... Plus it will have that sort of sentiment attached to it.

And that's just based off of their music... I just typed it up so quick so I know there's grammatical errors and may make sense in a few places, but it is what it is... MAN i should be a CD reviewer haha.
/novel

[batmannj]

There are breakdowns...? If people were really saying that, then I'm glad I missed it. I mean, you might as well be talking about the "lame breakdowns" on The Alchemy Index or something.

lol I think that some people (and not just on this site) hear a 30 second clip of a song and think they know what the bands sound like. To be honest, you have to listen to multiple songs. Whoever said something about lame breakdowns on Come Now Sleep wins the lol of the year award haha.

[igetmikey]

Brokencyde.
... wait no, they deserve it.

[tottivillarossi]

Bmth...

[Paulb-182]

Good Charlotte are fucking great.

their first album is awful i think, but the next three all have enjoyable tracks on them

[Klatzke]

Fall Out Boy
Chiodos
The Devil Wears Prada
Mayday Parade
All Time Low
All Time Low gets undeserved hate? I missed that.

The only reason I don't really dig them is because of their attitudes when I saw them live.

[fly_guy]

Good Charlotte - The Young And Hopeless FTW! When I was really little, I would play that album and think I was punx. Man, those were the days

I've never scene anything but praise for ATL! LOLZ!

[igetmikey]

Pierce The Veil, they get a lot of hate i can understand some of it.
But as musicians theyre quite phenominal and have a very original sound, atleast in my opinion.

[circatbs]

I agree with the bolded, though only tenuously for TDWP. They're really generic, I just like them more than other generic bands.

Seriously, Alesana is so so so so so trashy.

FFTL is trite and stupid since their self-titled shitfest.

Attack Attack! is literally a joke.

DGD is basically Chiodos without the excellence.

I love both DGD and Chiodos, but DGD is easily five times more talented than Chiodos. Yes, I'm serious.

[circatbs]

AA! is the only good band on that list.
And I don't know how they get hated on really. They aren't generic. They might be one of the first post-hardcore/electronica bands to get on a label (SEA is metalcore/electronica)
But Alesana deserves to be hated, one of the guys wear eyeliner for heaven sakes (a former memeber of FFTL used to also, and is this a rumor or is Sonny Moore really gay?).

I don't understand how you can like AA! but dislike the rest. And yes, even though I like them, they are generic.

[Yes. And?]

I never had anything against Metro Station until Trace Cyrus started becoming the biggest douche bag this side of Jeffree Star.
They're reallyreallyreally bad though. All the bands I've seen posted deserve whatever they get. :shrug:

[live.]

I mean they did get a pretty decent review here a year and a half ago...

[Yes. And?]

By who?

[RamInGoreville]

undeserved(?)

da fuck.

[Yes. And?]

Meh, nevermind.

[fadedmemories]

I've never scene anything but praise for ATL! LOLZ!
What a lame attempt at being funny.
I love both DGD and Chiodos, but DGD is easily five times more talented than Chiodos. Yes, I'm serious.
How could this be Adam?

[stayillogical]

Chiodos. Backed hard.

[tottivillarossi]

I love both DGD and Chiodos, but DGD is easily five times more talented than Chiodos. Yes, I'm serious.
You could have made a half-decent argument for that when they had Johnny Craig.


Don't DGD have like 2 members left lol? They all keep leaving

[fadedmemories]

Don't DGD have like 2 members left lol? They all keep leaving
No one wants to be associated with them.

[Klatzke]

You could have made a half-decent argument for that when they had Johnny Craig.


Don't DGD have like 2 members left lol? They all keep leaving
Kurt is a more talented vocalist than Owens, imo. And their guitarists completely blow Chiodos out of the water, hands down.

[tottivillarossi]

Kurt is a more talented vocalist than Owens, imo. And their guitarists completely blow Chiodos out of the water, hands down.
MENTIROSO.



DBM was a very good album, but the vocals on TDSA are incredibly average.

[Klatzke]

MENTIROSO.



DBM was a very good album, but the vocals on TDSA are incredibly average.
I wouldn't say that but it's a matter of opinion. Personally, I don't think Owens is anything special at all.

[Charles777]

Fall Out Boy
All Time Low
Taking Back Sunday
Paramore
Mayday Parade
Chiodos
I don't really see TBS get a lot of shit.

[UnderMyDreams]

I don't really see TBS get a lot of shit.

I thought everyone here liked them... Except that new song.

[tottivillarossi]

I thought everyone here liked them... Except that new song.
What new song is this?

[Bruycker]

There are breakdowns...? If people were really saying that, then I'm glad I missed it. I mean, you might as well be talking about the "lame breakdowns" on The Alchemy Index or something.

I wasn't very clear. there are no breakdowns, but people were talking shit like that because they heard some parts of Son I loved you...

[circatbs]

What a lame attempt at being funny.

How could this be Adam?

You could have made a half-decent argument for that when they had Johnny Craig.


Don't DGD have like 2 members left lol? They all keep leaving

No one wants to be associated with them.

Well...

Kurt is a more talented vocalist than Owens, imo. And their guitarists completely blow Chiodos out of the water, hands down.

This is exactly what I was going to say.

[mattmatumbo]

chiodos

edit: and I'm not a fan.

qft

[RamInGoreville]

This is so stupid. How does one define "the scene"

[nkalldayyy]

a skylit drive.

[mattmatumbo]

the fall of troy is pretty well hated 'round these parts

[RamInGoreville]

the fall of troy is pretty well hated 'round these parts

Are they really? I haven't noticed.

They definitely should be more well liked then bands like A Skylit Drive and such.

