New York Post's Thrice And Mest Reviews

[Frank Giaramita]

Sunday's New York Post printed reviews for Thrice (http://www.thrice.net/)'s Vheissu (2.5/5) and Mest (http://www.mestcrapp.com/)'s Photographs (3/5).

Thrice Review (http://www.nypost.com/entertainment/53585.htm) / Mest Review (http://www.nypost.com/entertainment/53584.htm)

Submitted by: spitfire6647

[Greg]

mest got a higher score?

wtf!?

[TyroneShoolaces]

is this a joke?

can somebody who signed up post the whole thing on here, i'm not signing up for spam.

[IcedOpethBlind]

*vomit*

[PunkDrums182]

Tate's gonna be mad.

[Greg]

im signing up so i can read the whole thing....

[deadandgone]

2.5/5?.......that means they failed, right?........


asshole reviewers (minus our great minds at AP.net, of course)

[rainraindown]

pshhh they obv dont know what they are talking about VHEISSU is perfect.... end of discussion.

[FondestMemory]

the new mest album is ridiculously bad.

thrice is the exact opposite.

[HolyCrapola]

Ehh, it's one person's opinion. If they didn't like it, then they didn't like it, oh well. Some things aren't for everybody and I don't think this review makes them an "ass hole". To each their own.

[GaryCondit]

Has anyone seen the commercial for the new Mest? They raided Green Day's wordrobe...that aside the new Mest getting a higher review probably means there were two seperate critics and both had different visions of what their scores mean.

[tambo41187]

Sorry you loose all credibility when you give mest a higher rating than Thirce. Its like the time when Alt press gave simple plan a 4/5.

[mylkhead]

I believe it

[brandneww]

that's pretty brutal.

[deadandgone]

Ehh, it's one person's opinion. If they didn't like it, then they didn't like it, oh well. Some things aren't for everybody and I don't think this review makes them an "ass hole". To each their own.
it's unfortunate that his opinion is printed in the new york post......

[Jared Kaufman]

Wow! They can kiss any credibility they might've had out the window.

[Greg]

ok i cant sign up./.... or its taking too long


anyone have a name and password i can use to read the full review?

[Drew Beringer]

meh, I don't care. Thrice is the best album of 2005. I don't care what some shitty newspaper has to say.

[RockVocalPower]

I reviewed Mest for my school's student newspaper and gave it a 3/5.

I gave Story of the Year a 2.5

[Mercy Medical]

Wow, I'm really surprised that Mest got a better review than Thrice. I mean, I'm a Mest fan and everything, but Thrice was far superior.

[electricpatrick]

uh, its most likely two different reviewers, so its not fair to compare why mest got a higher score, regardless of what you think. just wanted to state that.

is it out of 5? or 4?

[LPMagic]

But what's the point of a negative review?

Just kidding.

- Jeff

[HolyCrapola]

it's unfortunate that his opinion is printed in the new york post......
I just don't agree with how people can call him "uncredible" and an "asshole" just because he didn't like an album. It's his opinion.

[RockVocalPower]

Seriously. It's someone's opinion. Don't act like he said you have bad taste in music.

[lostntheseethru]

ok im not trying to start an arguement here...but i just maybe 2 hours ago heard the image of the invisible for the first time...and if the rest of the cd is like that then i can see why its getting a 2.5/5....so i hope its better

i like mest and i think they are giving this new mest cd too much credit...and in response to who ever was talking about seeing the new mest commercials....they look like theyve added about 50 pounds to themselves as well...

[asdfjkl]

haha. they call thrice nu-metal.

[Teddythegr8one]

not much more...



October 16, 2005 -- THRICE "Vheissu"

2 1/2 STARS

Island

The heavy-metal thrust of "Image of the Invisible," the opening song on Thrice's "Vheissu," is a tease. It makes you believe that Thrice is a hardcore band with a soft spot for emo, when it's really the other way around. Forget the comparisons to heavier Linkin Park or old-timers such as Queensryche. Instead, think of Coldplay as a reference when the music gets lite.

There's a certain appeal in this record's stylistic unpredictability, which swings from melancholy pianos to hammering nu-metal. Yet what it lacks in musical unity, it makes up for in a few radio-bound songs such as the metallic "Hold Fast Hope." When Thrice embraces emo on "Atlantic" and "Red Sky," they melt. They're better at alternating between soft and hard, as on "Music Box" and "Like Moths to Flame."

Download this: "Hold Fast Hope"

[Greg]

from what i can read of it./... he hates it cause the whole album isnt like Image of the Invisible...


so thats a pretty gay way to judge an album



maybe he makes valid points later. but i cant acess that....

not much more...



October 16, 2005 -- THRICE "Vheissu"

2 1/2 STARS

Island

The heavy-metal thrust of "Image of the Invisible," the opening song on Thrice's "Vheissu," is a tease. It makes you believe that Thrice is a hardcore band with a soft spot for emo, when it's really the other way around. Forget the comparisons to heavier Linkin Park or old-timers such as Queensryche. Instead, think of Coldplay as a reference when the music gets lite.

