Cute Is What We Aim For Lose Manager

[Frank Giaramita]

Cute Is What We Aim For (www.purevolume.com/cuteiswhatweaimfor) have released their manager Brandon Davis. His statement can be read below.

Before reading this, please note that my intent is not to offend anyone. This is an issue which I feel very strongly about and I feel the need for this to be made public.

For the past eight months I have managed the band "Cute Is What We Aim For". For those of you wondering what this included for a drive-lacking band like this, I did everything from help generate the initial hype and promotion of the band (how most of you began to hear of them), setting up and booking their first tour (and second), setting up recording with a multi-platinum producer, basically every business (and non-business) related issue that involved the band, leading to their eventual signing to a very well known label.

After all of this, the band decided it was time to release me, a decision which came after myself and the band saw differently on a very minor and insignificant situation in which I wanted to practice good business ethics (and they did not). We had a show booked on tour. Last minute, the band wanted to play with friends of theirs in the same market the day before, which would hurt the original promoter's show and be very unfair to him. I discouraged the band from doing so, as I wanted to deal with the situation as fairly and logically as possible. After a few days of talking, the band decided that they would show disregard for everyone else's opinions and poof, the next day I get my release papers from the bands lawyer (who I hired earlier).

I never asked for or received a penny from the band. It was never about the money, but love for my job, the industry, and the people I worked with (which included the band until recently). In fact, in my time with the band I ended up loaning them a considerable amount of money to help pay for recordings.

It is with great displeasure and shock I write this. I did not expect this or see this coming at all. Though I have already moved on, it is apparent the band has not, as other bands I am working with have been getting harassed by Cute Is What We Aim For.

My intent is not to ruin the band, because I believe they create great music, but rather to show you the true character of the guys. I have unfortunately learned the hard way to be careful who I trust, even if they are your closest friends or clients.

I have truly felt privileged to work with some of the people that I have during the past few months. Thought I am no longer managing the band, my "open door" policy remains. I am ALWAYS willing to chat. Whether it be to a fan or the owner of a record label, I am always open to talking. If anyone has any questions or comments, please feel free to e-mail me at: bidavis@tmail.com

Brandon Davis

[shane hennessey]

talk about stupid on cute's part

[FourStarters]

Cute Is What We Aim For (http://www.purevolume.com/cuteiswhatweaimfor)

Who?

All kidding aside, Brandon seems like the kind of guy most clubs would LOVE to deal with instead of having to put up with band members only out for their own interests and egos. It's common sense that you don't play back to back shows in the same areas. Why split your fans between two shows when you can sell out one show and play in front of a packed house...then again, it seems this band has never done the latter.

[FondestMemory]

he has to be a good manager to convince people to like this band.

imagine what he could do with a good band.

[shane hennessey]

he has to be a good manager to convince people to like this band.

imagine what he could do with a good band.
true. i didnt much care for this band and i hope they get whats coming by doing something rediculous like this

[CalamityRecords]

brandon was a super nice guy and i can't believe this has happened. No offence but from what i've heard this band is a bunch of dicks. I am interested to see what label signed them though. I wish Brandon the best of luck in the future and know he will have a great career.

it's also sad that i hear about several manger's stories where they have lent bands lots of money and they never see it again. even if they were 100% sure they will. It has happened with several bands that readers of this site will know.

[ThisCutIsDeep]

Boo for Gay is What We Aim for.

[electricpatrick]

doesnt quite make sense, why did he write this to point out the band has bad ethics if he doesnt want to offend anyone or hurt the band?

not saying he is wrong to wwrite this, i would probably make a statement like this if it happened to me, but saying that makes him seem like a hypocrite...i dont know...he says he doesnt want to do something then does it...why not just say he aims to show people a side of the band that they probably wouldnt otherwise?

[Stereo Therapy]

i dont really know this manager but he seems like as good as you can get and if this band cant appreciate what they have, then fuck them. i wish brandon the best of luck in his future endeavors.

[HolyCrapola]

doesnt quite make sense, why did he write this to point out the band has bad ethics if he doesnt want to offend anyone or hurt the band?

not saying he is wrong to wwrite this, i would probably make a statement like this if it happened to me, but saying that makes him seem like a hypocrite...i dont know...he says he doesnt want to do something then does it...why not just say he aims to show people a side of the band that they probably wouldnt otherwise?
You didn't read carefully. He said it's not his "intent"... which means, he's not trying to hurt the band and that hurting tje band isn't his priority, but if he does, he does.

[resUrectMe617]

thats fucking ridiculous. personally, i didn't see anything really big happening for CIWWAF, but the fact that their manager (good friend of mine) was so dedicated and hard working, it wouldn't have surprised me to see them get a lot of hype and eventually get signed (which they did). for the band to abandon (for absolutely stupid reasons) the person behind, the person responsible for all the recognition they've gotten in such a short time..... i don't know, i can't find the words for it. good luck to brandon, he'll definitely go on to do something in the industry. as for the band.. haha, good luck cause i dont know what you're going to do without him.

[LPMagic]

Every side has two stories, so I call CIWWAF to the stand: give us your side and explain why in God's name you would release a manager who, if he did all the things he said he did above, deserves much more than that.

- Jeff

[Stereo Therapy]

doesnt quite make sense, why did he write this to point out the band has bad ethics if he doesnt want to offend anyone or hurt the band?

not saying he is wrong to wwrite this, i would probably make a statement like this if it happened to me, but saying that makes him seem like a hypocrite...i dont know...he says he doesnt want to do something then does it...why not just say he aims to show people a side of the band that they probably wouldnt otherwise?

i think all he did was give a really literal explanation of what happened. hes not "trying" to ruin the band and i dont think this will since the band probably will hide the whole situation away... all hes trying to do isexpose what they did to him. bad people can make good bands and good people can make bad bands. this doesnt have to do with the bands music, just their character. i dont know if that makes sense outside of my head


HALLA! my towns on trading spouses right now. peace.

[derricklc22]

You didn't read carefully. He said it's not his "intent"... which means, he's not trying to hurt the band and that hurting tje band isn't his priority, but if he does, he does.
I dont know both sides but from this one side Cute sure look like a bunch of a-holes.

[HolyCrapola]

This dude seriously worked his ass off... and I thought this whole time he was getting paid $$ for it, teh fact that he wasn't makes me understand his frustration even more. Brandon is the MAIN REASON why this band is signed, and why they've been able to tour. He has done EVERYTHING for them...

[Jason Tate]

This band's career just went down like the Hindenburg.

