Yes, One More Hawthorne Heights Post

[Rohan Kohli]

Below is a message from JT of Hawthorne Heights (http://www.hawthorneheights.com). Please don't complain about there being too many Hawthorne Heights posts: if you don't want to read them, simply click the arrows in the right hand corners of the titles and minimize the modules.

hello everyone at absolutepunk.net
this is jt from hawthorne heights.

i just wanted to personally say the following:

my hatred for absolutepunk.net ends now. the picks are in the trash. i have lost a dear friend. when stuff like this happens, you re-think your life. we should all be bigger than negative comments. we are all with bayside right now. we are all crying together. (now you can officially call HH emo pussies) but we are hurt. we are all hurt. anyone who knows the members of bayside, is going through a rough time now. each member of hawthorne heights, silverstein, and aiden are all together trying to find the best way to help bayside.

i miss my friend. i miss johnny beatz. and i don't know what else i can do. for once let's all be positive. let's all use the good part of our hearts, to help those who need it. and right now our brothers in bayside need us. their families and loved ones need us.

we are organizing a way to get back out on this tour, and help bayside. this band cannot lose momentum. hawthorne heights is not groundbreaking. we know that. bayside is. as soon as we know when the tour will resume, we will let you know. please come and support it, because we are donating a lot to bayside and their families. bring your hearts. they need them. they already have ours.

sincerely, jt woodruff. hh

[JHallow]

im with him, stop the bickering for the time being and try and help bayside out. being postive is the only thing that we can do now

[EnderDove]

It highly bothers me that in that serious of a message he had time to put things like emo pussies.

[pinkerton]

oh my god i'm gaining so much respect for this band.

great job, HH.

p.s. i secretly love the song "life on standby."

It highly bothers me that in that serious of a message he had time to put things like emo pussies.
you realize he sent this to absolutepunk.net, right? if this was MTV.COM, he would not have put that.

[seans seatbelt]

Wow, I didn't know you could minimize that shit.
Sweet.

[TheNumberOneFan]

Wow, I didn't know you could minimize that shit.
Sweet.

me either.. what a cool feature

[uh oh smmoreo]

I've liked HH, and I always knew these guys were decent people, but I've gained even more respect for them now.

[blahme]

ok, i love HH, just not their music; fair enough?

[TheNumberOneFan]

you realize he sent this to absolutepunk.net, right? if this was MTV.COM, he would not have put that.

hay man.. this site reaches a possibility of upwards to 40,000 people... i'd say that's pretty decent publicity ;)

[catchmealone]

I love what they are doing for the band, but it's beginning to seem kinda odd that in such a time, they seem to be spending ALOT of time on ap.net.

[pinkerton]

they have lost their (unneccesary?) title as a stain on the music industry. i have so much respect for them its unbelievable.

[Everiggs]

It highly bothers me that in that serious of a message he had time to put things like emo pussies.
It's not about that right now.

[LostSymphonies]

it's awesome that they are being the bigger men, kudos HH

[EnderDove]

they have lost their (unneccesary?) title as a stain on the music industry. i have so much respect for them its unbelievable.

I could care less about them. They're saying exactly what you are expected to say when something like this happens. Dont bow down and worship them because they had the time to send something to a website, he must've done it in-between the tears since he said he was crying.

Bullshit. If he had something real to say, then say it. But dont send something that looks like a PR guy was helping him write it.

[elemenohpe]

Please don't complain about there being too many Hawthorne Heights posts: if you don't want to read them, simply click the arrows in the right hand corners of the titles and minimize the modules.

The following statement is not a complaint about the extreme amount of Hawthorne Heights posts of the day...

...Hawthorne Heights is beginning to piss me off even more than usual. I haven't read a single post from any other band about the incident with Bayside and this tour. It just feels to me that HH are being attention whores about the situation. This is like what happens in a community when someone passes... it becomes a drama about who was the "better friend" or who was "closer"... who is "suffering" and "mourning".

I'm sure all of the people that recently gained a lot of respect for HH will think the above statement is something only a huge asshole would say. That's just how I feel about the situation. I'm sure all the members from each band are mourning but it seems to me that only one band feels that it needs to publicly address how hard it is for them and what kind of pain they're going through.