[Charles777]

I thought everyone here liked them... Except that new song.
I thought the new song was badass (the good kind of badass)

[AllenLee]

the reason why FOB gets so much hate is that their mediocrity and popularity influenced an entire wave of new and equally mediocre music because alot of new bands want to copy their sound. which is generic and uninspiring music yet very catchy

[BenJovi]

Avenged Sevenfold

[tyramail]

i hate that bands get hate at all. i mean, seriously, it's unnecessary and juvenile. if you don't like a band, don't listen to them, it's really that simple.

[Klatzke]

i hate that bands get hate at all. i mean, seriously, it's unnecessary and juvenile. if you don't like a band, don't listen to them, it's really that simple.
Can't we all just get along!?

[speak easy]

avenged sevenfold is horrible!

[fly_guy]

Avenged Sevenfold

Because they suck and are horrible for music in general?

[hockeyguitar99]

You could point to Chronicles, as it verged into darker, more emo territory... however, I believe that the band was just being honest. People don't hate Weezer for Pinkerton. They venerate the band for that album, in fact. So, why Chronicles has so much hate is beyond me.

It shouldn't be. Just because they both went into more emotional territories doesn't actually connect the two or make them musically comparable. The fact is that Chronicles is a shitty record and Pinkerton isn't.

[hockeyguitar99]

i hate that bands get hate at all. i mean, seriously, it's unnecessary and juvenile. if you don't like a band, don't listen to them, it's really that simple.

Is that a Craig Owens avatar?

people only care about hate if a band they like is getting hated on.

[alexa_ATL]

avaneged sevenfold is pretty crappy, but to each his own.

i think panic at the disco get's a bad rap. i know they changed their sound around entirely from one album to the next, and it pissed people off. well, maybe not pissed off, but it made them toss around phrases like "sell outs". but that first album, it's just unlike anything i've ever heard. it's so lyrically cunning and takes some great literary notes. and brendon has such a great voice, in my opinion, and a great voice makes songs so much stronger. i just listened to that album again recently, btw. and i remembered everything i loved about it. lol

i also think that all time low sometimes gets some wrongful hatin'. thier lyrics are not all shallow and generic. some of their songs have some great lyrics. i'll admit that on so wrong it's right most of the songs were the same, but it was a fun album. and also, blink's lyrics were never had immense depth, they were fun and catchy. and everyone LOVE'S blink, and rightfullly so. both bands have undertones that are deeper in a lot of songs, you just have to search for them & interpret. (i.e. all time low's "lullabies". no generic pop lyrics or meanings here..)


and i agree with whoever said bands shouldn't get hate at all. if you don't like a band, no on cares. rave about what you love, it's much better time spent. :)

[theguy77]

This is so stupid. How does one define "the scene"

these days (since 2005) i generally define it as "shitty, gimmicky music". haha so there are pretty mcuh no exceptions to a band deserving the hate they get.

[hockeyguitar99]

I thought the new song was badass (the good kind of badass)

LOL. no, it kinda sucks balls.

[undonesweater93]

Good Charlotte definetely deserves the hate they get. I mean, could the lyrics get any cornier? Could they say filler like "Yeah, Alright, Woo hoo!" any more? Plus, why would they make a dance-y song like " I don't wanna be in love" or some shit like that if they were punk?

[theguy77]

hahaah why did you quote fly guy for that?

[Klatzke]

How about - "All Black" hhahahaha

[hockeyguitar99]

A+ thread

[circatbs]

I'd say more like A-

[JunBringer]

Good Charlotte definetely deserves the hate they get. I mean, could the lyrics get any cornier? Could they say filler like "Yeah, Alright, Woo hoo!" any more? Plus, why would they make a dance-y song like " I don't wanna be in love" or some shit like that if they were punk?

I could handle the "yeah alright" bs but they say "what", which to me is just wrong.

[stealthpeng]

It shouldn't be. Just because they both went into more emotional territories doesn't actually connect the two or make them musically comparable. The fact is that Chronicles is a shitty record and Pinkerton isn't.

lol, what, do they not teach you to back up your opinions in high school any more? And both of the albums going into dark emotive territory is the very definition of being comparable. The bands are in the same basic genre too, so that's another area where the albums should be comparable.

If you don't like pop/punk music at all, that's cool. I won't fault you for that. Give actual reasons for your hate though.

[Charles777]

LOL. no, it kinda sucks balls.
To each his own

[gcmaniac]

i get shit for my screen name "gcmaniac" but I made this account when my musical variety wasnt very extensive. But i too dont get why people hate gc so much. they honestly are not bad.

[BJW7191]

Boys Night Out. Not everything they put out could be Train Wreck. Their S/T was a solid outting, but it just so happened to follow one of the best albums of the decade.

[hockeyguitar99]

lol, what, do they not teach you to back up your opinions in high school any more? And both of the albums going into dark emotive territory is the very definition of being comparable. The bands are in the same basic genre too, so that's another area where the albums should be comparable.

If you don't like pop/punk music at all, that's cool. I won't fault you for that. Give actual reasons for your hate though.

I fucking love Pinkerton. Just because they have a darker tone doesn't make them similar. The albums sound extremely different. One is shitty, one is not. Death Cab took a darker tone with Narrow Stairs, but that doesn't make it comparable to Good Charlotte's darker album.

[JunBringer]

i get shit for my screen name "gcmaniac" but I made this account when my musical variety wasnt very extensive. But i too dont get why people hate gc so much. they honestly are not bad.

I see your point. I can't listen to the old stuff anymore but the last two albums have some decent stuff...and some not so good stuff.