[Saleen]

Who did these chuckleheads sign with?

Who is the multiplatinum producer?

Who hired the chucklehead that signed these chuckleheads?

[Mitch]

Every side has two stories, so I call CIWWAF to the stand: give us your side and explain why in God's name you would release a manager who, if he did all the things he said he did above, deserves much more than that.

- Jeff

I dunno man, for some reason this guys words sound honest...And usually I call bullshit and one-sided on most things like this.

[HollywoodAbalze]

for some reason my brother likes this band... to me they sound generic and the singer sound slike a baltant rip off of jordan from nfg

[TitoThePoolBoy]

who fires a manager that you aren't even paying? that's fucked up.

[aminorthreat55]

I feel bad for this guy. It sucks giving a lot of time and energy to something you believe in to only expect happiness and respect in return and then get thrown out with the trash. That sucks for him. And talk about a bad move for the band.

[aminorthreat55]

This band's career just went down like the Hindenburg.
Basically.

[djUbilla]

Brandon is most definitely the man. He's the nicest guy; it sucks this happened to him. Nevertheless, I know good things happen to good, smart people, so I can't wait to hear from him again. In the end, I think it sucks worse for CIWWAF.

[albatrossxivy]

drama

[ben pequeno]

this band came kinda out of nowhere...going from like 3k plays on pv to like 400k all in a 5 months span, someone is doing something right.

[discoyears]

guess what? shit happens. deal with it.

[Greg Dona]

Every side has two stories, so I call CIWWAF to the stand: give us your side and explain why in God's name you would release a manager who, if he did all the things he said he did above, deserves much more than that.

- Jeff
You beat me to it.

[Greg]

in celebration we should post who they signed with

[Jason Tate]

guess what? shit happens. deal with it.
Is this not his way of "dealing" with it?

[Scott Irvine]

singer sound slike a baltant rip off of jordan from nfg

What the fuck? No he doesn't. If New Found Glory is the extent of you're comparison, then you know jack.

[FourStarters]

Off topic, but having the reputation on each post open in a new window is getting a big boo-urns from me.

[ben pequeno]

Off topic, but having the reputation on each post open in a new window is getting a big boo-urns from me.
get mozilla and start using tabs.

[FourStarters]

get mozilla and start using tabs.
I'm a Firefox user, but still, it was better when it popped up as a little tiny box instead of a big page full of wasted space.

[losethegirl]

This band's career just went down like the Hindenburg.

That quote is why I fucking love Jason Tate!


Onto the situation. I know who Cute Is What We Aim For got signed too because I am friends with the manager of another Buffalo band. It is a big deal and a lot of people are going to be shocked.

After seeing the band live I can say that they are talented, they put on a really really good show. Shaant's voice is on point, they've got energy, the new guitarist Chris is a great addition. As for off stage. I feel like seperately they are good guys (or at least Fred, Jeff, and Chris seem to be), but when you get them all together things maybe go down hill. After the last show I saw them at we hung with several members of Socratic and This Day & Age, but the Cute guys seemed very cliquey and high schoolish standing outside in their little group. It gave me a bad vibe. Honestly I kind of predicted them getting a bad reputation about 2 weeks ago and they're already on their way which sucks. They have SO much potential.

[LPMagic]

I dunno man, for some reason this guys words sound honest...And usually I call bullshit and one-sided on most things like this.
My post doesn't have anything to do with the honesty or sincerity of the manager's words. All I'm saying is that every side has 2 stories and I've heard 1 of them. You have to look at issues like this as a journalist and get the whole story. Personally, do I believe everything the manager is saying? Yes. That's part of the reason I would love to hear what the band would say in their defense. Would it be a "well, uhh, I, I, umm" sort of deal? Would it be a "he's only telling you his side" response? Would they admit to doing those things and just say they needed to sever ties with a man they don't get along with? I think in this instance, they owe it to not only the fans, but the manager himself.

- Jeff

[Rohan Kohli]

I heard the singer of CIWWAF dicked over his old band.

[ben pequeno]

That quote is why I fucking love Jason Tate!


Onto the situation. I know who Cute Is What We Aim For got signed too because I am friends with the manager of another Buffalo band. It is a big deal and a lot of people are going to be shocked.

After seeing the band live I can say that they are talented, they put on a really really good show. Shaant's voice is on point, they've got energy, the new guitarist Chris is a great addition. As for off stage. I feel like seperately they are good guys (or at least Fred, Jeff, and Chris seem to be), but when you get them all together things maybe go down hill. After the last show I saw them at we hung with several members of Socratic and This Day & Age, but the Cute guys seemed very cliquey and high schoolish standing outside in their little group. It gave me a bad vibe. Honestly I kind of predicted them getting a bad reputation about 2 weeks ago and they're already on their way which sucks. They have SO much potential.

drive-thru?

[losethegirl]

drive-thru?


No.... but good guess.

[losethegirl]

I heard the singer of CIWWAF dicked over his old band.



Cherry Bing? hahaha Yeah.

[ben pequeno]

Cheery Bing? hahaha Yeah.

i wish you would tell us how and who they are getting signed to =)

[hubbabubbal3ts]

i've only heard of this band, never taken a listen. now that i know this about them, i definantly don't respect them, so therefore i will not listen to them.

[resUrectMe617]

their signing really surprised me. i don't think they (the band themselves) deserve it. fucking A, brandon deserves to be signed to this label himself. not CIWWAF.

[matddors]

They may be jerks, but I still love their music.

[losethegirl]

i wish you would tell us how and who they are getting signed to =)


I don't feel right putting it out on the messageboard since it was said to me in trust, but it is a big Indie label. Only so many of those. Just think about it.

[starcrossdlovex]

Brandon worked soo hard. You're right, he is basically the reason people know who CIWWAF are.
This sucks.

[fedhed7]

i've always liked these guys, but this little event has given me a new perspective. a band that can't follow the basic rules of business ethics has no right to make music at all.

[Scott Weber]

i wish you would tell us how and who they are getting signed to =)
Doesn't everybody already know this? That's freaking weird.. I thought it was announced like 5 months ago. I'll keep my mouth shut so I don't get in trouble with any big wigs, but that's interesting.

[tambo41187]

I heard the singer of CIWWAF dicked over his old band.
You would be correct sir.

Although for everyone in the Buffalo area cherry bing is having a reunion show with their original singer...should be a good time.

[ghostyouare]

hahahahaha he got fired by the bands laywers whom he hired.