[Rohan Kohli]

I could care less about them. They're saying exactly what you are expected to say when something like this happens. Dont bow down and worship them because they had the time to send something to a website, he must've done it in-between the tears since he said he was crying.

Bullshit. If he had something real to say, then say it. But dont send something that looks like a PR guy was helping him write it.

Oh, really? Getting tattoos is just something you expected them to do?

[fenderstratboy2]

it's sad that things like this are the only way people can come together

[EnderDove]

The following statement is not a complaint about the extreme amount of Hawthorne Heights posts of the day...

...Hawthorne Heights is beginning to piss me off even more than usual. I haven't read a single post from any other band about the incident with Bayside and this tour. It just feels to me that HH are being attention whores about the situation. This is like what happens in a community when someone passes... it becomes a drama about who was the "better friend" or who was "closer"... who is "suffering" and "mourning".

I'm sure all of the people that recently gained a lot of respect for HH will think the above statement is something only a huge asshole would say. That's just how I feel about the situation. I'm sure all the members from each band are mourning but it seems to me that only one band feels that it needs to be publicly addressed how hard it is for them or what kind of pain they're going through.

Exactly. You're not a huge asshole, just someone who can see through peoples bullshit and you're not afraid to say what you think.

[bubonic311]

It highly bothers me that in that serious of a message he had time to put things like emo pussies.
I agree. Although my heart goes out to all of these Victory bands, who I have always enjoyed for their music and their polite demeanor towards fans, I really dislike the use of word, "pussy." Never underestimate the weight of your words.

[DeathCabForCoon]

That is really big of them. Everyone gets caught up with making fun of this band or promoting that band. Once something like this happens we are all realize how unimportant the bickering is. Just sucks, losing a close friend is so hard.

[EnderDove]

Oh, really? Getting a tattoo is just something you expected them to do?

If you're mourning the loss of a friend and comforting others who just lost someone, sending a message to AP.net about how bad you are feeling is the last thing I would think someone to do.

[golfchick]

I was seriously thinking on going to see this tour in Montreal.. with Silverstein as my top interest.. what these guys are doing is incredible though, to carry out the tour like that, I hope they find courage together, maybe it will be the best way for them to deal with this, best of luck guys, you have class and i hope more people will go to those shows because of that, for the music and to give you support because it will be hard.

See you at the show if you come by.

[GoTHErelentless]

What's more, is this is more selfless than Andy from TJV's post, and it isn't even his band.

Bravo.

[itmakesyoufeel]

I have so much respect for these guys putting the entire tour on hold. They're obviously all hurting a lot right now, and he's right about the whole bickering thing. It's so stupid to fight about such small stuff when life is so precious. We'd all be a lot better if we'd realize that.

Prayers for everyone who is hurting from this tragedy.

[JOJOFACE]

God bless, guys. My prayers are out to all friends, family and loved ones involved. <3

[TheNumberOneFan]

it's sad that things like this are the only way people can come together

isn't it though

[Rohan Kohli]

The following statement is not a complaint about the extreme amount of Hawthorne Heights posts of the day...

...Hawthorne Heights is beginning to piss me off even more than usual. I haven't read a single post from any other band about the incident with Bayside and this tour. It just feels to me that HH are being attention whores about the situation. This is like what happens in a community when someone passes... it becomes a drama about who was the "better friend" or who was "closer"... who is "suffering" and "mourning".

I'm sure all of the people that recently gained a lot of respect for HH will think the above statement is something only a huge asshole would say. That's just how I feel about the situation. I'm sure all the members from each band are mourning but it seems to me that only one band feels that it needs to publicly addressehow hard it is for them and what kind of pain they're going through.

They're trying to help Bayside out with all this stuff. I don't see what the problem is.

[xearlynovemberx]

christ stop giving hh shit there amazing people for this and i like them

[underthetalking]

it's sad that things like this are the only way people can come together

*looks at posts above...*


Unfortunately and obviously not...


I'm not a big fan of HH and I never have been. But I think this is a classy move to put aside the bullshit drama that constantly happens on this website and focus on more important issues. Good for them. Kudos to HH.

