The N-E-T-S, New Jersey's Best

[Anton Djamoos]

Got screwed over tonight big time. Damn refs.

[justinevans]

i hate the nets...soon to be brooklyn's best.

[xearlynovemberx]

i hate the nets...soon to be brooklyn's best.
yep

[b e L I E v e]

I am probably the biggest Nets fan in New Jersey...yeah, I would bet on that...so its pretty safe to assume I almost broke my TV last night watching the ENTIRE NETS GAME...

First of all...that game proves that Vince Carter is one of the best, if not the best, big playmaker in the NBA...that dunk over Zo was probably one of the top ten that I have seen...along with the clutch three and clutch fade away...simply amazing

And yeah, the got screwed over..

[brodudeman123]

I don't like the Nets, but Vince was fucking sick last night.

[xearlynovemberx]

I am probably the biggest Nets fan in New Jersey...yeah, I would bet on that...so its pretty safe to assume I almost broke my TV last night watching the ENTIRE NETS GAME...

First of all...that game proves that Vince Carter is one of the best, if not the best, big playmaker in the NBA...that dunk over Zo was probably one of the top ten that I have seen...along with the clutch three and clutch fade away...simply amazing

And yeah, the got screwed over..
soon enough he will break both his legs and demand a trade

[Anton Djamoos]

I am probably the biggest Nets fan in New Jersey...yeah, I would bet on that...so its pretty safe to assume I almost broke my TV last night watching the ENTIRE NETS GAME...

First of all...that game proves that Vince Carter is one of the best, if not the best, big playmaker in the NBA...that dunk over Zo was probably one of the top ten that I have seen...along with the clutch three and clutch fade away...simply amazing

And yeah, the got screwed over..
I promise you my roommate is a bigger Nets fan than you are.

But anyways, Carter really impressed me in that game. If anyone has had doubts about how he'll do this season, just watch that game. Zowned.

[Caleb Cattivera]

cry cry cry. always blaming it on someone else other than the team who lost. the nets have a damn good team...r jeff is suprsing the shit out of me. but you nets fans just wait, carter will be out mid season, at a time when you really need him. if he stays healthy...the nets could be alright. and of course you have kidd...but until the nets can find a better big than collins or krstic....they'll be exiting the first round of the playoffs.

[Goodbye Forever]

First of all...that game proves that Vince Carter is one of the best, if not the best, big playmaker in the NBA...that dunk over Zo was probably one of the top ten that I have seen...along with the clutch three and clutch fade away...simply amazing.

Wait until the playoffs when you don't even notice he's on the court, and then try and say that.

[getupkid53]

I am probably the biggest Nets fan in New Jersey...yeah, I would bet on that...so its pretty safe to assume I almost broke my TV last night watching the ENTIRE NETS GAME...
I feel ya bra... If I had to watch an ENTIRE NETS GAME I'd probably try to break my TV too.

[xearlynovemberx]

I feel ya bra... If I had to watch an ENTIRE NETS GAME I'd probably try to break my TV too.
HAHAHA :thumbsup:

Wait until the playoffs when you don't even notice he's on the court, and then try and say that.
u said it

[b e L I E v e]

I feel ya bra... If I had to watch an ENTIRE NETS GAME I'd probably try to break my TV too.
you look good in negatives ;)

Wait until the playoffs when you don't even notice he's on the court, and then try and say that.
i'll take that bet...depending on if the Nets play vs Miami or not in the first round, VC could be the suprise of the season...so stop going back to the Raptor days...everyone knows/knew the sucked back then, and bringing one man (Carter) to their team was never going to help them...now that he has supporting players, he can make bigger plays, have bigger games

[Goodbye Forever]

you look good in negatives ;)


i'll take that bet...depending on if the Nets play vs Miami or not in the first round, VC could be the suprise of the season...so stop going back to the Raptor days...everyone knows/knew the sucked back then, and bringing one man (Carter) to their team was never going to help them...now that he has supporting players, he can make bigger plays, have bigger games

Tracy McGrady wasn't a good supporting player? By the way they played in the playoffs, you'd think Vince was the one supporting him.

Hitting a big shot in the first week of the season in a game they LOST to a team without their All-World center does not make Vince Carter a big game player.

[Scott Weber]

I am probably the biggest Nets fan in New Jersey...yeah, I would bet on that...so its pretty safe to assume I almost broke my TV last night watching the ENTIRE NETS GAME...

First of all...that game proves that Vince Carter is one of the best, if not the best, big playmaker in the NBA...that dunk over Zo was probably one of the top ten that I have seen...along with the clutch three and clutch fade away...simply amazing

And yeah, the got screwed over..
Vince Carter, now THERE's an overrated player. Huge leap, huge plays, no leadership, selfish by nature.

