No New Acceptance Video Yet

[Frank Giaramita]

A while back I made a post (http://www.absolutepunk.net/showthread.php?t=88370) about Acceptance (www.acceptancemusic.com) shooting a video for their netx single, "So Contagious". It turns out this video got very far into the process. Budget, Treatment, Location, etc... then Columbia decided Acceptance wasn't getting money for it at this time. Sorry for the confusion.

[Greg]

thats freaking gay

Columbia you suck

[crit]

Bummer.

[SwedishHeat]

Didn't we hear a long time ago that Columbia was dumping a whole bunch of money/promotion, etc into this record??

Or did they already and they aren't seeing the results they want, hence no money for a new video??

[Fury15]

I'm so pissed. That's my favorite song off Phantoms.

[underoathfob55]

this video will make columbia money because it will have big radio success

[TheWoj]

this video will make columbia money because it will have big radio success
agreed. they're only shooting themselves in the foot on this one.

[Suyeda]

What a disappointment. :(

[_all_star_me_]

that sucks. poor guys. i guess thats how major labels work. i really wish their sales were better, because they are a great band. to be honest, i didnt see much promotion on columbia's part. or was it just me?

[Vil de Locke]

Nay. Wait a second: that was a not so brillant decision..
They should tour a bit again, then shoot a video for "take cover", then World domination begins..
So Contagious is a perfect 3rd single..

[druck]

Fuck you Columbia. Acceptance should've released this album on The Milita Group, and then their next one on a major. They probably would've been better off that way.

However, I think they should be making Take Cover or In The Cold the next single anyways. So Contagious falls in the same boat that Different did, and it didn't catch on.

[Joolez82]

I'm so pissed. That's my favorite song off Phantoms.
mine too. bummer :shake:

[Rohan Kohli]

I still don't understand why "Take Cover" wasn't the first single. Or the second single, for that matter.

[Steve Henderson]

Columbia is really crapping the bed with this band. Taking a group with huge mainstream appeal and doing nothing with them is an injustice to both parties, really. I feel bad for the guys.

[Scott Weber]

Unbelievable.

[Steve Henderson]

I still don't understand why "Take Cover" wasn't the first single. Or the second single, for that matter.
No kidding. I had read somewhere that it was going to be coming out as a single in September - turns out that wasn't true. I think "Take Cover" is the best song released this year.

[steve-0]

ive said it before and Ill say it again, i have no idea how this band isnt huge. Their album is fantastic and I would think it would have tremendous commercial appeal.

[Vil de Locke]

Is someone able to tell us what's happening with these guys?Columbia??Hello??

[mavfan321]

Goes to show that Major's don't always mean a sure thing to get what you need done. Plus there is no such thing as equal oppurtunity screw them.

[Steve Henderson]

ive said it before and Ill say it again, i have no idea how this band isnt huge. Their album is fantastic and I would think it would have tremendous commercial appeal.
Bad marketing.

"Different" is a great song, but not a first single. Just think if Hoobastank had released "The Reason" as their first single ever. It is harder to appreciate a band's ballads until you have heard them rock out. Decisions like this don't help either.

Columbia also messed up with Midtown too. That band ought to be way bigger than they are.

[Ruggiero2oo8]

well isn't columbia just the smartest label ever. :shake:

[Anton Djamoos]

Columbia is doing this album a huge injustice. It deserves to be heard. "Take Cover" should have been the single all along.

First screwing over a great album by Midtown and now Acceptance...come on Columbia, give them a chance.

[zach26]

screw columbia.

[takingback2005]

what did you expect? going to a major label is a dumb idea!!!

[kevanu]

columbia is teh lose

[Steve Henderson]

what did you expect? going to a major label is a dumb idea!!!
Tell that to FOB, MCR, and Coheed.

[sonicthehedgeho]

and why do all the indie bands want to sign to major labels again?


freakin retarded

[xearlynovemberx]

columbia sucks a load of fat dick for pulling this

[Aileen]

there's always so much more to the story than you people ever realize

[steve-0]

there's always so much more to the story than you people ever realize
enlighten us

[LTJ182]

there's always so much more to the story than you people ever realize

Please shed some light in this case....