[Drew Beringer]

While I'll probably never listen to HH's album, but my respect for the band has grown a lot. Bayside was one of my favorite bands and I'm so sad about this. Props to HH and to Silverstein and Aiden as well.

[EnderDove]

I dont understand how peoples respect for the band grows because they are going public with statements? I have more respect for the members of Silverstein and Aiden then I do Hawthorne Heights, at least they arent sending messages to websites and telling us they are having trouble with this when we obviously know that they are.

[thispostscript]

*looks at posts above...*


Unfortunately and obviously not...


I'm not a big fan of HH and I never have been. But I think this is a classy move to put aside the bullshit drama that constantly happens on this website and focus on more important issues. Good for them. Kudos to HH.
not necessarily, i mean even tho they stated their emotions, he still took made a tasteless comment at the critics saying "now you can call us emo pussies" it just sounded idiotic at this time

[logantogovcentr]

hey. this isn't about respect.

this is about a life being taken away from us post haste. instead of bothering with your comments towards why hawthorne heights are what they are and aren't, try offering bayside some kind words.

[TheNumberOneFan]

They're trying to help Bayside out with all this stuff. I don't see what the problem is.

no problem there.

people are reading too deep into it

[underthetalking]

not necessarily, i mean even tho they stated their emotions, he still took made a tasteless comment at the critics saying "now you can call us emo pussies" it just sounded idiotic at this time

That is true... just a really bad time to crack a joke like that. But I like what they and all the bands are doing in handling the situation (selling Bayside merch, etc.) Honestly, I think its honorable what they are all doing. I don't like any of the bands, but I do respect them more.

[elemenohpe]

They're trying to help Bayside out with all this stuff. I don't see what the problem is.

because I see two and a half paragraphs of "whoa is me, i'm so sad" and four sentences (three lacking a lot of substance...) about actually "helping bayside".

but i'm not going to bother trying to argue with anyone about this anymore. i think my point is abundantly clear and if anyone disagrees with it, fair enough.

[vandalroyale]

ok, i love HH, just not their music; fair enough?
i just wish more people would say this instead of bashing

[Rohan Kohli]

because I see two and a half paragraphs of "whoa is me, i'm so sad" and four sentences (three lacking a lot of substance...) about actually "helping bayside".

but i'm not going to bother with this anymore. i think my point is abundantly clear and if anyone disagrees with it, fair enough.

Well, I'll disagree.

[elemenohpe]

Well, I'll disagree.

and we'll leave it at that. :thumbsup:

[vandalroyale]

Well, I'll disagree.
I disagree as well--

[1Roth4]

i can honestly say ive never listened to one hawthorne song... ive read all the posts today though, and i can honestly say the majority of posts are kids who are sitting at home with nothing to do over analyzing every word he wrote down. Forget the words, remember the message.

do what you can to support Bayside and all there friends and family, no one knows what they're going through.. and for one second can everyone show a little respect.

[Jim Morgan]

definitely a respectable post.

really bummed about the loss of baysides drummer though :(

[jon.fftl]

I may not like his band, but I just gained lots of respect for JT.

[Salomonbz90]

im done hating them...they've shown their true sides now and i really really like it

[tinston]

i think that this was a really, really bad time for bayside to lose thier drummer. is anyone here with this?

[Rohan Kohli]

i wasn't gonna get into this but i feel like i have too now..honestly dude to me it seems as though with the last 3 posts you posted regarding what hawthorne heights is doing/feeling it seems like you're attempting to add credibility to them by those who dislike hawthorne on here over this while a whole music community is in complete shock/despair and helping out , I do respect what they're doing, it's very honorable..and from what i hear from my friends who knew John he was an incredible guy, so i think everyone should go forth and do what they can to help out the situation. etc pick up a record/shirt, donate on paypal. rock on bayside

I don't understand what you're saying. All I/HH are trying to do is help out Bayside. But yeah, maybe rephrase what you're saying, then I can understand n respond.

[TheNumberOneFan]

speaking of drama


does anyone remember the URL for that drama website that one guy that worked here for a few weeks started up?