[gcmaniac]

I see your point. I can't listen to the old stuff anymore but the last two albums have some decent stuff...and some not so good stuff.

EXACTLY!!!!

[JunBringer]

Get Your Hands Off My Girl is retarded, but The River and Ghost of You are good stuff.

[gcmaniac]

Get Your Hands Off My Girl is retarded, but The River and Ghost of You are good stuff.

i didnt really get where they were going with GYHOMG. but the River is a B+

[gcmaniac]

This. Today it seems like they're getting more hate than usual, well at least Pete.

I love FOB but Pete is such an attention whore... a lyrical genius but still an attention whore

[Klatzke]

Boys Night Out. Not everything they put out could be Train Wreck. Their S/T was a solid outting, but it just so happened to follow one of the best albums of the decade.

No. I've never even heard Trainwreck and I thought the S/T was a load of second-rate pop garbage. So did my friend who was into them.

I fucking love Pinkerton. Just because they have a darker tone doesn't make them similar. The albums sound extremely different. One is shitty, one is not. Death Cab took a darker tone with Narrow Stairs, but that doesn't make it comparable to Good Charlotte's darker album.

Agreed. That whole argument is dumb.

[Burn That Shit]

If every track on Trainwreck were like the intro then it would be a great album.

[kianacarly]

I love FOB but Pete is such an attention whore... a lyrical genius but still an attention whore

It's just when people give him the underserved hate I don't like. Sometimes people twist everything he says into some narcissistic thing when it's not, at least not always or when he's just joking. Every move he makes someone is calling him a douchebag for it. You just can't take him too seriously.

[stealthpeng]

I fucking love Pinkerton. Just because they have a darker tone doesn't make them similar. The albums sound extremely different. One is shitty, one is not. Death Cab took a darker tone with Narrow Stairs, but that doesn't make it comparable to Good Charlotte's darker album.

I didn't say the albums sounded the same. I said that both bands are in the same genre (radio pop rock). Just because you love one album doesn't make the other album bad. I mean, that's fine if it's your opinion, but without backing it up you're just proving my point that GC gets undeserved hate.

[Klatzke]

I didn't say the albums sounded the same. I said that both bands are in the same genre (radio pop rock). Just because you love one album doesn't make the other album bad. I mean, that's fine if it's your opinion, but without backing it up you're just proving my point that GC gets undeserved hate.
... Weezer is not radio pop rock, to start with. And no, it doesn't mean that you can compare them just because they're both "more emotional" as you claim.

I used to like GC, but I do agree that their last few albums are basically epitomizing "trend-hopping."

[BJW7191]

If every track on Trainwreck were like the intro then it would be a great album.
The intro is one of my fave songs on the cd. its a really good album though

[Use me!]

I didn't say the albums sounded the same. I said that both bands are in the same genre (radio pop rock). Just because you love one album doesn't make the other album bad. I mean, that's fine if it's your opinion, but without backing it up you're just proving my point that GC gets undeserved hate.
You clearly just made up a genre.

[theguy77]

... Weezer is not radio pop rock, to start with.

haha yeah they are. they're on the better side of that kind of music for sure but they are.

[theguy77]

If every track on Trainwreck were like the intro then it would be a great album.

I ENDORSE THIS STATEMENT

and as for the album as it is the instrumentation is all so good and creative, some of the best guitar/bass/drum arrangements in the scene period and i like how every song is different. but unfortunately the theme of the "story", as well as the overall produced sound, are both ultimately very scene haha.

[stealthpeng]

You clearly just made up a genre.

Not Really. You all are thinking of sub genres. Maybe I should have said pop radio punk? You realize that neither Weezer nor GC have done anything inherently innovative with their music, right? They're solid bands with solid pop music, but that's it. I'm not saying that in a negative way, as I think you thought I was implying. If they're not in the same genre, would you care to enlighten me as to what genre each band is in? Both are pop rock, end of story, unless you want to split hairs and go into subgenres... but even then I'm not sure that they're much different. Just because their lyrics are written differently, and songs sound different, doesn't mean they're in different genres.

[stealthpeng]

I used the word 'radio' by the way, to differentiate Weezer and GC from most bands on this site. A good portion of bands on this site are pop-punk, or pop-punk influenced, but they aren't radio friendly, or, they've at least not been popular on the radio

[hockeyguitar99]

I didn't say the albums sounded the same. I said that both bands are in the same genre (radio pop rock). Just because you love one album doesn't make the other album bad. I mean, that's fine if it's your opinion, but without backing it up you're just proving my point that GC gets undeserved hate.

First of all, they aren't the same genre, it's just not true. If you are generalizing radio pop rock, then you might as well throw Nickelback in there too. Weezer did it 8 years before Good Charlotte did it, and much better. I'm in no way criticizing Good Charlotte for their darker tone, I'm criticizing them for making terribly cliche, trendy, and generic music. Weezer did it before it was popuarl, Good Charlotte did it after, and far, far worse.

[Use me!]

I used the word 'radio' by the way, to differentiate Weezer and GC from most bands on this site. A good portion of bands on this site are pop-punk, or pop-punk influenced, but they aren't radio friendly, or, they've at least not been popular on the radio
Are you implying that rock bands who get played on the radio are in the same genre as other rock bands who get played on the radio? and are in a different genre than the bands who don't get played on the radio? In Pittsburgh, Seether and blink-182 are played on the same station. According to your logic, these bands would somehow be linked together.