[xcorruptpunkx]

Doesn't everybody already know this? That's freaking weird.. I thought it was announced like 5 months ago. I'll keep my mouth shut so I don't get in trouble with any big wigs, but that's interesting.

sneaky...

[ghostyouare]

what the hell is FB?

[deadandgone]

So I'm assuming that the rumor a while back about signing to FBR isn't true?

[losethegirl]

You would be correct sir.

Although for everyone in the Buffalo area cherry bing is having a reunion show with their original singer...should be a good time.


Yeah I heard about that. I guess they called Brian Kline form Believe In You about doing it too, but he felt weird since he was only in the band a couple weeks.

[ben pequeno]

Doesn't everybody already know this? That's freaking weird.. I thought it was announced like 5 months ago. I'll keep my mouth shut so I don't get in trouble with any big wigs, but that's interesting.
nice... ; )

[tambo41187]

Yeah I heard about that. I guess they called Brian Kline form Believe In You about doing it too, but he felt weird since he was only in the band a couple weeks.
Yeah i dont know all the details or anything but i hope they do it around Thanksgiving so im home for it.

[losethegirl]

Yeah i dont know all the details or anything but i hope they do it around Thanksgiving so im home for it.


Or maybe winter break. Thanksgiving is so close.

[Pat Marquez]

What a shame I now have no reason to stick up for this band. Both don and brandon are no longer apart of cute.

Well hear brandons name plenty in the future.. Ask him how many emails he has gotten today from kids asking him to manage there band

[oh_megan]

Yeah i dont know all the details or anything but i hope they do it around Thanksgiving so im home for it.

It's November 26th as far as I know. I also heard that Jeff would be singing. Maybe they did they get Mikey to though.

[OveriseFan]

I wanna know why Don's out of the band.

[birdman]

first off, anyone that refers to a city as a "market" is a tool. Second, I love it when a band/manager feels the need to make a "statement" involving a situation that none of us would have known about otherwise. Especially when said band is a band that are a one shot pop punk band that no one will care about in a year. Its kind of like when we hear about some shitty local band breaking up. As if anyone gives a shit about some band they have never heard of breaking up. "Hey guys, I know we have only played 14 shows and the only people that show up to them are our parents, but seeing as we are parting ways we really need to announce it to all 7 of our loyal fans on ap.net, I think the people need to know what happened"


I dont know im just rambling.

[AreTwoKay]

Damn that was a dumb move on there part.

[UndertheTELE]

Please don't judge this book by it's cover. I'm very good friends with these guys and i've know them literally all my life. I'm just saying before you judge them COMPLETELY, listen to their side of the story. After you hear what they have to say, if you still don't think they're great guys, then make your judgements, but please just hold off untill you hear their side of the story.

[Brandon Allin]

I believe I was the first AP staff member to ever make a post about these guys, and I only did so (they're obviously not a ska band, whom are the bands I was hired to work with) because Brandon was such a kind, understanding guy. This seems like such a ridiculous, cruel move to make. Who knows if there's another side to the story or not, but one thing is for sure: Brandon worked his ass off for that band, and this is no way to go out.

[BeerNSluts]

I don't feel right putting it out on the messageboard since it was said to me in trust, but it is a big Indie label. Only so many of those. Just think about it.

It's not that big of a secret. Quite a few people know.

[BigbOYALA]

I can guarantee there is another side to this story. The letter makes Cute out to be dicks, and anyone who knows them knows that they are quite clearly not. Until we hear something from Cute, no one should be passing any judgement.
Oh, for it not being his intent, he did a pretty good job of hurting the band's image.

[Midnight Aria]

I can guarantee there is another side to this story. The letter makes Cute out to be dicks, and anyone who knows them knows that they are quite clearly not. Until we hear something from Cute, no one should be passing any judgement.
Oh, for it not being his intent, he did a pretty good job of hurting the band's image.


They why haven't we heard anything? Come on boys, stick up for yourselves you pussies!! Yea.... as stated 1000 times already, Brandon did so great, and obviously, he networked himself very well, so, good luck to him in the future

[rewindthistime]

wowwww.

It's November 26th as far as I know. I also heard that Jeff would be singing. Maybe they did they get Mikey to though.
yesss nov 26. at showplace. i think something like $8. not sure who's singing, though

[Big_Guy]

this band sucks really hard

....and their name is the worst name of any band ever

[Toast&Bananas]

This is a horror story. What doesn't kill you only makes you stronger. I'm sure this guy can go on and do some amazing things with a band who is talented, hardworking and won't fuck him around.

[XxDrumsxX]

This is pretty messed up. I haven't liked this band since the very first post here on ap. I don't think they have talent at all, regardless of their age. It looks like a huge dick move, after all I read about Brandon being an awesome guy/manager and basically getting this band to where they are now. Thats just immature, picking friends over a show they already decided to play. Let hope this band goes nowhere fast, which is what they deserve.

[KidDisaster2113]

I haven't read through every post but I'm sure someone else must have mentioned the fact that this was probably single handledely the singer's fault.

[Boring Pop Song]

well if brandon needs anyone new to work with. i don't think i'm too bad of a guy. and i've been workin my arse off

[aminorthreat55]

first off, anyone that refers to a city as a "market" is a tool.
Or rather isn't ignorant to the business world. A fundamental inescapable part of the society we live in. Good call there genius.

[Get Fucked]

I can guarantee there is another side to this story. The letter makes Cute out to be dicks, and anyone who knows them knows that they are quite clearly not. Until we hear something from Cute, no one should be passing any judgement.
Oh, for it not being his intent, he did a pretty good job of hurting the band's image.
No way! This story has two sides everyone!

[MTC]

just another reason why you should always cover you ass in the music industry, even when loaning money, get a signed and dated iou on a napkin or something.

[ishotthepilot]

doesnt quite make sense, why did he write this to point out the band has bad ethics if he doesnt want to offend anyone or hurt the band?

not saying he is wrong to wwrite this, i would probably make a statement like this if it happened to me, but saying that makes him seem like a hypocrite...i dont know...he says he doesnt want to do something then does it...why not just say he aims to show people a side of the band that they probably wouldnt otherwise?


it's a warning to others not to dirty their feet, i guess.
if they don't release some kind of statement i'd have to go with believing the worst, since i never thought that well of them anyway..

[rewindthistime]

I haven't read through every post but I'm sure someone else must have mentioned the fact that this was probably single handledely the singer's fault.
hahahaha nobody said that flat out, it was more of a given i think.

[thecovertcareer]

Why must the truth be banned?