[Saleen]

I respect HH for this, they're absolutely great guys, despite what anything thinks of their music.

Also, My American Heart posted a bulletin on their MySpace pages urging their fans to donate to John's memorial fund. They did it with little fanfare or recognition, that's what it's all about. Huge bands like HH and smaller bands like MAH all working together to get through a terrible tragedy.

[underthetalking]

i think that this was a really, really bad time for bayside to lose thier drummer. is anyone here with this?

Please tell me. What would have been a good time?

[Electric Child]

Doesn't change the fact that HH really, really, really sucks.

[TheNumberOneFan]

Doesn't change the fact that HH really, really, really sucks.

it does, however, change the fact that SOMEONE IS DEAD...

selfish asshole

think before you talk, this thread has nothing to do with thier music

[underthetalking]

it does, however, change the fact that SOMEONE IS DEAD...

selfish asshole

think before you talk, this thread has nothing to do with thier music

Well said. Kudos to you.

[asdfjkl]

it does, however, change the fact that SOMEONE IS DEAD...

selfish asshole

think before you talk, this thread has nothing to do with thier music
thank you.

[quitmyscene]

i think that this was a really, really bad time for bayside to lose thier drummer. is anyone here with this?
is there ever a good time to lose someone?

i think it's sad that it takes this much for some people to realize that they can be good, respectable guys, even if the music isn't that great. and hopefully i just misinterpreted some of these posts (it's late, i'm tired) but do you honestly think HH is just saying these things to get kids on their good side? or for attention or whatever?
i'm sure many many bands are upset about this incident. the reason HH thoughts/reponses are posted as news is because they were the headlining band on the tour, i'm assuming. they have news and information about how to help out. it isn't necessary for the other bands (on this tour especially) to make news posts (right away, at least) because HH is already saying it. and with all due respect, but every "i'm sorry" or personal stories from other bands probably can't be posted on a news site without being considered too redundant. i'm really unsure how to word this nicely and in a way to get what i mean across.. i apologize.

again; my thoughts and prayers are with everyone.

[whatchokesbegin]

Nothing about this situation really makes the guys from Hawthorne Heights good people. Them doing the right things for once doesn't make me respect them anymore. I enjoy Bayside and am saddened to hear the news, but nothing about that is going to make me like someone else more because of it. I'm extremely surprised that people are actually saying things like "I can't hate them anymore." Not that you need to hate the band, but my goodness, how ignorant.

[aZn_BallA1024]

some of you guys are seriously dicks, i mean theyre trying to end this hatred towards ap kids and stuff, and explaining why, but some of you just see it as some big hoax, they have so much better things to message ap about it, c mon now.

[elemenohpe]

it does, however, change the fact that SOMEONE IS DEAD...

that makes no sense at all. it didn't change anything.

[EnderDove]

it does, however, change the fact that SOMEONE IS DEAD...

selfish asshole

think before you talk, this thread has nothing to do with thier music

People die all the time. Just because its a person in a band doesnt make their life more important and requires more publicity than anothers.

It is bad for close friends and relatives, but random people posting on here saying they are in their prayers make me shake my head.

[justinevans]

he still said "emo pussies".

fuck banning gay marriage and abortion.

can we please ban the use of the word "emo".

[AdamTheBomb21]

Much respect to JT. I just got home from TJV show in Ames and they are also crushed by this Bayside stuff. I think we do need to start having a good outlook on life

[ra223]

I as well am not a fan of HH music. Infact i hate it there i sad it!!! But that being said, i respect these guys times 20. Insted of calling them attention whores really think about the situation, most of these labels are built like a family and obviously HH lost a family member today. They are NOT trying to promote how close they were with him, obviously the remaining bayside members are the ones closest. But in a time like this the guys in bayside are probably in complete utter shock i know i would be. They lost someone their drummer, their co-worker...their friend. Did you ever stop to think that it hurt to post what they've already posted today? Maybe they don't want to be sitting on the internet all day and whoring out their friends death but their in vain. So enter HH who is not whoring anything. Simply saying their respects for them, what a better way then to come on absolutepunk where they get mocked and people tell them how bad they suck and etc etc. They want to end the drama and certian people on this board would rather cause more drama and make a big deal of what it really is. Come on thats not stupid its just pathetic.
My thoughts go out to Bayside, they've had such a hard career already and they only released two albums on victory. Member Changes and now this, i hope they find the strength to go on.
RIP BEATZ you will be missed.