[stealthpeng]

First of all, they aren't the same genre, it's just not true. If you are generalizing radio pop rock, then you might as well throw Nickelback in there too. Weezer did it 8 years before Good Charlotte did it, and much better. I'm in no way criticizing Good Charlotte for their darker tone, I'm criticizing them for making terribly cliche, trendy, and generic music. Weezer did it before it was popuarl, Good Charlotte did it after, and far, far worse.

the only thing that might be innovative about Pinkerton is the sound. The lyrics certainly are nothing new. Bands have wrote emotional songs for much longer than Weezer's been around. People claim that Pinkerton helped launched the 'emo' sub-genre... but imo that can't even be called a sub-genre. It's just a writing subject matter.
That being said, I've listened to Pinkerton around 4 times now, and it grows on me each time. It's not an easy listen, that's for sure.

Why hate a band for choosing to sound like their influences? So many bands sound similar to others, especially in the pop-punk genre, but that doesn't make the bands band necessarily. Also, being critical of a band's lack of innovation is different than giving them unnecessary hate, which a lot of people do.

[stealthpeng]

Are you implying that rock bands who get played on the radio are in the same genre as other rock bands who get played on the radio? and are in a different genre than the bands who don't get played on the radio? In Pittsburgh, Seether and blink-182 are played on the same station. According to your logic, these bands would somehow be linked together.

Seether, Nickelback, Hinder, etc... as far as I'm aware are, "Hard Rock" radio bands. Rather than having punk influences like weezer/GC/yellowcard/blink/etc.

[stealthpeng]

under a broader envelope though, they're all rock bands. I think there's enough difference between punk, hard rock, and metal to make those distinctions though

[hockeyguitar99]

Seether, Nickelback, Hinder, etc... as far as I'm aware are, "Hard Rock" radio bands. Rather than having punk influences like weezer/GC/yellowcard/blink/etc.

Lol, first off, they like to pretend to be hard rock, they're a pop rock band, don't kid yourself, and that did really refute my point at all, good dodge though.

[Use me!]

Seether, Nickelback, Hinder, etc... as far as I'm aware are, "Hard Rock" radio bands. Rather than having punk influences like weezer/GC/yellowcard/blink/etc.
Thank you for making my point. Radio pop rock is not a genre. Weezer and Good Charlotte are not in the same genre and they have no relevant similarity.

[stealthpeng]

I don't know what you classify as 'hard rock' then. b/c those are the hard rock bands of today as far as the general public is concerned

[hockeyguitar99]

the only thing that might be innovative about Pinkerton is the sound. The lyrics certainly are nothing new. Bands have wrote emotional songs for much longer than Weezer's been around. People claim that Pinkerton helped launched the 'emo' sub-genre... but imo that can't even be called a sub-genre. It's just a writing subject matter.
That being said, I've listened to Pinkerton around 4 times now, and it grows on me each time. It's not an easy listen, that's for sure.

Why hate a band for choosing to sound like their influences? So many bands sound similar to others, especially in the pop-punk genre, but that doesn't make the bands band necessarily. Also, being critical of a band's lack of innovation is different than giving them unnecessary hate, which a lot of people do.


When in the fuck did I say anything about them pioneering the emo genre. I didn't say that. You can't change the genre topic when it's convenient for you, I was referring to a poppier punk influenced sound that hadn't really gotten trendy yet. I also didn't say Good Charlotte sounded like their influences, I said that they jumped on the trend when it would help them get big, not because they wanted to, and thats what they have always done.

[stealthpeng]

you haven't made any point. you just said that Weezer and GC weren't under the same genre. You never supplied a genre for either

[hockeyguitar99]

the only thing that might be innovative about Pinkerton is the sound. The lyrics certainly are nothing new. Bands have wrote emotional songs for much longer than Weezer's been around. People claim that Pinkerton helped launched the 'emo' sub-genre... but imo that can't even be called a sub-genre. It's just a writing subject matter.
That being said, I've listened to Pinkerton around 4 times now, and it grows on me each time. It's not an easy listen, that's for sure.

Why hate a band for choosing to sound like their influences? So many bands sound similar to others, especially in the pop-punk genre, but that doesn't make the bands band necessarily. Also, being critical of a band's lack of innovation is different than giving them unnecessary hate, which a lot of people do.


When in the fuck did I say anything about them pioneering the emo genre. I didn't say that. You can't change the genre topic when it's convenient for you, I was referring to a poppier punk influenced sound that hadn't really gotten trendy yet. I also didn't say Good Charlotte sounded like their influences, I said that they jumped on the trend when it would help them get big, not because they wanted to, and thats what they have always done.

[hockeyguitar99]

you haven't made any point. you just said that Weezer and GC weren't under the same genre. You never supplied a genre for either

Pop Rock in the 90's and Pop Punk in the 2000's. Two different genres from two different time periods.

[stealthpeng]

Pinkerton had a less poppy sound though. And Greenday was the biggest mainstream pioneer, along with a few others of pop-punk. Blink 182 is the biggest mainstream pioneer of the modern pop-punk sound

[hockeyguitar99]

Pinkerton had a less poppy sound though. And Greenday was the biggest mainstream pioneer, along with a few others of pop-punk. Blink 182 is the biggest mainstream pioneer of the modern pop-punk sound

God fucking damnit. I NEVER FUCKING SAID THAT WEEZER INFLUENCED GOOD CHARLOTTE. I also said that Weezer weren't in the same fucking genre. I know Green Day and Blink were, and I never said they weren't. Pinkerton is and always will be a pop rock record.

[stealthpeng]

I'm pretty sure a lot of people consider Pinkerton to be one of the first 'mainstream' emo albums. that's why I compared Weezer to GC, because they have emo influences. Pinkerton is the least pop-rock, and probably least accessible out of any of Weezer's albums :\ as a whole though, both bands are pop-rock with punk influences. Mind you, I do think that Weezer is a better band, if that's what you're arguing.