[audiolove]

i'm going to keep my CIWWAF comments to myself.
yup.

best of luck to brandon! :)

[charly horse]

This kind of makes me sad. Cute is what we aim for was one of my favorite bands. Seriously though, I don't like dickheads. I'll still listen to them though. But, I don't know.

[xThursdayxPTWx]

When I was at the Rocket Summer show in Buffalo...the lead singer (tool) ws in the crowd making fun of Bryce yes....who he opened for...being in the music business is about making good music, but then there's that word business, if you don't practice good business ethics you're either going to fall apart or the smart people will see you for who you are...complete pricks like them.

[xThursdayxPTWx]

This kind of makes me sad. Cute is what we aim for was one of my favorite bands. Seriously though, I don't like dickheads. I'll still listen to them though. But, I don't know.

Yuck I thought the only people that liked them were from around my area....it seems the disease has spread..possibly worse than nu-metal..you decide

[soruined]

i as a manager would never loan my money to a band. a band and their manager's relationship is like a friendship, and we all know lending money can lead to problems.

[discoyears]

I heard the singer of CIWWAF dicked over his old band.

probably

[discoyears]

i as a manager would never loan my money to a band. a band and their manager's relationship is like a friendship, and we all know lending money can lead to problems.

a friendship huh?

[ishotthepilot]

first off, anyone that refers to a city as a "market" is a tool.

or, a businessperson.

[VitalJ]

By the band even playing that 2nd show because its a friends band is unprofessional and should of just sucked it up and only played the one show. I actually have talked to him(ex manager) and he is a very professional and nice guy

[matt_rawlings]

I think this band is about as original as an episode of desperate housewives

[DeadPoetic]

I think this band is about as original as an episode of desperate housewives

That's a crap analogy, because Desperate Housewives owns.

I don't know anything about this band. In fact, I have only just heard of them. So either I've been living in a hole for the past however many years, or they just weren't that good to begin with.

[birdman]

Or rather isn't ignorant to the business world. A fundamental inescapable part of the society we live in. Good call there genius.

or, a businessperson.

I wouldnt call the manager of some stupid pop punk band that no one has ever heard of a powerful business entity. I also wouldn't call airing the dirty laundry on ap.net after you get fired as a respectable way to practice good business ettiquette. His statement alone proves that he should not be taken seriously in the business world. I know a lot of you love the fact that you get to hear what happened, but in reality we shouldnt know any of this. I dont care if he felt the need to tell his side of the story. Not too many people give a shit when a band fires their manager.

To conclude, to call this guy a respectable business man is retarded. And if you refer to a city as a market, you still piss me off.

[New]

He couldn't have been that good of a manager if he let them slide with a band name like that...

[robhimself]

he sounds like an awesome guy but all i have to say is KARMA..... they'll get whats coming to them if this is how it went down.

[UndertheTELE]

he sounds like an awesome guy but all i have to say is KARMA..... they'll get whats coming to them if this is how it went down.

what is this based on? What sounds awesome of him?

[vegasbabyvegas]

I wouldnt call the manager of some stupid pop punk band that no one has ever heard of a powerful business entity. I also wouldn't call airing the dirty laundry on ap.net after you get fired as a respectable way to practice good business ettiquette. His statement alone proves that he should not be taken seriously in the business world. I know a lot of you love the fact that you get to hear what happened, but in reality we shouldnt know any of this. I dont care if he felt the need to tell his side of the story. Not too many people give a shit when a band fires their manager.

To conclude, to call this guy a respectable business man is retarded. And if you refer to a city as a market, you still piss me off.

Agreed. Bands fire managers everyday but you don't see those managers making a huge stink and damaging the bands image. Things don't always work out, get over it and go help all your other bands rather than taking a stab at the one that decided to move on with out you.

[UndertheTELE]

Agreed. Bands fire managers everyday but you don't see those managers making a huge stink and damaging the bands image. Things don't always work out, get over it and go help all your other bands rather than taking a stab at the one that decided to move on with out you.

This is true. No professional manager would make a whinny post like this to tell everyone he got fired. No PROFESSIONAL manager would do that. Brandon isn't a manager, he doesn't manage any other bands, nor has he ever.

[Scott Weber]

That's a crap analogy, because Desperate Housewives owns.

I don't know anything about this band. In fact, I have only just heard of them. So either I've been living in a hole for the past however many years, or they just weren't that good to begin with.
Haha yes, Desperate Housewives is awesome, and it's definitely more creative than the O.C.

[UndertheTELE]

refer to my above post for my feelings on this. according to his statement he manages more bands, and for cute to bother them is totally out of line and unprofessional of Cute Is What We Aim For. So according to your logic, CIWWAF is the unprofessional party.

Yes your right, according to his statement he does, but according to reality he doesn't. I wish you could know both sides of the story before you judged.

[UndertheTELE]

I do know both sides of the story. I am from the area (sort of), and though I dont goto very many shows of that type (pop punk scene), I know alot about the situation. I know most of Buffalo hates Cute, and Brandon is a really nice guy. I actually spoke to him last night after reading this and he does infact manage another aritst whom the band harassed (and admitted to harassing). Bottom line is they are bad people and honestly dont deserve to have a record deal. This is only one of the many situations i've heard of them doing bad things.

I've also heard that they stole alot of their songs from Shaant's ex-band, Cherrybing. I dont know the full story on that so I wont say alot, but I know that his old band wrote alot of that music which Cute uses.

Wait a second. You're the one who decides if a band deserves a record deal? Oh man, you must be an important guy. Thanks for a paragraph of hearsay, full of no real information

[KidDisaster2113]

I do know both sides of the story. I am from the area (sort of), and though I dont goto very many shows of that type (pop punk scene), I know alot about the situation. I know most of Buffalo hates Cute, and Brandon is a really nice guy. I actually spoke to him last night after reading this and he does infact manage another aritst whom the band harassed (and admitted to harassing). Bottom line is they are bad people and honestly dont deserve to have a record deal. This is only one of the many situations i've heard of them doing bad things.

I've also heard that they stole alot of their songs from Shaant's ex-band, Cherrybing. I dont know the full story on that so I wont say alot, but I know that his old band wrote alot of that music which Cute uses.

Cute uses a lot of music they didn't write. Literally and figuratively.

[Mike101]

Cute uses a lot of music they didn't write. Literally and figuratively.

If anyone knows more about the Cherrybing situation, I am actually interested...

[losethegirl]

Man this whole situation is so crazy. My bottom line is that Cute is good at what they do. Anyone who is going to say they don't have talent is stupid. Even if you don't like the genre from a clearly musical perspective these guys are damn good and they bring it live. I know other kids in Buffalo bands who may not even be big fans of the guys as people, but are still fans of the band.