[ALucidDream]

This whole situation should really show everyone whats wrong with this "scene" but I doubt it will do just that. I used to be a huge fan of this type of music but for about the last 2 years keep slipping away more and more. From 4 shows a week, I hit a show maybe once every 4 months. Its not even more so the music than it is the fans and people attending these shows. I would put money on it, that more than half of you people have never even listened to the HH record, yet you hate them because everyone else around you does also. Do any of you have a mind of your own? This all used to be about everyone being united and people coming together, now its all about bring the person next to you down and that is complete bullshit. I have never listened to HH because I just never had the interest to do so, but what they are doing is something that many other bands would not do or have not done...many others would have went on with the tour and basically said "Oh well sucks for Bayside." Respect them for that. Respect them because they have the balls to go out and play music they like, unlike yourself that sits on a computer and talks shit. In my eyes every band has talent, if they just aren't my thing then thats that but they don't suck. People need to seriously wake up.

[forumreader]

Nothing about this situation really makes the guys from Hawthorne Heights good people. Them doing the right things for once doesn't make me respect them anymore. I enjoy Bayside and am saddened to hear the news, but nothing about that is going to make me like someone else more because of it. I'm extremely surprised that people are actually saying things like "I can't hate them anymore." Not that you need to hate the band, but my goodness, how ignorant.
Pot, meet kettle. Who are you to call anyone ignorant when little of your post makes sense? "Them doing the right thing for once /snip" What are you talking about? For once? They could have left the rest of Bayside at the last stop, said fuck it and continued on with the rest of the tour. Hawthorne Heights is at just a critical point in their careers as Bayside or anyone else, yet they get ripped for being selfish and for being good human beings. The whole point of this "scene" is to be a community. It is completely possible and plausible for someone to not like HH's music, but to see what they did today and are planning for the future and have respect for them. Have a little more faith in society.

[LPMagic]

There are two seperate issues: Hawthorne Heights as people and Hawthorne Heights as musicians.

As people, they're going above and beyond in remembering and honoring John. It's admirable and they have gained a lot of respect from a lot of people for what they've done, including me.

But as musicians, I don't understand how they can sell so well (especially with all of the bands out there playing the exact same / a similar type of music). I've read their lyrics, tried listening to their album multiple times, seen them live (well passed by their set at Warped), and it just seems like a joke. I'm a pretty open minded person when it comes to music, so it's not like they have to amaze me. Oh, and the background screams are horrible... I can't tell if it's just how they're recorded / produced or if it's the guy's voice. Anyways...

I'm not trying to bash the band, I'm really not. I just wanted to point out that there are two issues here, and the admirable acts they're doing don't deal with the music they make.

- Jeff

[unwritten]

Definitely some good guys and friends John had in these bands.

[moonlights]

While I'll probably never listen to HH's album, but my respect for the band has grown a lot. Bayside was one of my favorite bands and I'm so sad about this. Props to HH and to Silverstein and Aiden as well.
i echo all of this, though while bayside wasn't what i would call my favorite band, i did like them quite a bit, and i'm definitely more motivated to buy their new album now (which i was meaning to do eventually, but i think it will get done a lot sooner now)

[ShoeSh1ne]

hawthorne heights is not groundbreaking. we know that. bayside is.

Wow, just...wow.

[seancoia]

i dont like HH, but I will always respect them cuz they played a backyard show with crap bands to help a girl out with a deadly disease that I sadly cant even remember. Good guys in that band though.

[Saves The Night]

It highly bothers me that in that serious of a message he had time to put things like emo pussies.
yeah i felt the same way and i didnt think anyone was throwing hate in the light of what happened...i mean I know i havent, if anything ive gotten some respect for these guys.

[ChadisTHEChad]

i still have NO respect for these "emo pussies".

