Acceptance Petition

[Frank Giaramita]

Someone decided to start a petition (http://www.petitionspot.com/petitions/ColumbiaWakeTheFuckUp), begging Columbia Records (www.columbiarecords.com) to get on board with Acceptance (www.acceptancerock.com)'s latest album, Phantoms. The petition is for anybody who feels that Phantoms is one of the greatest albums of the year, and deserves a bigger push from Columbia. It's also for anybody who feels that "Take Cover" should've been the band's first single, or at least the next.

Submitted By FredInMyBedx

[reductiondesign]

Hahaha, I love the title in the link.

Signed.

[gerstnej]

For them to be negligent, is ghetto. I love Acceptance and want them to succed. I will sign

[last light]

it should be pushed more for sure.

[xearlynovemberx]

this band is SOOOOOOOOO good and so deserving of alot more sucess

[Everiggs]

Columbia signed them, thinking they were the next big thing. The album lived up to its potential, but it's like Columbia totally forgot about them. They could be big like Fall out Boy and My Chemical Romance...It's just a matter of promotion.

[nulemoni]

I'm sure it would make much more of an impact if everyone that signs it would go out and buy a copy of the cd instead of adding their name to the list.

[LPMagic]

I'm sure it would make much more of an impact if everyone that signs it would go out and buy a copy of the cd instead of adding their name to the list.
Well said. No offense, but this petition will do nothing.

- Jeff

[slickwataris]

talk about whiny

[ThatGirl]

I'm sure it would make much more of an impact if everyone that signs it would go out and buy a copy of the cd instead of adding their name to the list.I immagine most people already have the album if they're signing it. I know I do.

[SLADE775]

I have mixed feelings about this.



That album was heavily overproduced.

But I do want them to be successfull. Black lines is one of my favorite eps.

[psykosteve]

I'm sure it would make much more of an impact if everyone that signs it would go out and buy a copy of the cd instead of adding their name to the list.

Thats what I was about to say.

If they could sell a record Columbia wouldn't be forgetting about them.

[LPMagic]

I immagine most people already have the album if they're signing it. I know I do.
Having it's not the issue, BUYING it is.

- Jeff

[The Fix]

Ok i'm going to say this one more time...

this band, and this album is...BOOOOOOOOOOOORINGGGGGGGGGGGGGG GGGGG

deal with it, quit whining about underpromotion and low numbers...if it was good, people would find out about it...fact is, it's not

[Frank Giaramita]

Well said. No offense, but this petition will do nothing.

- Jeff
Id say about 99% of the petitions in the world do nothing, but it feels good to express an opinion with other people backing, agreeing and supporting the same ideas. Petitions or more like a sign of caring and supporting more than anything, at least in my opinion.

[coandca33]

i wonder how many copies this album as sold to date...

[Frank Giaramita]

Ok i'm going to say this one more time...

this band, and this album is...BOOOOOOOOOOOORINGGGGGGGGGGGGGG GGGGG

deal with it, quit whining about underpromotion and low numbers...if it was good, people would find out about it...fact is, it's not
I respect your opinion totally. If you don't dig it, you don't dig it. However, I don't agree with this statement "if it was good, people would find out about it". There's a million incredible bands who never break out of their garages and never break into mainstream success (Anathallo)... does it mean they aren't "good"... hell no. If you use the success of a band to determine what's "good" and "not good"... Anathallo must suck.

I disgaree with that strongly.

[LPMagic]

Id say about 99% of the petitions in the world do nothing, but it feels good to express an opinion with other people backing, agreeing and supporting the same ideas. Petitions or more like a sign of caring and supporting more than anything, at least in my opinion.
I understand what you're saying but I'm just saying in this case, actions speak louder than words. Rather than "signing" a random internet petition, people could be spreading the word on the band, buying the album, going to shows, getting merch, etc. Yeah it gives you a good feeling to express an opinion, especially when there's dozens / hundreds of people who share that opinion, but in the long run it's just good intentions that will bring little progress compared to the things I mentioned before.

- Jeff

[reductiondesign]

I think the copy-protection is keeping their numbers down. Terrible idea.

[Frank Giaramita]

I understand what you're saying but I'm just saying in this case, actions speak louder than words. Rather than "signing" a random internet petition, people could be spreading the word on the band, buying the album, going to shows, getting merch, etc. Yeah it gives you a good feeling to express an opinion, especially when there's dozens / hundreds of people who share that opinion, but in the long run it's just good intentions that will bring little progress compared to the things I mentioned before.

- Jeff
Well, for all we know, everyone who signed this petition could've bought 5 copies of the album each... it wouldn't change the fact that the push hasn't been there and that the sales are still low.

[xearlynovemberx]

Id say about 99% of the petitions in the world do nothing, but it feels good to express an opinion with other people backing, agreeing and supporting the same ideas. Petitions or more like a sign of caring and supporting more than anything, at least in my opinion.
last year my ex gf died in a car crash and it seems every year around the same date some1 dies in the same exact area thousands of people signed a petition to put a light up at that area and they didnt do shit about it sad thing is one of her relatives is on the coucnil and didnt push for this light

[ThatGirl]

Having it's not the issue, BUYING it is.

- JeffThats what I meant. I bought the album. From School Kids. A month ago. Im a pretty strong beliver in buying any album you want. I dont really do the whole file sharing thing. So I support all bands. And I bought this one.

[Sureshot182]

the leak and lack of promotion is why this cd isn't huge. acceptance also doesn't have the quirk that fob and mcr have. they are a good band, but they are straight up pop and they don't wear tons of makeup. it sucks it comes down to that, but hey.

[Frank Giaramita]

last year my ex gf died in a car crash and it seems every year around the same date some1 dies in the same exact area thousands of people signed a petition to put a light up at that area and they didnt do shit about it sad thing is one of her relatives is on the coucnil and didnt push for this light
I paralyzed a girl and put a guy into coma due to a stop sign that shouldve' been at an intersection but never was, The van flipped 4 times and landed on teh front lawn of a house, and my Mustang was totalled. A petition didn't do shit either, a month later someone was killed at the same intersection.