There's a certain appeal in this record's stylistic unpredictability, which swings from melancholy pianos to hammering nu-metal. Yet what it lacks in musical unity, it makes up for in a few radio-bound songs such as the metallic "Hold Fast Hope." When Thrice embraces emo on "Atlantic" and "Red Sky," they melt. They're better at alternating between soft and hard, as on "Music Box" and "Like Moths to Flame."

Download this: "Hold Fast Hope"
he just wants something to bang his head to.... i hate people like that



emo? hahahahaha

[HolyCrapola]

i just maybe 2 hours ago heard the image of the invisible for the first time...and if the rest of the cd is like that then i can see why its getting a 2.5/5 IN MY OPINION "Image Of The Invisible" is one of the best songs the band has ever wrote, and is the only song on their new album that has an ounce of appeal. Although there are some other decent songs on the disc, nothing stands out, to me, like "Image Of The Invisible". That song will most likely grow on you over time... at least it did for me.

[meekers]

holy shit, that is ridiculous

[Greg]

holy shit, that is ridiculous
yes basically

[ACA]

...Vheissu is 5/5, easily top5 of 2005. Look at all those fives.

Thrice released a CD with a mixture of kill-your-friends in the pit music and chill-out music. They told a beautiful story.. I love hard stuff, but I realize there is a time and place for it. The story on Thrice's CD needs soft parts, as well.

If I really want to listen to something brutal, I'll pull out an old Napalm Death record or throw in some ETID or DEP.. all good bands, too.

-ACA

[lostntheseethru]

IN MY OPINION "Image Of The Invisible" is one of the best songs the band has ever wrote, and is the only song on their new album that has an ounce of appeal. Although there are some other decent songs on the disc, nothing stands out, to me, like "Image Of The Invisible". That song will most likely grow on you over time... at least it did for me.


i hope so...i dunno it was just kinda blah to me. i was really expecting a way better song when i heard it.but i was like oh...this is what everyones been going on about????

[Greg]

...Vheissu is 5/5, easily top5 of 2005. Look at all those fives.

Thrice released a CD with a mixture of kill-your-friends in the pit music and chill-out music. They told a beautiful story.. I love hard stuff, but I realize there is a time and place for it. The story on Thrice's CD needs soft parts, as well.

If I really want to listen to something brutal, I'll pull out an old Napalm Death record or throw in some ETID or DEP.. all good bands, too.

-ACA
if you want hard thrice.... listen to IC or TIOS..... and parts of AITA..... i respect thrice soooo much for making this record

[Lerok22]

Try to remember guys, this isn't really the music that an older person writing for the New York Post typically listens to. So don't say that they don't have any credibility.

[Mitch]

Try to remember guys, this isn't really the music that an older person writing for the New York Post typically listens to. So don't say that they don't have any credibility.

Well then they shouldn't be trying to review it...

[lostntheseethru]

Well then they shouldn't be trying to review it...


this is one of the most anticipated albums of the year...of course they are going to review it.

[agent00013]

Eh, I've liked what I've heard of the album on MySpace and am seriously considering picking it up when it comes out later this week. While the New York Post might be good for journalism, what the hell do they know about Thrice or their style of music in general?

Uhm... nothing.

Moving on.

[InaGreendase]

Regardless of whether or not the dude liked it, he/she seems pretty clueless. Nü-metal? Coldplay? Try post-hardcore...try Fugazi...try alternative metal...try Cave In...Isis...the person just really isn't that in touch with underground music and/or made stretch comparisons.

[ACA]

http://www.bugmenot.com/

^^ TELL ALL YOUR FRIENDS ^^

-ACA

[last light]

this is one of the most anticipated albums of the year...of course they are going to review it.
the rest of the album sounds nothing like "image of the invisible", its totally different.

[HolyCrapola]

Realistically, whether you choose to admit it or not, "Vheissu" is not a mainstream / hit record by any means. There are very few songs on that album that can be successful singles (by successful I mean maintaining a #1 spot on TRL or constant coverage on MTV). Although "Artist In The Ambulance" was a step in the mainstream direction, this album is a leap in the opposite. New York Post are not an indie press outlet, not are they small by any means. They're writing these reviews based on how the average mainstream/MTV listener would feel about the albums, not based on how the 18 year old indie-driven kid would feel about it.

[losingstreakca]

the illusion of saftey > Vheissu

sorry, it had to be said

[lostntheseethru]

the rest of the album sounds nothing like "image of the invisible", its totally different.


you talk more about it than anyone else i know...so for that im willing to give it more of a chance than i would if someone else said something about it.

[sweethypocrisy]

he called thrice emo and nu metal.

get al queda on the phone, we have a freebie target for them.

[DeathCabForCoon]

Jason Tate for New York Post music reviewer!

[waggy]

um, it's one person's review, you don't need to get your panties in a twist. go to rottentomatoes.com and find me one movie that has 100% positive reviews on there (aside from after the fact entries like the godfather and casablanca). not everyone enjoys the same music that users of this site do. and despite what certain people would have you believe, vheissu is not above criticism.

[greatestfall]

at least someone besides Ryan Mills isn't having his nuts fondled by island and gets the point that this cd isn't all that its cracked up to be.