[silentcries]

respect

[Scott Weber]

I'm so sick of hearing everybody bash on HH, especially in the midst of this. I used to bash the music myself, months and months ago, but eh...they do what they do and kids eat it up, can you fault them? Considering the situation at hand today.... everyone has their opinions, but I really just don't feel like today is the day to share negative ones, especially if they're going to be about HH as people. For the record, literally every person/BAND i've ever talked to has said that HH are some of the nicest guys around.

[Anton Djamoos]

Good for him. There are bigger things than stupid feuds with websites.

[djUbilla]

Very cool of him.

[Jason Tate]

There are two seperate issues: Hawthorne Heights as people and Hawthorne Heights as musicians.

As people, they're going above and beyond in remembering and honoring John. It's admirable and they have gained a lot of respect from a lot of people for what they've done, including me.

But as musicians, I don't understand how they can sell so well (especially with all of the bands out there playing the exact same / a similar type of music). I've read their lyrics, tried listening to their album multiple times, seen them live (well passed by their set at Warped), and it just seems like a joke. I'm a pretty open minded person when it comes to music, so it's not like they have to amaze me. Oh, and the background screams are horrible... I can't tell if it's just how they're recorded / produced or if it's the guy's voice. Anyways...

I'm not trying to bash the band, I'm really not. I just wanted to point out that there are two issues here, and the admirable acts they're doing don't deal with the music they make.

- Jeff
Similar actually to something I wrote earlier today in my journal.
(http://www.absolutepunk.net/journal.php?do=showjournal&j=1)

[IChangedMyName]

I give him credit for posting all of that...

[avitabully]

HH are emo pussies

[goddamngourd]

People die all the time. Just because its a person in a band doesnt make their life more important and requires more publicity than anothers.
i love this argument.
obviously my life and the things i do totally effect at least as many people as a guy who's in a nationally known band. obviously millions will notice, might even care, if i died tomorrow. only idiots care about dead people they don't know personally. all those dead people are the same anyhow.

i don't know hh, i don't know the guy from bayside. i won't lose sleep over any of this. but anyone who will, is most likely a better person than me, and they have my respect.

[David Bendeth]

About three weeks ago John Holohan visited us in the studio in Hoboken New Jersey. Hawthorne Heights were hard at work on their new record and John came to hang out and show his support. He stayed most of the day and brought very good vibes with him,
You could tell by his demeanour he was a dedicated and positive human. When he came in the room the band embraced him as if he was in their band. The room lit up. I was impressed by the comraderie and I was certainly impressed by John who gave me a copy of the new Bayside CD and held it proudly in his hands. John left a very positive mark on me, I work with many musicians on a daily basis and I have been doing that for over thirty years. John was a great drummer, a great musician, and a great friend of many, he will be sorely missed. It seems its always the good ones that leave us so early.

Over the period of making this new HH record I got to know the people in the group, that happens when you work closely with people. As musicians they tried their best at all times, as people they were real. By that, I mean they had heart, they had pride and they had dedication to their craft. They are standup, the real deal. I cannot say that about everyone I have worked with, I am not just talking about music here, I am talking about compassion.

I have no agenda here, but after being shown this thread by a friend I felt I should add my two cents, I have been known to add three, I am a producer.
JT reached out to you today as a community to look inside your hearts for many things. Firstly to support Bayside and their families. All good communities do that in times of pain and heartache.This is that time.

JT reached out with an Olive branch, he said to forget the past and move forward with a moment of forgiveness and chance to try and console Bayside and their families. Knowing the rest of the guys in this group, they are all dedicated, hard workers as well. You do not meet many bands out there with that kind of heart. I am proud to know them and I am proud to have worked with them, but mostly I am humbled by their integrity. I urge you all to look to that place in your heart for any kind of forgiveness. I urge you to donate to Johns fund. He has left people that loved him dearly behind. This is your community, own it.
Life is short, we all know that, especially today.
embrace it.