[xearlynovemberx]

toronto use to be so good way back in the day when they had camby stoudamire mcgrady carter

[Scott Weber]

toronto use to be so good way back in the day when they had camby stoudamire mcgrady carter
clearly you don't define "good" by playoff wins?

[xearlynovemberx]

clearly you don't define "good" by playoff wins?
touche

[Scott Weber]

touche
that was an exciting team to watch at least :)

[Caleb Cattivera]

toronto use to be so good way back in the day when they had camby stoudamire mcgrady carter

yeah but the four of those guys were never on the raps at one time. camby, damon and mcgrady spent half a season together. damon was traded to portland in 98. then in 99 when carter came in, camby was traded to the knicks, leaving just carter and mcgrady. nonetheless tmac and carter were exciting for a couple of seasons...

[b e L I E v e]

Vince Carter, now THERE's an overrated player. Huge leap, huge plays, no leadership, selfish by nature.

Overrated?

The guy has averaged 24 points throughout his career...make that 26 if you want to include the playoffs..he's a six time draft selection...Won rookie of the year...got chosen for the US National team...won the slam dunk contest...if all that is overrated...let me know, because i must be missing the point

Okay, so he had Tmac back in Toronto...so what?...yeah, Tmac is amazing, he's probably my favorite player in the NBA, so you know i am not being biased in saying that Tmac+Carter does not equal a championship...

Selfish by nature? Give me an example...

[getupkid53]

career min.. 38 pg
career asst. 3.9 pg

That equals out to about one dish a quarter. And you know Carter demands the ball in any situation. Career 44% shooter. Averaging almost 4 turnovers a game this year (which means he's trying to handle the ball to much). If he wants to play point guard, he should have more assists. If he wants to play SF he shouldn't be averaging 2.5 turnovers a game for his career. He's a highlight reel, that's all. A decent NBA player that will never see a ring until he stops spelling team with an I. I enjoy watching him, but you know he is a guy that puts self above team.

[b e L I E v e]

career min.. 38 pg
career asst. 3.9 pg

That equals out to about one dish a quarter. And you know Carter demands the ball in any situation. Career 44% shooter. Averaging almost 4 turnovers a game this year (which means he's trying to handle the ball to much). If he wants to play point guard, he should have more assists. If he wants to play SF he shouldn't be averaging 2.5 turnovers a game for his career. He's a highlight reel, that's all. A decent NBA player that will never see a ring until he stops spelling team with an I. I enjoy watching him, but you know he is a guy that puts self above team.

give me one situation he did that with NJ

[getupkid53]

Look at his stats, I don't follow the nets so i can't be specific. As for the US national team, did you watch all those egotistical ball hogs collapse on themselves? That could be one example, I guess. Take a guy with a huge ego and a craving for having the rock and put him around a bunch of other ball hogs and you have the US national team, ehem... the bronze medal US national team. Just look at all the dilemma's he had on the raptors. Research it, and then tell me Vince Carter is a leader.

[Scott Weber]

Overrated?

The guy has averaged 24 points throughout his career...make that 26 if you want to include the playoffs..he's a six time draft selection...Won rookie of the year...got chosen for the US National team...won the slam dunk contest...if all that is overrated...let me know, because i must be missing the point

Okay, so he had Tmac back in Toronto...so what?...yeah, Tmac is amazing, he's probably my favorite player in the NBA, so you know i am not being biased in saying that Tmac+Carter does not equal a championship...

Selfish by nature? Give me an example...
Sigh, do we really have to do this again? You know who else won all those honors? Dominique Wilkins. Vince is a pure scorer, he is flashy, he's exciting, but he doesn't distribute the ball to his teammates and he doesn't win games. Vince has never taken a team on his back and led them through the playoffs, unlike real superstars have done in the past. Like I believe somebody mentioned, he averaged 3.9 assists per game during his career - shit, Lebron averaged over 7 a game last year with more boards, playing the same posistion. You know what Vince's career FG% is? .448. That' s some poor shot selection right there. Not just one year, but his whole career. Ok, now reading down this post I think getupkid53 has pretty much said all I'm going to say....you're wrong, again.

You can't backtrack your argument and just yeah "oh yeah well what about NJ" because he's only been in Jersey for under a year. (and by the way, this year he's averaging only 3.3 assists a game and he's shooting 4.5 threes a game for a nice .278 percentage. Real selfless, vince.