[reductiondesign]

OH MY GOD SOMEONE DIDN'T LIKE AN ALBUM I DO SO I HATE THIS NEWSPAPER.

I don't get it. Why do people hate AP when they give a bad review? It's one person's opinion...

[xearlynovemberx]

hahahhahaha mest is fucking horrible how do they have fans

[Greg Dona]

Sorry you loose all credibility when you give mest a higher rating than Thirce. Its like the time when Alt press gave simple plan a 4/5.
i think you lose all credibility when you spell "lose" incorrectly. haha, sorry, that was lame of me. and im pretty sure that i spelled something wrong somewhere in there too...

[sweethypocrisy]

idc if he gave it -5/5 he should choke on his ignorance for calling them emo and numetal.

[royden]

why do labels send cds to be reviewed by people who dont know music..it is obvious that the NY Post is not going to like the Thrice album nor even understand it

[Talib Scottie]

Image of the Invisibile is hardcore with a soft spot of emo? Hm. I get what they're trying to describe, and it's an album called the Artist in the Ambulance. However, that album is neither hardcore nor emo, so they strike out again

[Adeniz19]

not much more...



October 16, 2005 -- THRICE "Vheissu"

2 1/2 STARS

Island

The heavy-metal thrust of "Image of the Invisible," the opening song on Thrice's "Vheissu," is a tease. It makes you believe that Thrice is a hardcore band with a soft spot for emo, when it's really the other way around. Forget the comparisons to heavier Linkin Park or old-timers such as Queensryche. Instead, think of Coldplay as a reference when the music gets lite.

There's a certain appeal in this record's stylistic unpredictability, which swings from melancholy pianos to hammering nu-metal. Yet what it lacks in musical unity, it makes up for in a few radio-bound songs such as the metallic "Hold Fast Hope." When Thrice embraces emo on "Atlantic" and "Red Sky," they melt. They're better at alternating between soft and hard, as on "Music Box" and "Like Moths to Flame."

Download this: "Hold Fast Hope"hahahahahahahaha nu-metal? emo?

[tambo41187]

i think you lose all credibility when you spell "lose" incorrectly. haha, sorry, that was lame of me. and im pretty sure that i spelled something wrong somewhere in there too...
haha good call/point :thumbsup:

when am i gonna start seeing your reviews posted?

[greatestfall]

why do labels send cds to be reviewed by people who dont know music..it is obvious that the NY Post is not going to like the Thrice album nor even understand iti would imagine the guys working at the new york post have been reviewing music longer than you have been alive, so i would avoid claims like that.

the comment about coldplay was exactly what i said when i first listened.. "wow this sounds like coldplay... just a little heavier with a tiny bit of screaming.."

[MaDeMaN FiAsCo]

It's the New York Post...don't take anything you read in that paper seriously.

[Crimson_Curse]

it is a sad, sad day when mest gets a higher score than thrice on anything...except for better white power bands


JKJKJKJKJKJKJKJKJKJKJKJKJKJKJKJK!!1 !1111

[Greg Dona]

haha good call/point :thumbsup:

when am i gonna start seeing your reviews posted?
i dunno yet. ive im'ed and pm'ed tate but he hasnt gotten back to me. i guess in a little while... i hope. haha, it will be a glorious day. and you will do recs w/me.

[Adeniz19]

why does it say this is only mest's 3rd cd? i could of swore they had alot more out then that

[GAD_guy]

it may be better than a 2.5, but that thrice album is certainly my choice for most overrated album of the year.

[leika]

Mo' Money, Mo' 40z
Wasting Time
Destination Unknown
Mest (Self-Titled)


...so it's their 5th.

[greatestfall]

it may be better than a 2.5, but that thrice album is certainly my choice for most overrated album of the year.i completely agree with you buddy.

[MalevolentHoff]

Fuck the New York Post. That paper is a glorified tabloid.

[Greg]

why does it say this is only mest's 3rd cd? i could of swore they had alot more out then that
its their 5th.....

4th thats easy to find and get.

dont know where 3 came from

[burnpianoisland]

the illusion of saftey > Vheissu

sorry, it had to be said

that kind of goes without saying. thrice has never made a bad record. vheissu is their worst in my opinion...but it's still better then 84% of everything else in the world.

[NameTaken69]

thats comical

[Teddythegr8one]

why do i have negative scene points.. i have yet to post anything bad here.. i alway spost news things that someone clearly steals.. i wont say the name.. and i sent many songs of peopel who wnated them...

[Crimson_Curse]

do you complain to much?

[UncleRico]

it may be better than a 2.5, but that thrice album is certainly my choice for most overrated album of the year.
Good call man...agreed.

My review (below) concurs...

[Talib Scottie]

Vheissu grew on me a lot, I didnt like it much at first, but man I've been rocking the hell out of it. I love the moody-ness of it

[apex]

it's unfortunate that his opinion is printed in the new york post......

no one with a brain should take the post seriously in any manner. music-related or not. it's the shittiest major newspaper around here.

[DroppedUrPocket]

Hahaha. That's about as bad as a punknews.org review.