David Bendeth

[Sureshot182]

as much as this band sucks, i've only heard great things about them as people. keep it up guys. :thumbsup:

[romantic rights]

so i just got home from the nintendo fusion tour, tired as hell, i open my e-mail and i see one from victory records saying "Bayside Drummer John Holohan Killed in Tragic Highway Accident, Memorial Fund Established"
and my exact words were "HOLY FUCK!!"
this is a sad time indeed, i truely wish this band the best, because they are one of the most amazing new bands out there

[Ancora]

So...yeah. I don't like HH at all. Their music is unoriginal, written poorly, and also quite cheesy at times. In fact, I dont know how they got the publicity they have today. However, as much as I would like to complain about his post, it was honestly all he could do about this situation at this particular time, especially if it ended a "feud" as well.....2 birds with one stone, to be cliche. Now he needs to man up and take initiative; do a benefit concert, sell some gear, or paint his balls for chairity or some shit. If this is all he intends to do, a paragraph with some empty emo "i love you" feelings, hes a big pussy and should be beaten down.....word

[Pat Marquez]

i love hawthorne heights.

[BrCalla2k!]

hawthorne heights really do prove to be the nice guys they've been described to be, thoughts are with the loved ones in need and I dont know how to express such condolences it was 2 weeks ago I met the cousin of anthony and we were talking about how great bayside was. This is such a tragedy and hawthorne should be admired for what seems to be their true sincerity in the manner. Again my heart is with the loved ones affected.

[number1alien]

I just gained a huge amount of respect for this band.

[Shoes]

I respect this post and I respect JT for saying this. Don't bitch just cause HH are mourning their friend, you'd be doing exactly the same so leave it alone.

[thesewalls]

The guys of HH are people too.. they have feelings and decided to publicly announce it. Big whoop. Stop complaining. Kudos to HH.

[elemenohpe]

:shake:

i knew people are going to disagree with me, so i stopped the potential argument there. people have been ripping on my opinion since i posted it, and i haven't said a word to them.

if i was after "the last word" or being "right" i would've continued explaining my opinion. i said all i needed to say and let people talk shit about how "dumb", "immature", and "pathetic" i am.

your sister must be a smart, levelheaded person if you're comparing her to me.

The guys of HH are people too.. they have feelings and decided to publicly announce it. Big whoop. Stop complaining. Kudos to HH.

holy edit, batman.

[Jacktheskipper]

Let`s remember what this is about: Someone he knew passed away! Holy shit, someone died and you`re all arguing about HH and if you like them or not or even the post being a buisness move ... are you crazy?!?? Could you all just stop for a minute, take a look inside and ask yourself how it would feel like if someone close to you would pass away ... I know it`s impossible unless you have been there yourself and I hope most of you haven`t ... but let me just tell you, it`s something that makes you question everything in your life ... so stop being stupid, this has been true words from the evry heart of someone, don`t give him shit for it, this isn`t about teenage drama and proving your scene status on a board this is about real live ... this is about real sadness and helping people to make it through hard times ... stop the shit!

[deadforweeks]

Let`s remember what this is about: Someone he knew passed away! Holy shit, someone died and you`re all arguing about HH and if you like them or not or even the post being a buisness move ... are you crazy?!?? Could you all just stop for a minute, take a look inside and ask yourself how it would feel like if someone close to you would pass away ... I know it`s impossible unless you have been there yourself and I hope most of you haven`t ... but let me just tell you, it`s something that makes you question everything in your life ... so stop being stupid, this has been true words from the evry heart of someone, don`t give him shit for it, this isn`t about teenage drama and proving your scene status on a board this is about real live ... this is about real sadness and helping people to make it through hard times ... stop the shit! I agree. And what he said about "emo pussies" was probably just him covering his back from all the shit you guys would give him. (Yeah, like the accusations of attention seeking).

[sean omerta]

surprising... charming? sweet?

...
sincere?

very interesting.

two eprops?

[exidol]

it does, however, change the fact that SOMEONE IS DEAD...

selfish asshole

think before you talk, this thread has nothing to do with thier music

Speaking of "thinking before you talk"...read you post over one more time. You should change your name to "NumberOneIdiot".

[_all_star_me_]

as much as you hate the band's music, they seem like pretty decent guys. give them a break.