BUT:
I never was an acceptance fan, then went to that TAKE COVER tour (coincidental) got the Phantoms record, and think its incredible... Hopefully it all gets worked out and the band gets another push

[IAPAI]

Why is it that certain albums have such shitty songs picked as their singles? I mean, Different was no first single, and while So Contagious is my favourite song on the album, Take Cover likely would have taken the band to a much higher level than Different did.

[eXcivory]

there's always so much more to the story than you people ever realize
while in theory you are correct....in this situation Im pretty sure that what is happening is perfectly normal in that Columbia had certain goals set for Acceptance as far as funding was going to go, and Im positive Acceptance didnt hit them with their numbers, and so Columbia is pulling back. There is a chance that I am wrong, but Im pretty sure this is a clear cut case, and what I thought would happen all along once they got onboard w Columbia.

[Steve Henderson]

while in theory you are correct....in this situation Im pretty sure that what is happening is perfectly normal in that Columbia had certain goals set for Acceptance as far as funding was going to go, and Im positive Acceptance didnt hit them with their numbers, and so Columbia is pulling back. There is a chance that I am wrong, but Im pretty sure this is a clear cut case, and what I thought would happen all along once they got onboard w Columbia.
Case of the chicken and the egg...Columbia is not pushing them because they havent hit numbers and they are not selling because Columbia is not marketing them right...damn catch 22.

[Aileen]

i always get in some sort of trouble for opening my fat mouth on this damn website. anyway, without getting into detail half of acceptance's a&r team is no longer at columbia. if you know anything about the structure of a label, you can imagine how that would have an effect on the decision making behind budgets for recording and making videos. the a&r person is an artist's biggest fan, without them, well... it's going to be difficult.

[Steve Henderson]

i always get in some sort of trouble for opening my fat mouth on this damn website. anyway, without getting into detail half of acceptance's a&r team is no longer at columbia. if you know anything about the structure of a label, you can imagine how that would have an effect on the decision making behind budgets for recording and making videos. the a&r person is an artist's biggest fan, without them, well... it's going to be difficult.

That is a good call, and very interesting to know.

Upbeet love (assuming it is you) :)

[Frank Giaramita]

I think it's absolutely retarded that people are bashing Columbia for this. For all you know, Columbia could be putting this money towards more important stuff. Nobody really knows the situation or the circumstances or where the money is being put, so nobody is really subject to judge. There's actually other things that require money other then music videos and maybe Columbia felt this other stuff was more important. Who the fuck knows.

For all we know, Columbia could've bought Acceptance a tour bus and a fucking house with this money. Nobody knows, but obviously this money isn't ust being thrown away. I'm sure it's going into other Acceptance-related stuff. I hate how people are so quick to judge, as if a music video is the most important thing in the world and as if there's nothing else that requires money.

[Steve Henderson]

I think it's absolutely retarded that people are bashing Columbia for this. For all you know, Columbia could be putting this money towards more important stuff. Nobody really knows the situation or the circumstances or where the money is being put, so nobody is really subject to judge. There's actually other things that require money other then music videos and maybe Columbia felt this other stuff was more important. Who the fuck knows.
Well, didn't the label choose the lead single and whore it out to commercials and TV theme songs? Sure it worked for Phantom Planet with the OC, but when your song is the theme for a show about weight loss, it is hard to have any cred. Acceptance is selling like an indie record because it is being marketed like one. Columbia is not all to blame, but surely at least in part.

[Frank Giaramita]

Well, didn't the label choose the lead single and whore it out to commercials and TV theme songs? Sure it worked for Phantom Planet with the OC, but when your song is the theme for a show about weight loss, it is hard to have any cred. Acceptance is selling like an indie record because it is being marketed like one. Columbia is not all to blame, but surely at least in part.

Every single artist you can name (within reason) has tried to whore out their songs to commercials and TV theme songs. A label would be idiotic to not seize an oppurtunity for their artists to be on TV, regardless of anything.