[Cocky Caucasion]

Thrice is boring as hell. I don't understand why people are comparing it to the likes of fugazi.
Everyone needs to calm down and get their dicks sucked or something. Just let it go.
I don't think the guy who wrote the review is going to lose any sleep over this either. Who gives a fuck if they lose the respect of some kid on a message board. I sure as hell wouldn't.
But by all means, feel free to bitch.

[burnpianoisland]

people on this site actually wanted me banned because i said i downloaded vhiessu and said i thought it wasn' that rgeat. i think it was those wrestler fucks. the sexy boy and that other one. you know who im talking about.

[xHittheWallx]

comparing thrice to coldplay is like comparing tyra banks to rosanne.

[Flags of Dawn]

Thrice is boring as hell. I don't understand why people are comparing it to the likes of fugazi.
Everyone needs to calm down and get their dicks sucked or something. Just let it go.
I don't think the guy who wrote the review is going to lose any sleep over this either. Who gives a fuck if they lose the respect of some kid on a message board. I sure as hell wouldn't.
But by all means, feel free to bitch.
i think you need to get your dick sucked by the guy who did this review.

comparing them to Linkin Park and saying that Hold Fast Hope is radio-bound are quite possibly the two most out of touch things I've ever heard.

[NFG4ever]

people on this site actually wanted me banned because i said i downloaded vhiessu and said i thought it wasn' that rgeat. i think it was those wrestler fucks. the sexy boy and that other one. you know who im talking about.
I don't find it that great eather.

[darthrupp83]

I find this album to be mediocre. Some of the tracks I can listen to but some of it sounds too much like that one FSF cd after Carrabba left (Stand and feel your worth). I like that Thrice is trying to go in a new direction but they did not do it well. It is boring at times with its slow tempos and crappy at other times (Hold Fast Hope, I thought he didn't want to scream anymore. Yes, I do like the old thrice screaming, but it does not fit this cd). I like a few of the tracks a lot but it seems like this site was paid by someone at the Thrice camp. Look at the new colors and the excess amount of stuff posted about them each day. I would give it a 6.5/10 for the guts it took to makesome of the tracks but this is no Kid A, an album that redefined a band and genre, just another rock album with some keys put in. I think they shoudl have stuck with the music they said they were making that was way out there. MAke a Sigur Rosesk type album if that is what comes out. If they were truely all about the music they wouldn't have made it how they did to accomidate fans, they said that not me.

[ThisIsSoBrandNw]

the mest cd is better....

[musical monkey]

those of you who do not live in the NY/NJ/CT area must not know that the NY Post is not exactly the end all be all of journalism.

[Ruggiero2oo8]

:stick: :speechles :shake:

[Sureshot182]

mest owns the world..the end. JUST KIDDING. that is pretty humurous that they got higher than thrice though. mest pulls off what they do quite well.

[Susan Sarandon]

Hahaha. That's about as bad as a punknews.org review.

Come on dude!!! Read up at Punknews. We cover the shit you like.. BOTH My Chemical Romance AND Panic! At the Disco!

[AbsentTruth]

what a bunch of morons they have for reviewers.

[s.deel.besonym]

Atlantic and Red Sky are a few of the best songs I've heard this year. Does the Post accept letters to the editor? Can we get another review? This might seriously affect some people's decision to check Thrice out and that BLOWS.

[TBSowns524]

I definitely do not understand how Mest's album got a better review than Thrice's...

but I was wondering if someone could explain to me mest being about white power cause i used to be into them and it would certainly lower my opinion of them if it were true?

[njkid54]

he is entitled to his opinion. but i bet he never listened to any other thrice cd before this one.

[xThursdayxPTWx]

Ehh, it's one person's opinion. If they didn't like it, then they didn't like it, oh well. Some things aren't for everybody and I don't think this review makes them an "ass hole". To each their own.

Yeah, but it gets printed in one of the most popular publications out there, I'm sure most of the people reading the NY Post wouldn't take much interest....but it looks bad for them. Oh well, I think the sheer perfection of this album is enough to outshine someone who's obviously not cut out to review albums, maybe he/she should go work for Alternative Press...not to mention completely obliterate any credibility this publication has for album reviews....I wouldn't mind the bad review if it wasn't so weak and the person actually knew more about music before writing it.

[XthroughmyeyesX]

...hammering nu-metal?
Cross-referencing to Linkin Park?

Something is indefinitely wrong here.

[Loch_Doun]

image of the invisible sucks, but the rest of the album is awesome

[minusthejosh]

i feel very confused about this. :huh:

[ACA]

Yep. (http://www.reset931.net/saiban/Obj_Nar.swf?inputStr=Numetal+makes+ baby+Jesus+cry)

-ACA

[xThursdayxPTWx]

image of the invisible sucks, but the rest of the album is awesome

I disagree......it is very much a great song, but the rest of the album is so much better

[Darren McLeod]

I find this thread very amusing.

[xThursdayxPTWx]

Yep. (http://www.reset931.net/saiban/Obj_Nar.swf?inputStr=Numetal+makes+ baby+Jesus+cry)

-ACA

lol, I don't doubt it.

[AHMYBRAIN]

The NY Post is sensationalist garbage to begin with. This only reinforces their total irrelevence.