I just felt much better afterwards, knowing there was over a thousand people standing behind me and signing this petition. It felt nice.

[LPMagic]

Well, for all weknow, everyone who signed this petition could've bought 5 copies of the album each... it wouldn't change the fact that the push hasn't been there and that the sales are still low.
I can't imagine this petition helping low sales, but I guess I'll drop it and say good luck. Acceptance is a good band and deserves the success.

A little off topic, but I played NFL Street 2 the other day and they have a song on the soundtrack... which got me thinking just now. How could Columbia get a song on an EA Sports soundtrack before Fall 2004, yet stop pushing in 2005? Someone in marketing should be slapped.

- Jeff

[Everiggs]

the leak and lack of promotion is why this cd isn't huge. acceptance also doesn't have the quirk that fob and mcr have. they are a good band, but they are straight up pop and they don't wear tons of makeup. it sucks it comes down to that, but hey. Popular music doesn't necessarily mean "quirky". Acceptance is infinitely talented, and it shows on the CD and during their live set. Their songs have potential to catch people's attention, it's just that they have no outlets to do so.

*I got this CD the Tuesday it came out.

[xearlynovemberx]

I paralyzed a girl and put a guy into coma due to a stop sign that shouldve' been at an intersection but never was, The van flipped 4 times and landed on teh front lawn of a house, and my Mustang was totalled. A petition didn't do shit either, a month later someone was killed at the same intersection.

I just felt much better afterwards, knowing there was over a thousand people standing behind me and signing this petition. It felt nice.
yeah i get what your saying a girl was killed by my house and 4 stops signs were put up but no petition was needed to be signed i mean if things repeat itself u think a light or a stop sign should be puit up

[Bucc4019]

why dont they just tell columbia themselves

[sayitinfurbish]

Look like they'll meet their goal of 200 sigs pretty quickly. I signed and agree with the link title.

[Mercy Medical]

I'm sure it would make much more of an impact if everyone that signs it would go out and buy a copy of the cd instead of adding their name to the list.
I already bought it. :)

[nulemoni]

I already bought it. :)
Go buy another one. It would make more of an impact than signing the patition.

[Mercy Medical]

Go buy another one. It would make more of an impact than signing the patition.
Except I don't need another one...

[LPMagic]

Except I don't need another one...
If anything, you should buy another copy of Send Us a Signal. Talk about albums that don't get the recognition they deserve.

- Jeff

[Four]

I agree.
And wether I think this will do anything or not, I will sign.

[robdobi]

guys, listen up, petitions DO work.

when i was in 4th grade there was a really mean bus driver, i mean REALLY mean, kids were afraid he was going to hit us.

if anyone acted up at all he would yell "YA'LL BETTAH SIT DOWN BACK DEH!" and for the rest of the bus ride everyone would be quiet. he often drank sprite while he was driving so we got all the kids on the bus to sign a petition, saying he was mean and he drank while he drove, and the principal listened to us and we soon got a new bus driver. she was wierd though and told us when you pushed her belly button she turned into a transformer.

[exidol]

this really has the people at Columbia pissed off. Looks like my prediction of them getting dropped is going to come true sooner than later.

[when 4ever ends]

I think the copy-protection is keeping their numbers down. Terrible idea.
thats why i didnt buy it.

:waits for omgzzz you sh0uld support da Band!::

yeah. i know, but why buy a cd i wont listen to.. i cant rip it to my computer to listen to my iPod. which is all i listen to.

[Sureshot182]

while we're on the topic of bands that deserve a push. PARK. lobster either doesn't realize what they have, or are just giving them the run around. they are one of the best bands around and don't get anywhere near the recognition they deserve.

[Ruehls]

columbia is terrible at promoting bands, they should have pushed Midtown - Forget What You Know and likewise they should push Acceptance - Phantoms and they aren't even pushing Coheed for that matter, get your heads out of your asses columbia, seriously!!!.......

[xearlynovemberx]

guys, listen up, petitions DO work.

when i was in 4th grade there was a really mean bus driver, i mean REALLY mean, kids were afraid he was going to hit us.

if anyone acted up at all he would yell "YA'LL BETTAH SIT DOWN BACK DEH!" and for the rest of the bus ride everyone would be quiet. he often drank sprite while he was driving so we got all the kids on the bus to sign a petition, saying he was mean and he drank while he drove, and the principal listened to us and we soon got a new bus driver. she was wierd though and told us when you pushed her belly button she turned into a transformer.
that truely is awesome:bigsmile:

[The Revisionist]

I'm sure a petition whose main line in the URL address is "Columbia Wake The Fuck Up" will be taken very seriously.

[splitsecond]

she was wierd though and told us when you pushed her belly button she turned into a transformer.

Every time I say something like that I either get slapped or arrested. Of course, it may be in part due to my lack of pants.

[when 4ever ends]

while we're on the topic of bands that deserve a push. PARK. lobster either doesn't realize what they have, or are just giving them the run around. they are one of the best bands around and don't get anywhere near the recognition they deserve.
lobster dosent really have the funds to really promote a band.. that well. its all word of mouth and shows on a smaller label.

[Sureshot182]

lobster dosent really have the funds to really promote a band.. that well. its all word of mouth and shows on a smaller label.
"that well" and not much at all are way different is all i'm saying.

[The Fix]

I respect your opinion totally. If you don't dig it, you don't dig it. However, I don't agree with this statement "if it was good, people would find out about it". There's a million incredible bands who never break out of their garages and never break into mainstream success (Anathallo)... does it mean they aren't "good"... hell no. If you use the success of a band to determine what's "good" and "not good"... Anathallo must suck.