I'm just trying to make the point that it's silly to hate GC. That they don't deserve your hate. etc.

[Use me!]

you haven't made any point. you just said that Weezer and GC weren't under the same genre. You never supplied a genre for either
I think we should stop talking about genres completely. Genres are such a stupid concept. The fact is this: Good Charlotte and Weezer have ZERO similarity.

[stealthpeng]

I think we should stop talking about genres completely. Genres are such a stupid concept. The fact is this: Good Charlotte and Weezer have ZERO similarity.

how on earth can you believe they have zero similarity?

I mean, I'm not a fan of Metro Station, but I don't blankly say that they have zero similarity to my favorite pop-punk bands

[hockeyguitar99]

I'm pretty sure a lot of people consider Pinkerton to be one of the first 'mainstream' emo albums. that's why I compared Weezer to GC, because they have emo influences. Pinkerton is the least pop-rock, and probably least accessible out of any of Weezer's albums :\ as a whole though, both bands are pop-rock with punk influences. Mind you, I do think that Weezer is a better band, if that's what you're arguing.

I'm just trying to make the point that it's silly to hate GC. That they don't deserve your hate. etc.

oh my FUCKING GOD. I'm not arguing with "people" you are not arguing with "people", the "people" are irrelevant. Good Charlotte didn't get hate for putting out an emotional record, they got hate for trend hopping faster than almost any band looking to stay in the mainstream. Each album tried to capitalize on a different popular trend. I'm not arguing that Weezer are a better band, because it's irrelevant. I'm arguing that you're an idiot for even trying to make a comparison between the two. Especially when GC deserve every ounce of hate they've ever gotten.

[hockeyguitar99]

how on earth can you believe they have zero similarity?

I mean, I'm not a fan of Metro Station, but I don't blankly say that they have zero similarity to my favorite pop-punk bands

Metro Station aren't a pop-punk you fucking idiot.

[Use me!]

how on earth can you believe they have zero similarity?

I mean, I'm not a fan of Metro Station, but I don't blankly say that they have zero similarity to my favorite pop-punk bands
Why don't you refute the point instead of refute the word zero? If they have any similarity, it isn't relevant to this conversation.

[theguy77]

dude you need to chill hahaha

[stealthpeng]

Why don't you refute the point instead of refute the word zero? If they have any similarity, it isn't relevant to this conversation.

have you listened to both, or either band? They have similarities. I mean, I can't get any more simple than that.

[hockeyguitar99]

dude you need to chill hahaha

I know, but I am so frustrated like this. I haven't legitimately lost my cool like this in a while too.

[stealthpeng]

Metro Station has pop-punk influences though. I dunno if that's really arguable. I mean, i guess it is, but it would be silly to.

[phil19]

Metro Station has pop-punk influences though. I dunno if that's really arguable. I mean, i guess it is, but it would be silly to.

i can see that

[Use me!]

Let's just stop talking about genres. Genres are so stupid. I don't think any band has ever sucked Mtv's dick with the same passion that Good Charlotte has, which puts them in a genre of their own.

[hockeyguitar99]

Metro Station has pop-punk influences though. I dunno if that's really arguable. I mean, i guess it is, but it would be silly to.

What influences do they have that are specific to pop-punk?

[hockeyguitar99]

Let's just stop talking about genres. Genres are so stupid. I don't think any band has ever sucked Mtv's dick with the same passion that Good Charlotte has, which puts them in a genre of their own.

Unfortunately, gernes aren't going to go away from the world or this argument.

[Use me!]

What influences do they have that are specific to pop-punk?
(Motion City Soundtrack)

[hockeyguitar99]

(Motion City Soundtrack)

I was asking for aspects of their music, not bands.

[stealthpeng]

Let's just stop talking about genres. Genres are so stupid. I don't think any band has ever sucked Mtv's dick with the same passion that Good Charlotte has, which puts them in a genre of their own.

by your logic Blink 182 was doing the same thing... or any band that plays music that's commercially viable.

I understand the genre hopping thing, and I'll agree with you on that partially. I think that the situations/experiences band members were going through during Chronicles and GMR had just as much influence as the flavor of the week though.

[hockeyguitar99]

by your logic Blink 182 was doing the same thing... or any band that plays music that's commercially viable.

I understand the genre hopping thing, and I'll agree with you on that partially. I think that the situations/experiences band members were going through during Chronicles and GMR had just as much influence as the flavor of the week though.

Blink-182 (re)popularized pop-punk music, they can't logically jump on a trend that they started, in fact, they actually steered away from that.

[stealthpeng]

Greenday was still popular when Blink 182 got popular. Plus ska punk was very popular (I was actually listening to a bit of music by this time, so I know this fo' sure). Blink 182's claim to fame is solid pop-punk tunes and irreverent humor, and being the 1st or second most influential pop-punk band of all time.

[Use me!]

by your logic Blink 182 was doing the same thing... or any band that plays music that's commercially viable.

I understand the genre hopping thing, and I'll agree with you on that partially. I think that the situations/experiences band members were going through during Chronicles and GMR had just as much influence as the flavor of the week though.
Did you even read the response that I wrote to you a few days ago? It doesn't seem like you have.

And I disagree, because blink-182 didn't change their sound with accordance to MTV. Good Charlotte went from pop-punk, to whatever emo scene shit you'd consider Chronicles to be, to dance rock.