[dumbcorey]

bout right for thrice. but mest is horrible. 0/5

[anishkabob]

image of the invisible is a heavy metal song.

thrice is a nu-metal band.


hooray stereotypes!

[dartanian=gods]

its hype like this that ruined vheissu for me, i expected so much more after hearing everyone and their mother sya how amazing it is but i just can't aggree anymore. Although i'm sure mest's record is not better than thrices

[unwritten]

Haha, the Post is the worst newspaper in NY, if you even want to call it a newspaper.

[Jason Tate]

Regardless of whether or not the dude liked it, he/she seems pretty clueless. Nü-metal? Coldplay? Try post-hardcore...try Fugazi...try alternative metal...try Cave In...Isis...the person just really isn't that in touch with underground music and/or made stretch comparisons.
Well said.

[ForeverInADay]

post 100 and 3. I got beat :shake:

[icf4life]

i certainly dont mind the fact that its not in favor of the thrice record BUT... the way he criticizes the record for being stylistically different is completely fucking ignorant

[Jason Tate]

the mest cd is better....
You are insane.

Come on dude!!! Read up at Punknews. We cover the shit you like.. BOTH My Chemical Romance AND Panic! At the Disco!
Covering != making fun of.

I find this album to be mediocre. Some of the tracks I can listen to but some of it sounds too much like that one FSF cd after Carrabba left (Stand and feel your worth). I like that Thrice is trying to go in a new direction but they did not do it well. It is boring at times with its slow tempos and crappy at other times (Hold Fast Hope, I thought he didn't want to scream anymore. Yes, I do like the old thrice screaming, but it does not fit this cd). I like a few of the tracks a lot but it seems like this site was paid by someone at the Thrice camp. Look at the new colors and the excess amount of stuff posted about them each day. I would give it a 6.5/10 for the guts it took to makesome of the tracks but this is no Kid A, an album that redefined a band and genre, just another rock album with some keys put in. I think they shoudl have stuck with the music they said they were making that was way out there. MAke a Sigur Rosesk type album if that is what comes out. If they were truely all about the music they wouldn't have made it how they did to accomidate fans, they said that not me.
I can't even read this post without scratching my head searching for what you tried to say.

its hype like this that ruined vheissu for me, i expected so much more after hearing everyone and their mother sya how amazing it is but i just can't aggree anymore. Although i'm sure mest's record is not better than thrices
If you listen to other people, and base what you like on what others do or don't - you're beyond help to begin with.

[Greg Dona]

I can't even read this post without scratching my head searching for what you tried to say.
burn! in other news, flogging molly and the flipside are yum. set me up soon good sir mr tate?

[Talib Scottie]

Vheissu is right on up there with Artist and Illusion IMO. Vheissu is just a beautiful record full of mood changes and is carried competantly by Dustin's incredible voice that was once only noticed when Thrice picked up the acoustic guitar. Atlantic, For Miles, and Music Box are each incredible. I loved this album after about the third listen, just give it time and be open minded. The hype only affects the album if you let it.

[johnfitz55]

If The Image of the Invisible were on any of the last two cds it woulda been the worst song on the CD

[LostSymphonies]

god forbid a publication not agree with the hype of all mighty AP.net, i like thrice but jesus christ let peoples opinions be!

[darthrupp83]

Jason-
I re-read my post and must admit that it is a bit jumbled, to say the least. Thanks for trying to read what people have to say even when it is a mess.

Basically, I think this album is not what everyone is claiming it to be. It is not genre defining nor a genre re-defining at all. it sounds like they need to figure out what they want to be and be it. Vheissu is a jumble of sounds that don't fit quite right. It is a bold move and good idea but poorly executed.

It seems a bit odd that the posters all seem to agree with your review so steadfastly. Your review has infultrated the minds of many of the members of this forum who use your term 'perfect' so often. Just my critique on the cattle-like qualities of people. Further, i am not discrediting your review or anyone's thoughts on the album; i am, however, trying to ruffle some feathers.

[CROMagnon]

Wow! They can kiss any credibility they might've had out the window.
they never had any credibility...the post isn't a real newspaper

it's a tabloid with a sports section
everything outside of sports in that paper is a joke

[Talib Scottie]

Jason-
I re-read my post and must admit that it is a bit jumbled, to say the least. Thanks for trying to read what people have to say even when it is a mess.

Basically, I think this album is not what everyone is claiming it to be. It is not genre defining nor a genre re-defining at all. it sounds like they need to figure out what they want to be and be it. Vheissu is a jumble of sounds that don't fit quite right. It is a bold move and good idea but poorly executed.

It seems a bit odd that the posters all seem to agree with your review so steadfastly. Your review has infultrated the minds of many of the members of this forum who use your term 'perfect' so often. Just my critique on the cattle-like qualities of people. Further, i am not discrediting your review or anyone's thoughts on the album; i am, however, trying to ruffle some feathers.
I wouldn't call it genre-defining

[Talib Scottie]

god forbid a publication not agree with the hype of all mighty AP.net, i like thrice but jesus christ let peoples opinions be!
I think everybody is missing the point in everyone's gripe with this review.