[Web250]

Damn major label bastards.

This is a grade A album...which is only getting 10-20% of the respect it deserves

[Frank Giaramita]

I just think everyone is too quick to bash major labels.

Gratitude had a ridiculously hard push from Atlantic... and they flopped.

There's a million recors out there that should've been huge but havent. Shit happens and not everything catches on... don't be so quick to point a finger at the easy target.

[Steve Henderson]

Every single artist you can name (within reason) has tried to whore out their songs to commercials and TV theme songs. A label would be idiotic to not seize an oppurtunity for their artists to be on TV, regardless of anything.
Sure, but it would be a lot better to have "Take Cover" on a commercial about umbrellas or some shit than "Different" for a show about fat people. "Different" is not going to jump out and grab anyone - the choice of that is more my problem than this. Sure, I am not an insider and don't know the proverbial "full story" but I know enough about music and marketing to know that in general, Columbia is not doing well with this. AT ALL.

[Kram41]

Un-fucking-believable.
So yeah, anyone who hasn't bought Phantoms yet, get on that immediately. Columbia really has failed so far with this CD, it definitely has the potential to be a gold, if not platinum album pretty easily.

[Steve Henderson]

I just think everyone is too quick to bash major labels.

Gratitude had a ridiculously hard push from Atlantic... and they flopped.

There's a million recors out there that should've been huge but havent. Shit happens and not everything catches on... don't be so quick to point a finger at the easy target.

I think they're pretty good, but Gratitude doesn't have half the mainstream appeal of Acceptance.

[Frank Giaramita]

Sure, but it would be a lot better to have "Take Cover" on a commercial about umbrellas or some shit than "Different" for a show about fat people. "Different" is not going to jump out and grab anyone - the choice of that is more my problem than this. Sure, I am not an insider and don't know the proverbial "full story" but I know enough about music and marketing to know that in general, Columbia is not doing well with this. AT ALL.

How do you know Columbia isn't doing well with this? Based on sales #s?

There's a lot more to this than just Columbia Records.

One example being... Acceptance have never landed a large tour up until this point in time. That has nothing to do with Columbia, that has to do with their agent and management.

Placing the blame solely on the record label is the easy way out. Has it ever occured to you that maybe Acceptance just aren't accepted by mainstream audiences as well as Columbia, the band, the management and everybody else invovled, anticipated they would? You can't feed a product to a group of people who want nothing to do with it.

I think they're pretty good, but Gratitude doesn't have half the mainstream appeal of Acceptance.
I disagree, 100%.

Their first single "Last" is about as catchy as a song can be, in my opinion.

[Steve Henderson]

How do you know Columbia isn't doing well with this? Based on sales #s?

There's a lot more to this than just Columbia Records.

One example being... Acceptance have never landed a large tour up until this point in time. That has nothing to do with Columbia, that has to do with their agent and management.

Placing the blame solely on the record label is the easy way out. Has it ever occured to you that maybe Acceptance just aren't accepted by mainstream audiences as well as Columbia, the band, the management and everybody else invovled, anticipated they would? You can't feed a product to a group of people who want nothing to do with it.

Well, I will assume you are saying before the current tour will Yellowcard, because while it is a club tour, that is a pretty expansive audience they are going to reach. As for what the public would like, I tend to submit albums I get to what I call the "girlfriend test." If I put in a CD in my car, and my girlfriend asks who it is, then it has mainstream appeal. Cartel, FOB (with TTTYG even), P!ATD, and Acceptance are just a few to pass this test. Put on "Take Cover" for 100 people, and I guarantee 75% or more would eat it up. I see where you are coming from, but I really think they should be huge, and it is in Columbia's power to make that happen. Who knows, though.