[stealthpeng]

As for Metro Station, you don't have to look any further than the bands they've toured with to see what has influenced them. (GC, Simple Plan, Panic, We the Kings, etc.) So, basically pop-punk bands on the pop end of the scale.

[hockeyguitar99]

Greenday was still popular when Blink 182 got popular. Plus ska punk was very popular (I was actually listening to a bit of music by this time, so I know this fo' sure). Blink 182's claim to fame is solid pop-punk tunes and irreverent humor, and being the 1st or second most influential pop-punk band of all time.

At Blink's height, around 1999-2001, Green Day had dropped of considerable from where they were. Warning was a comparative failure, being their worst selling album since Kerplunk by a considerable margin. Again, Blink-182 really, really made it popular in the 21st century, so they in no way, shape or form, jumped a trend.

[stealthpeng]

Untitled was a very emo album. I don't think it was completely flavor of the week though, just like I don't think Chronicles was. Yes, it's okay to give bands the benefit of the doubt as far as musical integrity goes.

Like I said, I do think that GC has done some trend hopping... and if that in your mind is a legitimate reason to hate them, cool.

[hockeyguitar99]

As for Metro Station, you don't have to look any further than the bands they've toured with to see what has influenced them. (GC, Simple Plan, Panic, We the Kings, etc.) So, basically pop-punk bands on the pop end of the scale.

Touring with a type of bands doesn't in any way prove they were influenced, as you just said, they were influenced by pop, not pop-punk, and either way, again just because you tour with a band doesn't mean they are influenced by the genre, Simple Plan could tour with Pearl Jam, but that wouldn't mean they would be influenced by them. So to sum up my point because you don't seem to actually read posts, they aren't influenced by the punk part of pop-punk, making them only influenced by pop, and proving me correct.

[hockeyguitar99]

Untitled was a very emo album. I don't think it was completely flavor of the week though, just like I don't think Chronicles was. Yes, it's okay to give bands the benefit of the doubt as far as musical integrity goes.

Like I said, I do think that GC has done some trend hopping... and if that in your mind is a legitimate reason to hate them, cool.

What would a band have to do to get you to hate them?

Constantly changing you sound in a desperate attempt to stay in the mainstream AND making extremely shitty music seems like the best reason there is.

[stealthpeng]

At Blink's height, around 1999-2001, Green Day had dropped of considerable from where they were. Warning was a comparative failure, being their worst selling album since Kerplunk by a considerable margin. Again, Blink-182 really, really made it popular in the 21st century, so they in no way, shape or form, jumped a trend.

I don't think GC jumped a trend for their first two albums. They, like Blink, were just playing music they liked and wanted to play. And, hey, it's not like the band wasn't honest. Songs on GC's first cd talk about them wanting to get rich and famous. I mean, I can see that as a better reason for hating them than them trend-hopping.

[stealthpeng]

What would a band have to do to get you to hate them?

Constantly changing you sound in a desperate attempt to stay in the mainstream AND making extremely shitty music seems like the best reason there is.

GC's music isn't terrible though. They play solid mainstream pop-punk. Unless that genre just isn't your thing...

[stealthpeng]

and I don't think that they were making a desperate bid to remain mainstream. Maybe on GMR, but I don't think they were on Chronicles. Chronicles is just a continuation of the sound that was hinted on in Young and the Hopeless

[Use me!]

Untitled was a very emo album. I don't think it was completely flavor of the week though, just like I don't think Chronicles was. Yes, it's okay to give bands the benefit of the doubt as far as musical integrity goes.

Like I said, I do think that GC has done some trend hopping... and if that in your mind is a legitimate reason to hate them, cool.
Well I find that to be a very legitimate argument. Their intentions are clearly to make money. If you still don't understand why Good Charlotte is "hated" by so many people, look no further than MTV. You seem to ignore the fact that Good Charlotte has millions of fans among their haters. I picture you crying in front of a camera like Chris Crocker yelling, "Leave Good Charlotte alone!" when Good Charlotte had it coming this entire time.

[hockeyguitar99]

GC's music isn't terrible though. They play solid mainstream pop-punk. Unless that genre just isn't your thing...

Stop questioning if I like the goddamn genre or not. They are one of the worst bands currently doing it, hands down, it's not even close. They also haven't played pop-punk for atleast one album because they jumped the dance rock trend.

[stealthpeng]

I would argue that Chronicles is better than NFG's new album though, and NFG is hands down my favorite pop-punk band. I think GC is also better than We the Kings, Simple Plan, etc.

I don't think they're the worst out there at all.

[stealthpeng]

I'm not really questioning you, although your tastes according to your profile do seem to be very hip with this website's favorites (not that that's a bad thing. A lot of the stuff you're listening to is better than what I was when I was your age).

[hockeyguitar99]

I would argue that Chronicles is better than NFG's new album though, and NFG is hands down my favorite pop-punk band. I think GC is also better than We the Kings, Simple Plan, etc.

I don't think they're the worst out there at all.

We The Kings aren't pop punk.
Simple Plan aren't pop-punk.
New Found Glory are pop-punk and it's disgusting that someone with half a brain would say that anything Good Charlotte has released could even touch New Found Glory's releases. And they're not my favorite pop-punk band.

[hockeyguitar99]

I'm not really questioning you, although your tastes according to your profile do seem to be very hip with this website's favorites (not that that's a bad thing. A lot of the stuff you're listening to is better than what I was when I was your age).

If you weren't questioning me then you wouldn't have looked at my profile.

[stealthpeng]

I saw NFG live. It was my first concert. I'm a huge fan with a lot of bias, and I can't say that I'm not disappointed by their latest.