I disgaree with that strongly.
well i didn't mean in a mainstream sense, but you do bring up a good point with anathallo...and touching on something someone else said earlier, i will give these guys credit for being gimmickless...they may be boring, but at least they won't stoop to going ghoul rock to sell a few records...so kudos to that i guess

[HolyCrapola]

I'm sure a petition whose main line in the URL address is "Columbia Wake The Fuck Up" will be taken very seriously.
Why wouldn't that be taken to heart? It's not like it says "DickCuntCockShitPissColumbiaFucking Suckzzzz". Although it has the word "fuck" in it, "fuck" is a word that holds a lot of meaning and expression when used in certain instances.

[when 4ever ends]

is it columbia its self or acceptances promoter?

dont bands have a promoter or does it all go through the label?

[Ruggiero2oo8]

guys, listen up, petitions DO work.

when i was in 4th grade there was a really mean bus driver, i mean REALLY mean, kids were afraid he was going to hit us.

if anyone acted up at all he would yell "YA'LL BETTAH SIT DOWN BACK DEH!" and for the rest of the bus ride everyone would be quiet. he often drank sprite while he was driving so we got all the kids on the bus to sign a petition, saying he was mean and he drank while he drove, and the principal listened to us and we soon got a new bus driver. she was wierd though and told us when you pushed her belly button she turned into a transformer.


hahhahhaha


i signed it.

[number1alien]

Wow.

That is probably one of the dumbest things I've ever seen.

[grnweenieag]

I paralyzed a girl and put a guy into coma due to a stop sign that shouldve' been at an intersection but never was, The van flipped 4 times and landed on teh front lawn of a house, and my Mustang was totalled. A petition didn't do shit either, a month later someone was killed at the same intersection.

I just felt much better afterwards, knowing there was over a thousand people standing behind me and signing this petition. It felt nice.
yeah...here in Illinois there are so many "cornfield corners" out in the country that people just fly through them without ever looking and I know multiple people who have had major accidents (luckily no deaths) going into these intersections when the corn is at its top height. Ive even seen stop signs that farmers made theirselves put up on roads around their land.

[sonicthehedgeho]

wasnt it acceptance who went over their budget for their video? major labels dont know how to treat INDIE bands thats why INDIE bands should stay on INDIE labels. oh my gosh everyones retarded

[Sureshot182]

yeah...here in Illinois there are so many "cornfield corners" out in the country that people just fly through them without ever looking and I know multiple people who have had major accidents (luckily no deaths) going into these intersections when the corn is at its top height. Ive even seen stop signs that farmers made theirselves put up on roads around their land.
yeah, that's why it's good to stop at every intersection you can't see through.

[(joeyman)]

haha i had this same idea as soon as i read that post that their new video was halted.

[Dan FiTH]

i love how there only trying to get 200 signatures. Like that would mean anything to columbia. My band can sell 200 cds or get 200 signatures. For those of you who said different wasn't a good signle i definately think it was the best choice to try and gain exposure. If that song would have been pushed harder they could have blown up.

[Pooavenger]

why don't they just go to an indie label and start from there. if it's not meant to happen then it's not meant to happen. every band can't be a huge band.

[kidsrdumb]

in the time it took you guys to tell someone not to sign you could have just signed it.. you never know.. and whoever that dude is that said if it was good people would find it and buy it, what the heck is the deal with hawthorn heithgs then??

[LPMagic]

in the time it took you guys to tell someone not to sign you could have just signed it.. you never know.. and whoever that dude is that said if it was good people would find it and buy it, what the heck is the deal with hawthorn heithgs then??
I don't think anyone has said "don't sign it."

- Jeff

[Louballs]

Newsflash: Labels can't afford to "push" every band they sign "heavily." They certainly can't afford to push every band that you and your friends happen to think is "amazing." I think just about every motherfucker on this site has a different "amazing" band that they think "totally rules." Guess what: half of 'em suck, at least to the general populace. Just because you dig the newest Drive-Thru rip-off band doesn't mean everyone else will. The people who are in the best position to guess what the most people will like are--ta-dah!--record labels. They see what sells. So petitions aren't gonna get the labels to put more promotion $$$ into a particular album, they just (implicitly) tell the label that there's even less reason to promote it: people are already supporting it.

[xbrokendownx]

i love this band! wooo acceptance

[Steve Henderson]

I respect your opinion totally. If you don't dig it, you don't dig it. However, I don't agree with this statement "if it was good, people would find out about it". There's a million incredible bands who never break out of their garages and never break into mainstream success (Anathallo)... does it mean they aren't "good"... hell no. If you use the success of a band to determine what's "good" and "not good"... Anathallo must suck.

I disgaree with that strongly.
I had never gotten around to checking out Anathallo before, but I did just now on your recommendation. Good stuff...I had heard a song of theirs before on Indie Access Radio, but didn't know who it was, so thanks! :)

[Scott Weber]

ashmack is gonna be pissed when she reads this. haha.

[steve-0]

this really has the people at Columbia pissed off. Looks like my prediction of them getting dropped is going to come true sooner than later.
i cant tell if youre being sarcastic or not. is it really pissing them off? theres like 150 people who have signed it. I wouldnt think they would care that much

[when 4ever ends]

ashmack is gonna be pissed when she reads this. haha.
huh?

[derricklc22]

Id say about 99% of the petitions in the world do nothing, but it feels good to express an opinion with other people backing, agreeing and supporting the same ideas. Petitions or more like a sign of caring and supporting more than anything, at least in my opinion.
I bought a copy of the cd. I think it really hurt this cd that it leaked so early.

[HolyCrapola]

Newsflash: Labels can't afford to "push" every band they sign "heavily." They certainly can't afford to push every band that you and your friends happen to think is "amazing." I think just about every motherfucker on this site has a different "amazing" band that they think "totally rules." Guess what: half of 'em suck, at least to the general populace. Just because you dig the newest Drive-Thru rip-off band doesn't mean everyone else will. The people who are in the best position to guess what the most people will like are--ta-dah!--record labels. They see what sells. So petitions aren't gonna get the labels to put more promotion $$$ into a particular album, they just (implicitly) tell the label that there's even less reason to promote it: people are already supporting it. How the hell can you say a label is in the best position to see if kids like a band when the label hasn't even pushed the band enough so that kids even know they exist?