They referred to Thrice as a harder Linkin Park. They called them hardcore with a touch of emo. I think they are questioning their credibility because they make outrageous statements that are so far from being true. The review was positive and I would have agreed with a 2.5 rating when it first hit, it just grew on me, and it's not even my album of the year, although it is #2

[Troy will Fall]

It doesn't get any better than The Artist in the Ambulance. That album was so intense, and when i listened to this, i just didn't feel the same way.....Thrice doesn't deserve to be on this pedestal, neither does Cartel for that matter..but all you guys seem to go completely apeshit over them.. either way, thrice is a kickass band to see live, thought i'd add that in there.

[eXcivory]

lord knows i go to the new york post for my album reviews...

[Jason Tate]

If The Image of the Invisible were on any of the last two cds it woulda been the worst song on the CD
Comparing what the band did on Vheissu and what they did on their first few albums is unfair to the bands (and to you as a listener).

It doesn't get any better than The Artist in the Ambulance. That album was so intense, and when i listened to this, i just didn't feel the same way.....Thrice doesn't deserve to be on this pedestal, neither does Cartel for that matter..but all you guys seem to go completely apeshit over them.. either way, thrice is a kickass band to see live, thought i'd add that in there.
The album wasn't mean to be intense in the same manner as their past material; it's a different entity entirely, and should be treated as one. I find the album (personally) to be more intense because of the material handled within. Scream on every song don't an intense album make. That's my take on it ..

totally agree with you 100%.

this whole album is so overhyped.
There (for maybe the 15th time) in this thread is the term "hype" used, and once again it is in conjunction with the adjective "over." Albums are not "hyped" on this website .. there is not a single band, word, or phrase that I have ever uttered that I do not stand behind 100% as my own personal belief. This "hyping" is only considered to be hype because of the size of our reader-base. If we were still a 15 person visited website, I would only be giving an "opinion" on music; however, because we are seen by 100 times that number - my opinion is now considered to be "hype." I don't really care what phrase you use to describe my words in the end ... as long as you don't confuse their intent or more-so: their meaning. This website has always been a forum of sorts for me to tell the world about the music I love ... it's up to the beholder to decide whether they disagree or agree with me in the end ... furthermore, it is then up to the readers to tell others what music THEY love, and recommend. If you're here for any other reason then to share in the love of music - you are here for the wrong reasons.

[derricklc22]

lord knows i go to the new york post for my album reviews...
I believe the Thrice album to be the best album of the yr. and one of the best records I've ever heard. Its just my opinion, I dont mind some of you guys not liking the album though. When I first heard it, I was somehwat letdown but the 2nd time around it just hit me. Hope ppl. give it more than one listen or they maybe missing out.

[Jason Tate]

Jason-
I re-read my post and must admit that it is a bit jumbled, to say the least. Thanks for trying to read what people have to say even when it is a mess.

Basically, I think this album is not what everyone is claiming it to be. It is not genre defining nor a genre re-defining at all. it sounds like they need to figure out what they want to be and be it. Vheissu is a jumble of sounds that don't fit quite right. It is a bold move and good idea but poorly executed.

It seems a bit odd that the posters all seem to agree with your review so steadfastly. Your review has infultrated the minds of many of the members of this forum who use your term 'perfect' so often. Just my critique on the cattle-like qualities of people. Further, i am not discrediting your review or anyone's thoughts on the album; i am, however, trying to ruffle some feathers.
I disagree entirely. This is exactly the band sitting down and figuring out what they want to be; and I quote Dustin, "It seems that some of you are confused as to why this record sounds the way it does. In short, it sounds the way it does because we like it ... Anyone is free to like or dislike this record, but have no disillusions about the motives for it's creation."

I also take offense (as many readers to this website might) at your quickness to judge other's opinions as "cattle-like." I am not so quick as to judge you the type who dislikes everything I like, simply because I like it; however, have no disillusions that there are not those out there that adhere to the same "cattle-minded" mentality in deciding what they should NOT listen to. I try and leave it up to our readers what music they fall in love with - I think it's cutting short the power of music (especially this album) to call it anything else.

To believe your own thought, to believe that what is true for you in your private heart is true for all men, - that is genius.
A man should learn to detect and watch that gleam of light which flashes across his mind from within, more than the lustre of the firmament of bards and sages. Yet he dismisses without notice his thought, because it is his. In every work of genius we recognize our own rejected thoughts: they come back to us with a certain alienated majesty. Great works of art have no more affecting lesson for us than this. They teach us to abide by our spontaneous impression with good-humored inflexibility … when the whole cry of voices is on the other side. Else, tomorrow a stranger will say with masterly good sense precisely what we have thought and felt all the time, and we shall be forced to take with shame our own opinion from another.
We but half express ourselves, and are ashamed of that divine idea which each or us represents…but God will not have his work made manifest by cowards.
Trust thyself: every heart vibrates to that iron string.