[stealthpeng]

I looked at your profile a while back because I saw you had a TV on the Radio profile pic, so I was interested in what else you liked... seeing as hipster music isn't the norm for kids your age

[hockeyguitar99]

I looked at your profile a while back because I saw you had a TV on the Radio profile pic, so I was interested in what else you liked... seeing as hipster music isn't the norm for kids your age

Is this digression your effective retiring from the argument?

[stealthpeng]

Simple Plan is the lowest form of pop-punk in my opinion... but they're still pop-punk.

[Use me!]

I would argue that Chronicles is better than NFG's new album though, and NFG is hands down my favorite pop-punk band. I think GC is also better than We the Kings, Simple Plan, etc.

I don't think they're the worst out there at all.
You're ignoring their last album. I'd rather see any given pop punk band before Good Charlotte because I don't want to listen to Get Your Hands Off My Girl or The River. At all. That song/album is irrefutably bad. Once they released that song, they were put on the very bottom of my bands to see list.

[stealthpeng]

<_< you never really refuted anything I said. lol. This current line of arguing is getting tired though. haha.

what is a band that you think gets undeserved hate?

[hockeyguitar99]

Simple Plan is the lowest form of pop-punk in my opinion... but they're still pop-punk.

Did you listen to their new album, it was in no way, shape, or form, pop-punk.

[hockeyguitar99]

<_< you never really refuted anything I said. lol. This current line of arguing is getting tired though. haha.

what is a band that you think gets undeserved hate?

I don't think any get undeserved hate. Because if a large group of people hate them, and even if it's just because they make bad music in that groups opinion, that's a well enough reason.

[stealthpeng]

You're ignoring their last album. I'd rather see any given pop punk band before Good Charlotte because I don't want to listen to Get Your Hands Off My Girl or The River. At all. That song/album is irrefutably bad. Once they released that song, they were put on the very bottom of my bands to see list.

I've said several times in this thread that I think that GMR was a bit of a trend-hop and GC jumped the shark a bit on that album. However, that doesn't make me dislike the band.

The problem is, most people started hating on them when they got popular with Lifestyles of the Rich and the Famous, not with GMR (which would be a more legitimate reason to hate them).

[Use me!]

<_< you never really refuted anything I said. lol.
What is your point, exactly, and how didn't it get excessively refuted?

[stealthpeng]

Did you listen to their new album, it was in no way, shape, or form, pop-punk.

nope, I've never been a fan of the band. Pop-punk is pretty broad term though, btw. My point is that they have lots of pop-punk influences, if they're not full out pop-punk (like their first 2 albums)

[COTA]

Fucking A, that game rules.

Original was 100x better.

[stealthpeng]

My point was that GC got a lot of undeserved hate. I summarized why I felt that way in the first post in this thread. The only person that's made a decent argument on why he believed the band deserved the hate actually listened/listens to the band and he had personal reasons for disliking certain aspects about GC (although he did like the first two albums). Everybody else hasn't bothered collecting their thoughts on the matter.

This thread wasn't even supposed to be about GC exclusively though. I was just using them because they are a controversial example.

[hockeyguitar99]

nope, I've never been a fan of the band. Pop-punk is pretty broad term though, btw. My point is that they have lots of pop-punk influences, if they're not full out pop-punk (like their first 2 albums)

So you're commenting on the style of a band when you haven't even heard their recent album? I'll sum it up for you: Not in anyway pop-punk. Get it? Got it? Good.

[hockeyguitar99]

My point was that GC got a lot of undeserved hate. I summarized why I felt that way in the first post in this thread. The only person that's made a decent argument on why he believed the band deserved the hate actually listened/listens to the band and he had personal reasons for disliking certain aspects about GC (although he did like the first two albums). Everybody else hasn't bothered collecting their thoughts on the matter.

This thread wasn't even supposed to be about GC exclusively though. I was just using them because they are a controversial example.

In what way did I not make a decent argument? I pointed out the exact reasons why they are hated so much, and it would be unreasonable of any normal, half-intelligent person to cite them as unreasonable.

[stealthpeng]

so having an album drift from a band's norm automatically negates the style of music they played for most of their career?

[stealthpeng]

In what way did I not make a decent argument? I pointed out the exact reasons why they are hated so much, and it would be unreasonable of any normal, half-intelligent person to cite them as unreasonable.

well, relate them all to me again. All the reasons why the 'deserve the hate' they receive.

[Use me!]

I've said several times in this thread that I think that GMR was a bit of a trend-hop and GC jumped the shark a bit on that album. However, that doesn't make me dislike the band.

The problem is, most people started hating on them when they got popular with Lifestyles of the Rich and the Famous, not with GMR (which would be a more legitimate reason to hate them).
How many times do I have to bring up MTV before you acknowledge my point? Good Charlotte has always conformed to the MTV stereotype and have received hate for it because of the counter-culture. This is psychology 101. Once a band put music on MTV they will be hated. But you're ignoring their sales.

Lifestyles of the Rich & Famous #20

The Chronicles of Life and Death #3

Good Morning Revival #7

How exactly is that hate? They have way more fans than haters. And it isn't undeserved hate because Good Charlotte makes music for all of the wrong reasons. Good Charlotte is making tons of money and are liked by tons of people which is their #1 priority, judging by their fetish for MTV. End of story.

[hockeyguitar99]

well, relate them all to me again. All the reasons why the 'deserve the hate' they receive.

They blatantly jumped trends to mantain popularity
Their music is bad

Mind you that you're opinion of the band is irrelevant as is mine. That's the reasons people hate them, and I fail to see where those two don't justify it. They band has always been starved for attention. If they just made bad music, people probably wouldn't give half a shit, but they make bad music, and seem to only be in it for the money and fame.