The Rocket Summer show they didn't seem to have the best etiquette at. I saw them a week later at the Saosin show just watching and Jeff was friendly as hell to one of my friends he ended up talking to accidentally. I mean really it all depends on the situation. The sound like dicks right now, but knowing these kids they will put their side of the story out soon enough and I for one am interested to hear it.

[KidDisaster2113]

To Refute is what I aim for...

1. "Cute is good at what they do" - What is it that they "do"? Are you referring to their ability to swoon 13 year old girls?
2. "Anyone who says they don't have talent is stupid" - Hmmm...is that so...well I am not stupid AND I say they don't have talent. Take a serious listen to their music. It is NOT good, bad lyrics, bad drumming, bad song writing (the writing they did themselves anyway).
3. My personal favorite "They bring it live" IF anyone else has seen them live, you gotta back me up on this. They are SLOPPY. They think they are SO good that they can just slur through songs like TBS and people will still kiss their feet. Hey, they are not TBS. They are an over-rated Buffalo band with false hype and shitty attitudes.

[cheeruptheEmo]

thats not right...

[robhimself]

what is this based on? What sounds awesome of him?

did you read his message? what doesn't make him sound like a nice guy?

[southline]

Brandon is a geniune nice guy, if you know him, you cannot in any way deny that.

BUT until the guys in the band release a statement, you cant argue 100% one way or the other.

on a side note, Buffalo, NY loves drama... and myspace

[theROUSE]

meh..., i never liked their shit anyway..., im already over it

[audiolove]

on a side note, Buffalo, NY loves drama... and myspace

the Buffalo music scene sure does love drama.
i'm so glad i'm away from it for most of the year...
i never knew what happened to just liking and supporting music...

[birdman]

I just dont understand why these guys have to justify firing their manager. Why does anyone here care so much? The band doesn't owe anyone shit as far as this is concerned, it was their decision.

[UndertheTELE]

I just dont understand why these guys have to justify firing their manager. Why does anyone here care so much? The band doesn't owe anyone shit as far as this is concerned, it was their decision.

This is true. Bands fire managers all the time, but the managers don't often "retaliate" like this fellow did. Maybe it's because he has no mangerial history.

[eviper15]

Now first off if he wants to go say this shit than he can. But he better have a very good reason to do so. Now i talked to them about it and apparently he has been doing things that he shouldnt be, that on his part, are not very professional. If they want to get rid of him, they obviously have good reasons. Brandon has done alot for them, so they have thier reasons, we just dont know them. Maybe they dont want to get into the drama on ap.net. Just think that maybe he did some stuff for this to happen to him. Dont cute bash right off the bat without knowing anything about the situation and hearing a one sided story. Of course brandon is pissed, i would be too, but there were reasons for why it happened.

[xcarlupanddiex]

"have your manager call my manager and we'll make records together"

[UndertheTELE]

Yeah obviously this didn't come out of left field. They had a reason for firing brandon. If you just wait to hear their side of the story you may change your minds.


p.s. nice sig evan.

[eviper15]

i obviously know who you are, but who are you?

[Troy will Fall]

brandon seems like a nice guy, but i agree there is always 2 sides to every story...

[I.O]

I dont know anyone in the band personaly, but when theyplayed the continental in nyc, they all seemed like cool kids, and they played a good set. The music wasnt anything special, but it was fun. I honestly could care less with personal stuff between members and management. Im sure if we knew everyhting that goes down between bands and managers, we would think of bands differently.

[UndertheTELE]

i obviously know who you are, but who are you?


Cory from ITOL. :thumbsup:

[HolyCrapola]

This is true. Bands fire managers all the time, but the managers don't often "retaliate" like this fellow did. Maybe it's because he has no mangerial history.

Bands "fire managers" who they've been PAYING to do their jobs. The fact that Brandon was doing what he was doing for free, just to get shafted when his work paid off is what seperates his situation from 99% of the managers out there, and gives him reason to retaliate. Besides, the way in which he was fired was totally unprofessional, and the fact that they called Brandon's other band (and him) harassing him and pranking him is just 100% wrong. Piece of advice to bands: If you're going to fire a manager who was doing the amount of that Brandon was for free... don't treat him like shit, at least give him the courtesy of a civil conversation. It's one thing for Brandon to do the work for free, it's one thing for him to get fired while doing the work for free, and it's one thing for him to get fired in the manner he was, while doing the work for free... CIWWAF have a lot of fucking learning to do.

[HolyCrapola]

Yeah obviously this didn't come out of left field.
Earlier this week, Brandon was telling me how much work he put into their tours and how excited he was for their future...


You tell me how that indicates a firing that "didn't come out of left field".

[UndertheTELE]

Earlier this week, Brandon was telling me how much work he put into their tours and how excited he was for their future...


You tell me how that indicates a firing that "didn't come out of left field".

Well clearly HE did something to deserve it. Do you honestly think the cute guys were sitting around going "hey hey, this might be funny, lets just fire brandon! he'd flip!" No, he did something wrong, which i'm not going to say because it's not my band.

And if Brandon wasn't getting paid, then maybe he never was really their manager?

[HolyCrapola]

Well clearly HE did something to deserve it. Do you honestly think the cute guys were sitting around going "hey hey, this might be funny, lets just fire brandon! he'd flip!" No, he did something wrong, which i'm not going to say because it's not my band.

And if Brandon wasn't getting paid, then maybe he never was really their manager?
"He clearly did something to deserve it"

I'd like you to tell me, what makes it so "clear"? Have you ever heard of someone(s) being influenced from an outside source? Say, a lawyer, a label owner, an agent, etc convincing a band to fire their manager because they have personally driven intentions in mind? It actually happens a lot in the music industry and in this situation, would be incredibly fucked up... maybe you should look into it.

[swirlofhues]

:shake: how unapperciative they sound.

[Nibbling Goat]

And if Brandon wasn't getting paid, then maybe he never was really their manager?

Maybe that's why their site says:

Management
Brandon Davis
manager@cuteiswhatweaimfor.com

Your argument seems to be that no-one is ever a dick to someone else for no reason. I envy you if you've managed to get this far through life without encountering that phenomenon.

[eviper15]

alright thats a damn good post

[UndertheTELE]

"He clearly did something to deserve it"

I'd like you to tell me, what makes it so "clear"? Have you ever heard of someone(s) being influenced from an outside source? Say, a lawyer, a label owner, an agent, etc convincing a band to fire their manager because they have personally driven intentions in mind? It actually happens a lot in the music industry and in this situation, would be incredibly fucked up... maybe you should look into it.