These are the voices we which we hear in solitude, but they grow faint and inaudible as we enter into the world. Society everywhere is in conspiracy against the manhood of every one of its member.
The virtue in most request is conformity. Self-reliance is it’s aversion. [Conformity] loves not realities and creators, but names and customs.
Whoso would be a man must be a nonconformist. He who would gather immortal palms must not be hindered by the name of goodness, but must explore if it be goodness.
What I must do is all that concerns me, not what people think. This rule, equally arduous in actual and intellectual life. may serve as the whole distinction between greatness and meanness. It is the harder, because you will always find people who think they know what is your duty better that you know it. It is easy in the world to live after the world’s opinion; it is easy in solitude to live after our own; but the great man is he who in the midst of the crowd keeps with perfect sweetness the independence of solitude.
The objection to conforming to usages that have become dead to you is, that it scatters your force. It loses your time and blurs the impression of your character.
The other terror that scares us from self-trust is our consistency; a reverence for our past act or word, because the eyes of others have no other data for computing our orbit than our past acts, and we are loathe to disappoint them.
A foolish consistency is the hobgoblin of little minds, adored by little statesmen and philosophers and divines. With consistency a great soul has simply nothing to do. He may as well concern himself with his shadow on the wall. Speak what you think now in hard words, and tomorrow speak what tomorrow thinks in hard words again, though it contradict every thing you said today. ‘Ah, so you shall be sure to be misunderstood,’ Pythagoras was misunderstood, and Socrates, and Jesus, and Luther, and Copernicus, and Galileo, and Newton, and every pure and wise spirit that ever took flesh. To be great is to be misunderstood.
- Ralph Waldo Emerson

I believe the Thrice album to be the best album of the yr. and one of the best records I've ever heard. Its just my opinion, I dont mind some of you guys not liking the album though. When I first heard it, I was somehwat letdown but the 2nd time around it just hit me. Hope ppl. give it more than one listen or they maybe missing out.
I completely agree .. if you don't spend time with this CD, you just simply won't understand.

[greatestfall]

I believe the Thrice album to be the best album of the yr. and one of the best records I've ever heard. Its just my opinion, I dont mind some of you guys not liking the album though. When I first heard it, I was somehwat letdown but the 2nd time around it just hit me. Hope ppl. give it more than one listen or they maybe missing out.i've given it 9, 10, 15 listens, at least once a day, and it still hasn't hit me, the only thing that keeps hitting me is my own fist because i'm torturing myself listening to it.

[darthrupp83]

.. if you don't spend time with this CD, you just simply won't understand.

Have no disillusions yourself about what this CD is. It is not a challenging piece of music that is harsh on the ears or with long sections that are tough to get through but rewarding in the end. There is no dissonance or long solos that change keys with no warning in this album. What is not to understand about this album? Or will I get the "you wouldn't understand because you haven't given it a chance" or "you can't"? I have tried and I don't so tell me.

I also take offense (as many readers to this website might) at your quickness to judge other's opinions as "cattle-like." I am not so quick as to judge you the type who dislikes everything I like, simply because I like it; however, have no disillusions that there are not those out there that adhere to the same "cattle-minded" mentality in deciding what they should NOT listen to. I try and leave it up to our readers what music they fall in love with - I think it's cutting short the power of music (especially this album) to call it anything else.

-To call it anything else? What is that anything else?

-I said I was trying to ruffle feathers, I did just that.

-I would say the latter half of this statement is worded funny. "...no disilluions that there are not those out there..." does not quite make sense to me. i get what you are trying to tell me but it comes out in one huge mess. Therefore, It is now my turn to scratch my head at you because I don't care what you like and we, most likely, have some tastes that overlap. I just don't think this album is worthy of perfection status. That statement may have been a bit brash on your part, but are my statements as well? As you can see I do not lack the ability to know I may be wrong. Funny thought, ey?

I like that you quoted Emerson. Good point and I like it, very much so. It is a bit scathing though while a very good defense for you. You take a criticism class? I personally favor Edmund Burke and his thoughts on Taste, but I don't think it is as well chosen as yours:
"The cause of a wrong taste is a defect of judgment. And this may arise from a natural weakness of understanding, (in whatever the strength of that faculty may consist,) or, which is much more commonly the case, it may arise from a want of proper and well-directed exercise, which alone can make it strong and ready. Besides that ignorance, inattention, prejudice, rashness, levity, obstinacy, in short, all those passions, and all those vices, which pervert the judgment in other matters, prejudice it no less in this its more refined and elegant province. These causes produce different opinions upon everything which is an object of the understanding, without inducing us to suppose that there are no settled principles of reason."

And his thoughts on beauty when it comes to perfection:
"THERE is another notion current, pretty closely allied to the former; that Perfection is the constituent cause of beauty. This opinion has been made to extend much further than to sensible objects. But in these, so far is perfection, considered as such, from being the cause of beauty, that this quality, where it is highest, in the female sex, almost always carries with it an idea of weakness and imperfection." In other words, perfection does not make something beautiful.


I do love a good debate. I geuss the one on Taste could be used for either one of us but I really like Burke so I am taking it.

I feel that you may think that I do not know the power of music; I am fully aware of its power. Look at the extent to which we are going to prove a point on a message board over it. Who quotes critics on a message board (not the entertainment type)? People get mad about this stuff when they love it, that's power. I would be the same way as you if you insulted one of my favorite CDs. Don't think that I am not aware of the power and passion that comes from this stuff.