[Caleb Cattivera]

Sigh, do we really have to do this again? You know who else won all those honors? Dominique Wilkins. Vince is a pure scorer, he is flashy, he's exciting, but he doesn't distribute the ball to his teammates and he doesn't win games. Vince has never taken a team on his back and led them through the playoffs, unlike real superstars have done in the past. Like I believe somebody mentioned, he averaged 3.9 assists per game during his career - shit, Lebron averaged over 7 a game last year with more boards, playing the same posistion. You know what Vince's career FG% is? .448. That' s some poor shot selection right there. Not just one year, but his whole career. Ok, now reading down this post I think getupkid53 has pretty much said all I'm going to say....you're wrong, again.

You can't backtrack your argument and just yeah "oh yeah well what about NJ" because he's only been in Jersey for under a year. (and by the way, this year he's averaging only 3.3 assists a game and he's shooting 4.5 threes a game for a nice .278 percentage. Real selfless, vince.

pwned.

[Drew Beringer]

pwned.

Pwned is what the Pacers will be doing to the Heat tonight ;)

[b e L I E v e]

Sigh, do we really have to do this again? You know who else won all those honors? Dominique Wilkins. Vince is a pure scorer, he is flashy, he's exciting, but he doesn't distribute the ball to his teammates and he doesn't win games. Vince has never taken a team on his back and led them through the playoffs, unlike real superstars have done in the past. Like I believe somebody mentioned, he averaged 3.9 assists per game during his career - shit, Lebron averaged over 7 a game last year with more boards, playing the same posistion. You know what Vince's career FG% is? .448. That' s some poor shot selection right there. Not just one year, but his whole career. Ok, now reading down this post I think getupkid53 has pretty much said all I'm going to say....you're wrong, again.

You can't backtrack your argument and just yeah "oh yeah well what about NJ" because he's only been in Jersey for under a year. (and by the way, this year he's averaging only 3.3 assists a game and he's shooting 4.5 threes a game for a nice .278 percentage. Real selfless, vince.

He isnt carrying a team in NJ...that is what I am trying to insist here...Sure, he may have been a tad bit selfish in Toronto..but now he doesn't have the whole team on his back...he's got a veteran player in Jason Kidd and a young gun in R Jefferson that mold right around him to keep him in line..and on task..

So the point is...by himself, Vince Carter is great, but not the greatest...but with a team like he has assembled around him in New Jersey...he has the chance to step up his game, at the same time letting the other two superstar Nets do their thing

[Anton Djamoos]

He isnt carrying a team in NJ...that is what I am trying to insist here...Sure, he may have been a tad bit selfish in Toronto..but now he doesn't have the whole team on his back...he's got a veteran player in Jason Kidd and a young gun in R Jefferson that mold right around him to keep him in line..and on task..

So the point is...by himself, Vince Carter is great, but not the greatest...but with a team like he has assembled around him in New Jersey...he has the chance to step up his game, at the same time letting the other two superstar Nets do their thing
Sadly, Scott, you are wrong and beLIEve is right.

Vince Carter has a new role in NJ and has grown into it very well. Forget what you know about him because he's different than he was in Toronto. He's not a leader on the team because that's JKidd's job. He has been very good on this team and to judge him by his past is not the best move because he is a completely different player now.

Overrated in his past but now he's blossoming into a great player...finally.

[Scott Weber]

Sadly, Scott, you are wrong and beLIEve is right.

Vince Carter has a new role in NJ and has grown into it very well. Forget what you know about him because he's different than he was in Toronto. He's not a leader on the team because that's JKidd's job. He has been very good on this team and to judge him by his past is not the best move because he is a completely different player now.

Overrated in his past but now he's blossoming into a great player...finally.
No, I'm not - you have to pay attention to the ENTIRE ARGUMENT. Believe does this with every statement, don't fall for his bullshit. Go back and read his original posts - he's turned this argument into New Jersey only, which is not what it was inititally about. You're arguing my entire point, that he was overrated in the past - Like I said, he's been in NJ for under a year, so now you're going to completely turn on your previous opinions and proclaim him a superstar? Too hasty, my friend. I can safely say that Vince has not proven himself as not overrated, he hasn't had time to.

You know another overrated player who else had an amazing year once he was traded? VIN BAKER. The guy was a stud on the Sonics, and he wasn't a leader, behind Gary Payton. Look at where he is now...don't count your chickens too quickly. I'll agree that he's much, much better now, but don't even make this into a thread about the last 10 months...

[xearlynovemberx]

Pwned is what the Pacers will be doing to the Heat tonight ;)

basically any team can beat a shaqless team

well except the nets haha

[getupkid53]

Vince Carter will always be a very decent player. This NJ team is not built around him though. It's built around Kidd and Jefferson. Carter is just a bonus shooter. He is being a great ROLE PLAYER right now, but he isn't even the superstar of the team. (The greats were ALWAYS the superstar on the team.. look at Jordan, Chamberlain, James, Bird, Johnson). The Nets would give Carter up instead of JKidd, or Jefferson in a heartbeat. He's 3rd fiddle on that team. You need to realize what he is on that team.... a role player. And like Scott said, his assists and 3pt. % are even lower than normal. It's not so much that Vince Carter is any better, he is just on a much better team. I can never consider Vince Carter great because of what he did in Toronto. He's not a leader and never will be. He is a scoring role player.