OOOO well in that case Cute had nothing to do with it. Now everyone could be mad at their lawyer and label rather than being mad at the band. Good point, i'm glad you see it my way. My arguement was that you shouldn't just blame the band without knowning what went on, now we have reasonable doubt to believe that this had anything to do with Cute.

[UndertheTELE]

Maybe that's why their site says:

Management
Brandon Davis
manager@cuteiswhatweaimfor.com

Your argument seems to be that no-one is ever a dick to someone else for no reason. I envy you if you've managed to get this far through life without encountering that phenomenon.

i was being sarcastic dude.

[TitoThePoolBoy]

if i were to guess who they got signed to i'd say militia group.

[HolyCrapola]

OOOO well in that case Cute had nothing to do with it. Now everyone could be mad at their lawyer and label rather than being mad at the band. Good point, i'm glad you see it my way. My arguement was that you shouldn't just blame the band without knowning what went on, now we have reasonable doubt to believe that this had anything to do with Cute.
Are you THAT dense? Do you know what the word "influencing" means? The band MAKES the decisions, it doesn't mean an outside source didn't INFLUENCE their decision. That's the bottom line. A Lawyer does not fire a manager, a band does, regardless of any circumstances.

Have you heard of the Tony Brummel/Larry Mazer situation?

Tony Brummel at Victory Records told Spitalfield to fire their manager and agent (Larry Mazer and Nick Storch) or else they wouldn't receive funding for their new record.... the band did. Although they were influenced by Tony, Spitalfield are still the ones to point the finger at because they're the ones that made the ultimate decision to do it.

Although Cute could've been influenced by an outside source, it doesn't mean the blame lies on someone else's head by, any means. Why don't you learn what the hell you're talking about before you make these comments?

[UndertheTELE]

Yes your right! but you've just given us one more reason to not believe everything brandon says. All these outside sources are telling them to fire a manager so they do it, maybe they didn't want to, in fact, maybe they were pressured into it. Sucks for brandon i'm sure but maybe he just wasn't doing his job.

[HolyCrapola]

Yes your right! but you've just given us one more reason to not believe everything brandon says. All these outside sources are telling them to fire a manager so they do it, maybe they didn't want to. Sucks for brandon i'm sure but maybe he just wasn't doing his job.
If they "didn't want to" they wouldn't have, and if they REALLY didn't want to, they wouldn't have prank called him after they did it...

There's a million fucking things to take into consideration. Look at the label they signed to. 90% of the bands on this label are managed by Crush, what makes you think someone at this label didn't influence the band to fire their manager to go with Crush? Bottom line is, no matter what the situation is, CIWWAF did it (right after he booked them a tour), and on top of that, prank called Brandon and the other band he's managing... now they're paying the price for being ass holes about it and burning bridges. A young band like that should not be burning bridges, they should be networking and acting professional. End of story.

If they would've emailed/called Brandon and said..."Hey Brandon, we love you, but we just think it's time that we move on, sorry dude. Thank you so much for everything, we owe you so much. Best of luck dude"... it would be a MUCH different story.

[darkesthour]

how many of you who posted actually live in buffalo?

this band is shit to buffalo.
the most cocky guys ever.
worst ego.

shaant thinks he's so hot. guys he's super greasy.

they are the biggest joke in buffalo.

[UndertheTELE]

You just contradicted yourself. You said "What makes you think someone at this label didn't influence the band to fire their manager to go with Crush?" and then you said in the NEXT sentence "no matter what the situation is, CIWWAF did it"

Firstly i do agree, they were probably influenced by their record label to drop a manager that wasn't being paid and had no managerial experiance to get a highly qualified manager.

Secondly, your right, cute cut the cord because it's their band. But if your record label, that supports you and is releasing your music pressures you into doing it then you do it WHETHER YOU LIKE IT OR NOT. Brandon THREATENED to do precisely what he did here on absolute punk as soon as he got fired. End of story.

[likepaperplanes]

Firstly, I don;t understand why people are talking about their talent. I don't understand why how good thier music is even playing a part in this. Whether or not you think they are talented is completely your own opinion. It's not really somehting to go back and forth about or something that is going to effect the situation.

And there has to be two sides. The band may have not clarified their side yet just to avoid causing more drama. I think it was totally unessecary for Brendan to post this As other people have said, bands fire managers all the time, and they usually don't announce it to everyone like his guy did.

And just because they fired their manager, who's to say they didn't appreciate the work he did for them? Brendan did do a lot for the band, but for this to happen, there was clearly a disagreement somewhere along the way. We need to wait untill we hear their side of the story. I don't understand how somone can go say these guys are total dicks and completely unappreciative without knowning both sides.

[darkesthour]

they really aren't a good band at all.

brandon defitaly is a great kid. & did not deserve what he got.

he worked so hard to promote these guys.

and like someone said it really is the shaant.
he's a fucking prick nowadays...he was much nicer in cherry bing, oh wait he fucked them over too.

[HolyCrapola]

You just contradicted yourself. You said "What makes you think someone at this label didn't influence the band to fire their manager to go with Crush?" and then you said in the NEXT sentence "no matter what the situation is, CIWWAF did it"

Firstly i do agree, they were probably influenced by their record label to drop a manager that wasn't being paid and had no managerial experiance to get a highly qualified manager.

Secondly, your right, cute cut the cord because it's their band. But if your record label, that supports you and is releasing your music pressures you into doing it then you do it WHETHER YOU LIKE IT OR NOT. Brandon THREATENED to do precisely what he did here on absolute punk as soon as he got fired. End of story.
You're making yourself look even more like an idiot than you did previously. From the looks of it, you don't understand what the word "influencing" means. The band is to blame, they pull the triggers, they appoint the people who work for them and they are in control of who is in touch with their band, and who isn't. Nobody at this label can pull a trigger on CIWWAF's manager, like they can. No matter what the situation, CIWWAF are to blame, bc THEY ARE THE ONES WHO DICKED BRANDON OVER...not the label, not the lawyer, not anybody, and although these parties may have influenced the band, they definetly didn't pull teh trigger... and this is obvious because CIWWAF had the nerve to prank call Brandon afterwards. It looks like they need to learn the hard way now. They already lost a clothing sponsership, and a website like this supporting them.

P.S.-- "Brandon trheatened to do what he did on here when he got fired"... what did he "do on here" that was so horrible? He spoke his feelings and never insulted them once... he was 100% professional and civil about it... they should be THANKFUL he was, especially after rubbing it in his face over the phone.