They certainly can't afford to push every band that you and your friends happen to think is "amazing".

Actually, most of my friends haven't heard of this band... and I think that's part of the reasoning behind this petition.


"petitions aren't gonna get the labels to put more promotion $$$ into a particular album, they just (implicitly) tell the label that there's even less reason to promote it: people are already supporting it."

In case you haven't realized, Acceptance's #'s are disgraceful. You're telling me that a label would OVERLOOK the soundscan numbers and say..."Hmm, maybe we shouldn't put more money into this band, because 200 kids signed this petition and 200 kids support them". Are you joking? The soundscan #s are enough to tell Columbia that their push is non-existant, I highly doubt a petition of 200+ kids would do anything except hammer that point home. It's sure as hell not going to have the reverse effect, unless 750k people end up signing it... then maybe I'd see your point.

[steve-0]

seriously how many records has this album sold?

[when 4ever ends]

seriously how many records has this album sold?
its really pathetic.. im not sure how many.. but its really bad .

i think

1) release date & time of te album being released
2) single- borrrrrrrring. no one wants a ballad as their first single. their first single was "Different". am i correct?
3) copyright protection on the cd and the leaking of the album

may have caued the decrease in sales

[SLADE775]

I've been meaning to check out anathalo

[chokeychicken]

Ok i'm going to say this one more time...

this band, and this album is...BOOOOOOOOOOOORINGGGGGGGGGGGGGG GGGGG

deal with it, quit whining about underpromotion and low numbers...if it was good, people would find out about it...fact is, it's notyeah, because "from under the cork tree" was so good.

shut up.

[falloutdrea19]

Well said. No offense, but this petition will do nothing.

- Jeff
i bought it. and then some fucker stole it. :'(

[Mercy Medical]

If anything, you should buy another copy of Send Us a Signal. Talk about albums that don't get the recognition they deserve.

- Jeff
Everyone should own a copy of Send Us A Signal, best album of 2004...hands down.

I bought a copy of the cd. I think it really hurt this cd that it leaked so early.
I got the album when it leaked and I went out and bought it when it came out. I don't think albums leaking is necessarily always a bad thing. I mean, it's going to leak eventually, so why would it leaking so early make album sales worse?

[ashleymack]

ashmack is gonna be pissed when she reads this. haha.

no i don't really care. i know it won't do much...but it's cool to see kids supporting it.

and i personally think "take cover" would own everything as a single, but my opinion also carries no weight whatsoever.

buying the cd off iTunes gets it onto your iPod pretty dang quick...

[btbam > you]

it definitely needs a HUGE push. the fact that it hasn't even hit 100k yet is insane.

[Scott Weber]

its really pathetic.. im not sure how many.. but its really bad .

i think

1) release date & time of te album being released
2) single- borrrrrrrring. no one wants a ballad as their first single. their first single was "Different". am i correct?
3) copyright protection on the cd and the leaking of the album

may have caued the decrease in sales
Don't be an asshole, they've sold at least 50,000 records, and by ANY standards that's still a really successful release.

[bung]

an extremely overproduced and cliche album that is no where near the greatest album of the year. push it less.

[sweethypocrisy]

no i don't really care. i know it won't do much...but it's cool to see kids supporting it.

and i personally think "take cover" would own everything as a single, but my opinion also carries no weight whatsoever.

buying the cd off iTunes gets it onto your iPod pretty dang quick...
who wants to pay the same amount for a cd when you can even get the case or the artwork or the linear notes? fuck that. im not buying this cd for those reasons, i listen to music 90% of the time on my computer, 8% of the time on my mp3 player and 2% of the time in my moms car, so why pay for a cd im barely gonna get to listen to?

[Scott Weber]

who wants to pay the same amount for a cd when you can even get the case or the artwork or the linear notes? fuck that. im not buying this cd for those reasons, i listen to music 90% of the time on my computer, 8% of the time on my mp3 player and 2% of the time in my moms car, so why pay for a cd im barely gonna get to listen to?
So buy it and download it instead of ripping it, who cares? I would assume you already have the mp3s on your computer.

[sweethypocrisy]

So buy it and download it instead of ripping it, who cares? I would assume you already have the mp3s on your computer.
no i dont.

[NationalProduct]

i did it

[Frank Giaramita]

an extremely overproduced and cliche album that is no where near the greatest album of the year. push it less.
Acceptance wipes their asses with The Faint, in my humble opinion.

[bung]

Acceptance wipes their asses with The Faint, in my humble opinion.

haha, that was rich.

[sweethypocrisy]

Acceptance wipes their asses with The Faint, in my humble opinion.
that would hurt.

[SePaMc]

I paralyzed a girl and put a guy into coma due to a stop sign that shouldve' been at an intersection but never was, The van flipped 4 times and landed on teh front lawn of a house, and my Mustang was totalled. A petition didn't do shit either, a month later someone was killed at the same intersection.

I just felt much better afterwards, knowing there was over a thousand people standing behind me and signing this petition. It felt nice.

I was reading somewhere about how there is a predicted number of accidents at each intersection, and so long as that number isn't exceeded they won't look into the intersection. It's sad really...There is an intersection right in front of my house the same way...still no light on a road with 55 mph traffic.


I got the album when it leaked and I went out and bought it when it came out. I don't think albums leaking is necessarily always a bad thing. I mean, it's going to leak eventually, so why would it leaking so early make album sales worse?

It does...MCS leaked, what...in March and released in July? I was in the store the week it came out and picked it up, but I was almost sick of the album at that point. 4 months of heavy rotation will definitely make you somewhat sick of an album and deter you from buying it. This really sucks for them, but they are touring with Yellowcard, so I can see some things happening from that.

[Scott Weber]

Acceptance wipes their asses with The Faint, in my humble opinion.
I love Acceptance, but the Faint is amaaaaazing.