In conclusion, an NBA legend Vince Carter is not. An integral role on a possible championchip team... only time will tell.

[Scott Weber]

It's not so much that Vince Carter is any better, he is just on a much better team. I can never consider Vince Carter great because of what he did in Toronto. He's not a leader and never will be. He is a scoring role player.

In conclusion, an NBA legend Vince Carter is not. An integral role on a possible championchip team... only time will tell.
Boom.

[Anton Djamoos]

No, I'm not - you have to pay attention to the ENTIRE ARGUMENT. Believe does this with every statement, don't fall for his bullshit. Go back and read his original posts - he's turned this argument into New Jersey only, which is not what it was inititally about. You're arguing my entire point, that he was overrated in the past - Like I said, he's been in NJ for under a year, so now you're going to completely turn on your previous opinions and proclaim him a superstar? Too hasty, my friend. I can safely say that Vince has not proven himself as not overrated, he hasn't had time to.

You know another overrated player who else had an amazing year once he was traded? VIN BAKER. The guy was a stud on the Sonics, and he wasn't a leader, behind Gary Payton. Look at where he is now...don't count your chickens too quickly. I'll agree that he's much, much better now, but don't even make this into a thread about the last 10 months...
All I'm saying is that right now he is not overrated. Everyone calls him overrated, but if everyone's calling him overrated, who's overrating him? No one. And that's why he's not overrated.

He's not overrated because everyone says he's overrated basically. If that even makes sense.

Anyways, you're right overall it's just that now I think that he's a much better player than a lot of people will give him credit for.

[b e L I E v e]

All I'm saying is that right now he is not overrated. Everyone calls him overrated, but if everyone's calling him overrated, who's overrating him? No one. And that's why he's not overrated.

He's not overrated because everyone says he's overrated basically. If that even makes sense.

Anyways, you're right overall it's just that now I think that he's a much better player than a lot of people will give him credit for.

I live in new jersey...and I know where you are coming from...I here more from other players around the league than I do about Vince Carter ever since he came to New Jersey...so actaully...in his short time with New Jersey...I think people should be looking more seriously at the guy...yeah, he's underrated ever since he came to the Nets...but thats not the point...the point is...no matter what people THINK of him...he still gets the job done night in and night out...

[Caleb Cattivera]

I live in new jersey...and I know where you are coming from...I here more from other players around the league than I do about Vince Carter ever since he came to New Jersey...so actaully...in his short time with New Jersey...I think people should be looking more seriously at the guy...yeah, he's underrated ever since he came to the Nets...but thats not the point...the point is...no matter what people THINK of him...he still gets the job done night in and night out...

if his job is to score then he's doing a good job...now, getting your team into the playoffs, and getting them somewhere is a differrent story. the raps made a few playoff appearances but they also had antonio davis holding down the middle, which wouldn't have been possible without him. vc's a good role player...but he's not a superstart like alot of people make him out to be. i dont think vince carter will be a HOF'er(just adding that in there)

[b e L I E v e]

if his job is to score then he's doing a good job...now, getting your team into the playoffs, and getting them somewhere is a differrent story. the raps made a few playoff appearances but they also had antonio davis holding down the middle, which wouldn't have been possible without him. vc's a good role player...but he's not a superstart like alot of people make him out to be. i dont think vince carter will be a HOF'er(just adding that in there)

If he gets a title under his belt...guarenteed HOF...if not, its a toss up

And yes, his job IS to put points on the board...J Kidd takes care of the assits..no arguing that..and he also takes care of the boards, as does jefferson, for the most part

[Goodbye Forever]

If Dominique Wilkins isn't a Hall Of Famer, then there is no way that Vince Carter is.

[Caleb Cattivera]

found some stuff that i thought was kinda funny...apparently scott and i arent the only ones who think carter's overrated.

http://espn.go.com/page2/s/list/mostoverrated.html

http://espn.go.com/page2/s/overrated/bracket/finalfour.html scroll to athletes and coaches


found this funny.

[Scott Weber]

found some stuff that i thought was kinda funny...apparently scott and i arent the only ones who think carter's overrated.

http://espn.go.com/page2/s/list/mostoverrated.html

http://espn.go.com/page2/s/overrated/bracket/finalfour.html scroll to athletes and coaches


found this funny.
haha, that is amazing.