[UndertheTELE]

You're making yourself look even more like an idiot than you did previously. From the looks of it, you don't understand what the word "influencing" means. The band is to blame, they pull the triggers, they appoint the people who work for them and they are in control of who is in touch with their band, and who isn't. Nobody at this label can pull a trigger on CIWWAF's manager, like they can. No matter what the situation, CIWWAF are to blame, bc THEY ARE THE ONES WHO DICKED BRANDON OVER...not the label, not the lawyer, not anybody... and this is obvious because they had the nerve to prank call him afterwards.


no dude, im actually quite sure you're the one who is unsure what the word influencing means. You've contradicted yourself over and over and YOU are the one who is sounding foolish. You've already proven my point and i don't feel i have to argue with you any longer on a message board. If you'd like to IM me feel free.

[HolyCrapola]

And just because they fired their manager, who's to say they didn't appreciate the work he did for them?

Because they prank called him, acting like dicks and rubbing it in his face that he was fired. They also called the other band he manages and harassed them as well. If this your idea of "appreciation", something is wrong.

[HolyCrapola]

no dude, im actually quite sure you're the one who is unsure what the word influencing means. You've contradicted yourself over and over and YOU are the one who is sounding foolish. You've already proven my point and i don't feel i have to argue with you any longer on a message board. If you'd like to IM me feel free.

I never contradicted myself once in this conversation. Regardless of any situation that you can come up with, CIWWAF are to put the finger at.

[muzicbiz00]

Well I have read all of the posts, boring friday, and I have come up with this conclusion/statement. I think Brandon was shafted. There are also other bands out there that are getting big that are shafting their managers before or right after they sign to labels to get a bigger manager. I know a couple of them. It is very sad nowadays the type and talent that is being signed these days. Did u know that I heard that The Click Five did not write their songs? I also heard of some other up and coming groups that don't write their songs.

There are so many majorly talented unsigned groups and A&R's flock to the shittiest music. I don't understand it and many need to get their head put on straight. Oh well, I am a A&R consultant and I hope the new generation of A&R know what they are doing but it sort of looks like they are worse! I think the music industry is slowly falling into nothingness. Soon there will be only 2 record labels. I see firings of thousands of people by the end of next year in the music industry.

But back to the Brandon situation. No manager should put money into a band and no manager should book bands (booking agent's position). Sorry brandon for you loosing all of your money but I don't see CIWWAF going very far and I definately don't see them going platinum!

[vegasbabyvegas]

Bands "fire managers" who they've been PAYING to do their jobs. The fact that Brandon was doing what he was doing for free, just to get shafted when his work paid off is what seperates his situation from 99% of the managers out there, and gives him reason to retaliate. Besides, the way in which he was fired was totally unprofessional, and the fact that they called Brandon's other band (and him) harassing him and pranking him is just 100% wrong. Piece of advice to bands: If you're going to fire a manager who was doing the amount of that Brandon was for free... don't treat him like shit, at least give him the courtesy of a civil conversation. It's one thing for Brandon to do the work for free, it's one thing for him to get fired while doing the work for free, and it's one thing for him to get fired in the manner he was, while doing the work for free... CIWWAF have a lot of fucking learning to do.

Well, a lot of Managers work for free, especially when the band has nothing to profit on yet. The band has no releases and very few pieces of merch. A lot more goes into a management position than getting a band signed and expecting a big pay off. 10-20% of nothing, is still nothing.

[Johnatthedisco]

he has to be a good manager to convince people to like this band.

imagine what he could do with a good band.
I know this comment was made in the begining of the thread, but this dude hit it so dead on. I love you man. cute sucks

[Johnatthedisco]

Well I have read all of the posts, boring friday, and I have come up with this conclusion/statement. I think Brandon was shafted. There are also other bands out there that are getting big that are shafting their managers before or right after they sign to labels to get a bigger manager. I know a couple of them. It is very sad nowadays the type and talent that is being signed these days. Did u know that I heard that The Click Five did not write their songs? I also heard of some other up and coming groups that don't write their songs.

There are so many majorly talented unsigned groups and A&R's flock to the shittiest music. I don't understand it and many need to get their head put on straight. Oh well, I am a A&R consultant and I hope the new generation of A&R know what they are doing but it sort of looks like they are worse! I think the music industry is slowly falling into nothingness. Soon there will be only 2 record labels. I see firings of thousands of people by the end of next year in the music industry.

But back to the Brandon situation. No manager should put money into a band and no manager should book bands (booking agent's position). Sorry brandon for you loosing all of your money but I don't see CIWWAF going very far and I definately don't see them going platinum!
Yea, dude its common knowledge you can see in the credits good charllotte didn't even write their last few hits. and the click five didn't write their hits either but it doesn't matter cause their not selling shit anyway.

[BigbOYALA]

ANYONE WHO SAYS THAT ANY OF THE GUYS IN CUTE ARE DICKS HAS NEVER MET THEM.
Shaant may come off as a prick to some, but he really is a cool guy. Just because you saw him say something, or heard through the grapevine how he "screwed" Cherrybing, does not mean it's so.
As for the Cherrybing thing, there's far more to it than you, I, or anyone but the ones in Cherrybing know. To the best of my knowledge, Cute only has one song that they "stole" from Cherrybing, and it's not even on PV anymore. Not to mention it's not really stealing....half of Cute used to be in Cherrybing, and the song was written by that half.
And anyone who is from Buffalo and says these guys suck, you can shut the fuck up right now. They're going farther than you ever will musically, so I'd keep your mouth shut about talent. You might not like Kenny G, but you can't deny he's more successful than most of us will ever be. They are talented, their songs might not allow for alot of improvisation, or be a display of their range of talents, but I can guarantee you all the current members are as talented as most artists their age.

Edit: This is also NOBODY's business. Despite what he says, Brandon is clearly doing his best to damage the band's image. It was his mistake to make them friends, not business partners, and then try to carry on a business-like relationship.

[HolyCrapola]

Well, a lot of Managers work for free, especially when the band has nothing to profit on yet. The band has no releases and very few pieces of merch. A lot more goes into a management position than getting a band signed and expecting a big pay off. 10-20% of nothing, is still nothing.
The fact that he was shafted in the manner he was shafted in, right after they signed, and right after he would start making some $$ for the work he put in is what bothers me. Like I said earlier, if the band would've done what they did in a civil fashion, this wouldn't be an issue. But being unprofessional, unappreciative and burning bridges with a dude who got the band signed, booked their tours, got them a clothing sponsership last week, put them in the studio with a huge producer, marketed them to websites like this, etc. is 100% inexcusable. At least give him the courtesy of civil conversation... that would be the least they could do.