[thewebguy]

don't sign some stupid petition you morons, vote with your dollars.

if you love acceptance and haven't bought their cd, signing this petition is hypocritcal. go buy it at a store or from the label.

[InHope]

The album had a lot of push when it first came out. The promotion died because radio didn't pick up the single, the tour didn't do overwhelmingly good numbers, MTV didn't play the video, and the record just plain didn't sell that many copies. I mean, it sold a good amount (I'm guessing 150-200k? Just a guess...). But the band isn't THAT good. Welcome to being on a major label.

[Louballs]

How the hell can you say a label is in the best position to see if kids like a band when the label hasn't even pushed the band enough so that kids even know they exist?
Record labels don't really give a shit if kids like a band; all they care about (usually) is whether it's gonna sell. Labels sell tons and tons of different records. So they usually know what type of record they think is going to sell. Sometimes major labels sign bands (like Bad Religion for a while) that they don't care about pushing: They already know people buy their albums, and they just want a slow, steady seller.

Actually, most of my friends haven't heard of this band... and I think that's part of the reasoning behind this petition.
You missed the point completely. To put it another, more blatantly straightforward way, labels can't afford to push every band that a bunch of kids tell them to.

In case you haven't realized, Acceptance's #'s are disgraceful. You're telling me that a label would OVERLOOK the soundscan numbers and say..."Hmm, maybe we shouldn't put more money into this band, because 200 kids signed this petition and 200 kids support them". Are you joking? The soundscan #s are enough to tell Columbia that their push is non-existant, I highly doubt a petition of 200+ kids would do anything except hammer that point home.
Again, you missed the point. They're not going to look at the Soundscan numbers to decide how much money to put into the band--they've already decided. You ever notice how, when an indie band signs to a major, it's usually a few months after the album comes out that you actually start seeing ads, videos, etc.? Dookie, for example, came out in February; you didn't see "Longview" on MTV much until the summer. If, after a few months, Acceptance's album hasn't started selling, the label's going to decide whether they want to A) put a stronger push behind them (e.g., Green Day), or B) cut 'em loose (e.g., Jawbreaker). But that decision is going to have nothing to do with a petition; it's going to have to do with my first point: That labels are in the best position to figure out what's going to sell.

[robdobi]

i don't think the whole "label isn't pushing hard enough" is a good excuse, did anyone forget this album leaked back in like 1997?

[omegaX]

Copy protection is keeping this down. It sucks Acceptance had to be saddled with it, but I know I for one refuse to buy ANY cd with that shit on it, and I know a lot of people are with me (on this board or not). Think about how many people who have ipods, and know they cant listen to the album with it. It adds up. (I know there are ways around it, but many people dont know it.) Sadly, this shit needs to be a failed experiment.

[Steve Henderson]

i don't think the whole "label isn't pushing hard enough" is a good excuse, did anyone forget this album leaked back in like 1997?
Yeah I hear that, but the people that downloaded the leak knew about them already. My gripe is that they ought to push the music onto new people. Sure, they might have halved their sales because of the leak, but there are thousands of kiddies out there just waiting to scream "OMGz!!1 He l00ks like N1ck LacheY!!"

Sure, I like when bands stay "indie" or whatever, but this band has it all, really. They truly deserve to be huge...I sure thought they would hit it big a long time before FOB or MCR and definitely Relient K....seems I was wrong.

Copy protection is keeping this down. It sucks Acceptance had to be saddled with it, but I know I for one refuse to buy ANY cd with that shit on it, and I know a lot of people are with me (on this board or not). Think about how many people who have ipods, and know they cant listen to the album with it. It adds up. (I know there are ways around it, but many people dont know it.) Sadly, this shit needs to be a failed experiment.
I hate that bullshit too, but the average listener isn't nearly as discriminating as you. Anyways, if you do that, you are hurting the band more than the label. You think Columbia is looking at Acceptance's numbers and saying "Shit, maybe we ought to have left the copy protection off"? No. They blame the band or the public. Sad, but the way it is.

[omegaX]

I bought a copy of the cd. I think it really hurt this cd that it leaked so early.

A lot of the demos were better than the album versions anyway. In my opinion, they killed "over you", which used to be an insanely ambient poprock song.

[steve-0]

If anyone refuses to buy the CD because they "cant listen to it on their ipod", go buy the CD and Ill send you the mp3s of the album. Support these guys regardless of whether or not it has copy-protection


As for the video, I thought it was a pretty crappy treatment. It was so boring, it had no story and was basically just Jason driving around in a car spliced with videos of them playing a song on a rooftop

[omegaX]

I hate that bullshit too, but the average listener isn't nearly as discriminating as you. Anyways, if you do that, you are hurting the band more than the label. You think Columbia is looking at Acceptance's numbers and saying "Shit, maybe we ought to have left the copy protection off"? No. They blame the band or the public. Sad, but the way it is.

Not exactly true. It's used with bands that don't have a very large following in the label's eyes, because they figure sales won't be hurt as much. MANY people are discriminating about this, at least thats what I've seen.

It's an experiment, and that's all it is. They're testing the new technology on smaller artists (like that singer Rachel Yamagata or something like that). They're watching how the public reacts. There has been news articles about it, I just wish I still had them so I could post them.

And remember, the band doesn't make as much on the CD as they do on the tour. It kicks the label in the nuts more than most people think.



PS. "different" kinda sucks. The single should have been "over you", "in too far", "so contagious", or "permanent" (mcr did it, rerelease the fucking thing!)

[Spicoli hey bud]

Permanent = best acceptance song by far
i'm glad they decided to add it to the full length

[mylkhead]

signed

[omegaX]

Permanent = best acceptance song by far
i'm glad they decided to add it to the full length

Agree.

[The Coalition]

Copy protection is a cheap excuse, so buy a physical copy and keep the ones you downloaded and already have on your iPod.