[bren4553]

I heard columbia spent some ridiculous amount of money to rerecord "different" with a big name producer so they could get some name recognition with it, but didn't like it so they went back to using aaron sprinkles version

[Frank Giaramita]

Well, I will assume you are saying before the current tour will Yellowcard, because while it is a club tour, that is a pretty expansive audience they are going to reach. As for what the public would like, I tend to submit albums I get to what I call the "girlfriend test." If I put in a CD in my car, and my girlfriend asks who it is, then it has mainstream appeal. Cartel, FOB (with TTTYG even), P!ATD, and Acceptance are just a few to pass this test. Put on "Take Cover" for 100 people, and I guarantee 75% or more would eat it up. I see where you are coming from, but I really think they should be huge, and it is in Columbia's power to make that happen. Who knows, though.

You have the nerve to put Acceptance in the same sentence as Fall Out Boy, Cartel and Panic! At The Disco? That's absurd. Can you imagine Acceptance getting #1 on TRL? I sure as hell can't. Putting Acceptance in the same sentence as those bands is like putting Coldplay in the same sentence as Godsmack.

I'm not defending Columbia Records at all, I'm simply saying, unless you know the full story and unless you know where every single dollar is being put and shifted around, I don't feel you're in a place to judge this whole video situation.

I just think people need to realize a little more that sometimes things just don't work out, for whatever reason. There's other people involved besides just the band and the record label... these "other" people also play a crucial role in a band's success (or lack of) and I think they're overlooked greatly because they're not as an easy target like a label is.

[Scott Weber]

I disagree, 100%.

Their first single "Last" is about as catchy as a song can be, in my opinion.
Nah, I agree with Rico. It's not just about the music, images sell too. Acceptance has the image...an up and coming pop-punk type band, which is what's hot right now. Jonah is like 35 or something, and Gratitude doesn't have that appeal that Acceptance does. Not to mention Phantoms is a far better album, in my opinion.

[LeftWideOpen]

if acceptance were going to hit it big, i think Different was that oppurtunity. I disagree with those of you who say Columbia fucked this one up, because they did receive a pretty big push if you consider TV apperances and commercials, fans just didnt grab ahold of it. I don't think So Contagious, or any Acceptance song for that matter, would change this. They don't get much more accessible than "Different". Sure, it may not be their best song ..but it was their best chance at blowing up.

[Frank Giaramita]

Nah, I agree with Rico. It's not just about the music, images sell too. Acceptance has the image...an up and coming pop-punk type band, which is what's hot right now. Jonah is like 35 or something, and Gratitude doesn't have that appeal that Acceptance does. Not to mention Phantoms is a far better album, in my opinion.
I disagree.

Acceptance's target audience is in the vein of Coldplay (especially their first single). Their style is most marketable to older audiences (look at Coldplay's audience). I think if Acceptance were in their early-mid 30's... it would help them out a great deal. Same thing goes for Gratitude.

I think young looking guys in mature sounding bands... doesn't work a majority of the time. I think if a band is young and good looking, they automatically and subconsciously get lumped in with the fanbase that Fall Out Boy / MCR / TRL have (the "scene" fan base)... which isn't a bad thing... but Acceptance doesn't have the songs to appeal to those people, in my opinion.

[steve-0]

I disagree.

Acceptance's target audience is in the vein of Coldplay (especially their first single). Their style is most marketable to older audiences (look at Coldplay's audience). I think if Acceptance were in their early-mid 30's... it would help them out a great deal. Same thing goes for Gratitude.

I think young looking guys in mature sounding bands... doesn't work a majority of the time. I think if a band is young and good looking, they automatically and subconsciously get lumped in with the fanbase that Fall Out Boy / MCR / TRL have (the "scene" fan base)... which isn't a bad thing... but Acceptance doesn't have the songs to appeal to those people, in my opinion.
i thought you were crazy early in the thread, but maybe youre onto something. They really dont fit in with the Fall Out Boy's of the world. The music is very similar, but it just doesn't have the same childish quality that FOB's music and lyrics have.

[moonlightcape]

So Contagious falls in the same boat that Different did, and it didn't catch on.
agreed upon.