P.S.--Prank calls don't fall into the "civil conversation" category.

[ForeverInADay]

whoa that seems kind of shitty, brandon seems like the kind of manager/friend anyone would want to have. He's nothing but the nicest of guys.

But, every side, two stories blah blah.

[ForeverInADay]

And anyone who is from Buffalo and says these guys suck, you can shut the fuck up right now. They're going farther than you ever will musically, so I'd keep your mouth shut about talent.
I hope someone from like Thrice or Thursday or another kick ass band is reading this right now hahaha

[ben pequeno]

The fact that he was shafted in the manner he was shafted in, right after they signed, and right after he would start making some $$ for the work he put in is what bothers me. Like I said earlier, if the band would've done what they did in a civil fashion, this wouldn't be an issue. But being unprofessional, unappreciative and burning bridges with a dude who got the band signed, booked their tours, got them a clothing sponsership last week, put them in the studio with a huge producer, marketed them to websites like this, etc. is 100% inexcusable. At least give him the courtesy of civil conversation... that would be the least they could do.

P.S.--Prank calls don't fall into the "civil conversation" category.

they prank phone called him after they fired him?

[BigbOYALA]

I hope someone from like Thrice or Thursday or another kick ass band is reading this right now hahaha
Thrice and Thursday are from Buffalo? That's news to me.

[MESTUPSH0W0FF]

Yeah, these are all valid arguments. I'm sure Brandon will do well, and this band will fade; it just stinks that people air their dirty laundry like this.

[tpasmall]

And anyone who is from Buffalo and says these guys suck, you can shut the fuck up right now. They're going farther than you ever will musically, so I'd keep your mouth shut about talent.


So what you're saying is Cute is the most talented band in Buffalo?

Are you sure you're from Buffalo? Because that is probably the most retarded thing I've ever heard. Of the up-and-coming bands, Damiera, Sleepaway and Believe In You all show alot more potential than Cute does, not only in their music, but in their own drive to be good bands.

And the Goo Goo Dolls are from Buffalo, and Cute will never be the Goo Goo Dolls.

[gobicamel]

So what you're saying is Cute is the most talented band in Buffalo?

Are you sure you're from Buffalo? Because that is probably the most retarded thing I've ever heard. Of the up-and-coming bands, Damiera, Sleepaway and Believe In You all show alot more potential than Cute does, not only in their music, but in their own drive to be good bands.

And the Goo Goo Dolls are from Buffalo, and Cute will never be the Goo Goo Dolls.
Absolutely. I love Damiera!

[Salomonbz90]

Too bad noone in the band will ever be cool as he is..you fucking rockkkk dude. I hope you go bigger and better like you deserve.
PS-I know who's signing....but thats b/w us haha

[BigbOYALA]

So what you're saying is Cute is the most talented band in Buffalo?

Are you sure you're from Buffalo? Because that is probably the most retarded thing I've ever heard. Of the up-and-coming bands, Damiera, Sleepaway and Believe In You all show alot more potential than Cute does, not only in their music, but in their own drive to be good bands.

And the Goo Goo Dolls are from Buffalo, and Cute will never be the Goo Goo Dolls.
I never mentioned talent buddy, I simply said they will go farther. That certainly seems to be the case, regardless of who the most talented band in Buffalo is(I will agree with you that Believe In You and Sleepaway are "better", I haven't given Damiera much of a listen).

[ForeverInADay]

Thrice and Thursday are from Buffalo? That's news to me.
no, you said that CIWWAF are going further musically then any of us and i said i hope a huge band LIKE thrice or thursday or any other big band (i never said anyone was from buffalo), so yeah.

[BigbOYALA]

no, you said that CIWWAF are going further musically then any of us and i said i hope a huge band LIKE thrice or thursday or any other big band (i never said anyone was from buffalo), so yeah.
Go back and look at your post, and then read what you quoted.
Reading comprehension is your friend.

[bandman32]

i made this account just to share a story about cute with you.

A friend of mine from school, who owns and runs Tanglewood Productions, had cute booked to record a song before their tour. Not only did he schedule them on a hard day, he said they could record without paying, as long as they promoted tanglewood productions.

Cute ditched them the first time they had a date set, and rescheduled

Cute ditched them the second time.

this not only outraged Matt, it outraged everyone that he told, including myself, because i gave up a day of my time to help him out.

[fearthesloths]

if the band had good reasons to fire this dude then why aren't they on here defending their asses. Clearly their collective images are getting shit flung at them, i'd be on here telling everyone the good reasons i had for doing something that seems so lame.

and you people who sit there are are all like, "oh if only you knew the truth" well then someone tell us the damn truth. Untill then, these guys stay in my bad books.

[clintdaddy]

your, you're, there, their

learn the correct usages of these words

[UndertheTELE]

if the band had good reasons to fire this dude then why aren't they on here defending their asses. Clearly their collective images are getting shit flung at them, i'd be on here telling everyone the good reasons i had for doing something that seems so lame.

and you people who sit there are are all like, "oh if only you knew the truth" well then someone tell us the damn truth. Untill then, these guys stay in my bad books.

They could come on here and argue with everyone and make everything worse, or they could just sit at home and not cause more drama. They've choosen to do the latter, i guess it's their band policy.

[MattTGC]

not cool...Brandon is a pretty rad dude...I hate when bands dick people over and treat people like shit. :madfire:

[losethegirl]

The only response I have seen from the Cute guys was Fred saying "There is 2 sides to every story."

Being from the Buffalo area and going to shows up there all the time, I am going to agree with the fact that I thin Believe In You and Sleepaway are amazing and deserve a lot more attention. Honestly, the most talented live band in the scene right now in my eyes is Standard of Living. I am seeing them again Saturday in Alden.

Cute is good, but I would peg SoL or BIY to go the farthest.

[rewindthistime]

sooo basically this thread is just an extension of afterdark. gross.

yeah, there's a lot of good buffalo bands that should get more attention. standard of living, speakerfire, sleepaway, believe in you, sleeping kings of iona, i could go on

Brandon is a geniune nice guy, if you know him, you cannot in any way deny that.

BUT until the guys in the band release a statement, you cant argue 100% one way or the other.

on a side note, Buffalo, NY loves drama... and myspace
pretty much best thing i have ever seen posted anywhere on ap.net. and that last part is so true it's sick.