Different as I recall, was actually reacting quite well at radio, getting a lot of adds. This band is still developing, and it is their first album. They need to support some big time tours, and let it build.

Anyone who thought they would do FallOutBoy numbers on their first album is just naive.

[Mitch]

I do not like the album as much as I did when I first heard it, BUT the album still deserves a shitload of attention, and if Take Cover was the first single, as many of you have already said, they would be huge. I guarantee it. Columbia just has to give them another chance, and make that song the single. AND PROMOTE!

[Steve Henderson]

PS. "different" kinda sucks. The single should have been "over you", "in too far", "so contagious", or "permanent" (mcr did it, rerelease the fucking thing!)
I disagree. "Different" is a fucking excellent song, but not a good first single. I listened to Phantoms today and the start of the second verse gives me chills...

"Got this way, up front but never true" :)

Anyone who thought they would do FallOutBoy numbers on their first album is just naive.

Bullshit. As soon as "Take Cover" hits the radio, the album will sell 100k off that song alone.

[omegaX]

I disagree. "Different" is a fucking excellent song, but not a good first single. I listened to Phantoms today and the start of the second verse gives me chills...

"Got this way, up front but never true" :)





It just seems like a car commercial to me. I havent listened to the album that much, but I know there's a lot more passionate songs on there. Or at least to me, I guess.

Copy protection is a cheap excuse, so buy a physical copy and keep the ones you downloaded and already have on your iPod.



Not an excuse. It's what I think, and I dont really care what you think about it.

[when 4ever ends]

Don't be an asshole, they've sold at least 50,000 records, and by ANY standards that's still a really successful release.
didnt mean to be an ass...
im just saying i thought it was much lower then that.

[Steve Henderson]

It just seems like a car commercial to me. I havent listened to the album that much, but I know there's a lot more passionate songs on there. Or at least to me, I guess.

Yeah, I see what you are saying. I think with slower songs and ballads like that, they are stronger when listened to in the context of the rest of the album, or other songs by the band. Hence, they are usually the 3rd single. A great song, but would be better to have this order:

1. "Take Cover"
2. "So Contagious"
3. "Different"

Fucking Columbia ought to hire my ass...I'm edukatid.

[Frank Giaramita]

I had never gotten around to checking out Anathallo before, but I did just now on your recommendation. Good stuff...I had heard a song of theirs before on Indie Access Radio, but didn't know who it was, so thanks! :)

:thumbsup:

Don't be an asshole, they've sold at least 50,000 records, and by ANY standards that's still a really successful release.

By major label standards, anything less than gold is a unsuccessful.

[omegaX]

Yeah, I see what you are saying. I think with slower songs and ballads like that, they are stronger when listened to in the context of the rest of the album, or other songs by the band. Hence, they are usually the 3rd single. A great song, but would be better to have this order:

1. "Take Cover"
2. "So Contagious"
3. "Different"

Fucking Columbia ought to hire my ass...I'm edukatid.

I think "in too far" would fit better than take cover, but for the most part I agree. I honestly think anything would have been better than different though.

[exidol]

Don't be an asshole, they've sold at least 50,000 records, and by ANY standards that's still a really successful release.

Hey Weber, don;t be a fucking cunt, the "asshole" part was kind of harsh. Dude was just expressing his opinion.

And 50,000 units is maybe successful by YOUR standards, but not by a major labels standards. Hell, 150K was not even good enough for Blindside.

[omegaX]

Hey Weber, don;t be a fucking cunt, the "asshole" part was kind of harsh. Dude was just expressing his opinion.

And 50,000 units is maybe successful by YOUR standards, but not by a major labels standards. Hell, 150K was not even good enough for Blindside.

The "asshole" did sound...um....assholeish. You deserve some points buddy. You need 'em. :bigsmile:

[Scott Weber]

Hey Weber, don;t be a fucking cunt, the "asshole" part was kind of harsh. Dude was just expressing his opinion.

And 50,000 units is maybe successful by YOUR standards, but not by a major labels standards. Hell, 150K was not even good enough for Blindside.
Ok, WHOA buddy. I know it's your thing to come in here and shit all over Acceptance every time they get posted about because of your personal vendetta with them, but first off, he said their sales were "pathetic," which is a huge hyperbole (you want to see pathetic by major label standards, look at Vendetta Red). Second off, spouting your mouth off doesn't make you right either.

[Epilogue]

Major Labels have plans, obviously they pushed the album the way they felt it should be handled, nothing is going to change that, even amazing album sales this late in the game wouldn't change much except how the next release is handled. So calm down. What ever happened to people wanting bands to stay "indie" and to be lesser known. What happened to everyone signing to a major being a sellout? The "indie" scene has become too concerned with mainstream success.

[OGODTHAFTERMATH]

i say Columbia should give them a bigger push. Different and So Contagious arent the best 2 singles so far!!!

[siimpx]

i love this cd, i bought it like the day it came out. and then my mom took it, which says alot about it's potential on mainstream radio. this band could have been huge for columbia if marketed right...i don't think it's ever going to happen now though.

[when 4ever ends]

take cover owns.

they even named a tour after it and it wasnt their single, whos bright idea was that?

Ok, WHOA buddy. I know it's your thing to come in here and shit all over Acceptance every time they get posted about because of your personal vendetta with them, but first off, he said their sales were "pathetic," which is a huge hyperbole (you want to see pathetic by major label standards, look at Vendetta Red). Second off, spouting your mouth off doesn't make you right either.
to clarify what i ment.. i ment they were pathetic for what they could be selling.. not what they have actually sold. In my opinion that number should be much higher

[NameTaken69]

i would like to see this conversation is over as a single, but thats just me

[brutusUbastard]

I actually talked to Christian tonight about this. He said there have been talks with columbia about releasing a new video/single and right now the bands talking about it, thats all. Columbia's really not screwing them over. They have been on tour quite a bit and are continuing into next January with the Academy Is... Really nice and cool guy.