[Frank Giaramita]

i thought you were crazy early in the thread, but maybe youre onto something. They really dont fit in with the Fall Out Boy's of the world. The music is very similar, but it just doesn't have the same childish quality that FOB's music and lyrics have.
This is my formula for image


Look at Coldplay's mature sounding music and look how old and mature they look-- their fan base is older and mature as well.
Look at Fall Out Boy's less mature sounding music and look how young they look--- their fan base is younger and less mature as well (I am not insulting anyone by this, sorry if it comes off that way)
Look at Acceptance's mature sounding music and how young they look--- their fan base is young as a result of them being young. Their fan base should be older and mature! Like Coldplay's! Their look makes them marketable to MTV-styled audiences, but their music doesn't appeal to the MTV-style, it's an issue. Their young look just doesn't match up with their older sound, and I think it's a large part of why they're lumped in with the "scene".

Of course, i'm not blaming their lack of success on looks solely, but I think it plays a role.

[Scott Weber]

I disagree.

Acceptance's target audience is in the vein of Coldplay (especially their first single). Their style is most marketable to older audiences (look at Coldplay's audience). I think if Acceptance were in their early-mid 30's... it would help them out a great deal. Same thing goes for Gratitude.

I think young looking guys in mature sounding bands... doesn't work a majority of the time. I think if a band is young and good looking, they automatically and subconsciously get lumped in with the fanbase that Fall Out Boy / MCR / TRL have (the "scene" fan base)... which isn't a bad thing... but Acceptance doesn't have the songs to appeal to those people, in my opinion.
I see where you're coming from, but I still disagree. I wouldn't put Acceptance and Coldplay in the same sentance at all. just because Acceptance's single was a piano based song doesn't mean all the Chris Martin lovers are going to run out and buy Acceptance's album, which has a ton of songs about relationships and girls...it's just different content than that pseudo-indie rock style of play. Acceptance's album is still essentially a pop-punk album, musically it's not much different from say, the new Starting Line record. While Acceptance is further away from the FOB extreme than a lot of other bands, that doesn't mean they're in the "indie-rock" category. I just don't see Acceptance targeting an older market than college kids. Obviously I've been to a lot of Acceptance shows, since they're from my home town, and while the crowd is older than most, it's still pretty darn young. I'm still just about the oldest person at every Acceptance show I go to. I think Acceptance could definitely hit the TRL crowd...remember, they were in Teen People and Elle Girl or something like that?

[Nigel]

It almost looks like someone got an angry email from Columbia

[Scott Weber]

This is my formula for image


Look at Coldplay's mature sounding music and look how old and mature they look-- their fan base is older and mature as well.
Look at Fall Out Boy's less mature sounding music and look how young they look--- their fan base is younger and less mature as well (I am not insulting anyone by this, sorry if it comes off that way)
Look at Acceptance's mature sounding music and how young they look--- their fan base is young as a result of them being young. Their fan base should be older and mature! Like Coldplay's! Their look makes them marketable to MTV-styled audiences, but their music doesn't appeal to the MTV-style, it's an issue. Their young look just doesn't match up with their older sound, and I think it's a large part of why they're lumped in with the "scene".

Of course, i'm not blaming their lack of success on looks solely, but I think it plays a role.
Although I addressed most of this, I just really don't think their music fits an older crowd. It's still pop-rock about relationships...this isn't and will never be a style of music that will appeal to those over 30. I think their age matches their sound...mid 20's.

[albatrossxivy]

wow they keep getting fucked over
i cant handle it.

[Frank Giaramita]

Although I addressed most of this, I just really don't think their music fits an older crowd. It's still pop-rock about relationships...this isn't and will never be a style of music that will appeal to those over 30. I think their age matches their sound...mid 20's.
Yeah, I really can't agree with that. "Different" was 100% marketable to Coldplay-aged audience. No doubt in my mind, that if Coldplay would've written that song, it would've been more popular strictly because of their image.

Also... U2 writes songs about relationships... look where they are. I don't think lyric content really effects a band's target audience too much (within reason of course--Simple Plan's lyrics are not "within reason" haha).

[Nigel]

Yeah, I really can't agree with that. "Different" was 100% marketable to Coldplay-aged audience. No doubt in my mind, that if Coldplay would've written that song, it would've been more popular strictly because of their image.