[edit] I am going to go through your listening thing. Either to eat my words or bask in thier glory. We'll see.

[youcomebeforeyo]

I can in some ways see how this came off as a 2.5, I gave the album on my site a 3.5.

I think you need to understand Thrice and its back catalouge to appreciate this album more. That said the review was pathetic.

[number1alien]

OMG! Someone didn't like the new Thrice! OMG he's stupid! Let's gang up on him and beat him up until he likes it!

Fuck, get over yourselves. Not everyone is going to like Vheissu.

[Princess died]

It's actually quite amusing... I wonder about some of these so called music critics.

[Nigel]

Mo' Money, Mo' 40z
Wasting Time
Destination Unknown
Mest (Self-Titled)


...so it's their 5th.
your avatar is scary

on topic: what's the big deal? we should be handing out oscar here for dramaqueens.
You like the cd it's all that matters, go buy the cd and support the band. You don't like the cd, that's also fine, don't buy it. No need to bash or make stupid comments to those who love the cd

[Chemical Love]

That guy has no clue what hes talking about.

[IAPAI]

Wow! They can kiss any credibility they might've had out the window.

Yeah, the credibility of the New York Times was really damaged because of their opinion of music. Let's not be too overdramatic.

[DroppedUrPocket]

Come on dude!!! Read up at Punknews. We cover the shit you like.. BOTH My Chemical Romance AND Panic! At the Disco!

Oh, my pride!

ck yr elitism @ the door plz.

[eml182]

While the Mest CD is actually terrible, I was not impressed with Thrice all that much. Maybe I have to be in the mood, but it is pretty unoriginal.

[alxneindecember]

nice one, thrice is 2.5/5 at the very most

[Bruycker]

While the Mest CD is actually terrible, I was not impressed with Thrice all that much. Maybe I have to be in the mood, but it is pretty unoriginal.
dude, i was remaining calm , i didn't post anything in this thread... but why is everyone complaining ?because they changed so much ---> they are being original and are making the music they like... and btw original is a bad word , if you like making music and you feel good with it, then you're using your talents , and some people have more talents then the others, i won't bring any band down, except the bands which can't remain true to themselves and just want to be famous , i love thrice and i love this disc, you can say that you don't like it , but you can't blame them for not being original

[smelltheglove]

was that review real? emo, numetal? sounded like a 10 year old reviewed it. holy fucking pigeonholeing and condecending batman.

and the new thrice is amazing. probably their best album, at least on par w/ the last 2 in a different kind of way. doesnt get much better than 'for miles' or 'red sky'. and 'the earth will shake'?? did the reviewer even listen to it, or just 'hear' it?

havent heard the new mest but those 2 songs on their whatever page sound like fuckin crapola.

in other news, the new allister is a great pop punk cd. better than 'cartel' *ducks* but that album rulz the skool too.

fuck all yall bitches

oh and jason, i frequent punknews as much as here and i can say that 'cartel' actually got a favorable review AND most of us shithead regulars are saying its pretty good.

panic! oln the other hand...got ripped a new asshole rightly so. fall out boy w/ some dance beats thrown in w/ autotuned vocals out the ass and faux-clever lyrics do not a good band make.

oh and i agree...much like many great albums, the first few times through thrice it might not click...but when it does..watch out!

i felt the same way about say anything last year. truley, i didnt like it on first listen. or deja entendu. well i liked that on first listen, but its awesomeness didnt really hit me til the 4th or 5th.

[satanisanerd]

How the heck did Mest get a higher score than Thrice? Mest is the epitome of crap.

[eml182]

It is not original at all. I could compare a lot of those tracks to No Motiv's daylight breaking (see Like Moths To Flame), which also wasn't original. Hell, "Image of the invisible" which I like, compares itself to Story Of The Year's (also completely unorginal) "We Don't Care Anymore". I respect them for what they did here, but it is nothing groundbreaking.

And for those who say nothing is groundbreaking anymore, well you're right. I just found this album boring, and I was a strong advocate on facetofacemusic.com when they released Ignorance Is Bliss years back. So I am not against change, this just doesn't do it for me. Sue me.

[Jason Tate]

nice one, thrice is 2.5/5 at the very most
Underminded has to be at a negative number then..

jason, i'm not saying you're wrong for likeing the album, nor is anyone else. it just gets kind of sickening when no matter what thrice story is posted, it gets over 100 comments all saying pretty much the same thing. "album of the year" "best album ever" "if you don't like it, there's something wrong with you" ...just the mere fact that some man from the new york post said he didn't like it and caused this much chaos is just wrong. i'm getting sick of this album because everyone won't shut up about it. can you blame me for thinking it's overhyped on here?
Actually, yes, because by your own admission, you really only dislike it because a bunch of others are passionate about it.

[duffe]

Wow these reviews suck.

[DroppedUrPocket]

Wow these reviews suck.

Haha

:thumbsup:

[growingfungus]

they probably reviewed it that way since thrice's album wasnt good, and mest's wasnt that great, but slightly better...