[jdmedina]

guys, listen up, petitions DO work.

when i was in 4th grade there was a really mean bus driver, i mean REALLY mean, kids were afraid he was going to hit us.

if anyone acted up at all he would yell "YA'LL BETTAH SIT DOWN BACK DEH!" and for the rest of the bus ride everyone would be quiet. he often drank sprite while he was driving so we got all the kids on the bus to sign a petition, saying he was mean and he drank while he drove, and the principal listened to us and we soon got a new bus driver. she was wierd though and told us when you pushed her belly button she turned into a transformer.
post of the month!

why don't they just go to an indie label and start from there. if it's not meant to happen then it's not meant to happen. every band can't be a huge band.
I remember they convienced Columbia to record the EP before the entire album so they could get to be known in the underground movement and do a little national tour. Then came the CD wich was sort of under propotioned

Acceptance wipes their asses with The Faint, in my humble opinion.
that was stupid

oh and leaks are not compared to traditional marketing like FOB or MCR, altough both albums leaked theay are still steadsy sellers cause they are so whored right now

[Scott Weber]

I actually talked to Christian tonight about this. He said there have been talks with columbia about releasing a new video/single and right now the bands talking about it, thats all. Columbia's really not screwing them over. They have been on tour quite a bit and are continuing into next January with the Academy Is... Really nice and cool guy.
and.....there it is.

[brutusUbastard]

and.....there it is. haha. yeah when i first brought it up, he rolled his eyes and just shook his head.
it was pretty funny.

[xxnotetoselfxx]

columbia displayed the same lack of promotion with Midtowns album in my oppinion

[Pooavenger]

midtowns album flopped because it was different and it wasn't as good as they made it seem. when you turn your back on your traditional sound then you are bound to lose fans. it's a gamble though because you can lose fans and gain better/more fans or just lose fans and that's it.

[Steve Henderson]

Ok, WHOA buddy. I know it's your thing to come in here and shit all over Acceptance every time they get posted about because of your personal vendetta with them, but first off, he said their sales were "pathetic," which is a huge hyperbole (you want to see pathetic by major label standards, look at Vendetta Red). Second off, spouting your mouth off doesn't make you right either.
Vendetta Red's new CD is surprisingly good...that one caught me off guard for sure.

[eandichris]

how could a person know if the album is good enough to petition for if they havent listened to it or heard it somehow; means, they, are their friends have the album, they then probably picked it up if it was the latter.

a lot of petitions do things, a lot of governmentally directed ones do at least, and im sure those are a lot harder to push.

speaking of pushing, i agree, columbia should push phantoms more, the fact isnt that if it was good people would know about it, people have to know about it first to know if its good and it wasnt promoted enough for the general population to know about...if phantoms isnt great then neither is futures by jimmy eat world-which is a complete lie. furthermore, if it was originally pushed enough people would either love it or hate for them to be a popular flop, or a popular band from being that great. either way, they arent popular so obviously they werent pushed enough...

to add, if you like coldplay, if you like jimmy eat world, if you like keane, if you like fall out boy, if you like these pop rock bands, cartel included ever...then how can you not like acceptance? they draw influence from jew, from coldplay, from keane, from pop punk, from all that stuff man...there has gotta be something you can listen for and appreciate.

if not the vocals, the simplicity and catchiness of the musicianship, if not that, then the production, if it was overly produced it wouldnt have been produced by aaron sprinkle who is a more "underground" or as you kids like to title it "scene" producer. i mean, look, anberlin, dead poetic..etc...are those bands records even close to comparable to phantoms, heck no man, aaron sprinkle did those, if those are overproduced which they arent, then so is acceptance, which it isnt.

how can something be overproduced anyways, if you were in a studio and they did every last thing they could to make the vocals, guitars, bass and drums and effects sound outstanding you wouldnt be refusing--and it was done correctly, and not to add on a pretty low budget...the band had offers from other relatively large producers, and they went to aaron sprinkle, columbia even wanted a "better" or "bigger" production, so again, if thats overproduced imagine what wouldve happened.

also, those guys are such nice guys, one of the only bands that lives up to what philosophy they enthuse...they treat fans as equals, they are funny, they eat in and out like champs, they hold their morals high and mighty, what else could you ask for in an underground band such as acceptance? nothing.

if its not one thing its another these days, listen to music because it sounds good, dont nitpick and pull apart every riff and every belt, and every piece of headvoice, and the snare strikes...listen to it and enjoy it, if its simple or tech, reggae or country, rock or pop, rap or salsa, if its a good jam, then its a good jam. period.

i dont even really listen to this band all that much, for a band of their stature and style they bring it well.

i mean look at underoath and static lullaby and letter kills, and all those bands...they blow and materialize everything wrong with music...they dont root their music with heart, they root it with production and things of that nature.

look at a band like U2, back in the eighties, when autotune rigs werent widely used, bono went onstage and hit every note, with more emotion then on record, he tore the stage to pieces...same with the beatles, and the stones, and today some bands do that, i.e. foo fighters...again out of those bands i only enjoy eighties U2...but regardless, thats what music should mean, thats what vocals should consist of...raw clarity, troubles, heights, findings, losses, etc etc......to call any musician who isnt obviously joking, like bloodhound gang, or some band like that, fake, or bad, is retarded. if they are living out their words, and strumming out their chords and playing their beats with precision, emotionally, then thats what makes them a band, not their clothes, or nasal voice, or simplicity, their heart, their drive, their want, all that...acceptance has that, regardless, i used the word again, if you like them or not.

thanks

[desh412]

Acceptance should have stayed on an indie. They'd have a bigger following and would actually have a label that cares about their music. I personally think they made the jump an album too early.