Also... U2 writes songs about relationships... look where they are. I don't think lyric content really effects a band's target audience too much (within reason of course--Simple Plan's lyrics are not "within reason" haha).
That's true..or maybe it has to do with how their Label handle their business

[Scott Weber]

Yeah, I really can't agree with that. "Different" was 100% marketable to Coldplay-aged audience. No doubt in my mind, that if Coldplay would've written that song, it would've been more popular strictly because of their image.

Also... U2 writes songs about relationships... look where they are. I don't think lyric content really effects a band's target audience too much (within reason of course--Simple Plan's lyrics are not "within reason" haha).
Jason Vena does not look like Chris Martin...end of story. Wouldn't work to mid-30's audience. U2 doesn't write pop-punk either. When was the last time you saw a pop-punk band (essentially what Acceptance is) successful to a crowd over 25?

Whatever. It's kind of a moot point anyways.

[piaffeprncess98]

I feel the same way Scott, I'm almost 19 and I feel old at their shows. I can't wait until Yellowcard, then I probably will be the oldest. It's too bad we'll have to wait for a video.

[Aileen]

frankie g, i miss you


upbeet - hollaaa

[Frank Giaramita]

This is my overall point, and Scott has helped prove it for me.

The band has been in Ellegirl and Teen People, they have been in teen magazines and it HASN'T WORKED (obviously). They are being marketed to teens and younger audiences (as Scott stated before, he is the oldest at their shows) and I don't think that's how it should be (obviously it shouldn't be that way, because it hasn't worked). Everyone in this thread is disagreeing with me and saying, "They should be marketed to MTV mainstream crowds"... well, they are ( as you can see by Ellegirl and Teen People) and it hasn't done much, has it? Obviously marketing to the "MTV crowd" isn't working, so what I am saying is...try marketing to an older audience, like Coldplay's or something more mature because the younger people aren't biting. It's worth a shot, isnt it?

[Scott Weber]

This is my overall point, and Scott has helped prove it for me.

The band has been in Ellegirl and Teen People, they have been in teen magazines and it HASN'T WORKED (obviously). They are being marketed to teens and younger audiences (as Scott stated before, he is the oldest at their shows) and I don't think that's how it should be (obviously it shouldn't be that way, because it hasn't worked). Everyone in this thread is disagreeing with me and saying, "They should be marketed to MTV mainstream crowds"... well, they are ( as you can see by Ellegirl and Teen People) and it hasn't done much, has it? Obviously marketing to the "MTV crowd" isn't working, so what I am saying is...try marketing to an older audience, like Coldplay's or something more mature because the younger people aren't biting. It's worth a shot, isnt it?
I hear your point, I think it's valid, but I don't think the reasoning behind it all is how they're being marketed, I think it's a) the single choice and video, and b) the timing of it. I definitely see your point though.

[LTJ182]

i always get in some sort of trouble for opening my fat mouth on this damn website. anyway, without getting into detail half of acceptance's a&r team is no longer at columbia. if you know anything about the structure of a label, you can imagine how that would have an effect on the decision making behind budgets for recording and making videos. the a&r person is an artist's biggest fan, without them, well... it's going to be difficult.

sounds like MxPx to me with Before Everything and After...That record was tits and got no push. their crew was dumped with the merger

[mediocrgreenday]

damn thats horrible

[when 4ever ends]

Columbia is really crapping the bed with this band. Taking a group with huge mainstream appeal and doing nothing with them is an injustice to both parties, really. I feel bad for the guys.
agreed man.

Columbia: :eatshort:

[thisisrightnow]

Suuuck.

[when 4ever ends]

well isn't columbia just the smartest label ever. :shake:
victory?

[konstantine94]

i just think they needed a catchier single. take cover or over you.

[rewindthistime]

of course people are going to blame the label. they give no reason as to where this money was shifted.

also, i think it's really bizarre that the video got so far into the process and then was just halted, no explanation.

[boekebong]

victory?

You can (and should) argue that Victory are creeps, but they are incredibly successful at what they do.