[stealthpeng]

Blink 182 and Greenday are both more successful than GC, so what's your point? That making money and being popular makes you a bad band?

[stealthpeng]

saying a band makes 'bad' music is never a good argument, because that's nearly always subjective. Trend-jumping is a better argument, and I've already covered how I feel about that. GC only really only consciously jumped on a trend at "GMR" imo however. Apparently their next cd is going back to the sound on their previous cds now. Is that trend-jumping? dance synth pop rock is still uber popular.

[Use me!]

Blink 182 and Greenday are both more successful than GC, so what's your point? That making money and being popular makes you a bad band?
This is a straw man if I've ever seen one. I didn't say they are a bad band. I'm saying that they are hated because of their fetish for MTV. I already made the point that blink-182 and Green Day don't change their sound to appease MTV, like Good Charlotte does. But it doesn't matter because those two bands are hated just as much as Good Charlotte, if not more! This argument isn't about blink-182 or Green Day.

[hockeyguitar99]

Blink 182 and Greenday are both more successful than GC, so what's your point? That making money and being popular makes you a bad band?

saying a band makes 'bad' music is never a good argument, because that's nearly always subjective. Trend-jumping is a better argument, and I've already covered how I feel about that. GC only really only consciously jumped on a trend at "GMR" imo however. Apparently their next cd is going back to the sound on their previous cds now. Is that trend-jumping? dance synth pop rock is still uber popular.

Making money isn't the problem at all, but only being in it for the money is.

And I said that that's part of why they hate the band. It is subjective, but it's a fundamental reason. I again said that whether you or I think they're bad is irrelevant, as I was relaying why a mass amount of people hate them. No body is going to hate a band that they think makes good music. I haven't seen or heard anything from or about their new CD and everything is all speculation.

[Use me!]

Damn. I just got pissed because I thought he was responding to me. Disregard my last post.

[fadedmemories]

I don't really see TBS get a lot of shit.
LN and Carpathia

[UnderMyDreams]

This is a straw man if I've ever seen one. I didn't say they are a bad band. I'm saying that they are hated because of their fetish for MTV. I already made the point that blink-182 and Green Day don't change their sound to appease MTV, like Good Charlotte does. But it doesn't matter because those two bands are hated just as much as Good Charlotte, if not more! This argument isn't about blink-182 or Green Day.

Woah. Go back a step.

There is NO way in HELL Blink-182 and Green Day get as much hate as GC. I really never see hate on blink, and only on Green Day because of American Idiot.

Good Charlotte sold out and because just horrible when they changed everything about them. They actually 110% sold out.

[UnderMyDreams]

And the Maine get undeserved hate.

[TheHoldSteady]

Original was 100x better.
Never playedd..

[bard]

i love mewithoutYou, and so do a lot of people, but the way people feel about them is so frustrating.

people either LOVE them or HATE!!!!!11!!! them

i don't get it.

[theguy77]

hahaha the only reason they're even associated with the scene is because they toured with brand new and thrice, two-ex scene bands who still have a lot of scene fans. they shouldnt even be degraded to a level as low as this fucking awful thread.

[bard]

lol that's true

i didn't go see that show when they came through cause mwY didn't have a long set, and $20 was too much, plus an hour drive on a worknight :/

[circatbs]

MewithoutYou is the shit.

[stealthpeng]

I didn't get into mewithoutYou until I saw them in concert. It's because of the non-singing more than anything that makes it hard for people to get into them (although I'd say that each release gets more accessible). But, yeah, they are kind of on the outskirts of the scene. By scene (in this thread) I'm talking about the scene that this site caters to, not scene as in 'scene kid' scene. The scene that this site caters to is pop-punk and indie/alternative.

[theguy77]

lol that's true

i didn't go see that show when they came through cause mwY didn't have a long set, and $20 was too much, plus an hour drive on a worknight :/

i missed it because my "friend" didnt have a working cell phone and didnt bother to come knock on my dorm room door (which is like 5 minutes away from his) before they were about to leave. i had a ticket purchased and everything. easily would have been the best concert ive ever been to, especailly considering i was fucking HUGE into thrice at the time for the alchemy index. i just sat in my room not moving and just stewing for like 30 minutes i was so fucking pissed, when i found out they left without me. i fucking loved all three of those bands and still do quite a bit although im much less crazy about thrice now.

[Use me!]

i missed it because my "friend" didnt have a working cell phone and didnt bother to come knock on my dorm room door (which is like 5 minutes away from his) before they were about to leave. i had a ticket purchased and everything. easily would have been the best concert ive ever been to, especailly considering i was fucking HUGE into thrice at the time for the alchemy index. i just sat in my room not moving and just stewing for like 30 minutes i was so fucking pissed, when i found out they left without me. i fucking loved all three of those bands and still do quite a bit although im much less crazy about thrice now.
That concert was ruined for me because we got seats. I was with a bunch of girls who don't mosh and my friend just had knee surgery. We were so far away from the bands, I couldn't even tell what was going on.

[circatbs]

i missed it because my "friend" didnt have a working cell phone and didnt bother to come knock on my dorm room door (which is like 5 minutes away from his) before they were about to leave. i had a ticket purchased and everything. easily would have been the best concert ive ever been to, especailly considering i was fucking HUGE into thrice at the time for the alchemy index. i just sat in my room not moving and just stewing for like 30 minutes i was so fucking pissed, when i found out they left without me. i fucking loved all three of those bands and still do quite a bit although im much less crazy about thrice now.

I would be pissed beyond belief.