[Steve Henderson]

how could a person know if the album is good enough to petition for if they havent listened to it or heard it somehow; means, they, are their friends have the album, they then probably picked it up if it was the latter.

a lot of petitions do things, a lot of governmentally directed ones do at least, and im sure those are a lot harder to push.

speaking of pushing, i agree, columbia should push phantoms more, the fact isnt that if it was good people would know about it, people have to know about it first to know if its good and it wasnt promoted enough for the general population to know about...if phantoms isnt great then neither is futures by jimmy eat world-which is a complete lie. furthermore, if it was originally pushed enough people would either love it or hate for them to be a popular flop, or a popular band from being that great. either way, they arent popular so obviously they werent pushed enough...

to add, if you like coldplay, if you like jimmy eat world, if you like keane, if you like fall out boy, if you like these pop rock bands, cartel included ever...then how can you not like acceptance? they draw influence from jew, from coldplay, from keane, from pop punk, from all that stuff man...there has gotta be something you can listen for and appreciate.

if not the vocals, the simplicity and catchiness of the musicianship, if not that, then the production, if it was overly produced it wouldnt have been produced by aaron sprinkle who is a more "underground" or as you kids like to title it "scene" producer. i mean, look, anberlin, dead poetic..etc...are those bands records even close to comparable to phantoms, heck no man, aaron sprinkle did those, if those are overproduced which they arent, then so is acceptance, which it isnt.

how can something be overproduced anyways, if you were in a studio and they did every last thing they could to make the vocals, guitars, bass and drums and effects sound outstanding you wouldnt be refusing--and it was done correctly, and not to add on a pretty low budget...the band had offers from other relatively large producers, and they went to aaron sprinkle, columbia even wanted a "better" or "bigger" production, so again, if thats overproduced imagine what wouldve happened.

also, those guys are such nice guys, one of the only bands that lives up to what philosophy they enthuse...they treat fans as equals, they are funny, they eat in and out like champs, they hold their morals high and mighty, what else could you ask for in an underground band such as acceptance? nothing.

if its not one thing its another these days, listen to music because it sounds good, dont nitpick and pull apart every riff and every belt, and every piece of headvoice, and the snare strikes...listen to it and enjoy it, if its simple or tech, reggae or country, rock or pop, rap or salsa, if its a good jam, then its a good jam. period.

i dont even really listen to this band all that much, for a band of their stature and style they bring it well.

i mean look at underoath and static lullaby and letter kills, and all those bands...they blow and materialize everything wrong with music...they dont root their music with heart, they root it with production and things of that nature.

look at a band like U2, back in the eighties, when autotune rigs werent widely used, bono went onstage and hit every note, with more emotion then on record, he tore the stage to pieces...same with the beatles, and the stones, and today some bands do that, i.e. foo fighters...again out of those bands i only enjoy eighties U2...but regardless, thats what music should mean, thats what vocals should consist of...raw clarity, troubles, heights, findings, losses, etc etc......to call any musician who isnt obviously joking, like bloodhound gang, or some band like that, fake, or bad, is retarded. if they are living out their words, and strumming out their chords and playing their beats with precision, emotionally, then thats what makes them a band, not their clothes, or nasal voice, or simplicity, their heart, their drive, their want, all that...acceptance has that, regardless, i used the word again, if you like them or not.

thanks
I see what you are saying, but you are wrong about one thing. I like Phantoms a lot, but it IS overproduced. Sprinkle put too many effects in there that make the record sound way too "clean" really. He has done a great job with other records - namely Emery's "The Question", DP's "New Medicines" etc. If you have ever seen Acceptance live, though, you know that they sound downright STELLAR live, and that sound should have come through more on the record. My main gripe with the production on the record is that Sprinkle took a lot of rock songs and made them sound like pop songs.

[Scott Weber]

Vendetta Red's new CD is surprisingly good...that one caught me off guard for sure.
Yeah, it's a good album.

I see what you are saying, but you are wrong about one thing. I like Phantoms a lot, but it IS overproduced. Sprinkle put too many effects in there that make the record sound way too "clean" really. He has done a great job with other records - namely Emery's "The Question", DP's "New Medicines" etc. If you have ever seen Acceptance live, though, you know that they sound downright STELLAR live, and that sound should have come through more on the record. My main gripe with the production on the record is that Sprinkle took a lot of rock songs and made them sound like pop songs.
I don't find Phantoms to be overproduced, personally. i think it sounds a lot like the EP, which Aaron also did. A more produced sound fits them anyways.

[DeathCabForCoon]

I'm sure it would make much more of an impact if everyone that signs it would go out and buy a copy of the cd instead of adding their name to the list.
So true. Thats the best way to get your voice heard, through your wallet

[Choke_on_this09]

So true. Thats the best way to get your voice heard, through your wallet haha. vote with your dollars!!

[benjiluver]

yeeee-ha!!!!!!!!! i'll sign-u'r a great band-i hope you get far!!!!!

[tinymosh]

i love acceptance.

however, i saw them live a few weeks ago @ the crazy donkey in long island. let's just say they were terribly dissapointing. the singer couldn't sing for shit, & had to sing with a back up track.

maybe it was just a bad night for him.

[exidol]

Ok, WHOA buddy. I know it's your thing to come in here and shit all over Acceptance every time they get posted about because of your personal vendetta with them, but first off, he said their sales were "pathetic," which is a huge hyperbole (you want to see pathetic by major label standards, look at Vendetta Red). Second off, spouting your mouth off doesn't make you right either.

Did not say I was right. I stated an opinion. And also told you that you are a douche bag for calling someone a name for doing the same.

[Steve Henderson]

i love acceptance.

however, i saw them live a few weeks ago @ the crazy donkey in long island. let's just say they were terribly dissapointing. the singer couldn't sing for shit, & had to sing with a back up track.

maybe it was just a bad night for him.
Give em another chance. I have seen them twice before and Jason hit every note. One of the best live singers I have ever seen...

[brutusUbastard]

Give em another chance. I have seen them twice before and Jason hit every note. One of the best live singers I have ever seen...
They are great live. Talking to Christian after I saw Them, I mentioned how much heavier they actually sounded live, and he said he felt they are overproduced on their CDs.

After seeing them live I can see that very well.

And jason was fantastic.