[astarlighthreat]

hawthorne heights is not groundbreaking.

perfect... he finally admits it that

[gizmo6d9]

I may not like their music, but this is still a classy move. He may regret the whole pick thing and I'm glad that someone started the beginning of the end of the bitterness. (well at least for this) They're all great guys.

[heytheredelilah]

me either.. what a cool feature
ditto

[Goober Snacks]

Wow, I just gained alot of respect for these guys. And thats really sad that Bayside lost there drummer. I saw his last show.........wow

[we_love_it]

Honestly, I doubt anyone will even see this because I posted it long after the thread was started, but could it be so inconceivable that members of bands are actually people and are not simply "Hawthorne Heights." I have been reading some of the responses to this and my heart breaks because a family has lost a loved member; a dear friend has been lost;people are genuinely hurting and all everyone can do is talk about whether or not Hawthorne Heights is legit. I love music but I have to keep in mind there is much more to life than music and the "scene" and bands. I suggest that we all take a step back and reflect on the brevity of our lives and what is really important in the long run.

My heart goes out to the people who are hurting, regardless of whether or not I am a fan of their band.

[NationalProduct]

I think everyone will have their own opinion of this, maybe im an asshole, but i dont think HH needs to post on AP.net to get publicity. I think its a very mature statement to make. The pics in the trash thing is very mature if they are actually in the trash. This isnt fuckin hip hop, its rock n roll. It should be fun, and then everynow and then there should be a lil bullshit. Not all the time, but just to stir up some shit when it needs it. I know when im feeling something, my best way to get it out, is by writing, and sometimes, its done here on AP.net because there is that sense of community. I dont just come here for the news. I think its important to realize that it takes just as much to reach out and do what JT did, as it does to remain silent. So lets not lose sight of the fact that we have all lost, whether we knew him or not, a soul, a musician, a fellow human being and in life, when its gone its gone, and it doesnt come back. No need for the bullshit right now. Just living and moving forward.

[alexwohl29_90]

I could care less about them. They're saying exactly what you are expected to say when something like this happens. Dont bow down and worship them because they had the time to send something to a website, he must've done it in-between the tears since he said he was crying.

Bullshit. If he had something real to say, then say it. But dont send something that looks like a PR guy was helping him write it.

suck a fat cock you piece of shit

I think everyone will have their own opinion of this, maybe im an asshole, but i dont think HH needs to post on AP.net to get publicity. I think its a very mature statement to make. The pics in the trash thing is very mature if they are actually in the trash. This isnt fuckin hip hop, its rock n roll. It should be fun, and then everynow and then there should be a lil bullshit. Not all the time, but just to stir up some shit when it needs it. I know when im feeling something, my best way to get it out, is by writing, and sometimes, its done here on AP.net because there is that sense of community. I dont just come here for the news. I think its important to realize that it takes just as much to reach out and do what JT did, as it does to remain silent. So lets not lose sight of the fact that we have all lost, whether we knew him or not, a soul, a musician, a fellow human being and in life, when its gone its gone, and it doesnt come back. No need for the bullshit right now. Just living and moving forward.
its smart to post on AP.net because MANY people on here either

A. don't go to MTV.com
B. don't go to HH.com
C. don't go to bayside.net
D. don't go to victory records.com
E. wouldn't normally give a shit, but they read this site.

[starcrossdlovex]

I have a huge amount of respect for these guys. I'm just not a huge fan of their music.
But I have no doubt that they're all great guys. & all that they're doing to help is amazing

"hawthorne heights is not groundbreaking. we know that. bayside is."
That part got me.

[heartcoreclothi]

JT reached out with an Olive branch, he said to forget the past and move forward with a moment of forgiveness and chance to try and console Bayside and their families. Knowing the rest of the guys in this group, they are all dedicated, hard workers as well. You do not meet many bands out there with that kind of heart. I am proud to know them and I am proud to have worked with them, but mostly I am humbled by their integrity. I urge you all to look to that place in your heart for any kind of forgiveness. I urge you to donate to Johns fund. He has left people that loved him dearly behind. This is your community, own it.
Life is short, we all know that, especially today.
embrace it.

David Bendeth

I second that. <3